What is your stance toward the new hard disks with helium? Are there any failure rates known for these new drives yet? Or should you rather buy 2 conventional 4TB drives instead of a 8TB HE? I would also like to know what's THE to get drive right know? Still HGST and what model?
HGST have too much of a reputation to ruin.
I would generally feel quite safe buying new unknown technology from them.
>>54616159
Dunno, I'm not sure about them since WD took over.
Do you care about the data?
Yes - RAID5 with five 2TB disks
No - Go ahead and use that 8TB monster.
>>54616246
RAID IS NOT A BACKUP
>>54616275
if raid isn't a backup then what is?
>>54616135
Buy the cheapest shit and have backups.
>>54616299
>These other methods include offsite backups, and backups which don't occur in real time. RAID does not work as a backup of files since it only stores the most recent version of a file. It's just a duplicate file. RAID is simply redundant disks to help reduce the chance of service loss due to a disk failure.
>Explosive HDDs
>>54616299
Raid are for uptimes not data security.
Uptime like "if the server is down for a day the company loses $10000" kind of uptime, not mommy I can't access my porn today" kind of uptime.
>>54616135
>>54616331
Just don't use it with a 1080 and you're safe famalam
>>54616354
underrated post
>>54616275
>doesn't know what RAID1 and RAID5 are
>>54616299
Actually backing up a copy of a disk to another disk, not connected to the network. And re writing the backup over the old data every few years to maintain data integrity.
>>54616321
>>54616347
Well it most certainly is a backup if I don't want to use cloud based services. I have been capturing video for about 2 years now and have around 2tb of footage across 3 drives in a RAID setup, you expect me to pay 20 bucks a month for google cloud based storage to be able to back all of that up?
>>54616366
I know exactly what RAID1 and RAID5 are
>>54616354
The Hindenburg burned because of hydrogen. Helium isn't flammable.
>>54616384
No you back it up to a hard drive and move it offsite
fucking kids nowadays, I swear
>>54616389
>that's the joke
>>54616135
buying a hard drive that's bigger than 2TB is asking for trouble
>>54616366
I expect you to have another copy of the data that is disconnected most of the time so that it's not subjected to virus and human error (oops I accidentally deleted this directory of footage off my RAID5, now how do I get it back?), and only turn it on to back up to it periodically.
>>54616389
>Hindenburg made of hydrogen
Fucking idiot. Helium makes it float. Have you ever even heard of science?
>>54616439
Replying to >>54616384
>>54616275
RAID stands for a Redundant Array of Individual Drives, I.e. you don't need a backup cause you have guaranteed redundancy with your RAID.
>>54616411
>buying a hard drive that's bigger than 2TB is asking for trouble
[citation needed]
>>54616484
wew lad
>>54616497
more platters = higher failure rate
>>54616484
Can your RAID5 guard against CryptoLocker or accidental deletion?
A separate offline copy can.
>>54616135
Two hard drives filled with helium...
he he
:)
>>54616514
>more platters = higher failure rate
[citation needed]
In the meantime, consider this:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/
Anyway, your drive is covered by warranty. So even if it fails there is no problem.
>>54616497
it's easier to lose more data faster than with smaller HDDs or a RAID, where you can recreate the data.
with these 8tb-monsters? not so much.
>>54616558
If you don't have backups, your data is not valuable.
>>54616462
Obvious bait, but I'm gonna bite anyways.
Anything lighter than air will float. Both hydrogen and helium float up. The Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen, NOT helium. helium is a noble gas, so it does not bond with other elements. As such, ANY reaction (including a combustion reaction) is impossible to achieve in nature.
>>54616628
>mommy i got an A- in chem 101!
>>54616641
>mommy, i got suspended because i failed my history test and argued with my teacher for an hour about how all of history is wrong!
>>54616705
got me
gas chamber doors shouldn't open inwards
>>54616705
You're that special kind of autist aren't you?
Why do people in this thread say RAID redundancy does not equal backup?
>>54616833
RAID only protects from drive failure, not human failure.
>>54616755
>>54616781
fuck off samefag
>>54616886
whoops
>>54616867
Ah,thanks anon.
