Man to remain locked up "until such time that he fully complies" with court order.
>A Philadelphia man suspected of possessing child pornography has been in jail for seven months and counting after being found in contempt of a court order demanding that he decrypt two password-protected hard drives.
>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant, has not been charged with any child porn crimes. Instead, he remains indefinitely imprisoned in Philadelphia's Federal Detention Center for refusing to unlock two drives encrypted with Apple's FileVault software in a case that once again highlights the extent to which the authorities are going to crack encrypted devices. The man is to remain jailed "until such time that he fully complies" with the decryption order.
>The suspect's attorney, Federal Public Defender Keith Donoghue, urged a federal appeals court on Tuesday to release his client immediately, pending the outcome of appeals. "Not only is he presently being held without charges, but he has never in his life been charged with a crime," Donoghue wrote in his brief to the 3rd US Circuit Court of Appeals.
>The authorities have called two witnesses. One was the suspect's sister who claimed she looked at child pornography with her brother at his house. The other was a forensic examiner who testified that it was his "best guess" that child pornography was on the drives," Donoghue wrote. The investigation began in 2015 when Pennsylvania prosecutors were monitoring the online network Freenet and executed a search warrant of the man's home.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/
>>54265593
My thread is better.
>>54265628
No it isn't, OP greentexted and you didn't faggot.
>"it was his "best guess" that child pornography was on the drive"
System is corrupted beyond repair
Clear fifth amendment violation, but I have a hard time being sympathetic for the guy.
The fifth amendment. They're fucking the constitution in the ass.
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
>>54265669
>>54265681
If I remember correctly cops have to follow what orders the police chief gives them, not sure if it applies to court cases. This is a bid case of nothing to hide though.Or he can unlock it but the evidence can't be used against him.
>>54265719
If he could unlock it and the evidence not be used against him, he would unlock it. Don't be stupid.
>>54265562
>sister witness
>forensic examiner best guess
At least they didn't get shot, another meme for americans
>be american with encryption
>get jailed
>successfully cited a 1789 law
>1789 law
>1789
what
>You there, guy I don't like! You have child porn on your computer.
No I don't
>well now that I accused you, you have to prove me otherwise
No. Fuck you
Now this guy will, even after he gets back at the court system will always be known as a child molester. Even if he never did anything. What a world.
>>54265562
Freetards blown the fuck out.
Encryption makes your computer slower anyway, and they'll just lock you up if you use it. It's worse than nothing.
>>54265856
He's a fucking white male so fuck him.
>>54265856
I don't think people will consider him a child molester if all he did is have child porn.
>>54265856
What if he does have child porn on his computer?
I'm pretty sure that's not legal considering the 5th amendment exists.
>>54265669
So if Philadelphia's Federal Detention Center is violating the US constitution how soon before we see armed forces storm the place and arrest the detention center staff who locked him up and have the inmates in there transfered somewhere else?
>>54265911
I'm pretty sure the Constitution is a goddamned piece of paper and your GNU loving ass will beg for mercy after you've had a few nigger dicks shoved into you, freetard.
>>54265894
Then he is a very naughty boy
>>54265562
Poor guy, regardless if he has CP or not, it's his right to not implicate himself by giving them the key to his hard drives. But what's more sad that even after he gets out, he'll be a registered sex offender and you know the rest as society calls him; a pedo. But then again this is Amerika, you get shot for being a nigga. So no surprise there!
>7 months
This is fucking ridiculous. Hopefully this is resolved shortly and everyone responsible is sued into another dimension. This is obviously unconstitutional and whoever authorized this shit should be brought up on criminal charges.
>>54265911
the right to habeus corpus has been suspended for a decade now
this is the future you chose
>>54265919
Not likely to happen. Everyone will just claim they were following orders and no one will ever take responsibility. This guy can use his unlawful detention to sue the city of Philadelphia though. I doubt he'll lose.
>>54265932
He won't be an offender if they can't get into his drives. He hasn't even been charged with anything.
>>54265957
is it legal for him to break out of prison if he's being illegally charged?
>>54265894
It would be pretty fucked up and I would be extremely disgusted if they found cheese pizza on an ex-police sergeant's computer.
