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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
First for Linux Mint
What's the proper price for a new 9 cell for X220? Should I be wary of "genuine" ebay batteries for ~65$?
>>54688089
$65 sounds about right if they're coming from China. I paid $100 for mine to get it domestically.
>>54688163
China is my only option, so I'll go with that.
>>54688089
I bought this for ~$34 in Feb 2011 for my T60
http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Capacity-Battery-ThinkPad-Compatible/dp/B001250KX4
It still has half charge capacity I usually keep it plugged in but it gets cycled to about half charge at least once every 3 days. Its survived a drop right on the battery even though it cracked the case open its held together with electrical tape and still going strong.
Have any of you considered buying a shitty knockoff battery, switching out the cells for decent panasonic/sanyo cells, then 3d printing a replacement battery pack shell?
I'd do it myself, but too poorfag
>>54688348
This is so dumb I just can't.
>>54687912
my nigga
>>54685566
>>54685614
still looking for an answer
Guys, quick, I'm about to pull the trigger on a x260.
Is Linux 100% supported on this machine (as in no hacks required for it to work out of the box)?
According to the Ubuntu Certification page, hibernation doesn't work (no big deal). But the Arch wiki says the fn keys don't work either. Is this true?
The main reason I'm going for this one it's due to the screen size, I like compact laptops.
What do you say? Should I do it?
I'm a bit skeptical about the specs tho.
I do want the IPS panel, because I've never owned one before. I don't know if I want the HD or FHD. What would you pick? I spend a lot of time in front of the computer, so I do want to invest in something comfortable.
I don't care about the back-lit keyboard, smart card reader nor fingerprint scanner.
I don't care about RAM since I have 16GB of meme RAM lying around, and I plan to slap it in it. Same with the hard disk.
But the CPU is a whole new story.
The i7 it's a bit pricey. Then again, I don't think I'll be buying a new computer any time soon, so maybe it'd be wise to invest in this one?
The 2 i5s seem OK, but compared to the i3, the only relevant feature they have is the turbo-boost and a bit faster clock speed.
Besides the usual computer usage, I program a lot, and run a couple of VMs. I don't play games. What's the best choice for my needs?
on full load the CPU in my T420s reaches around 92 C. This is pretty hot. I know the T420s gets hot pretty easily, so is this normal for a T420s or should I put some new thermal paste there?
>>54688631
just get an X220, new thinkpads suck
>>54688509
depth of discharge is important, don't run it down to 0%, maybe 20-30% max
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
>>54688648
Mine gets to about these temps under CPU load
I also have the nVidia GPU and when it is also running, the CPU will exceed 95.
I think it's the endemic to the case/cooler design.
>>54688631
Get FHD IPS, backlit keyboard and 72Whr 6 cell without a doubt and use the EPP discount.
I'd imagine something like Fedora would be good for the best hardware support at the moment (given that Skylake generally needs a bleeding edge kernel atm).
Think about a T460?
How to get screen rotation on my x220t when I flip it into a tablet?
It's all I need to finish my total linux conversion and be happy.
>>54688509
I'm using my x220 between 50% and 70% and do a full 0-100 cycle every month.
>>54688823
>If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine. There is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life.
Is it safe to say that Lenovo is the best very low budget Android mini tablet brand?
>>54688803
>Think about a T460?
Never thought of it, but I'll take a look at it.
Thanks, anon.
>>54688859
Thanks, I was doing that already
according to upower my battery is on 92% of the original
>>54688916
Lenovo is already a chink brand, so just go chink domestic market products
>>54688859
sometimes you need to do a full cycle, otherwise the battery meter (witch only does estimates) gets fucked up
>>54688089
Sounds right. I shelled out $75 for a new in box 4 cell flat pack.
My 20w T420 charger has exposed wire right near the bit you plug in to the laptop and it's hard to cover up.
There isn't enough amps for it to kill me, right?
>>54689069
Has nothing to do with the amps, the thing charges with around 14-20V, so it wont kill you, wont even feel it. It's like touching a car battery
>>54688631
>Is Linux 100% supported on this machine (as in no hacks required for it to work out of the box)?
No
Best alternative with good support would be X230 with IPS and SSD, it also has 2 DIMM slots!
>>54689146
does the x220 have 100% linux support?
>>54689192
Yes. I'm posting from Linux on my X220 right now.
>>54689192
Yep.
>>54689202
>>>54689192(You)
how performant is youtube or presentation related stuff on it? flash etc are pretty taxing normally, right`?
>>54689220
Flash works flawlessly. HD videos run smoothly.
