Nvidia is O V E R
WELCOME TO AMDOMINATION
TWO CARDS TO BEAT ONE
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>54847415
two cards that together are much cheaper than the one.
wooooooow
clear eyes. wooooow.
>>54847291
>We cannot compete against the new cards head to head so we will release them as "budget cards" and compare two of them against one with an AMD biased game
>>54847415
You can see in practice the cards are 50% idle while the 1080 is sweating
In both cases you still can't beat 199
>>54847947
>>54848020
>AMD can sell at a loss but Nvidia cannot
>98.7% vs 51% utilization
So they'd have like 124 fps if they went full power
amd sure is getting desperate
>>54847947
>AMD biased game
If that's the case then most DX12 and Vulkan games will be, and that's not AMD's fault.
>>54848072
I wonder if that isn't somewhat embellished. Like one is at 99% and the other is at 51%. . . Because no drivers.
>>54847291
I didn't see the stream. Can somebody help me understand why it's presented like this?
If the 480 is only at 51% GPU utilization, and 2 of them are about the same as 1080, why not demonstrate 1 480 at near 100% utilization beating or coming extremely close to the 1080 for $200?
>>54848106
Since it's DX12 it's probably because AotS still doesn't use the full multi card capabilities of DX12
Fuck it nigga, I don't want to blow my power bill up with 2 AMD cards.
>>54848138
>If the 480 is only at 51% GPU utilization, and 2 of them are about the same as 1080, why not demonstrate 1 480 at near 100% utilization beating or coming extremely close to the 1080 for $200?
It's probably extremely close, or at least somewhat close, but that looks way less impressive than beating it at almost half the price
>>54848104
>If that's the case then most DX12 and Vulkan games will be
Because DX12 requires all developers to use the same options. . . Let me guess. You also believed that all games that use tesselation were going to be poor on AMD cards because of Crysis 3?
>2016
>Dual GPUs
lmao
>You can buy 3 cards and still have a 100$ left to spend on poptarts or the slightly higher electricity bill.
Nvidia is feeling the heat.
IT ALLL RETURNS TO NOTHING
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN
>>54848170
They're 120W TDP. That's less than the 1070.
>>54848196
>2016
>Dual GPUs
>DX12 and Vulkan now supports them.
>nvidia too stronk
>let's just put two shitty cards together and lower price
>>54848196
>51% vs 98.7%
>>54848171
>>54848138
because they don't have the drivers to do it, they're just speculating that they will
Thanks god I'm a jew, I almost bought a 960 two months ago.
I will buy two 1070.
>>54848322
What will your excuse be when Vega comes out and offers better performance in a single card?
What am I saying? There won't even be Nvidia fanboys left by then.
>>54848346
Whatever "soothes your soul" mate. I'll buy 2 rx 480 and spend the remaining on hookers
>>54848322
>51% utilized
>>54848322
You realize these are AMD's mid range cards right?
>>54848340
>jew hating jew
>>54848373
Not the same poster but it's likely the 1080ti will be out before Vega is.
>>54848373
So you mean by the time Nvidia's next gen is around the corner?
>>54848422
>vega launches at 500 to 700 with HBM2
>1080 Ti launches at 900 with GDDR5X
hmmmm
>>54848533
>Vega launches at $300 because it cannot beat the 1080
>1080ti launches at $750 with HBM2
Anyone can make completely unsupported claims
I like the design.
>>54848572
Why use two different style of screws for the cooler?
>>54848572
Reminds me of a VHS cassette tape.
>>54848572
Manlet cards are ugly as sin
>>54848572
Didn't AMDrones give nvidia shit for having a similar boxy cooler design?
>>54848603
The ones on the front are for looks.
>>54847291
With the Rx 480 being so cheap, do you think the Rx 490 might be priced cheaper than 1070, maybe at 300+ ?
>and offer better performance too
>>54848637
>boxy black VHS tape like enclosure
>different screws for style
All of my WHY?
>>54848627
>>54848572
the PCB is likely covered fully with the radiator fins, which forces the blower to the right, and extends the card.
>>54848606
true. Feels comfy
>>54848742
VCR style GPU hotswap enclosure when?
http://imgur.com/a/pyC3r
mmm image's on the left(GTX1080) looking lower quality.
