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Official Thread #054: The "Pascal" Edition
Good Morning,
This thread is to consolidate graphics card and display technologies discussion to reduce unnecessary thread clutter on /g/. Let's also keep the shilling to a minimum, no-one fucking cares.
Direct any and all questions regarding Graphics Cards and Display Adapters here first, including purchase and sale questions:
Use >>>/g/gcg/
For non-related questions, link to find the stupid questions thread:
>>>/g/sqt
Support questions should be directed to >>>/wsr/, as per /g/'s sticky. Or just fucking Google it instead of shitposting.
In the news:
>New product launches! GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 Pascal graphics cards will be released in the coming weeks. O woe be AMD:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1080
http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-gtx-1080/
If you find any news, post it below! Try to get at least two sources first!
Budget crown:AMD RTG Radeon R9 380X
Performance crown:Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 [pending]
/GCG/'s ChoiceNvidia GeForce GTX 1070 [pending peer review]
> NEW PASTEBIN -----> http://pastebin.com/GKpypK28
Buyer Guides:
>GPU's
www.logicalincrements.com
www.pcpartpicker.com
>Monitors/Displays
https://pcmonitors.info
Logical Increments happily accepts suggestions, comments, and criticisms. Falco Paunch!
Drivers:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
Someone on /g/ earlier this week claimed that Nvidia, with the release of their new graphics cards, had basically declared that they didn't give a shit about the competition, and that they would make the best graphics card they could no matter what. Discuss below, Is the dedicated desktop market actually as important to Nvidia as we all wished it was? OR are they moving/evacuating to greener pastures?
Thankyou.
Whats better to get right now between 980 and 980ti?
SOMEONE BUY MY COMPUTER FOR MORE THAN IT IS WORTH SO I CAN BUILD A NEW ONE KTHX
>>54457205
Probably the Ti
Though the 980 might be easy enough on the wallet to allow sooner future upgrades.
>>54457225
>everyone right now
I'm starting to think there is no point in owning decent hardware anymore. When I was a kid PC games seemed to have such a bright future. We had shit like MS Flight Sim that even my dad liked and needed $3000 pc to run well. Now we have cartoony bullshit like Overwatch that I could probably play on my laptop. Games that actually push the envelope like Crysis become memes so nobody makes them anymore. Man fuck this. If I showed my dad Overwatch he'd look at me like I'm retarded. The only reason to own a good gaming PC is for really unoptimized stuff like Arma 3 or bad console ports.
>>54457255
What, you mean you don't want to run the latest 8bit piece of shit release at 10000 fps?
Guys, I just hooked my rig up after it being in storage for a couple months and now all my games are performing incredibly poorly. Games, such as XCOM 2 and FO4, I ran just fine on high settings are virtually unplayable in any settings. Things are low poly and framerate is nigh non-existent. Maybe I hooked something up wrong? I'ts very likely. What steps should I take in ascertaining the situation? I'm not overly knowledgeable in tech stuff.
>>54457158
24" 4K HDR Rec. 2020 OLED 120 Hz freesync monitors when??
>>54457255
The only recent novelty in games that I found nice was the use of photogrammetry as seen in battlefront. This shit is so sick.
But you're right, it's not even the better hardware but more how games are made that makes it a better progress.
Show your dad this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGyaR2sSBkA
I found it impressive.
>>54457308
Dell has that stunning OLED atm, shame it's priced for billionaires
With the new Nvidia on the horizon, do you think we'll see an influx of cards on the used market?
I'm either thinking of grabbing a cheap GTX 760 to SLI with or getting a higher tier card to replace my current 760
>>54457304
Test PSU
Check you have all the required power connectors inserted into the GPU
Reapply thermal paste to both CPU and GPU
reinstall your OS
install/reinstall New drivers
How come GTX1080 is at no 15 while 290x still at the top? http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/ladders/benchmark/overall/Medium_1080p?viewType=myself
>/GCG/'s Choice
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 [pending peer review]
Who the fuck decided on that?
>>54457304
>>54457346
Also check your monitor is plugged into the GPU, and not the I/O plug on your motherboard.
My retarded friend had that problem. Was using his iGPU instead of his regular Graphics card. If you can't figure that out at a glance, call for help from someone IRL.
>>54457363
It looks to be a compelling card at its price. If its not gimped, then why on earth would you buy a brand new 390 anymore?
Bros, how long do you all think 4gb vram will last me
I need to know whether to get rid of this 980 before the value goes to shit
>>54457336
Get a 970 for like 100 bucks. A lot of new games aren't support SLI because the engines aren't very demanding.
>>54457400
If you're after resell value. Sell it asap.
If you only wanna play 1080p. Just fucking chill lad.
>>54457400
At 1080p? Probably another 2 years at least.
>>54457381
>It looks to be a compelling card at its price
But its not even out and who knows what retail price will be...
>>54457429
$379 USD
Did you not read the articles or watch the press event?
>>54457418
>>54457421
Cheers family
>>54457362
Uh oh.
>>54457437
That's the lowest recommended price, anon.
>>54457381
>Also check your monitor is plugged into the GPU,
WELL, that's what it was. Thanks for the help. Feel free to ridicule.
>>54457317
>>54457308
while theyve (mostly) fixed the blue pixel life duration problem, it still suffers from burn in very easily. you wont see computer monitors cheap until they get around that as well.
>>54457480
Holy shit son.
>>54457480
These people exist outside of r/buildapc
>>54457480
What the actual fuck.
>>54457487
Yeah, it's such a shame because of how incredible they look. Definitely the next upgrade from my U2515H- not interested in 4/5K or higher refresh rates.
>>54457406
Is the US used market really that cheap?
A quick search doesn't yield any 970's below 200€ here in Europe
>>54457362
LOL oh shit still no Async compute
Welp 490 here i come
>>54457547
yeah, i always found it funny people talking about upgrading monitors the past year or two in threads here. im just like, you guys are retarded if youre not waiting for oled at this point. theyre all hyped over dumb shit like 4k
>>54457554
Not yet but it will tank soon I imagine.