>>54689241
sounds awesome. prolly gonna buy an x220 for university then.
>>54689241
>>54689202
>>54689220
X230's GPU is much better than X220's one.
>>54689269
Indeed it is. I find the X220 more than sufficient for my personal needs (Shit, I can run Civilization Beyond Earth).
>>54689269
But if I don't want to game with it it's not really worth the shitty keyboard, right?/
Just got my T530.
>> I7
>> 16gb ram
>> 1tb & 180 GB add
>> 1920 x 1080
I don't see all the fuss about the keyboard. Sure Prnt Screen and few other keys are placed inconveniently for no god damn reason. But other than that this little machine is nice.
K suppose I can see why folks like the 14inch screen though.
>>54689310
you can just replace the keyboard, and it's not really shitty as is
deffo get the x230 if you can find one near the price of the x220, it also runs cooler and gets better battery life.
>>54689310
It's only shit if you're a fan of the old layout. Tactile-wise the 230 keyboard is perfectly fine.
>>54689310
There are ways to get the X220 keyboard working fully on the X230 of you're intrepid enough.
>>54689444
Is there a decent guide to get it FULLY working?
>>54689492
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads
was posted in the last thread
>>54689575
>just wanted to post that
Also, I can play GTA:SA on my T420s so I'm happy as can be, but the CPU reaches a maximum of 91 C. Is that going to wear my TihnkPad down a lot?
Is the Lenovo ThinkPad 13 Business Ultrabook worth it? Buying an ~$1000 ultabook
>>54689597
Repaste.
>>54689648
If you don't care about money, it can be difficult to tell if something is "worth it."
I have entered a programming course and I need a nice laptop for that and I can get T420 4180-CA3
for 240$.
Specs:
Intel I5 2520M
500GB HDD
8GB RAM
1600*900 display
Should I buy it?
How hard is it to replace a CMOS battery?
>>54689683
Will do, thanks for the advice
>>54690054
Piss easy.
>>54687817
Is this worth the price on craigslist? $85 for a good condition thinkpad t400. I'd probably toss debian on it or something if I bought it.
>>54690060
according to this test result Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut is the best cooling paste out there at the moment. What do you guys use?
http://overclocking.guide/thermal-paste-roundup-2015-47-products-tested-with-air-cooling-and-liquid-nitrogen-ln2/12/
>>54690135
>150 GB Ram
Holy shit
>>54690209
And people STILL keep trying to tell me SSD isn't a meme.
>>54690195
My Noctua paste just ran out, I have an extremely old unopened tube of MX-2 which I will use next time something needs repasting.
differences are so small that how well you apply it probably matters more
How I can disable intel AMT on my lenovo x220i?
I can click thinkvantage button on startup and there will be "ctrl+p" option for intel AMT setup.
In this setup options I have not got nothing for disable, only few low configurations.
So, is it possible for disable?
Also, when will be libreboot for lenovo x220i?
I am feeling not comfortable, when I am out of basic privacy.
>>54690283
>how well you apply it probably matters more
Yeah, I thought so as well. Is it difficult to do with ThinkPads?
>>54690301
You can't totally disable it so far as I know, but there are BIOS settings that supposedly stop it from actually being able to do anything.
>>54690310
No.
>>54690310
Nah. Really the worst bit of it is that you don't know how well you did until after you fire it up, and with laptops it's extremely annoying to pick everything apart again and reapply if something went wrong.
>>54690371
>reapply if something went wrong.
Would 1 gram be enough?
>>54689575
Does NumPad work?
>>54690411
I have absolutely no idea how much you should put on in grams, but it sounds like that would be too much.
>>54690345
I have not got in bios any menu features for AMT disabling. is it ok?
>>54690421
It's the smallest amount I can buy, I'm just worried that I'd need more than 1 tube if I fuck up only once
>>54690423
I do. Perhaps we're running different versions, try updating to the latest BIOS.
>>54690449
that shouldn't be a worry
>>54690449
More than enough. You can paste 6 machines with a gram.
>>54690509
I've tryed, but all is the same.
Do you have x220i?
>>54690539
No, just a regular X220.
anyone have any experience with newegg refurbs? The x220 looks like it's at a pretty good price.
>>54690577
They're fine, if a bit pricey.
>>54690533
>>54690517
Alright, thanks. Ordered it, should be here tuesday or wednesday
Is it possible to buy old models, but new devices of lenovo thinkpad in canada or usa? Just for note, it will be interesting for me.
>>54690606
Yeah, if you're lucky you might find one on ebay. Seen a T410 still in box go for around $700
>>54690623
how much is x220?
