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Isolation ≠ Noise cancellation
If you dislike a headphone suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, brand x sucks"
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Previous thread: >>54451754
>>54495528
HD600 or HE400s?
>>54495528
My xonar essence stx should be good enough for a pair of hd600s or 650s, right? Or is there an external amp (and dac?) that would be significantly better for under $300
>>54495641
It's more than good enough.
Any opinions on the Plantronics BackBeat Pro wireless headphones?
Reposting from the last thread.
I have the opportunity to get some mth m50-xs for 90 bucks brand new, should I go for it? It'll be my first "real" headphones, not planning on getting an amp or a DAC or anything, unless you guys think I'd need one. Thanks.
>>54495641
I have one for my q701 and asked about it on /hpg/. As I recalled the replies were
>lel soundcards
>sell it
>enjoy your graphic card static
I decided to try audition my headphones on a schiit stack and they sound exactly the same, and the stx had more features.
maybe I have shitty hearing after flying a turboprop for 6 plus years. who knows.
>>54495695
If you like a bassy sound, sure, the price is ok for what it delivers.
>>54495710
>>54495641
It's good enough but an external amp like the fiio e10k offers potentially louder volume and more importantly an analog volume knob. Having a dedicated knob for the headphones is pretty sweet at least for me.
>>54495732
Yeah I'd say I like bass but not if it's muddy, are these nasty bassy or more clear.
>>54495710
good to know. from what i can gather most people think the schiit stack, o2/odac and xonar sound very similar. haven't been able to hear any static under normal conditions
>>54495844
would be nice but not worth the cost, i can just set the amp to 300-600ohms when i get the new headphones
Does /g/ approve?
>>54496596
>gaymen headset.
Get a decent pair of headphones and a ModMic.
>>54495528
If anyone remembers i'm the guy who decided on keeping his 702's as an end game headphone and they broke 20 minutes after deciding that. One of you suggested opening them up and looking at the cables, well it turns out one of the two cables (red one) has completely come away, almost as if the solder has snapped. I'd imagine soldering that will instantly fix them.
Just a head's up in case one side of your akg's stops working for no reason. I say no reason but I do lay them down on my desk when I take them off because my headphone stand is on a different cupboard in my room. i'm very careful when placing them down...but still, fucking hell.
>>54496611
They look extremely comfy though, how do you top that comfy level?
>>54496656
By hd800
>>54496688
I live in a 3rd world country.
>>54496596
Bait.
See >>54495528
>Headset requests are frowned upon.
>>54496729
What country? What's your budget?
Try filling the purchase advice form, maybe there's a better option.
>>54496817
I thought it would acceptable to ask about it since it's a top seller headset and probably has an established opinion base here.
>>54495695
Get 7506s. Audio Technica cans are all way too muddy.
>>54496844
>Budget
50$
>Location
Israel
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size headset (has to be a headset)
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
very high
>Preferred tonal balance
Base
>Preferred music
chillstep
>Past headphones
Chinese garbage
Is there a Spectrum Analyser for DSD files out there like Spek? .dsf files won't work with Spek for some reason. Like how can I tell if someone encoded a mp3 file to DSD.
>>54496987
Oh yeah inb4 DSD is meme and PCM>DSD. Is there a Spek tool to check it?
>>54495844
an e10k isn't louder than a xonar essence stx. e10k is 2.6 volts max and xonar is 7 volts max.
and the xonar is pretty good for noise performance too. I think mostly because it has no potentiometer. The magni 2 uber is -104 db/v, the o2 is -112db/v, and the stx is -110db/v.
It's actually a pretty good dac and amp for high impedance headphones.
>>54496971
>50$
>has to be a headset
guess youre staying with just newer chinese garbage for a while
>>54497234
You're spending too much time on these threads.
Thinking of getting the dt880 with the fiio e10k. Recommendations?
>Budget
10$
>Location
Syria
>Source
Nokia
>Preferred type of headphone
any
>Open or closed
closed very good isolation (bombs are loud)
>Comfort level
doesn't matter
>Preferred tonal balance
sound
>Preferred music
nasheed
>Past headphones
Russian garbage
>>54497311
I'd recommend the HD600s over those simply because it's more comfy and very neutral
>>54497079
>xonar is 7 volts max.
Do you have a source for that number?
I don't really know where to post this, I tried on /sqt/, but with no results. If anyone, I think you guys might be able to help me. It's a little off topic, so feel free to ignore it:
>I have a very unusual microphone problem. I don't have a slightest idea what might be causing it.
>
>I have an Asus 1015pn, and my internal and external microphone doesn't seem to work. I tested the external microphone on my brothers laptop and it works fine. When I try to record something on my laptop there is only static (both on internal and external).
>The really confusing part is the fact, that the same thing happens under Win7, Ubuntu 14.04 and whichever OS I boot from a flash drive. I also have two different external USB sound cards (they have the same chip though), which work on my brothers laptop, but if I try to record something through them on my netbook (tried on Ubuntu and Win7), the same thing happens as with my original sound card.
>To add salt to the injury, very rarely and totally at random (at least I can't determine what it's related to) when I boot up my Ubuntu and plug in the microphone, it somehow works. Usually there is noise in the background.
>The problem started about 2 years ago.
>
>Any ideas?
>>54497357
I agree about HD600 being closer to neutral, but imo DT880 is comfier.
>>54495553
HE400S has slightly slightly better impact, bass, mids and detail but it has a strange treble that's worse than the HD600's. HD600 also has a bigger soundstage and it's more relaxing if you want that kind of laid back signature
>>54497661
I've had the DT990, which seems to be identical in size and everything, and the cups are too small in diameter for my ears. I had constant pain in the top of my ears with that after one hour of use.
I'm thinking about buying a pair of DT 770 with amp. Woul'd you guys recommend them?
>>54497738
They're pretty great V shaped closed headphones. Very easy to drive, any amp will do as far as I know
>>54497684
>seems to be identical in size
It is, i've compared a friends DT990 to my DT880,in a blind test it would be rather hard to tell them apart just from the comfort, still, i felt that the circular shape of the Beyer was more comfortable on my jaw than the oval on the HD600, maybe it's a head size vs. ear size difference that give us different opinions on it.
>>54497738
Yeah, great closed-back option, as long as you are ok with v-shape FR.
I just bought the V-sonic GR02 Bass Edition, are they any good or should I stick with my Sony-MDREXLP15?
>>54497368
stereophile and personalaudio.ru measured it and got 7 volts.
I messed up the math on the noise. It's going to be -107db/v if asus says -124db at full voltage (7 volts).
>>54496987
>>54497017
nvm. I just read through this and I'm convinced that PCM>DSD.
http://www.ayre.com/insights_dsdvspcm.htm
>Any time that the signal is manipulated, more and more noise is added to the signal. These high-frequency noises can lead to damage of downstream equipment including amplifiers and loudspeakers. Therefore the official Sony specification (the “Scarlet Book”) specifies a third-order low-pass filter starting at 50 kHz
>Since DSD is a one-bit format it is literally impossible to perform any signal manipulation at all — even a fade-out. So to perform recording in the modern methods where signals are mixed, EQ’d faded, reverb added, et cetera, all of the DSD signals must first be transcoded into PCM (or analog) signals, then the signal processing applied, and finally re-modulating the signal back into DSD, adding another layer of high-frequency noise.