>>54457581
>If you need a monitor now you should wait 5 years
>>54457437
>$379 starting MSRP for aftermarket vendors
>$450 for reference
I'm sorry son. We can't afford Christmas this year.
Any idea if AMDGPU drivers will support the 280x?
I won't switch to linux until that happens
>>54457602
oh come on, i know that if you actually needed one, that you should get one now. but thats not what theyre talking about. theyre doing stupid incremental hype upgrades, like buying a new phone every 8 months.
>>54457581
Yeah, I find 1440p perfect for browsing, playing games and doing uni-related stuff in MATLAB or whatever.
OLED is definitely the future... I was actually in stunned silence when I saw LG's 4K OLED for the first time.
1080 benchmark in Ashes. +10% over 980 Ti in DX12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLBbNBwqxE
>>54457651
you can access official benchmark here
http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/metaverse#/ladders/benchmark/overall/Crazy_1080p?viewType=myself
>>54457651
>most powerful card ever!
>10% increase over previous flagship non oc'd in dx12
Rip Nvidia
can you get freesync to work on nvidia?
>>54457651
>TWICE AS FAST AS TITAN TITAAAAAAAN
Stupid Nvidia fanboy shitposters. Lmao.
>>54457651
>>54457697
>Still slower than R9 290 cards
Holy shit. What are Nvidia doing?
>>54457940
Here comes first butthurt fanboy!
>>54457940
Salty?
Dubs confirm
And so /gcg/ turns into AMD vs Nvidia round -1/12. Time to make a new thread and try again?
>>54457960
Looks like paper launch dubs
>>54457965
Those are the major GPU manufacturers though.
>>54457974
Still turns the thread into a shitposting mess
>>54457965
No. We're here for another 250 replies I'm afraid.
>>54457960
>>54457952
>>54457931
>>54457753
>>54457708
One more. Choke on your IEDs. I'm getting a 1070.
>>54458007
Bitch please.
This isn't even my final form :^)
>>54458045
>purple leds
>>54458076
>not having uv lighting
Its like you don't even want to be schway
>>54458007
Hope you don't regret the purchase like the 970 owners did.
>Pascal is shit
>Polaris will also be shit
>Once again the choice is which color shit you want
Hurray
>>54458107
>schway
cray
>>54458113
>>Polaris will also be shit
>Full DX12 support
>14nm
>shit
Wow no pleasing some people
>>54458117
Maymay
>>54458045
>Shit colour LEDs
>Horrible Sony headphones/cheap audio interface
>Watercooled IED (AMD)
I feel sorry for you, poorfag. Maybe your parents should work harder. You're clearly underage.
>>54458128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDT7GP9l1-I
>>54458130
Sour grapes?
Get the fuck out of my thread you retarded attention whore ragefag. You're not even here for anything constructive.
>>54458130
>7506's
>not the best tracking cans of all time
>Focusrite 18i20
>cheap
>purple
>not God tier
You tried :)
>>54457965
I thought the whole point of /gcg/ was to contain that shit into one thread.
>>54458137
Kek'd
>>54457940
amd cunt? i want to know if i can get freesync to work on nvidia. that means i have an nvidia card.
can anyone answer this btw?
>>54458185
Nope, enjoy your proprietary vaporware that is g-sync.
>>54458185
The answer is probably no. Nvidia will block it and it wont really work till Nvidia stop crossing their arms and harrumphing at AMD, Intel, and Vesa.
They'll also spurge about why theirs is superior. And maybe it is marginally. But I doubt that Nvidia will adopt it till they can safely distinguish G-sync from Free-sync, or when 80% of monitors have Free-sync.
>>54458162
>not the best tracking cans of all time
you don't even mix anything fuck off retard
>>54458209
i see, thanks
>>54458156
>TRIGGERED
The internet is serious buisness, mayne
What is all this thing about async? Forgive my illiteracy but I just can't get it : render threads using different resources running simultaneously, sweet, so what's the thing? Pascal doesn't have it? Maxwell too? AMD does? And why is it tied to DX12, how does DX impact how the card can render stuff?
>>54458270
This. Can someone explain?
>>54458156
>my thread
your containment threads are working well, keep it up and keep yourself off the rest of the board.
>>54458222
>mixing = tracking
Oh, wow.
>>54457362
Because Pascal is literally just a Maxlel die shrink with higher clocks. People called that it would still be gimped in terms of asynchronous compute ages ago.
>>54458281
>he actually thinks he does any sort of production work with his focusrite meme equipment
holy shit
Novidyacuck shill general
>>54458293
>gets caught with his pants down
>y-you don't even do anything with that equipment, I bet!
:^)
#triggered
>>54458311
>carat nose reddit face
>pseudo-pro audio gear
lol
>>54458260
Sorry. I'm just never sure how to deal with the underage
>>54458278
>and keep yourself off the rest of the board.
I often do. But I do what I want.
>>54458270
Asynchronous compute is the ability for the GPU to schedule smaller drawing and rendering tasks between large tasks with long waits. Watch this video.
Nvidia has a shitter version called warp shaders, which basically do nothing with the DX12 API.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dUhep0rBs
>>54458281
>>54458318
and you didn't even acknowledge my trips.
Rude.
>>54458270
Maxwell (and presumably Pascal) only have software async(or in other words it doesn't really have it but can act like it does), as opposed to GCN which has hardware async. Being able to do different things in parallel as opposed to sequentially (which is how GPUs normally work - you have a ton of cores doing the same thing) offers potentially significant performance boost assuming you have both hardware and software that can take advantage of it. DX11 doesn't support it, DX12(and presumably vulcan) do.
>>54458327
Oh wait, those were YOUR trips!
I am ashamed!
>>54458306
>>54458306
Why should anyone buy AMD? Seriously, give me some reasons.
>>54458270
directx is just a standardized library full of functions that can be utilized when all requirements are met. requirements are that everything in the chain needs to be "aware" that something in the chain wants to use it. so:
the os has to be aware
your drivers have to be aware
your gpu has to be aware
the game has to have it implemented.
theyre useful because it's something "nice" that a game can simply implement in a hopefully good way, so they can spend less time reinventing the wheel. theyre also universal graphics type shit, so that most game genres can use them if they want to.
async compute is just one of these functions, and it does as mku said >>54458325
however, mku, they have stated that pascal does indeed have async. maybe theyre just using it loosely?