I've taked mine used with 400$, now it costs here ~250 (rub is falled down, so in Rub it is more higher, than was, but in USD it is more cheaper). New device looks like impossible thing here for old models. But I like old design, x220 is perfect for me. I really like it, I just want to pick out all preinstalled backdoors like intel AMT, want to have libreboot...
>>54690696
You can't have libreboot on a X220. The last thinkpads that could have it was the **00 series
I'm thinking of either getting a T400 or X200 to intstall libreboot and gentoo
I need to git gud at linux first though
>>54690301
There will never be libreboot for thinkpad newer than 2008
>>54690760
I like x220, but thinking about x200 only by libreboot reasons. I also like linux and like gentoo, but now I am under ubuntu. I've comppiled gentoo with manual kernel for x200i, so it was good, but right now I need debian based envirounment for my job, but gentoo will be ok as well, i need to think what will be pretty for now, anyway with AMT vulnerabilities I am like without clothes... so ubuntu is ok.
>>54690857
>manual kernel for x200i
for x220i, of course
>>54690857
>>54690876
Yeah I'm on mint now but I kinda want to have the full linux experience. Is it difficult to install gentoo?
>>54690696
You can use coreboot, but not libreboot on an X220.
>>54690929
it is not too hard, but you should to know some basics. just try read gentoo handbook first, installation part, portages and so on.
For manual kernel you can find .config on thinkpadwiki, for example, so it is not too hard, but will not be easy.
>>54690929
I recommend you look into Funtoo. If you can follow a guide, it's not difficult at all. There's a wealth of information.
>>54690992
what is coreboot? much more better, than basic bios? Without backdoors? with opensource and so on?
>>54691016
>>54691019
Thanks, will do both!
>>54690992
thank you for coreboot, will try to use it for my devices.
>>54688733
It's funny, because this is exactly what people here were saying about the X60 in relation to the X220 back in 2011.
>>54689323
The xx30's keyboard is really not all that bad, the bad one is the xx40 and later. The function keys are really the epitome of asinine, pointless design, even if you are a business-oriented Windows user like most people who order Thinkpads new.
>>54691051
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coreboot
>>54691148
No problem.
>>54691160
yes, but the X60's hardware is so outdated nowadays it's not something to recommend anymore. The least shit thinkpad nowadays is a **20. I still have a thinkpad from 1994 and I have to admit: those brits know how to build a high quality computer contrary to the chinks
>>54691207
This, I suggest a T400 and up because it's 64 bit, has LED screens, and the penryns can go up to 3.06GHz.
>>54691207
x220i is the best for today.
Any macbooks are sux.
New thinkpads are so ugly and uncomfortable
I'll need a new laptop for a software engineering school this september and I'm looking at the T460. Could older gens do the job for the 5 years i'll work on it ?
Other laptops that are more gaming oriented seem to have better specs for the money.
>>54690929
I just got Gentoo set up on my X220--in fact, this is my first post from it. The only annoying part I had was with setting up the UEFI bootloader and finding the right device drivers for audio to work. Been a really fun, enlightening experience so far. 10/10
>>54691375
to clarify, the UEFI bootloader was painful because I'm retarded
>>54691375
>your first post from your first gentoo installation is directed to me
that's a lot of honor, anon
I'll look deeper into it after this semester (only one more week to go)
>>54690135
T400 is a really nice laptop. GPU can struggle a little bit with some web pages but it's otherwise really fast with a nice hard drive.
I use a maxed out one as my main laptop.
>>54691207
I actually have a 600X, and I am constantly fucking amazed at how much better it is, as a machine, than the modern offerings. In particular, I can't believe that the TN panel on a computer first introduced in fucking December of 1999 is brighter and has better viewing angles than the T440, which supposedly has 14 years of progress on its side.
>>54691231
I think the T410 is a better choice for most people than the T400. Still has the 16:10 screen, only now it's in the centre and the keyboard isn't as mushy. The first Nehalem processors were also just such a quantum leap over the Peryns that you may as well pay the extra $20-$40 to get one.
>>54691457
True, those Arrandales are really good
>>54690992
>coreboot
Looks, like I need some programmator for it?
i am afraid to crash all, because it is my last notebook, lol. Any step by step easy instructions or video for lenovo x220i?
What programmator will be ok and how much it costs on aliexpress, for example?
>>54691439
I notice my T400 with an SSD an Loonix is actually considerably snappier than my supposedly more powerful W520 with Windows and a 7200RPM HDD. Haven't noticed any slowdowns on any websites of any kind.
