http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-killing-pcie-slots/
Sounds like nvidia trying to hard to diminish the ass rape they got from the 480. Being 15w above the naximum is totally ok. Their 750 ti could get even 60w and nothing happened. Typical nvidia and their shady tactics.
>>55357957
Uh huh, sure. Strange that nobody has actually posted any evidence of this happening yet, just random reports from Definetly A Legit AMD Fan Guys Look At My FX Avatar posters on forums.
>wccftech
Fuck you AMD. You were our only hope to save us from Nvidia EVIL schemes and you can't help but repeatedly punch yourself in the dick like always.
FUCK YOU!!!
THERE ARE TWO GPU COMPANIES AND ONE IS EVIL AND THE OTHER IS RETARDED FUCKKK
>>55358277
>Tom's hardware
>Literally the maximum nvidia jews
>>55358140
15watts. Errr yeah try a bit more.
http://videocardz.com/61667/what-reviewers-say-about-radeon-rx-480-exceeding-pci-express-power-specifications
If the 750ti pulling 125 watts over pcie didn't kill it then the 480 pulling 85 watts wouldnt.
>>55358140
>480rx
>low overclocking, very poor efficient vs the nvidia cards, poor performance, draw too much power, the cf leak was biased, 1060 is faster and more efficiency
>Sounds like nvidia trying to hard to diminish the ass rape they got from the 480
>>55358318
Oh yes everyone on there is totally paid by Nvidia right.
>>55358140
>Sounds like nvidia trying to hard to diminish the ass rape they got from the 480
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, EVEN THE 390 IS FASTER THAN POOLARIS
>>55358348
Yeah if the 480 pulled 85 watts that wouldn't be a problem
Thing is, even on idle it's going OVER 150 watts.
What a disaster, guess this is what you have to deal with when you're a poorfag and have to buy poo products
>>55358140
>Being 15w above the naximum is totally ok.
Standards and specs exist for a reason, breaking them is never "ok".
>Your brakes only fail like 1% of the time, it's totally ok
>>55357957
This shit is so fucking stupid.
Why not draw the extra power from the connector?
It's better to fry the power supply than the whole fucking motherboard.
>>55358208
>Strange that nobody has actually posted any evidence of this happening yet
You mean like the "proof" webm posted 400 times a day of the nvidia card driver frying even though it's 1 second after a cold boot and the driver isn't even loaded yet?
>>55358348
Incorrect. Nvidia cards have advanced Mega Fractional Power Stablization Technology™ that prevents any damage to your motherboard, even when they draw too much power from it. They draw what we like to call Good Power™ from the slot, whilst AMD cards draw Bad Power™. It's this Bad Power™ that causes motherboards to die, and as such the problem is exclusive to AMD.
>>55358385
>OVER 150 watts
Total, idiot. That includes the power drawn from the 6-pin connector and the slot, which isn't supposed to exceed 75W each.
>>55358388
And yet cards have been breaking them for years. The 750 Ti did it. The 960 did it. But as explained, it Okay When Nvidia Do It™ for the reasons listed above.
>>55358406
You seem to be retarded and don't actually have any idea what that video is showing. Here's a hint, retard: Not a card blowing up due to heat or power draw.
>>55357957
inb4 AMD Zen will do the same
>>55358413
Nvidia being shit in the past excuses AMD for being shit now? What are you trying to say?
>>55357957
Eh, I'd be inclined to believe it. Some YT reviewer had his RX480 shut down his PC despite the mobo + GPU being entirely compatible.
>>55358392
It won't fry the power supply. You can pull over 200W from a 6 pin safely. The worst case scenario is a melted 6 pin and dead graphics card or burnt wires if your psu is some Chink shit with 20 gauge wires.
But I'm pretty sure you need to pull a lot to get that far.
>>55358457
He should be happy it triggered a shutdown instead of a meltdown
>>55358479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjC_8ai7QA
And this faggot is a total AMD fanboy, if even fanboys admit the card has problems then AMD truly fucked up.
Is it cheap because it's cheaply-made?
Thank god i didnt' fall for the meme
>>55358140
>480
>rape nvidia ass
Rrrrrright...
>>55357957
>ASRock
There's your problem.
>>55358477
If you have a premium PSU with good quality copper connections and 14 gauge wire you can do much more than 200 watts.
>>55358348
It didn't, the 750ti averages 70watts.
The the board isn't high end.
Just overpriced ricer shit.