>>54458338
to me, the only real reason is freesync.
>>54458338
Not having to play russian roulette with your drivers, for starters.
>>54458356
What's the difference in Freesync and G-Sync?
>>54458113
>Pascal is shit
This is true, but it will still get shilled everywhere. It's funny how those youtube reviewers even bragged about being pampered by Nvidia, and of course they will end up giving positive reviews of this garbage that isn't even worth the price it's being sold at. This is psychology 101.
>>54458007
>>54458076
>>54458130
>>54458222
>>54458293
>>54458318
/fit/ here
Sodium kills gainz, brah.
You're not gonna make it.
>>54457362
fuuuuuug
>>54458270
In short: Nvidia's stuck in the past with the thing they're really good at, serial processing, AMD's trying to get the industry to adopt async as a standard, because their cards are good at it, and it's a objectively better technique
>>54458374
What do you mean?
>>54458346
>maybe theyre just using it loosely?
They probably haven't gotten the drivers together yet. Its still early days for Pascal, and Nvidia were probably caught off-guard when DX12 was announced to have been stemmed from Mantle. I doubt Nvidia engineers look closely at AMD's stuff, until maybe now.
>>54458338
It's cheaper and basically does the same shit. Your powerbill suffers maybe an extra $20 a year?
>>54458333
Pascal and Maxwell both have Hardware level Warp Shaders, but Nvidia just hasn't figured out how to pipe them to the DX12 API.
And in all honesty. Ashes of the Singularity is a really shit example of Async. Stardock obviously tailored it to GCN. Not because they were paid or because they're shills, but because GCN was the only thing at the time that had Async worth a damn. Chicken and the Egg, or some similar story.
>>54458386
About $100. They do the exact same thing(although in a slightly different manner), only Nvidia's version is proprietary and requires the screen manufacturer to hand over a bunch of cash for the g-sync brick which naturally gets added to the consumer prices with interest.
>>54458386
theyre just two companys approaches at tackling the same problem. gsync seems to be a little bit better, but freesync is seeing adoption by monitor companies (since the monitor has to support it for it to work) at a much faster rate for various reasons. this adoption speed is why freesync is better, to me at least
I used to own sli of pretty much all top cards but I just sold my top of the line gaming PC a few months ago and bought an XPS 15.
So much stagnation in gaming. Nothing out there worth owning the newest shit for. No killer VR games. Nothing.
Tell me I'm wrong.
>>54458418
>Pascal and Maxwell both have Hardware level Warp Shaders, but Nvidia just hasn't figured out how to pipe them to the DX12 API.
How long has it been since DX12 was out? If they had any way of implementing async, they would have done so by now
They have nothing
>>54458418
Doom vulcan seems to be running pretty good on 1080.
seems because we don't have AMD as comparison
>>54458432
>not running Undertale at 100000000fps
>>54458432
You can thank the worst consoles in history for that, which got outperformed by mid-high range cards before even getting released
>>54458418
>basically does the same shit
Lolwut. NVidia kicks the shit out of IED in every possible benchmark.
>>54458491
Sure buddy, you can make it real in your mind
>>54458476
dont worry the PS4 neo will stagnate for 3+ years !
>>54458491
Oh yeah? Kicks the shit out of a card that isn't even out yet and no-one knows anything about.
>>54458500
Titan X vs Fury X. Who wins cunt? It's gonna be the same this time. 1080 will ass rape your heating bricks.
>>54458517
relax buddy
>>54458514
Get mad, cuck. NVidia is winning nowadays with sheer power. Stay loyal to your noisy heater. I'm going to the winning team.
>>54458532
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!1!!!!111
>>54458517
Enjoy your $350 idiot tax, Nvidiot.
>>54458418
>They probably haven't gotten the drivers together yet.
They will have nothing to answer for DX12, until the next arch.
But until then, they'll try to gimp async as hard as possible
>>54458491
>>54458517
>>54458538
Not sure if troll or literally 12.
Either way, don't feed the little bastard
>>54458550
Enjoy your house burning down, poorfag
>>54458538
Thats fine. You're the one that came in to the thread swinging bags full of shit opinions.
Did you even read my recommendations up in the OP? Or did you just enter the thread ready to be offended in the current year? Perhaps you are better suited to reddit, where sjw's would actually be empathetic to 'muh teenage feelings.'
Nvidia first to HBM2
First to GDDR5X
First to DisplayPort 1.4
First to HDMI 2.0b
First to FINFET
First to HEVC Main10 hardware decoding in 2015
First to VP9 hardware decoding in 2015
>>54457308
>>54457487
>>54457317
what about
>muh quantum dots
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/quantum-dots-explained-what-they-are-and-why-they-re-awesome
>>54458567
*sniff*
Those IED goyims were saying mean things..
*sniff*
>>54458538
I bet youre the same guy whos pretending to own 390 and keeps reposting same screenshot every thread. I seriously hope youre getting paid for it otherwise thats fucked up.
>>54458576
>still can't async compute
>>54458603
I'm on NVidia's side, faggot
>>54458576
Last to Async
>>54458620
Go home, Linus
>>54458607
I'm guessing Async helps SLI more. Is it like hyperthreading for CPUs?
>>54458626
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213519-asynchronous-shading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far
>>54458624
How dare you insult the green happy merchant?
>>54458620
Guess all nvidiots act the same. The guy im talking about pretends to own 390 and says its shit and that he wants AMD to die.
>>54458626
Watch the video, lad.
>>54458325
Wew lads. All the shitposts....
Help me out here. I'm stuck with a decade old PC.
E5300
GT 730
3(2+1)GB DDR2 @600MHz
75GB slow as fuck HDD
Knockoff PSU and Mobo
I was hoping to build a 4790K/980ti rig for my new 1440p IPS. Then NVidia came out with 1080 and 1070, both cheaper and faster. I'm looking at the 1070.
Should I get that? Wait for Red Team? Never used AMD before. Also as you can see, I need to upgrade ASAP.
>>54458673
>I need to upgrade ASAP.
