>2016
>Next Generation GPU
>Still has shit DVI Port
Why?
>>55254608
Why not? There's room for it
Who cares
>>55254608
its called legacy support. your shitty windows os is all about it.
>>55254608
No DVI port is the reason why I will not buy a 480 unless theres any aftermarket cards with a DVI port on
my gook monitor requires it
It doesn't hurt. There will be custom models without them.
At least its better then older HDMI, or god forbid fucking VGA.
>tfw it's surprisingly hard to find a decent DP cable and you're really only left with DVI
Even though my monitor supports DP I use DVI because it's stupid difficult to find a good DP cable.
Can't wait until the updated HDMI spec is more mainstream.
Cheap korean 144 panels.
>>55254712
>it's stupid difficult to find a good DP cable
No it isn't. There are fucking thousands of listings for them on eBay.
>>55254681
get an adapter you absolute retard they put HDMI on there for you poorfags already stop trying to shit up good cards
>>55254608
because poor people are still on 1080p
>>55254729
And none of those thousands of listings are vesa compliant.
>>55254790
buy a decent monitor and the cable it comes with will be
>>55254763
yeah, let me just buy a £60 DP to active DVI adapter, which won't even be able to guarantee reaching a 1440p 120hz overclock on my monitor like DVI does
tech illiterate cunt
>>55254608
you need dvi for 144hz monitor
>>55254873
>source: my ass
>>55254681
I was surprised to see it didn't come with a dvi port.
The thing's practically made for 1080p.
dvi is also what my monitor uses so I'm a tad annoyed.
I actually recently got a new dvi cord to replace the cord I was using, a dvi to hdmi cable, because the hdmi connector was shitty and dying.
I think it was hdmi anyway, they keep changing these ports for god only knows why when 1080p is still the standard.
>>55254822
>calls somebody else tech illiterate
>buys a garbage korean panel with 5 dead pixel guarantee ft. backlight bleed for centuries
end your life you pathetic fuck
>>55254904
HDMI can only support 120Hz
>>55254940
Displayport.
>>55254923
has minimal backlight bleed and no dead pixels actually :^)
but seeing as you didn't realise how difficult it can be to get an adapter for DP to DVI for any resolution above 1080p you're still the tech illiterate cunt
>>55254805
Nah, a lot of monitors don't come with cables any more. Or if they do it's an HDMI instead of a DP. I agree with him. You can find cheap DP cables yet but not really high quality ones.
>>55254681
virtually every aftermarket 480 will have DVI. Even the reference board has the pin outs ready. The reference card just doesn't have the output wired up because they wanted more displayports to fit
>>55254608
fuck you my monitor was VGA until 2014 and now my new monitor's connector is already obsolete
>>55254940
You are a dumb fucking nigger.
>>55254608
Is it somehow a problem? From what I can tell on the picture, it has two Displayports and one HDMI, so it doesn't seem to me that it's somehow lacking in connectivity or sacrificing valuable space for it.
>>55254983
Why are you buying good graphis cards if yo uare going to have a shitty monitor anyways? What good is rendering and good image if you are going to display it on shit.
>>55254965
considering the fact that i'm not poor and autistic like you i actually have monitors with displayport
i'm also not underaged and from /v/ so i don't fall for the 120/144hz meme
>>55255009
my monitor's image quality is pretty good
and i'm mostly buying it so i can CUDA-accelerate faster
>>55255019
>accuses others of being underage from /v/ when you, yourself, buy graphics cards for muh gaymes
>>55255050
>when you, yourself, buy graphics cards for muh gaymes
you can imply things all you want kiddo, back to /v/ you go
>>55255060
nah I'm alright, i'd rather stay on /g/ and argue with tech illiterate spergs like yourself
>>55255092
>keeps projecting his tech illiteracy
i mean you came to this thread because you were angry about your high tech illiteracy and why companies aren't catering to your bullshit after all
why are you /v/irgins so cancerous
>>55255113
Not him but calling 120/144 Hz a meme and then calling someone else tech illiterate pretty much means you have trash opinions.
