Tell me /g/,
Why the fuck would you want to waste 4 years of your life (and tens of thousand of dollars) getting a CS degree when you can go to a coding boot camp, spend 6 months coding, get a job right out of the camp, and then learn on the job and get fucking paid for it?
pls do tell.
>>55069861
code-monkey != programmer
Not defending college per se, but there's more to it than learning grade-school logic and syntax, anon. Anyone can learn to code, but not everyone can learn to do so well.
>>55069896
these fucking boot camps have better hiring stats than CS schools.
>>55069906
>99% hire rate
>2% of those hires were in the tech field
>97% of those hires are for a high turnover minimum wage job in a warehouse through a temp agency
lol anyone who went to a real cs school and likes the subject wouldn't have "wasted 4 yrs" there. Seems like your projecting
>>55069861
there's no need to go to college if you have low aspirations, op. it's okay, really.
>>55069972
What does his projecting seem like? You didn't finish your sentence.
>>55069861
CS should not even be a college degree. You don't go to college to become a truck driver or barber.
>>55070023
idk perhaps he failed out of a cs program and reconciled his failure by believing that it was worthless to begin with
>i literally knew nothing about computer science
>>55070058
What's the problem? Are people only allowed to learn things they already know?
>>55070053
In my country you have to....
>>55069861
>this
>>55069944
+ Higher pay even if you are not the better programmer
Easier to get a job with no experience but with a cs degree. Pretty tough without a degree unless you have a ton of experience
>>55069861
I've wasted a fucking year learning gayass calculus and shit for my cs degree, said fuck it, and got myself a job as a web developer.
>>55069861
>pls do tell.
So that you don't make mistakes like using "r" instead of "rb" as a mode string when opening a file in your python program, inadvertently breaking file transfers between different OSs with different line endings in your "universal" system management application, badly enough to the point where you admit you can't fix it because you don't know all the places where it would need to be corrected.
t. saltstack bugs
>>55069906
>>55069896
CS is not programming you spergs
it is a theoretical academic field
>>55070460
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
You're a fucking moron. Unless you're doing Theoretical Computer Science or doing CS in a Top 50 university you're doing a shitty Code-Monkey degree.
>>55070496
It should be me laughing (or alternatively crying) at US meme colleges treating CS like SE
Iam happy with my degree
>>55070526
It's the same shit everywhere dumbo. Being a retarded poo in loo code monkey is a marketable skill unlike theoretical computer science. Shameful really. But go enjoy making shitty computer programs while us maths students develop the new computer science theory ;)
>>55070558
you sure seem defensive about this anon
did a loo touch you in a bad place without washing his hands first?
enjoy your topology ringjerk while us ai researches do the real stuff
>>55070664
You CS mongoloids don't have the mental capacity to make any advancements in AI.
>>55069861
spent 5 years at Uni doing both CS engineer and masters for free.
Best 5 years of my year.
gratuated, went to job, 1st interview hired because fucking masters and some theoretical knowledge (degree gives u at least some glance at technology evne if you don't care about learning).
But ye, sure, go to your 'code academy' I heard there are also online tutorials which even allow you to print a diploma.
Do you think I'll get a codemonkey job (with "software engineering" as the title would be good) with a double degree in IT and electrical engineering?
It's the closest I can get to a degree in comp. sci or software engineering.
>>55070744
I'd say you're better off doing mathematics and IT. Maybe just mathematics and learning the basics of many programming paradigms, and a couple different languages and get to know at least one very fluently.
>>55070769
I'd be swapping into the degree from another engineering course, so I'd save 2 years on the degree.
I hate electrical with a passion, but I might as well get the degree anyway.
If I'd known that I'd get hired with a maths degree I would have done that. I already have a decent portfolio of shit in a number with a number of languages, just no degree.
>>55070800
You can't just switch directly to CS?
>>55070558
>finish math PhD
>only job available is high school teacher
>>55070972
Not offered at the university I'm attending. Next uni is fucking forever away and would cost too much to attend.
>>55071055
That's strange but in your I would talk to an advisor and see your best option on how to move forward you really just need to get your foot in the door so to speak so just finish your degree find a job as a software engineer and then just build off work experience. I'm sure you'll be able to do it I mean EE isn't exactly CS but it's not like it's fucking gender studies i'm sure if you look into you'll find a path.
Coding! = CS
>>55070744
IT and electrical engineering sounds like a pretty good combo desu.
You could get a comfy systems dev job.
>>55070344
>he can't even into calculus
>even people hundreds of years ago could into calculus
>>55069906
Okay but wouldn't entry into the boot camp be vetted anyway?
I work, and can't afford to do a 4 year degree.
I can afford to get a 2 year degree in "Computer Programming."
Would such a thing even be worth it?
>>55071085
I don't even have anyone I could talk to. The only decent software-oriented lecturer got fired last semester. It's a godawful university.