However:
>"TheFifth Amendmentof theU.S. Constitutionprovides, "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Point is you cannot be legally forced to self-incriminate yourself.
It's not really surprising. When suspects are under investigation they're often jailed so they don't flee the country while investigation is undergoing. I do think it's complete bullshit, but it happens all the time so this isn't crazy news.
>>54265923
If you would like to argue that the Constitution is not the highest law in the land, then I will counter that Congress and the Senate do not have a right to exist, because it is the Constitution and only the Constitution that gives them their authority.
>>54265932
Thank god he doesn't live in a small town. The second it made it to local news he was even accused, he would be fucked socially
>>54265841
Why isn't the sister being charged?
>>54265991
Didn't mean to reply.
>>54265562
A man "suspected" of doing something ilegal can be jailed indefinitely? US is worse than I imagined.
So proud of living in Europe.
>>54265989
He probably has been fucked socially beyond repair. I'm sure everyone who knows him personally is aware of what he's been accused of. When he gets out he'll have top move somewhere else and start over again.
>>54265562
>encrypt hard drive
>forget password
>jailed until I disclose the password
well... shit
>>54265977
If you read the text it's specifically applies to people charged with crimes (i.e. involved in a criminal case). Since he hasn't been charged with anything the 5th Amendment doesn't apply.
>>54265841
The constitution is an even older law, but that doesn't mean it isn't the law.
>>54266008
No. This is flat out illegal. When the government does illegal shit it takes a very long time to sort things out.
>>54266023
So are you saying the government can go randomly detaining people for months because their family member cried wolf with NO FUCKING EVIDENCE?
>"The investigation began in 2015 when Pennsylvania prosecutors were monitoring the online network Freenet and executed a search warrant of the man's home."
wew
>>54265976
Prison Break :)
>>54265984
Their authority comes from the power and wealth of the American elite, you retard. America is a plutocracy.
>The other was a forensic examiner who testified that it was his "best guess" that child pornography was on the drives
Fucking christ
>>54266026
there is no such thing as government actions being illegal in post-9/11 america
there is officially no accountibility anymore. police officers literally murder people, courts sentence people to lifetime imprisonment, the military authorizes drone strikes and killings of innocents en masse including american citizens, and the only time there are repercussions is if something gets publicity, like the video of the south carolina officer shooting the guy in the back
and in most scenarios with publicity, they can get the public on their side because most people are retarded
>>54266059
CAIMO could be real...
>>54266023
>If you read the text it's specifically applies to people charged with crimes (i.e. involved in a criminal case). Since he hasn't been charged with anything the 5th Amendment doesn't apply.
So then we bring up the 14th which states:
>Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
>>54265957
He is being hold up without any charge, but the whole world knows the reason is because of CP, even if he gets out he'll still be an Unofficial registered sex offender in the eyes of society.
The best thing he can do know is to pierce his fingers, right across the wall that "he's innocent".
And then hang himself!
>>54266151
>The best thing he can do know is to pierce his fingers, right across the wall that "he's innocent".
He can probably sue the shit out of them after the supreme courts frees him
>>54266049
>>54266142
I just meant that
>you cannot be legally forced to self-incriminate yourself
is wrong in this case.
Due process clause is a legit defence.
>>54266164
This. Pedo or not that dude is being illegally imprisoned. We don't fucking jail people for months because someone cried wolf and has to evidence to support their claim.
>>54265984
This is a good point, I think.
Also, not that I'm too terribly sad that an ex-cop is being charged with this shit, but... fucking do it properly. You can't compel people to testify against themselves like that, and there's no reason for the dude to be in jail without charges anyways. It's not like they can't find him later if they release him now anyways. :/ Shit, everyone carries fucking tracking devices (smart phones) on their person at all times anyways. :/
I'm really disappointed to see the world going in this direction. T_T "We can do whatever we want because we're the government..."
And people thought Nixon was evil...
>>54266181
The thing is the 14th applies but the 5th will also apply because they're forcing him to incriminate himself before they'll give him a trial which he's guaranteed under law. They're working against the spirit of the 5th amendment by trying to use that as a defense. I think the SCOTUS will not be amused if it has to go to them.
this is why hidden partitions exist.
>>54266181
He hasn't done anything wrong though. We don't know what's on his computer and he is not legally obligated to decrypt what's on it.