>>55255153
>high refresh rates are only good for gayming
End yourself, my man.
>>55255113
>he wasn't aware about the resolution limits with many passive and active DP to DVI adapters and the cost involved in those that support higher resolutions and refresh rates
nah you don't know what you're talking about and can't admit it because you were so smug and got btfo'd and had to move the goalposts
i get the sense you're rather angry given the tone of all your responses, why don't you take some deep breathes anon?
>>55255180
literally name one other function for them
>"muh static desktop looks '''''smoother''''''"
yeah no fuck off retard
>>55255185
>being poor
>>55255180
Well they certainly aren't any use for spreadsheet editing.
>>55255197
>being tech illiterate and posting on a technology board
>>55255215
>continuously projecting your tech illiteracy
next you're going to tell me you use 'GNU/Linux'
>>55255232
>trying to deflect the fact you don't know what you're talking about as proven earlier
kek
>>55255197
Why did you put "smoother" in quotes though? That is the reason. Maybe your eyesight is just terrible, or perhaps you have been disappointed so many times in your life that you just have very low expectations for everything, including your computer monitors.
Jesus Christ I can't even fathom how poor you must be to still be stuck on 60 Hz. Pic related, it's the year you're stuck in.
>>55255267
thanks for exposing just how retarded you are
>>55255266
why are you even trying anymore /v/
>>55254805
>can't find a good cable
>buy a monitor instead
What a shitty response. Never change, /g/.
>>55254649
Fuck legacy-anything. Fuck ps/2 ports. Fuck dvi. Fuck vga. Fuck ide. Fuck these ugly looking connectors that only 0.0001% of the 1st world population still uses. I don't want to see that shit on a product released in the year of our Lord 2016.
>>55255279
>thanks for exposing just how retarded you are
The only thing that has been exposed in this thread is how tech illiterate and financially bankrupt you are. Have another smiling black man.
>>55255267
>watches films at 24fps
>>55255294
should have bought a good monitor in the first place
>>55255306
>bankrupt
>says the poorfag with an a-panel
kek talk to me when you can even afford a first grade monitor and not something taken from the dumpster out back of samsung/lg's manufacturing plants
I'm sorry that every single intelligent person uses DVI and doesn't subscribe to your next-generation bullshit.
No one in their right mind would even buy such a fucking insanely fuckhuge, overpowered, overheating, overpriced pile of shit GPU anyway. If you think your so-called "games" that need such insane power are any good, please stop playing anything 1995 and after and just play old games for a few years to see how gaming should be.
>>55255326
>I'm sorry that every single intelligent person uses DVI
t. autist living in parents basement who can't afford a monitor that was manufactured after 2010 ie has displayport
>>55255318
I'm not the Korean monitor guy. Just someone that knows that 144 is more than 60 and more is always better. :^)
>>55255343
nice meme /v/, your smiley with a carat nose is simply eric
>>55254707
What modern graphics card still runs vga??
>>55254712
>it's stupid difficult to find a good DP cable.
Is it?
My screen occasionally goes black and I suspect it's the cable.
I tried 3 cables already, should I try more?
>>55254608
Because most people are idiots and spend more on their GPU than their monitor. Poorfag monitors all come with DVI ports.
>>55255362
Make sure the cable isn't loose. If not, could be something faulty on the monitor or GPU. Worth trying another connection if one is available to you.
>>55255350
Never before have I seen somebody so obviously from /v/ and ashamed of it
>>55254608
Because I'm still using a vga monitor and need to use the DVI adapter for it to work.
>>55255298
>. Fuck ps/2 ports
Suck me off
>>55255298
Nobody cares about your mind. The port is not here to be pretty but to work well. People are still using this port and I still use this port. Now stop being mad and use the other port if you prefer.
