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>tfw you find about that you can run .sh files and manually install shit
>>54722765
>error: dependency not found :^)
>>54722765
>tfw you find out you can create your own packages for debian and buntu with checkinstall easily
can someone ELI5 Wayland for me and why it's supposed to be the bee's knees?
>>54722765
>tfw if you want AUR stuff on Debian, just look into PGKBUILD and done.
So i'm trying to make a bash function switch for setting the action that occurs when my laptop lid is closed. (for kde)
So far i've got this:
function lidaction {
if [ -z $1 ]; then
echo -e "Bash alias to switch the action that occurs when the lid is closed\nUsage: lidsleep <sleep|nothing|dim|lock|status>"
else
if [ -n $1 ]; then
case $1 in
sleep)
sed -i s/lidAction=.*/lidAction=1/g /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc
;;
nothing)
sed -i s/lidAction=.*/lidAction=0/g /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc
;;
dim)
sed -i s/lidAction=.*/lidAction=64/g /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc
;;
lock)
sed -i s/lidAction=.*/lidAction=32/g /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc
;;
status)
if [ "$(grep -m 1 lidAction=. /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc)" = "lidAction=1" ]; then echo "ON - Laptop will sleep when lid is closed"
elif [ "$(grep -m 1 lidAction=. /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc)" = "lidAction=0" ]; then echo "OFF - Laptop will not sleep when lid is closed"
elif [ "$(grep -m 1 lidAction=. /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc)" = "lidAction=64" ]; then echo "DIM - Laptop screen will be dimmed when lid is closed"
elif [ "$(grep -m 1 lidAction=. /home/user/.kde/share/config/powermanagementprofilesrc)" = "lidAction=32" ]; then echo "LOCK - Laptop will be locked when lid is closed"
else echo "an error ocurred, status is uknown"
fi
;;
*)
echo "'$1' - is not a valid option"
;;
esac
fi
fi
}
[/block]
This changes the option in the kde gui but when i close my laptop it doesn't do what it's set to. When i click on Ok in the kde gui after i use the function it does work however.
>>54722818
I actually thought about making a wrapper script for this a while back. Too lazy tho.
I came into the possession of an x220, I want to put a lightweight distro on it that will just be for torrenting movies, not playing them.
What do you all think of Puppy Linux? I did read though it is suitable more for running off a usb and not being installed.
>>54722849
Maybe your problem is somewhere else.
Do you run uMatrix or something that could block the embedding?
>>54722846
it's not worth the hassle, just get Lubuntu. It will fly like the wind. Only reason I'm interested in Puppy is because I have a 2GB SD card that I have absolutely no other use for and I'll use it to run Puppy off of
>>54722846
>wasting such a perfectly fine laptop on a torrenting machine
>installing a crippled, niche distribution for no good reason
>not just installing a proper distribution, maybe even without xorg, using qbittorrent-nox or a similar client and accessing it via a web client
This is, like, upsetting me.
>>54722872
I'll look into it.
>>54722898
good.
>>54722846
Install literally Arch without anything.
TTY should be enough for you.
>>54722925
>only arch offers a minimal installer
When will this stop? Just stop.
>>54722925
I'll look into this too, thanks.
>>54722956
For torrenting without X you can use rtorrent (TUI) or aria2 (CLI). There's also transmission-curses.
>>54722947
>>only arch offers a minimal installer
Nice strawman, faggot.
Why does pic related not work
>>54722982
sh -c 'xface-terminal --tab; wmctrl -a terminal'
>>54722994
>xface
>>54722994
This worked
Thanks
Just finished reading this blog and recommend it.
https://sanctum.geek.nz/arabesque/
Learned a lot new things.
>>54722980
Why did you recommend him to install Arch then? Nothing of the things he said would warrant such a specific recommendation.
>>54723111
Why so butthurt? Any traumatic Arch related events in the past? Sure he could also do a minimal Debian install, but I told him to try Arch. Deal with it.
>>54723165
you are the posterchild for the aggressive autistic Arch neckbear
>>54723165
I'm using Arch myself, but you're this >>54723197.
>>54723197
>name calling
Nice arguments.
>>54722814
It's literally just X11 but with less bloat. It's hyped to death because apparently it's supposed to increase performance and have better integration with most apps, but it's still too buggy to replace X.
>>54723404
>just X11 but with less bloat
>to increase performance
>better integration with most apps
>too buggy
That's a lot of false information. Even I, as a layman, can say that. You just listed a bunch of vague, derivative points. Unfortuantely I don't know enough to dispute you fully.
>>54723463
You can just like, go to their webpage and read the about section on wayland. They literally type, word for word, "wayland is meant to be X but without all of the extra things required, to keep it simple".
kek
>In 1993, he asked for birth announcements to be banned from emacs mailing list, unless they are announcements for seahorses, because then it would be the male that gives birth and therefore interesting.
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Stallman
>>54724643
Is this real?
>>54724792
>geekfeminism
I hope you're posting this ironically
>>54722703
HI linux noob here
so now im messing with other stuff like this
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/deepin-menu/
but i dont see any documentation on using it?
i try other packages also and same problem finding support docs.
im running mint xfce
is it possible to just use the awesome taskbar but keep everything else the same?
What's a good program to check for malicious pdfs?
Anyone got one of these https://minifree.org/ ?
>>54725276
Can I install Arch on it?
>>54725454
of course, but parabola would be preferable on such a machine.
>>54725276
no, but my next laptop will run libre or coreboot. if i am lazy i will probably buy one.