Cant you wait 1 month? Id say wait for AMD card to see what each team can offer and then pick the best bang for the buck.
>>54458325
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dUhep0rBs
Lol nvidia is fucking ruined they said this would take years to make it into their gpu's
Why does every thread with AMD/Nvidia topic always fall like this ? I don't get it.
>>54458620
You're a fucking imbecile.
>>54458689
I'm waiting for the 1070 anyway, comes out June 10th I think.
Who's got better hardware this round? AMD or NVidia? Can someone tell me the new features of each?
>>54458673
Buy everything except the GPU and use your iGPU for the next four weeks until the new cards from AMD are available, then buy the 490X.
>>54458754
Solid advice.
Theres something fishy about the GTX 1080. Memory bandwidth is only 320gb/s, even with GDDR5X, but that is lower bandwidth than the 980ti.
>>54458754
BTW, what about DDR4? I need 16Gigs, various applications. Will a DDR3@3200 stay relevant for the next 3-4 years? I'm only upgrading then.
>>54458781
Why buy outdated ram if it costs almost the same?
>>54458800
I've had my eye on the 4790K chip for a looong time. Plus DDR4 is like 300Aus$ more.
>>54458595
still not as good as oled, but sure, it's nice
>>54458607
>>54458621
BUTTMAD AMDPOORFAGS DETECTED
Async is not relevant, 5% increase for a lot of work, even the Hitman dev says it's not worth it in the GDC 2016 slide
Predict the 1060 perfomance.
I think its either going to be the perfomance of an non-OC'd 1080 or an ungimped 970
>>54458741
>Tripfag Removal
Hahaaa aww.
>>54458711
Its called the fucboi effect. Its observable everywhere in the universe.
>>54458828
benchmarks speak for themselves
>>54458834
There was this shitposting tripfag with "<3 Sol Invictus <3" or something.
>>54458828
i own a fucking 770 lol i was a nvidia fanboy till the 980 got its ass kicked in dx12
>>54458828
>Async is not relevant, 5% increase for a lot of work
That's why the R9 290 matches a fucking 980TI in performance under Directx 12 with async compute enabled.
>>54458846
Oh yes. We know him well.
And Fucking KiwiKent
>>54458828
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223567-amd-clobbers-nvidia-in-updated-ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-benchmark
5% =! 20%
>>54458848
But DX12 is dead in the water. Everyone is embracing Vulkan instead.
>>54458860
Thats what nvidia gets for using tech from 2007 instead of 2011
>>54458809
>Plus DDR4 is like 300Aus$ more.
What the fuck man. I think you're mistaken.
>>54458864
everyone meaning game developers?
>>54458864
>But DX12 is dead in the water.
/g/ is fucking retarded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_12_support
Meanwhile on Vulkan
>3 games
WEW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API)#Software_Compatibility
>>54458872
Compare Z97 and X99 boards. Plus us Aussies always get the short end. A 980 is 1000AUD here.
>>54458741
>Who's got better hardware this round? AMD or NVidia?
Wait until the cards come out and are benchmarked properly. Anyone who says anything definite before that is either an idiot who fell for the marketing hype or a shill. Having said that, Pascal doesn't seem too impressive so far - even if 1080 does perform 25% better than 980ti, it's clocked almost 50% higher and has 10% fewer CUDA cores.
>>54458884
you need a z170 board for the 6700k which is the sucessor of the 4790. not sure what else you mean.
>>54458884
Ugh i just noticed that 4790k does not support DDR4.
>>54458889
this is just how the tech word works in this kind of department. hype and words dont mean anything. you wait for benchmarks, similarly to how you wait for headphones to be measured before buying them.
>>54458884
Just use http://www.logicalincrements.com/ or you might fuck something up, friend.
>>54458884
That's because x99 is for the haswell-e. Compare z170 and z97 instead. Not that skylake is very impressive, but there isn't really any reason to get haswell any more unless it costs significantly less.
I heard that clock for clock the 980ti and the 1080 are basically the same?
is this true? does anyone have numbers from some of the ln2 OC'ing they've done on 980ti to compare?
if we could get close in numbers, and then factor in the difference in cores, we could what kind of improvements we're really seeing
Is the GTX 1070's power draw actually 150w?
>>54458830
970 rebrand
So fucking excited for Polaris
>>54458922
No. Its almost always its power target with Nvidia. If you're playing a demanding game, it will almost certainly push to 200W+
Not to say power scaling is bad. But Nvidia's advertising in that department has always been misleading to some degree.
>>54458940
What's the difference between how AMD and Nvidia calculate TDP again?
>>54458954
Nvidia is target TDP.
AMD is average maximum draw.
AMD can't really have misleading power targets on their cards anymore, because of all the reddit housefire memes.
>>54458954
AMD specifies maximum power draw.
Nvidia memes you and came up with some bullshit that is their imagined powerdraw for their card, probably during "normal" gaymen.
>>54458968
its really too bad that housefires have switched to amd. i miss the 480 days.
>>54458973
read my pastebin for giggles.
>>54457629
I use the 55" version with my PC, it's fucking nuts, although I'm a bit disappointed it doesn't have HDMI 2.0a for HDR, I can only get HDR through streaming or USB (thank fuck for piracy!). The newer models have it though.
>>54458410
I assume he's referring to a recent driver issue that destroyed some cards. Can't remember the details (I think it was something to do with The Division) but it sucked for the few who it happened to. Yeah it's a one-off and didn't affect many but here in memeland shit like this is a big deal.
>>54459031
>one off
You're new here, aren't you? Nvidia has released card-killing drivers multiple times. And that's just in the past few years.
>>54458899
>>54458914
I don't like the 6700K. I think Intel took a step back. 4790K beats it in single core performance i.e. gaming.
>>54458904
Yeah, dude.
>>54459041
Not new, just not regular. Have they always been day one updates?
>>54459099
XEON E5 V4 OR GO HOME!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>54458429
>$100
try $300 in the case of ASUS's PG279Q vs MG279Q
$800 vs $500
27" AH-IPS 144 Hz @ 2560x1440
/g/, has anyone ever had any success with the eGpu?
I have a perfectly fine laptop, and don't want to switch just for a better graphics card.