>>55254681
DP to DVI adapters are like $10 if you're just running 1080pleb. I bet one will be included in the box even.
>>55255419
Already tried everything: 3 different laptops, 2 different screens (same model).
It's either a production flaw with the screens, a bug in Arch Linux, or the cables.
So my question is: how common is it for DP cables to be unreliable at 2560x1440x60?
>>55254822
>dvi
>more than 60hz on 1440p
Looks like you're dumber than that other guy.
>>55255539
>a bug in Arch Linux
I think this is where you should start.
>>55254608
the bigger issues are
> DVI but dropping the analog/VGA pins
> still using SLI fingers and bridges despite PCIe having ridiculously higher (and nearly all unused) bandwidth
>>55254608
HDMI is DRM-burdened nonfree cancer.
Displayport is superior but failed to gain any support.
DVI is what's left, and it works just fucking fine.
>>55255356
Any card with DVI-I ports have VGA outputs, you only need a DVI->VGA converter
My monitor doesn't support HDMI, so I use a DVI to VGA converter for my GPU.
>>55255761
>still using SLI fingers and bridges despite PCIe having ridiculously higher (and nearly all unused) bandwidth
Its why those new high bandwdith sli bridges are a total scam - they really are two of the old ones bolted together because Nvidia hasn't touched the technology in years and its holding back multi card setups.
AMD at the very least has gone bridgeless which has quite a few advantages (at the very least you don't need to buy more bridges if you add more cards into the system).
>>55254681
why? my1440p 100hz ips works fine with hdmi to dvi adapter. its basicly the exact same thing as a dvi
>>55254608
Backwards compatibility
You'll be thankful if you ever work in tech
>>55255298
>DVI
>Legacy
>>55255473
>mechfag detected
>>55255452
> Literal butthole eyes
Every time. Every fucking time.
>>55255855
the big problem is that bridged SLI barely has enough bandwidth to get the job done.
At anything less than the full output bandwidth (~3.5 GB/s for DP 1.3/1.4), you start adding frame latency even if there is cut-through switching of the frame to the display, and at less than half the display bandwidth, you are actively bottlenecking frame delivery rates.
Nvidia axed 3-/4-way SLI since using only 1 physical link per connection would cripple UHD@>60Hz displays and using 4 sets of fingers per card would just get them ridiculed for their tech being more obviously garbage.
>>55254608
>more choices? BAWWWWWWWW!!!
>>55254608
>>55255298
DVI is still superior to wayland, why should I abandon it?
>>55256063
There is nothing inherently special stopping Nvidia making their equivalent to XDMA but they aren't going to do so because that involves effort and fuck that. If they ever release a pascal titan with 1/2 DP things could get very interesting for those that buy said titan as a quadro lite.
Hell crossfire has improved leaps and bounds since AMD went bridgless - when it works it is generally superior to sli these days.
>>55255298
Get an iPad if you want a computer that looks Aesthetic.
>>55255949
>what is DVI-I
Still the best way to connect a Korean monitor.
>>55255949
>dvi
>not legacy
>>55255949
Shit IS legacy and we should only be producing monitors with DP or HDMI at this point.
>>55255298
>tfw d-dvi monitor
Used DVi for years, just recently switched to DP for AMD Freesync :^)
DP didnt work for me. DVI-I werks fine
>>55254608
To output 1080p content at 144Hz, you typically use a dual link DVI-D cable or DisplayPort cable. You can also use a HDMI 1.3 or higher cable.
It's an okay cable, I don't see why not
>>55254608
nah
>>55256929
That pic needs updating with the 480 shelves overflowing with stock while the 1070 remains barren.
>>55254608
I appreciate it a lot. I have a Cintiq tablet that's a few years old and uses that port. Maybe people like using things they already own and don't want to buy all new stuff because their new computer only has "display ports" whatever the fuck those are.
>>55255298
Get laid/life.