How did people use command-line OSs before the internet? How are you supposed to know what commands to enter into the command line without Googling what the possible commands are?
If society was wiped out tomorrow, you had NO prior Linux experience, and you wandered into an abandoned building with a Linux terminal open, how would you even figure out the "ls" and "mkdir" commands? With a GUI, you can clearly navigate to the list of possible programs by exploration and click around until you figure it out.
If the internet was wiped out tomorrow, you had NO prior Linux experience, and someone handed you a Gentoo/Arch live CD, could you figure out how to install it without ANY instructions or guides eventually via experimentation?
How do people install Linux without first using a Windows/Mac to download the ISOs and read the guides? Do these people who "haven't used Windows in 20 years" have a never-ending chain of "other computers" already up and running that they use to download the ISOs and read the guides? How did people get Linux before the internet was ubiquitous? Was it originally downloaded from Linus himself over a 56k modem? Did you get the discs from other nerds at your local computer science department?
>>54725622
>parabola would be preferable on such a machine
Why?
>>54725635
freedums
>>54725623
man/info, books, actually meeting people.
>>54725635
because the main point in using libreboot is to have no binary blobs/proprietary software on your computer at all and arch uses a kernel with everything compiled right in by default.
>>54725623
>How are you supposed to know what commands to enter into the command line without Googling what the possible commands are?
With a manual.
>>54725656
>freedums
Arch is free too.
>arch uses a kernel with everything compiled right in by default
A kernel can be recompiled.
>>54725623
>Install openSUSE tumbleweed a month ago
>loving it with the rolling updates
>didnt configure my snapper or whatever
>the 30GB I had assigned to it actually fills up thanks to the insane amount of updates
>my linux shits itself and dies
>uninstall everything and now im on W10 and it fucking sucks.
Should I just try out openSUSE Leap?
Or what other distro would /g/ recommend? Something widely supported and not arch, that JUST WERKS. Considering fedora.
>>54725623
>commands
man
>figure out
you would ask the guy thats knows how to use linux.
>wiped out
I think you have bigger problems,then using a computer,that has no infrastructure to rely upon
>iso
Most distros sell or send out copies of the distro.
>before internet
You would swap around floppys
>>54725682
>>Arch is free too.
Nope.
- blobbed kernel
- proprietary programs in it's repos
>>54725664
>everything
Nope,only the most common features/hardware.
It is monolithic,but not every single flag has been set
>>54725717
>- blobbed kernel
OK
>- proprietary programs in it's repos
Like what?
>>54725717
>your version of free is different from the cults version of free
Willingly allow some big wizard in the sky deem what you are allowed to install on your system,isnt free in any sense of the word
>>54725682
yes it can, but on arch it is exceptionally hard to separate free and nonfree software. it is extremely easy to unintentionally install nonfree software on arch. this is not a problem for someone who doesn't care, but for someone that does care enough to use libreboot, it sure does.
>>54725721
i give you that. let's say almost everything.
>>54725703
can't go wrong with opensuse leap or fedora stable.
>>54722765
>tfw you realize this is a terrible idea
>>54725623
I've heard stories about how Linux installation back in the day used to be extremely difficult and require the use of like 8 or so floppy disks
>>54725748
you have to post shitty b8 in every thread don't you?
>>54725756
>easy
Why are you not more informed of your software choices when you install software,if you have to be the cults version of free?
>>54725680
>>54725693
really then where is the manual on using this package?
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/deepin-menu/
>>54725780
Truth isnt bait
Blindly listening to some fat mooching neckbeard that still brags about something he made 30 years ago and has no other merit in the industry,is comical at best
>>54725788
see >>54725780
there are programs which require nonfree dependencies that you might not be aware of. debian for example stores those in contrib.
>>54725748
>another fag who doesn't understand freedom
The point is that people shouldn't be faced with nonfree software when they install a free operating system. That's why nonfree software must be blacklisted by default.
This has nothing to do with what the user does with his operating system.
>>54725833
It does, limiting your self to a set list of programs that some cult decides you can use,its limiting your freedoms,more then any one else.
>>54725829
Check the deps before you install it,since you are so set on having to maintain a certain list of programs you're allowed to use?
You can edit the pkgbuild as you see fit,and suppliment different dpes
>>54725857
it is decided by your choice in licenses that you accept, having no easy way to find out under which category a package and its dependencies is is a downside no matter how you put it . using the same word over and over won't make it any more true.
>>54725934
And does it really fucking matter?
I never got this cult mentality.
Are you all over 40 and out of touch with the modern era of technology?
When are you ever going to take a company to court over them violating MUHHH REEEEDUMS?
>inb4 stallman
They never had any merit to their cases,and were mocked accordingly
>>54725857
Let's try this:
Step 1.
You install a "free" operating system.
Step 2.
You expect that it's programs respect the four freedoms.
Step 3.
You search for a nice program in the operating systems pool and install it.
Step 4.
What you don't know is that the program you just installed is nonfree, which means that it executes unknown code and violates your freedom to control your system as you wish.
Step 5.
How can such an operating system be "free"?
While all this is nitpicking, this is the reason why libre distros exist; you can still install everything you like, but not by default. And the default state the distro comes is where the FSF measures if it's free or not.
>>54726001
>actually saving shitty pictures from /a/
>cult
you repeated this word a number of times now but i think you either don't understand the meaning or want to push an agenda.
and yes, it does matter, using your computer and all that is on it is important to a lot of people and calling people that want their own machines to be their own a cult is beyond retarded.
the fsf has taken companies to court before for violating the GPL or other free licenses. and they won.