I think I'll just stick with using PCM and .flac files. Is DSD a placebo meme?
So my fischer audio FA-011 just broke today (ripped the cable), and well, I wanted an upgrade anyways.
Can someone give me some recommendations? I want
>Open headphones
>Planar
><300 eur if possible
Hifiman he400i is a bit too expansive, I've heard that he he400s has very crappy bass, so that's a no go.
>>54498296
>I've heard that he he400s has very crappy bass
It has crappy bass for planars. It's not any worse than the bass of other $300 cans. And it can be improved by switching pads.
And they're also very sensitive, meaning you can ditch your shitty tube amp.
Are there any dacs, or headphone amps that work with phones? FiiO dacs seem to never work.
>>54498296
looks like the back of my hair dryer I just got
>>54497348
Panasonic ErgoFit In-Ear Earbud Headphones RP-HJE120-K
Salam
>>54498480
The fuck?
>>54498480
Uh, that was unexpected... An explanation would be nice, Anon.
>>54498296
The 400i sells for $300 occasionally. I'd sell my mint one to you for $300 but yeah no I'm not doing that on 4chan.
>>54498846
Are you in europe by chance?
>>54499004
Nope, sorry.
>>54498051
They became obsolete when RHA released the MA750. Better bass and cheaper.
>Budget
100€, hard limit
>Location
Germany
>Source
Desktop computer, Android smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized, over-ear
>Open or closed
Both are acceptable. Closed preferred.
>Comfort level
Comfy, plan on wearing them a lot and for a long time period.
>Preferred tonal balance
Bassy or V-shaped
>Preferred music
Anything electro with a lot of bass and treble: Breakcore, hardcore, speedcore, EDM. Things like deadmau5, LAPFOX TRAX, goreshit, t+pazolite. Also trap and cloud rap.
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-XB500 (favourite)
Sennheiser HD 439 (loved them)
I need a long wear set to use for work. I would like to have an integrated headset, but I just learned about modmic and I am willing to do that instead
>Budget
Around $300, flexible.
>Location
United States
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort above all else.
>Preferred tonal balance
none
>Preferred music
none
>Past headphones
Logitech gaming headset, bullshit off brand headset.
Are there any good (as in lasting), portable headphones that aren't IEMs? I'll fill out the template if so, but if not, I'll probably just stick to $2 shit that lasts me a few months.
>>54500139
Sony MDR-7506?
>>54499831
dt770 80 ohm
extremely comfy for long-term listening, not horribly hard to power well, under your budget even with a modmic and will be much, much more comfortable and better sounding than your logitech headset
fostex t50 rp mk3 is also a good and better sounding contestant if you don't like an extremely v-shaped sound signature but is nowhere close to as comfy and different pads that fix the issue seem to really ruin and mess with the sound from my experience with zmf pads on them
Should I get an amp for my MDR-V6s? Would it really make a difference in sound?
>>54500583
Not really. If you get static/hissing/pops you'd be better off going for a DAC instead. amps will not magically turn your V-6's into anything amazing, the only reason to get one instead of using your onboard audio is if it can't power them to high enough volume. It does affect sound but to such diminishing returns that you're better off just buying different headphones than spending 80 bucks on a mediocre amp for a ~70 dollar headphone
>>54499480
takstar hi-2050
>>54500649
>5-11-16
>>54500649
>trust my opinion guys, look at all my other crappy gaming peripherals
How do you guys clean non replaceable foam earpads?
I just used some damped cloth, it worked. Looks clean but still smells pretty bad.
>>54502442
Soak in hydrogen peroxide. Squeeze with towel a few times. Let dry. Repeat if needed.
Just got HD650s in the post. Despite being pretty darn similar to the 600s I owned before, I like these a LOT more.
I see what people are talking about when they say veiled but I think that's really an exaggeration and they are not as soft on the ears as the 600s. I can see why these would be end-game for plenty of people.
Just my 2 cents.
>>54503277
What are you driving them with?
>>54503295
Only an Objective2; it did a very admirable job with the 600s and it sounds great with the 650s as well.
Main differences I can detect between the two is some lower mid frequency body is slightly shifted back towards the mid-bass which puts a bit more weight behind the sound. Treble extension is also improved, but I would have to A/B them to confirm that.
>>54496971
Join the IDF. Free headset, comes with helmet and even a Mitznefet if you're lucky
>>54503277
Post timestamp Sennshill.
I sent my asgard 2 in for repairs. I miss it.
>>54503424
heh.. nothin' personnel, kid
>>54503277
Same. I auditioned both at audio concepts, and walked out with the hd650. I preferred it even to the hd800. I have yet to hear the hd800S though.
>>54503503
what keyboard
>>54503277
>veiled
>not as soft on the ears as the 600s
How can it be both? Anyway I was going to get hd600s, now you are making me second guess myself. Would you say the difference in sound is more due to technical improvements or just a different sound signature
>>54503530
Not the same anon, but i share his opinion. Because the 600 doesn't extend as low (or high) and doesn't have as much umph in the mid bass. Neither are harsh or sibilant at all which is why some gradofags would call them veiled.
>>54503527
Filco Majestouch 2 TKL Ninja w/ Brown switches
>>54503530
The veil is mostly noticeable when listening to aggressive rock; but I feel like I really have to listen for it whereas my temptation is to just enjoy the music. Some people say it's like a curtain is in front of the performance, I don't think that's true at all. This characteristic also lends itself extremely well to classical and vocal jazz, but so far they sound great with everything I have thrown at them.
The 600s I found soft because of their treble tuning, not due to any overall veil. Like I said, treble including microdetails seem more present on the 650s but not at all analytical.
I don't know about technical improvements, they are still similar phones but I do now see why the 650 has historically cost a bit more.
>>54503530
Oh, and you can get them for 233 GBP shipped from Amazon UK as of right this moment, I don't know if that beats US pricing but it blows Canadian pricing out of the water.
>>54503588
why would you buy a severely overpriced cherry switch keyboard?
>>54503644
I wanted a no-frills TKL keyboard, and the lettering being printed on the side of the keycaps was also very appealing as I find the keycap lettering is usually the first thing to go with normal wear and tear.
I didn't find it overpriced relative to alternatives, but I live in Canada. Those in the US have access to a lot of great mech. keyboard sites without needing to pay 13% import duties and crazy shipping costs. Keyboards are heavy stuff man.