All that happened is >>54266059 and the guy was a suspect. They were unable to find evidence he did anything wrong and shoyod have let him walk free in a fee weeks tops. Instead he's being illegally imprisoned. I hope he sues the ever-loving fuck out of the city that imprisoned him when he goes free.
>tfw finally living in a post-privacy world
deal with it, nerds
>>54266190
*no evidence
>Americucks
What a retarded bunch of people
>>54265562
This shit happens in australia all the time, they can lock you up for two years if the coppers ask you to decrypt something and you refuse. It's happening all over the world...
>>54266190
>We don't fucking jail people for months because someone cried wolf and has to evidence to support their claim.
Yes, you do. You also support drug cartels and kill thousands of innocents to fill politicians pockets and fund government black ops.
>THE LAND OF THE FREE
>>54265562
>>The suspect, a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
They aren't worried about child porn. They probably are worried about what else is on the drive.
Organized crime can pay big money for those who are able to get them info on the police.
>>54265856
>>You there, guy I don't like! You have child porn on your computer.
>No I don't
>>well now that I accused you, you have to prove me otherwise
>No. Fuck you
You can sue for false accusations.
You guys don't need to bother with any mental acrobatics, this isn't an instance of a government or a particular department asking for a "master key', it's law-enforcement asking for one guy to decrypt his drive by his own knowledge because they've evidence that he's possessing CP.
good riddance to him if he refuses
>police finally end up cracking it after the dude is raped and beaten a few times in jail
>turns out there wasn't any child porn to begin with
>guy is released after losing his ability to shit normally and 5 years in jail
fuck encryption, thermite connected to case cover
no evidence, no cold boot, no nothing
>>54266815
>because they've evidence that he's possessing CP.
What evidence?, honestly clueless here.
>>54266846
I think he means they have no evidence
>>54266836
>no evidence, no cold boot, no nothing
You realise destruction of evidence is a crime, right? If you burn your harddrive they don't NEED to know what was on it any more.
>>54265562
YEAH MUUUURRRIIIIICAAAAAA
LAND OF THE FREEEE!!11!!!!111!!
When is America going to cut themselves off from the rest of the world? Seriously, when are they going to ban themselves into a corner?
When will Americucks realise that if they cease to exist, nothing of value will be lost. Hell, the world will be a better off and largely more peaceful
>>54266049
Uh yeah, this isn't even news.You can be detained without charge for an undisclosed amount of time.And none of your relatives need to be notified by law.
I'm not even an American,and yet i know what your cuntries laws are.
Having said that,my cuntry copied that law word for word and enforced it.
>>54266836
Or maybe you could try not being a fucking pedo.
>>54266853
Your property,but you cannot do what you want with it.
>lel
USA is the cancer that is preventing the world from progressing
>>54266815
No, this is a search warrant based on suspicion, not a matter of evidence. His house got searched, they found the drives and imprisoned him until he unlocks them.
>>54266861
>America
>the same losers who made the first atomic bomb
>have the most powerful x86 cpu chip manufacturer on earth
>built the first atomic bomb
>have the most powerful and sophisticated military in the world
lol
>>54266901
mere suspicion now equals illegal imprisonment.
Land of teh freedums home of teh slave
>>54266904
>be american
>too dumb to not post the same point twice
>>54266895
What the fuck are you talking about? The UK and other shit Euro countries actually have laws saying you must divulge your encryption keys. This guy has been imprisoned illegally and he will be released. It's very likely that he'll become a multimillionaire after he sues the shit out of the state.
>>54266904
>Not an American
>Manufactured by the chinese
>Was not a good idea
>but no common sense or an IQ above 80. Requires the military to sustain itself financially
>>54266870
not complying with a court order is grounds for detainment, yes.
He can appeal the court order if he believes there is no grounds for it.
At the end of the day, there has to be some mechanism by which law enforcement can search computer data. Your electronics shouldn't be considered beyond the bounds of the law.
I admit there are no absolute answers like /g/ seems to want.
>>54266861
>>54266914
>euros can't hold the shitposting until this shit goes to court
ebin sMh FaM +1
>>54266904
>"have the most powerful and sophisticated military on earth"
Nope,you better do some research old chap.