>>54726059
>four freedom
What offical document that all distros have to agree upon before they are allowed to publish their distro?
>control your system
I, the user of my machine,install programs i want.No one else does,if you question the validity of a program,check its source and check for privacy violating code,and submit a bug report calling out this code,and perhaps changes the code offically.
>fsf
So its a goverment agency enforcing these "laws" and "creedo"?
>>54726090
http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
>>54726142
>>http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
you actually posted this bullshit site again, took you long enough to reveal you are the same person.
>>54726059
I guess his main problem is that he thinks of Freedom in "Freedom of choice to do what every I want". Pretty common error.
>>54726161
>anything i want
Limiting your self in what software you can use, isnt free.
>inb4 i make the choice
So you're making choice to be use only a subset of software deemed apporiate by a thid party? This is not free
>>54726161
you can't do whatever you want with nonfree software, that is the entire point.
>>54726142
>>http://gng.z505.com/cult.htm
Everyone with a little bit of brain realizes that taking statements out of context and put new context on it is maybe nice trolling, but nothing more. That's all the site can provide; trolling.
>>54726191
Such as? Name one native program that breaks "MUHHHHHHH BREDDUMMS"
>>54722765
I recently found that all I needed to do in some cases was type 'make install' in the terminal, without referring to a file explicitly ('config', 'install') etc, and it'll install.
Crazy.
>>54726188
Freedom is not about doing whatever you want. Freedom is about not being a slave. When you install non-free software, you don't control the program, the program is controlling you, which makes you a slave.
>>54726214
>native program
from what?
in arch that would be the proprietary drivers in the kernel.
hey i enjoy freedom also, but spending 5 days to install tor made me loose 4 days and 23 hours and 59 minutes of freedom. when i could just install in 1 minute on windows. and be fishing for the other 4 days 23 hours and 59minutes... js ;)
>people still falling for this shitty bait
and I thought I'd visit hoping i'd help someone.
Kill yourself
Does anyone else have a problem where everything except for the cursor freezes?
I can move the cursor around, but my system won't respond to button clicks or keyboard commands
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
>>54725744
https://projects.parabola.n
u/blacklist.git/tree/blacklist.txt
>>54726292
The problem is that loonux newfags may read his bullshit and fall for it.
I just replaced KWin with XFWM in my KDE installation. I'm not sure if I'm liking it, however I really like the themes available for gtk...
>>54726288
installing tor shouldn't take any longer that maybe 15 minutes if you go an extremely complicated route. only because you never used GNU/Linux before and had to learn it doesn't mean that it didn't take you just as long or longer to learn to use windows.
it's called baby duck syndrome.
>>54726292
we talked about this before. ignoring trollwaves may work on forums with names or any other identity, but on an anonymous forum this can lead to very few people manipulating whole forums.
>>54724854
yes.
absolute mad man. I don't know how he let himself have a gut like that, though.
>>54726334
Obviously their will is too weak
Does anybody know of a program where I can set global hotkeys?
For example if I wanted to open dmenu I could press ctrl + d?
>>54726373
xbindkeys
To the guy who wondered how did people use operating systems before the era of google.
pic related
>>54722703
Am about to install linux on my machine. Have been using arch for the past two years, but I want to change it. I've pretty much decided on the testing debian, not sure on which DE though. I don't really enjoy gnome any more, don't need a minimalist DE since it isn't a laptop, so I'm pretty much stuck with KDE? The other option would be a WM, but I've never dabbled with them before. anyone cares to share some insight
>>54726350
actually no. i installed 1 time from pacman. wouldnt run
removed
installed from aur. wouldnt run
installed from blackarch. wouldnt run
finally had to download manually from torporoject to make it run.
and still dont have it listed in my menu :)
yeah 1`0 websites and 5+ torbrowser.desktop files later. and stillnot in my menu. i had to search for the start-tor file in my directories. and that is the only way i can start tor at the moment. not even bothering with terminal start tor. cuz i might throw the computer in the micro after that :)))))
>>54722703
Is there a linux OS tier list?
>>54726403
Cinnamon
>>54726418
No and for a good reason: Every distro is made for different needs.
>>54726386
thanks
>>54726397
Ah, the Suse manuals were a good read.
I always dug how their manuals could also double as a text book for system administration.
>>54726406
you installed an obscure skiddie distro that is not meant to be actually installed, what did you expect?
in debian it would be pretty much just
https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
>>54726418
http://fglt.nl/guides/picking-a-distro.html
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
>>54726397
>>54726476
and as for windows me (and my father since we both wanted to learn how2computer) did it from dedicated magazines that were quite popular in the early 1990.
I still have my box with win 3.11 floppies around somewhere
>>54726446
If you're going to use it, have a pretty comfy key:"xkill -id $(xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW | awk '{ print $5 }')"
Mod4 + k
Super+k to kill the currently focused program.
>>54726484
the wiki is down :(
>>54726484
sure install another distro. thats a good excuse :) why should i. shouldnt it work no matter what distro i am using? so now when i install gentoo and have some problem with that one, some anon is gonna say
>you installed an obscure skiddie distro that is not meant to be actually installed, what did you expect?
kek
>>54726511
damn, here is an old version of the os picker graphic.
>>54726418
>>54726269
Drivers are not a native program.
Name one native program that "breaks" your "freedoms".