>Wangblows video gamer whining about legacy support
all right then how bout that cognitive dissonance
>>55254608
i honestly am wondering the same thing, it's a complete waste
there should only be hdmi, and maybe vga if necessary
>>55256892
thunderbolt with usb-C connector is the future
HDMI and DP are last gen
>>55254712
>>55255362
Just get a 5 dollar dell or other oem cable on ebay. I have two and they work fine.
>>55257482
>USB-c
>viable alternative to DP
So the rx 480 wont initially have DVI support.
I have a 144hz benq with only hdmi, VGA and DVI but no DP. Will there be a custom 480 model with DVI? Will a cheap passive DP -> DVI adapter support 144hz or should I get a) an active converter b) a new monitor?
>next gen
>gddr5
literally lmaoing at ur life m8
Because a good monitor with a DVI input will outlive several generations of graphic cards, including this one and probably the next 2-3
mine are at least 7 years old by now
>>55257997
a good graphic card will outlive several generations of monitors
i use a geforce 2 mx 440
>>55257769
active converter,
realised they existed after buying 3 passive converters
>>55254608
You're mad because you're paying for a feature you don't use.
But you're also paying for R&D, drivers, etc. and a lot of that goes towards compatibility with other shit you'll never use which includes games you never play.
Do you rage when your driver that improves the FPS on your favourite game or piece of software ALSO comes with improvements for things you don't use? No.
Get over it.
>>55258188
>Do you rage when your driver that improves the FPS on your favourite game or piece of software ALSO comes with improvements for things you don't use?
This is /g/ - of course people rage over things like that.
My favorite antifeature related to DP/HDMI is that Windows versions past vista will automatically forcibly deactivate any DP or HDMI display when you turn it off, which fucks up all your window positions.
Microsoft's officially suggested solutions:
1. Use DVI instead
2. Block pin 19 of the HDMI pin with a small piece of electrical tape (DP pins are too small)
3. Buy an adapter that will block the pin for you
Little things like this are the reason why using Windows pissed me off to no end - things that just work on any sane OS will require me to spend 2 hours on google figuring out how to circumvent them on Windows.
I still use all dvi. When I last tried HDMI on my monitors it fucked up the scaling and everything ended up blurry. I take it all of that is now fixed?
>>55258420
christ how is windows this fucked up even though it has the best support and funding
>>55254608
look how flush the 480 is
You are better off buying a DVI to DP cable. Reason being adapters stick out more and are prone to breaking.
>>55258694
The magic of that is either with a hacksaw or replacement bracket you could have a single slot card via a waterblock.
Pic semi-related, a single slot version of (more or less) the most power hungry gpu ever created.
>tfw happily shitposting with my 17'' eMachines CRT from 2005
Motherfuckers need to stop rushing out to get the latest and greatest tech, especially when you've seen as many threads as I've seen that all say the same shit:
>spent $2000 on a brand new rig
>do nothing but spend all day shitposting on 4chan
>>55258694
The benefits of a discrete graphics card mostly lay in making focusing on your screen rather than your surroundings more entertaining so basically it doesn't matter.
>>55258748
I'm happy for you but you're making a mistake many consumerists do which is overestimating the prevalence of situations which people bother to comment on online, eg. in product reviews.
>>55258763
nah man because my personal experiences outweigh and ultimately support my prior claims. Life is simpler and cheaper if I'm not constantly chasing new tech. Things are good, you know? Theres no hole or perceived hole in my heart by not having the latest and greatest
>>55254608
Why you care?
>>55258799
I'm talking about the anecdote (noticed the pattern also), not your lifestyle. I just decided not to include it in my decisions.
>>55255343
Uhhh bud, bigger numbers isnt always better.
You can get 720p 144hz monitor does thst mean its better than a 4k 120hz monitor? No, no it isnt.
>>55258844
>Uhhh bud, bigger numbers isnt always better.
Of course it is - thats why a 1500mhz gtx 960 outperforms a 947mhz R9 290!