>>55357957
>but your mobo sucks it's not AMD's fault
>AMD make a card for poorfags
>Poorfags have rubbish mobos
>AMD make a card that breaches PCI-E standards that will literally melt your slot because it draws an average of 80+ watts at load, causing the slot to produce more heat than it can handle eventually weakening the solder and failing catastrophically, but Nvidia has a card with some spikes but an average of 62 watts out! This is a conspiracy against AMD!
Never change retards.
>>55358348
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_750_Ti/23.html
>>55357957
>literally a jew
you can't make this shit up
>>55357957
>breaking news
Literally
>>55358622
Yea sure but I'm assuming most people use cheap trash. It has either 16 or 18 gauge wires.
>>55358600
ASRoc? Moar like ASSCock amirite?
>>55358654
This is the problem in a nutshell, if you have a premium mobo then the RX480 will run just fine. But if you have a premium mobo, why bother with a fucking budget GPU? And why can these shitty mobos handle a 980ti no problem but once you put a RX480 in it suddenly overdraws and shuts down?
Must be the 480 curse or something. Nvidia had issues with their variant.
first of all
POO
secondly:
Is this only a concern with the reference model? Sapphire Nitro model has an 8 pin instead of 6, so it shouldn't fuck you PCIe, right?
>>55358713
Yeah, that should solve the problem entirely.
Still fucking ridiculous that AMD released the faulty reference card in the first place tho.
>>55357957
So is it safe to buy the aftermarket cards if they feature more than a 6 pin conector?
>>55358707
Nvidia 480 never did anything beside getting super hot.
>>55358713
Depends if they made sure the BIOS does not pull more than 72w from the slot.
>>55358506
>And this faggot is a total AMD fanboy
Since when Science Studio is an AMD fanboy?
>>55358713
It shouldn't.
>14nm act like a 28nm card
>perform like old 390
>blow your momboard
Now I understand why they sell this turd 199$...
>>55358654
>>55358675
>>55358707
What if I've got a 100$ MSI mobo but a evga gold psu?
am i boned?
>>55358762
The problem is not connected to the PSU in any way, so yes, you're possibly boned.
>>55358713
$275
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29723412&postcount=10554
Apologize.
>>55358778
fug, heres to hoping for a software fix.
>>55358762
Did you buy a 480?
If yes do you play games?
Do you intend to OC?
If you answered yes to the first two questions probably and/or it will take the card a few gaming loops to burn your house down.
If you answered yes to the third one definitely, it's just a matter of time before the solder melts and your mobo is a brick.
>>55358762
You should be fine if its on 3.0.
OP pic have yet to proves that his issue is real. or whether its Crimson driver all over again.
Even if it burned you can just RMA your motherboard.
Same shit have happened in the past with 125watt Phenom CPU frying people boards, mostyl Gigabyte because they chink out on the parts.
>AMD
>Make a card that goes up to 90c while gaming
>Make it draw more than the rated amount from the PCI-E slot
>Literally make a housefire GPU
>People still in denial and are surprised that this will melt your PCI-E slot when there are reports after 1 (one) day
>>55358804
Why the fuck did you buy a reference card? the $30 more for aftermarket GPU is always worth it. Hell, it even runs faster because it usually has much more room to OC.
>>55358813
Yes, before PCIE shit was addressed, it's still shipping
Yes
No
Guess I got cucked for being impatient, integrated graphics are terrible.
The thread on AMD community forums:
>hai guise, first time poster here
>Rx480 burned my mobo
>hai first time poster, lol it's my first time here as well
>it burned my mobo as well
>lol, hi other first time poster... glad it's not just me xD
>lol hahaha this so funny familia, I'll touch your penis if you touch mine hahaha xD
It's like nVidia isn't even trying. They used to pay people with reputable forum profiles to shill... now they are like "lol first time poster here, but believem me, I'm legit xD"
Holy shit, I cringed readig their posts.
>>55358804
A sw fix will reduce performance even more. And 200+ bucks for sub 100$ performance... What a deal! At least I got muh 8gigs right? Hahahahahahaha 3.5 faggots btfo
>>55358634
>>55358660
basic bitch models with fan that could cool GTS 8800
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/palit-geforce-gtx-750-ti-stormx-dual-review,5.html
>>55358781
is that supposed to mean something to me?
>>55358858
Software fix is easy.
Lower the power limit.
Enjoy your throttling card.
>>55358858
Because I didn't expect AMD to be incompetent enough to do such a thing, and being on a Igpu for 5 months has left me itching to buy whenever it seemed right.
