Is /g/ the last bastion of anti-capitalism on 4chan?
>>54619575
Fuck off commie. Go back to your gay orgy with other Sanders supporters.
>>54619591
firspostbestpost
op is a faggot
/r/politics
/r/cuckforpresident
>>54619575
/g/ is consumerism and computer assistance, the board.
>>54619575
Why would it be? Technology is driven by capitalism.
I'd rather be dead than red you commie piece of shit. Socialism is no better than communism either.
Capitalism, ho!
>>54619575
You forgot >>>/biz/
>>54619575
/leftypol is the place you are looking for, anon
>>54620254
>technology is driven by capitalism
>>54620374
>8gag
>>54620407
Stupid people think that because technology is driven by capitalism in a capitalist society that it will starve and die without it. Technology is actually one of the few things communism would be great for... until the entire fucking world collapsed because it's a terrible idea.
>>54619575
Almost done every other board has less consumerism.
>>54619591
Republic/Democracy != Capitalism
Although Capitalism is traditionally considered an economic system it is now a viable form of government where control is indirect (and comes from the rich).
>>54620254
Yea, that's why Nazi Germany consisted of dirt-farmers. And why the Soviet Union never stood a chance against America.
L2History
>>54619575
FUCK THE BERN!
>>54620283
>Capitalism, ho!
It's really disappointing how many people fail to understand government. America is a republic as are many other western nations. Capitalism wasn't intended as a form of government because making it one is a fucking retarded idea.
>>54620451
Capitalism aligns what technology gets developed and what research gets done with things that are useful to stuff people want to use and that makes their lives better.
Work force automation is capitalisms last stand.
>>54620761
I'd just like to interject for a moment, what you are referring to as capitalism is in fact Republic/Capitalism or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Republic + Capitalism. Capitalism is not a government unto itself, but rather an economic system of a fully functioning society made useful by the people comprising a full nation as defined by constitution.
If bernie doesn't win then I'm moving to Venezuela, fuck capitalism.
>>54620801
No, capitalism requires competition to function, creating pointless boundaries known as companies which fight each other rather than work together, slowing progress in order to milk consumers more effectively.
>>54620879
meme'd well but capitalism can exist in any form of government, including Socialism and Communism. The difference would be citizen control over the controls put in place for capitalism. Technically N. Korea is a Dictatorship+Capitalist nation. Outside companies are permitted to operate in N. Korea although it's an absolutely terrible idea (a dictatorship can claim your assets at any time).
>>54619575
>>54620933
It's a seductive dream to think that planning can replace competition. It can't. A cooperative, rather than competitive, economy requires planners.
For one, the planners necessarily have only a 30,000-foot view of what's going on in the economy. They can never have enough information about economic preferences at the level of individuals and individual companies to be able to take them into account.
For another, creating a planning bureaucracy ties the whole economy to an institution that has every incentive to decline into sclerotic inefficiency and corruption. If there's a shortage of boots capitalism responds immediately - prices go up, and profit-seeking individuals and companies smell money and set about producing, importing, and selling more boots. As opposed to that happening only if the planners realize it's going on, and if they do realize, getting around to ordering some factory to produce boots.
And finally, you have the central failing of collectivist systems - how do you handle people who don't want to go along with diktats from the planning committee? You either sacrifice any semblance of a free society and give government complete control over people's lives, with the ability to use force to get them to comply, or you have people who go off and run their own affairs the way they want to, which makes your planning department ineffectual and superfluous.
I should especially note,
>slowing progress in order to milk consumers more effectively.
if consumers are being milked, the high profits being made attract competitors to the market to provide the same goods and services for lower prices. The central failing we have today isn't the presence of competition, it's that we have too little of it, thanks to heavy government regulation.
>>54620933
The nature of capitalism is collection. You have several companies that have the ability to buy smaller companies. They do so to eliminate competition and integrate any useful processes/technologies. Capitalism is essentially survivalism, the equivalent in nature would be if humans exterminated all other forms of life on the planet because it is most useful to our survival.
>>54619575
true freedom is sleeping on other people's couches and eating bits of your feet while reading articles that you've emailed to yourself about bernie sanders on your lemote yeeloong.
>>54621202
>The central failing we have today isn't the presence of competition, it's that we have too little of it, thanks to heavy government regulation.
I can somewhat agree with this. (Not the guy you were responding to). A great example deals with cable companies as ISPs. It started out in the 60s/70s with cable companies being given HUGE leniency with taxes and monopoly status to attract them to towns. Once they got there they quickly made sure no competition could exist. They'd either undercut them at a loss or sue them out of business. The tactics are the same today, if you try to form an ISP, cable companies will actually try to sue you out of business. They won't make legitimate claims, but you still have to appear in court to avoid a default ruling. It'd be really entertaining to crowdsource against them. Get thousands of people to file frivolous lawsuits knowing that the company cannot respond to all of them. The cable companies get default rulings and lose millions.
>>54621202
>he central failing we have today isn't the presence of competition, it's that we have too little of it, thanks to heavy government regulation
Such government regulation was lobbied in by corporations in the first place.
