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Convince me that anyone other than pedophiles, terrorists, and other criminals need privacy in 2016.
I don't buy Snowden's argument that it's like free speech. That's retarded. You can't participate in democracy without free speech, so you're always going to need it.
You don't need privacy. Privacy was a temporary luxury that existed from like 1900 to 2000 between the time of urbanization and the creation of the internet. Before 1900, everyone lived in small towns where there was no privacy. After 2000, the government spied on everyone so there was no privacy. If you don't break any laws, you have absolutely nothing to fear from this arrangement. Lots of you argue that if they bring up your porn history or something they can blackmail you, but no one is going to give a fuck what kind of legal porn you watch because it's 2016. If you are a law abiding citizen, you don't need privacy, especially not from your government. Privacy enables criminals to do their crimes in secret. Why do you think that 99% of the people who use Tor are criminals? Is their privacy more important than public safety?
theres no point in arguing this because privacy isn't going anywhere. it's just becoming harder to obtain for the plebs.
>>54286931
IT'S OVER
AMD IS BANKRUPT AND FINISHED
Not understanding that they store your details.
Which means if 10 years down the road they want to make a list of potential threats, theyll black list you because you once shitposted "Hitler did nothing wrong" on 4chan.
>>54286931
Hi there, shill. Did you get paid yet this week?
I'll just debunk this here while I'm near the top;(you can ignore this, OP)
One must be really innocent to think the the governments and the establishment are some kind of god-send holy angels who's only purpose is to push the human civilization forward into prosperity. Just look around, look at the news, entertainment, the media and think twice. It's obvious that their purpose is not at all so holy.
Psychology plays an extremely huge part in ruling a country or for them, countries. They cannot control anyone anymore with brute force, so they go for psychology now, to exploit the human mind and how to manipulate it.
And here comes in the picture one's privacy. They are constantly gathering data of what are you looking at, what do you like, what are you attracted to, what would you sacrifice to gain something, etc. in short they are gathering data of human personalities and preferences.
At this point we can easily say that this data is much more valuable for them, than a man doing criminal activity online.
Just look around. They already managed to manipulate the majority of the population in several states in the US or countries in Europe. How? They exploited the fact that humans are prone to follow their feelings and not their instincts anymore. Just show someone in misery and they will jump at their help without a doubt, not putting a second thought or even questioning if it's even real or a scam.
So, privacy is an extremely valuable thing. The less they know about you, the lesser the chance that they will be able to manipulate your decisions.
Always question a "generous" or "kind" agenda.
>>54286997
HOWNIX FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>implying there's any need for me to convince you why I/you need privacy
I want my privacy and I will continue to secure it in any and all ways possible and you can continue being a pleb-tier normie that makes stupid threads like this
>>54287154
Shill!? You know what you're looking at? Yeah, that's right. Agnostic atheist with an IQ of 172 on the WAIS-IV scale. I've received numerous invitations to Mensa, all of which I have declined. I was doing calculus when I was 12, and reading at a collegiate level when I was 8. I have a voluminous intellect and a flawless thought-process normally associated with the great thinkers of the past. They're already calling me the next Nikola Tesla. I'm working on a theory right now which is basically Einstein's Theory of Relativity, except expanded -- which would put me in line for a Nobel Prize.
You've allowed your mind to slip into idiocy by spending time on this message board, and I can see it every time I read a post here: the mark of a mind wasted. You were probably gifted at one point, but you spend your entire day looking at dumb pictures of cats. What's worse is how you so confidently hide behind your veil of anonymity. It's because when you are inevitably met with crushing failure or embarrassment in one form or another, you can simply keep on posting and no one will be any the wiser that it was you. This results in you no longer striving for perfection, and instead settling into not a pattern of experimentation, but one of mediocrity.
I hate you, and I have no doubt that if I ever met you in a debate I could smash your intellect beneath mine like a sledgehammer to a grape.
>>54286931
Throughout history and even today for most people in the world, the greatest threat to the common man is his own government.
It's the first thing tyrants have always tried to eliminate through spies and informants, building profiles on people, to protect their regime from any sort of resistance.
The people who created today's prosperous free societies were all criminals and terrorists to the people in charge at the time. They had to communicate and do things in secret to have any hope of changing their situation.
Today these important people could be stomped out before anyone even knew their names. And the ruling party/class whomever that is where you are, now and in more importantly in the future can maintain it's grip indefinitely. The same people who decide what's legal or not.