>>55358916
>expecting AMD to not fuck up EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME
well you learned something, isn't that worth... About 200 bucks?
>>55358813
It would take more than than that to melts your solder.
There's plenty of other factor that contribute to contact failure such as PCB and solder quality, but unless your motherboard have shitty contact then yes, it can fail in a numbers of way.
>>55358858
It's not a thermal issue on the cards part. It's a thermal issue at the PCI-E slot, it's not like you can magically tell the card not to draw more than 75w from the slot. If you can even do that via bios
(I seriously doubt it) it sounds like it's working as intended. Bravo AMD.
>>55358934
Meh, newegg refunds gpus if you ask for store credit so I can still recover from my terrible mistake if AMD doesn't fix it
>tfw watching the peasants scramble while I await the 1080Ti
>amdcucks
>>55358940
It doesn't need to melt your solder outright. It just needs to weaken it, it will eventually fail.
>PCB and Solder quality
>Poorfag card for poorfags and their $40 boards
>>55357957
>first time poster
>here about power draw issue
>decides to scam amd!
And this is the company that's gonna come up with a CPU more powerful than Skylake-Kaby Lake?
Hahahahahahahahaha. Poor AMDrones.
But not really, we're all fucked. Intel is going to dominate for several years to come it seems.
>AMD overclock their card last minute to make it more competitive, probably a proud leet hacker poo in loo behind it
>they lose millions
This fucking company I swear
>>55358661
>omar suhail
>jew
Are you fucking mentally disabled or just 10 years old?
>>55358971
Well I was planing on getting 2 to replace my 7970 on a 200$ mobo.
But now that looks like twice the worry.
Might have to do the unthinkable and buy green.
I'll wait for after market cards, hopping it solves it.
Hope they fire the intern that thought it was a good idea.
>>55358995
actually is is haswell performance you kike
>>55358964
>1080ti
Nvidya competing against itself
are you a retard?
>>55359036
Just go for AMD's older cards if you don't wanna green. They're good value for money and won't burn down your house.
I own both AMD and Nvidia GPUs. Nvidia is just quieter and less hot. I might pick up a 1060 if it's good value since I don't have a 1440p/4k monitor just to tide me over till there's a single 4K 60fps card which would warrant the wholesale investment.
>>55359036
>>55359085
lmao, the 7970 is way too competitive to replace with AMDs older cards. It'll be a marginally better card (like the 390) but you'll be paying a reasonable amount.
>>55359111
You can probably get a 390 used for $100 sold by some poor faget who thinks the 480 is better.
Even if this post is true there are other factors that could cause a PCIe slot to fail. It might have already been on the point of failing for some time and thr 480 pushed it over. It could just be an isolated case and he was just unlucky. He might have put a 970 in there and it still failed. Until I see proof from other people who are not 'just signed up' untrustworthy sources I will hold judgement.
>>55359005
/pol/ thinks arabs and germans are jews.
>>55357957
>shills an nvidia game
>not a secret nvidia shill himself
>>55359040
>Zen releases early 2017
>Haswell was released late 2013, early 2014
So you're telling me that Zen is going to compete with a 3-year-old CPU after years of AMD being dead on the market?
This is the almighty Zen?
Top jej.
They should declare bankruptcy already.
>>55358713
That is 100% down to the board design. If they use a reference board it can still use more than allowed from PCIe slot.
>>55359134
>AMDrone denial
>Prove to me that god doesn't exist
>>55358352
You need to take a English class
>>55359085
>>55359111
>>55359129
I'm not upgrading for a 40% improvement.
Also, I refuse to crossfire 28 nm toasters on my 750W PSU.
It would probably work, but if the has told me anything, it's that you should not strain a PSU to its limit. (had one literally catch fire).
That's why the 480 cf looked sane
>>55358352
POO
IN
LOO
PAJEET
>>55358337
>Excessive load from PCIe slot is not limited, because it’s within safe reserves.
>Excessive load...[is] within safe reserves
>In the worst case scenario the motherboard would switch off.
If anyone actually has a part failure they need to contact their motherboard manufacturer/reseller for an RMA instead of blaming AMD, and then review the board to let people know that specific model is incapable of handling normal overdraws.
Unlike nanny-state countries (*cough* EU members *cough*) the consumer has a duty to be self-informed in any rational place that expects it's people to not be man-children. Reviews have been out. The problem is known.