>>54503694
filco shit nears topre level pricing without the benefit of good switches like topres. you can get kbs with cherry switches (and replace the keycaps later) for like $60usd
>>54503619
Yep, when I checked it was $303 shipped where I am. Trying to hurry and make a decision since I don't want to deal with international returns if I don't like them
>>54503570
If you don't think they would sound veiled coming from hd595s I would probably jump on the deal
>>54503588
Now I think I should go for the 600s again, if you think they're more "neutral"
>>54503710
Again, I'm sure that's true and I'm not doubting you, but that $60USD can easily become over $100USD when importing to Canada.
>>54503732
I never said they were more neutral, and my opinion on that matter is irrelevant as everyone perceives neutrality differently. 650 mainly just has slightly better extension on both ends and a more weighty midbass section if I had to sum it up.
>>54503732
http://www.head-fi.org/t/740942/comparison-review-part-deux-a-tale-of-two-sennheisers-hd600-vs-hd650
Also a great read, he basically concludes that they are extremely similar and the 650s are just slightly darker. I can't A/B anymore to confirm that but I do prefer brighter phones usually and I prefer the 650s now.
I am also extremely sensitive to phones with recessed upper mids since the majority of my library is female vocals, and like him I'm pretty taken aback by how well the upper registers are still presented on this headphone.
At this point I don't think you can go wrong with either. There's no way to know for sure without trying both.
>>54503902
Thanks for the link. I would have just bought both and returned one pair but they will probably never be on sale at the same time. Next best thing would be to compare them to my 595s- I think the 600s might be more similar to my 595s based on what you said about the mids, since those are also supposed to be higher on the 595s
>>54503902
>head-fi review
into the trash it goes
>>54504100
Pretty ignorant comment, I've spoken to the author of that review and he is a really nice guy with a lot of experience reviewing. He puts work into his reviews and I generally agree with his findings.
>>54504113
nobody cares about your shitty opinions or the shitty opinions of a head-fi mod.
where the fuck do you think you are?
>>54504135
u ok??
>>54504156
go back to head-fi
>>54504166
I don't think I have ever seen someone so worked up over nothing.
It'll be okay when you realize there is more to life than what websites you frequent. ;^)
>>54504179
>crossposting cancer
>meme face with carat nose
fuck off already.
>>54504191
LMAO'ing @ ur life
>>54504220
>literal /b/ tier shitposting
(You)
>>54504229
Yeah, you're a great contribution to this thread, but I'm the shitposter.
Keep it up big guy!
>>54504237
>zeos fan
oh it just gets better.
you have literally contributed nothing of value to this thread, don't kid yourself
>Budget
$100-150, flexible
>Location
US
>Source
desktop, laptop and smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized, over-ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfortable and preferably not too bulky, I'd like to walk around with them.
>Preferred tonal balance
Bassy or V-shaped
>Preferred music
trap, dubstep, metal, electronic, I like things with a lot of bass
>Past headphones
a series of 20 dollar earbuds
I really enjoy the dark and bassy music and would like to find something that can handle it and I could wear around everywhere without them falling apart. Looking cool is a bonus but not necessary.
>>54504237
There's this one idiot who lurks /hpg/ who will argue about anything and everything to have the last word. You are doing the wise thing in letting him feel like he's won something by not responding any further.
>>54504636
>samefagging this late
literal autism.
>Budget
80-90$
>Location
South America
>Source
smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
---
>Comfort level
as long as it doesnt hurt a lot its fine; i will only use them when im on the street and at work
>Preferred tonal balance
probably not too bassy
>Preferred music
hip-hop, anime music, some vaporwave, trance
>Past headphones
takstar pro-80 in my house and panasonic Rp-hjx5e on the street
>>54504683
No one is talking to you.
>>54504237
See what I mean? Argue anything and everything.
I have a pair of Sennheiser Urbanite XL.
I want to get a music player now because Im currently using an ipod. Which shoud I get? a FiiO M3 for $100 or a FiiO X1 for $140?
>>54504714
stop posting already.
>>54500649
my g230s have brown gunk on the side from all the years of being greasy
>>54504732
Cowon M2 unless you have the money to afford one of the Plenues.
Fostex TH-X00s are back on Massdrop. 350 left in the May shipment, otherwise you gotta wait till September
Scored a massive deal on a Stax 007mk1 locally by trading a lot of stuff.
I have a SRM-717, is it really as hard to drive as people say it is? I just am kinda wary. Heard it off a KGSSHV and it sounded great but that's a 500v swing with similar current compared to a 350v swing.
>>54504704
Soundmagic e80
I just sent back an Audio-Technica ATH-M50X because it really didn't sound as good as I expected and the plastic felt a bit cheap and like it could break. It felt more like a €99 headphone than a €166 headphone.
Just ordered the Marshall overear, hope those are better. At least they're cheaper
Did I do well or will I end up sending those back too?
>>54506875
why would you come for advice AFTER making terrible purchase decisions? where the fuck did you get the idea to buy either of those headphones?
>>54506897
>why would you come for advice AFTER making terrible purchase decisions?
because I can still send them back, I'm in the middle of purchasing them, everything can be reverted
>where the fuck did you get the idea to buy either of those headphones?
Not here. I was looking online for good headphones for around €150 because I've had enough of using my gaming headset to listen to music and these were actually recommended by a lot of people
Now that one wasn't what I expected and wasn't as described by the user reviews online I thought I should visit a place with less shilling (I hope)
I mean, I want good headphones, but I don't want to spend €400 on them because I don't have the money. Not sure if this is possible at all though
>>54506875
Marshall is pretty good IMO, bit on the bassy side but you get used to it.
>>54506875
Why don't you fill out the form so we can give you better purchasing advice? Marshall is kind of like Bose. You are paying more for the brand than for the sound quality.
>Buy high quality audiophile earphones
>Plug them into my phone
>Sounds like shitty $2 shop buds, crackles at medium volume
>Plug them into my PC
>GOD Tier musical experience
>MFW the audio driver on my phone is too shit to utilize full capability of new ear-buds.
Best headphones for audiophiles.
Citations:
I'm an audiophile who uses these headphones with my iPhone 6. :^)
>>54506972
http://pastebin.com/vCV3p5bB
>Marshall is kind of like Bose. You are paying more for the brand than for the sound quality.
yeah, I'm kinda worried about that too, but h-hey, at least it's not beats by dr dre!
>>54507096
HP50 or MSR7
>>54507088
your headphones look like the fucking reddit logo
FUCK OFF
>>54507141
They seem better than the ATH-M50X but they're really outside my price range. Here I'd pay €250 for the MSR7 and €299 for the HP50
I'm more looking for headphones in the 100-200 range than the 200-300 range
>>54507079
The earphone are called Panasonic Drops 360° Luxe.
They are very good.
Bought last years model (doesn't include mic or volume buttons) cheap off amazon.
>>54507203
I PAY TOP DOLLARS FOR TOP MEMES
TOP DOLLARS
TOP
kik me
>>54507193
The MSR7 is €200 in Germany. Why is it more expensive in Netherlands?
>>54507233
idk, has something to do with importing them I'm sure
I'm reading online that the MSR7 isn't very comfortable. Do you own them? What's your experience with that?