AMD does it again with shady benchmarks.
>>54848699
>>54848782
sorry I mean left is AMD (lower quality).
>>54848765
Soon...
>>54848782
>>54848829
Have we gone back to the "image optimization" days? Reviewers are going to rename the executable?
>>54848787
yes your image explains what I meant. the blower is offset to allow for a bigger cooler on the parts themselves
>>54848765
Actually, I think I have a old one, I wonder If I can mod it.
who cares
they still have no drivers
>>54848782
Left was running on a $200. right on a $700 card.
The point was showing that you can play games on a $200 card and don't need a $700. It has nothing to do with the benchmarks they showed later.
>>54848563
Hbm2 confirmed only on gp100 and Vega
isn't the win10 adoption pretty bad?
>>54848787
The blower hopefully will perform good. They've got the dual top bottom intakes that the asus turbo series has for supposedly extra airflow.
>>54848983
>Hbm2 confirmed only on gp100
Gee. I wonder if the 1080ti will be "big" Pascal just like the 980ti was "big" Maxwell, 780ti was "big" Kepler, etc?
>>54848942
You can already game on $200 cards
GTX960/380
>>54848403
you fucking kidding me, half of /pol/ is jew hating jew
and in case you didn't notice jesus christ was born a jew
>>54848881
Interestingly enough, they've been cranking out the driver updates fairly regularly lately. I've been rocking a 295x2 for a long time, and for a while there was a wicked dry spell, but I think those days are long past.
>>54848400
So in 3 years the drivers MIGHT MAYBE actually get you 100 percent utilization. Yep its an amd card.
I'm pretty stoked that with the new cards, I'll be able to spend $400 and get something with >4x the power of my 960 instead of just 2x.
>>54849048
still not fast enough and games don't seem to be optimized for AMD regularly.
Its shady business but its a real thing
>>54849106
AMD owns the consoles so all console ports are optimized for their GPUs.
>>54849133
who cares about console ports?
>>54847291
> <4fps
>domination
>using ashes as benchmark
Who gives a fuck about that game, give me something relevant
>>54849133
>defending consoles holding back pc gaming
>>54848210
I guarantee that nvidia fanboys will keep the power meme going regardless.
>>54849002
No?
W10 was incredibly successful in the mainstream and according to steam hardware surveys it was widely adopted by gamers as well.
>>54849072
>bought a 960
Why did so many people do this?
Such a trash card.
>>54849040
Those aren't VR ready though anon.
>>54849106
So the fact that the last three drivers have dropped on or very close to release day of the AAA game it's optimized for isn't enough? Jesus fuck, won't anything satisfy you?
Bottom line is their driver cadence IS going up, and they ARE releasing day one optimized drivers more often. If you owned one, you would know that.
>>54849150
>GTA V
>DARK SOULS
>CONFIRM FF 15 FOR PC PLSSS!!!
Yeah, mustard race makes it pretty obvious console ports are irrelevant.
Wew lads, AMD wins again!
>>54849258
Tons of people use laptops and this shit that already comes with Win 10.
>>54849258
>how many of you have windows 10
>most of the audience raises their hand
>how many of you like windows 10
>no one raises their hand
>w-well just be sure to submit feedback o-okay
I felt so bad for that guy
>>54849161
>cheaper than a single
>faster
cute attempt, but you need to be more inflammatory, and refer to things that aren't strictly untrue
>>54849318
>>DARK SOULS
I wouldn't use that one if you are trying to support console ports.
>>54849284
Because people are fucking stupid?
>>54849343
That was some awkward shit. I bet he's going to drink heavily and bang some whores tonight.
>>54849349
Console ports are the only AAA games PC gamers get.
whats the release date?
I have a feeling their Linux drivers will still be shit.
>>54849318
Dark Souls 3 was a pc game ported to consoles.
GTAV was shit and was nvidia optimized lmao
I thought /g/ was better than this and played patrician grand strategy games, Aurora 4x and simulators.
>>54849397
June 29th
>>54849388
Civ VI? Overwatch? Etc?
Thanks for trying to move the goalposts but I return the same point that wasn't addressed. I would mention Dark Souls if you are in support of console ports.