>>55071085
>>55071105
Thanks for the advice. I'll more than likely swap into it.
>>55071153
>I can afford to get a 2 year degree in "Computer Programming."
no
what's /g/'s verdict on this degree?
https://www.qut.edu.au/study/international-courses/bachelor-of-information-technology/bachelor-of-information-technology-computer-science
>>55071188
Can you not get into UQ?
>>55071156
What are you swapping in from?
If you didn't have a iq of 100 you would learn languages on your own and not have to go to either.
>>55069861
>tens of thousands of dollars
The US of A everyone
I started CompSci 4 years ago but was so bored after the first semester I took a full-time job in a web startup in parallel.
I just attended my final project presentations yesterday and have pretty much wrapped uni (just waiting on some results), but because I've been working full-time (now in my 4th job in the industry, in a famous company) I'm probably in a much better position than any of my peers who just went to school or did a coding bootcamp. (I don't know a lot of the latter, they weren't as popular 4 years ago)
Then again I should be grateful for my priviledge/foresight because I started learning the right tech in my spare time in High School and using it to build side projects, and that's what got me a full-time job in the first place.
I wouldn't say school taught me anything and the degree I'll get soon probably won't affect anything wrt my actual job performance, but it's likely to influence hiring prospects wrt getting my foot in the door with certain companies.
>hire someone fresh from a bootcamp
>don't know what an API is
fuck off
>coding
>CS
>muh memes
It's like no one ITT actually builds real quality software day to day
>>55071216
UQ's that much better, huh?
nobody is taking CS because they want to learn to write software.
That is like taking an english major to write a blogpost
>>55069861
>Going to college to be a programmer
Americans everyone!
>>55069861
> tens of thousand of dollars
Here's your problem, Murrika: higher education is so fucking expensive, you treat it like an investment with an expected return, so most of your universities (being businesses themselves) became fucking vocational schools teaching skills currently in demand by the business. Master of Science is supposed to be a master of fucking science, not a corporate-job-ready drone with a shitload of debt.
>>55071287
>grateful for your own effort
>own effort means privilege
Please just stop
>>55069861
>4 years for a bachelors
>tens of thousands of shekels
America, land of the free.
>>55072123
still better than your joke of a country
You forgot that we don't have vaginas so it's impossible.
>>55071841
I'm fairly sure UQ is more prestigious and more highly regarded in general
All these salty tears. I went to one of these schools and landed a job at Adobe. Beating 12 other applicants. I did better than CS graduates on the coding tests, which weren't fizzbuzz. Though if they'd asked me about something like graph traversal I would have been fucked. Thankfully those kinds of CS problems aren't even that useful in most jobs
>>55069861
>when you can go to a coding boot camp, spend 6 months coding, get a job right out of the camp, and then learn on the job and get fucking paid for it?
When a 6 month coding boot camp provides me with intricate knowledge of networking protocols and embedded system development, please let me know.
I'm a white male so I have to do it the hard way
Even then employment isn't guaranteed
>>55072826
network and embedded boot camp hexfile masters
>>55072893
>>55072826
>kernel koding with karlie kloss
>>55072913
hired
>>55069861
You're confused. CS is not a degree in programming. Programming is not the purpose of CS.
>>55072157
The only joke is that turd world shithole you call the USA. Can you be more pajeet-level?
>>55072963
Of course we can. We haven't even started reaching that level yet.
Can the Stanford grads please fuck off and stop making fun of people who are at least trying
All these poster people these coding bootcamps put up to show always have degrees from top universities in other fields. They make it seem like any random faggot off the street can just learn how to code and get a job at Google, when they only people they actually accept are Harvard and MIT graduates. Really makes you think.
>>55069861
The mixing and matching of all caps and non caps is triggering me.
>>55069861
Can you really call yourself an engineer without having an engineering degree in the states?
>>55069896
What makes a programmer then?
>>55070344
Calculus is fucking trivial
>>55071258
Rather that than getting cucked by the taxman the rest of my life
Are you perhaps retarded anon?
>CS at top 10 technology school
>not retarded enough to get anything less than B's
>any job I apply to, HR fags consider me a better candidate than my coding camp counterparts
>higher ROI on my education cause median salary for grads from our college is 95k, if not 6 figures
>not to mention the fact that it's a public school and I don't get jewed out by the ivy meme
>>55073380
>go to college in USA
>have to spend thousands of dollars
>go to college in glorious Denmark
>don't have to pay a single cent
>>55073357
programmer can also design a good system. while code-monkey just knows how to type up the code. its like the difference of a architect(programmer) and a carpenter(code monkey)
>>55073449
>what are taxes?
Besides Denmark doesn't even have any good colleges
Besides CS salaries are shit in Denmark anyway
Maybe it would work if I was a woman. 300K starting.
>>55069861
>Im literally retarded and got a job a google for doing nothing more than being born with a vagina
The poor oppressed women.