>>54507270
>idk, has something to do with importing them I'm sure
I thought the EU was formed specifically to prevent that.
They are like the HD600/650. They have a bit of uncomfortable clamp at first but they get comfortable over time. You can put them around a bunch of books or bend it yourself. I tried that and ended up doing it too much which screwed up the seal and sent them back the first time.
>>54507292
>I thought the EU was formed specifically to prevent that.
You wouldn't believe the price difference between a Mercedes here and one in Germany
Luckily, I can order them off amazon.de for €197
Thanks for the bending advice, I think I'll go for these if the Marshalls I ordered turn out to be shit as well
>>54507320
>You wouldn't believe the price difference between a Mercedes here and one in Germany
That's just country specific taxation and like many things within EU not directly related to commerce, this does have a rather considerable effect on it.
>>54505101
Yeah, it kinda is. You'll notice it's a little darker on stax amps. I have a KGSSHV 500V powering my Mk I and I used to own a 727 with feedback mod which is almost the same as a stock 717. KGSSHV wins hands down. But you can always work on building a KGSSHV or a carbon or whatever and take your time with it. No rush. 007MkI on a 717 isn't the best an 007 can do, but it still kills pretty much every other headphone around.
>>54497738
I just got a dt770 80ohm and fiio a3 amp a couple of weeks ago, i'm really happy with the combo so far. I wear em at work for 3-4 hours a day and they're cushy as fuck. Best sounding headphones I've ever had, but then again I've never spent more than $75 for a pair. YMMV I guess but I'm super stoked on my purchase
>>54505101
>have a SRM-717, is it really as hard to drive as people say it is?
You should take any mention about headphones being hard to drive from people with nothing but their gut feel about the subject as a massive grain of salt.
>>54508051
Except the SR-007 is literally hard to drive, by the numbers. KG and spritzer are about as anti-touchy-feely about gut feeling idiocy as you can get.
>>54508090
>Except the SR-007 is literally hard to drive
Because of sensitivity or something else? If low sensitivity, you just need enough voltage or you'll be limited by SPL. I was mostly referring to people's impressions about amplifiers being different sounding here anyway as it's another question entirely.
What's everyone's bit rate and sample rate settings?
>>54508109
It's a stat, not a dynamic. Works totally differently. The impedance is in the hundreds of thousands of ohms. You have a constant bias voltage of 580ish, your power supply running between 300-800 for voltage swing, but anything above about 400 and regulated is fine. Then the big factor is how much current you can push through your output stage.
>>54499258
>cheaper
119 usd
vs 42 usd
Yeah rite.
>>54508116
24/192k just cause. My dac resamples everything to 16/192 anyways.
>>54508116
24/48k
My dac does 24/192, and I ran it that way for awhile. But after watching some sound science stuff on how dac's sample, how sound waves are reproduced and how anything higher than 48k can start to introduce errors, I figured I'll keep it where it's at.
Bit depth is lower noise floor, so while 16bit is plenty good, no harm in going higher there.
>Budget
$100-150 AUD
>Location
Australia
>Source
PC, LG G4 phone and PS4
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized with an in line mic prefferably to talk on PS4
>Open or closed
Either
>Comfort level
Very comfortable for long sessions at home
>Preferred tonal balance
Base or V
>Preferred music
/mu/ shit, currently listening to Radiohead and Death Grips if that helps
>Past headphones
TDK MPi110
Guys, I need some good quality, sound-proof earbuds for less than 25 euros. What would you recommend ?
>>54508116
24bit/48 kHz
This is really irrelevant though. There's no audible difference unless the DAC design is complete garbage and fails at resampling or something in software fails at it.
>>54508158
>Works totally differently.
The load is very different in scale and type, but that doesn't change the bits about voltage sensitivity or current. That applies to any system, even outside the context of audio.
>hard to drive, by the numbers
What are those figures?
>>54509043
Something like a Beyer 770 only needs about .09 Vrms to reach 100 dbSPL
The SR-007 needs 100 Vrms.
>>54497348
If you only have 10 dollars, a nokia and live in syria, getting headphones is the least of your priorities.
>>54509399
By electrostatic standards, that it requires more voltage is given by reading the spec sheet.
What makes it so special among other electrostatics?
The capacitance is lower than most of the other Stax, less current is needed for a given slew. The sensitivity at midrange frequencies is average, is it that the response slides downward in the upper frequencies?
>>54504135
>>54504166
>>54504191
>>54504229
Calm your nips you mad cunt.
Im living in europe and have around 50-70€ budget. Is it recommendable to buy at amazon a popular headphone with high rating or should I better look at some chink sites?
>>54509538
>the response slides downward in the upper frequencies?
That's it.
First time buyer for a DAC, any suggestions?
Currently using DT 770 Pro, 990 Pro, Custom Studio Pros, and HD 558. Something in all price ranges would be very helpful.
>>54510985
>best deal-tier
2000's flagship DAC/reciever. Can get them for next to nothing and they still perform at a high level, as long as you don't mind the space they take up. Will also power speakers.
>I do need the space and still want it cheapish tier
magni, O2+ODAC
>I need the peace of mind of a $500ish quality DAC
Benchmark, Schiit second and third tier ranges
>I need the best and fuck money
Yggdrasil, M2, etc. There's a lot more expensive ones that exist but nothing that justifies the price. Most actually perform worse.
Did I do OK
>>54511324
yeah, as long as you paid less than $200 and fix the treble with eq
>>54511324
That looks very good.
Somewhat on topic. Does anyone know of any phones that have a decent amp in them? Looking for something semi-newish that can run dt770s-250ohm. My z3 isn't cutting it, and it's showing its age.
My ATH-M50x's arrived today. Pretty new to headphones and stuff so I didn't buy an amp yet. Problem is it works fine on my phone but the audio is super low on my PC. I've checked all the settings I could think of. It's directly plugged into the audio in, my previous headset worked fine on my PC.
Do any of you guys have any ideas?
>>54511724
its really hard to drive 250 ohm with just phones. Not many phones equipped with great discrete amps. Especially Sony was never acknowledged for having good powers in their phones or even its DAP.
>>54511099
>implying you've tested any of this and aren't just parroting what you read online
>>54508116
use wasapi exclusive output with a plugin and avoid windows resampling.
>>54511099
receivers aren't good for headphones. Typically they have high noise floor, relatively high distortion, and high output impedance. Though, maybe it isn't so bad on flagship models. They also use a lot of power compared to a regular headphone amp like the o2.
Beyond the magni 2 uber and modi 2 uber, a lot of high end schiit seems shady to me. If you want to spend money beyond that, violectric and benchmark make good stuff.
>>54511525
Paid a lot more, but my country is lol expensive af
>>54511580
Definetly the best aesthetics of my bunch
>>54511724
LG v10 supposedly drives up to 600ohm
>Budget
$150
>Location
US
>Source
Internal 600hm Soundcard, and E09k.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full Size + IEM Suggestions is welcome as well.
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Has to be pretty good with glasses.