Speaking of which, I'm thinking of throwing a 512 GB Samsung 850 Pro into the W520. I figure it should tie me over until the Thinkpad Classic (or T92, whatever they're calling it) is released. Thoughts?
>>54691596
It's just the SSD. They're a must in laptops these day.
Seeing as it's a W-series, I'd probably get a small SSD and a bigger HDD in the ultrabay. Cheaper and better, and the extra weight won't matter.
>>54690577
Newegg has always treated me well at the cost of overpaying.
Urgent question for other x220 users
What are your idle temps and what are your temps when using the laptop at near max cpu capacity?
I think i fucked up my pasting and its about 36 at absolutely no usage, 58 idle-ish (firefox 1 tab) and 88 if im opening up a fully fleshed pro tools session.
God damnit I do NOT want to have to completely take this laptop apart again
>>54691708
>58 idle-ish (firefox 1 tab)
seems pretty high, I'm only at 44 C right now with 12 tabs open
I use a T420s that needs new thermal paste
>>54691759
T420S would have better heat sink and fan though wouldn't it?
I thought I did the paste right, I put on a tiny amount and evenly spread it out with an old ID card.
Maybe the paste was too old? idk
Maybe it needs a new heat sink.
Feeling like it could just be the 2520M runs too hot.
Does anybody own a X240? Theyre going for 670 NZD atm and I'm kinda tempted to get one
>>54691526
I'm sorry, I've not personally done the procedure yet. I'm planning to buy a cheapo Chinese USB programmer though, and just program it right on the board with some leads.
Just on price point, why not get a netbook over an older thinkpad
>>54692316
Becwause it's not a full-featured notebook.
>>54692316
A Thinkpad's CPU will eat any netbook's for breakfast, even Core 2 Duo holds its own well against Cherry Trail Atoms and Core M. Sandy Bridge is just a fucking massacre. Thinkpads are serviceable and modular high-end business hardware, netbooks are disposable bottom-end consumer hardware. Netbooks also care little about their input devices, while Thinkpad keyboards and trackpoints are one of their biggest draws.
Different devices for different use cases at the end of the day, but I'd always choose an X220 over a netbook when given the option.
>>54691639
I use the optical drive a lot though. Yes, I know, 2015 and all, but most of my music collection is from the 1990s.
>>54692509
>muh bussiness hardware
It's the same shitty ABS shink plastic.
>>54692575
Carbon fiber reinforced plastic with a magnesium alloy rollcage my man
>>54692602
That's the new name of the ABS now?
>>54691791
Took the heatsink off, this is the state of the paste.
I dunno what to make of this, was there not enough? Did it burn away? Somebody explain this to me
>tfw you bought your T430 last sunday and got 2 day shipping but you bought it from a lazy seller
It's there a way to mod a X220 to put a IPS screen on it?
>>54689724
grotesquely overpriced, 180 at the very max.
>>54692640
there's way too much, you could've toasted the CPU had you used a conductive paste.
>>54692697
Fuck, i thought i was being conservative with it, ill try a grain of rice-sized drop next time.
If i post a pic of my next attenpted pasting, could i get advice on whether Ive done it right or not?
>>54691375
Same brother. What bootloader did you use?
>>54691065
Using genkernel makes things easier
Where should I buy a 9 volt battery for my new T420?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/9-cell-Battery-For-LENOVO-ThinkPad-T410-T410i-T420-T510-T510i-T520-T520i-42T4733-/381288890497?hash=item58c696c081:g:pMkAAOSwBLlVdeBE
Was looking at this, needs to be located in Canada though
>>54692888
http://www.amazon.com/CWK-Capacity-W520-4281-xxx-W520-4282-xxx-W520-4284-xxx/dp/B00S120XAQ
T530 is fucking wonderful assuming you aren't a manlet and can handle it being slightly heavy. That is all.
>tfw the 500gb in my t420 is near death
Going 250gb boot ssd and 1tb HDD general storage. I might get a 1tb ssd once they get cheaper.
Anyone here ever bought from a pawnshop? There's a W510 for $200 but I'm afraid of pawn shops desu. I only went the first time because a friend of a friend needed help picking up stereos.
>>54693615
>W510
>$200
Workstations are nice, but you can get a nice T420 and maybe a T520 for that money.
Is it worth upgrading a T410 from a i5-520M to a i7-640M?
Is it normal to get less battery life on Linux rather than Windows? At 60% brightness I'm getting 5 hours on windows and 3 1/2 hours on Linux. W520 if it matters.