OP could be rounded up for being a fascist homosexual just decades ago.
>>54287172
>next einstein
>shitposting on /g/ about privacy
>pic related it's you
watch manufacturing consent and repair the mind control propaganda they used to replace your brains with shit.
I think for every day citizens data collection becomes scary when credit bureaus, insurance companies and employers start evaluating people based on internet-ratings.
I think we need to stop focusing on promoting individual freedoms and start promoting legislation that limits selling big data in the first place.
Yes privacy is more important than public safety.
>>54287241
>not recognizing that as pasta
>>54287298
fuck?
>>54287166
Don't you suspect that with their nearly limitless resources they have backdoored your bios or perhaps some binary blob in the kernel.
Hell maybe there is an exploit hiding in plain sight in something open source.
You'd need obscure and open hardware to even begin to convince me a system is secure.
>>54286931
You don't have any privacy for as long as you have at least ONE of these:
>citizenship with passport and registration number
>any visa ever in your life, especially eu/aus/usa visa
>bank account
>you rent or you own apartment of private house
>you have registered any kind of monthly subscription or service: gas, electricity, water, internet, land-line or mobile phone number, tv etc
>you are officially employed and have employee agreement
>you pay taxes
>you have any kind of education and own a several diplomas: school, college, academy, university etc
So stop being a fucktard. To have a real privacy you need to completely isolate yourself from society i.e. live in a fucking wood hunting for boars.
>>54287398
>Don't you suspect that with their nearly limitless resources they have backdoored your bios or perhaps some binary blob in the kernel.
its more likely that china would be backdooring your bios. if you configure and compile your own kernel, you have the choice to exclude binary blobs
>Hell maybe there is an exploit hiding in plain sight in something open source.
you mean "vulnerability" or "backdoor"
>You'd need obscure and open hardware to even begin to convince me a system is secure.
no security through obscurity
fuck off
>>54287398
I suspect lots of things and try do what I can about each of them. In the end I might never be able to achieve complete privacy but I sure as hell won't stop trying.
>>54286931
privacy denier btfo
>land of the free
>2016
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/28/new-study-shows-mass-surveillance-breeds-meekness-fear-and-self-censorship/
>>54287398
Do you lock your doors?
>>54286931
NVIDIOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>54286931
>europeans getting arrested for tweets
>cops abusing their citizens in America
>le government can do no wrong
>>54287443
please, shut the fuck up
>>54286931
You do need privacy, but don't kid yourself. If you're connected to the internet, everything you do is in the public realm. Your privacy is only in your home, if you're not breaking the law.
>>54286931
Fuckoff you nsa nazi loving fuckwit.If i don't won't some creepy motherfucker reading my personal emails to family and friends then that is my fucking choice.
You speak a bit to loudly might i add,you'd wanna watch pulling that shit to often.You might find yourself under extreme scrutiny.
There's many reasons to want privacy, I'll TLDR a few.
My fears:
- Statistical overfitting (anything outside a "norm" will be discouraged because it's not economical to tend to deviants)
- Usage creep ("We have a database of everyone who spoke out in favour of that {commie sanders,fascist trump}, they shouldn't be allowed to have XYZ!")
- Permanency of records (Opinions change, cultures change, but the record is there. You said that girls were icky and had cooties? Well tough luck because now your feminist overlords^Woverladies have access to it and can, with the new privilegde law retroactively arrest you for hate speech to atone.)
- Flimsy bureaucratic privacy shields ("Of course your crazy ex won't find your new address, even if she works at X. Even in that function, you'd only be allowed to query records strictly for official purposes, so you wouln't be allowed to make a query like that, so they won't do it.")
can I recommend you watch this great talk by a private investigator, titled "You've lost your privacy, now they're taking anonimity".
nonfree youtube because it can be inlined, you can find it elsewhere too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNZrq2iK87k
>>54286931
check out this case:
http://sdtimes.com/sd-times-blog-using-dna-for-access-control/
keep your private information m8. Is valuable.
>>54286931
Why in public toilets do you close the door?
do you have something to hide?
>>54287172
Keked so hard while readinh this
>>54286931
Privacy is a constitutional right of all Americans granted to us by our creator.
Get fucked euro peasant.
>>54286931
Install cameras all over your house and stream it.
Who needs privacy anyway?
>>54287172
>>54287298
>hurr durr I was only pretending!!
>>54291821
>constitutional right of all Americans
not even a single legislation about online privacy in the U.S.