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral probably. Good Highs, and Mids. Not overpowering Bass. Needs to be clean~
>Preferred music
Orchestral
Jazz
Violin
Vocal
>Past headphones
Q701s (Fucking hated the headband) Sound was sharp as fuck too. Good clean sound other than that which i'm looking for.
Sony MDR-V150
I currently own the Fidelio X2s but I want something with less bass, and a more clean sound. I'm keeping the X2s though I just need a second pair of headphones or IEMs that are clean sounding.
>>54512300
That doesn't make sense.
>>54512337
HD 558
>>54503277
I pulled the trigger, hope I didn't fuck up too bad. The treble roll-off and midrange look pretty similar to my 595s so I should like them as long as the bass isn't overpowering everything else
>>54503277
>when they say veiled but I think that's really an exaggeration
Agreed, /hpg/ had a bad habit of exagerating their negative impressions just as may reviews have a bad habit of exagerating their good ones.
>>54500517
Ordered. Thank you.
>>54512349
I dont own one, but thats what it claims. I read a review that said it ran 250ohms (think it was senn 600 or 650 or something) with no issue.
Does anyone have any experience with turntables? My really really old circa 1950's died and I'm looking for replacement.
Any recommendations?
European Union, up to 70 bongs or 80 euros
>>54512806
i recommend that you use something else that doesn't degrade the sound quality
>>54507668
Yeah, the kits seem a reasonable price. I'd probably just build a case out of cheap aluminum or wood at home depot or something if I go that route so I'd cost me around 500-550 total. I think I could sell the 717 and pretty much fully fund it. I just don't want to waste my time if its not real.
There's no numbers indicating its harder to drive, so I just don't know and am pretty skeptical of audiophiles. I'll get it later this week and see.
>>54512914
Fuck you. I like how they sound.
>>54512956
ok, but please keep your weird fetishes to yourself
>>54497422
bad drivers, faulty microphone, loose wires
really could be countless problems
>>54512775
The part of "can drive *enter any amount* ohms" doesn't make sense. You don't drive Ohms. My phone can drive those Sennheiser headphones just fine too. The impedance is irrelevant on its own, much more useful is to know the sensitivity of the headphones and output power of the amplifier to a load.
>>54508163
For some reason I read that as GR07.
Hello guys, can someone help me with what new headphone I should buy?
>Budget
No more than $100
>Location
US
>Source
Notebook, sometimes my cellphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Average is okay
>Preferred tonal balance
Bassy or neutral
>Past headphones
Philips SHL3200/28
>>54497311
I recently got DT880's with a fiio e10k. Upgraded from HD558's. They sound great, although the improvement in quality from HD558->DT880 didn't blow me away like I thought it would. I guess it's to expect, since there's certainly a diminishing return for price/performance. As for comfort, I have quite a large head and HD558's were the perfect size for me (I had them at the largest setting). I especailly prefered the oval earcups. At first, I found the DT880's uncomfortable simply because they were a tiny bit too small, but after like 1 week of use now they feel fine and very comfortable. I guess they just stretched out or something, since now they fit fine. I probably would prefer the fit of the HD600's personally just because of how my head is shaped though. But I got the DT880's 600 ohm for 250$ canadian and the HD600's retail for 440$ canadian. So I'm very happy with my purchase. I was worried about the 600 ohms needing a better amp but my fiio e10k seem to power them just fine. I can also plug them in my nexus 6p and they sound fine, but they don't get super loud.
Also, what do you guys do with long cables? Pic related. I'd like a cleaner way to manage this cable. Kind of annoying that they don't have a detachable cable. Oh well, I guess the way I did it is fine.
>>54495528
Terrible picture but who gives a shit.
Just got my k712's and I have to say that They're better than the 702's. I love the 702's but these sounds the same but with more bass extension (but FAR from nigger bass) and less harsh highs, also the pads are memory foam and feel a bit softer. They're fucking perfect for me.
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>>54514381
glad you like your new headphones that are marginally better than your old ones
>>54514503
Yep just like any headphone above £100, i'm selling the 702's for near full price, stay mad.
>>54514911
why would i be mad?
>>54515096
I don't know but you sound it m8
>>54514154
xpt100
I want to ride my bike these five days off from work. I just got Spotify and a mount for my phone. What is a good pair of earbuds to use while riding?
I used my EarPods while mowing the lawn and the noise completely drowned out the music. Now I fear that the wind will do the same when I ride my bike. Don't wanna use foam tip earbuds anymore since they really aren't safe(strong isolation).
What can I use around $50? I have a Bluetooth speaker, but that was very obnoxious while riding.
>Budget
About $150 but flexible up to $180
>Location
US
>Source
PC into DAC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized over ear
>Open or closed
I'm looking to try open
>Comfort level
Average to high
>Preferred tonal balance
Fairly flat, maybe slightly warm. Do not want any V shaped tonal balance (Such as with the DT770s)
>Preferred music
Shoegaze, chill/vapor wave, jazz, rock and metal (I also work on my own music projects) - so virtual any genre
>Past headphones
AKG K44 - Cheap but cheerful, they sound pretty good.
I feel the Sennheiser HD598 may be the right choice but I'm still open for other options
Any experience with the Audioengine d1?
>>54495528
I am about to buy Etymotic mc3 Earphones+Headset for 69€ (88$) with shipping included.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Etymotic-Research-mc3-Earphones-Headset-Earbuds-In-Ear-Headphones-Mic-/252193393467
I want something better than my current 15$ Sonys to use with my phone and eventually with a portable player (like the Fiio X2) if I ever get one.
Is this a bad deal?
My current setup on my PC is
Motherboard (sabertooth x79) stock DAC -> Head'n'Hifi Objective2 amp -> AKG K702
and I am quite happy with it.
>>54517647
one thing I am worried about is isolation, since it might be dangerous as I'll be walking and crossing roads.
Are all the stock tips very insulating, or is there one that lets a little sound through?
Ordered a e10k because I wanted a volume pot
What am I in for
>>54512289
You can't have the X2's in there and then say the beyers have the best A E S T H E T I C S
>>54516153
M6 pro
Just got my Hyperx Cloud 1 today since they're rebranded pro 80's, and I'm quite happy with them. The soundstage and clarity are just what I wanted, I wish they had more bass and sub bass though. (I guess I realized I'm a minor bass head) For the $30 I paid they were definitely worth the buy.
It's kinda funny how Linus from LinusTechTips said they sounded a little bit like turtle beaches, I totally disagree with that
>Budget
US$150
>Location
Canada
>Source
HifimeDIY Sabre 9018
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
Closed, I guess?
>Comfort level
Important
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Preferred music
Electronic
Folk
Classical
>Past headphones
DT990
Klipsch x10 (I'm trying to replace this one after it broke)
>>54517437
Is ok.
>>54517671
Clean audio and a powerful enough amp to power most headphones on the market, even some of the hardest ones.