>>54622725
>Such government regulation was lobbied in by corporations in the first place.
Very this.
Lobbyists are shitbags.
everyone in this thread should kill themself
>>54619575
In all honersty: you have a lot of commies on /pol/ and /b/.
Also tech should not be about politics.
>>54622877
There's some relevance. Progression of technology thrives on competition. It's not 100% necessary but it helps speed things up.
>>54622806
sorry *themselves
>>54619575
/g/ is by far the most consumerfag board on the site.
>>54619575
Gnu+Cuck or Gnu/Cuck
>>54620254
This.
All progress is driven by capitalism. No better system exists.
>>54620933
>He is complaining about competition in the markets, without realizing that Capitalism provided him the computer he is typing on.
>>54623193
>Made in PRC
>>54623193
That's the irony of the freetard movement. They bite the hand that feeds them.
>>54620720
>L2History
both fell, dafuq is wrong with you
To all the cucks defending capitalism ITT: I hope you enjoy all the Pajeets capitalism is bringing in to replace you for less than minimum wage.
If you are a worker and a reactionary at the same time, you deserve all the bad things that happen to you. If you claim to be pro-software freedom but still defends capitalism, then you have cognitive dissonance problems.
Also, if you love capitalism so much, then why aren't you working 16 hours a day in a factory alongside your wife and kids for 1 dollar a day?
>>54623504
Daily reminder that every time you download free software, you download communism.
Capitalism is a product of natural human interaction over thousands of years. It wasn't invented, it is literally a name for humans doing what humans do (fucking trading)
Ever since I saw that RMS pic I've devoted my life to making proprietary software and taking people's freedoms.
>>54620720
The only reason the USSR and Nazi Germany pushed ahead with technology was because they were at war, or preparing for war, ie the cold war. That form of competition pushed them forward.
Unless you are proposing we constantly be at war to create a competitive environment, instead of using capitalism.
>>54623550
I think a reasonable balance can be had between free software and paid software. I do tend to lean toward the RedHat model though where you're paying for the support, not the software.
>>54623604
>Unless you are proposing we constantly be at war to create a competitive environment
Oh you mean like the majority of America's existence?
>>54623587
You are extremely ignorant of history, economics and even etymology, because you don't even realize the origin of the name "capitalism".
Capitalism is nowhere natural, that's nothing but libertarian rhetoric, and it's easy to refute: do you believe money reproduces? Do you think it's possible for two coins together to procreate?
If you said yes, you need a headcheck. If you said no, like you should, then you realize it is unnatural for money to generate money. And that's exactly what happens in capitalism, and whence it gets its name.
"Capital" comes from the Latin and means literally "head". More specifically, of cattle, because that was a common manner of exchange in the Roman Empire. That's what money is: an exchange tool. That's not what happens in capitalism.
In capitalism, money has become a wealth begetter in itself.
>"I make my money multiply as fast as those sheep." (Shylock, The Merchant of Venice)
>>54623633
No I don't mean like most of America's existence. Nothing has really challenged America since the fall of the USSR.
Fighting with shitty middle eastern countries is not comparable to the Cold War.
>>54623735
No, that's exactly what happens in capitalism. Money isn't just a means of exchange, it's a means of measuring and quantifying value, which facilitates exchange. When Shylock multiplies his money, he's just saying that he can measure how much his stuff is worth, and that his actions make that number go up.
It's perfectly natural and 100% unobjectionable to use the stuff you have to get other stuff that's worth more. People have been doing that ever since the first guy to domesticate sheep realized that if he didn't kill them and eat them this year, he could have a larger flock next year. Or that he could keep them alive, shear off the wool, trade the wool for food to live off of, and have some food left over to trade for another sheep, so that he'd have more wool next year, and so on.
Why would any of this be immoral or wrong?
>>54623838
>shitty middle eastern countries
>ISIS continuously pwn 'murka in the Middle East and would be even worse if it wasn't for Russia
wew
>>54623894
>When Shylock multiplies his money, he's just saying that he can measure how much his stuff is worth, and that his actions make that number go up.
You're simply outright dumb, a shill, or have never read the play. He's clearly and unequivocally referring to usury.
>Why would any of this be immoral or wrong?
Literally EVERY moral code out there condemns usury.
>>54623838
The entire drone industry revolves around the Middle East. Defense contractors are making billions off the conflicts. America definitely sees them as a credible threat.
>>54619591
Sanders is a better choice than Trump.
>>54623902
>fighting the groups we arm
Brah. There's a reason why America isn't killing ISIS, and it's not because sandniggers are good at hiding.
Who won the Vietnam war?
>>54619575
>not capitalism
>not socialism
>not communism
>not liberalism
>not conservatism
/g/ is loyal to consumerism, and will die to defend it.
>hey guys, im thing about buying (x), what do you think?
>i bought (x) for $(y}, did i do good?
>guy on craigslist is selling (x) for (y), should i buy?
>headphone/phone/laptop thread
pic is you.