>euro peasant
EU has actual online privacy legislations. (Directive 2002/58/EC and a couple others, don't remember atm.)
>>54286931
What's your name, social security number, mothers maiden name? Can you post pictures of the front and back of all your credit/debit cards?
>>54287154
>One must be really innocent to think the the governments and the establishment are some kind of god-send holy angels who's only purpose is to push the human civilization forward into prosperity. Just look around, look at the news, entertainment, the media and think twice. It's obvious that their purpose is not at all so holy.
Governments aren't supposed to be "holy" or anything of the sort, they're supposed to be greedy. We rely on our officials being greedy; financially greedy, socially greedy, power-hungry, etc. We need them to be greedy. Without that desire for approval, they wouldn't adjust to the temperature of the people. Without the desire for money, they wouldn't work to better the business industry. Where we vote is how they balance the two.
Realistically, if your government isn't backing privacy, it's because the people aren't backing privacy. If 70% of the population believed that privacy was a right, you could bet your ass that our government would make it so. Senators would be stumbling over their pubes to try and push privacy bills. As it stands now, people are more concerned with security than they are privacy, and our government views privacy/security as a scale, rather than two separate ideals.
>>54293179
this guy knows what's up.
>>54287172
Underrated post
>>54286931
Will there's a simple test to see how well you really believe this.
Please post your real name, address, work place and contact details right here right now. If you don't then you believe in the importance of anonymity.
So we've fallen to page 7 and still no response. from OP.to my post.
I'll just assume I convinced you. Welcome to /g/
>>54286993
Privacy is dead.
>>54287127
No one will care about that, and real Nazis should be put on watch lists.
>>54287154
There is no evidence that this data is being used to manipulate public opinion.
>>54287240
The government is not a threat, lelbertarian. Half of Americans rely on the government for their basic needs.
>>54287294
>Yes privacy is more important than public safety.
Lol no. 9/11 > your credit rating.
>>54289356
This isn't an argument against surveillance, it's just about it's unintended consequences.
>>54289843
email isn't a secure form of communication.
>>54290284
Anonymity is only useful to criminals and bigots.
>>54290344
SJW garbage.
>>54291821
4th Amendment etc. doesn't cover electronic communication.
>>54292038
That's when it becomes a safety issue, which is different.
>>54292984
>>54294055
Unsafe to give it out on 4chan.
>>54294821
No I just went to bed after posting last night.
>>54286931
Convince me why poor people should have the right to vote. They don't need it. The fact that all people (or the modern understanding of what counts as "all people") are supposed to be considered equal before the law is fairly new.
If they don't contribute anything to society, why should they have the right to decide on something as important as a presidency?
If you are not a bum you have no reason to disagree.
A significant amount of poor people is also criminal or terribly educated, so they are (on average) even detrimental to society as a whole, even moreso in social states where taxes money is wasted on them. If we took away their right to vote all we would do is exclude an uniformed, irrelevant and in parts outright harmful part of society from damaging the fabric of society. In fact, why not revoke more of their rights? Are their rights as human beings worth more than governmental stability and the overall public well being?
>>54286931
Convince me you have nothing to hide.
Post your full name, address, credit card number, phone number & a copy of your pass.
Because if you honestly believe that the government has access to magical technology that evolves so fast that it cannot be exploited or hacked, copied or abused by companies within legal limits than you are not old enough to post here.
>>54286931
>I don't buy Snowden's argument that it's like free speech. That's retarded. You can't participate in democracy without free speech, so you're always going to need it.
Good luck having free speech when anyone in big-brother who doesn't agree with you knows what you're going to say before you say it. Good luck having a democracy when those in power have the means to quell any dissent.
>>54297075
shit like this reminds me of my time in school when we were taught about the state philosophies of John Locke, Kant & Hobbes.
I used to think Locke's views were just retarded.
Seeing people like OP made me realize they were cancerous to their core.
>>54296302
Daily reminder that the West pays people to shitpost and spread FUD about surveillance or any other ideas they don't like.
JTRIG, pls go
>>54296302
>Anonymity is only useful to criminals and bigots.
>Unsafe to give it out on 4chan.
You literally contradicted yourself with in the same breath. If withholding information about yourself is ever justified then you have justification of privacy. It being too dangerous for 4chan is exactly that. Case in point, not everyone that uses anonymity is a pedophile. Or else not giving out that information also makes you one. And that will remain the case until you release it.
first rule of reasoning, always hold them accountable to their own standards.
