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Why doesmakeflac () {
if [ -f $1 ] ; then
ffmpeg -i $1 -sn -vn $1.flac
fi
}
not work?
It returnsbash: [: too many arguments
2nd for post here or in the other thread BUT SHUT UP ABOUT IT
maybe someone will find this useful
>>54581934
it's missing some flags
>>54581898
Try "$1" or it'll choke on filenames with spaces.
>>54581968
Doesnt work
same error
>>54581996
Nigger what the fuck
>>54581996
see:
>>54581907
nobody gives a damn about your gnu-free /flt/ thread
>>54581898
if [ -f "$1" ]; then
github alternatives?
>>54582070
This works
Guys I think I set the wrong compositor setting in KDE 5 and now I can't use it any more.
I decided to try Open Suse. Clicked OpenGL 3.1 in the compositor settings.
It froze, and I can now only log in with an IceWM session. KDE is stuck on the fancy loading screen.
>>54582109
I don't have a clue about these things, but this was in the headlines recently, the fsf tested 4 code repos: github, gitlab, sourceforge and gnu savannah:
https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html
so that's 4 to chose from at least
Does fedora run well on an old core two duo or if not what distro would, I'm going to try running it on a live usb
>>54582152
nvm fixed it
>>54582289
like a charm
>>54582411
Thanks senpai I've got an old toshiba Im going to try linux on
>>54582289
All of the distributions will run the same on your hardware. The only thing which can make a difference is the desktop environment, but even that has become irrelevant recently.
Linux is only free if you don't value your time.
I had some issues where mpdas wouldn't start after logging in, with Openbox. Now I tweaked my autostart file to start mpdas after a successful mpd start. My question is: will this still start them both "in the background" as it did before with the & after each command?
Old autostart file:mpd ~/.config/mpd.conf &
mpdas &
New autostart file:(mpd ~/.config/mpd.conf && mpdas) &
The lack of a "&" after each and instead replacing it with just one after both commands is worrying me. I mean, I tested it and it works, but I'm wondering whether or not this has changed something I should be aware of.
>>54582559
Your life must be free since you bothered posting that.
I am pretty new to bash and I don't get why & is needed at the end of this fork bomb
:() { : | :&}; :
Why does :() { : | :}; : not do the same? According to man bash the pipeline already executes both commands in a subshell, so what does creating a new subhsell for the pipleine change?
Is there a way to change the file manager firefox uses?
What's a good base distro if I want to try i3?
>>54583247
Any distro, debian is nice but it really doesn't matter.
>>54583180
On old versions you can patch the gtk filepicker, so yes. Buf why would you use that when you can use a fully featured file manager and just drag and drop?
>>54583585
Convenience I guess? But it'd be even more inconvenient to downgrade and miss out on some Firefox functionalities, so I guess I'll have to settle with drag and dropping.
>>54582587
Why not just put a sleep between starting mpd and launching mpdas?
I'm currently using a Mint 17.3 install on an external HDD.
What's the most painless way to copy it over to a partition on the internal drive?
Can I just copy over / and then fix GRUB after that?
>>54583659
If you assign opening your file manager at certain folders to different key combinations and tile it to the left side of the screen this is actually way more convenient than a filepicker.
>>54583892
Just cp it there and fix grub, yes.
>>54582587
Nah this is fine, but keep in mind that if either MPD or MPDAS doesn't launch properly neither will.
>>54583908
Doesn't sound half bad, I will have to look into it.
>>54583999
According to that diagram :(){ :|:}; : should still create new processes, just ones that can die, right? It doesn't do that if I test it out thought, which is confusing me.
>>54583999
I can't unsee the smiley faces
I'm trying to make a dual boot.
Windows is fine, so I made an extended partitions with linux partitions as logical.
fdisk -l list them fine but I can't toogle the boot flag, it gives me this error
>Command(m for help): a
>No partition is defined yet!
What I'm doing wrong?
>>54584186
Why are you trying to partition from windows? You just need empty space for pretty much any installer to pick up on it
>>54584352
I did all partitions from gparted.
>>54584381
Why not just use your installer?
>>54583923
I hope this is not critical
>>54584566
Recompile the kernel
>>54584566
Context?
I have a i7 920 and I believe it supports VT-x, an ATI 6870, and intending to run a triple monitor set up consisting of 2 1200*1600 wings with a 2560*1600 main. I would also like to run a Windows 7 VM on the main screen for muh vidya while I surf 4chin on my left and have porn playing on my right.
How do I set this up?
This probably belongs more in sqt but is the broken vertical line the same a s a solid vertical line |? Want to know because using old laptop with only the broken LINE
is it possible to install windows on a external hd and use it to play videogames?
Friendly reminderFor necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).
Source:
https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html
>>54584632
cp -Ri / to where I want to clone my existing install to
>>54583795
I used a 10 second sleep after mpd, but that's when it started failing.
favorite gui file manager?
>>54584857
Holy shit
https://stallman.org/articles/texas.html
>"No, your lectures were good. It was the people who had dinner with you. Both evenings they were very uncomfortable with you. They said they didn't want to have you around any more."
>"Uncomfortable? But they didn't say so. Did they say why?"
>"One of them said he was upset when you talked about nasal sex with plants." I had actually demonstrated this perverse act with the bouquet on the table, at dinner the night before I was sent home. The plants were dead, although well preserved, so I was performing rhinophytonecrophilia on them.