>>54459141
so whats some good gsync monitors right now anyway? something thats not going to kill the bank?
i dont need 4k or anything nice, id just like it to be 120hz, and panel tech doesnt really matter either
Will the 1070 be a meme like the 970? I dont want to fall for that meme again
>>54459176
Hey, 970 is the best selling card right now. Something must be right with it.
>>54459159
same guy
seems like this is my only real option http://amzn.com/B01C05C1OK
>>54459195
It's marketing strategy
>>54459150
might want to ask the /tpg/, I know some anons over there have gotten them working with their thinkpads
pascal looks like a maxwell dieshrink rebrand - aka total disaster!
I am definitely a #AMDmissile now.
Waiting on HBM2
>>54459213
>AMDmissile
Is "something"missile the new "something"gate. I hate Ted Cruz, BTW. So fuck off.
>>54457940
>>54458007
It's funny so 4/10 for effort.
>gtx1080
>memory bandwidth is only 320gb/s
Looks like 4k60 isn't happening this year.
>Prediction for GTX980 Ti vs GTX1080
Release prices for GTX 285: ~380
Release prices for GTX 460: ~230
Where did we go wrong, /g/?
>>54459252
But goyim, how shall we get the shekels. Plus the new hardwares are more expensive to make......
>>54459195
>Hey, 970 is the best selling card right now
Because it's a meme.
>>54457255
Star Wars: Battlefront, Doom, Unreal Tournament
>>54457255
Witcher 3
>>54458398
someone explain that shitty graph because it makes no sense in it's current form
someone teach people how to make graphs pls
>>54457255
Paragon
>>54459213
Too bad the hbm2 yields are abysmally low.
We'll be lucky if we get it in q1 next year.
>>54459358
not him
apparently I'm too stupid for google
where do I find actual useful HBM/HBM2 vs. GDDR5/GDDR5x benchmarks?
>>54459382
You can't really. There isn't a single card that has a GDDR5 and HBM variant.
Just read up on the key features to HBM. Apart from bus complexity, there is no downside.
Holy shit why do people care about >muh dx12 so much?
By the point that the majority of AAA games use it, Vega is already going to be released.
I just wish there was a way to standardize GPU's+drivers and make it easier for devs to optimize their software.
the things you could do with the current tech if we'd use it to its full potential...
>>54459399
because theyre retarded and think they can futureproof
>>54459399
buy 1080
enjoy
wait for next gen card
sell/gift/burn 1080
buy next gen card
etc.
>>54458968
But nvidia causes fires and AMD has no drivers is the meme I remember, why does nvidia still use the misleading figure.
I only bought nvidia because power benchmarks make it look like their stuff was a lot more power efficient than AMD.
>>54457255
Pretty much this. The only reason I'm considering upgrading at all is to run Bannerlord maxed out, and to play unoptimized garbage like Fallout 4 a few years from now when mods finally make it good. I was hoping VR would motivate me but all the games are shit.
Otherwise I could just stick to my laptop for the next 5 years and not miss out on anything worthwhile.
I've always been behind with tech, and yesterday I built a fresh one
>i5-6600k
>2x8gb ddr4
I thought I wouldn't be able to play anything with just the but holy fuck the gpu that came with the 6600k got me this on 1080p
>dota2 all on max, 40fps
>tw2 high, 30fps
>ds1/2 max, 50fps
I can't wait for the 1070, I really want to play tw3 on 2k.
>>54459535
amd causes fires and no drivers for a long time now, especially their Crimson driver.
The only thing that AMD got going for them is Async compute, and the 980TI despite "lacking" the hardware is still on par with AMD.
AMD only released shit after Tahiti(which was very good at that time)
>>54459672
You can run all these games maxed at 1080p with a 100€ card.
but ok, whatever
i am planing on changing my 750 ti this time around. what do you think of 1070 now? i know benchmarks arent around yet but for first impressions what are you thoughts? i am also curious if it would bottleneck my i5 6500 as well
>>54459721
yes.
Like last generation, the 1080 is an atrocious buy at $600. The 1070 however is where it's at. They're saying it's faster than a Titan X, so it's beating out every single GPU out there for $380, a pretty solid deal if you ask me. If anything this card should sell even more than the 970, something that feels a little troubling.
Going by AMD rumors, Polaris 10 should be $300 and match the 980Ti. If this is true, then it's an even more amazing buy. I don't think the 1070 will be that much faster than a 980Ti, maybe somewhere around the lines of a 10% increase. 10% performance for $80 more looks nice, but some if not most prefer to save as much as possible, something a $300 price point could deliver(>mfw a 670 was $400 four years ago). There's also the thing about Pascal still not supporting async compute which is still troubling. I personally think the AMD rumors are bullshit, but we'll have to wait and see.
>>54459212
Thanks a lot.
>>54459735
yes to what?
What are the trend for prices of the second best cards? 1 or 2 years from now will the 1070 be anywhere near $270?
http://videocardz.com/59725/nvidia-gtx-1080-polaris-10-11-directx12-benchmarks
AMD polaris 10 leak
>>54459793
>unironically pajeet running benchs
>>54459252
god i had a 460 it was a turd.
i do remember paying $550 for a 7900GT so as for as long as i can remember top of the line gpu's have been expensive.
The GTX 295 was $499 though
>>54459754
>Polaris 10 should be $300 and match the 980Ti
I'll eat my shoe. Cap this
>>54459826
>polaris matching 980ti
never gonna happen
I have a slight problem.
My psus only pcie power cables are the kind that split into 2 6+2 pin connectors. I need 2 6 pins to power my gpu. Is it safe to use both connectors on the same cable or should i use one connector and two cables?
>>54458626
>I'm guessing Async helps SLI more. Is it like hyperthreading for CPUs?
it's exactly hyperthreading: the GPU can interleave compute shader instructions on the ALU array while the primary graphics shader is waiting on RAM or fixed function units like TMUs, ROPs, tessellators, etc.
This has almost no direct bearing on SLI/CF, which is a much higher level coordination handled in the driver or render engine in the case of Vulkan/DX12 explicit multi-GPU.
