Worked at multiple big tech companies (think - IBM, INTC, MSFT, ORCL, CSCO, etc) in "core product" R&D
>Nobody cares about editors
>Nobody cares about desktop environments
>Nobody cares about languages
>Nobody has outside projects (in fact, outside projects generally disallowed)
>All normal, well adjusted, people with significant others, kids, houses, outdoor hobbies
>Very few gamer types
>Very few GNU/Linux users, and usually Ubuntu / Fedora
>Everybody getting shit done all day everyday so you can waste your life arguing about it on /g/.
Enjoy your computer janitor jobs, aspies.
>>54987983
>outside projects generally disallowed
You're not allowed to write your own software on your own time?
Sorry, you must have been working in dumbfuck phone support or some shit where they put all the dumb people, because I've held REAL tech jobs at major companies, EVERYONE cares about editors, DEs, languages, everyone has their own projects, gamers everywhere, mostly GNU users (and some Applefucks, but they're weird) because Microsoft is hated among non-normiefucks, and we STILL get shit done all goddamn day.
>outside projects generally disallowed
damn op I bet you also let your boss have your gf on the weekends. cucked as fuck.
>>54988074
Most companies have a clause in the R&D employee contract to the effect of "any sort of engineering work you do, on or off our time, is the property of the company (unless it isn't - like for work you do for the company involving GNU sources)". I've worked for a couple which expressly forbade committing to GitHub project or running a blog / website of your own which may discuss engineering topics.
>>54988141
It's your fault for agreeing to such terms.
If you were actually valuable to them, you could get them to remove the clause during negotiations.
Mixing of home and work life is absolutely deplorable.
>>54988074
At Google we have to get permission. It's usually pretty easy though.
>>54987983
hobbies and interests are bad, m'kay?
>>54988175
I have no reason to believe that you actually worked at google, you dumb sperg,
>>54987983
nobody cares what you have to say here, either
>ORCL, CSCO
>Everybody getting shit done all day
what
>>54988187
That's because I still do work there.
>>54988203
right
>>54988161
lol, deluded prima donna
>>54988203
moot?
>>54988175
Google encourages people to work on their own projects by default. You're a fucking 18 year old idiot pretending you work at Google to get attention. Fuck off.
>>54988227
im not even that guy but who the fuck peed in your wheaties this morning
>>54988233
???
OP is right. Serious, high-skill STEM jobs are full of people without severe mental illness. Autism may guarantee you an above average chance of having an above average IQ score, but all around, you're an idiot. Human creativity does not exist in a void, and a regular well rounded human being has a creative advantage over an aspie because they naturally seek out and retain wider variety of information - USEFUL, primary information, while aspies are normally obsessed with a narrow subset of meta crap created by other humans andor aspies. The closest to aspie high level STEM professionals get is being a little weird about computer user interfaces and programming conventions, but that's like a successful automotive engineer having a strong opinion on dog leg shift patterns.
Autism is a form of mental retardation.
>>54988107
>meanwhile in the dev monkey section
>>54988175
Intel and Microsoft were the same.
I have a buddy who ended up working for Lincoln Labs and they were ultra strict, down the asking you to not use social media to discuss anything engineering or work related (but then again, there's some DoD classified shit ithere).
>>54987983
When I worked at Optum contractors would complain during their first week about how we used IntelliJ instead of Eclipse but after that first week they stopped caring and just did their job.
>>54987983
>I am a soulless corporate bitch.
cool
>>54988241
Uhhh hardly anyone ever does really. The whole 20% thing is silly. I also wasn't even looking for attention. I was just answering someone's question.
>>54988262
is this you?
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/S54828094#p54828953
>>54988251
he's a short, ugly lower class pleb with zero quals that has to take the first job he can get calling you a rich and handsome man who has the liberty to choose
>>54988276
Better than being a soulful NEET.
>>54988304
????
>>54987983
Have you been to thier ops sections? That is were the people you speak of live. Also they run all of your servers that you code farm on.
what do you need to work on a company like that, knowledge-wise? do i need to specialize in something? i think i'm an okay programmer all-around. i think i could do a lot of good in a small company, which is what i'm doing right now. but i don't know much about software engineering and i'm not an specialist on anything. i'm trying to become good with numerical methods and statistics though, but it's going to be a while until i become an expert at it, if i ever do
>>54988312
NEETs have more time to enjoy their life, this is a fact.
>>54988175
Fuck off moot
>who?
>>54988293
No, I don't buy into pop sci "sexy people r smrt" trash.