Binary blobs are not native programs
>>54726308
post Xorg.0.log
>>54726563
>Debian stable
>>54726569
drivers are programs
binarys are programs
you're a faggot
just leave /g/
>>54726518
dude, blackarch is not a distro meant for everyday usage and it should not be installed. you can install your tools on regular arch, debian, fedora, opensuse, slackware, gentoo/funtoo or whatever. blackarch and kali are meant to be used as live distros for pentesting only.
and stop using smiley faces it makes you look like a 13 year old skiddie.
>>54726569
how are programs inside the kernel that you can't modify not native?
>>54726569
>Drivers are not a native program.
>Binary blobs are not native programs
You're dense, aren't you?
>>54726527
>version of OS X not specified
stopped reading there tbqh
>>54726626
>cant name a single program that isnt a binary that breaks freedoms
Yeah,so you're full of shit and dont know what the fuck you are talking about
>>54726643
>cant name anything but binaries
Come on,you should have a list of programs to avoid in your head,name one
>>54726658
this has to be b8
>>54726658
If he addressed the question you asked that would mean he acknowledges what you stated as truth.
And since your statement is pure horseshit addressing your question is not what an intelligent person should and would do.
>>54726692
>deflecting
>ITT retards on both sides confusing freedom and rights thread #82403893
Knock it to your dumbass fucking heads that GPL is not about "muh Freedumz" but about "muh rights".
"Full freedom" is anarchy.
A state when you're free to take another person's life without regard to his rights to live.
think of GPL like a constitution that is here to protect your rights.
You fucking faggots.
I absolutely fucking despise you.
>>54726759
think ill download windows 10 thanks
>>54726792
>gpl
>protect me
I have never in my 16 years of using linux ever felt threatened by a program.
>>54726759
This thread is gold.
>>54726855
the gpl protects the right of the people that use it and the free software community.
>>54726929
>protect
Again,how has a program every threatend you?
>fsf
You mean delusional neckbeard stealing money from "muh non profit"
They have never done anything that has effected me in any means.
>>54726855
>16 years of using linux
Found the 12 year old.
>>54726955
Without the FSF and this neckbeard you wouldn't be able to run Linux.
>>54726974
I would. If linus didnt settle for gnu tools,there would be no stallman,no fsf,no gpl.
The world would be in a better place.
Name ONE instance where gpl has effected your life
Protip: You can't
You get all high and mighty when its mentioned,but it has served no purpose in your daily life
>>54726759
Pretty good
>>54727010
>>54726955
fuck this shit, I'm going to bed, wake me up when you people are done baiting each other and arguing about retarded bullshit.
>>54727030
>baiting
I dont think you know what that word means.
>retarded bullshit
I agree,limiting your self from installing programs on your own system,because some old gross mooching neckbeard decides he dosent like it,its retarded.
>>54726759
Does anybody have that pasta I believe it was for some GTK theme or something where it had install instruction and it had a funny variation of the distro's name before the instructions. I don't remember very well but it was something like
Arsch Linux
git clone aur.archlinux etc etc...
Trilby
enable rpmfusion
dnf etc etc etc
>>54727080
> Filepicker pasta (GTK2 only!):
Tippers:
https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/jkisielewicz/gtk2-filepicker-iconview/
Amazuntu:
https://launchpad.net/~helkaluin/+archive/ubuntu/gtk2-filechooser-iconview
Arsch Linux:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gtk2-patched-filechooser-icon-view/
Absolute Madmen:
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/01213036b58e510dc074
https://gist.github.com/ahodesuka/49c1d0eea4b64f24c4c7
“Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community.
Roughly, it means that the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software.
Thus, “free software” is a matter of liberty, not price.
To understand the concept, you should think of “free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”.
We sometimes call it “libre software” to show we do not mean it is gratis.
I can't tell if anons on /g/ are serious about this free as in freedom shit. I've honestly posted this meme several times, too, because it is so disconnected from reality that it's hilarious. Were someone to actually follow this philosophy, they also most liekly wouldn't have the social skills to interact with other people.
>>54727155
We campaign for these freedoms because everyone deserves them.
With these freedoms, the users (both individually and collectively) control the program and what it does for them.
When users don't control the program, we call it a “nonfree” or “proprietary” program.
The nonfree program controls the users, and the developer controls the program; this makes the program an instrument of unjust power.
>>54727159
A program is free software if the program's users have the four essential freedoms:
>The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
>The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
>The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
program is free software if it gives users adequately all of these freedoms. Otherwise, it is nonfree. While we can distinguish various nonfree distribution schemes in terms of how far they fall short of being free, we consider them all equally unethical.
In any given scenario, these freedoms must apply to whatever code we plan to make use of, or lead others to make use of. For instance, consider a program A which automatically launches a program B to handle some cases. If we plan to distribute A as it stands, that implies users will need B, so we need to judge whether both A and B are free. However, if we plan to modify A so that it doesn't use B, only A needs to be free; we can ignore B.
>>54727159
>be socialfag that works with people as a job
>advocate for free software
>be member of the fsfe, eff and pirate party
fite me fgt
Is there any type of linux notepad software that will automatically save my writing and reopen the same windows on reboot?
I put my random notes/thoughts into leafpad windows and then hate having to save them and reopen them whenever I reboot
>>54727167
>this makes the program an instrument of unjust power.
Holy fuck are you this delusional?
Jesus christ
>>54727234
you can add a command to your startup applications. most notetaking software should have a function to open the last session.
>>54727243
Freedom to distribute (freedoms 2 and 3) means you are free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission to do so.