>That was the end of the conversation, but I never forgot that the worst bunch of cowards I ever met were Texans.
>>54584886
Don't do that, you'll end up copying /mnt, /dev, /sys, /proc and /tmp which you don't want.
>>54584918
Friendly reminder“
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.
Source:
https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29
How long does powershell take to verify the checksum for my fedora iso?
How do i start with bluetooth off in xubuntu?
>>54584945
What should I do?
>>54584989
sudo echo "alias net-pf-31 off">/etc/modprobe.d/bluetoothblacklist.conf
So, how to configure h264 hardware decoding on Firefox?
>>54584992rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} / /path/to/backup/folder
>>54582411
:^)
also how do I make GNOME less shit?
>>54585482
Thanks, I booted off of a live USB just in case.
So it's someting like
rsync blah blah /media/lubuntu/uuid-of-os-partition-i-want-to-copy/. /media/lubuntu/destination-uuid
Can some kind anon educate me on the difference between MPV, MPC, and MPD?
Is there any relation between them? mpc and mpv are daemons, so I'm guessing they use more resources, is that right? Is it a significant amount?
Why do I need a daemon to play music anyway?
>>54586017
mpv is a media player,mpc is shit version of mpv,mpd is a music daemon
>>54586017
>Why do I need a daemon to play music anyway?
You don't. Using it to play things on a single local computer is silly. I however use it on my desktop connected to speakers and I control the playback from my laptop.
>mpc and mpv are daemons
No, they're not.
MPV has nothing to do with MPD. MPV is a video player. They just share a similar name.
MPD is the daemon (service running in the background) which plays the music and manges the library, playlists etc. You use a client to control it. MPC is a such a client and a really simple one.
>>54586054
He probably meant mpc as in the mpd client. Not mpc-hc, as in the video player for Windows.
>>54586136
>mpv is a video player.
False.It plays more then just vidieo
>>54585482
>>54585873
Yep, it worked just fine. Can't believe how smooth it went.
Thanks a bunch, Anon!
>>54586054
>>54586136
>>54586189
Is there any way to get music visualization in mpv?
I just installed Wine-Multimedia from this github.
https://github.com/DusteDdk/wine-multimedia
How do i make this a program like the ones i install through regular sudo apt-get install programs? Because now i need to use the wine from the folder with ./wine instead of just right clicking .exe files and 'open with wine'
>>54586537
You use it as you normally do with stock wine.
It uses wine,if you try to use execute wine-multimedia,it just isnt there.
>./wine
This is the stock location for wine et all
>>54586641
just using the "wine" command in terminal gets me pic related.
However i am able to call wine from the folder i installed it in.
>>54586704
Then you dont have any wine installed
do this and post resultsls /usr/bin/ | grep wine
does wine work with programs installed on Windows partition?
For example, to run program I already have installed (many GB), instead of making two copies for each OS.
sorry for 2nd engllish
>>54586772
No,You cant share the registry across platforms
You can share data though
>>54586750
But how come i can still use it then?
./wine winecfg gets me the wine config window for example.
>>54586792
You're not,you only have winetricks,which is not wine at all,its just a wrapper to install stuff in to your wine prefix.
Then i guess your distro dosent follow standard naming schemes then.
Is there a difference between forwarding x11 in your local network vs outside of local network?
SSH is working but when I want to see a window all I get is
>Qt WARNING: VirtualBox: cannot connect to X server
I'm using the same laptop to SSH as I do at home and it works on local network. Ports are properly forwarded, I just get the X error for some reason.
>>54586838
i am able to run it though.
If i try to run Winetricks it complains that it needs wine to run.
Wine is recognize as being installed, but i am able to run it from the folder i compiled it from .
I am looking for a linux alternative to IDM (Internet Download Manager). Specifically it has to schedule downloads to happen at a certain time and stop at a certain time.
Also, wanted (but not needed), the ability to place specific downloaded files (video files) on a separate drive after finished downloading while keeping everything else on the main drive.
>>54587051
So you did a self compile and didnt package it?
Thats your problem.Find a rpm/deb/we you need for your distro,or compile it within your distros pakage manager
>>54587055
jdownloader
What's wrong? I'm trying to install packages from AUR and it's returning this error. Never occured to me before.
If I'm running fedora on a live USB can click install to hard drive and still keep my windows?
>>54586783
>No,You cant share the registry across platforms
not asking about the windows registry
asking
can WINE run a program, that is installed on my windows partition, without having to copy it to my linux partition first, because it will take up double the HDD space that way
i do not need data to go back and forth.
just the program.
>>54587681
That url does not exists
>>54587772
And what exactly do you think wine does when you install shit?
It creates its own registry so windows can function.
If they program uses no external libs and is a standalone program,that does not do anything but run when you call it, sure.
But programs you install, nope
>>54581834
GNU's Not Usable
I was trying to make a persistent linux usb and ended up adding grub too my windows machine.
How do I delete grub and revert back to the windows bootloader?
>>54588036
Nope.Reinstall time
If I use diskpart, I can delete the partitioning on the USB, burn a windows 10 bootable iso on it, and use the repair feature, right?
I'm thinking about coding my own Linux panel (or taskbar)
and I'd like to take a look at the code of some existing panels for help. Can anyone tell me what's a really simple panel that has menus on it?