The correlations range from slight to insignificant and it really doesn't matter unless you're a literal midget with a face that looks like it's melting off. Don't even bother, you'd make better judgements if you guessed who liked the occasional dildo and who didn't based off digit ratios.
>>54988324
Yeah but they don't actually enjoy it because being broke and directionless isn't actually all that fun.
>>54988346
You're a wageslave tho.
>>54988346
you'll never understand their love for anime and tiling WMs anon
quit while you're ahead
>>54988346
better than toiling away under fucking oracle doing god knows what
>>54988320
I'm not OP, but usually a lot of programmers don't know if they're just starting out. Or you learn on the job if you're entry. Obviously specialization is always a good thing.
>>54988367
>t. toiling away under hiroshima making shitposts
>>54988262
So, are you saying that, by having Aspergers, my life has been pretty much doomed to begin with?
>>54987983
I work at the NSA in the Special Source Operations division
and 90% my colleagues have riced out anime desktops
Is /g/ retarded? A SHITLOAD of people work at Google, apple, IBM, Intel. I'm sure there's a significant amount of them that browse /g/ so there's no real reason for someone to lie about it. It's really nothing remarkable. Further than that, these types of clauses are the norm. If you want to go pro se go ahead. But you won't be getting a professional job. These terms are non negotiable and conditional of employment. They also often allow outside projects with permission.
>>54988370
Yea, OP here. I think the majority of skills which make me marketable today are things which cannot be learned in school, or from any online source. A lot of what you will learn at major "apex" tech companies will be confidential / proprietary ecosystems (like for me, a lot of hardware internals).
I think what the majority of big companies today are looking for in an entry level candidate is the same sort of stuff top universities look for in an applicant, except at the college instead of highschool level. I.e good grades, lots of extra-currics, outside projects, something novel you did, internships, an interesting story, etc, and for you to be a "good interviewee" (i.e. free of obvious personality defect / mental illness). So, the sort of stuff wasting your time on /g/ wont help with (in fact is probably a detriment to...)
>>54988402
where do you think you are
>>54988449
>field is full of norps because they exclude non-norps on purpose, not because they can't do the job
oh okay
day of the rope etc etc
>>54987983
>>Everybody enduring worthless administrative paperwork and soul-destroying technical minutiae all day everyday so you can waste your life arguing about it on /g/.
FTFY OP
>>54988449
I think having that good looking "University CV" type resume is really what gets you past the HR front desk at these "big 50" tech companies. Being pro in obscure language and style X and having written an interpreter for it in brainfuck in it is super cool if you're applying to a place that has like, 15 employees and the person who is reading your resume is the guy who founded the company, but it's pretty worthless (in fact a bit of a turn-off) if you're trying to get on at say, Intel. Even when dealing with a product dev recruiter (who often has an engineering background), they're much more interested in like, that research conference you got flown to in another country to present at or that academic award you won. Because that stuff is more quantifiable, you can fact-check that, and it shows prior success working within *organizations* and with other people, not just nuttin' off on your own.
I know this isn't the shit disgruntled aspie NEETs want to hear, but if you can't function and be happy within a society, you're always going to be fucked.
If you do something for your job, generally you don't want to have it as a hobby.
>>54988680
>wanting to be in society
By definition, only a fascist could want that.
>>54988141
shit like this is why programmers need a union or guild
>>54988932
companies can just fire devs who threaten to unionize
>>54988932
If devs unionize and become lazy and expensive just like other unions, companies will have even more reason to hire pajeets.
>>54988932
This isn't exclusive to programming.
My professor worked at National Semiconductor as an EE and they made him sign the same kind of thing. They let him mess around in the labs though whenever it was slow. He ended up patenting some egg incubator thing, for his own hobbies. It's not always a bad thing.
AAA game dev in SoCal here, everyone uses Visual Studio on Win7 and doesn't give a fuck. One guy has a bunch of plugins to make VS look like Sublime and everyone relentlessly ribs him about it.
>>54988944
that's always the case when labor organizes
>>54988950
the union can push for tariffs on outsourced IT services
>>54988963
natsemi was a special company. others would have sued him for the patent
>>54988175
>>54988141
pretty sure thats illegal/void in europoorland
>>54989049
While games are fun, and gaming is a valid use for a computer, Windows simply almost isn't used for science or math.
>>54988274
>get handed the best tool there is
>complain you want a slow, buggy, dumb and useless mockery instead
FWIW, I'm OP, and this is the first time I've posted to 4chan in about 4 years. Just thought I'd let you know what a bunch of broken fucktards you seem like, now having seen and experienced and been involved with the primary production of a lot of the crap you are only consumers and spectators of.