>>54848210
the rx 480 has a TDP of 150w, whereas the 1080's TDP is 180w.
320mm2 (gp104 die size) / 180w = ~1.77 mm2/w
230mm2 / 150w = 1.53mm2/w
so AMD is still considerably less efficient than NVIDIA, at least it's almost even and not hawaii housefire tier like before though.
for reference, hawaii had a die area of 438mm2 and a TDP of 275w, so AMD's mm2/w has shown almost no improvement since hawaii.
>>54849411
amdgpu framework isn't half bad, honestly. The gaming specific plugin that sits on top of it needs some work, but the underlying framework and open source bits are bretty gud... off to a good start, and worlds better than the old 'radeon' open source driver.
>mfw I can buy THREE 480s for the price of a 1080
>>54849417
>Dark Souls 3 was a pc game ported to consoles.
I think you got that very backwards. Unless somehow they had things in the console version that From soft decided to disable in the PC version (poise), or screwed up only PC online gaming (softbanning).
Ok AMD fans... Here's my question to you. What happens when Nvidia releases the GTX1060 at like 250$ and two GTX1060 SLI are faster than the 1080 and the RX480 SLI. Then the AMDOMINATION becomes being slightly behind again? I'm sure Nvidia is just savoring hovering over the release button for the GTX1060 before ruining AMD's hopes and dreams.
>>54849468
that's not how business works, lol.
>>54849449
DELETE TH IS
>>54849468
>51% GPU usage
AMD have room to wiggle Nvidyaboy
>>54849343
Link?
If it is only using 51% of the GPU. Why didnt they just have a single card at 100% usage and show that it almost compares to a GTX 1080
>>54849004
The turbo series is a piece of shit, this cooler probably will be too.
>>54849504
It was during the computex stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icm9B1nkGJ0
I have no idea how to get back to that part because youtube is faggots
>>54849520
Because they don't want to show the other card was at 100% meaning a single card would only get around 40fps with reduced IQ.
>>54849284
Whats wrong with the 960?
Is it finally the time to upgrade from HD7950?
>>54849531
Oh I figured it out
https://youtu.be/ZwlQvjwYFEM?t=3080
>>54849468
If two 1060 SLI are better than the 1080, then it just means the 1080 is shit
>>54848572
>a single 6-pin connector
fake
>>54849546
3dfx voodoo 4 master race reporting in, don't upgrade yet
>>54849432
Your math is retarded.
Pascal at roughly .56W/mm2
Polaris at roughly .65W/mm2
Either way, the comparison is pointless because Nvidia and AMD report their TDP differently. We know that the 1080 thermal throttles like a motherfucker, so what makes you think the reported 180W TDP is accurate?
Nah, I'll wait for cards with real coolers that don't thermal throttle before I look at how "efficient" Pascal is.
>>54848020
>50%
Why not show it beating with a single card then?
>>54849432
RX480 TDP is not announced yet
we know it's between 75 and 150 watts per card though, given the 6 pin
>>54849655
>We know that the 1080 thermal throttles like a motherfucker, so what makes you think the reported 180W TDP is accurate?
because it's been observed and proven to be accurate. NVIDIA has a history of accurately stating real world TDP in marketing material, AMD has a history of lying about it (290x was 275w TDP despite drawing >400w under load).
>>54849731
750 Ti Represent. Sippin' that juice
>>54849714
>RX480 TDP is not announced yet
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10389/amd-teases-radeon-rx-480-launching-june-29th-for-199
AMDOMINATION
M
D
Waitfags win again. Sure am glad to have waited. <150W for 980 tier performance for 199. NVIDIA CANNOT COMPETE
All they need now is some fucking marketing skills.
>>54849432
TDP doesn't reflect real power draw, merely thermal design. At load the 1080 draws 240-250W, the 1070 210-220W.
Also the bus widths are the same and they take chip real-estate as well, there is no linear scaling here.
>>54849731
>nvidia has a history of accurately representing tdp
Are you fucking high? The 170W 970 consumes anywhere between fucking 300-400W under load
>>54849791
nice try raja, even your own biased reviewers don't believe that horseshit
>>54849791
Look 4 posts above yours. Guru3D measured it at 150w
>>54849744
pre-launch article, unofficial spec sheet with missing data.