There's plenty of simple panels without menus or icons, but it seems like the ones with them will have a lot of dependencies like gnome and crap.
Is there not any really light weight simple panels with menu buttons?
>>54588217
tiny2
plank
docker
>>54587812
>If they program uses no external libs and is a standalone program,that does not do anything but run when you call it, sure.
yes this is what I'm looking for
it has windows lib files with .dll extension, but they are all stored in subdirectory of the program, on the windows partition
it does not write data to the disk or read data from the disk, while running
actually it does, but I do not need that functionality
>>54588230
Did you meant "tint2"? I didn't know that had menus
Is it worth using schedtool,if so what would be some applications that would be benifical to run with it
I'm getting this error while trying to install packages using makepkg -sri:
>curl: (77) error setting certificate verify locations:
>CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
>CApath: none
I tried:
>export CURL_CA_BUNDLE=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt on my .bashrc
>cacert=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt on my .curlrc
Nothing works. I'm not well versed with Linux but after a quick search and collecting information, I noticed that:
I don't have a ca-certificates.conf file on /etc/
sudo cp /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt gives an error telling me that ca-certificates.crt is not a directory.
When I click on ca-certificates.crt it says "broken link".
How do I install Krita without the whole fucking KDE bloatware that comes with it?
>>54588036
repair using a windows disk probably?
>>54588036
ms-sys
>>54588849
sudo pacman -Syu ca-certificates
>>54588926
You dont
>>54583892
You will need to change fstab too
>>54589011
Already did that.
>>54587772
Sometimes it works, just give it a go
>>54581834
What distro would you suggest for something lightweight but still has security support? Something akin to the responsiveness of Windows XP on a Pentium 4? I find Lubuntu not be fast enough for my grandma.
>>54590558
even lubuntu isn't fast enough? Eeek, you can try doing some tweaks to make it feel better, such as using linux-ck (which is pretty good on old processors) but otherwise I dunno.
>>54590558
Not fast enough? Maybe spend $50 and buy her a used PC that was actually manufactured in the last 20 years.
>>54589011
>-Syu package
...
>>54581834
I am a macfag and I wanted to try your oppressive Non-Liberal computer
>>54584647
Help please.
>>54590558
Damn small linux
>>54581834
recommendations on a good archive manager?
>>54591499
peazip
any recommended bloat to purge off a default debian installation? only a uni laptop looking for max battery saving
>>54591657
If you did a net install, don't obsess over bloat so much, you're fine.
>working on last minute essay
>fucking tired of this shit I want to graduate and leave this University
>in process of finally finishing it
>PC just freezes
>motherboards fucks over, RAM issue
>no problem, Libre Office saves that shit
>after loading it up, would you like to recover?
>of course, stop with this shit
>no permission, some other bullshit
>it still says it recovered
>mfw it barely has one page in
I'm fucked beyond all reason, might as well kill myself right now.
Every time when I install Manjaro xfce after a few hours my ui is getting like pic rel. Other gui elements are also corrupted. How can I repair it?
Any here have experience running squid to cache the data off a wlan on a ubuntu server?
Squid installed and managed via webmin
it's ok if i remove this?
>>54592176
if you want to
>>54592190
it will damage the "core"?
>>54591657
You're not going to get anything from cutting down on software bloat once you get past really cycle heavy shit like chrome and compositors/WMs with compositing. Using disk space/RAM != using extra power
Worry about configuring linux itself for better power management. Also, get an SSD.
>>54592030
>not saving it to an offsite server
kek, enjoy more school kiddo.
>>54592245
Fuck that, I was in the zone. I was too late for that.
>enjoy more school kiddo.
I won't, grandpa.
>>54581875
I'ma inverse the colors and print that out. Thanks, anon
>>54587051
you need to install wine to /usr (i.e. /usr/bin/wine) or put whatever folder you are doing ./wine from in your PATH variable, i.e.export PATH="$PATH:/home/me/src/wine" >> ~/.bashrc
then just typing wine oughta work.
>>54584780
Yes
Can I install a 64bit version of gentoo if my computer was using a 32bit operating system previously?
The processor has a 64bit instruction set.
>>54592518
no, running a 32bit os on a 64bit-capable cpu alters the physical layout of the chip, this can only be done once
Is there a way to automatically set the CPU governor to a certain value when a certain program is running?
>>54592561
use schedtoold
>>54592223
that's a meta package for the whole MATE core, so yes, that will break stuff
>>54592518
Yes you can (I mean if you can install gentoo at all).
How do I hack someone?
>>54592586
schedtoold is what prompted me to ask about something similar for CPU governors.
afaik schedtoold only does nice levels and scheduling, I'm asking about something similar for power schemes.
>>54592649
https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
Be creative.
>>54590760
Are you okay?
>>54592592
thanks
can install ubuntu software center on puppy or debian ?
>>54592811
Why would you?
Synaptic us a gui frontend for apt. But why not use cli/tui for package management with aptitude?