>>55254608
>hurr i don't use it so remove it
>>55258862
Core clock for a GPU is only one variable (which does not inherently define ranges of other variables) anon, and has very little significance without context.
>>55258937
I know, hence the rather obvious sarcasm. You would be surprised however at the amount of people that use the likes of gpuboss as a performance metric when all that site does is compare numbers on the box and declare the bigger number the winner, hence the example.
>>55258823
autism
i still have an fp2007 that i use, and i fucking want it on DVI
you can convert dvi to hdmi
you only need one hdmi
it's still perfectly acceptable to have dvi+hdmi+2xDP
>>55259283
I'm going to project here that you're projecting
>>55255267
THE HUMAN EYE LITERALLY CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN 50 FPS
YET THE 144HZ FAGS HAPPEN
WHY
GOD
PROTECT US FROM RETARDS LIKE THIS
PLEASE
>>55259378
>THE HUMAN EYE LITERALLY CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN 50 FPS
yes it can, you're an idiot
>>55259378
50 is very specific when describing 7 billion people that run on software specifically dependent upon such arbitrary numbers.
If there was anything to your comment you'd at least state standard deviation instead of ranting.
>>55259378
60 fps? Why do you need 30 fps? Human eye can't see above 24 fps anyway!
>mfw 30" 24Hz monitor
>mfw drinking Hertz fags tears
>poverty card
>no DVI port
How can AMD be this incompetent?
>>55259531
this way you get to buy adapters, feels more premium that way
>>55259531
>muh $10€ cable
Oh wow.
>>55259531
Nobody who can justify this purchase is in poverty. What's your actual point?
My 3 Dells are still only DVI/VGA and no HDMI or DP.
I'm not buying 3 new screens anytime soon.
>>55259517
>24 fps is the movie industry standard
>60 fps is the game industry standard
>144 fps is the competitive gaymer standard
you get it fegeit?
>>55259378
>>55259517
boy you two really sucked up that marketing from sony didnt you.
>>55254608
>fell for korean 1440p monitor meme
>thing only has dvi-d
>passive adapters only work up to 1080p
>active adapters costs $80
>desperately need a new video card on a budget
>reference rx 480 doesn't support dvi-d
Explain one thing, isn't DVI and HDMI the same fucking thing just a different connect type?
Have I been missing something all these years?
>>55260255
The lesson here is not to fall for gook lies.
>>55260305
HDMI offers much more bandwidth which allows for higher resolutions as well as refresh rates.
What are safe temp range for a 1070 to be running at? It was 71 Celsius and spooky orange colored on speccy when I was running Doom. That shit always gets me paranoid
>>55260372
Nvidia throttles at around 80c - anything below that is perfectly fine.
>>55260372
>>55260384
Poorfag here, I've never had a "current" card so I never have to worry much about temp issues in games, but what exactly does "throttle" at higher temps mean exactly? you'll get lag in-game? or will the card get damaged? I always assumed playing cards at ~70 will cause them to die faster
>>55254608
buy an RX 480 if you don't want DVI
>>55260412
Pretty standard analogy unless you also don't know about engines
>>55260444
Don't know shit, pop my throttle cherry
>>55259531
According to currytech, reference PCB also supports DVI-D functionality and some custom designs will feature DVI-D ports. The reference card chose omitting a dvi port to maximise exhaust airflow.
>>55260412
>but what exactly does "throttle"
When a gpu reaches a pre-defined temperature or power draw limit (as determined by its bios) it will start reducing core clocks speeds until it sits at said limit.
Nvidia typically sets a temp limit of 83c - the second a gpu tries to go above it core frequency drops until 83c is met. AMD set a limit of 95c for the 290 and 290x and will throttle way, waaaay down to maintain that limit on the reference cooler.
Realistically as long as you are at or below the throttle limit both AMD and Nvidia will ensure optimal performance. Naturally with any electronic device the cooler you keep it the better as gpus react dynamically - the cooler you keep it the less voltage a card will demand etc etc.