>>54623919
Usury is a completely arbitrary definition. If there is to be credit at all - if anyone is to loan anything to anyone else for any reason - who's to say that 15.99% APR is fine while 16.0% is exploitative? Furthermore, nobody can force anyone else to take a loan. If you as a prospective borrower think that the lender is asking too much for the temporary use of his funds, do without. Don't take the money.
Another fundamental thing about a free market - no trade takes place unless both sides think they're winding up better off as a result of it. Anyway why is it any business of yours what lenders choose to charge others, and what rates those others choose to accept?
>>54624013
>>54623838
America is under no threat from terrorism or some boogieman in the middle east. The only real threat from these two are for politicians, who would be voted out in an instant if they were "soft on [insert communism, drugs, crime, terrorism, CP, or any other emotionally-charged topic]".
When they talk about terrorism being a threat to "national security," this is what they mean: if another terrorist attack happens and we voted against anti-terrorism funding, we might be voted out. That's it. It's not the physical security of the people, it's the threat to power of the corporate and political class that drives the war on [insert emotionally charged word].
By creating this external threat, politicians are able to rally the domestic populations and distract them from the issues that really matter to them. It's the oldest trick in the book.
>>54624398
A war is war in any form.
>>54624390
I wonder who could be behind this post...
This can 23 MBps (or more if use better performance or optimization)
More info with keyword: NIST Hash_DRBG (like Rng)
Name: FriendCipher (on GitHub), version: 0.5
Source: C (fast), C++ (readable)
^^ sorry, wrong site
>>54624398
Hello, Ahmed.
>>54624464
Wars have very different natures. You can't really compare a war like WW2 and a war like Vietnam. One war a clearly defined war amongst nations, the other was a proxy war with no defined objectives.
The motives for fighting a war matter as well. Wars of conquest like the Mexican-American War can hardly be compared to the War of 1812.
War is a very broad term. How do you fight a war against poverty, or drugs, or terrorism, or communism? There's no objective measure of victory other than complete elimination of those concepts, which is impossible.
>>54621273
>I WILL DISMANTLE THIS OPPRESSIVE ESTABLISHMENT BOARD BY BOARD
>>54624690
blog*
>>54624695
I'm not muslim, I'm just someone with a brain. If the goal is saving American lives, a war against McDonalds or General Motors would be a more effective use of our tax dollars. Hell, pigs kill more Americans than terrorists, perhaps a war on pigs would be a good idea.
>>54619575
>the fruits of a man's labor belongs to the state
>>54624701
In terms of advancement they're the same. There are new industries cropping up because of the Middle East.
>>54624763
>the fruits of a man's labour belong to his boss
>>54624741
>I'm not a Muslim, but I hate pigs
Lol ok Ahmed.
>>54623550
>muh free software
>runs on a Chinkpad made in a sweatshop specifically made to be consumed by the capitalist part of the world
>>54624821
not an argument
>>54624821
two men are capable of freely coming to an agreement. if a man accepts an agreement that he will work for my company for a given amount of pay a month, why do i owe him more? is he incapable of making decisions for himself?
>>54624894
What's the point of this webm?
>>54624894
This >>54624763 isn't an argument either, you corporate cuck.
>>54619575
>19575▶>>54619591 >>54620242 >>54620254 >>54620346 >>54620374 >>54620654 >>54620736 >>54621200 >>54621273 >>54622877 >>54623013 >>54623101 >>54624261 >>54624763
>>54624933
>two men are capable of making an agreement
>but society organized as the state can't
You're clinically retarded.
>>54624953
>>54624958
>>54624821
>Proving communism is a lie
Good game
>>54624978
Nice meme.
>>54624977
i never made an agreement with the state to give them money in return for muh roads. if i refuse to take part in that "agreement" you call it, i get taken to jail. not an argument
>>54624763
>>54624894
Nice hypocrisy, you bastard. Didn't expect anything else from a filthy reactionary.
>>54625023
literally not an argument
>>54619575
capitalism goes everywhere these days.
>>54625003
>what is a republic?
>what are elections?
>what is democracy?
>what is voting?
>what is quorum?
>what are the bases of civilization?
Show me the lolbertardian and I'll show you a hypocrite who bashes public roads but still uses them.
>Capitalism creates tech and everything because capitalism is gr8
What are workers?
Thread full of dinguses
Nowhere on 4chan except some of /lit/ a year ago was anywhere close to anti capitalism, the only reason I'm here is for dank maymays and leftypol sucks most of the time.
>>54624704
Thank you tovarish
>>54625003
If that "agreement" didn't take place, you wouldn't have private property in the first place, you moron. Without order and the recognition and securement of our rights provided by the state, we'd go back to the stone age of rule of the strongest. Might makes right. Your private property is only yours until someone stronger shows up to take it away. "Libertarian society" is an oxymoron.
>>54625049
2/10, when you repeat yourself too much everyone figures out right away you're just trolling
>>54625070
so, if enough people in my country decide it's morally acceptable to take my property, that makes it ok? if enough people in my country decide it's ok to use a woman's vagina as public property, that makes it ok as well then? because my property is as much my property as a woman's vagina is her vagina. it's not up to you to decide what you get from me, yet the state takes my property by force anyways. you are very protective of your masters for a piece of human cattle
>>54623546
>soviet union
>fell
lol, have you heard of Putin?