>>54581934
777 and +x is all I ever remember or use
So I'm a 23yo avg guy, I know how to use computers and I'm not a total idiot. But the world is moving forward and tech is the way to go. Theres no courses (that aren't "Introduction to Computing for people over 40"). Anyway, I've used windows all my life and I want to learn to build my own computer and probably linux as well, so programming is also something I want to learn. Where do I start? And why should I use Linux or another OS?
help
I modified my fonts (Kubuntu 16.04) and now certain programs (Chromium, GIMP) have giganto fucking UI elements. Other programs and the OS itself look fine
>>54593557
Gnu/linux has lots of manuals, wikis and documentation. This will benefit you.
There is a really nice thread about this on /t/ right now.
See >>54583019
Good luck at learning.
I want to reinstall arch on my laptop as I suffer from a problem I am unable to troubleshoot
I want to save my config files I modified through time (track point speed, ibus japanese keyboard and so on) so I don't waste all the time I spent setting these up the first time.
Should I just copy my /etc/ in a remote location or is there a clever way to do it?
>>54593644
ok fixed with forced dpi scaling from system settings
>>54593981
Your config files are in ~/.config/
>>54593981
I don't know. If there is not though for next time you might want to look at etckeeper which keeps /etc in a git repo.
>>54594000
You mean I have no interest in backing up my /etc?
can you install wine on puppy linux?
>>54594020
Only if you didn't put anything in there personally.
Also, just save your entire home directory.cp -a ~/ /some/where/safe
Working on some beginner Linux HW and wondering if you guys could help me out. I need to set rules for a mock FTP server by writing lines to accomplish the following:
1. User should be allowed to download more than 10 during one logon session, or a maximum of 10 MB of data.
2. Anonymous FTP access should be restricted to 30 minutes per session.
3. Block all access to no-laws.org
Im looking at the man page for ftp for formatting but am not sure how to start -- anyone have any good references? I don't want/need you to do my homework for me but a good reference site would be great.
>>54581834
Why is the IRC channel down?
>>54594190
Do these look like appropriate ftpaccess lines to accomplish this?
data-limit in 1048576
limit-time anonymous 30
deny now-laws.org
>>54594380
it's just empty
>>54594190
there are a few very good books about this, if you don't want to download the whole gentoomen library tell me what you want.
>>54594627
Thanks for the response -- I just have to figure out how to set these three rules for a discussion post and my professor seems to think that everything I need to do so is simply contained in the ftpaccess man page? Just from reading through that I wrote out
>>54594589
But I'm not quite sure if the syntax is correct as there are not many examples. Any books that might contain some examples to look at?
I read a lot of people saying that vulkan and wayland will change the gaming state on linux.
I understand perfectly why vulkan can make the linux gaming bigger, but what about wayland ?
What a gamer will gain from wayland ?
Can someone explain why Ubuntu runs hot on laptop, meanwhile OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian and Arch runs fine doesn't burn my laptop?
It has to be other than the kernel in Ubuntu, since OpenSUSE and Debian uses older version of kernels.
>>54594728
>Can someone explain why Ubuntu runs hot on laptop
Ubuntu is bloated
>>54594719
wayland has less problems with screen tearing and afaik allows for more application specific features. and it's easier to port to. that's what the dude at the steam dev days said at least.
>>54594745
So is OpenSUSE, it is arguably more bloated than Ubuntu.
>>54585711
You don't, GNOME is shit.
>>54585711
install a decent theme, configure stuff in gnome-tweak tool, get dropdown-terminal, set a few keybinds.
>>54594847
Maybe unity is shinier? Or have you got a red theme? Those are hotter.
I asked in the sqt, but I'll repost here too
Pulseaudio suspends the SPDIF output almost immediately and takes a good .5 second to start when it's needed.
Disabling the idling in /etc/pulse/default.pa makes pulseaudio crash after a while, so that's even worse.
What now? Can I change the time a sink is idle before it suspends it?
Do I need to make some sort of script to keep the audio output busy?
>>54595343
have you tried it with ALSA yet? sometimes purging pilseaudio does wonders.
guise, i must convert an old (10y+) Fedora Core 2 machine to a vm. the filesystems live on an scsi-drive with a controller for which I have not drivers, and I seem unable to boot from usb anyway. so it appears my only option is to image from within the system (the live fs). I've dd'd to a file on an external drive, convert to vdmk, and managed to boot, but grub cant boot find the home partition.
note that sda2 is in fact a lvm partition, vg, and the only lvm partion in it, the lv, is in there.
what do gee?
>>54595357
I'm not sure it will play nice with Cinnamon, I don't want to break the volume control widgets and such.
>>54595383
reminds me of one time i found a friends' old 4G hdd in 2012, which hadn't been touched since 2004, which had redhat linux and a diablo server on it
i also dumped it and ran it as a VM
this was a plain IDE drive, though
in your case you might just need to change the grub config, i'd boot up a livecd (newer distros should work for this, else grab a core 2 iso), mount and chroot into the system, and re-generate the grub config and reinstall the grub bootsector
make a backup of the image you made if you haven't already, so you don't need to dump the original disk again if you mess something up
maybe there is someting interesing for one or another (PDF's about CS i discovered)
https://github.com/tpn/pdfs
What's an easy to use audio tagger that can scan audio files and find tags for it from some database? similar to that built in feature in musicbee or itunes. musicbrainz picard is buggy for me but maybe i just don't know how to use it properly.
>>54595567
Maybe you want to have a look into this
https://github.com/GNOME/easytag
>>54595383
Why does grub need the home partition?