>>55073380
>Rather that than getting cucked by the taxman the rest of my life
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>pay thousands of dollars for college
>oh shit, can't afford it, better take a loan
>can't pay it back cause the job market is starting to lean towards cheaper immigrant labor/outsourcing
>realize you were cucked by the kike bankers as well as the college meme
>settle for a 50k job, which ain't shit cause about half of that is groceries anyway, before taxes
>lose about 25-30% of your income to the federal and state governments
>realise that you're getting cucked by the military industrial complex
>you're paying for Medicare and Medicaid, but those are gonna be abolished cause muh socialism big bad
>can't justify paying taxes other than "I'm a good amerigan dis is our civic doody"
>meanwhile corporations get away with tax evasion and the government still wages war on people living in mud huts for their oil
>>55073449
Fucking retard.
>>55069861
>>55069861
Because muh computational theory
Because muh discrete mathematics
Because muh complexity
Because muh career progression beyond code monkey
>>55069861
CS is not webdev
webdev is retarded babby shit while CS is an academic field, which when studied gives you a good understanding of the theory of computation and related subjects. It's infinitely more advanced that silly coding bootcamps that just teach a programming language and nothing more.
Compare with e.g. learning just French vs studying French language, culture, history and basically learning everything about the country.
Just being able to read and write a language does not make you an expert in the respective field.
>be woman
>have vagina
>learn intro to comp sci
>make website using wordpress
>get hired by Google so they can fill in their gender inequality quotas
Feels good being a Woman Computer Scientist in 2016 :^)
>>55069861
Because you get paid more in a position that requires CS degree
>>55073271
Confirmed. LinkedIn tells me the woman in op's pic has an MEd from Harvard.
>>55070558
>>maths
Ah you're British, that's why you have a chip on your shoulder. Don't worry man I'm sure you country will be relevant again..... maybe.
What should I major in if I want to do cyber-security/pen testing?
>>55071294
I'm 5 weeks into a bootcamp and even I know what an API is.
>>55072123
>>55072157
Not really, would take 3 years and no cost here
>>55069861
Because the stallmanites with their negative social skills are beyond salvation. Therefore it's better to train some with a minimum of bedside manners
College > Bootcamp >> University CS degree
That's why I'm doing a math degree (24yo and still in first year of undergrad...).
>French high school sucks
>>55077239
This doesn't make any sense, even if you had used inverted meme arrows.
>>55069861
>learn CS on the job
>implying a worker at the conveyor in a car factory learns anything about how cars are designed
>>55077239
>College
>not the same as University
Is this a European thing?
In America, all higher education is called college. Shitty, cheap colleges are called community college.
Yeah, places like Harvard have university in the name, but they're still called college.
Because I wanted to learn CS.
>>55073467
The education isn't bad, the salaries and taxes afterwards are though.
>>55077418
I always thought that was an American thing. Here in Germany, it's just called 'Universität'.
What do you use the word 'university' for then?
>>55069861
Because that degree is more important than the fact that you actually got an education in the field.
Most employers just want to see the degree before anything, they don't necessarily care if you know what you are doing or not.
tl;dr the degree gets your foot in the door.
>>55069906
maybe, but your employment options are far greater than a code monkey with a college degree
>>55077690
"University" is the word for university.
But in conversation, there's no difference between "college" and "university".
So I'm guessing your next question would be something like, "how do you differentiate between a good college and a shitty one?"
It's mainly based on how well known the place is, or how hard it is to get into the college.
>>55069906
CS and SE students from my university has an unemployment rate of 1.5%.
Some of those unemployed students even said no to jobs because they wanted to wait for a job at Google, Oracle or Microsoft.
>>55069861
because i didnt have to pay for it, got to be lazy for 5 years, had the time of my life and still have contact with tons of friends from there. Also my lecturer recruited me for a job straight out of class.
is that good enough for you?>
>>55075515
>Irrelevant
>Brexit possibility gets all the other countries assblasted
Uh huh
>>55070344
> web developer
kek
>>55069861
Tell me /g/,
Why the fuck would you want to waste 4 years of your life (And tens of thousands of dollars) getting a rocket engineering degree when you can go to your school staffing office, spend a day swiping the floor and cleaning dirt, get a job right out of high school, and then learn on the job and get fucking paid for it?
pls do tell.
>>55077690
A university is a collection of colleges.
Because I want to learn about computer science, not how to pump out shitty code at a dead end job.
>>55070344
>web designer
>the short bus of programming
>>55070344
We're talking about programming here, not web development.
>>55078753
kek
>>55070978
You fucked up somewhere along the way.
>>55070558
you seem upset
I have a question
Should I go for the math degree if I want to go into AI research?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and CS, or Informatics, as it's called here, really seems like a waste of time, since I can learn all the interesting things by myself and continue doing so as a hobby.