>>54694005
I think Nvidia Optimus support is really shitty on Linux to the point where it might as well not exist. That would probably be the main culprit there, on Windows it turns the GPU off when it isn't needed but Linux leaves it running unless you disable it in BIOS.
X220 tablet, $165, screen looks clean, guy sent me pics of BIOS and everything looks good. Should I pull the trigger? I'm a little confused because he's Jewish (he has anime figures and yamulkes on his desk), I'd expect a higher price.
what is the most powerful thinkpad i can get for 400 dollars? the w520? it also doesn't have to be a thinkpad. i'm just looking for the most powerful laptop for around 400 dollars new or used.
>>54694154
I wouldn't do it, if not just out of spite.
>>54694139
Or install some drivers for it. I use bumblebee and the nvidia binaries, and everything works flawlessly. Card turns off when not in use, and muh gaymes work well with primusrun.
>>54692623
Yeah, sure, I polished the ABS to a mirror shine.
>Looking at X220s on ebay
>same photo on all listings with only "IN WORKING ORDER" under condition description
xD
>>54694559
Do you think they're gonna take a picture of each individual x220...?
They probably have 100-200+ units.
>>54694559
xddd
>>54694591
>sell used product without giving any information about it
xD
>>54694609
xdddddddd!!!!11!
Stupid question inc:
If you replace the X220 display do the visible part when the laptop is assembled come out too? I mean if theres scratches on the "screen" when I buy an X220 and I swap it for an IPS display, there wont be scratches when its reassemble?
>>54687817
anyone hackintoshed el cap on an x201?
I want to have a mac os server, and for some reason VMware can't run the VM anymore.
alternatively does anyone know of a way to temporarily bring back the gpu in my 2011 macbook pro? I can't get it to boot into mac os without removing the dgpu drivers, but then it thinks theres a screen attached and I can't use the igpu so it makes the OS unusably slow
>>54694713
Nah the scratches are on the actual monitor.
Thats why you ahould look after laptop screens
>>54694342
sexual
>>54694713
It should be a whole new screen assembly with digitizer so no scratches.
Ok repasting
Is this too much or not enough?
>>54695159
Slightly too much but it's fine.
Hey /tpg/, I got an old X300 for free and both Windows 7 and Windows 10 are really lethargic (the latter to the point of being unusable, plus the trackpoint doesn't work). I'm thinking of trying Linux, which would be better: Ubuntu 14.04, or Xubuntu 14.04?
>>54695229
>>54695229
Seems to be absolute idling ok, going to load up that pro tools session and see what the temps are
>>54695247
I have an X301 and Xubuntu seems to be the best.
>>54695311
Got 65°C highest during the session but i hadnt put the whole thing back together, so dubious about what the temps will be when its completely enclosed again
>>54695323
Does the X300 seem to slow down a lot using Ubuntu? I previously tried installing 14.04 on a T60 but it seemed more than it could handle. I sort of chalked that down to the GMA 950 but it's my understanding that the T2300 is not substantially less powerful than the L7100.
What's the lowest reasonable price I can get for literally any model?
All of the ones going for what I would consider very cheap don't have HDD or AC adapters.
I need one exclusively for coding and linux fuckery
>>54695409
>>54695229
Decided id give it another go and ypu were right it was too much, but why does it look like this? So very thinly spread? Am i screwing on the heatsink on too tightly?
>>54695544
I bought my 600X for $20
Pentium III and 128 megs of RAM will work wonders under Linux.
>>54695577
The spread is ruined when you take the heatsink off.
>>54695593
Right right, duh. so just a bit less then, cheers
What's the cheapest thinkpad that will play 1080p scene/p2p encodes?
>>54695577
It is supposed to be thinly spread. Heatsink paste is not as good as a perfectly microscopically flat mating between the core and the heatsink, it's just better than air.
>>54695615
Probably the X201.
>>54695615
My T60p can handle 1080p anime just fine, but struggles with 1080p live action for some reason.
>>54695577
does having too much even really matter?
better to have too much than too little
>>54695914
Animated stuff requires far lower bitrates than live action.
>>54695923
The difference between too much and the right amount was 85 deg c under load to 65 deg c under load
>>54696010
my ass you can get 65c under full load on pretty much any laptop
>>54696032
>you can get 65c under full load on pretty much any laptop
65°C under full load on a laptop is a serious feat
Apart from the keyboard, are there any advantages of getting the T430/T430U over the T420?
>>54696160
Disadvantages* ops
Can the CPU on a T420 be replaced (using core/libreboot), if its the nVidia GPU version?