>>55358373
Spec calls for 75w, it draws an average of 80. Impossible to kill a delivery system like that with a 5w/.35A overdraw. These specs are all over-engineered to stay within massive safety margins so that parts still work conceivably well after their useful life.
The 6-pin connector is physically capable of delivering 190w. HCS terminals bump this up above 220w.
A PCI-e slot can and should be able to sustain well over 75 with no real problems. The 24-pin motherboard power connector can push >150w through it's 12V lines.
=====================================================
What we have here is another "False flag" attack like when people claimed 290X's were killing boards based off of one person in a forum who reported that their heavily modified 7970 burned out the PCI slot.
I'm sick of this bullshit and sick of shysters and thieves. Your idiocy gets no sympathy.
>>55358352
Die in a ditch, fucking indian cocksucker.
>>55359244
>average of 80
Try 88 and over 100w if you OC
>>55358971
How shit must a contact be for it to fail under a mere 200watt stress?
Really, it have to be some manufacture flaw to let such a shitty contact to pass their QC.
>>55359244
Normal overdraw is power spikes not sustained 80W.
Also the spec is 5.5A. Not 75W.
You'd have to be mental to buy this turd when custom boards are something that will exist. And maybe those won't have a retarded power delivery system and shitty cooler. I know reference cards are bad, but this takes the cake for the shittiest one I've ever seen.
>>55359303
>mere 200w stress
It's rated for 75w ....
>http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480
>read this
>still buy a reference 480
you're the only one to blame
i'm waiting for partner PCBs' with 8pin connector
>>55358762
JUST DON'T BUY REFERENCE YOU FUCK, WHO BUYS REFERENCE, JUST GET A THIRD PARTY ONE YOU CUNTS IT'S LITERALLY NO BIG DEAL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>55359303
heat doesn't have a wattage anon, if heat doesn't disperse quickly enough and builds up your mobo will fail. Especially if it's using cheap solder which microsoft found out hard with the x360
>>55359272
The 750ti review linked here
>>55358892
Shows a card with no 6-pin which consistently overdraws PCI-e spec. They even OCd it about 20%, but in true good Guru3D fashion didn't measure power draw after that.
Where as the outrage? The fried boards? Where in the review did they even hint that going over 75w is a problem?
>>55359311
If the spec is only 5.5A how in the world do they provision a spec of 75W from the mainboard and 75w from the 6-pin?
You're an idiot.
>>55359244
>20%+ delta on the allowed ampere is no problem you guys
ok
>>55359353
>It's a poorfag card
>don't buy the poorfag version
The mental gymnastics are astounding.
>>55359341
>8pin + 6 pin.
Fixed that for you.
>>55359369
The rest is on 3.3V rail. You could have just fucking googled the specification instead of making a fool of yourself. 12V is 5.5A, 3.3V is 3A. Totals to about 75W.
>>55359369
spikes are not nor have ever been the problem, the problem is continued over the rating power consumption causing the PCI-E slot to build up more heat than it can get rid off and eventually causing your solder to weaken/melt and fuck your mobo out. Lots of AMD shills pointing to power spikes but the 750ti itself averages 62w on load.
>>55359330
Were talking about solder and contact quality here.
>>55359354
X360 is a massive failure, but as shitty as its build its still failed under a much more rigorous condition than what RX 480 are putting these boards through.
Really, if your motherboards solder/contact failed from these its most likely because of a manufacturing flaw.
>>55359432
>manufacturing flaw
It's a $40 boards lmao I'm sure they have the toppest of the notch QC right there.
>>55358506
>tfw have an asus z170
Feels good man.
>>55359432
>Solder and contact quality
Doesn't matter, you have residual heat that the PCI-E slot can't get rid of, Where is it going to go? Heat builds up and doesn't dissipate fast enough because the slot isn't designed to take that much power. When the heat and temps build up enough even your gold star solder will fail.
>>55359353
sorry frogposter, but im not gonna accept this, remove the caps.
>>55359432
X360 failure was due to poor heat management, too much heat in one spot with not enough means to get rid of it causing the solder to fail which is exactly what's happening/going to happen here. Ratings exist for a reason. The bigger fish to fry is the CURRENT running through the PCI-E slot with a 480, this thing is pulling up to 1.5-3A over the rated limit, I can't imagine the amount of stress the slot is going through.
>>55358749
Since Nvidia decided it to be true. Don't you know? Everything nvidia says is the truth.
AMD should just stop making reference designs and let the people that actually know what they're doing do it.
>>55358880
Link?
What happened to amd?