>>54625129
at least the man who beats me over the head with a stick and takes my money doesn't have people on an anime image board defending his right to do so
>>54624978
>if I keep repeating something long enough, maybe it will become true?
>>54625187
>>54625148
got any arguments?
>>54625057
Well if there's a demand
>>54624978
>>54624894
>>54624763
Isn't this the guy who thinks his brain doesn't follow the laws of nature
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9xXJKdo8M
>>54625150
>What if two men enter an "agreement" for one to kill the other?
See, I can appeal to extreme cases too!
>>54625224
don't act as if he's alone in a radical, crazy belief in human free will
>>54625217
What are enclosures and imperialism
>>54625150
Except that happens in capitalism, you retard!
Remember that thing called slavery that we had here?
Reminder that the STATE freed the slaves, not the market. Cry more, libertard.
>>54625239
>What if two men enter an "agreement" for one to kill the other?
can you explain to me what's wrong with that? if i want some guy to kill me... i'm not allowed to be killed? wut? that's some weird totalitarian stuff if you think the state has more of a right to decide whether i can leave this planet or not than i do
>>54625262
Literally every Christian out there will tell you that's wrong.
>>54623604
>Unless you are proposing we constantly be at war to create a competitive environment, instead of using capitalism.
America has literally been a military-industrial complex since the second world war broke out
>>54625260
slavery was a insult to autonomy. that doesn't justify another insult to autonomy. 2 wrongs don't make a right, despite it being all your non-argument based on emotion and irrationality depends on
>>54625277
and? christians should have more of a say over my own being than i do? because that's what you're arguing. at least it's an argument i guess
>>54625287
Calitalism is insult to autonomy because it places the majority of people in a subserviant position that are supposed to bend to the will of capitalists because if they don't, they will starve
No, I think /lit/ is the only marginally Marxist board, though I feel like they're not really Marxist but use it so they can be righteous against "SJW" or identity politics. /g/ is full consumer fetishism.
Though free and open software may or may not be antithetical to capitalism, and I'd be interested if there are any good writings on open source and the economics of it; is it a benevolent face to the self-exploitation of workers or is it a new way of progressing past moneyed labour?
>>54619575
There is literally nothing wrong with capitalism.The only problems arise when government gets merged with capitalism.
>>54619575
>he types from his device designed, created, and bought by capitalism
>>54625335
autonomy isn't social standing or how nice of a car you get to drive. autonomy is being able to make decisions for yourself as long as they don't infringe on the liberty of others. if you want to start a company, you can take a loan (assuming a loan company agrees to give you a loan; you aren't entitled to force them to give you a loan) and start one. if you want to shovel shit, you can make an agreement with a man who owns a shit shovelling company to do so. if you want to walk into a forest and pick berries, you can do so. you're not entitled to the fruits of other people's labors
>>54625361
>DAE corpratism isn't Capitalism
>>54625373
Capitalism did not make your iPhone, you retard
>>54619591
fpbp
>>54619575
Half /g/ are cucks, half are /g/entlemen. So is 50/50.
>>54625399
>You are not entitled to the fruits of others labor
Neither is the capitalist, you are completely forgetting wage labor you big ol baka
Richard- please just die already
if anyone is paying for a dinner with rms please serve him high-fat/high-cholesterol food so we can hasten his demise
>>54625410
>Capitalism did not make your iPhone
>>54619575
No, you fucking communist piece of shit. You bash capitalism as you sit and type on your keyboard and computer produced because of the efforts of free enterprise. Socialism and Communism are luxuries of the 1st world funded off the backs of the capitalists. Only fucking kids think this is a good economic system.
>>54619591
/thread
Reddit. Go back there, communist SJW scum.
>>54625449
What are workers?
rather dead than red
>>54625434
see >>54624933
two men are able to come to an agreement. they are both rational and autonomous individuals
>>54625260
>Reminder that the STATE freed the slaves, not the market. Cry more, libertard.
Actually the CSA was an authoritarian confederation ran by manor lords, the republicans who were economic liberals at the time wanted to free slaves so they could work in northern factories.
>>54625480
Participants in capitalism, who earn their wages by crafting product created with materials purchased by their employers, who bought them from other producers to create an end product that is in demand by consumerists.
>>54625500
>>54625451
>Only fucking kids think this is a good economic system.
And oddly celebrities who make money in a day than you or I will ever see just to sit around and look good.
>>54625504
Yeah, maybe when you abstract all of society and history out of your theory, but in the real world, the only reason people choose wage labor is because they have no choice (do it or starve is not a meaningdul choice).
Down with he bourgeoisie,dudes. Long live the party.
>>54625533
you look up to celebrities? i look up to great thinkers. for example, aristotle, or stefan molyneux (the aristostle of our age). i guess we're just a little different like that
>>54625552
CULT
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>>54625548
>communism
>job
you blew it, kikeboi
>>54625547
then they can band together with other workers, form a union, and bargain collectively. all without having the government point a gun at the man and demand he give them his money or else
>>54620242
Please let me be of assistance to you, anon <3 <3 <3
>>54625552
I don't. I think its fucking funny how they spout socialist bullshit at every opportunity when they the themselves are a great example of what they are speaking against.