>>54989077
>gaming is a valid use for a computer
>>>/v/
>>54989101
>completely disregarding Deep Blue and AlphaGo
:-DDDDD
>>54989077
I don't know what your statement has to do with this thread, it's difficult to imagine that MSFT and ORCL aren't using Windows in "core product" R&D. When I worked at AMD, lab workstations were evenly split between Win2k and Solaris depending on the equipment they were hooked up to.
>>54989100
Conversely, it seems like the only thing you've found in your ivory tower is miserable antagonism and a perverse need to descend back to the unwashed masses. I suspect that for all your alleged successes, you're still the outsider and that's why you're here tonight.
>>54989151
I said science and math, not engineering.
Are those companies doing anything unrelated to selling widgets? No.
>>54988680
so there is no hope?
>>54989185
haha
>>54989207
haha
>>54989198
Not necessarily. Maybe not at entry level, but get quantifiable experience at a smaller, edgier, company that does care about your brianfuck interpreter and then use that to apply to a bigger company (or get acquired).
>>54988074
Correct. They don't want you using shit you learn working for them to make a competing product, basically. If you are already working on something before you get hired, you have to declare it in your contract beforeyou are hired.
those aren't mountains
>>54987983
Is that why some of these top new grads that land some of these R&D jobs, quit after a few years to join startups, saying there's no 'product development'?
>>54989348
>people intentionally choose to become wageslaves
How can people be so shallow and careless?
>>54989274
that would take years
>>54988241
>>54988187
He's right, technically Google owns the copyright to things you write while employed with them, or at least could contest the copyright. If you don't want to publish the personal code while you still work for them, no one will care / catch you. It is impossible to enforce.
There are three processes for releasing your code outside Google.
One is IARC (Invention Assignment and Review Committee). This is a process for you to request that Google formally disclaim ownership of an idea. For you to get something through IARC, it needs to not compete with Google, and it needs to not be based on internal / confidential systems. Ie, IARC won't approve a video hosting site since it competes with YouTube, and they wouldn't approve a database project that's a straight up copy of some novel propriety database Google uses internally.
Second is Google OSS. With this, Google will own the copyright to your idea, but will release it with a permissive open source license (Apache iirc?), with a Google CLA. That means Google is free to do whatever they want with the code, since they own the copyright, but after you leave you can still fork the project like any permissive open source licensed project and accept contributions without the CLA. This is how the stuff on the Google GitHub org is released.
The final way is approval to contribute to a third party open source project (something Google doesn't own the copyright for). They can either approve patch-by-patch, or give you blanket approval for contributions to a specific project. They won't approve contributions to projects licensed with risky licenses, like AGPL. Other than that, getting approval is easy.
>>54987983
>Ubuntu / Fedora
more like you worked as a secretary or janitor
>working for a big tech company in the us
>>54989473
Probably not Ubuntu proper. Many companies use an Ubuntu derivative specialized for their purposes, though.
>Nobody has outside projects (in fact, outside projects generally disallowed)
It's shit like this that makes me glad that I use the GPL3.
>>54987983
>OP works in core product research and development in more than 5 big companies
>condescendingly looks down on /g/ cause he's so better than all of us here.
>can't install anything that does not have a "next" button to click on.
I so trust you OP, thank you so much for taking time to describe your helpful advice :^)
>>54989499
>noobuntu
I would never work at a place were gentoo or arch isn't the norm.
>>54989547
I've got good news for you, then. You'll never with at a place.
>>54987983
>worked at IBM, INTC, MSFT, ORCL, CSCO
>everyone is a fucking normie
>outside projects generally disallowed
yikes nigga enjoy your mid life crisis for working at such garbage cubiclecuck companies holy shit I would kill myself if I was you, not even memeing, your life sounds terrible.
>>54987983
>IBM
>Intel
>Microsoft
>Oracle
>Cisco
lel
I mean, I get that /g/ is Autism Central, but these are some shitty companies.
>>54987983
Post proof faggot or your story has a much validity as a post on /x/
No way that someone can work at multiple companies in R&D without being old as fuck or incompetent
>>54989622
>all companies with little to no room for advancement
>OP is proud of working at these companies
>>54989634
Why is working at multiple companies for R&D hard to believe? Tech companies poach employees off each other all the time. The fastest way to get a salary bump is to switch to a competitor.
>>54988141
would be illegal in my country and I think in most of EU countries
you can't reserve rights to an intellectual property that doesn't exist yet
>>54989653
>he believes random faggots trying to brag about their lives through greentext on 4chan
the disclaimer on /b/ applies to the whole website, you know.
I'll believe it when I see some badges or official swag with timestamps.