>>54849791
Bullshit. That's total system power consumption, if even that. The 970's maximum power draw through its power connectors is only 225W.
>>54849731
>290x was 275w TDP despite drawing >400w under load
You should look at the chart you just posted anon.
Also, 290x is rated at 290tdp since fucking forever, where the fuck did you get 275 from?
This board really is as bad as /v/.
>>54847415
>Selectively ignoring the price of the two cards.
WOOOOOOOOOOW
>>54849898
>implying these aren't just migrants from /v/
>>54849577
1070 is a gimped 1080
1060 is a gimped 1070
>>54849898
>>54849449
I mean, two 490s would probably be better at that price.
>>54848147
>AotS
thanks for reminding me of Attack of the Show
>>54849666
Shit drivers
>>54849958
1060Ti would be a gimped 1070
1060 is confirmed GP106
>>54847291
>250$
it'll still be probably be 550$ each in commieblockland after taxes and jewish reseller markup.
cheap hardware is one of the few things i really envy you, burgers
>>54849873
I used a 560 for a long time without any issues and since I got a 960, my system is extremely unstable due to peaks on the PSU.
So whoever thinks Nvidia is suddenly good at power management is fucking retarded. They were never good, AMD just fucked up worse.
To be clear, the maximum power that Polaris can draw is 150, which means the TDP cannot possibly be higher. Designing a cooler for 150W TDP is a joke, so there's no need to state anything lower. That doesn't mean the card will draw that much. On the other hand, the 1080 has access to 250W. We already know it thermal throttles. The TDP is based on the base clock, or it wouldn't throttle. Ergo, any card that can maintain its boost will draw more than 180W. It's not that complicated. Pascal isn't as good as we were expecting. Perhaps SMT will make up for it.
>>54847291
SHOO SHOO POO
>2X 480
Nvidia's high end card is literally twice as good as AMD's
Honestly you should get a GTX 480 housefire edition at this point
>>54850085
Even if it were 2 times as good it is still 3.5 times the price.
In single card comparisons it will only be 1.6 times as good.
>>54850065
>since I got a 960, my system is extremely unstable due to peaks on the PSU
Sounds like a problem with your PSU, then. I've had a 970 on a 500W PSU for months and never had an issue.
>>54847291
Man, that graph of a single variable created by the producers of the "winning" card sure convinced me to switch.
>>54850131
You have to also understand that it's a cherrypicked DX12 benchmark. DX12 scales mulitcards much better. IF you choose any DX11 game, then two 480s will not scale- the second card will only add an extra 30% or so performance, so you'd still be better off getting a 1080.
The 480 is literally GCN rebrand. Get a fucking 390.
>>54850308
It's only cherrypicking if nvidia does it man. Don't bother arguing with them.
>>54847291
>199
thanks
>>54850308
>GCN rebrand
So is that why Maxwell was a Keplar rebrand and Pascal is a Maxwell rebrand? Or is that completely false despite all evidence.
GCN is an architecture, not a fucking card you mong.
>>54847291
>CROSSFIRE PROFILE MICROSTUTTER HELL TO WIN @ LESS THAN 3 FPS ON DX 12
>ONLY 8 ACTUAL GAMES ANNOUNCED FOR DX 12 IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS PROBABLY ONLY 1 OR 2 EVEN FUCKING GIVING A SHIT ABOUT ASYNC COMPUTE. ALL MICROSHIT WINDOWS 10 EXCLUSIVE GARBAGE
TAKE ALL MY MONEY AMD, 2 CARDS BEAT ONE WOW FUCK
480 + 480 = 960 < 1080
Checkmate AMDrones
>>54850363
>maxwell is a kepler rebrand
Pascal is a die shrink of Maxwell. Maxwell is nothing like Kepler.
>>54847291
Now post the frametimes pajeet.
>>54848572
What a qt
>>54848253
So what games/applications support DX 12 and when can I get these benefits?
>>54850363
When I said GCN rebrand, I meant that it was a rebrand of a GCN card. Likely the 390 is getting rebranded as a 480.
The 490 will probably be based on fury.