>Being rich for bad acting and proclaiming climate change is real is okay.
>Being rich and putting food on the table for 100 employees is wrong and needs to stop.
>>54625604
>votes democrat to get free shit
>is still poor
>>54625507
(Unwilling) participants in capitalism, who earn their (fraction of the value of their labor) by crafting (commodities that are usually not useful) created with (the dead labor of other exploited proletatariat) who bought them from other (exploiters) to create an end product that (further enriches the capitalist via exploitation of labor)
>>54625637
it's not up to you to decide to be a "willing" participant in my freedom to choose not to give you my money
>>54625070
>muh roads
Golly gee I sure would like to transport my product from a to b, but I don't have a means of easily doing so. Oh well I guess there is nothing I can do, like having groups of people investing in something for their mutual interest
>>54625637
>REEEEE
>I DESERVE FREE SHIT
>HOW DARE I HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING
>>54625533
It's only odd if you don't realize that hollywood jews have elevated idiots into positions of high focus. Most celebs try to look as progressive and empathetic as possible because it's hip right now.
It's common with people who live in gated communities with tons of money away from any semblance of reality. Either that or they moronically believe they'll be "more equal" when the time comes.
>>54625637
>>54625579
Or, we can avoid all of these complications by abolishing wage labor.
>inb4 free agreement
This would be more about creating societal conditions that would depricate wage labor, not necissarily creating a state that says NO (although some people beleive some of this is necissary)
>>54623550
Why aren't you? You are enjoying all the fruits of capitalism while decrying it like a spoiled, petulant child who does not understand enough of the world.
>>54625676
>>inb4 liberty is a virtue
oh wow, i guess you stumped me
>>54624390
It cracks me up how people get so hung up on usury and cite how many moral codes (those same "moral codes" that allow things like harems) there are that decry the practice but then can't explain away that such transactions are a two way street.
The only thing worse than pure ignorance is acting upon partial knowledge.
>>54625667
>>54625660
Good red herring guys, my point was not FREE STUFF (although if society could provide that ( which it can't right now)I would be just fine wih that) Im saying work does not have to be orginized the way it is right with a capitalist on top who rakes in profit off the backs of workers, but instead ran by the workers themselves
>>54625667
To be fair, if you're working a full time minimum wage job and still have to live off the government as well, something is wrong.
>>54625637
>I did nothing but party in high school and couldn't be bothered to pursue further education
>I do a job meant for a teenager to make extra spending money and now I'm pissed that I can't sustain my parents' standard of living at age 20
What you get from society is equal to what you contribute. Yes there are some unfair cases. Yes there are big inheritances (that are taxed twice by the way). Life isn't fair. No one ever said it was. Get used to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHcaP1-4Wbk
It's only a matter of time.
Why fight it?
>>54625754
If you're working a job meant for a high schooler and you aren't in high school something is wrong.
>>54625741
then make a union and try to bargain with the owner. maybe you can even buy the company out from him, but don't have the government steal it from him
What's Stallman's view on Hillary vs Trump?
Who does he think is the lesser of two evils?
>>54625816
Who defines what job is and isn't for a high schooler?
>>54625741
No one forces you to work for an asshole the doesn't treat employees well.
>>54625818
I want the workers to take it, all of the profits come from the labor of the proletariat, they should be taking back what was stolen from them anyway
>>54625836
The fact that it doesn't pay more than minimum wage would be a good start.
>>54625818
the exploited labour power and property theft was never his to begin with.
>>54625741
The USSR was a failed communist state.
Cuba is a nation of poor people that is 60+ years behind the times.
China is becomes more and more capitalist with each passing year, The Party can't ignore the money, and it makes the people happy. Happy People means a long living Party.
And yet retards like you keep trying to repeat history and trying to do the same thing again and again.
>>54625818
>make a union
Yes! and stuff the pockets of a union leader instead!
Capitalism at its core is survival of the fittest, I can understand why the weak hate capitalism.
>>54625523
I'm memeing, fascism is just as bad
I am more so center-right politically, but I believe in more deregulation for industries
>>54625861
That doesn't mean it's only meant for a high schooler though. Jobs are meant for anyone who qualifies for the position applied for.
>>54625871
Cuba has a better life expectancy, healthcare and literacy rates than America. There's a big reason why Cuba is "poor" and it's not socialism.
>>54625873
so you choose to ask the government to steal his company and give it to you instead? if so, you're violating his autonomy. very greedy. sad!
>>54625886
So why continue to improve ourselves after high school graduation (assuming you put forth the effort to even do that)? Lets just get the most basic job we can and proceed to bitch about how we can't afford anything.
>>54625579
>then they can band together with other workers, form a union, and bargain collectively.
No they can't because muh right to work.
Capitalism is a system that takes away all your freedoms, all while claiming to give you all the freedom in the world.
>>54625797
I guess reading comprehension is something that is no longer taught in school
See >>54625741
What you get from society is what you put in it.
What are profits again.