>>54989680
Sure, I'm not saying it is true. Chances are it is at least partially a lie. I'm responding to
>No way that someone can work at multiple companies in R&D without being old as fuck or incompetent
>>54987983
Let me tldr what you write:
>Nobody cares what are they doing only asperg, who in the end do nothing.
Nice b8 tho.
>>54989634
Implying enthusiasts (OP call them "aspies") don't have any value, especially in R&D area for these companies. How can they advance with only salaryman on board? They should work somewhere else if they don't like technology. It's have nothing to do with autism.
>>54989680
It isn't even bragging. Dude is talking about how he held multiple relatively low paying white collar jobs. I don't see an issue with this
>>54989653
You're telling me this guy does R&D for intel, a semiconductor company, Microsoft, a software company and Cisco, a networking hardware/software company?
And he's working as a researcher at all of those companies and he's not just a coffee-fetching intern?
Yeah okay bud. What was your PhD on OP?
>>54988680
There's functioning in society and then there's wanting to
Hitler was an introvert. because of HR departments, the only way he could ever succeed was by rising to power and killing all the jews.
See what your bullshit brings about?
>>54988227
What's so incredible in working in Google?
Google has thousands of people all across the globe, I live next to a Google building in my city, there are lots of young people (pretty much all of them are young to be honest famlad) and even students working there.
>>54989449
>technically Google owns the copyright to things you write while employed with them
I don't think this would last before court. You can't tell people what to do in their free time.
I guess you could forbid any products for "commercial use". But if you make an open source tool? I'd really like to see them enforcing that..
On a sidenote: Why are big companies always such asshats?
>>54989890
You get access to an immense amount of design and architecture documents for tons of different internal projects.
You get to learn how things work at scale, from there company with "big data" bigger than potentially any other company on Earth. Exabytes, petabits per second, terabytes of RAM, millions of computers, etc etc.
I realize you meant that rhetorically now. Being employed at Google isn't "rare", you're right. They hire a ton of people. They're also pretty selective, though.
>>54989049
cool, how did you get into the industry?
i've been a regular software dev for a few years now but im thinking about making the switch
I currently work at IBM, and I know that any ideas you come up with or software you develop USING IBM's resources is considered their intellectual property. You're all g to develop things in your own time, as long as you can prove you didn't come up with the idea using their resources.
>>54989971
Oh, and I'd say about 40% of people use Windows, 30% use Linux, and 30% are Apple users (mostly because IBM let's people choose between a Macbook or a Lenovo).
>>54989955
All those documents are worth absolutely nothing if you're not allowed to share or "leak" them.
>>54989992
Are you stupid? You don't share or leak them, you learn from them. You understand what problems there solve, why various decisions and design choices were made, and what you would have done differently. Then when you go to work somewhere else, or work on your own projects, or start your own company, you can apply what you learned.
If the only use you can imagine in a design doc is copying it or leaking it, you are a code monkey, not a programmer.
>>54987983
This is what /g/ people need to see. Normies have some pretty decent skills with the computers.
>>54990021
You never refuted the point. Why are capitalists and closed-source advocates like you retarded?
>>54990069
>doesn't understand the value of learning design choices and patterns from established, stable, scaled systems
not even the guy you're responding to but give up, you're a lost cause.
>>54988439
Same here at GCHQ!
>>54987983
And nobody cares about you. Kill yourself.
>>54990069
You claimed design docs are useless because you can't leak them. I said they aren't, because you can learn from them.
I'm not sure what you aren't getting here. I'd say access to Google's design docs has been the single most beneficial thing about working for the company. I've learned way more from them than from my actual work, which is mostly glue code.
>>54990086
But the only way people can learn is if they can download the leaked documents.
If they can't read it, they can't learn it.
>>54990127
But you can't learn from them unless they're leaked.
That is, unless you work for them, but only a normie would work for a for-profit corporation.
>>54988141
>>54988175
Hahaha, you can't be serious. And then they call Amerikkka the land of the free lmao. The land of wage slavery maybe.
>>54987983
>>Nobody has outside projects (in fact, outside projects generally disallowed)
Good, I'm sick of people always saying so nice degrees, how many jobs for free and for long hours have you worked already? No not actual jobs idiot and internships don't count.
>>54988442
>these terms are non negotiable and conditional of employment
kek, if a company wants to tell me what I'm allowed to do on my own time (forbid personal projects) then they're obviously trying to employ me 24/7. Aside from the obvious number of hours legal problems,I doubt they'd bepaying me enough for that.
>>54989890
>pretty much all of them are young to be honest
>tfw getting older
>tfw feeling out of place in tech
>tfw you will never have that dream job you want
>tfw tfw
>>54988963
>He ended up patenting some egg incubator thing, for his own hobbies.