>>54595534
if I start the vm with live ubuntu, I can see the lvm partition but not mount it. appears to have some problems, pvdisplay reports read failed errors all over.
redump? did you dd the entire drive or partition by partition?
>>54595727
i already have a look at it but i have issues with finding any relevant tags for my stuff with it. even for the more popular stuff i have.
Help, how do I install Android studio on arch, the android sdk from AUR is broken or something, dependencies themselves fail to build.
Can the SDK be installed from the android studio itself like on Windows or does it need to preinstalled for it to work?
>>54595778
needs to boot something...
how can i check whether or not a wireless network needs a password?
>>54595796
not him, but I use puddletag
>literally needs a support forum to operate an operating system
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>54595904
(you)
>>54595904
http://www.tenforums.com/
>>54595958
>69 ips itt
welp
>>54582109
neetco.de or bitbucket if you're normal.
>>54592239
>compositors/WMs with compositing
Compositing doesn't affect power consumption; stop spreading myths.
https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/10/power-saving-and-desktop-effects/
>>54595567
Puddletag.
Friendly reminder
>>54595894
how do i make puddletag find results for my whole library? it doesn't matter if it needs some time.
>>54596100
lmao
>>54596217
Load your whole library in to puddletag.
>>54596296
i got this far already, but how do i proceed? do i need to set some sources or something?
>>54595813
grub doesn't mount home anon, your init system does. if it can't find root you need to mount the image in your host, chroot in and update-grub
>>54581834
Why does Stallman actually look like Jesus?
>>54596369
he's the second coming that everyone has missed
>>54596375
If only he'd invented linux instead...
>>54596645
>invent
>a monolithic kernel
>in 1991
no
Apt user here. Is there a convenient way to search installed programs for keywords in yum? I want to remove all the Dell programs because I dun goofed.
>>54596693
>yum
>apt
what
>>54596726
Being an apt pleb, I don't know how to do the neat tricks in yum.
>>54596693
yum list installed
>>54596788
ohhhh okay
I recently saw somebody who had actually installed yum on their mint install and was requesting help on using it so I was scared you may have done similar
sorry I'm no help, gentoo user
>>54596806
Any way to search that list besides grepping?
>>54596854
well obviously you first add "*dell* to the commandyum list installed *dell*
what more do you need?
>>54595782
i did the entire drive (it was only 4G)
could your LV be comprised of more than one disk?
I'm planning on setting a server up in my home using Debian. (Haven't done this before.) I think I want to use i3wm or something else really lightweight. Should I just use i3, or is there something better for this kind of thing?
>>54597569
a server doesn't need X at all, unless it's also a media center or similar
>>54597569
for what you need x on your server?
>>54596970
Is there a way to check for keywords in the description? Some of the stuff doesn't have Dell in the title.
>>54597613
>>54597615
Yes, I'm setting it up in the living room so I can imagine wanting to sometimes use it for other simple things. I understand its the norm to not use a WM/DE, but if i wanted to do something like browse the web on it, I imagine I'd want a WM for that. Is there something more 'light' than i3 for this?
I'll also admit I don't have a lot of experience with the terminal.
>>54597740
when you dont have much experience with terminals i would say you need a complete desktop enviroment.
take a look at lxde, its light and comes with some small programms which allow you to change some settings.
>>54597740
that's fine, install what you want
as a beginner you should start with a DE, lxde or xfce is a good place to start that aren't very big
keep in mind they don't need to be running all the time, most services are run outside of your own user session(s), so even if you leave yourself "logged off", it can still function as a server
>>54597833
>>54597882
Ok, I'm used to XFCE so I assume that would be fine.
>keep in mind they don't need to be running all the time, most services are run outside of your own user session(s), so even if you leave yourself "logged off", it can still function as a server
I didn't know this, that's useful. Thank you.
>>54597633dnf search *dell*
finds all packages with dell in their name or description, but also from the repositories. I don't know if there is another way
>>54598022
np, the reason X isn't recommended on server isn't so much that it stops you from doing something, just that in most cases it's useless
most servers are headless (not permanently attached to a display), and can be managed entirely via a text console (such as from a shell over ssh)
>>54598072
sorry, dnf and yum are of course mostly interchangeable so replace dnf with yum
>>54598022
>>54598098
infact, if you wanted a "graphical" means of managing common services, i'd say try webmin, which is browser-based (also doesn't require X or a local display)
>>54581834
hi anons. i have arch323 w/ vm running but now trying to clear up space on my wimpows. question is what are all these webm and can i delete them?
>>54581834
So why are the AMD gpu drivers fucking shit on Buntu 16.04? Had I known at the time it was going to be a pain in the ass I would have bought a nivida. I have a MSI R7 390. Is there a district that better supports the drivers? I thought about mint possibly because since it's a roll release that it may have better driver support? Or should I just get a different fucking GPU?
>>54598227
Anything that isn't Tonga is shit with AMDGPU. Check phoronix, some merges have been fantastic to the Fiji line and GCN in general. Good thing I have a 970, the proprietary drivers aren't shit, but I'd like to move to an open source alternative in Vega or Polaris.
>>54598195
also when i open one it looks like a vid of my my arch loading up
>>54598227
the open drivers work fine for me on the same card, what are you on about?