>suddenly pajeet is the public face of amd
>latest commercial literally has designated poo streets
>poolaris 14nm but fails in performance/watt
>pajeet didnt pay attention to the pcie standard
This shit is making me very skeptical to zen.
AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH
Apologize to Kyle Bennett right now. He was right about everything.
>>55359488
>>55359553
Pretty sure the motherboard would shutdown first before that would happen...yeah of course unless you have shitty motherboard.
I want to see the same tester testing these using a poorfag motherboard.
Get measure and shit because all of them are testing it using a high end motherboard with extremely big circuit pipeline, overkill mofset, high end terminals and 40+ PCI-E lanes.
We already know whit these setup the motherboard will supply the lane with a current that it can handle.
But what about the normal motherboards? Will it supply the lanes with the same power draw or have limits imposed onto them?
>>55359658
no he has a gay name
>>55359684
>pretty sure
Lets hope so, I don't know whether there's overcurrent protections on the PCI-E slot, the fact that it's allowing the card to pull more than 10% of it's rated load looks like there isn't any.
>>55359715
Yeah, only a small number, and it all happened to be with the major reviewers.
I'll take that shit with a grain of salt thanks, reviewers are always sent almost golden samples unless the QC and marketing team really are retarded.
>>55359742
It's AMD we're talking about.
>>55359757
If they can send reviewers the lemons, think about how badly the QC team will fuck up with regular retail cards.
>>55359715
>robert hallock
>>55359715
So basically the problem exists because they skimped on build quality to get the price down.
>>55359809
Nothing suggests that, go back to Nvidia forums.
>>55359715
It's also why the perf/watt suck?...AMD damage control
>>55359852
I dont get paid for anything and I'm nobodies fanboy, I just like to argue with faceless idiots.
https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter
Look at what you people did to poo r Pajeet! He's even retweeting anime shit posters now.
>defending a company THIS hard
Get back to >>>/v/ manchilds.
>>55359715
Shill who probably got the mods to remove the original thread. It's not like amd has a history of failing pcie. :^)
*beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
Oh shit! Now I'm a #shell4intel!
>>55360020
>worth 2.5x what it was worth before
I'm fucking rich!
>>55360170
better sell now before the PCI-E class actions start
Buy RX480. Good card. Good value. No problem. Buy today.
>>55360236
Not how stocks work, pajeet.
>>55359839
Except the fact that the problem exists. If it isn't universal, it's widespread because a lot of people are reporting it.
>>55360286
buy low sell high
>>55360339
No pajeet. Buy on rumor, sell on news.
>>55359715
>only very small number of cards
Yeah, just about every card sent to sites which have capability to measure total card power draw. What a coincidence.
JUST
>>55360380
http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/amd-is-in-big-trouble-with-its-nonpci-express-compliant-rx-480
News?
>>55360250
No problem no problem no probem my frwwiend :^)
>>55360476
It's not news, which is why the stock price didn't tank yet.
POO
>>55360511
>yet
didn't fool me goldberg
>>55360531
You just don't understand anything about stocks pajeet.
>>55359809
A contributing factor may also be the Apple deal. Like screens, Apple is putting bills down for the cream of the crop. The leftovers get put into the RX 480 cards, and AMD chose a safe overvolt that would ensure these second stringers worked normally.
That means they run hotter and draw more power, though. Some users are finding they can undervolt significantly at stock clocks, cutting system draw by 30W or more in addition to reducing temps. That in turn reduces the strain on the PCIe slot.
It's Tonga all over again.
poverty cards btfo
poor people LEAVE
GUYS ITS OK JUST WAIT FOR 490 IS OK
>>55358884
Since when was the 970 or (even if they somehow lower it so much) 960 $100?
>>55358427
Maybe they underbudgeted their gpu launch so zen could have as close to the budget intel pushes
>>55360852
W A I T™
>>55361376
SHUTUP IT WELL BE FINE STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP
>>55361394
W A I T™ the RX 580!
>>55360783
>>55358894
>$25 short of a GTX 980 with a 980 performance and not something close to it, when overcloacked [Disclaimer: Not in all games].
Poolaris appeal was its performance and price. As usual, trust AMD to fuck everything up.
who /soldallmyAMDstocksbeforelaunch/ here?
>>55359373
The reference card is more expensive. You're retarded.
>>55359178
Zen will have 2x the cores at half the price though.
>inb4 moar cores meme
Zen cores =/= Bulldozer cores.
>>55359221
>a English
>not an English
Anon I've got bad news...