Russia emp'd an American aircraft carrier. Americans had to tow it all the way home.
Go on,piss in your own pocket with your patriotism.
>>54266924
>Your electronics shouldn't be considered beyond the bounds of the law.
In what circumstances? Whenever the government "feels like it"? Whenever they're going on a hunch or a whispered rumor that you MIGHT have done something illegal without any other evidence or probable cause? Hey anon, your neighbor down the block who doesn't like you cause your dog shit in his yard once called us up and said you have cp on your computer, so hand it over. I'm pretty sure we came up with a term for this kind of behavior long ago, "witch hunts".
>>54266931
>in jail for 7 months
Already so immoral to begin with.
>>54266919
Delusion is also a coping mechanism
>>54265562
>best guess that child porn was on the drives
If you can't unencrypt it then it all looks like totally random data, there's no way to "guess" what's on it. What are these tards on?
>>54266970
They're on a magical drug called 'having no idea how to do their jobs properly but never getting called to task for it'
>>54266924
Everyone has the right to privacy.If some sick fuck is storing child abuse material on he's'/her electronic device then law enforcement should be using all that tax payer technology and cracking encryption.
This idea that because one person does evil things we all should have to suffer is utter bullshit.
But fucking Americans lapped up the propaganda "if we have encryption terrorists and pedophiles will rule the world,hurf durf"
>>54266970
Guessing is now the first choice of law enforcement,fuck forensics,guessing puts people in prison faster.
"We winrar every time",said the incompetent police officer.
>>54266950
>I'm pretty sure we came up with a term for this kind of behavior long ago, "witch hunts".
God damn anon, well said. This is why I love /g/ so much. Throughout all the shitposters here there will always be smart and astute people like you to guide us all.
Scary to see the US is going back to the colonial dark ages.
A-at least we know FV can't be cracked...
Kek.
Amerifats were making fun of the UK for jailing people for not decrypting their data, but the US is hopping on board too.
However, in the UK a law was passed to have decryption become a legal requirement for suspects, but in the US it just happened.
>>54266950
>Whenever the government "feels like it"?
there's always going to be some give and take.
nobody can have perfect freedom because we all have to coexist with as equal rights as possible.
You do have to comply with a court order but you can challenge it or sue for wrongful accusations.
There's always going to be grey areas and interpretation of laws on the books required, there can never be a perfect law to account for all circumstances.
>>54266950
Man shit must have been pretty fucked up for those accused of being witches. Being hanged for a crime that couldn't be proven must have been so fucking humiliating.
>>54267105
>but in the US it just happened.
No it hasn't and people are protected from self-encriminating themselves according to the US constitution. This is nothing more than a witch hunt.
>>54265885
Yes they will. The court of public opinion will automatically bridge the gap from child porn to child molester.
>>54267170
He sure seems protected. He gets to be protected in jail, that's pretty secure.
>>54266853
Destruction of evidence carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, which is better than being in prison indefinitely.
>>54267202
kek but seriously though shit's fucked. Dude is gonna sue the shit out of the city when he gets out. All he has to do is wait. Only way this can go wrong is if the FBI finds a backdoor on his apple devices (which is possible) and it turns out he really did have cheese pizza.
>>54267185
Is the court of public opinion really all that wrong when it comes to actually busting and convicting a person with child abuse material on an electronic device?
Evil enough to get your enjoyment out of watching a child being sexually abused but "herp i would never do that to a child derp"
Sick fucks are sick fucks, and should be treated as such.
>>54267001
right, but it isn't feasible to expect that technology to be available in every case
>>54267202
lel'd
>>54266853
if you do go to jail, go for something ambiguous
child porn possession and sexually assault of a minor are treated the same
>suspect's sister claimed she looked at child pornography with her brother at his house
This sounds like a Japanese Doujinshi waiting to happen.
>Onii-sama what are we gonna watch today?
>>54267185
>>54267253
it doesn't matter if he is a child molester; being a consumer of a product produces a demand for that product which produces a market for it.
he's playing an essential role in facilitating the production of child porn.
>>54267253
>Sick fucks are sick fucks, and should be treated as such.