Thanks gee
>>55079208
Most people in ML are from a CS background, though the second largest demographic is from statistics. The last big demographic is physics.
>>55070053
underrated
>>55073485
/thread
>>55077418
In the netherlands we have 3 sorts of education after high school:
- MBO: vocational education (comparable to community college I guess) for the less gifted people.
- HBO: "university" of professional education / applied science. Not really a 1-1 equivalent as far as I know. Probably called something like college or polytechnic shit in the US. I dunno.
- Universiteit: University of science. The real academic deal. Compare with Harvard/MIT/ whatever. University of Technology also falls in this category regarding level of education.
>>55079590
Why do your bike cops look like jihadists ?
>>55079702
what do you mean?
>>55075211
better yet, she said she knew nothing about computer science yet has this in her linkedin:
>- Coded 2 surveys using the PEBL programming language (based off C++). One had plans to be published by the creator of PEBL in a future iteration of his next execution environment, which is gaining popularity among psychological research labs. To date, PEBL has been downloaded more than 100,000 times.
>Always believed I deserved a good career
>Never worked hard enough
>Now have a shit job and my boss is 6 years younger than me
Nothing is given.
>>55069896
Yeah, thank god real people with brains actually have to attend college e.g. engineers
If this shit started to pop up for EE, I'd be terribly concerned
>CODING != CS
>COMPUTER SCIENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMPUTERS
>IT'S ALL MATH AND ALGORITHMS
>go to cs
>every class forces you to use unix and emacs
>every assignment has instructions for linux, mac and unix, but never for windows
>IDE's are for plebs
>you need to show you've memorized emacs commands to pass classes
>your project partner will try to force you to install vim
>"why are you using a mouse lol?"
>>55070344
Haha, once you pass Calc I, you wish you had it as easy as integrals.
Circuit and signals programming made me want to die. I barely scraped an A because I spent a disproportionate amount of hours in the library. But now I can do convex optimization like it's nobody's daddy
>>55080120
>I barely scraped an A
wow was it that hard?
>>55073568
But CS is a joke, you can learn everything on your own
Yes even the math and data stuff
>>55080240
t. pajeet
>>55080240
Perhaps. But you need a lot of determination and discipline to do it all on your own. And it will be much harder. It's more convenient to be actively taught something by somebody with knowledge in the field than to learn it all from books. That's not to say you can't learn anything from books.
Personally, I would not have been able to learn the shit I did in university if I would have had to learn it purely from books without any lectures, guided exercises (with help available if I didn't understand something) and carefully set up practical assignments. Plus, being challenged and assessed by external factors (i.e. teachers) is in my opinion better than doing that yourself, as people have a tendency to think they reached a level of understanding before ACTUALLY reaching that level when studying on their own.
I wouldn't say CS in general is a joke, although it seems that some colleges do have a shitty CS program due to code monkey memes. Has nothing to do with the academic field itself, nor the people that graduate from a good school.
are you visibly disgruntled?
>>55069861
...because I wanted to learn how computers work and how people use them? Turns out with one of those degrees for those reasons you don't have to get a job with the likes of /g/ mouthbreathers. OP is ignorant, and most likely unemployable.
>>55070496
Kek jokes on you. Feels good doing cs at a top 15 university.
>>55080473
The only thing the professors do is tell you what books to get and give you assignments.
The actual learning you do is done on your own, through research. You don't actually learn anything from a professor. You're probably one of those people who ask meaningless questions to the teacher all the time during a lecture. You can google 99% of everything.
There are online lectures on youtube on any topic from pointers to diffuse lighting to binary search trees to object oriented programming. You just learn what you need to learn.
I did not mean that only CS is a joke, but university in general. Unless you're becoming a doctor or a lawyer where you actually need a diploma, uni is useless.
>>55070023
Learn english you dickbag. His sentence makes perfect sense.
From Wiki:
Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others
because life isn't all about money
>>55082570
your right
>>55082570
Please be bait
>>55071326
well, it's an anonymous board
did you really think it would be different?
What are peoples opinions on degrees in Computer Forensics & Security? It seems like an interesting field but is there much point in doing a degree in it?
>>55073291
Nope, but it doesn't stop me trying. Incidentally I hate applying the term engineer to software development. It's not fucking engineering, it's mostly futzing around with code and trying to do a good job of it.
Programming != Computer Science
Software Engineering != Computer Science
Code Monkeys != Computer Scientists
get a fucking clue
>>55082940
if you have a degree in it, it's basically a certification that you have no idea wtf you're doing
>>55078143
There was upheaval about Scotland leaving your inbred rock yet it didn't make those druggie cunts any more relevant
>>55082996
>>55082940
Hit the nail right on the head
The field changes so quickly that basically everything you're learning has been obsolete for years
You're giving up a lot of job security if you don't have a degree. What I mean by that is if you go the bootcamp route the main people that are going to hire you are either A. going to use you as a code monkey or B. are startups that could go under tomorrow. Most solidified tech companies that have good security are going to require a degree. And those that don't your chance of beating the competition and getting in are slim to none.