You should also have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately in your own work or play, without even mentioning that they exist. If you do publish your changes, you should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way.
The freedom to run the program means the freedom for any kind of person or organization to use it on any kind of computer system, for any kind of overall job and purpose, without being required to communicate about it with the developer or any other specific entity. In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run the program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her.
ITT: Sweaty 50 year olds with nothing more to do in their senile age
>>54727252
such as?
>>54727243
try is with actual arguments next time.
>>54727257
>>54727260
>>54727277
The freedom to run the program as you wish means that you are not forbidden or stopped from doing so. It has nothing to do with what functionality the program has, or whether it is useful for what you want to do.
The freedom to redistribute copies must include binary or executable forms of the program, as well as source code, for both modified and unmodified versions. (Distributing programs in runnable form is necessary for conveniently installable free operating systems.) It is OK if there is no way to produce a binary or executable form for a certain program (since some languages don't support that feature), but you must have the freedom to redistribute such forms should you find or develop a way to make them.
In order for freedoms 1 and 3 (the freedom to make changes and the freedom to publish the changed versions) to be meaningful, you must have access to the source code of the program. Therefore, accessibility of source code is a necessary condition for free software. Obfuscated “source code” is not real source code and does not count as source code.
>>54727224
Don't call me a fgt, I'm a good person
>>54727271
There is no value to your post,there is nothing posted but the views of an old neckbeard lost in the 60's.There is nothing to discuss, beyond your mental illness
>>54727322
Freedom 1 includes the freedom to use your changed version in place of the original. If the program is delivered in a product designed to run someone else's modified versions but refuse to run yours — a practice known as “tivoization” or “lockdown”, or (in its practitioners' perverse terminology) as “secure boot” — freedom 1 becomes an empty pretense rather than a practical reality. These binaries are not free software even if the source code they are compiled from is free.
One important way to modify a program is by merging in available free subroutines and modules. If the program's license says that you cannot merge in a suitably licensed existing module — for instance, if it requires you to be the copyright holder of any code you add — then the license is too restrictive to qualify as free.
Freedom 3 includes the freedom to release your modified versions as free software. A free license may also permit other ways of releasing them; in other words, it does not have to be a copyleft license. However, a license that requires modified versions to be nonfree does not qualify as a free license.
>>54727307
At one point in time, you will hear the crackpot hypocrite Mr. Stallman stating nonsense such as:
"You see Free Software has been so successful because we have shown we can develop software without any money."
At another point in time, one will hear exactly opposite advice:
"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price."
"Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can.."
"If modified works or machine-readable versions of GPL- or LGPL-licensed software are distributed, they must be licensed at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."
Free software is "subsidized software" that requires lots of money. A server bill and electricity costs for hosting GNU or open software can cost thousands of dollars per month due to bandwidth. Multiply that by thousands of GNU software servers out there offering huge GigaByte downloads... Yes, free software is subsidized: someone is paying huge bills. Replicating software is NOT free like the liars will try and tell you.
The whole idea (lie) is that software is "different" because you can copy it at no cost, whereas hardware requires costs to make copies of physical materials. Just check out the OpenBSD server bill and see how much "free software" really costs per month to "serve" to free people.... is it $4000 per month, is it $30,000? take a guess. OpenBSD is a small project, now think about larger Linux GNU projects. Guess how much it costs to subsidize these freetard GNU projects.
>>54727318
i don't care if you are a good person. i insult the person i think about when reading a specific post. don't take it personally, we are on an anonymous imageboard.
>>54727307
Note: While reading this page, if you are already a brainwashed GNUtard, you'll probably say "but free software is not about cost!". If you think this, you definitely have been missing the whole point of this page and you need to think for a minute about what is being shown here on this website. Free cost is literally right in the GPL 2 license, and stallman ALWAYS has made it about free cost. The quote on the home page of this site says he doesn't like you buying cars, houses, or anything that costs "money". Think. Unbrainwashing begin {} end.
Is there something inherently wrong with using apt insted of apt-get?
>>54727348
At one point in time, you will hear the crackpot hypocrite Mr. Stallman stating nonsense such as:
"You see Free Software has been so successful because we have shown we can develop software without any money."
At another point in time, one will hear exactly opposite advice:
"Free software is a matter of liberty, not price."
"Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can.."
"If modified works or machine-readable versions of GPL- or LGPL-licensed software are distributed, they must be licensed at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License."
Free software is "subsidized software" that requires lots of money. A server bill and electricity costs for hosting GNU or open software can cost thousands of dollars per month due to bandwidth. Multiply that by thousands of GNU software servers out there offering huge GigaByte downloads... Yes, free software is subsidized: someone is paying huge bills. Replicating software is NOT free like the liars will try and tell you.
The whole idea (lie) is that software is "different" because you can copy it at no cost, whereas hardware requires costs to make copies of physical materials. Just check out the OpenBSD server bill and see how much "free software" really costs per month to "serve" to free people.... is it $4000 per month, is it $30,000? take a guess. OpenBSD is a small project, now think about larger Linux GNU projects. Guess how much it costs to subsidize these freetard GNU projects.
>>54727379
no, but aptitude tends to be more useful.
>>54727351
>>54727365
In order for these freedoms to be real, they must be permanent and irrevocable as long as you do nothing wrong; if the developer of the software has the power to revoke the license, or retroactively add restrictions to its terms, without your doing anything wrong to give cause, the software is not free.
However, certain kinds of rules about the manner of distributing free software are acceptable, when they don't conflict with the central freedoms. For example, copyleft (very simply stated) is the rule that when redistributing the program, you cannot add restrictions to deny other people the central freedoms. This rule does not conflict with the central freedoms; rather it protects them.