Not same anon but you have to understand that there are 2 kinds of sick fucks, those that act on their urges in real life and those that don't. Fact is some people are born to be sexually attracted to kids, sickening but true. Whether they act on those urges is what matters. Probably half the people you see irl you would label as "sick fucks" if you knew what went through their minds each day. But those people also lock away their urges and throw away the key.
>>54267284
>If you download music you're fueling the music industry
Call the RIAA, they have to hear about this!
>>54266836
Thermite isn't the way senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpX8YvNg6Y
>>54267263
Its more than just feasible, it's 100% possible.America has so many fucking law enforcement and technology on hand that if they worked together,problem solved.
Example: NSA makes a service available to all law enforcement to be able to send electronic devices to them for decrypting.
This even creates new employment.
>>54265820
Obviously you have no clue what the fuck is happening in the UK. It's a crime there to not decrypt your harddrives...
>>54265681
The case law is mixed in this area.
If the cops already know there's CP on his drive, but not the specifics and extent, a Judge can order that it's simply "production of evidence" to produce the password.
If the cops have a suspicion, but no direct evidence, and are wanting to go on a fishing expedition to nab the guy with CP on his hard drive, the Fifth Amendment applies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Boucher
This case makes giving your password at a border crossing a really bad idea. Especially if you're stupid enough to download CP and keep it easily accessible.
I don't have any of that shit on my computer, but if I ever take my laptop though a US Customs inspection line, it will be powered off, and if they want to "inspect" it, they'll be logged into the Guest account.
>>54266060
had a friend in prison that was watching this show while it was on air. he said all the prisoners would get excited when it came on and most the prisoners would watch it hahaha.
>>54267284
>being a consumer of a product produces a demand for that product which produces a market for it.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You know 99.99999% of cp is downloaded for free right?
> Be american
> Put a password on my rar file
> 10 SWAT vans and 4 helicopters show up to jail me until I give it
HOME OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE
>>54267334
>If the cops already know there's CP on his drive
They don't unless we have psychic cops now.
>>54267284
>being a consumer of a product produces a demand for that product which produces a market for it.
Do you really think child molesters are going to stop molesting children if less people download their videos?
>>54267348
>be euro
>i'm forced to give up encryption keys
>no matter what the charge is
>"f-freer than a-america!"
>>54267284
I think it does matter if he's a child molester.And yes i understand your point perfectly.
Maybe if law enforcement removed all their pedotrap websites from the net we might also see a reduction in people seeking out more child abuse material.
But i also think (and i said this yesterday) that all web hosting providers should be responsible for the content on their servers by LAW. Let's start by enforcing this new law in the USA. And watch the fucking shitstorm of a lifetime unfold.
Yes,web hosting providers in the USA should be charged with crimes against humanity.
>>54267362
>psychic cops
This is why you use a hidden VeraCrypt volume so you can give out the password. Dude still shouldn't be held indefinitely.
>>54267370
>Do you really think child molesters are going to stop molesting children if less people download their videos?
ya, it's pretty much like youtube, if you never get views or likes on your vids you feel bad and eventually stop making them, but if you get tons of views you feel like you're the best and keep makin em
>>54267390
>But i also think (and i said this yesterday) that all web hosting providers should be responsible for the content on their servers by LAW
That would be incredibly retarded. I'm not sure if you're trolling or just stupid. 4chan would have been shut down permanently a long time ago if we had a law that moronic.
>>54266870
>You can be detained without charge for an undisclosed amount of time
This is blatantly wrong. You can only be detained for a "reasonable amount of time" (no more than 72 hours) before they must either officially charge you with a crime or let you go.
>>54267405
This tbqhwu senpaitachi
Make a hidden volume, put some tranny porn and work documents in it, put a hidden volume inside of it with whatever you don't want cops to see
When they start beating you with a wrench give the pass to the outside volume so they can see your tranny porn and leave you alone
>>54266853
its only evidence once it has been subpoenaed
>>54267405
I don't trust VeraCrypt yet, not until it has a full audit done like TrueCrypt did.
And this is exactly why I never even considered dm-crypt/luks. The dev refused to support hidden partitions/volumes, making it just as useless as this Apple shit.
Is there anywhere that isn't truly lost?
>>54267442
Switzerland. Seriously. They're pretty much the only first world country that really gives a shit about individual rights.