BTFO NVIDIFAGS
>>54848572
stupid power connector placement tbqfh
this is going to look silly in my case
>>54850438
List of DX12 games:
1. Ashes of the singularity
To use DX12 you need to install windows 10.
>>54850406
You can buy three 480s for the price of a 1080 however
480 + 480 + 480 = 1440 > 1080
>>54850394
>ALL MICROSHIT WINDOWS 10 EXCLUSIVE GARBAGE
why wouldn't they be exclusive ? DX12 is exclusive to Win10.
Also ashes is a shit (by shit i mean mediocre) game.
>>54849449
Enjoy the stuttering games. :^)
>>54850461
What game is this and why does nobody give a fuck except AMDrones?
>>54850477
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>54850466
because nobody else is making dx 12 games. I meant Microsoft as a publisher, not a platform.
>>54850493
It's a total annihilation clone. Like actual clone.
Why AMD cares is because it's a DX12 game and AMD cards do way better in dx12
>>54850308
>The 480 is literally GCN rebrand
Its not a rebrand on the same scale as Pascall.
AMD basically tweaked a lot of shit gives them an extra 40% efficiency on top of the efficiency they gained from the die shrink.
Nvidia basically die shrink Maxwell and superclocked it.
Reminder that Pascall does not exist in the roadmap until recently.
>>54847291
DirectX12 only matters if you use botnet windows 10, /g/ is fine
>>54850461
DX12 is already the dominant OS on steam.
Soon MS won't allow anything other than W10 to be on prebuilt systems.
It is only a matter of time before all games support DX12 and eventually require it.
>>54850493
its a RTS from Stardock, same people that brought you galactic civilization a 4X game.
having played it I felt it brought some interesting concepts to the genre but it didn't feel very well polished.
The clunky dialogue was almost cringey it was so bad.
>>54850511
Seems like they are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support
>>54850518
Exactly, literally winning at something nobody cares about.
>>54850544
>Seems like they are
>Garbage and shovelware, the list
>Half of them not even confirmed
Thanks I can't wait to play shitty MMOFPS from china @ 4 fps faster.
>>54850085
>480
>high end
Polaris is mid range
>>54850528
You're mixing news. The 480 is a 390 rebrand.
The highly power efficient stuff is their prototype polaris stuff, of which is not being released as part of the 400 series.
>>54850565
>Garbage and shovelware, the list
Hitman
Deus Ex
Quantum Break
Rise of the Tombraider
yeah man, those are all D list games made by some tiny 4 man studio somewhere
>>54850595
>You're mixing news. The 480 is a 390 rebrand.
>The highly power efficient stuff is their prototype polaris stuff, of which is not being released as part of the 400 series.
RX 480 is Polaris 10, confirmed by Lisa Su in the stream earlier this evening.
>>54850595
What news?
In the stream, in all outlet, all pointed out the same thing as I said.
RX 480 is a GCN 1.4, it is not 380 rebrand anon.
Where in the fucking world did you get your news from?
>>54850608
>Hitman
That's garbage shovelware of the highest order
>Deus Ex
Doesn't even tell us the level of Implementation
>Quantum Break
Lol first party shovelware
>Rise of the Tombraider
More milking dead IP shovelware garbage
Basically squeenix has an engine that supports DX12. Considering the benchmarks of tomb raider they're not exactly async compute heavy so the performance gains are literally negligeble.
>suicidal amdrones defending 199$ shit tier gpu
>apparently won in CF with minimal settings in amd optimised game
>not avaible until 29th june
>no dvi slot
>what is 1070
>what is 1060 ti
lmaoFF
Nvidia won so fucking easy mode I laugh myself to sleep
>>54850647
>Considering the benchmarks of tomb raider they're not exactly async compute heavy so the performance gains are literally negligeble.
so basically what you're saying is unless the benchmarks in that game favor AMD its a shit game
Yet when it comes to an underwhelming and mediocre game like Ashes, well lets plaster that shit on every AMD slide we can!
>>54850666
Nvidia need to cut 1070 price by at least $100 to match the value that were set by RX 480 anon.
Also, 1060 won't be available till fall, and by that time we will be introduced with a full fat Polaris 10, which is either 480x or 485 that would, theoretically, perform as good as 1070 at <$300.