>>54616628
God you are retarded
>>54616540
You could just use ZFS and not be an idiot. Plus off site backups take significantly more time than a RAID takes to restore.
>>54616311
>SUSTAINED WRITE SPEED: 24 HOURS PER TERABYTE
>>54616135
Yes, helium easily leaks and you permanently lose all your data.
Avoid using it at all costs
>>54616705
false memories are in fact glimpses into parallel worlds with different timelines
>>54617482
Hate to be in the reality I saw when I woke up drenched in sweat because the post-apocalyptic nuclear spiders were coming to rip me limb from limb
>>54617227
What?
could I fill a balloon with oxygen and have it float and not fall or rise
>>54617829
Wouldnt this work only if the balloon was filled really close to 1 atmosphere?
>>54616331
>Helium is explosive
>american education in a nutshell
>>54616223
Yes, it's better to purchase Seagate HDD.
>>54616628
No shit.
>>54618002
I wasn't implying that Seagate is better than WD, but that WD will drag HGST intentionally down into the mud where Seagate and WD already are. Can't be that your daughter company produces better HDDs than the main corp.
>All those kids that don't know shit about backing up data, and just use the word RAID to sound cool
Is this the next generation ?
>there are people on /g/ right now that aren't backing up their PTHC and gnoo-lunix configs on tape drives daily on-site as well as overseas servers
>There are people on /g/ right now not running aes-serpent-twofish-blowfish encryption on their drives
>>54616407
>No you back it up to a hard drive and move it offsite
"Here mom, hold on to this encrypted external hard drive for me. Its just a backup, I swear."
>>54616462
Somebody missed the joke
>>54617934
Obviously that depends on where you are. It needs to be less dense than the surrounding air in order to accomodate the weight of the balloon, so oxygen isn't viable unless you want a tiny balloon
>>54618406
Not true. Beretta owns Sako but everything Sako touches turns to gold while Beretta is shit.
>>54616135
I'd wait awhile. Seagate is supposed to release the first HAMR drives next year.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/12/how_will_hamr_technology_affect_seagate_in_derry/
HAMR is the only way HDDs will stay competitive against SSDs in capacity.
>>54616544
and you even got a dub.
>>54616223
Wd just owns them, they didn't buy hgst just to sell shitty wd drives with a Hitachi sticker on them
>>54616549
Fuck your backblaze bullshit, you stupid mong.
MTBF of a 8tb hgst is what, again?
TWO MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND HOURS
so a 8tb hgst is the longest lasting HDD on the market
Fuck all you stupid plebs you deserve your shit Seagate drives
>>54616299
Data resilience
>>54616135
Thanks for not asking whether they are a meme or not.
>>54620003
>MTBF of a 8tb hgst is what, again?
>TWO MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND HOURS
You realize MBTF is not considered a valid measure of drive longevity, right?
If you really want to know how durable a drive is, look at it's URE rate.
>>54616246
>RAID5
Any reason not to go with RAID6 over 5 besides the extra disk?
>>54620385
Speed. RAID6 takes a larger write performance hit to where unless you have software raid and can tune it or you have a lot of disks, you'll only get the write speed of a single disk.
>>54620353
Bit rot and raid arrays are ure domain, not failure
>>54620743
URE is a hardware failure. Yes proprietary RAID configurations and btfrs/zfs get around it but the disk has started failing when it gets its first URE.
>>54620798
>but the disk has started failing when it gets its first URE.
technically everything has a limited lifespan and is always slowly marching towards failure whenever it's being used. This is like saying that your RAM has started failing when ECC corrects its first flipped bit. You're looking for a pattern of errors indicating deterioration, not one transient event.
>>54620859
>This is like saying that your RAM has started failing when ECC corrects its first flipped bit.
Not even close. URE means that ECC will do no good, the data cannot be recovered. UREs and flipped bits are completely different things.
>>54616299
Keep shit going when a drive fails. RAID is NOT a backup.