>>54265911
It's not legal.
But the thing about the court system is that you can do literally anything you want up until the point that the case is appealed and a higher court shits fury all over you for not abiding by the constitution.
So essentially he has to have his case moved higher up the chain before he gets out of jail.
>>54267429
Except that's wrong.
https://www.aclu.org/news/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law
>>54267424
"4chan would have been shut down permanently a long time ago"
I don't see an issue with this.
Further more,my idea of a law that makes web hosting provider's responsible for the content hosted on their servers is the only way humanity will overcome the epidemic of online child abuse material.
>>54267436
VeraCrypt is the best at the moment. The only modifications they have done are pretty hard to fuck up so I wouldn't worry too much. They have also, as far as I know, fixed most of the issues the TrueCrypt audit found.
>>54267485
>humanity will overcome the epidemic of online child abuse material.
No, it won't.
It will always exist because there will always be a demand for it, like drugs.
Nobody wants your dystopian future where every site operates like Facebook. Fuck off.
>>54267509
Wants to rid the net of child abuse material =/= wants a dystopian future.
Not only are you a fucking idiot,youre also a pedophile.
>>54267521
JTRIG this shitposting is bad, go to sleep
This would be so great if he didn't have cp on there but just some anime, but I think it is more likely to be cp.
>>54267453
The Dutch government openly supports encryption. And we have no decryption orders.
They sont support it willingly, but because there are short lines between privacy organisations, the industry who needs it, the secret service in charge of protecting against cyber attacks who supports it and the prosecutors who say they dont need it and the government, who secretly wishes to follow every American example.
>>54267521
>Wants to rid the net of child abuse material =/= wants a dystopian future.
>Let's get rid of child abuse by creating laws that completely fucks over things that have nothing to do with child abuse.
>>54267476
That's for military detention.
Guy's not a terrorist.
Kiddy diddler at worst, innocent man at best.
Watch web hosting providers go to prison for content they allowed to be hosted on their servers,and didn't take the appropriate action (notify law enforcement,remove website).
It would be an overnight revolution for the safety of children.
>>54267431
Except if the cops don't find anything on it, they will plant some there so they don't look bad.
Just remember, it's not about protecting children, it's about punishing pedophiles for not living a chaste life devoted to god. And choir boys. Like a good, normal american.
>>54266115
>the only time there are repercussions is when black people feel threatened
fixed
>>54267528
Are you even awake?
>>54267536
The advisory organ of the government also said decryption orders would be a violation of the human rights.
>>54267546
Oh I'm sure, which is why it's being used on this pedo
>>54266904
So who build first bomb exactly? i didnt quite catch that
>>54267541
Well do give some valid examples of what you mean.
This will be intresting...
How come the feds are allowed to host child abuse content? I read an article about them running two of the biggest sites in the world for 3 weeks after they busted them. What makes that ok in the eyes of the law and society?
>>54267529
>but I think it is more likely to be cp.
It's 100% cp.
They were monitoring the guy for months. They even have file hashes of all the cp he downloaded(which is how he got on their radar in the first place)
I hope anyone using Freenet burns their HDD's.
>>54267554
It is impossible for large web hosts to find all illegal content on their own. You are talking about searching literally petabytes of data constantly. Now if the content was reported to them and they explicitly refuse to remove it, then yeah criminal charges should be made.
>>54265894
What if you committed a crime? Sure we can't prove it and nobody charged you with it ... but shit happens, enjoy your jail cell.
>>54267596
>Now if the content was reported to them and they explicitly refuse to remove it
That's almost never the case.
More than likely, they'll get thousands of reports, and will literally be unable to review all the material to remove it in time. This of course makes it look like they're ignoring it/refusing to remove it, which would mean jail time under that retarded anon's law.
>>54267584
They run shitloads of them,ones they have taken control of and ones they've created themselves.
How is this preventing the spread of the cancer called child sexual abuse?
Did someone say leaseweb?