>>54460199
you want to use both connectors on the same cable
>>54457362
tfw didn't fall for the nvidia meme
feels good man
>>54459249
>>gtx1080
>>memory bandwidth is only 320gb/s
>Looks like 4k60 isn't happening this year.
no shit.
Does anyone know what size the gtx 1070 is going to be or will I have to wait for the cards to actually come out?
I'm thinking of buying a corsair 200R case but I want to make sure that it has enough space for a 1070.
>>54460627
All guesses till its out. Sorry.
>>54460627
1080 is 26,7cm long
1070 should fit easily
>>54460664
>1080 is 26.7 cm long
Thanks, is there a source for this or is it just speculation right now?
Every article I looked at had a lot of information on the cards except for physical size.
Dude when's Polaris I'm too hyped
>>54460864
Polaris is not going to be high end cards.
>>54460989
Who cares about high end cards? There are no good new games
>>54461033
No man's sky is coming out, although it doesn't look very graphically demanding.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dishonored 2
Mirror's Edge 2
Mount and Blade Bannerlord sometime next year hopefully.
>>54461057
5 games? You want me to shill out $500 to play 5 games?
Still good right?
'Futureproof'?
>>54461097
There are older games that you would be able to run maxed out at 1440p or 4K as well.
Idk, it kind of depends on your financial situation. Computer parts is basically my only hobby that costs money so I can afford to splurge on it.
>>54460678
Zotac 1080 news had that invormation
I personally know it from here(german)
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition/
quote:"Die Dual-Slot-Grafikkarte besitzt eine Länge von 26,7 Zentimetern"
>>54461128
Thanks anon
>>54460864
Me too man. There are rumors that they will announce cards in a week.
>>54461113
kill yourself you piece of shit
>>54459658
VR will be really cool for games like forza or star citizen/elite dangerous. Things where you are in something and looking around outside. Thats all I see it being good for for a really long time. (besides the porn obviously)
>>54461202
I think it would be nice for non competitive fps games as well.
Story/campaign driven games like portal, half life, fallout, etc would probably be fun with vr.
>>54461202
porn is all it needs.
> AMD will be hosting a special press conference at the end of this month. The press conference will be held in Macau “Las Vegas of Asia” and AMD will invite several editors from around the globe to cover the event.
HYPE!
>>54457362
>tfw have 290x
>tfw waiting for vega
literally the first card that can play witcher 3 at 4k 60fps will have my money
>>54459754
I hope Polaris is at least Nano performance.
>>54462142
The biggest Polaris chip is rumored to match or even exceed Fury X performance.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I need a GPU with Freesync that lets me play modern titles at 1440p and 144 Hz, so I'm hoping the new Polaris cards will deliver.
>>54462142
don't hold your breath.
Polaris and 480/490 series will both be bandwidth-choked mid-tier cards so as not to step on the toes of Vega/GP100(2?) early next year.
The most retarded thing is that Nvidia expects people to pay $700 for a 1080 "Founders" (= reference) edition with less bandwidth than a 980Ti.
>>54462477
>Polaris and
meant Pascal (1080/1070)
>>54458418
>it's cheaper
Lol no. Nvidia is cheaper here.
>>54462670
>Lol no. Nvidia is cheaper here.
What do you mean exactly by 'here'?
>>54461707
Turn AA down and a monster clocked 290x can get close to a 60fps average (especially if you have the cpu to keep it fed).
>>54461515
ok definetly waiting for Polaris now
>mfw the aud will tank before polaris is out
fuck
u
c
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>>54458633
I personally know the person who made the posts. He actually has a full amd build and he's had some bad problems with his video card. He received 2 faulty cards in a row and the 3rd is still kinda faulty because he keeps getting black screens in games when using multi monitor. What makes it worse is that because he returned the original 390 because it was faulty, he can no longer redeem hitman because amd support think he's returned the card and they keep saying he has no proof of owning the 390 even though he's sent them many pictures of it.
2bh his whole shit experience with amd have put me off ever buying their products.
>>54462811
>I personally know the person who made the posts
Yeah. And i have a "friend" who owns a 970 and says it sucks compared to 390.
>>54460300
So it looks like the 1080 is only for 1080p gaming? :^)
>>54462743
Europe. I can buy a 970 for $40-$50 cheaper than a 390 right now.
>>54462811
>they keep saying he has no proof of owning the 390 even though he's sent them many pictures of it.
>pictures of a card
>proof of ownership
Is he retarded by any chance? Just because you take pictures of something doesn't mean you own it.
>>54462895
So that's what you mean.
Also Europe. I can't. They're the same price.
>>54462911
Pic related is me. I mean its a picture so its veracity should not be in question.
>>54462850
Believe what you want but amd have fucked him over too many times. He has a legitimate right to be pissed. I'll ask him to post more proof when he gets back just to shut all you conspiracy theorists up. Amd hardware have big problems for some people and you need to face to facts and not defend then like they're your child.
>>54462895
That's funny, because I too live in Europe and at the moment 970 and 390 are the exact same price.
>>54462911
The serial code of the card he own right now is different compared to the one in his original card. Amd obviously contacted the vendor to see which card was attached to that hitman code. Now because he's trying to redeem his hitman voucher with pictures of a 390 with a different serial number they obviously think he's getting the pics off the internet or something and they don't have to give him the game if they believe he didn't buy the card himself. They must think he bought the code off eBay or something. They've obviously been cracking down on people buying vouchers off eBay.
>>54462811
>He received 2 faulty cards in a row and the 3rd is still kinda faulty
Might have something to do with the guy and not videocards.
>>54462924
>>54462950
http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/Comppv5ymk3pw0/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00ZCBDT96?ascsubtag=mobileuknew%2C2137%2CSEM%2C37%2Cgoogle%3Ba1470509afd7370cb17772fa52bd4a42&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B00ZCBDT96&fp=1&linkCode=df0&pc_redir=T1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=pr-electronics-21
You can even confirm the prices on pricerunnerDOTcoDOTuk
>>54462884
>the 1080 is only for 1080p gaming?
who the fuck even knows?
it's a $700 ($600 for non-reference, we swear guys (tm)) card with less bandwidth than the 980 Ti that now actually sells in the $600-$650 range.
and the 1070 ($450/"$380") will have 20% less bandwidth, which is likely to leave it even more unbalanced.