>>55361589
It's going to be $250 or less in the US.
Why are you converting currencies? The UK and Europe spends more on cards across the board.
>>55359715
>out of hundreds
That is still a very concerning percentage.
>1 in a 333 chance of needing to buy a new motherboard in an attempt to save $75
>>55361600
>the reference card is more expensive
top kek
>>55359353
>AMD fucks up their own product and just leaves the issues to be fixed by aftermarket companies
Bunch of pricks
OP of the thread posted pictures as proof.
Motherboard shows error code d6 which means VGA not detected when the card is in the first PCI-E slot. Same thing happens if a different card (750 ti) is in the slot. If the second PCI-E slot is used, everything works fine.
Confirmed mobo killer.
>>55361601
>intel cores >>>>>>> Zen cores = Bulldozer cores.
>>55361987
>ASRock
>>55361987
Daily reminder that AMD cards are cheap for a reason. Enjoy 'saving' $100 to buy a new mobo.
>>55357957
good, maybe people will use integrated gpus now and stop being such utter dumbasses.
>>55362006
>poorfag cards for $300 mobos
Cool logic bro
>>55361987
>Yeah, the case seems... alright, I guess.
>Who needs hard drive mounts, anyway?
>>55362006
>hurr durr a $199 btfo
>kek a poorfag momboard
Fuck off
>>55362006
ASRock is considered the greatest motherboard manufacturer on /g/. They are behind the most applauded motherboard of all time, ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3, which, when combined with the legendary Intel® Core™ i5 2500k, would allow you to reach performance levels unreachable by other motherboards.
>>55361987
>mauled HD cage
>cakes of yellow grime on chip leads
Disgusting.
Unfortunate, though. Being a filthy animal doesn't mean he deserved to have his PCIe slot burned out.
>>55357957
>overclock
>shit burns
>act suprised
retard
>>55362167
>480
>a good oc card
>>55362167
>dat damage control
YOU are retarded...read the reviews next time
>>55357957
>4.5 Ghz FX-8350 = 290-300W
>1350 Mhz RX480 = 200W
500 W Bronze PSU.
God dammit. We're so lucky that AIB partners are going to actually put a fucking 8-pin on the card like AMD should have, but AMD had to try to prove and themselves cause of "muh power consumption" meme.
Nvidia needs to be stopped, they are jewing the fuck out of everyone, this is not helping.
>>55362312
>4.5 Ghz FX-8350 = 290-300W
No, just no.
>>55362401
He is pushing it though with that PSU. Not excusing the 480 or anything, just saying. AMD CPUs are such fucking garbage.
>>55362401
Was from memory.
It's 200 at stock anyway.
This guy also killed a motherboard with the 480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjC_8ai7QA
>PCIe Slots Have Died On High-End Boards
why would a high-end board user be using a reference 480?
>>55362460
Total system power consumption, you shit eating idiot.
>>55362460
Keep in mind that it's measured from the wall, and includes all the other components.
PSU not stated, but let's be nice and say it has 90% efficiency at that load, meaning it's actually supplying ~265W. 4.8 GHz is a bit more than 4.5, and power consumption tends to increase more the further you go, so let's reduce about 30W, and we land at ~235W. Remove GPU idle power and we get to 225W.
Not entirely sure whether the 200W figure for a slightly OC'd 480 is realistic, but we can go with it. We're still at 425W after all, and that's at peak load with both the CPU and the GPU.
>>55362499
maybe they bought 4
>>55362555
One guy bought three and cooked.
>>55362544
Yep, I would never fucking do that. I'd get a 650W at the very least.
I think this issue has already been addressed
https://m.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qmlep/rx_480_powergate_problem_has_a_solution/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
>>55362555
>buy 4 480s
>plug them in
>each uses 100W at the pcie slot
>motherboard explodes into nuclear blast, wiping out entire city
>feels good man
>rx480 killed some guys rampage v ($500 mobo)
Noone is safe
>>55362591
That's pretty common. Most people either greatly overestimate their power draw (people who think they have +400W builds measure it and only see it drawing 250W), or they just play it extremely safe with their PSUs.
Not like I'm any better. I have a 620W PSU on a sub 300W build.
>>55362592
The OP and the guy he's quoting is misinterpreting the information. The people at /r/amd still felt like voting that thread to the top of the subreddit.