>>54598195
>>54598259
seems you have some kind of recorder set to run with the VM
yes, you can delete them
>>54598227
>>54598276
oh wait, i got an r9 390, misread that.
>>54598294
yeah i was thinking that too but not sure. thanks anon
>>54598098
>>54598156
I mostly wanted to go without a DE or use lightweight software because the PC is kind of shitty.
It's this thing:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883114107
I got it as a gift so I'm not complaining, but I assumed it would be better to just install Debian without any DE and then install i3wm if I needed something like that. I think I'll just get Xfce and then maybe consider installing something else, since I know Debian will let me start a session with it anyway.
Also, I'll check out webmin.
>>54584857
>>54584918
>the joke
>your head
Flowers release pollen to reproduce. When you pick a flower, it dies. When you smell that flower, you're inhaling pollen from it, hence, nasal sex with dead plants.
>>54598363
>nasal sex with dead plants
kek
>>54598297
I got Buntu Mate 16.04 but there's no Radeon driver for it. My card and CPU run hot as fuck on the default one. So I'm currently using botnet 10 my entire system is staying cool for having an all AMD setup. With the default drivers, shits hot as fuck on Buntu, and I had X.org go out on me once already, and it probably has something to do with that issue...
>>54598473
maybe amd-firmware-nonfree is not installed by default?
reminder for gnome users to have a look at gnome help
>>54598498
That an apt-get install fix?
>>54598585
maybe, i don't know how buntu handles microcode and what you selected during install. i just know that you probably need this in debian.
i just found something interesting, if you use gnome in a wayland session and connect your monitor with both dvi and hdmi, it will assume you have a multi monitor setup and have applications on one of the connections and your overview on the other.
/end blogpost
>>54598363
>tfw Richard Stallman is a better and more intelligent person than you will ever be
>>54598565
>Super + Tilde for switching between windows of same application
Holy shit this changes everything. Thanks anon
GNOME is actually pretty based, you guys. Moving from Windows I've loved it
Why do so many people hate it?
>>54599676
Cause it's shit. I use Mate and have used Lubuntu, both were cool. Gnome just pisses me off really
>>54599770
"it's shit"
but that's just like, your opinion, man
gnome shell extensions are goat
>>54599676
Because the only 100% working implementations exists on Fedora, CentOS and openSUSE, meaning many faggots get a crippled glitchy as fuck experience.
>>54599812
Debian's isnt 100%?
I'm on Sid and I've had 0 issues with it
>>54599676
boils down to the developers, their attitude towards developing it and shitty decisions their make.
They're notorious for making shit don't work on an update.
Since like 3.6 every single update broke 3rd party theming (they supposedly want to settle on one method in 3.20)
It's immensely heavy on the resources and almost caught up with the KDE while offering none of the customizability of KDE.
They waste money given to them in donations (their shitty "outreach program for wymyn" was a complete disaster"
Waste of screen space.
Seriously the size of some objects is so large you'd say "that's a touchscreen feature" but gnome is absolutely useless when using a tablet. Using gnome on a sub-QHD resolution is a nightmare.
But they've done few things good:
>mouse+keyboard workflow in gnome with unlimited workspaces is absolutely godly if you got a screen with decent ppi, I've yet to see a better desktop paradigm than this
>they've actually put a lot of work in designing their HIG and supposedly developed with human ergonomics and cognitive functions in mind
But I'll stay on gnome2 thank you very much.
Thank God for MATE.
>>54599835
Dunno. All I know is Ubuntu GNOME is seriously fucked because of Canonical "patches" to underlying GTK libs to make them work with Unity. It's glitchy as fuck, beyond repair. And archfags/gentoomen refusing to install systemd which takes chunk of functionality away.
>>54599892
>>54599918
I guess that's on Canonical then. Debian's GNOME is crystal clear. It's even the default DM for Jessie.
>>54599872
Hm. I see
I've had the customization I want with shell extensions though, to be honest - along with gnome tweak. I tried KDE and it just wasn't my cup of tea at all.
Best/easiest way to stream video files from my Linux desktop to my wireless Android devices?
>>54599918
debian a better tho
How can I add a welcome message to my terminal?
Maybe something similar to screenfetch, with the distro logo
>>54599960
no not really
>>54599956
install windoo
>>54600010
add it to .bashrc
Bear in mind you will throw it out of the window immediately once you will have to actually do some work in the terminal and not post garbage in desktop theads
>>54600046
I'm not actually going to do it, I was just curious
>>54599872
>They're notorious for making shit don't work on an update.
Not really. You've only mentioned themes which WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE STABLE, they were never guaranteed to be stable during GNOME 2.x either.
>It's immensely heavy on the resources
Do you have any numbers here? gnome-shell hovers around 200MiB on my laptop with day(s) of uptime.
>They waste money given to them in donations (their shitty "outreach program for wymyn" was a complete disaster"
FUD The programme was very successful under GNOME, which is why there's was such bad cashflow problems (GNOME Foundation failed to collect money from participating organisations and had to use its own money to cover the expense). It's now spun off and still going strong. Outreachy interns were one of the top contributors to the 4.6 kernel[1] and it's not the first cycle that's shown that. It's grown from a GNOME thing to include the likes of HP, Intel, IBM, Debian, Linux Foundation Bloomberg, Red Hat etc, etc.
>Using gnome on a sub-QHD resolution is a nightmare.