In the GNU project, we use copyleft to protect the four freedoms legally for everyone. We believe there are important reasons why it is better to use copyleft. However, noncopylefted free software is ethical too. See Categories of Free Software for a description of how “free software,” “copylefted software” and other categories of software relate to each other.
“Free software” does not mean “noncommercial”. A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important. You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.
>>54727348
Note: While reading this page, if you are already a brainwashed GNUtard, you'll probably say "but free software is not about cost!". If you think this, you definitely have been missing the whole point of this page and you need to think for a minute about what is being shown here on this website. Free cost is literally right in the GPL 2 license, and stallman ALWAYS has made it about free cost. The quote on the home page of this site says he doesn't like you buying cars, houses, or anything that costs "money". Think. Unbrainwashing begin {} end.
>>54727356
Not the reply I was expecting. lel. You're okay, /g/bro
>>54727399
Stallman... Indeed a truly delusional, paradoxical, contradicting, nonsensical fool. Not just one fool, Stallman - but an entire cult. It is not surprising, however, since cults work this way - they seem completely senseless and unreasonable groups - and yet thousands will join happily.
The trick used by Stallman, mentioning that software must be free of charge, and at the same time that software should not be free of charge.. is the trick to attract both businesses and anti-businesses into his cult. People who want fame and more members in the cult, like Stallman, try and impress everyone on both sides of the forces. Even if the members of the cult are big businesses against what your cult stands for - free, no cost software - the cult still tries to attract those enemies into the cult so the cult will grow larger (and as a side effect: it grows sillier and sillier, with only morons falling for the whole scam, which unfortunately is a majority of the world ).
A truly a twisted lunatic, Stallman, and as many put it: a hypocrite.
Stallman's cult grows larger because it impresses everyone (who is a moron) - the ones against money, and the ones for money. Stallman has enemies joining his cult - everyone - BIG Businesses, and Business Haters at the same time. Stallman, a genius, has actually found a way to get the enemies working together so he can be more famous. Whether it be Sun Microsystems and MySQL, SuSE (which is tied to microsoft through novell agreements), Stallman gets them joined in somehow to promote his cult (directly or indirectly).
>>54727399
Stallman is very successful in managing one of the largest trickster cults in the world. Stallman is also one of the most successful English manipulators and English tricksters.. convincing fools worldwide of his nonsense. Might we also congratulate Stallman on his excellent propaganda skills too. He truly is a genius. Clever, but a fraud. Stallman is an expert in his crime.
GNU spreads its long rambling exceptional confusing propaganda to idiot programmers worldwide who actually fall for the "freedom" cult - they join ship with the license called GPL - the entry form that gets one in to the cult.The license is so long that people do not read it, and join ship mainly because they see the word FREE everywhere. That, and role models such as Linus Torvalds made the brain damaged decision to join the cult - so if he joined, the mass will follow. In his defense, Linus does disagree with a lot of the cult, but he still ultimately joined (for pragmatic reasons of reusing lots of exising GNU software already made).
According to freedom one, I can run software for any purpose. True freedom indeed. So since I can use it for any purpose, does that include running a script to remove any traces of GPL licenses and re-licensing it all as BSD/MIT? I mean, that is true freedom.. to be able to use software for ANY purpose.
How about FREEDOM NUMBER 5 that Stallman missed: the ability to put source code and programs on someone's credit card, and the freedom to hold back software source code from people (since I have the freedom after all).
>>54727351
>>54727365
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>>54727407
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>>54727439
oh look, some anally obliterated faggot mad because everyone at once stopped paying attention to his shitty regurgitated bait
tl;dr
I hope you sleep well because that's what I'm going to do now.
Good night faggot see you tomorrow
>>54727399
Oh, there are two answers to this one from the same person. One is that software freedom is NOT about price and that you can charge whatever you want for the software, and it is ENCOURAGED to make money off GPL. Two, is that "they must be licensed at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License.". Oops. Pooper. Check your hypocrisy alarm for a dead 9 volt battery, or read the GNU website for more details on the latest and greatest OFFICIAL definition of FREEDOM by our cult leader RICHARD STALLMAN. Be warned that the OFFICIAL definition of freedom changes every other week.
This is not about freedom freedom.. it is about the other freedom freedom. No not that one. Freedom specifically over here. See it? In the Stallman brain over here. Come on, over here.. no no, it is over here. Not that one.
???
True vagueness. A mess indeed. Is it really about freedom, or maybe is it an opinion of one lunatic who has modified his definition of FREEDOM and COST so many times that one cannot take the man seriously since ... not today, but since about 1980 something when he released the GNU MANIFESTO.
What about the ten commandments? Are those in the GPL too? Why is Stallman, one must ask, the official definer of FREEDOM?
>>54727455
Because he's the biggest cuck out of everyone that has a say in the issue. It's hilarious how Linus did way less work but got all the credit. Linus is god, and Stallman is trying to convince everyone that he himself is also a god
>>54727224
Enjoy your sex with women, ass
>>54727379
no. I only used apt and aptitude when I was on ubuntu.
apt-get is pretty shit in my opinion. Aptitude have a good search UI, apt have a good installation UI.
>>54727260
(you)
>How to be a cuck - a guide by Arch Linux
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/skype
Check this out.
>>54727631
>skype
absolutely pig disgusting
>>54727638
nice, is it real?