>>54850696
No, I mean objectively those are shit games.
It stopped being the 90s years ago, the only one with actual hope of being good is Deus Ex and even then if it's squeenix's implementation of DX 12 it's not using any async compute.
>>54850703
>wishful thinking : the post
>arguing before benchmarks
Whatever, I'll probably get the AMD card because I'm cheap and I doubt I would notice the difference between it and the 1070.
>>54850735
>$300 GTX1070
A man can only wish.
>>54850733
>No, I mean objectively those are shit games.
No, you mean you personally feel those games are shit.
>>54850763
Enjoy your poorfag designed midrange GPU.
Atleast you can pretend be better.
>>54850784
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/hitman---intro-pack
No. I mean objectively those games are shit.
>>54850746
you'll notice that you can afford another 150 burgers
Daily reminder that async compute is a meme
>>54850803
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/ashes-of-the-singularity
>objectively it's shit !
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/rise-of-the-tomb-raider
Wow, its fucking nothing.
>>54847291
lmao quality settings don't even look the same
>>54850446
Fucking tard, everything in the world points to the 390 having nothing to do with the 380.
Like I don't know using a BRAND NEW 18nm manufacturing process?
The 480 is not a rebranded 390 at all.
The 480 is about as close to the 390 as sex is to your life.
>>54850821
>tomb raider
>2016
Who even plays this shit still? It sold like crap.
When are these new amd cards supposed to come out. My 7950 is on the brink of death and I was going to get a 1070 as soon as it releases because I don't know how much longer this 5 year old card will live. But if AMD cards come out within a couple weeks I might be willing to wait for the benchmarks and then decide what to buy.
But if they aren't coming out until mid july or later I can't wait that long. Feels bad.
>>54850438
Overwatch.
>>54850846
So you can't refute the point and instead resort to attacking the sales of the game.
bravo!
could I run two of these on a 520w PSU? (Antec neo eco)
>tfw Xfire motherboard
>tfw 480 only needs one 6 pin
>tfw could run two RX 480 instead of one 270x
>tfw your older slower gpu needs two 6 pins
>>54847291
Holy shit. Is this shopped?
So glad I didn't pre-order based on /g/'s warning.
>>54850901
its not shopped but its from AMD.
Every company will spin its products in a positive light, wait until proper benchmarks arrive on sites to form a conclusion.
>>54850889
>Can't refute the point
>there are less than 10 games announced for DX 12 in the next 2 years
>most of them are first party Microsoft garbage
>The rest are hit and miss Squeenix crapshoot and steam greenlight vaporware
>He actually thinks he has a strong argument saying that DX12 will have any kind of adoption in the near future
Jesus fuck, stop sucking pajeet dick. I own both AMD and Nvidia cards and I'm not even that delusional.
>>54849002
>win10 adoption
>spyware propogation
select any two.
>>54850926
No, you said the games were "objectively shit"
I showed you otherwise.
Now you're going on some rant about lack of DX12 games and them being MS garbage.
>>54850822
>>54850822
I... I can't even believe it. How could they possibly think that they could get away with this? Using different benchmark profiles; differing textures and object counts.. but why the fuck did they not even bother calibrating colour on both to the same standard??? It's night and fucking day.
I'm fucking embarrassed.
>>54850944
Hitman is objectively shit, Gears of War is objectively shit, Chinese MMOs are objectively shit. MOST OF THIS SHIT IS LITERALLY TRASH SHOVELWARE HOLY FUCK STOP CHERRYPICKING THE ONE GOOD GAME OUT OF THE GIANT PILE OF TURDSTACKS
>>54847291
$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200$200
NVIDIOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>54850964
>June 29th NDA
Something smells like poo
Post yfw based Pajeet is as it again
>>54850962
Hitman into pack MC score 75
Gears 71
Rise of Tomb raider 86
Quantum Break 62
Elder Scrolls online 71
Squad Steam rating Mostly positive / very positive
Survarium Steam rating Mixed
Caffeine steam rating mostly negative
Ashes MS score 69
Objectively speaking most of those games are better than Ashes.
eeeeeeeeh but can it run ARMA3? :T
>>54849830
You know maximum power consumption I's way higher than the TDP, right?