>>54517671
Had one, selling it right now
Really good entry level amp/dac
What is it powering?
http://www.pcgamer.com/we-tested-23-mainstream-gaming-headsets-to-find-the-best/
Bunch of freq response graphs for headsets.
>>54517437
if you want to nitpick, it had high jitter over toslink and high crosstalk and the power was meh.
that being said, it's probably good enough.
>>54517974
I appreciate it, but they fucked up the y-axis on the FR charts. It's even worse than SBAF.
>>54517437
I'm also open for a 350$ budget. Any alternatives to the Dacmagic plus worth mentioning?
>>54518328
>upsampling
>>54518328
just get an o2 dac/amp or a schiit stack brah
>>54518384
I fear these might be too bright for my tastes. As far as I have read so far anyway
>>54518564
The o2 is as neutral as it gets, is that what you would consider bright?, if so you might as well get overly warm headphones and get it over with?
>>54518564
Just get tubes. They're more fun and have a warmer than neutral sound. The O2 is pretty neutral, not bright.
Any cheap tube amp will warm up a "neutral" headphone.
How do you guys like the HE400?
I've found one for rather cheap (less than i paid for my DT880 actually) and never tried a planar before.
My little cousin is being annoying asking to borrow my headset constantly and I'm thinking of just selling it to him. Problem is I use these.
I plan on buying new ones anyway since these suck. I'm looking for something better, something with which I can hear individual instruments so I can notate what I hear and mix my own things.
I have $50 in my pocket. I was thinking of getting the Sony MDR7506 due to their apparent ubiquity in studios, but I don't feel just in charging a child $30 for used shitphones (Turtle Beach PX22s with markup because of a COD skull printed on the side). Is there something that does the job for cheaper?
>>54519498
Superlux hd681 is the cheapets you will get and is actually praised for games. You will probably need a mic too, Zalman Mic 1 should do the trick.
>>54519597
You're not reading right.
I currently own those Turtle Beach headphones.
My cousin keeps borrowing them.
It's annoying and I might as well just sell them to him.
The price for which I will sell them to will be added to the $50 I already have, to buy headphones for myself.
I will use my headphones for notating music and mixing my own.
I am interested in the Sony MDR7506.
The Sony MDR506 cost $80 which is $50+30
I don't feel comfortable charging $30 for the Turtle Beach shitphones
Therefore I am looking for headphones for notating music and mixing my own that cost $50+x where x is a fair price for these shitphones
Am I clear?
Just bought an LCD-2 and a T1 from an online buddy who wants to clear his inventory for better gear. I wanted to upgrade and he said he was selling them to me for cheap so I took his offer, but I wish I knew what they sound like. They're supposed to be good, right?
So my MDR V6s aren't working, and I was curious how common this problem is. Basically the jack is a few mm to short and it doesn't make good contact with any thing I try to plug it into. I'm not sure if the jack was always like this, but it's getting increasingly harder to use them correctly. Has anyone else experienced this and possibly know a solution outside of replacing the whole jack?
>>54520206
It's not like replacements are expensive. If we got rid of welfare they'd probably actually cost a dime for a dozen. Here's 10 for $5
http://www.amazon.com/uxcell%C2%AE-Plastic-Housing-Headphone-Connector/dp/B00MFRZ2SG
>>54520327
I figured that would be my only option. Is there any way to remove the jack with out replaceing the whole cable though?
>>54520366
Yeah.
Just bought a ATH-M40x, and I'm really not impressed by how it sounds
Even my Shure earbuds sound way better than this shit
What should have I gotten instead for around 100$?
>>54520812
Sony MDR7506
>>54517941
se846 and various other iems. got tired of programs having different volumes constantly making me alt tab.
I just hope it has a low noise floor and it isn't susceptible to dirty usb power, because the 5v coming out of my rampage v is dirtier than a $2 hooker.
>>54520812
What is it that you don't like about them? Just saying something sucks still leave us pretty clueless to what you would actually like.
>>54520812
XPT100? HD280?
>>54520913
Fair enough, I've never really bought a real headset before and the only experience to high quality audio I have is my Shure SE215's.
I know they are meant to be be flat headphones, but anything that I play sounds very dull and not 'colorful'.
I usually listen to electronic music if that helps.
>>54515266
Thanks!
Shure 215s or MEE M6 Pro?
>>54521027
>SE215
>M40X sounds very dull and not 'colorful'
>I listen to electronic music
Yeah, you are most likelly missing the extra bass, not many bassy options in that price range, maybe you would like the M50X, assuming you could get it for 100 bucks.
V-moda m80 is cheaper and has a pretty similar signature to the m50x, however it's on-ear, so comfort would be compromised.
A good way to comfirm this would be to eq your m40x, hell, you might even like it enough just with eq and not need to replace it at all.
>>54521153
RHA MA750
>>54521195
Thanks for the info
Any good tutorials on how to eq?
Tried googling already, and then when trying myself, didn't seem like I was getting anywhere
Darn maybe I should have gotten the 50X's I saw used on amazon for 75$- gone now
>>54521271
The wiki on Op should help you with EQing, Anon.
>>54521271
Equalizer APO + Peace and just play with sliders under 200hz
What is this meme garbage?
Thoughts on Sennheiser hd 25 ii ?
>>54522925
>Thoughts on Sennheiser hd 25 ii ?
That sounds a lot like "What's your opinion on x" and asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
Most posters around here discount on-ears like the HD25-1 II as not being comfortable. I've worn mine for twelve hour international flights without discomfort. Though they might have come off when I fell asleep.
They have a lively sound that really complements rock, EDM, etc. Being light weight and with a split headband they can be very comfortable. They come with velour earpads as well as the standard leather. The velour are more comfortable but they do not seal as well and compromise the isolation factor.
>>54522108
On Linux- but I will spend some time playing around with an eq
But I think I'm just going to spend the extra 20$ and buy the M50X
>>54522823
>running through a Valhalla when he already has a Benchmark 2 for DAC and headphones.
Oh wait, I see those HD800's. He's using the tubes to roll off the upper frequencies. Retarded, but I get the logic behind it at least. It would sound way better straight out of the Benchmark 2 with some EQ though.
>>54523110
I wouldn't calling it rolling off when the difference is like 0.1dB
So I got to try the Momentum Wireless, it changed my opinion on noise cancelling.
About to buy a pair for use while traveling and being outside.
Any reason I should not other than price?
>>54523435
You get the same effect with passive isolation as you get with active cancellation with a good set of closed cans/IEMs. And you don't have added complexity or have to worry about battery power.
>>54523110
>using the tubes to roll off the upper frequencies
They don't. Not audibly at least.
>>54522823
Exactly that, meme garbage.
Are there any decent, balanced [mostly] closed headphones in the $50-70 range? I've had HD668b but they were sharp and sibilant as fuck, after EQing the treble down they were dull and hollow instead.
>>54519133
Awful.
Looking for a second pair of headphones, coming from some 7506s. Loved how the bass wasn't boomy, and how shit was articulated but I'd like something with more mids and less shrill highs, budget is 200. Any reccs?