>>54625901
No. I'd like to see the employer that treats their employees like shit lose a bunch of talent to a competitor that treat its employees well and get driven out of business.
>>54625871
>And yet retards like you keep trying to repeat history and trying to do the same thing again and again.
Yep, right down to the jews pushing for it and agitating the losers and dregs of society into "revolution". History really does repeat itself.
>>54625836
A job that requires zero training, is extremely repetitive, and can easily be automated with a machine but would be too expensive to do at this point in time. Almost every job in a fast food restaurant qualifies for this. Retail less so.
The minimum wage does need to go up, but keep in mind that increases the cost of labor for a business, and if that cost of labor is greater than the cost of automating the job....well then... you can guess what happens.
Moral of the story: Be careful what you wish for.
>>54625667
More like
>if corporations can bring in billions of pajeets to replace you for $1/hour thanks to the free market, why the hell should they be forced to pay you more?
>>54625912
the government making a law that violates peoples autonomy to bargain collectively doesn't negate property rights.. what world are you from? are you trolling? or are you actively shutting off your brain and typing without thinking?
>>54625898
Wow, it must be so fucking awesome to live there. All those Cubans that risk life and limb to escape the country to come the US must be a bunch of retards.
You must be trolling.
>>54619591
/g/ wont survive the Trump purge of closing down the internet.
>>54625953
>I don't know what right to work is, so it can't be true.
Inform yourself before you Shrek yourself.
>>54625838
Again, you seem to be abstracting the real world out of your theory again, I would love to work in some sort of co-op with my friends, and actually be apart of what I am doing, but I have to eat, and therefore agree to do what ever bidding some capitalist wants while he steals some of the value created by labor.
>not a single person ITT stopped to question the assumption that technological advancement is a good thing
You gonna get enslaved
>>54625905
For many people, it's just to expensive to go to college.
I get what you mean, but I still think you should at least be able to sustain yourself off of a minimum wage job. Not comfortably by any means, but just enough to make it sustainable.
>>54625942
Honestly I'm A-okay with automation with an increased wage. Companies are free to do as they wish.
>>54625974
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
Th-thanks, capitalism!
>>54625974
>>54625912
ITT: Conflating an economic system with a political system.
>>54625898
>Better life expectancy, healthcare, and literacy rates
Where did you get that information from? The Cuban state run ministry of propaganda?
Why don't you tell me what the average wage of a doctor is there?
After telling me that, consider how they could possibly have a good health care system with that level of pay
>>54625998
Isn't that what lolbertarians do all over their critic of socialism?
You can't do something and then complain other people do it too.
>>54625974
Well, whether or not it is, it's inevitable. It'd be pretty fucking tough to stop technological advancement at this point.
Unless you nuked all of Earth. That would probably do it.
>>54626008
>what is the human development index?
>>54625974
I hate these meme, it's a form of self-hate. Robots couldn't enslave the human race.
>>54625912
Right to work is not in all states or countries (US != World) and right to work laws were passed by elected representatives. That means people like you and I that failed to do our job and let them run amok and do whatever the fuck they want.
Do you really think this basic human nature is only endemic to nations with a capitalist economy?
>>54625871
>le cuba sucks because of socialism meme XDDDD
Nice meme, but it was because of the American sanctions, you uninformed useful idiot.
Most problems of Latin America are the USA's fault.
>>54626039
>right to work laws were passed by elected representatives
I thought you were against the state. So state decisions taking away other people's rights are alright when they favour your ideology, but not when they favour mine, is that right?
>>54626031
No, but the human race can enslave itself
Cool, huh?
>>54626012
That is what lolbertarians do and they are retarded for doing that. There are aspects of socialist nations that America would do well to adopt.
>>54626045
>it's not because we're lazy beaners
>it was big mean murica
lmao
>>54626058
I think you are confusing this anon for another anon.
>>54626045
>much perfect communism is infallible
>it's all THEIR FAULT not mine
Commies in a nutshell.
Minimum wage is a bandaid. The only solution to the job problem is either abandoning the Protestant work ethic and implementing minimum income, or leaving the vast majority of the human race to starve.
The class that must be abolished is not the Bourgeoisie but the proletariat.
Actually free software only helpz capitalisn
by minimizing costs
>>54626058
This thread is an ode to capitalist hypocrisy.
From childish trolls using fallacies and accusing you of not replying with an argument when you give them a fallacy back, to kiddies who don't see the cognitive dissonance in pointing out that countries victim of American imperialism suck and at the same time being staunch capitalists.
>>54626039
It doesn't have to be anything an elected official does that gives capitalists an unfair advantage when it comes to worker repression(although it's one of he many unfair advantages that they do have) they can use the competitve nature of capitalism to their advantage, if there is a society with an amount of desperate unemployed or a society with untapped labor markets in other places, they can use these as a "do what I say or starve" trump card, because if the workers band together and form a union, the boss can fire them and hire desperate scabs, or outsource
>>54626088
Free software isn't free as in free beer, it's free as in freedom.