They also banned the guy who made that original huge thread about the power issues. /r/amd sure sounds like a nice place for calm and impartial discussion ;^)
>>55362687
It's ok, just sweep it all under the rug, nothing to see here ;)
i hope 480 would kill my mobo
free new mobo
one could only dream
>>55358448
It doesn't excuse AMD for being shit, It just shows how shilly the entire field is in nvidia's favor since nobody gave a fuck when the 750Ti and the 960 Strix came out, but now that AMD does it, it's suddenly the worst thing ever.
>>55358337
The spec is 75W max. Your post shows 86W and 87W. So it went 11W and 12W over spec. 6-pin draw doesn't factor into this, so don't mistake the total for the relevant figures.
>>55362891
>it's suddenly the worst thing ever
Because everyone knows it's doing it in a sustained manner which is bad.
AMD has to push people to AM4 motherboards somehow.
>>55362480
It sounds like it just wouldn't work, he didn't say it bricked the mobo. He even tested it successfuly with a 980Ti afterward.
It does highlight just how severe the power draw it though. An old Foxconn A78AX-K with PCIe 2.0. What happened was exactly what seems to be worrying people: Older/weaker boards being unable to deliver the power the card needs through that slot.
All because they insisted on 6-pin...
>>55362891
750Ti and 960 never went over pcie spec though, the 480 is literally the only card to do this
>>55362932
It's not really about the wattage it's about the current flowing through the slot.
V = IR
Fucking 6-8A on a 5.5A rated slot.
Literally asking for a housefire
>>55362906
Tom's got it to 200W
>>55362996
Yep, pcper showed this, pic related, very bad
>>55363006
Spikes don't count. Everything in power delivery circuit is limited by temperature and 200W spikes don't make a lick of difference outside of increasing the average.
>>55362996
How do you pull a high wattage without pulling a high current at 12v you fucking dolt
>>55362058
hey, some times you need to bludgeon criminals with your computer
>>55363063
>How do you pull a high voltage without pulling a high current at 12v
It's more about the current flowing through the 5.5A rated PCI-E you fucktard
>>55363052
the spikes are for a microsecond, the 480 power draw is sustained
>>55363094
What do you suppose high wattage translates to
jesus fuck neck yourself
>>55363128
>What do you supposed the high wattage translates to
It translates into heat because there's 6-9A flowing through the PCI-E slot.
>>55363107
Yea that doesn't matter to me, I'm just saying that bringing out 200W spikes like they are something you should care about is retarded. They are only of academic interest.
>>55363167
the 200w spikes are while the pci-e slot is drawing 100w constant through the 75w rated PCI-E slot. Spikes matter more when you're already over the limit. It might just be enough to fry your board.
>hurdur 'sustained draw' meme
the only reason the 960's average is lower is because the power draw has a lower minimum. it's still pulling >75W much more frequently than the 480.
also nobody's motherboard has been damaged, people are just after free replacements/money.
same thing happened when they claimed their amd gpus were being fried by the crimson driver bug except they forgot the fact that throttling and thermal shutdown protection existed on a hardware level.
are shills just posting this FUD?
>>55363239
>it's still pulling >75W much more frequently than the 480
No it's not, the 960 is completely within spec, the 480 is the only card with this issue
>>55363239
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Power-Consumption-Concerns-Radeon-RX-480/Evaluating-ASUS-GTX-960-Strix
960 doesn't pull more than 66w from pcie.
>>55363239
The sustained draw means the current running through your PCI-E slot is slowly simmering and boiling it. Microsecond wattage spikes mean nothing.
It's laughable how you fucktards can't understand high school physics
V= IR
6-9A on a 5.5A rated slot for sustained periods so you get awesome housefires.
>>55363205
They don't matter more or less when you're at the limit. They increase the average, which is the way in which they are relevant. High spikes = high average. That's it.
>>55363283
and that's why all this evidence of motherboards not working is around right?
oh wait, there is none.
>>55363288
>high spikes = high average
No it doesn't the microsecond spikes affect the average so little that a 750ti that has 150w pikes still manages to average under 70w.
>>55363307
>all this is evidence of motherboards not working
Heat destroys boards, the solder weakens, the contacts weaken and you end up with busted mobo.
>>55363321
i don't think you understand how averages work
>>55363307
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjC_8ai7QA
It's already killing motherboards
>>55363283
>>55363258
Why don't you read the spec, it says "A minimum of 66/75W", it doesn't specify a maximum. It's up to the manufactures if they want to supply more (the mobo controls exactly how much power is allowed to the PCIe lane; if something draws more it's because the board let it).