Google says both yes and no, and I am very confused.
>>54696182
Yes. And no.
>>54695247
Xubuntu all the way, xfce works very nice on the x300, unity would slow it down like windows did. Especially if it only has 2gb of ram.
>>54695247
Xubuntu > Ubuntu regardless
>>54696249
>>54696316
It actually has 4 gigs, which is nice. I installed Ubuntu 14.04 just because it was already downloaded and I had it on a stick, and it just flies on the X300. An hour so far and no slowdowns. All hardware works perfectly, which amazingly is something I could not say about Windows 10.
One thing I noticed is this wear level count indicator in the Disks application. I think this is using the original 64 GB SSD. Should I be at all concerned with this value?
anyone got a p50?
>>54696385
>>54696316
Everyone on /g/ likes xubuntu. Almost over night.
>>54691457
I think the X300/X301 is about on par with the 600X in terms of build quality and attention to detail. It really was the flagship Thinkpad of the time, a top-drawer business machine which only the elite could afford. Its size and weight is nothing to write home about today but in 2008 it was the one of a kind, only the Macbook Air really had an edge over those things in terms of thinness and they sucked in just about every other performance metric.
If the Retro Thinkpad ends up being anything like the X301, I'd buy it in about 3 seconds.
>>54697376
The blog mentioned their 'Milestone X301', so that's most likely what they're going for.
I bought a X220 with non os installed.
Now I wanna start fedora live image from my usb stick. In BIOS the system says "Boot" only "PCI LAN IBA GE SLOT" or "ATA HDD0". By "Network Boot" I can choice between HDD, CD and my USB Stick. But nothing happend by the next start. Halp?
What's the deal with OSless laptops?
>>54698035
I prefer them, they're cheaper and easy to get because normies won't go anywhere near them.
>>54698035
There's a good deal of money to be saved when buying non-windows used PCs.
>>54697376
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hnOCUkbix0
>>54698035
I just received one that said it had no OS. I booted it up and it had Win 7 Pro but was throwing up all sorts of errors. I turned it off, pulled the battery and rebooted. It asked if I wanted to start windows normally and I did. Upgraded to Win 10 and everything works perfectly. I suppose it's hit or miss though.
>>54698380
Thank you, it has been awhile since I've seen that.
>>54698035
For some companies, the time/money spent on installing an OS, drivers, software and QC on it is too much of a hassle than just plugging it in and turning it on.
>>54697376
The only thing is that there are some rub marks on the LCD because the bumpers are so thin, I have rub marks of the trackpad, and even the keyboard. Trackpoint is seen but it is apparent with most thinkpads, yet the LCD bezel has rub marks from the media keys.
Love it though, best keyboard/size factor.
>>54695914
Depends on the format/codecs but unless the movie has very low or bland backgound, it would always be more choppier than anime because the video is more 'busy' with colors/objects always changing
>>54692518
Exact Audio Copy
>>54695544
$100 Core 2 Duo
$130 1st gen i5
$150 2nd Gen i5
$180 3rd gen i5
Just make sure before you are buying they come included with an AC adapter.. oh wait you didnt need that, well I checked before reading that, these should be ready to go.
ThinkPads
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/262446540765
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/282009685932
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/262446793366
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/351719705670
Elitebooks
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/301963804475
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/162065476516
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/272250315602
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/282046220316
Too tired to go any further, I am almost finished with the Ultraportable Sandy Bridge pricing page but there's a few things I have to check still.
Hopefully it will be up soon on the website. (:
>>54698874
>none of those ships to the Netherlands
;_;
If anyone can find a cheap T400 that is in the EU or with an US seller that ships to the EU, let me know
is a Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 2.4 GHz fast enough on a T400 to browse the web without any problems?
>>54698940
Also, is easy to replace the CPU on a T400 if I find it too slow anyway?
>>54698940
>>54698961
I'd suggest the 6 megabyte cache T series core 2 duos for modern use, and there cheap.
i just got my t420 with integrated graphics
it has a 1600x900 lg display
and it hurts my eyes after 10 minutes
ive tried to calibrate it but it doesnt help
i have another laptop dv6-6c35dx with a 1366x768 display that doesnt hurt my eyes
anyone else with a 1600x900 display that can chime in?