>>54616366
>even mentioning raid5 while talking backups
Holy shit get out
![snapshot_01.51_[2015.12.23_01.05.20].png](https://i.imgur.com/7zwclDY.jpg "snapshot_01.51_[2015.12.23_01.05.20].png")
>>54616331
>>54616354
lyl
bump.
How good are toshiba drives? Thinking about using 6TB in a NAS.
>>54621824
They're bretty gud.
>>54621824
I've got 6 3tb Toshibas in my server. They've been great so far.
>>54621970
Which model number? I came across some DT01ACA300 for £68 each. 3tb and fast as fuck too.
>>54621486
>not backing up your drives to a RAID 5 NAS.
>>54622054
DT01ACA300
Had to run hdparm since I threw out the boxes, lol.
>>54622078
That's different from having all your shit on one raid5 array and calling it a backup.
>>54622204
What did you pay for them? I was dubious because of the low price. 4tb we reds are £120 and not even 7200rpm for comparison.
>>54622259
>What did you pay for them?
Mine are a few years old, I got them at the time for ~$110
>4tb we reds are £120 and not even 7200rpm for comparison.
I quit trusting WD years ago, I've had several of their drives fail early on me.
>>54622400
I admit I feel like a pleb for falling for the Red meme. They're overpriced compared to their performance and I would have been off better getting HGST 7200rpm drives for the same money.
So far all 4 are fine. Two have 16000 hours and the other two have 6000 hours power on time.
HGST or more Toshibas next time, fuck WD.
>>54622468
As far as speed is concerned I don't know about individual drive performance but I can tell you that I've got mine in a tuned mdadm RAID6 running at 600mb/s read and 300mb/s write (until the cache runs out which is almost never because I have an assload of RAM).
>>54616354
>>54616331
Helium is neither flammable or explosive
![2012-12-12_23-41-41_thumb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/oVUpRJ6.png "2012-12-12_23-41-41_thumb[1].png")
>>54622508
Pic related. They're pretty fast, especially for the price. Faster than a WD black.
>>54622643
>The Hindendrive
>>54622654
Good to know.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/one-billion-hours-on-and-hgst-still-rules-the-roost-for-hard-disk-reliability/
So how long will the helium actually stay in the drive before escaping?
>>54622643
The Sun is full of helium
>>54616299
god you're an idiot aren't you
>>54622913
WHERE'S YOUR SCIENCE NOW /G/!
>>54622913
Hydrogen anon. It's filled with hydrogen
>>54622864
The Toshibas always have shit sample size.
>>54623132
Yes. It's frustrating.
i bought one of these but when i left the store my toe stubbed on the concrete, i stumbled, let go of the hard drive and it fucking floated away into outer space
fuck it i'm getting lead drives from now on
Why shouldn’t I use a larger drive when its cheaper per tb, uses less juice and produces less heat than several smaller drives crammed into a box? Am I getting memed on!
>>54617944
I swear, even us Burgers are taught this.
I think that guy hasnt been to school at all
>>54623241
Dude... weed man, lmao.
t. Carl "Spaxeweedman" Sagan
>>54623241
This is only a problem with new drives, once you get home and fill it with stuff it wont float
>>54616135
wait 2 years for affordable consumer 16TB SSDs
>>54623369
the tech guy said he preloaded some bloatware to tie it down but i never saw it again
can only access it with internet now, at least i have some storage available in the cloud
>>54623681
Floatware
>>54623375
>2 years
>>54616299
RAID isn't a backup because it doesn't protect your data from corruption. For example, if you accidentally install a crypto malware program:
>Your RAID gets encrypted - you are still fucked
>Your backup is fine, you are not fucked at all.
If you accidentally delete System32:
>Your RAID deletes System32 - you are still fucked
>Your backup is fine, you are not fucked at all.
And so on.
>>54623745
oh fug
>>54623297
More platters means higher chance of failure
>>54623297
Depending on configuration it's cheaper to buy more smaller drives than few large ones. Also more platters = higher failure rate like the other anon said.
>>54623681
>at least i have some storage available in the cloud
10/10 I can't top that
>>54623068
Well, and some helium too, for a really short time.
>>54616439
Hi rossman!