>>54623902
A few hundred top kek
You know over 1 million Vietnamese soldiers died right
>>54626086
The solution is raising the value of the labor force. That is, enacting laws that don't let companies import 3rd world shitskins for peanuts in droves to take jobs from Americans. When companies have to compete for labor, everyone will come ahead.
Closed borders and protectionist policies are the answers, not commie pipe dreams.
>>54626086
uhm they both should go dummie
>>54626113
o or this....o o or that.... its so awful isn't it, life isn't all as pretty as you'd like.
You are arguing that everyone has the fundamental right to have food at the table and be happy. That only happens in children's cartoons. It would be nice if it was real but its a fantasy.
Take a look outside of the human species, there is not a single other species that isn't fighting everyday to come out on top. It is ingrained in our very psyche that we must be at the top at all costs.
Even if it means designing a social system that brings everyone else down to your level so that you can rise above them.
>>54626133
>Closed borders and protectionist policies.
Would completely destroy the economy. The only reason america ever had a rich middle class in the first place was because the rest of the world had no choice but to buy our products. You aren't going to magically get those conditions back by going isolationist. You'd just end up with everything being more expensive because the price of labor would increase.
>>54626133
If they can't import them, they'll use earnings held abroad to hire them in the countries where they live. You ain't competing just with Americans in the labor market anymore, you're competing with the world. Best get used to it, it's not going away, no matter what snake oil Bernie or Trump try to sell you.
>>54626133
Nope, corporations would pack up and leave the country. America is already having issues with companies leaving the country via inversions. Protectionist policies would cripple our economy.
Clamping down on work visas would be a good start, the shit Disney pulled with their IT workforce should not have happened.
>>54621316
underrated kek
>>54626206
you are just making the claim that you are a special snowflake thats why you get food when the reality is you benefit from society and society could easily feed more than just you.
how did you "fight" for anything?
>>54619575
Stallman is not anti capitalism, the GPL allows you to sell software ie: the grsec patches are not given away for free anymore except in certain cases.
It seems like most of 4chan is predominately conservative and that's kinda the exact opposite of what i expected
>>54626288
4chan is whatever is counter culture and edgy. Edgy in the actual sense of the word correctly used. Being a stuck up your ass progressive liberal is the new established norm politically. So no shit there's a push back. 4chan lets you speak your mind when you can't necessarily say it in real life.
4chan railed on conservative morons back in the day because they were the bigger morons, now it's the liberal's turn as they have gone full retard with more intensity than the right could ever hope to have.
>>54626262
that's a nice strawman you got there m8.
>society could easily feed more than just you.
society is not one person but many, expecting millions of random people to stop being self-centered and behave more like a hivemind is ludicrous.
A hive is the most apt example, because at the end of the day, someone has to man the controls, and they will be above everyone else, and back to square one we go.
>>54626284
Stallman is 200% anti-corporate in every measure.
His goal is to eradicate the software industry and somehow thrive through the magic of sharing and altruism. If he had it his way proprietary software would be eradicated, there would be no proprietary services, and everyone would be wizard class computer literate.
Its the greatest pipe dream ever, and people buy this bullshit by the pound.
Please post in this thread if you want God to kill Richard Stallman. Dick Stallman is a leach on society that needs to be purged. Post in this thread as a prayer to God that rms will die soon
>>54626288
It's a facade nigger
It's nothing but mental illness, children and degeneracy here. Very few boards posess any virtue or relish in individual thought. All you'll develop is a hivemind.
>>54626353
So are you saying people who post on 4chan change their political views to match the hivemind? Talk about following blindly...
>>54626579
Almost, what it really is, everyone on 4chan is contrarian as fuck so they all just end up the same but in the end will somehow still argue for hours about who sucks more cocks.
I'm glad there are more sensible non-extremist alternatives to the FSF and GPL, like the Open Source Initiative and the Apache and MIT licenses.
>>54626073
>>54626084
Feel free to refute my sourced infographic.
>>54626579
You act like this is any different from the way people in real life act. It's actually normal social behavior for a large amount of people. Most people do not go against the grain because it's hard.
People also come and move along communities that match their thought process or are convinced otherwise. What you're seeing is 4chan actually rejects extremist ideology on one end... with the other side of the scale. Though, rather than extremist ideology, they reject ideology when it becomes too fucking stupid, with the other side that becomes too fucking stupid. It's a cycle. I think the underlying nature of 4chan is they just want people to stop fucking with their hobbies and lives. Progressives are really fucking with our hobbies and even normalfag lives.
But yes, 4chan is inherently contrarian. In the grander scope of things, 4chan is the deviant to society though, anons rejecting a lot of the current status quo of progressive thought pushed hard as fuck by media and college establishment. 4chan is mostly college-aged I'd imagine so I think it makes sense.
>>54626967
>I think the underlying nature of 4chan is they just want people to stop fucking with their hobbies and lives.
if this was true /pol/ would be for Gary Johnson instead of Donald Trump
Please pray harder that rms will die soon
>>54619575
>capitalism literally creates the affordable home computer
hurr durr ebul money grabbers
>>54626284
>grsec
Who would PAY for that shit when you can download OpenBSD for free.