>>54851035
>having a metacritic score of less than 90
>not completely garbage in 2016
>All those games are better than Ashes
And nobody said that ashes was any good.
Tell AMD that having performance edge on terrible games isn't helping.
>>54848202
Omedetou.
Omedetou.
Omedetou.
*clap clap*
>>54847291
That is some shit Apple angled square effect.
>Tfw waiting for Zen but it will only be supported on windows 10
>>54851064
AMD will eventually have the edge with DX12 on games.
Also, because AMD now owns the console market, devs will no longer be making their games for Nvidia and it will show.
>>54851090
>Devs will no longer be making their games for Nvidia and it will show.
It's been 2-3 years when is this happening?
>>54849161
>51%
>2 cards cheaper than 1
>difference in fps > 0 ∴ faster
/g/ confirmed most retarded board once again
>>54850666
AotS devs have worked more with Nvidia than with AMD, the only reason for it being better on AMD is AMD cards being better at DX12
>>54851114
post frametimes pajeet.
>>54851114
So at 51% usage one card is pretty much idle.
Do you retards fail to see thought the marketing sham or what do you lack a brain or something.
Can't you see how fucking shady this is it?
>>54851114
>/v/ gaymer kiddy comes to /g/ for his ebin Nvidia circlejerk
>Realize /g/ knows better than to blindly support non-innovative jewish meme companies
>Throws a tantrum
Every time
>>54851159
Where does anything in this entire thread imply 51% is 'almost idle' for the dual AMD setup?
>>54851174
Jesus christ are you retarded for real?
>>54851111
its not.
AMD makes the hardware, its Sony and MS that dictate what it needs to support/and how.
That is part of the reason you will see more and more DX12 games in the future, since the XB1 supports it right now.
It makes no sense as a dev to make a game on the XB1 with DX12 and then turning off the feature when the game gets ported to PC.
the x86 architecture of both console platforms only makes porting that much easier.
>>54851180
>Microsoft exclusive games only
And nothing of value was gained.
>>54851174
AMD cards report DX(pipeline, 9,10,11,12) usage which is why they show 100%.
Nvidia cards report Core usage (You can high GPU utilization at very low clock speeds) which is why theyr report 99% usage.
So AMD showing just 50~% usage means only one cards is being utilized.
>>54847291
They didn't show anything other than AoS? I'm wary since all good AMD benchmarks are using it.
>>54851197
Wow a proper answer how amazing /g/ it's not hard
>>54851193
Not really, eventually all games on the XB1 will be taking advantage of DX12 on the system.
if anything Sony will fall behind, since its platform is the odd one out not supporting DX12 making it costlier and more time consuming to optimize for the PS4
>>54848179
No you fucking mongoloid, nvidia can't into asynchronous computing which is a key part of DX12/Vulkan.
>>54851222
>Eventually all games
Microsoft makes exclusives at a rate of about 1 release per year. The console's life will be over by the time you see a decent library supporting DX 12.
HAHAHAHHA AMDOMINATION BAYBEE
CRY MORE SALTY TEARS NVIDIOTS I HOPE YOU KILL YOURSELVES HAHAHAHAHA
>>54851241
I think you are misunderstanding.
Why would you as a developer not make use of optimizations available to you ?
If the XB1 has DX12, why would you not make use of it ?
if a developer holds out and doesn't make use of all what is given to them while others do then their game will objectively look worse than the other games on the same system.
>>54851272
Because DX12 isn't convincingly faster than whatever APIs XB1 was using before?
>>54851272
because it means getting rid of years of work if you have an engine optimized for DX 11.
DX 11 will still work on DX 12, offering no incentive to take advantage of async compute.
>>54851224
>key part
I see AMD marketing has been doing wonders on you.
Async compute is just another feature set from DX12.
GPUs are already parallel machines even better than CPUs, async compute is meant to improve performance by scheduling tasks in the compute pipeline and save rendering time by doing the task in the compute pipeline instead of the graphics pipeline, meaning if you finish a compute task before the graphics task you're saving rendering time since you don't have to do graphics and then compute. If you GPU can already do the task fast enough then async compute becomes useless.