>>54727631
I actually find linux version of skype (it's crazy old 4.something compared to other desktops at 7.something) waaay more usable than the recent ones
>absolutely no fucking ads
>desktop UI compared to everyone's else where every UI element is unnecessarily fuckhueg to accomodate touchscreen users
If only they compiled it for more recent versions of gtk libs.
I get dependency problems all the time.
How do I actually type in japanese? I've got uim, scim, and anthy but I can't figure out how to use them.
>>54727688
Are you Brazilian?
>>54727664
>nice, is it real?
>>>/google.com/
>>54727701
no, why?
>>54726355
He has said that the FSF is his child, so maybe he is pregnant.
>>54727638
>mfw freedom did it first
>>54727702
Get out of here NSA.
>>54727631
>your boss uses skype for telework
>your coworkers you have to colaberate with use skype
>your friends use skype
>none of the people above will install a weird program just to talk to YOU
Tell me when a FOSS client gains popularity out side of neckbeard networks
>>54727720
>tfw
fucking hell, hate this feel so bad.
>>54727720
>>Tell me when a FOSS client gains popularity out side of neckbeard networks
When you stop being a weak betafag and fight for it by saying "Sorry, I've no Skype, but you can use program X to contact me."
>>54727720
Making your friends and family switch really isn't hard and will benefit everyone in the long run.
>>54727732
>>54727740
>>54727743
>starting it all over again
Newfags
When will you learn
>>54727740
Yeah,you have never been in the work force have you?
>>54727743
Getting my parents let alone my grandparents moving from skype to a weird program,isnt going to happen.Not to mention getting the camera working
There is no other option then skype in the bussiness world or personal world./
>>54727740
Let me know how that works out when you tell your boss that.
> Sorry boss I can't attend the conference call
>Why not?
>Because Skype violates my freedoms. Can we use a FOSS alternative instead?
>You better FOSS your white ass to that conference call using Skype
>Yyyyyes sir... ssssssorry
>tfw the friendly thread is slowly dying because le funny bait'n fishs
Can we agree that we only reply to posts without hooks?
>>54727782
>to a weird program
more weird than skype? this doesn't exist.
>>54727698
I use IBUS to type Korean. There's a bug with something in Mint 17.3 where the normal hotkeys to switch inputs don't work, and I have to manually set the hotkey with dconf-editor each time I log in. Supposedly it'll be fixed in Linux Mint 18 (Ubuntu 16.04). I'm sure I could fix it somehow nao, but I'm a Linux nub. Fucking Korean input doesn't work for every program, though. For example, I don't think it's possible to type Korean in Steam.
Back to what you asked, though, I've read guides that say to only have one input manager installed at a time. In Linux Mint I run "im-config" in the terminal to set my input method. You may have "im-switch" or something else. Also, log off and back on whenever you switch input methods.
What application launcher do you guys use?
>>54727709
I leled
>>54727810
>they been using skype since it came out and had unlimited free landline calls
Yeah,no
>>54727824
dmenu2
The best:urxvt -geometry 80x1+10+10 -e bash -it
>>54727755
just saying, not trying to start it again.
i find it hard to move people to foss solutions from proprietary problems.
>>54727824
TouchWiz
>>54727698
I use fctix-mocz. Make sure you add
export GTK_IM_MODULE=fcitx
export QT_IM_MODULE=fcitx
export XMODIFIERS=@im=fcitx
to your .xinitrc and download both gtk3 and 2 modules.
>>54727920
Can you write East Asian characters into Steam chat?
>>54727960
I don't use steam so I have no idea.
>>54727631
The worse problem with Arch is that they throw free and nonfree programs together into a single repro. On Debian as example they are splitted, on Gentoo you can filter by License. Packman can't do anything like this. Pretty easy to end up with a packaged binary in your system.
>>54727999
>ftw fat fingers
>>54727920
so uh
Can't type or click type
>>54727999
>being scared of the nonfree boogeyman
>>54727999
I think Arch users are old enough to research the software they choose to install. If they were not, they would use Parabola.
>>54728061
> /news/ 1st US penis transpl...
>>54727999
>packman
kek
>easy
Dont install them then?
Arch dosent hold your hand,like any distro should be.You are responsible for what software you install on YOUR system.
If you cannot handle this,you might want to check out OSX
>>54728089
>implying Arch users aren't kids who just want le cool screenfetch logo
>>54725623
Mash'n'learn ? It does work.
>>54728125
Couldn't they just get screenfetch to show different logos?
>>54728061
Control-space switches
You have to log back in to make the changes in .xinitrc to take effect, obviously.
Make sure you have installed fcitx-gtk3.
>>54728160
>implying Ubuntu users are able to read the screenfetch manpage
>>54728180
Weren't we talking about arch users? What does ubuntu have to do with any of this?
>>54727999
pacman -U https://repo.parabola.n
u/libre/os/x86_64/your-freedom-20160520-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
>>54728216
You can bypass that retarded spam filter by using https://parabolagnulinux.org
>>54728168
ありがとうございました
Why does Fedora Server exist? If I'm not mistaken, the support cycle is a bit short for a server distribution. I would think that one would be more likely to use CentOS.
>>54722703
WHAT DOES HE WRITE SO MUCH ON HIS COMPUTER WHEN HE TRAVELS?
IS HE SHITPOSTING WHILE TRAVELING SO HE DOESNT GET CALLED A BASEMENT DWELLER?11?11?
>>54728775
Hello 9GAG.