Again, just false. I use it on my 1600x900 laptop and 1080p desktop just fine. GNOME is the only desktop I've found that uses screen space in a sane way, with a balance of ergonomics (Fitts' Law likes larger click targets) and aesthetics.
1. https://lwn.net/Articles/686697/
>>54600116
hello gnome dev
WINE MS Office 2007 on linux mint, any1?
>>54600174
Sorry for interjecting with facts and rationality.
>>54600116
Themes aren't unstable, anon. Theme APIs are unstable. Gnome breaks the themes, the themes don't break themselves.
>Sane way
2000000000000000000px padding because fitts law, guys. I have the motor skills of a monkey.
>>54600184
ye install libreoffice
>>54600212
That's what I meant, I thought it was clear.
>2000000000000000000px
hurr exaggeration because 1px hit targets make me feel like a hacker.
If you argue like that no one can take you seriously.
>>54600217
Need ms 4 mum... Yy, ik, fucked up.
>>54600299
Compare a gnome titlebar to an OS X titlebar. Compare gnome to OS X anything. The "worlds nicest UI" is comparatively compact. Shit's roughly 1/3 smaller. Gnome is closer to windows metro.
Fitts law is missing the part about diminishing returns for non-monkey users
>>54598252
>>54598276
>>54598297
>>54598609
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux%20x86_64
>>54600364
>Compare a gnome titlebar to an OS X titlebar.
How many pixels are we talking exactly? GNOME HIG doesn't recommend using titlebars anyway[1]. This is just a single element, I was referencing app design itself.
>Fitts law is missing the part about diminishing returns for non-monkey users
Do you have any links to studies suggesting this?
1. https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/header-bars.html.en
>>54600408
>proprietary driver
not needed on my r9 390, maybe the other anon can use it.
>>54600307
LibreOffice is compatible with MS Office anon. You can read and save documents in the .doc and .docx formats
>>54600422
I do, in fact, have the actual law of fitts, which is logarithmic and suggests diminishing returns, although I like a modified form specifically for monkeys such as yourself.
> GNOME HIG doesn't recommend using titlebars anyway[1].
And gnome's header bars are still massive compared to OS X's (and often pointless for users with an IQ high enough to allow them to become more efficient with keys than with onscreen buttons, much like, uh, the rest of gnome)
>>54600364
>>54600422
Also; comparing OS X to GNOME is a bit of red herring. Apple controls exactly which hardware OS X can (legally) run on, which doesn't include touchscreen laptops. GNOME *must* be usable on touchscreen laptops or you fuck many existing and future users.
>>54600116
>Not really. You've only mentioned themes which WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE STABLE, they were never guaranteed to be stable during GNOME 2.x either.
Ah yes the famous self-destructing themes.
It's not like gnome is constantly changing shit that literally doesn't affect the functionality i swear
>Do you have any numbers here?
I have my own experience. Gnome taxed my CPU, my harddrive and the temperatures in my laptop wer considerably higher, i could actually hear the fans.
>gnome-shell hovers around 200MiB
Let's conveniently omit the other garbage that gets loaded alongside gnome-shell at startup shall we?
caja sits at 27.1MB
>GNOME Foundation failed to collect money from participating organisations and had to use its own money to cover the expense
Therefore a waste.
They were paid 5000 USD to learn how to use git.
WOOOHOO money well spent faggots.
>Again, just false. I use it on my 1600x900 laptop and 1080p desktop just fine. GNOME is the only desktop I've found that uses screen space in a sane way, with a balance of ergonomics (Fitts' Law likes larger click targets) and aesthetics.
'no'
How many Workspaces / Virtual Desktops do you guys usually use at a time?
I'm trying to get myself into the habit of using them because of their utility, but I'm wondering what the average poewr user uses them for
>>54600469
>It's not like gnome is constantly changing shit that literally doesn't affect the functionality i swear
Can you point to any of these changes that were done for no gain or reason?
>I have my own experience.
Could be as hardware dependent as my own. We can't draw any conclusions here.
>Let's conveniently omit the other garbage
Such as? I picked gnome-shell because it's the largest single memory consumer at start up and the core of GNOME.
>They were paid 5000 USD to learn how to use git.
This is not even worth a response. Even your own cherry-picked example refutes this.
>>54600493
i got an average of 4 i think, one for music, one for telegram and an irc client, one for rss feeds, one for a web browser and a file manager.
i didn't use them until switching to gnome. no DE/WM makes them more convenient.
>>54599872
>Since like 3.6 every single update broke 3rd party theming (they supposedly want to settle on one method in 3.20)
That's not their fault. As a theme maker you're supposed to follow GTK development and implement the new additions.
The default theme always works, so you will never be left with a non-working environment.
>>54600174
>proves someone wrong
>lol gnome dev! that will show him
>>54600584
Yeah I'm on GNOME as well, it seems really good at managing Workspaces. Right now I usually have 1 for project related things, 2 for study materials, and 3 for entertainment / casual web browsing
I'll try to diversify a bit more
What are some advantages that you see in workspaces as opposed to just piling everything into a single desktop and using alt tab to get around?
For anyone using Xfce:
does your menu (application menu, not that fancy one) get localized according to your LANG and LANGUAGE variables? I installed xfce4-panel, but it refuses to display the category and program names in the set language.