Because I make a hundred thousand dollars more annually than those code monkey Pajeets.
fuck I hate these threads they make me feel bad about my choices and I haven't even started college yet
>>55071090
coding != CS?
>>55083507
Are u me? /g/ has only crushed my hopes and dreams about working in tech
OP is that faggot from Denmark who dropped out of CS because he couldn't handle the math. I'd rather be a unemployed CS graduate than an uneducated boot camp fag without degree who can't into math. There's nothing worse than people who can't into math.
To all people who are about to finish high school here: don't listen to any of those losers. A degree is always better than no degree. They just try to drag you down with then (mostly subconsciously) because they didn't have the discipline or even mental capacity to finish a degree.
>>55072957
This thread, like this board, is a place where people reiterate meme ideas that have been circulating here for months, if not years.
Threads exactly like this one arent absent for more than a couple of days on this board. Even if everyone unanimously agrees that a CS degree is not tailored directly towards a single specific area, which you correctly point out, some random person will always steer the thread away from a logical and concise conclusion. Save your time and find a place where you can have intelligent, productive discussions.
>>55084554
This. Sometimes I forget I'm on 4chan.
>>55069861
I can tell you the company I work for would never even consider a boot camp person. If you dont have a degree we wont even interview
>>55084411
this
also use your time in college to develop social skills
they are more important than technical ones
>>55069861
nice coding buttcamp ad
>>55083023
Only Scotland were making a fuss about themselves leaving. No-one else over here cared.
>>55069861
Lol. There are no shortcuts in life, anon. You would likely fail my technical interviews.
>>55069861
>implyign someone after meme, framework teaching bootcamp will be able to help me at algorithm development
Also, I pretty liked my CS courses, so I do not consider these 4years as a waste.
>>55070978
Lel. The last math PhD I worked with made >400k a year. But you do have to choose the right *type* of math.
>>55072010
The top CS schools include at least as much theory and context as they do practice, per se. The difference translates to several multiples in compensation terms and much more interesting opportunities in general. They also tend to require enough of the liberal arts to make some sense of the broader world in the process. But it really depends on which university you attend.
>>55072508
Graph traversal is fucking trivial.
>>55075527
CS and take relevant electives, and/or infosec
>>55079208
>>55079288
Double in CS and math. Take ML-related electives for the CS side.
>>55072187
Protip: no one cares about what university you go to in Australia.
>>55082519
> pointers to diffuse lighting to binary search trees to object oriented programming
This is all freshman-level stuff. Exempting perhaps diffuse lighting I guess, if you're into graphics.
CS programs are for genuinely difficult things like compiler design, algorithms and data structures, complexity theory, operating systems engineering, cryptographic systems, convex optimization, distributed systems, performance engineering, etc.
It is simply not possible to cover this in 6 months. No matter how hard you work, MIT/CMU/Cal/Stanford undergrads will work at least as hard and for 8x longer (counting summer internships).
TANSTAFL.
>>55069861
>While taking the degree, I met with a woman at Google who informed me of open developer roles on her team that might be appropriate for someone very passionate, but who also didn’t have a CS degree and wanted a space to learn and grow while programming full time.
diversity hire
>>55069861
In Germany CS is actually pretty elitist at the big universities, don't know how it is in america.
>be me
>become a qa tester with no experience
>get promoted after 3 months
>earn more than front-end """devs"""
>haven't written a single line of code in my life
starting CE in autumn if i get accepted, feels fucking good
>>55086972
Not him, what kind of stuff do you ask?
>>55087008
So, anything that can be applied to financial modelling then?
>>55087211
what do "testers" even do
we had two contracted testers at my old job, and they both got fired because they started fighting
one was playing video games too loud the other dude got angry because he couldn't sleep on the job
>>55087644
I write software in that field.
The amount of money tossed around on exec/lead salaries is disgusting.
>>55069861
>Coding camp
Kek you will learn how to use your keyboard to type some random words and have no idea how does it works.
The truth is in applied maths. Calculus, discrete mathematics, linear algebra everything that a proper (software) engineer needs
>>55087665
Do you find it interesting? Aside from the Big Four there's always a buzz about people going into fintech, but what kind of software is actually written?
I wonder how much those coding camps really teach you, because programming itself can be hard if you don't have extra information like
>algorithms, data structures, big o notation
>at least some basic math like logic and set theory, maybe graph theory
>tcp/ip stack, at least the transport and application layers
>basics of database systems, how to avoid SQL injection etc
>possibly more
What you mention about wasting 4 years of your life is a common problem though.