Retards like you two don't seem to understand VRMs.
>>55363353
i don't think you understand how averages work
>>55363348
yet nobody has a busted mobo
you're a tech illiterate fool, stop trying to tout your poor knowledge on the subject as fact
>>55363373
75W is the MAXIMUM pcie spec
>>55363307
>all this evidence
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
http://www.overclock.net/t/1604421/various-amd-rx-480-review-thread/1890#post_25309056
Day 2 of the cards release. Wait another week and another 100 reports are probably going to show up.
It might not fail right away, it might take a gaming session or two.
>>55363378
>yet nobody has a busted mobo
See >>55363359
>>55363389
>It might not fail right away, it might take a gaming session or two.
It could actually take even longer than that.
That's what worries me the most and why I didn't buy a 480.
It burns your mobo slowly over time and then maybe a few months down the line you start having issues and don't know why, would be a nightmare to troubleshoot.
>>55363373
Mate, we have 8 pin and 6 pin PCI-E power connectors for cards that require over 100W of power. Why is it so hard to use them?
>>55363419
but it will happen, the amdiots here are claiming it won't happen to 'good quality' motherboards.
It's funny because this poorfag card will probably be used by poorfags with $40 mobos so you should hear more mobos being busted soon
current^2*resistance losses is pretty serious.
>>55362906
>The spec is 75W max
Yeah, combined 12V + 3.3V but RX 480 is practically using only 12V which has specced cap of 66W (12V 5.5A)
It's pulling so much current from the PCI-E slot that there is vdroop and the voltage drops down to 11 V and current shoots up to 8A which is 50% over the spec.
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
people in this thread is fucking delusional
>>55363493
>SHOOTS UP TO 8A
Jesus, no wonder people's mobos are getting fried
That amount of current flowing through the motherboard WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK AMD?
>>55362120
>ASRock is considered the greatest motherboard manufacturer on /g
Are you a fucking idiot. Every one hates ASrock on here, you never see ASrock on a guts thread fucking never!
>>55359715
PCI-SIG testing does not test for power draw from PCI-E slot
Every single RX 480 tested for power draw at the PCI-E slot has been found out of spec
>>55363456
Yes, the very target audience is the one that is most likely to have serious issues the soonest.
Damnit, AMD.
Hopefully partners already foresaw this...
>>55359839
Except that an 8 pin PCI-E power connector would have avoided the problem completely. But they wanted a 6 pin for muh marketing b/c the card is a big fat turd and their only hope is price and "low power" which is obviously a joke on both fronts now.
>>55363524
Considering the shipping chip stepping is C7 it seems like AMD had some serious issues with GloFo's 14nm process. They most likely expected the chips to draw ~100W max judging from the stock heatsink and manufactured a shit ton of reference boards designed for that kind of chips. Then GloFo kept fucking up their chip orders and they were forced to ship a product with significant amount of shipped GPUs pulling 120-130 W and thus going over the spec with reference board (GPU+VRAM+VRM power consumption).
>>55360020
I shorted this bitch yesterday, waiting for this news to go mainstream
so with the 480 off the table for now would a 4gb 380 be the best card to buy for around $200?
>>55363547
Nah, I've been using AsRock Z68 Extreme4 for 4 years and 11 months now and it's been awesome. Too bad AsRock started cutting the corners with their Z77 boards and went back to being bargain bin tier.
>>55357957
https://youtu.be/xk24cU5ldhk?t=400
Everyone knows now, pajeets btfo
This guy has put a ton of work into this post, lots of info on this issue here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qfwd4/rx480_fails_pcie_specification/
so the 480 is pushed to the limit such that you cant overclock it further without swapping the crappy default fan for some serious aftermarket cooler
and the first thig this retarded kid does is overclock it and run for 7 hours (probably without checking the temps)
I never overclocked anything but im pretty sure it comes with warnings about loss of warranty and advices of careful incremental testing to avoid damage
>>55357957
guys calm the fuck down, this results were paid by nvidia to make them look bad.
>>55362687
Sauce on the ban of the original post?
>>55363650
Even at stock it's already probably damaging your board slowly.
>>55362592
Thoroughly debunked. 300W PCI-E specification is 75W slot + 75W 6pin + 150W 8pin
>>55363674
>paid by nvidia
Daily reminder that ABN is a mental illness
>>55363684
>There are morons here who think it's a good idea to draw 300w through your motherboard in a slot connected to your board.
>>55363052
200W was spiked, correct, but that run sustained an average of 100W