I don't think there are any companies that would allow that today. Pretty much all of them explicitly claim ownership of anything you patent while employed there. As well as anything you work on while employed there.
>>54990725
I thought land of the free had freedom to innovate. What you say seems more of a japanese practice.
>>54991253
>land of the free
That's only if you're rich, silly. The level of corruption from special interests (corporations) in this country is insane.
>>54990190
/thread
>>54990190
You're free to not agree to the terms.
>>54989957
My advice is: don't. Game dev is an employee-hostile industry with nearly no chances for equity that takes advantage of a captive pool of employees held hostage by their own perceived loyalty to vidya.
No one outside of QA still games.
>>54987983
> in fact, outside projects generally disallowed
If you do your shit at work, that is.
>>54992748
Is it true that AAA publishers purposefully withhold payment to studios so they go out of business and no longer have to pay them?
>>54987983
I currently work at Google. Here people do get quite religious about their editor of choice.
Desktop environments not so much, Windows, Unity, GNOME, KDE, nobody really says too much about what you use.
Languages depends on the department, obviously the golang team are a little biased. Mostly we use C++, Python or Java.
We all have out side projects. Hell we can even work on them in work time if we want to.
Most people are normal, you get the odd weirdo but with so many employees that is going to happen anywhere.
Loads of gamers (myself included). Mostly PS4 or PC.
Linux and Windows are used equally. OS X is the least used OS for the most part but still used a lot.
Yeah we all get shit down every day although we also argue a lot about how things should be done.
>>54993186
You definitely can't work on an IARC project during your work time. They tell you that explicitly in the approval email.
all the folks in this thread claiming to be something better:
your still on /g/ and/or have the urge to brag about it on /g/ - well done, pieces of well adjusted human beings
>>54993061
This sort of bullying is more frequent in development with milestone payments as opposed to royalty payments after release.
In development, the publisher is not necessarily trying to drive them out of business (since the publisher still wants them to finish the product), but they may use the studio's shakier financial standing to renegotiate the contract. In the worst case the publisher would use that leverage as part of a takeover/equity transfer. This is pretty common because studios always miss a milestone eventually.
>>54993382
>work extra hard or we're gonna get bought out by the publisher and everyone will lose their job
what a horrible field
>>54993419
That's my point.
>>54993455
Why do publishers even buy out studios only to fire everyone 10 seconds after their game is released?
If it's an intellectual property thing, didn't the publisher already own that?
>>54987983
Indeed. I only come here to laugh at how pathetic everyone here is.
>>54993482
I don't know of a lot of examples of the publisher firing "everyone" 10 seconds after the release, but releasing boxed vidya is like releasing movies: you don't need a film crew during the theatrical run. If it took 150 people to ship, it probably only takes a core team of 40-50 to prototype the next title. What is the economic incentive to keep the other 100 people on deck?
The best studios try to keep staff on by laddering DLC releases and negotiating the next title before the first one even hits store shelves, but that's a tough balancing act.
>>54993280
cancer research?
>>54993807
not that anon just dont know what IARC is google points to cancer research
>>54989382
wageslave or die, really. there's no other option. gambling and betting maybe, but that's never sure
>>54993853
Ah, sorry. IARC is Invention Assignment and Review Committee. It's one of the three main ways Googlers can release code outside of Google while still employed there, and the only way that allows you to retain ownership of the copyright.
See >>54989449
>>54987983
1/10 b8. It would have been 0 but we all know this is getting to the bump limit.
>>54993885
Here's the thing about life, Anon: Your life is not deterministic. And you only stay at the bottom of the economic ladder, or company, if you're unmotivated or incompetent.
Fuck this "wage slave" shit.
>>54988262
>but that's like a successful automotive engineer having a strong opinion on dog leg shift patterns.
There's no opinion to have on that, retard. Stop making dumbass comparisons like that.
>>54989739
Hitler knew he had a great chance to be accepted into Architecture schools, but he never even applied or pursued it. You're an idiot and probably mentally ill.
>bringing up Hitler
>>54988175
>>54988241
>>54990190
Anon is partially but not entirely right:
>You are entirely free to write code in your spare time without asking for permission
>but all that work belongs to Google
>You can ask for permission to release it as Google owned open source project
You can then develop and release both in your spare time and at work.
>You can ask for permission to retain the copyright yourself
You can then work on it in your spare time, making sure not to use any Google resources to do so.
Google may retract the permissions at any time and take over the project.
>>54988141
This. Someone I know works at UPS in UK and he mentioned this being in their standard contract.