In my country, you need to do some kinda 2-3 year job training for almost anything, even if you just want to work at a retirement home. It's ridiculous. I'd rather study 3 years of computer science and get a bachelor than to do a 3 year (academically inferior) job training as programmer. I think in the US, your equivalent for that would be an associate degree.
>>55087665
the amount of jelly you toss around is pleasing
>>55087918
> What you mention about wasting 4 years of your life is a common problem though.
Employers don't care, they actually *prefer* it if they know their staff was robust enough to work their asses off for four years in one of the more elite fields to study (yea yea, perhaps not in diploma mill USA - but I don't care, in many places the curriculum for the bachelor's degree is mostly like you are learning a maths degree and then the computer courses on top).
girl in the OP looks like one of my cousins.
She's an ugly bitch.
>>55069861
Computer Science != Programming you absolute morons
>>55070558
>300k starting
>any job i want
>>55069861
>Getting a CS course
>Not going For Computer EE +Network aplications
Are you for real?
>>55069861
>Web development
>literally code monkey with no understanding for anything
This picture is straight up beautiful, it sums up everything wrong with code monkey camps.
>>55069861
We told you so
>>55087744
I do risk analytics for investment firms. The code base is already there, but they always want new tools, tweaks to their old tools and new functionality. I can't really go too deeply into detail, but it's never a dull day in the office.
>>55087955
I mean. Not really? I make way more than enough to get by. Plus I've got four weeks paid vacation, two weeks sick leave, and dirt cheap insurance that's better than the shit people pay through the nose for.
Tell me guys, how do you cope with all your bitterness in a day to day life?
>>55088342
Self destruction, basically destroying my whole body with my life style.
Helps somewhat against being emotionally dead.
>>55087664
We test :^) It's like literally half of the development process. If only you'd know what kind of shit devs do on dev branches and insist we'd allow to go in prod.
>>55088342
It's an integral part of my personality.
I can't imagine being happy. Hell, I don't want to be happy.
While personally I agree that going to college is sort of a waste of time and money, it isn't because of these code camps.
When I graduated high school I immediately got a job in IT, at a local bank doing helpdesk shit. Then I tried to start doing online college since I could do it at work. I didn't qualify for financial aid of any sort, and couldn't afford it on my own. I got certifications instead. Now I've got A+, Network+, Security+, Linux+, RedHat RHCE, and CEH. The first four I got in four years, one per year, since if you get a new CompTIA cert it renews any of your others. So in the same time you'd be in college for a CS degree paying thousands of dollars, I got four certs that basically let me walk in anywhere, including the NOC at a Linux-only security company where the experience I gained was enough to get the last two certs.
College is a joke because certs are more valuable, cheaper, and faster if done properly. Other industries don't have the same options, artists or architects don't have the ability to skip schooling, we do.
>>55082519
>You can google 99% of everything
good luck doing that in an Operating Systems class, dipshit.
>>55069861
because in my country, you won't even get to an interview stage if you don't have that little fucking piece of paper that says you have a bachelors in computing
plus I've done mine just so I can do a masters in the field I'm really interested.
>>55069861
Tell me retard, why you think the science of computational theory is a programming discipline in the first place? You don't get a fucking math or physics degree to work as an engineer, why would this be different?
Very useful, taught me to think in a certain way. I wouldn't have been able to get a six fig job out of college without the career network offered by the school either.
>>55070023
>>55070054
>>55080058
>>55080552
>>55082519
>>55082606
fucking reddit shitting up the board I'm >>>/out/ until after summer
>>55070460
This
If you know anything about CS, you know that it doesn't need to have anything to do with programming. It just so happens that right now, programming languages are the best and most effective way to express the concepts of CS.
This could change.
>>55075515
Not if we leave the EU it won’t.
>>55077418
In the UK, a typical education goes like this:
- Primary school - age 4 to 11
- Secondary school (Get GCSE/BTEC qualifications) - age 11 to 16
- Sixth Form (get A Levels/BTEC in your secondary school) OR College (get A levels/BTEC in a separate institution) - ages 16 - 18 (Optional)
- University - ages 18+ - note: Oxford and Cambridge split their University across many Colleges (basically, many campuses) within their cities, but they’re still (obviously) post-sixth form/college education
So college in the UK means pre-Uni education, unless you’re attending Oxbridge.
I did a 3 month bootcamp(Hack Reactor) and make 130k/yr as a javascript/node consultant. I work fully remote from my home with a very low cost of living.
This is my first job after graduating, been here for a year now.
Everyone saying that you cant make a lot of money coming out of a bootcamp is deluding themselves. 6 figures was the average for someone graduating back when I attended.
CS is just a "check the block" at most places.
I work as a systems administrator at a very well paying company. Taught myself a majority of the stuff for this job. Honestly brain dumped most of the things from my CS degree. I could not code right now without a serious refresher.