I hope that Polaris strongly undercuts the 1080/1070 if only so that Vega and GP100/GP102/whatever cards aren't selling for $1500 next spring.
>>54463004
No shit, sherlock. If he actually owned it, he'd be sending pictures of documents like the recipe he got from buying it in the first place, the delivery documents from when he got the new card and so on. Either you're just making shit up or your "friend" is genuinely retarded and likely as not caused his problems in the first place.
>>54463004
Why didn't you redeemed it before you returned the card?
>>54463071
>recipe
>>54463094
I don't think his friend is very smart.
>>54463071
He did though. I originally took the code off him because he didn't want it and he gave me all the invoice shit that they needed but then he wanted it back. I know he sent them the purchase invoice because he sent it to me also. It's based on that purchase invoice how they managed to find the serial code of his first card. He didn't get purchase invoices for his new cards.
>>54462445
>The biggest Polaris chip is rumored to match or even exceed Fury X performance.
iirc it was tested to be 390x but with less memory bandwidth.
However it is also rumoured to use 100W only and 2-300$.
Polaris 11 was demoed to use 80W at FULL SYSTEM LOAD.
>>54463071
Where did you buy the card?
>>54463150
>iirc it was tested to be 390x but with less memory bandwidth.
Fuck me, they shouldn't do that. I mean, it's impressive that they can deliver a chip that's way more efficient with the same performance as a high end card, but $300 isn't cutting it.
How cheap do you think a R9 380 4GB will fall to in the US as the new stuff rolls out? I've owned one for a year and I'd like a little boost in performance but I might come out ahead if I just xfire another 380 rather than fork over money for whatever Polaris 10 is going for.
Then I think to myself >current year >28 nm and I realize this is probably a retarded idea.
>>54462747
motherfucker, I get shitloads of artifacts at anything higher than 1150. Even then I have to add +100mv and I start to smell something funny from my computer so I leave it currently at +75mv and an 1135. That gets me 60fps at 1440p. This is on air cooling though; arctic accellero extreme III. Going to throw in the towel for the rest of my machine though and upgrade to a skylake machine, keeping the gpu. going to sell my tower with an old 7950 in it, hoping to get $500 for it. That will cover like 80% of my new upgrade
going from an 8350 to an i5-6600k should give me like a 10% gpu boost with the 290x, right?
>>54463050
It's cool. It's not that I don't believe you, it's just sometimes different for every country in Europe.
>>54463052
if polaris 10 gets 90% of 1070 performance at $299, I'll buy it
>>54463071
>the recipe he got from buying it in the first place
what resellers do this? been looking for new recipes since I got my own place
>>54463508
You should see the voltage required to hit that - i'm pumping nearly +200mv (trixx yo) through the card.
I tend to run 1200/1375 these days just to keep temps sane under full load.
>>54463150
Wasn't that the smaller Polaris chip?
Even AMD can't be so retarded as to sell new GPUs which are all a lot slower than their current lineup. Even if they use less power, nobody's going to buy them if they can get a 390X with the same performance for half the price.
>>54463508
>>54463565
Bonus pic: a run I did that only just managed to complete (and insatantly crashed right after). I actually had this stable in witcher 3 for a while but the card slammed into the power limit wall and started downclocking before crashing.
Note the obscene voltage.
how much will the new 1070 and 1080 cost?
should i just buy a used 980ti instead?
im upgrading from a 6950
>>54463616
You shouldnt really buy older cards with nvidia because of the gimping.
I got :
I56600
16gb radeon ddr4
Intel ssd 240gb
Radeon R9 390x
And i was frustated that i can run witcher 3 on full only to get 40-50fps.
GTA5 only 30-40 fps maxed
And stuningly Assassins Creed Syndicate only 15-20 fps maxed out...
New games are eating up at maximum.
Long time ago like 10 years i got amd 3000+ and 2gb ddr1 with radeon x800xt and the pc was eating every game that i instaled for 3 years...
Now you buy a very good pc and you get 30 fps...
Today you need like sli /crosfire setup to max out games and spend 4000$ and thats not cool haha.
Wonder what can one gtx 1080 do... would be 5fps difference or a big difference.
(Sry for bad english)
>>54463565
>>54463608
jesus fuck. whats your power supply? and how are your temps?
as of now I keep it around 70c during 100% load but when I have to go to +100mv it gets around 77 which, even though I know is healthy for the card, makes me uncomfortable
>>54457158
The 1080's going to bottleneck with a 4670K isn't it?
>>54463652
hey dude, it's called turning down settings
I can get 1440p witcher 3 60fps on my overclocked 290x just by turning shadows to high, SSAO, and foliage distance to medium
>>54463652
What resolution?
>>54463653
With the fans full blast (which ain't quiet) I tenmd to sit around the high 70's core and around 80c on vrm 1 (aka the hot one) in DX11 titles (even at 3200x1800 using VSR)
I tested said overclock in ashes of the singularity and the results were not pretty - core shot all the way to 86c and vrm1 soared to 110c.
Heed my words: ashes is a GCN killer.
>>54463652
Something is fucked up in your system. Go check some online reviews and compare the performance.
>>54463715
1920x1080
>>54463653
>>54463741
Oh I forgot to say power supply. Its a superflower 750w leadex gold.
Its worth pointing out said monster 290x is paired with an 8320e running at 4.7ghz (and sucking down 1.428v).
>>54463741
fugg
but seriously, the only GPU dependent games I care about are Witcher and in the future Cyberpunk 2077. Maybe I'll wait for a card release closer to then since I already get away with Witcher pretty good
>>54457158
>1080 is now performance crown
>not even out yet
FUCK OFF RETARD
>>54463785
jesus, the best way to describe your PC is exactly the same as mine except getting away with all the shit I wish I could do lmao; i cheaped out on the cpu cooler and can barely maintain 4.2ghz
like I said, upgrading to skylake i5 will probably rock my world
>mfw after a fucking DECADE I'll be able to play Oblivion and Crysis at 60fps
>>54463753
Hat could be wrong? Its fresh pc all new.