>>54694198
>cant do an ebay search for whatever they want and then post the pricing limit for $400
Fine...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/PC-Laptops-Netbooks/177/i.html?_sop=10&_sac=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&LH_BIN=1&_oac=1&_from=R40&_nkw=i7%2016GB&_dcat=177&rt=nc&_udlo&_udhi=400
8560w $235
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/272250389128
8760w $265
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/121993573041
W520 $319 + HARD DRIVE
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/291769207525
>just sold a W530 for $500 after upgrading RAM to 16GB and had bought it for $250
Out of all of them, I recommend this machine
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/172212708233
>>54698940
Definately
4GB RAM and u are set
Would help if u had discrete graphics but not a big deal.
>>54693615
I highly doubt a pawnshop would have a decent priced or tested computer...
>>54698904
Oh fug.
There's always an EU TPF member thats selling something.
Check their marketplace, though they may be weary of you first since you're a new member.
I did buy from Arrow Direct an 8760w for $270, shit was cash.
Can someone confirm that 128GB micro-sd cards work with X230 card-reader?
Thanks.
>>54699066
I have this display and machine
nVidia graphics though
what exactly is your problem with it?
Make sure you are running at the full refresh rate and resolution.
Try a different color calibration.
>>54698961
haha
wouldnt pay more than 40$ for that worthless shit
>>54699103
either im not used to the new resolution or something but its hurts my eyes after a few minutes
my hp is also hooked up to a 1920x1080 and it doesnt hurt my eyes at all switching between the two
but when i start using my t420 i cant stand it
it also seems like the text arent consistent in sharpness
sometimes titles on certain things will be blur while the rest are crisp
>>54698874
thanks so much anon
>tfw it's so close but so far
W510. Am I going to be disappointed? Will I be able to bench press it?
Is there a noticeable performance difference between the x300/x301 or does the improved cpu/ddr3/graphics make a difference in use?
>>54696541
My current x300 I just got has 2gb, it halts and freezes if I get a few tabs open, can't wait to get more ram. (or possibly a x301)
>>54699000
Thanks, don't they use a lot more power though? Wouldn't they drain the battery a lot more easily?
>>54699079
>Definately
>4GB RAM and u are set
Yeah, it comes with 3 so I wanted to upgrade it to 4 or 8 and put an SSD in there
I also plan on running gentoo on it so it should be blazing fast, r-right?
>There's always an EU TPF member thats selling something.
>Check their marketplace, though they may be weary of you first since you're a new member.
I'd love to check it out, but I can't find their url, google doesn't give me much
>>54699154
Are you sure you replied to the right anon?
>>54696160
replacement batteries cost more because there's some drm or some shit in them so you can't use older batteries in them.
although that has probably been bypassed a long time ago
How do the T420 and T420s compare? Is there any reason for getting the T420 if they're similarly priced? I work at a desk, so battery life isn't a major factor unless there is a massive difference. I'm mainly considering this 420s because it has an SSD already:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=EXNBKLEN4207&name=Lenovo-ThinkPad-T420s-Ultrabook-14-i5-2520M-4GB-32
(excuse NZ pricing)
>>54700377
The T420S also has the advantage of having a USB 3.0 port while the T420 only has USB 2.0 ports.
I'm currently still waiting on my T420S to arrive, hopefully tomorrow. Also got the confirmation that my FHD Mod kit has been send, so I can start looking for a AU Optronics IPS FHD Screen.
>>54700377
There is a major battery difference. Also, the 420s has over heating problems above the already warm 420.
>>54699093
Anyone?
I am from Catalonia
Where do I buy Lanugo laptop?
What would cause my display to get crazy distortion when I lightly press on it? I mean like the image stretches horizontally.
>>54700760
overheating issues can be solved by replacing the cooling paste and using TPFanControl.
And having the possibility to swap out the optical drive for a 3 cell battery and easily installing a FHD screen is also a major advantage of the T420S.
Just bought a Lelnovo Chinkpad Yoga, r8 & h8
Would this RAM board be good for the t430? Planning to get two of them
>>54701242
That backlit keyboard
>>54701292
Thinkwiki says that the T430 supports 1600MHz Ram, you could use these but they would be underclocked (maybe you can get cheaper ones with 1600MHz). And I not sure if the T430 supports DDR3L, going with DDR3 is a safer decision.
>>54701242
I only like that the i has a light in it - I hope you can toggle it off though
Related to the guy up there, I quite like how comparatively easy it is to repaste something that is not an X220.
Emerging libreoffice and things top out at 83°C again, so yay for that.
>>54699079
I found the discrete graphics on the T400 were more of a hindrance than an asset. The drivers are so old (last updated in late 2010 I believe) that they've almost reached the point of uselessness, and even with the discrete graphics engaged, the integrated graphics still reserve a portion of the RAM. And Linux plays nicer with the Intel chip.