>>55072010
Ayy lamo, do you even hear yourself, eurotrash? The world is also not a fucking Equestria with ponies and free shit. The United States is home to millions of private companies and they are the very foundation of capitalism and the US, unlike your shariah-law mudslime infested commie gubermint-held communas. So in order for any business to stay competitive and relevant, everything must cater to the needs of the business. So why don't you try living in the real world, not a socialist hugbox paid for by the US government giving you NATO protection, you sissy ass bitch?
>>55090751
Don't be so salty, my amerifat friend. I have nothing against vocational schools and the business of selling overpriced skill certificates to wanna-be-upper-middle-class faggots. Just don't call them universities, m'kay?
Tbqh, higher education is going to shit all over the (first) world, though.
> everything must cater to the needs of the business
Don't know if you realize it (because of your shit education and "muh freedom" delusion), but that's exactly why capitalism works best in authoritarian political systems, as proven by China, which will soon own both of our asses.
OP is having the fox with grapes complex.
>>55069861
Why wouldn't you instead learn to do good code and work for yourself?
adding my 2 pence because i've just finished a CS degree
What sounds more appealing?
1. spend 3 years interacting with asshole university people, being 'taught' things that could be learned instantly via a search engine, finish at the end with debt
or
2. instead spend the 3 years working within the industry, getting paid a salary and finishing these 3 years with both money and experience.
I'd also like to add, it's fucking impossible to know whether the professors expect you to go beyond what they have taught you when writing projects, or whether they want to see exactly what they taught to you and nothing extra.
I can't count the number of times I've been refused marks because I've either gone further than what they've taught and implemented something much better, or I've stuck exactly to the syllabus and recieve feedback like "you would have gained more marks if you had researched and gone above what I have taught"
Fuck university, anybody reading this don't end up like me - learn some code via google and apply for jobs that train you.
>>55091584
>he thinks education should be free
Full on commie cocksucker. That's not how economy works dumbass. You'll realize that once the US has cut all the military support.
>>55070078
its like saying "i had no interest in computer science". Surely if you pick a degree in something your interested in you would know something about it?
>>55091672
poo in loo
>>55091915
>education shouldn't be free
Well might as well fucking fling ourselves back into the fucking dark ages before the printing press was invented you fucking mongoloid nigger.
I'll never get this "education is good, but it should be exclusive to those who can afford it" argument. Knowledge is a God given right (not in the abrahamic sense, those sandniggers don't know shit). Humans are, as far as we know, the only intelligent thing in the universe, therefore it would only behoove us to share information and knowledge amongst ourselves.
>>55089979
>>55070460
You're right, but at almost every university a CS degree is really a software engineering degree and people hire you for the degree based on that
>>55070744
Could you do a computer engineering degree?
>>55092075
Top kek. The world isn't in dark ages because knowledge and skill were applied to build shit, but in order to build shit you first need to pay for shit. Everything has a price. Knowledge isn't your right. Nobody owes you anything, including knowledge. I fail to understand commies like you who don't realize there's no such thing as free shit, because someone always pays for it, no matter how 'free' you think it is.
>>55072015
The damn liberals are poisoning his mind.
>>55071287
YOU EARNED WHAT YOU HAVE, BE PROUD.
>>55092144
>make education free
>leads to a greater information flow
>more knowledge among more people
>they compete to build better things at lower prices
>cheaper/better ideas are funded
>those ideas are brought to life
>win-win for everyone
You sound kinda stupid.
>>55092144
idk dude what about in the future when machines perform the majority of jobs
the only people with money would be the owners of the machines
I think things like universal basic income are going to have to happen at some point, no matter how much u cry about dem commies
>>55069861
Why the fuck would you want to waste years of your life learning to be a carpenter when you can apply at Ikea, spend a few days training to put together shelving, and then learn on the job and get fucking paid for it?
>>55092186
Nigga, there ain't nothing wrong reading books on your own, but I don't see libraries being packed with urban youth or free education websites' visiting skyrocketing. They'd much rather party or smoke pot. You sound more and more out of touch with reality.
>>55092232
Those people weren't gonna take advantage of it anyway. I'm talking about poor people bent on bettering themselves.
>>55092232
libraries are free to use are they not? god damn MOTHERFUCKING COMMUNISTS
>>55092252
It's called FREEDOM. You can read whatever you want.
>>55092248
>poor people bent on bettering themselves.
Such imaginary people don't exist fampie.
>>55069861
Oh look, another motivationcuck projecting.
>>55070097
>>55070053
College = scam
>>55092272
>You can read whatever you want
>but you can't get education free of cost
I suppose K-12 should also cost people money then.
>inb4 hurr taxes pay for it tho
>inb4 i was merely pretending
>inb4 fell for the b8
>inb4 fags can't inb4
>>55073542
>>55073380
Retard alert
>>55071090
so what you're saing is
CS = Coding!