>>54627063
More like technological progress made computers affordable for home
>>54627063
>socialism literally invents the Internet
hurr durr ebul bureaucrats
>>54627003
Nope, because Trump actually has the shot to roll-back progressives culturally. I'm not talking POLICY, I'm talking culturally, as a leader emboldens their people. I'll speak as a Trump supporter who was on the Rand train first and is mostly Libertarian leaning. 2-party duopoly means there's no chance for the libertarian party. Trump is maximizing the chances to push back against the progressives. /pol/ loves Trump because he riles the libs up more than any Libertarian can and strikes fear into them, makes them realizes that the public at large actually fucking hates them but is afraid to speak out for loosing jobs and being estranged. Libertarian candidates cannot get rid of the authoritarian left with their current power. It's about practicality right now, not idealism because there's actually a practical choice who has a real shot at winning. Remember, /pol/ was behind Ron Paul once before, but no one else was actually practical to topple Obeezy in that race, nor had the progressive left gone full batshit crazy (yet, openly that is).
Don't put the cart before the horse so to say. Trump isn't authoritarian internally, nor is he a social conservative, so I think he's actually a stronger pick than a libertarian candidate at this point in time regardless of party power. It's not that I don't want a libertarian candidate the most, it's just the party is too weak right now. If the democrats reign and illegals go unchecked any longer, we'll become a one-party state as whites get out-bred by the immigrants who breed like fucking rabbits. The political balance will be upset irreparably if the SCOTUS appoints a super liberal. There's no room for right now.
Bernie isn't anti-capitalist.
Anarchist communist reporting in.
>>54627113
What do you think drives that technological progress? Free enterprise.
>>54627212
>it's all the fault of those brown people, I'll kick them out and that'll fix things!
you fell for Trump's bait, hook, line, and sinker.
>>54627300
>implying demographic change doesn't shift party lines
Also, I don't even understand why there's a debate on getting rid of ILLEGAL immigrants. Why people defend criminals is beyond me. But anyway, nice job disregarding every other point I made. You'll understand why the average person is sick of progressives really soon when the pendulum swings back.
>>54627215
>Anarchist communist reporting in.
How can you be both an anarchist and a communist?
If you're an anarchist that means you believe in no government, who will redistribute all the wealth? That sounds like a government to me.
>>54625260
>slavery
Oh no, the government forced me to get a job. Oh wait, it didn't and I can quit any time I want. On top of that, if I was homeless there would be people that would give me free shit so I could actually live without working. You know what happens when nogs in Africa don't "work?" They starve to death. By your dumb fuck logic, people who are literally forced to work for food aren't slaves, but people who choose to work aren't, all because muh feeling and feel le bern people werk too hard xd those big bad boogieman corporations who provide jobs so I don't need to run around in the fucking forest to survive off bugs.
>>54627334
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html
Do your own research.
Fuck you commie.
>>54620283
>anti-homophobic shirt
literally fuck off reddit.
>>54626131
and they still kicked are asses
>>54628914
no they actually didnt. public opinion forced he decision to just walk away from the war.
>>54628985
that is a victory by demoralization anon. It definitely counts.
>>54621202
why not both, a cooperative / competitive economy? is that a thing?
oh, and without government regulation everything is shit. see: cigarettes and lead.
>>54623464
>china
>communist
I always wonder how people can justify supporting a mentally unstable and violent pedophile just because they like free software.
>>54623550
>If you are a worker and a reactionary at the same time, you deserve all the bad things that happen to you. If you claim to be pro-software freedom but still defends capitalism, then you have cognitive dissonance problems.
/thread
>>54619575
fuck off gommie, OSS is libertarian LIBERTARIAN.
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Ask yourself these 3 basic questions before you come to ANY kind of conclusion.
>inb4 tldr
Just watch it faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xGyKuyGhaE
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>>54619591
Falling for this bait.
Richard Stallman has mentioned that he is pro capitalism and that CAPITALISM is important.
Fuck off with your bullshit communism. SJW think just because Stallman approves Bernie (due to software reasons) that he is a communist too.
>>54625680
What "fruits"? Capitalism was founded on feudalism, monarchy, and slavery. Do you support those too?
I don't understand people who think Capitalism is sustainable; the Earth has finite resources, and the whole idea of Capitalism is to keep economic growth going by consuming more resources. It's a literal dead end. Within our lifetimes we're going to be coming to the point where we start running out of important shit.
The biggest looming issue is water. Thanks to global warming, the glaciers that feed many of the rivers that people rely on for drinking water are disappearing. There are already regions that have been digging deeper and deeper for ground water, and that isn't going to last forever either. Lakes will dry up as people turn to them for fresh water. There should be massive infrastructure projects going on RIGHT NOW to build huge desalination plants to supply all the continents with fresh water. If we wait until there's a crisis, it'll be too late.
Speaking of which, those same rivers are also supplying electricity to many nations, so that'll be a double crisis. Pack your shit and move somewhere with a lot of rainfall; don't forget to check the the water level map and make sure you'll still be above sea level after 7 meters of rise.
>>54625797
If you think automation is happening because workers are demanding $15/hour then you are a mouth-breathing troglodyte.