>>54600461
No, I want some evidence that "non-monkey" or "high IQ" users benefit less from Fitts' Law than regular users.
>still massive
Again, please quantify.
Hi
I need a simle linux, just to fool around the terminal, so no GUI needed, I'd prefer a premade Virtualbox image. Can anyone recommend a distro?
Can someone using Arch and an Intel GPU install lxpanel and see if they get an annoying bug where the last opened window would remain "burned" into the taskbar?
I already tested it on another computer with Nvidia and nouveau and it's working fine there. I want to confirm that it's not my laptop that's fucked before I report this.
>>54600676
ubanto server
>>54600642
it feels more sorted and switching between stuff makes more sense this way. with super+pageup/down is switch between them and there is an extension that opens specified applications on specified workspaces. i also use pic related so that makes it more ordered too.
>>54600676
Debian is good
I want to rotate videos using ffmpeg
I know that I do:
ffmpeg -i filename -vf transpose=1 filename
The thing is, I have a folder of .mp4 files all named MOV* as they've been imported from a phone- how can I get ffmpeg to rotate every file, keeping the same name without having to manually input the file name each time?
how the shit do I rename KDE desktop icons? This shouldn't be this fucking difficult
>>54600659
It's a little too common sense to demand evidence. By that, I mean it's so fucking obvious that nobody in the half baked science of UX has bothered to test and model it. Better motor skills = faster, more precise movements = reduced movement time and fewer attempts = smaller index of difficulty according to fitts. If you have better motor skills, you can click on a smaller target as easily as an inferior user can click on a much larger target, so you can trade clicking ease for screen space.
Doubting synthesized but untested knowledge like that is kind of like doubting that a bowling ball will fall faster than a feather in earth's atmosphere because the one equation for gravity you know only accounts for weight.
Are WMs really worth to use? I mean what are the benefits?
>>54600856
https://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-60210.html
read the answer by james147
Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu or MATE?
I want it to look slick and be customizable
The rest I can figure out myself(though bonus points if it "just werks")
>>54601165
Kubuntu is customizable to a fault, I keep finding settings all over the fucking place. It does jest werk though. But that goes for all *buntus
>>54601152
Cheers, pretty new to linux so have no idea how scripting works or how to implement it- It'll have to be something I'll look up and read up on, it seems to crop up a lot though so would definitely be something useful to know about- I've got exams atm so will save the page and read up about it at some point
>>54601079
i really like mutter. using no WM is not recommended on a desktop computer.
>>54601165
all of those just work and are customizable.
Kubuntu and mate look pretty good ootb Xubuntu needs a bit of work.
I really hate Unity so i am not going to comment on ubuntu
Why does this say Gallium --- instead of my graphics card, 750 Ti?
Do I not have my settings right? I'm trying to run nouveau. This is a problem because my steam games and etc aren't starting...
Quick question, anyone have tips for getting i3-Wm to function on a fresh arch install? I can get xorg to run but not i3, it doesn't give any specifics either, just states that it could not run the program. Can't find anything in the i3-logs either
>>54601447
Or is there a more recommended WM than i3 that allows for moderate aesthetics modification but primarily benefits for functionality
>>54601447
did you addexec i3
to your .bashrc?
>>54601079
imagine a DE like Gnome. Now uninstall every application that you have installed. Now remove the builtin functions like battery management, screen brightness controls, volume control, network management.
Then only install a terminal emulator and a browser. That's what using a window manager is all about.
(of course you can install more, but the general idea is minimalism)
>>54601447
>>54601631
god why do I make stupid typos, to your .xinitrc of course
>>54601631
+1 to this, fuck the gigs upon gigs of bullshit that things like gnome and kde install that 95% of which will never be used. Heavily goes against unix philosophy imo
>>54601631
No WM comes with a browser
Is angrysearch just a disguised botnet?
>>54601631
So basically they are more faster right? I wanted to make sure before trying a WM but the thing is I find them difficult to use, I kinda wanted to try awesome or i3 but they seem complicated to use. Is there any good guides or tutorials on how to use them?
>>54601735
WM is barebones and you ad on to it.Not coming with 50gb of programs you will never use
Also use fluxbox
>>54601752
tried flux, didn't like it, went back to openbox. Why do you like flux?
>>54601813
Because i dont see the need to be retarded and have to adhea tor xml config files,instead of just plain text,like a sane person.
>>54601866
xml's not hard at all lol?
>>54601889
Plain text is just that. no need to bother with any coding, just type your shit and be done,not worrying if you missed a < or > or /
just fucking type and gg.
>>54582411
>>54585711
git 24 so we can keep it one-hunnid
>>54584965
what part of that statement is wrong or misguided? or does it just not politically correct enough for you.
>>54583892
dd if= and of= into the device of choice (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb for most), then edit the fstab file. Wouldn't call it painless compared to doing it on say, OS X.
>>54601357
>>54601447
>>54601688
>>54601705
>>54601752
>>54601813
>>54601825
>>54601866
>>54601889
new thread for your consideration:
>>54601906
>>54601631
Yes I added the exec i3 to my .xinitrc
I added the log-dumping one that outputs to a log-file. When I get home tonight (around 115am EST) I'll make a thread about WM issues.
I'm considering the idea of using spectrwm
I like it's clean concise minimalism
>>54602079
>115am EST
Use UTC moron.