>>55092329
>but you can't get education free of cost
Obviously, because just because reading a book doesn't make you a professional in the field and doesn't give you hands-on, real life experience, so in order to get that you need to go to college and pay for it, because professors aren't going to work for free like jannies on 4chins.
>>55091915
> Full on commie cocksucker.
I like how brainwashed Amerifats use the word "commie" as an insult, even though none of them ever read a single fucking book, let alone Marx.
> That's not how economy works dumbass.
I wasn't talking about economy, you twat. I was talking about selling business skill certificates as "Master of SCIENCE" diplomas.
> once the US has cut all the military support
Yeah, thanks for your support in the numerous wars we've constantly been involved in with all those countries that hate our fucking guts. Oh, wait...
>>55092455
#feelthebern
Because I'm not paying for it.
Also, college is fun. Why would I want to go straight from high school to working full-time?
> Be an average code-monkey, who can get his job done
> Do shitty games on javascript
> Earn enough respect from employer to escalate my career up to PM + Senior Software Developer
> Participate in recruitment
> Get paid high enough to live my satisfying consumerist life
Unless you actually invent something, your self-proclaimed 'programmer' status doesn't make any difference from a 'code-monkey'.
Degree in CS will give you benefits in recruitment.
Time to wake up, pajeet.
>>55069861
>tens of thousands of dollars
Lol not up here m8
![[Coalgirls]_Cardcaptor_Sakura_52_(960x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[BB49DFC4].mkv_001832.221.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1pjGLy3.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Cardcaptor_Sakura_52_(960x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[BB49DFC4].mkv_001832.221.jpg")
I just graduated. How do I get a fucking job with only BSCS on my resume which I haven't actually written yet?
>>55069906
It's literally wage slave factory work pumping out shitty template websites.
http://devcoursework.is/
hack reactor course work
>>55095262
You should have done internships. But don't be afraid, there are still plenty of jobs out there that you can apply to and probably get. Just don't be stuck up and think only about the sexy jobs out there.
>>55095974
I swear if I did an internship, my grades would have tanked. Also, I was sharing a car with my sister so I never really had transportation anyway.
Hey, what GPA should I write down on my resume? After I transferred to university I kept a 3.626, but only had a 3.28 overall.
>>55069861
University is not just about acquiring knowledge. It is also about learning to organize yourself, to learn learning itself and to get contacts/your foot in the door. But of course it's not for everyone.
>>55070978
if you cant get a good job with a math PhD I don't know what to tell you
>>55073542
>free education, scratch that actually payed for being in school
>move to US once done with school for work
>????
>>55092455
I've read Marx, that's why I hate communism so much
I actually understand it, unlike you and your #resistcapitalism bernie supporting friends
>>55070460
>He couldn't get into a top 50 school
Who's the real moron here?
>>55070344
>Web Developer
>Dull job and poor pay
Turns out "gayass calculus" is something you need in a field that's basically an extension of mathematics. You literally confirmed >>55069896 without trying.
>>55073502
>>55075600
USA:
>Want to go to college
>Know how much it costs
>Make informed decision to either take loans, pay upfront, or not go
Europe:
>Government takes your money to put other people through college no matter what
>Taxed your whole life
>No choice about how much to spend
>Government probably takes more from you over your lifetime than what it would have cost to pay for yourself
Come on anon, don't be a retard.
>in my first CS class right now
>C Programming
>Working with Visual Studio
>Guy in class complaining that his version doesn't have "C Hashtag"
>This is the future I chose
>>55097845
>hashtag
>>55097845
same guy just asked about "developer mode" on websites, asking if it lets him change their website.
This isn't even relevant to the course or what we are talking about in any way.
Also the same guy that said he learned how to write Python from an iPhone app.
Are these the people I will be working with in the future?
>>55087665
Being currently enrolled for SE, should I switch to business informatics?
>>55098068
No those are the people who'll be dropping out before the end of the year.
>>55070053
>comparing a truck driver or barber to a professional.
Wew Lad.
>>55070344
Sounds like calc 2 kicked your ass. We understand Anon. You don't have to front like it was a choice though.
>>55089809
Assuming developing pintos falls under that you can still look everything up.
>>55069861
>This position requires a Bachelor's Degree
B-but CS is worthless! /g/ told me it is!
>>55098068
>same guy just asked about "developer mode" on websites, asking if it lets him change their website.
>>55069861
sorry you didn't get into university OP
>>55071110
Yeah, they created it idiot. You're implying it would be harder for them to grasp it?
>>55073463
This is a great analogy.
>>55069861
>and tens of thousand of dollars
lmao americucks
>>55078660
You really haven't lived life. I'll let you in on a secret. "Shortcuts are the devil".
>>55069861
yea i fell for the meme
i didn't end up liking coding all that much, although it seemed i was slightly better at getting my assignments done than my peers (but i doubt that means much to be honest)
wish i just stopped after getting my associates at community college instead of going on for my bachelors