>>54462942
>conspiracy theorists
No, it just sounds fishy when someone is insistent that others take their personal experience as some sort of benchmark for reality. That's what Tumblr feminists do.
You're being a Tumblr feminist.
Stop it.
>>54463830
you might have fucked up somewhere
whats your power supply? plug it into another outlet; it might not be getting enough power
>>54463829
You don't even want to know what it took to squeeze 4.7ghz from that cpu. In fact its so balls to the wall for my cooling on hot days (like this last week has been) my system has started crashing until I ramped the fans up in the BIOS to actually control temps.
>>54463826
Since the 980Ti is currently the best performing card on the market, the 1080 is the 980Ti's successor as flagship, and AMD isn't releasing its high-end cards until the end of the year, at the earliest, it's a very safe bet that the 1080 will outperform everything on the market.
Of course, AMD is likely to offer like 60% of the performance for 40% of the price.
>>54463906
>1080 will outperform everything on the market
I will believe this when I see it.
>>54463857
Not enoght power? Hm... i dont know about that... its the only thing in my room connected.
On 1920×1080 everything on ultra and with SSAO and hairworks AA 8x... i get max 45fps lowest 35fps...
>>54463671
not at all wtf
you know nothing about computers
>>54463906
You should see how close a 290x got to the original titan for half the cost. I would expect polaris to be a lot closer than you are anticipating.
>>54463931
turn off hairworks
I think your problem might just be illiteracy with game settings.
for witcher use the high presets and turn off hairworks
for gta V use high, not very high settings, 2xmsaa, reflection msaa off, AO to normal, tessellation to normal or off, softer shadows, and no extra high settings
just dump ass creed; all ubisoft games a garbage, especially so on PC
>>54463931
And the GPU temp is 74°c
>>54463931
>8x AA
Stop being retarded and lower that.
You should NEVER run 8xmsaa for anything.
>>54463988
I see.. i will try but i was stuned that i spend on my pc fine deal of money and dont get to max hahahha
>>54464013
>max
useless retarded idea of how games should perform. most "max" settings dont really give great visual boost and just cripple performance. GTA V is one of the few games where this isnt really the case, only the game on high still looks stunning; especially at 60fps
>>54464013
There is max adequate options and max inadequate options.
>>54464053
I didnt play games for 10 years and i bought finaly my self a new pc... haha now i get that you cant max out every game like that was a thing in 2000 ;-)
>>54464197
>whaddya mean a 980ti can't max witcher 2 at 1080p!
>has ubersampling turned on
Lrn 2 settings.
i overclocked my 970 today, these are the settings i got it stable at. is this good? ive never overclocked a GPU before.
>>54464383
Par for the course.
>>54463927
>>54463942
Look, even AMD said that they have no intention of competing with Nvidia at the high end until Vega launches. We have NO IDEA what Vega is going to look like. Speculating on that chip right now is pointless.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure Nvidia's high-end is going to outperform AMD's midrange.
>>54464197
yeah pretty much. tinker around and you'll see that your system is pretty good
If I'm not using Windows 10, why should I buy AMD ? I always read about async, but it's DX12-only, isn't it ?
>>54464558
Vulkan supports the feature (and better too - less fences).
>>54464452
No they didn't.
They said Polaris 10 was mainstream, and Vega 10 was the enthusiast chip.
Nvidia has an enthusiast chip down the pipe as well, GP100; GTX 1080 is GP104, ie their mainstream.
Honestly I don't get why this is hard to comprehend. GP104 is 343mm2, GM204 is 398mm2, GK104 is 294mm2, GF104 is 332mm2, G92 is 324mm2
Each has an enthusiast chip above with a big die size, GP100, GM200, GK110, GF100, GT200
The only time the big chip launched first was GF100
>>54458968
>>54458973
>>54459535
got myself r 390 some time ago and can confrim
when doing some more gpu-hard gaymen it's like sitting by electric heater
nice in the winter, sucks in the summer
>>54463999
>this is what Nvidia users believe
Not my fault Nvidia hasn't improved their AA performance since 2005
>>54465502
You still shouldn't use 8xmsaa if you run an AMD card - the higher the resolution you are running the bigger the performance hit. 8 times sampling is just retarded - 2x or 4x is more than enough.
At least ssaa is the "best" form of AA going, so you can somewhat justify the enormous performance hit.
>>54465502
>msaa
who even uses more than 2x msaa, if at all. that shits a killer on any gpu especially with current games being already very demanding without any aa.
>>54465561
>>54465585
>can use 4x on AMD with the same impact as 2x on Nvidia
>can use 8x with the same impact as 4x
>d-dont use them!!!
>>54465663
>he will run his game with 8x msaa at 10 fps just to get a one up over a competing hardware fanbase
dat brand loyalty tho
>>54465663
GCN is not twice as fast at msaa as kepler/maxwell/whatever the fuck. Plus msaa doesn't actually cover everything.
Really either take mini blur filter of fxaa (oh lawdy txaa) or go old school and downsample it.
>>54457304
look up at what clocks is your Gpu running with hwmonitor or gpu-z.
sounds like Gpu might be stuck at 2d clocks, in which case you could force 3d clocks with afterburner when needed.
I was thinking about upgrading my graphics card to a GTX 970, seeing as I currently have a HD 7850. The only thing is, the GTX 970 is like £250 and i'm honestly not sure if my issue is the HD 7850 or not. I occasionally get some stutter, but when I restart the computer or game it often fixes itself up. For example, some days DaS3 begins stuttering every hour, and other days I can play it 8 hours straight without a single issue.
I've just ordered more RAM (from 8gb to 16gb) because I like to play borderless windowed while browsing the net/watching videos at the same time, and currently my system runs out of memory on DaS3 if I try doing that.
How much does a CPU limit performance? My reasons for asking is that I sometimes get stutter in newer games (specifically, MGSV and Dark Souls 3), but like I said, 99% of the time my graphics card handles them well. I'm currently using an i5 3570K.
>>54465723
>GCN is not twice as fast at MSAA
ok fampai
And remember, this is a Nvidia branded game