>>54728903
hello r e d d i t
>>54728775
he's constantly trying to get hurd to work, the fact that he can't aggravates him to the point that he spazes out over what linux is called, and throws tantrums on stage
>>54728937
>he can't post hello r ͏eddit
>>54728981
hurd?
>>54728992
>>54728994
The Kernel stallman has been working on since the mid 90's.He even states him self,that it isnt fnished enough for any person to use outside of deving it.
>>54728994
gnu/hurd, his pet project since forever that still hasn't reached stable, it's why he's jealous of linux and wants it called gnu/linux
https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
>>54729024
>>54728981
RMS doesn't work on Hurd idiots.
>>54729039
Go away bait. You have derailed enough today.
>>54729039
>"Instead, you should get a binary distribution of the GNU/Hurd, which comes with all the GNU software precompiled and an installation routine which is easy to use."
PROPRIETARY
>>54729043
tha fuck you smokin man
hurd is stallmans pet project
>>54729052
it's not bait, it's simple truth, you just mad your messiah is simple flesh and blood
>>54729039
Linux: Incomplete OS
GNU: Incomplete OS
GNU+Linux: Complete OS
Simple math nigger.
>>54729043
So stallman dosent actually do anything but eat cheetos and travel around on donation money
hmmDevelopment of the Hurd has proceeded slowly. Despite an optimistic announcement by Stallman in 2002 predicting a release of GNU/Hurd later that year,[11] the Hurd is still not considered suitable for production environments. Development in general has not met expectations, and there are still a significant number of bugs and missing features.[12] This has resulted in a poorer product than many (including Stallman) had expected.[13] In 2010, after twenty years under development, Stallman said that he was "not very optimistic about the GNU Hurd. It makes some progress, but to be really superior it would require solving a lot of deep problems", but added that "finishing it is not crucial" for the GNU system and completing Hurd would not address the main remaining problem for a free operating system: device support.[14]
>>54729076
Stallman hasn't wrote a single line since years.
Fuck off finally.
>>54729086
gnu to linux is a matter of convenience not of necessity
>>54729097
>hurr the god of /g/ doesn't code
and you call me a troll
>>54729109
This is a friendly thread. Trolls are not welcome.
>>54729129
then you should leave
Could someone help me with systemd services? I need to make it do something when resuming from suspend and hibernate but the more I try the more confused I get.
In /etc/systemd/system/[email protected] I have:[Unit]
Description=User resume actions
After=suspend.target
[Service]
User=%I
Type=simple
ExecStart=/usr/bin/cadence-session-start --system-start
[Install]
WantedBy=suspend.target
I don't think it works though. Does it need the WantedBy entry?
If I run this I get this, which doesn't look good:systemctl status [email protected]
● [email protected] - User resume actions
Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/[email protected]; enabled; vendor preset: disabled)
Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2016-05-24 06:49:54 CST; 12h ago
Process: 25884 ExecStart=/usr/bin/cadence-session-start --system-start (code=exited, status=217/USER)
Main PID: 25884 (code=exited, status=217/USER)
May 24 06:49:54 hyperion systemd[1]: Started User resume actions.
May 24 06:49:54 hyperion systemd[1]: [email protected]: Main process exited, code=exited, status=217/USER
May 24 06:49:54 hyperion systemd[1]: [email protected]: Unit entered failed state.
May 24 06:49:54 hyperion systemd[1]: [email protected]: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
>>54729139
install gentoo
>>54729086
but I'm using busybox
>>54729186
>install gentoo
I did but this is on a machine which isn't gentoo. I could do this shit with openrc.
>>54729197
Ignore him. There's a golden rule for this thread: Don't read/respond to posts in lowercase.
>>54729214
INSTALL GENTOO.
News Flash: Canonical added systemd to Windows as of May 24th, 2016. Lincucks are finished
>>54729478
huh
Any idea why my i3bar is reading 52% battery as FULL? Thinkpad T420 ~ Thanks
>>54729544
Not without you posting your config file or other relevant info
and use a pastebin silly
>>54729586
Could it be this battery has dropped a cell due to being broken? Which config would have this info though?
>>54729544
i3status just reads your battery state from its interface in /sys/class/power_supply/
If it's reporting as full in i3status, it's because your OS is reporting it as full.
>>54729619
52% of design capacity is a reasonable degraded maximum capacity for a shitty battery that's a few years old. Battery capacity naturally degrades over time.
>>54729699
Thanks heaps, just wanted to make sure nothing is wrong with my config. I have a legit Levovo battery here that I will test.
>>54729764
>I have a legit Levovo battery here
>>54722703
Hello g/. So, learning the way of Linux. and trying to clear up space. I don't know what python is for really.. yet except script I think. But, I do have under usr/lib a python 2.7 and a python 3.5 installed. Can I remove the 2.7, and if so how?
I want to install linux on my x220. It will be my main machine, so I'd like the basics to work without frustration (e.g. displayport plug and play ability, etc). I write papers, listen to spotify and browse the web that's pretty much it. Some programming.
I'd like something minimal and fast. I'm willing to read up and learn some technical stuff if it will be of benefit but I don't want to be a linux tweaking hobbyist just yet-- I don't have the time at the moment. Where should I start?
>>54729941
I see a lot of people suggest gentoo or mint
Ubuntu tool for monitoring internet traffic on my network that isn't just my own?
>>54729941
Check out the different DEs for Linux Mint
>>54729912
You need both versions or you aren't able to run older scripts/programs. If you want to clean your system, check if you have old/unused kernel headers.
>>54727664
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3993
>>54725043
kek