Side note: unless you actively mess with overclock settings a modern gpu will throttle (and eventually crash) to ensure its not damaged when under load. See also: why furmark is not a good stress test as it is effectively a power virus.
>>55260544
It's amusing to consider that furmark is seen as such when it suggests that cards don't throttle on other software due to inefficiencies
literally >this stress test is irrelevant because it's incomparably efficient
>>55260633
There is a difference between a realistic stress load and simply hammering a chip because you can. Christ both Nvidia and AMD (though to differing dgrees) throttle their cards when their driver detects furmark running as it can be thermally destructive. Ironically for AMD running the ashes of singularity is the best stress test going as it hammers the entire gpu in a way virtually no other game does.
It is the same for cpus - Intel Burn Test is thermally destructive for haswell and later chips when using AVX2.
>>55254957
Displayport is a buggy piece of shit desu
>>55254608
DVI > HDMI
kys
>>55259378
Thanks for the information, really good stuff from someone who obviously has never actually used a 144hz monitor.
>>55260362
>much more bandwidth
>cant even do 1080p@144hz unlike dvi
an most monitors dont support HDMI 2.0 yet if you referring to that
>>55260955
>dual-link DVI to overcome bandwidth limitations
Yeah, nah. HDMI can feed 4k if it has to which is far in excess of what DVI can provide.
>>55256985
Dual link is capped at 120hz on 1080p anon.
>>55261006
HDMI is a botnet
go fuck yourself
>>55261200
>hdcp meme
>>55256929
his middle finger is a penis. someone archive this precious depiction of pepe!
>>55261310
>HDMI manufacturers pay an annual fee of US$10,000 plus a royalty rate of $0.15 per unit, reduced to $0.05 if the HDMI logo is used, and further reduced to $0.04 if HDCP is also implemented.[83] An alternative fee for HDMI manufacturers making fewer than 10,000 units per year is an annual fee of $5,000 with a royalty rate of $1 per unit.
fuck you and your proprietary fucking video cable, fagget
>>55261137
It isnt I am using 144hz 1080p right now
You are confusing it with hdmi 1.4
>>55254681
this
my monitors only have DL-DVI
and 1 DP->DL-DVI adapter is over $100
>>55261137
I'm using DL-DVI 1440p @ 128hz though
>>55255806
Alright this is the only semi correct post.
The DVI port is kept to maintain backwards compatibility with VGA.
EXCEPT
NVIDIA ARE A BUNCH OF RETARDS AND THAT'S A DIGITAL ONLY PORT
Way to go
>>55260865
dp > dvi > hdmi
>>55255588
DVI can do at least 96Hz on 2560x1440 just fine if as long as your cable isn't absurdly long and properly shielded. you might have to tweak your video card drivers to allow for a higher pixel clock than 350MHz to achieve that though.
>gook monitor
>need 60hz 2560x1440
>active dual link dvi converters are 100 bux
Fuckin reference cards
Also if you're only doing 60hz you can just buy one of these for your gook monitors.
https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042806&p_id=12784
Dunno about the guy in the comments, works for me.
>>55254608
What the fuck where's my VGA port? Not even DVI-I. Fucking dropped.
>>55259531
Literally going to buy a second one as a display piece it's fucking beautiful
>>55254608
Umm are you new? DVI was the best for a long time and is still relevant and capable of 1440p 120hz or probably even more.
>>55254968
He said buy a decent monitor. In all my experience any $300+ monitor comes with ALL of the cables to drive it.
>>55263970
>1440p 120hz
god damn poorfags, you are the ones holding technology back
>>55255001
Actually it has 3 Display Ports and an HDMI
>>55254608
>caring about DVI
You may as well be bitching that there's no VGA or S-Video out either.
>>55255298
>fuck ps/2
Without ps/2 is makes it really difficult to install Windows 7 on new skylake systems.