Hey guys, I got the kingston hyperx cloud 2, and I like it, the sound is awesome and its very comfortable, but I need it mostly for workouts, and its really not working with the wires and shit, so I'm looking to swap it for a wireless headphone and I was thinking about the Sony MDR-XB950BT. What do you think?
>>54524254
Open or closed? Where are you using them? What are you plugging them into?
>>54524254
Fill out the form.
>>54524629
>working out with gaming headset instead of IEMs.
>>54524816
I know......but its not like I can't take the mic off, also a friend who is a dj and gamer recommended me those. But do you have an answer to my question?
My dt990 pros sound pretty good so far. Can I get more out of them? Right now I use them from an onkyo tx-sv545, connected to my pc via the standard 3.5 jack.
>>54524879
you can EQ them
Whats a good cheap headphone amp I should get /g/?
Should I spring for a eBay cheapy?
>Budget
200€, I can push up to 250€ if there is a good deal, I would just have to wait next month.
>Location
Poortugal.
>Source
Desktop.
>Preferred type of headphone
Any.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
I prefer sound quality over comfort so I don't care.
>Preferred music
I have a preference for metal (mostly heavy or progressive), anyway, I wouldn't like to lose too much from other genre.
I would like to know what kind of setup do you guys have to have the best sound quality.
Pic somehow related: That's something a friend is going to buy, any of you had any experience with them ?
>>54524956
V-shaped garbage
get DT250s instead
>>54524909
>EQ
Why would you destroy the process of replicating the original sound, anon?
>>54525010
not failing for your bait, but here's your reply
So I want to get a open headphone with GOOD build quality, a fair bit of bass, and it needs to look and feel comfy. Should I get the SHP9500 Some AKG (if so, which one), or an entirely different headphone?
>>54525030
It's not even b8. I am srs. Why are you listening to music on a hi-fi pair of headphones? To get a accurate sound replication, right? Then why use an EQ?
>>54525125
you're assuming your headphones are perfect. which they are not. you can make them closer to perfect by EQing them.
Superlux HD668B still acceptable headphones for the price?
>>54525010
>>54525125
>DT990
>accurate sound replication
What am I looking at here.
>>54525227
a guy listening to the gear of another guy who is not very good at spending money his money wisely
>>54525227
Smug old man.
>>54525010
>>54525125
people still dont know anything about sound
>>54525227
some guy listening to music where you can hear the drummer fart
>>54525125
EQ is the only way you'll get accurate sound with headphones. You use it to minimize the coloration caused by the headphones which are all very non-linear regardless of target. Thankfully many headphones are easy to EQ. Very poor ones with limited bandwidth, peakycolored response or high levels of distortion not so much.
>>54525227
An elder man listening to someone else's setup which consists of expensive and niche audiophile gear, some of it absolutely pointless(garden hose wires, power conditioner).
I'm a complete noob when it comes to headphones.
I've my Sennheiser HD429 for a while but now the sound is only coming out of one column and I'm pretty sure it's a fault of the cable.
How do I go on about fixing this?
>>54525445
you stop buying sennheiser products
>>54525462
I guess the cable is pretty fragile but I'm satisfied with the sound.
Is there a way to maybe re-wire it in a way to get a stereo sound again.
>>54525485
you need to solder it back on.
the first thing you should do is find out if your headphones are still covered by the warranty.
>>54525518
I did that but they never replied replied to my request so I assumed they don't cover this kind of reparation.
I bought them yesteryear too...
Is ath-m50x a meme
Or good enough for someone who always used in ears and want to try out on ears
Will people around me hear the music? Thats my only concerne desu
>>54525588
unless you are listening to stuff crazy loud and you are in a really quiet environment, no.
They are perfectly fine headphones. Make sure you can drive them though.
>>54525588
If you are going portable, just stick with in ears.
>>54524876
I already told you the answer. Get some IEMs not wireless.
>>54524629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCqisXxtego
>>54525588
Either go in ears or full size, on ear is a pointless uncomfortable middle ground.
are audio technica e series earbuds a meme? Money isnt a problem for me and i am an audio enthusiast, so are they worth it?
I'm looking for a single headset w/ microphone for gaming and music. Anything good for under $100
>>54522925
See what I mean with >>54525905 posting shit about on-ears?
>>54525940
Stick with the SE535 or ER4.
>>54518328
NAD D1050 has the headphone amp and balanced outputs, but reports a "low" headphone impedance but still has a rubbish digital volume control just the same.
Take the placebo differences with a pinch of salt and choose whatever is cheapest.
>>54517827
That nigger either has busted hearing from working as a painter and being on construction sites, or having his ugly ass wife nagging at him to stop riding dicks and put a baby in her so she can claim more welfare.
Ignore his opinion on anything audio.
So /hpg/.
I'm considering getting either an HE400S or a Fidelio X2. Anyone here have experience with these two? Suggestions or recommendations?
(Consider that I won't get the ear pad replacement for the HE400S and I have an e17 AMP/DAC and won't get a newer source.)
>>54517974
Do they even mention how they treated the raw FR data? It would be nice to know, because it doesn't look like raw data with the vertical axis being all fucked up and no label. Shitty execution on what is essentially a great idea.
>>54526087
>SE535
shit dude, those look damn nice
looking at the reviews, i cant find a reason not to. thanks senpai
>>54526157
>Do I get nobass or too much bass?
Neither, get the 400i instead of either.
The only reason I don't like >>54525905
What is full size?
I'm sorry, I thought there are only in ears and on ears
>>54526601
over-ear
How did my doge do?
>>54517647
>>54517666
I did it.
Did I spend my money wisely?
I heard they're quite neutral.
Again I am mostly worried about being run over by a car now.
I wish I had some awareness of my surroundings while I'm walking.
Has anyone here have an X2, should I buy the X2 or some other headphone in the ~250 usd range? Needs to be open back
>>54527401
are you looking for advice only from people who own the headphones?
>>54524956
Eu ouço metal com certa frequência e gosto do DT880 para isso, mas já ouvi em um DT770 e soou muito bem também, prefiro o DT880 porque, embora pessoalmente me agrade a ênfase no baixo, bumbo e pratos proporcionada pela assinatura em V, ainda é mais próximo de neutro que o DT770, claro que essa neutralidade é em detrimento do isolamento, então eu diria que é uma troca justa.
Este Anon >>54524972 tem razão no entanto, se preferir algo mais neutro o DT250 faz muito bem o trabalho.
Um Amp pode ajudar dependendo da impedância e sensibilidade, um DAC também caso creia que a reprodução não é fidedigna o bastante a partir da onboard.
>>54527885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3n_NsvGZSg
>>54528033
>tfw i used to work at a gaming lan center
>tfw it was pretty much like that
Internet connection here is pretty shitty, so every now and then i would punish them all by torrenting all the shit i could while loading hundreds of youtube videos, they would lag to death over and over, lose entire quests and clan wars... good times.