>>54851294
I'm not him, but stop being such a nigger. You're not proving him wrong whatsoever
Again, nvidia cards can't into async computing
>>54851283
That same argument can be made every time a new engine or whatever comes out .
>why switch to DX11 when we have this great engine optimized for DX9 !
Devs are usually looking to push the boundries and try new things, eventually they will see the limitations of whatever they currently use and make a switch to something newer that offers more features.
Seriously, like what game engine has no plans on supporting DX12 ?
>>54848572
So do I, it's much better looking than the 1080 founders.
>>54847291
>crossfile
so it's a significantly worse experience
and let's face it, you get nvidia for the good experience using the product and actually having drivers.
>>54851328
That makes no difference.
in the end it all comes down to how fast can you render a full scene and any developer with agree with me.
If you can render a full scene, graphics, ai, particles and all in 8ms(example) wihout async
or if you can render a full scene graphics, ai, particles and all in 8ms(again example not literal) with async it makes no difference at all.
>>54851348
looks very plain, like some blower fan made with some plastic peg board.
each their own i suppose.
>>54851343
>Devs are usually using to push the boundaries
No, DX 11 adoption sucked for the first 2 years of it's life.
>>54851353
>actually having drivers.
translated from 'nvidiot' to 'english'
>actually having drivers that brick your gpu
>>54849210
They've definitely kept the driver meme up in a desperate attempt to hide gpu killing drivers from nvidia
>>54851363
Except DX11 was an insignificant improvement over DX9.
>AYYMD needs 300W to beat 1 card
AYYMD HOUSEFIRES
AYYMD HOUSEFIRES EVERYWHERE
>>54851360
It's the finishing touches
>>54851382
>dual gpu = 300W
>single nvidia gpu rated for 180W will actually draw 225W because they blatantly misrepresent TDP
>>54851294
> Async compute is just another feature set from DX12.
Dude... Nvidya had Async on their older cards. In fact, they were the ones who pushed for it very hard way before DX12 was even out.
Don't know why they took Async compute out of all their new cards but this isn't something that was exclusive to DX12.
>>54851363
>No, DX 11 adoption sucked for the first 2 years of it's life.
Maybe that is because of the long development time for a game ?
These days DX11 is the bare minimum for the majority of games.
All I am saying is that DX12 is progress forward and eventually it too will be the minimum system requirements.
>tfw finally started learning Unreal
>tfw superior Vulkan support
>tfw new AMD GPUs
>tfw Zen Soon(tm)
Is this finally the year of the AMD GNU/Linux Desktop?
>>54851224
Did you miss the point or did you jump onto the tail end of a conversation without using the backlinks to get a handle on the context? Unless you honestly believe all DX12 games will include async compute similar to AotS?
490 when?
>>54851360
don't pursue a career in design if you think the founders edition is designed well while the 480 is not. you won't get far.
>>54851417
>AMD
sure
>Linux
haha, no. not in a million years, people who actually need their pcs for productivity will not touch a broken meme like Linux. stick to posting your anime-themed Arch desktop on /g/.
>>54851434
Probably 2017.
>>54851381
In 2 years your graphics card will be deprecated beyond imagination, let alone your console.
>>54851434
during the month presumably, they announced $100-$300 price points and there is an NDA going on until the 29ht of June. 480 will be on the shelf then and they'll probably announce the 490 and 470 or whatever is the $100 price point card during the month
>>54851440
you're right, nvidia will be dead and every device will be using apus/socs
sorry but no that's further out than 2 years
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/27/from_ati_to_amd_back_journey_in_futility
>In the simplest terms AMD has created a product that runs hotter and slower than its competition's new architecture by a potentially significant margin.
>GTX 1070 150W TDP
>RX 480 150W TDP, MUCH SLOWER
IT'S OVER, AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>54849714
Were you even watching the livestream? It said 150w plain as day
>>54851464
They didn't get invited to the press event so they just mad
>>54850477
sauce
>>54851435
But I'm much more productive with a package manager, virtual desktops, a tiling VM and Windows not asking me to install more botnet every couple of minutes.
>>54851464
>nvidia shill is butthurt because amd didnt give them free shit - the article
adorable