>>54266773
In the Super Nintendo RPG, Secret of Man's, each weapon has 8 levels that the blacksmith can "sharpen" it to. However, there is a legendary 9th level to all the weapons!!!!! Of course, the 9th sword is the MANA Sword, the premiere end game item. However, the legendary 9th spear is called the DAEDALUS LANCE. Not very many people know this. Chances are, if you didn't pull your name from God of War III, you pulled it from Secret of Mana. If you pulled it from neither, then you have cool and/or really smart friends that left an excellent impression on you, or you are the one who is exceptionally smart. Regardless, don't mind me. I'm just a lonely anon that wishes he had a fat girl to make passionate love to. Good day Sir.
>>54267588
It's pretty obvious cops are acting in an organized effort to kill personal use of encryption by making huge press releases on the fraction of a percent of shit bags that use it for illicit activity.
>>54267624
Secret of MANA not mans....sorry
>>54266810
This. They are using the CP claim to rile up people's emotions, so they won't protest.
>>54267615
"what is Leaseweb? "
Fuck your idiocy increases with every post.
>>54266151
>whole world knows the reason is because of CP
maybe its just mass amounts of midget porn and he doesnt want people knowing he has saved 100s of GBs of midget porn
>>54267615
True that, but most have filters to explicitly prioritize cp content to get removed/reported.
>>54267596
"Is reported and they do nothing about it" very common phenomena.
>>54267657
You're forgetting about understaffed/dead sites. Some anons target inactive/dead chans and blow it up with CP. I remember a web owner got into some serious shit in the past because of it.
The entire concept is simply retarded. Not worth discussing really.
A police sargent, kid fiddling, unknown encrypted data, and doubious accusations.
This smells fishy as fuck, looks like there is something beyond muh kids and an (another) illegal detention
>>54267636
People wouldnt protest either way, the average Joe doesnt give a shit about encryption or its own privacy.
>>54267680
Not for major web hosts. The government can fuck you sideways for allowing it to stay. They can also take over the server to monitor it without you being able to do anything.
>>54267652
>wanting to spend several months in prison being accused of a pedo just because you dont want people, who probably dont give 2 fucks about you, to know you like midget porn.
maybe..
>>54267685
I'm talking about the web hosting companies themselves, not individual sites.
>>54267685
The concepts beyond your intelligence.
Please post under your tripcode sol invictus in the future, people at least have a way of identifying an idiot easily.
>>54266921
>x86 CPUs
>manufactured by the Chinese
youre not smart
>>54267694
This. There is something in that encrypted hdd that the FBI doesn't want the public to suspect is there. This cheese pizza scare thing seems like a cover. It just seems so unnatural that they would lock someone suspected of harboring cheese pizza for more than a few days after not finding evidence about it.
I know america is a shitty country but them doing this doesn't feel right.
>>54267694
When they searched his home, he had Freenet running.
99.9% people using Freenet use it for CP. He's a college campus cop. Not a programmer or developer..Not a stallman supporter..not a muh freedoms activist....pretty clear what he was doing..
>>54267694
>This smells fishy as fuck
this, sounds like a setup/internal faction war or something
>>54267700
So Leaseweb isn't a major web hosting company? Ok.
>>54267732
If they detained him for that long then it's definitely not cp. Whatever he has in his hard drive is much worse than cp...
>>54267558
Sex with a child is literally rape, a child does not have the mental faculty to consent.
Why are liberals defending literal rapists these days?
>>54267740
I work for a major hosting company and they aren't even on our radar.
>>54267732
He is in illegal detention lel, maybe (MAYBE) somebody is not tellong the truth.
Or he is a pedophile and thats it, well probably never know.
I wast just saying that the whole thing looks funny
>>54267747
there's nothing worse than cp.
>>54267375
>>"f-freer than a-america!"
Considering in the European countries where you can be required to hand over your encryption keys failing to do so is prosecuted as a crime where you actually get a jury trial, as opposed to this case where the guy is being held indefinitely on the order of a judge alone. It would appear the former would be a better freer than the later.
>>54267753
Must be a fucking 70's quality radar.
>>54267761
lol good one
>>54267763
>you spend your life in jail
>but at least a jury was involved
k
>>54266023
>Since he hasn't been charged with anything the 5th Amendment doesn't apply.
habeas corpus would apply then, how the fuck can you legally hold a person against his will even without charging him with a crime
>>54267768
Look at market share for hosting companies.
>>54267751
>a child does not have the mental faculty to consent.
and who determines when they are mentally capable of consenting? just pick an age out of a hat, since everyone matures linearly at the same time right?