What is a good pair of sound isolation earbuds around $50? I used to be a fan of JVC marshmallows and Koss sparkplugs, but after coming back to both years later they sound very tinny. I really want to get some with foam tips because they sound and feel better.
USA-Illinois-Chicago.
is this a meme? does it actually matter?
>>54528610
there is no reason not to do it
>>54525114
shp9500
>>54528240
What sound signature? If you're looking for something pretty neutral, e80 are pretty nice and right in your budget. They come with Complys if you want foam, too.
http://www.amazon.com/SoundMAGIC-Reference-Flagship-Isolating-Headphones/dp/B0133ACTPW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8
>>54528610
>does it actually matter?
In most cases no, not in the slightest. However, there are pros and cons to all kinds of volume adjustment.
Digital volume control effectively reduces the bit depth which is the dynamic range of the signal. The result of lowering the volume in digital domain brings up the noise floor because of quantization error. The standard 16 bit computer audio signal has a dynamic range of roughly 90 dB without dither and close to 120 dB with it. It's more than you need for listening purposes and gives you quite a bit of headroom to control volume in digital domain.
There's also something called noise shaping which is used to change the noise floor to roughly match the equal loudness contour of our hearing thus perceivably lowering the noise floor further. What you need to know is that in most cases the digital bit depth is not the limitation in noise floor in almost any system and worrying about it even in the case if it is makes no difference during listening unless the volume is cut down by an extreme amount.
Some "purists" dislike the idea of digital signal processing and avoid it completely by using a dedicated audio API like WASAPI or ASIO which prevent you from using volume sliders/mixers like the ones found from media players and operating systems.
Analogue volume control directly limits the voltage of the signal with a potentiometer. Full volume means no attenuation and turning the volume all the way down limits the volume by per channel basis when using the common dual gang pot found in most headphone and audio amplifiers. This can cause very noticeable channel imbalance with heavy attenuation where you hear the other channel louder than the other but disappears when volume is turned up. Stepped pots mostly avoid this and well engineered/manufactured pots have negligible levels of channel imbalance even with heavy attenuation. For this reason it is the best to avoid the extreme low end of analog volume adjustment with pots.
>>54524807
>>54524717
Oh sorry, my bad.
>Budget
200 or under
>Location
U.S (California)
>Source
FiiO K1 through laptop, also phone. Looking into getting a small dac for it but mainly focused on laptop for now.
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I'd like to be able to wear them for hours at a time.
>Preferred tonal balance
Tight bass, not overly bassy. Smooth mids and not harsh highs
>Preferred music
Jazz, Hip Hop, Rock old and new.
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-7506 ( Loved them, but highs were a little shrill at times.)
My JVC HAS700 headphone jack broke while mowing the lawn. Need a recommendation on a over the ear isolating headphone for mowing. Cheaper the better, thanks.
>>54527401
It depends, If you want bassy open headphone that easily driven by any devices. X2 is a good choice.
>>54529544
>boomy midbass hump with zero subbass
>>54529565
Call me when dynamic driver open headphones can create subbass.
>>54529580
>open dynamics struggle with sub bass response
>therefore i should buy headphones that have shit subbass compared to even open dynamics, that'll show em!
>>54529599
Why do people seem to prefer open headphones then? Closed headphones seem to have a better sound overall, including good sub bass
>>54529678
Overall neutrality > Neutral bass
>>54529580
Most of them can. Roll off is easily fixed by equalization.
Picked the HD650s up for $100 yesterday, they're not as comfy as X2s
>>54529678
open headphones don't have cup resonances
>>54529789
brand new? that's a steal if they don't snap
>>54529878
Used
>>54529914
still a good price if you replace the pads.
and if they don't snap
>>54529914
Who the hell sells their hd650 for 100$
>>54529789
Damn, that's cheap! How are you liking it?
What's better than the E10K for the same price?
>>54530092
Nothing. best upgrade form that is the o2 amp+ any cheap dac you can find.
>>54529789
I'd gladly make a trade for your 650s for my X2s anon.
>>54530092
>>54530120
>+ any cheap dac you can find.
E10K has the same dac as the ODAC. Literally the best upgrade over e10k is just the O2 amp
>>54530121
already have X2s tho
>Budget
$60
>Location
Argentina, travelling to USA in a month
>Source
Phone,PC
>Preferred type of headphone
over-ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
comfy but not too bulky, also, im looking for headphones with detachable cables
>Past headphones
sony mdr zx100
>>54530160
The o2 amp alone doesn't have a dac unless you buy the combo which is overpriced imo. If your Pc or whatever has noise then you will need a dac to remove it, and only a cheap one. That was my point.
Case in point I have an o2 amp and a £40 usb sabre dac. Roughly £100 cheaper than buying the o2 combo.
Why does WASAPI (event) sound louder than directsound in foobar?
>>54530160
Oh sorry ignore my other post, i think you mean he should just keep the e10k as his dac and buy an o2 amp?
If that's the case then yeah I agree.
>Budget
$200, preferably less as headphone prices in Canada are significantly more than US
>Location
Canada
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfortable for extended use
>Preferred tonal balance
Not exactly sure but leaning toward more neutral, shouldn't be overpowering bass
>Preferred music
Indie rock, folk, psychedelic, ambient/electronic, dreampop, shoegaze
>Past headphones
AD700
I don't know a ton about headphones but want to get a decent pair of closed headphones especially for when gf is sleeping so isolation is somewhat important but a little leakage is fine. Have been leaning strongly towards the 7056 but wish they had a removable cord, and from what I have researched the bass on the m50x is pretty meme tier overpowering.
>>54529565
What the fuck does this mean. Do none of you niggers speak English
I think I'm getting some noise from my Essence STX. Would getting something like a schiit stack as an in between help? It's also be nice not to have to go under the desk to disconnect the headphones.
>>54531378
he's talking about the bass of the X2
>>54531494
> innerfidelity
I honestly don't know how to read their charts. Does this mean the HD600 has even less subbass?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf
>>54531439
Alternatively, how can I tell if the fuzz/buzz I'm hearing in my left ear from the HD558 isn't just the driver failing or something. I'm almost certain its not my tinnitus. I think.
>>54531610
yes, it does.
>>54531637
Than the X2 is a superior all arounder?
>>54531663
there is more to headphones than bass. you could say it's a better all-rounder but less detailed overall, if that makes sense.
>>54531663
Not him but most likely not.
Try the akg k712, it's god tier and doesn't need an EQ at all.
>>54531712
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK712.pdf
But their subbass is still weak
>>54531727
Not from where I'm sitting, the 702's are brilliant and these are an upgrade from them in every sense. I literally deleted My APO EQ program earlier because these are near perfect and don't need it imo.
Straight in my pc, straight in my ps4 for gaming via my o2 amp, you name it. These are the fucking end game, unless you want to spend a grand on hd800's and that's pretty fucking retarded unless your'e rich.
>>54495528
If the irish are niggers like /pol/ says then why do they make the 'best' headphones in the world?. aka the hd800 and a couple of others?
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