>>54699429
I wish the X301 was available with i series CPUs.
>>54701853
I just repasted my X220 yesterday. It was not nearly as grueling as I thought it would be.
Sup senpaitachi
I'd like to buy a stinkpad because I hear great things about reliability and durability.
Can anyone recommend me one (discontinued or current) that isn't 1" thick and 250kg?
Thanks.
>>54701973
X220
>>54701959
just removing keyboard(bezel) and the screen > removing practically everything there is.
Those VGA screws, man.
>>54701981
>1.2 inches thick
U wot
>>54701999
You don't need to remove the screen, I don't know why the hardware manual tells you to.
>>54702002
It's 1 inch exactly with the 4 cell battery. Best you're going to get unless you want to sacrifice power.
>>54702009
imo it makes it easier to remove the heatsink/fan
>>54696160
Objectively no.
>>54702043
Perhaps you're right. I found it pretty easy in any case. The worst part was taking the mobo out and putting it back in with the hardware manual stressing over and over not to flex the board.
>>54702055
> not to flex the board
I'm not how that would be possible.
If my X220 had a dick I'd suck it.
What isnthe opinion about the thinkpad 13?
It is starting at 510$ for the base model!
>>54702187
With backlit keyboard it would be the one, now it's just great. Guess they won't consciously make the ThinkPad we need.
>>54702243
It's the thinkpad we deserve
>>54701938
Given how warm the X300 and X301 run with just the low voltage processors, they'd probably catch fire if you threw in an Arrandale or Sandy Bridge CPU.
Can't wait for the X300 remake
>>54701226
Not so sure about that. I repasted my T410s with Arctic Silver 5, cleaned out the whole cooling system and started uaing tpfancontrol. Damn thing still runs at upwards of 70c quite regularly. Meanwhile my W520 was repasted with just run-of-the-mill ceramic stuff and the damn thing idles around 38c, rarely gets over 65c.
The "s" line just has the age-old Apple issue of full voltage processors in a thin case with limited heat dissipation.
>>54702016
1inch isn't less than 1 inch tho senpai.
>never get actual help from /tpg/
Oh that's right /g/ is just consumer reviews. Nobody actually knows how to do anything other than link benchmarks.
>>54702574
I know. Like I said it's the best you can do without buying a gimped laptop. X1 carbon is thin as fuck, but good luck upgrading anything.
>>54698505
>using the previous owner's borked OS
>>54702055
Lost the ethernet port that way. Probably broke a solder joint. Pretty bummed but haven't tried fixing it yet.
>>54702797
I just occurred to me that I haven't even tested mine. Will have to do so later. I hope it's as easy as fixing one solder point on yours, Anon.
>>54702838
Godly Luck. Hopefully you weren't a gorilla like I was.
Mine still shows up in device manager or lspci/ifconfig but...no connectivity (no lights even) when I plug in a cable. I've swapped different/known good cables and I get nothing.
Post your ThinkPad desktops
Is 1366x768 on a 12" really so bad? I'm afraid to move on from my 1400x1050 12" which at times can be a little too high dpi.
Is this horrifically disfigured x200 tablet worth 100 bucks?
>win7
>1.87 ghz
>4gb RAM
Waiting to hear back about the HDD, if its small im fine just replacing it but honestly won't need more than like 50 gigs free space
Removing all this trash (not to mention the buttFUGLY starbucks sticker near the trackpad) will be a hassle but in the end seems like a nice deal, nay?
>>54703560
If it's in good condition under all that shit, I'd say it's a good deal. I bought a replacement lid for my X220 that was taped the fuck up, and it came out fine.
>>54703560
>buy business class laptop
>cover it in memes
>>54703638
Its a cruel, funny world we live in
>>54703616
Thanks
Anyone have any experience drawing with the x200? How would u rate it for drawin/designing?
>>54703651
I'm not sure how easily the material will react to having these stickers ripped off. Not sure if they'll leave an imprint or not. I've bought ThinkPads before that have marks that look like they were left by stickers.
>>54703638
if only it were memes, that's just trash
>>54703674
I've rubbed similar marks off with mild soap and warm water. It just takes patience.
>>54703674
Im sure a little nailpolish remover will do just fine
Ofc. If anyone has any products to recc for sticker removal, pls do
>>54703696
I personally would avoid using solvents on the rubberized finish, not sure how it would react.
>>54703674
Use cleaning alcohol (70-90% should be cheap as fuck) and some cleaning vinegar afterwards, made my ThinkPad look as new again. If the material is the same as on a T420s it shouldn't damage it.