>>54267763
This
If someone is gonna fuck me in the ass he has to wear a wig atleast
>>54267776
>how the fuck can you legally hold a person against his will even without charging him with a crime
Indefinite detention is not illegal. It was signed into law by Obama.
>>54267751
>Why are liberals defending literal rapists these days?
Unless you consider strawmen in political cartoons and four crazies on the internet to represent "liberals", they don't.
>>54267798
I consider most of tumblr and twitter to be at least "left" if not "liberal."
>>54267781
And what place on the list does the company you work for hold?
>>54267786
thanks Obama
>>54267783
>and who determines when they are mentally capable of consenting?
The government, of course, isn't that the solution to everything? Which reminds me of a joke:
Why is suicide illegal?
Destruction of government property.
>>54267817
I'm not going to say specifically, but top 5.
>>54267781
Also would you like to link me the top 10 web hosting companies?
>>54267772
Depending on the country he would actually be out of jail already. In the UK for example the max sentence for not turning over encryption keys is 2 years and in Belgium it's 1 year, while in the US it's life in prison if this ruling stands.
>>54267838
Didn't want you to expose yourself completely,thanks for info.
>>54267844
I stand corrected.
Shit's fucked
>>54267838
https://www.hostingkingdom.com/top-500
So could Leaseweb be a sub company of the top ten?
Haven't read this thread but he's staying in jail for contempt because there's a warrant on his HDDs. Someone under oath said they cp at his house.
That's a distinction in this case. Just like the fifth amendment, the authority the people entrust to do justice have a right to request he decrypt his drives due to witness statements. its reasonable.
![uypxz[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ceClIeb.jpg "uypxz[1].jpg")
>>54266970
merican law system is retarded which doesnt suprise when you look at the population it is made for
but its realy cool that in the USA you can guess encrypted files now
>>54267838
Ipage.com employee
>kek
>>54267783
>and who determines when they are mentally capable of consenting? just pick an age out of a hat, since everyone matures linearly at the same time right?
please, please tell me you're a troll
>>54267878
I'm talking about how much the company is worth. Unfortunately there really isn't a comparison showing the largest in that context.
>>54267917
lol no
>>54267919
Yeah i gathered that much,that link i posted was the best i could come up with (in five minutes)
>>54267934
was a random guess for a potential lol, apparently it worked.
:)
>>54267652
maybe its a mixed bag of CP, bestiality and gorea
I'm a sysadmin and travelling to the US for the first time in a month's time. I'm a bit worried that some agent will pick me up in the tsa line, take my thinkpad and beat me with a $5 wrench until I tell them my luks pw.
They'd see my rare pepes folders and they would become a bit less rare.
>>54267955
Maybe he's got so much dirt on people that you cannot even fathom how snowden tier it is.
>>54267961
Always protect your rare pepes behind 7 levels of hidden volumes
>>54267961
lel'd
>>54267624
That's a 17 year old girl. Enjoy going to jail for raping little kids, scum.
>>54267751
>looking at a picture is sex
>downloading a picture is sex
>tfw i've probably fucked you're waifu according to american pedo scare logic (and british law)
>>54266904
>AMD
>most powerful x86 cpu chip manufacturer
unless you meant intel then you should know they're jews
>illegal downloading of music is harming the music industry
>illegal downloading of pizza is perpetuating the pizza industry
someone please explain
>getting cucked by your sister
>>54265991
under rated post
>>54267284
No it doesnt you utter clueless fuck.
>>54267577
>I don't like this website
>Oh look "someone" posted cp on it, better shut it down and arrest the owners
>>54265562
> "Not only is he presently being held without charges, but he has never in his life been charged with a crime,"
It's cute how this doesn't matter if it's a male sex crime.
>>54268015
>responding to my post is sex
>>54268209
All men are criminals and rapists, so it's okay.
>>54266060
What the fuck? Does that show have anything to do with The Flash? This is so weird.
I wonder why they even bother with the password instead of just fabricating evidence by putting cp on his drive.
>>54265562
>not having an unencrypted dummy-system that starts automatically on boot without a trace of the encrypted system
>not encrypting your files the way you can just say "I didn't encrypt anything, I don't even know how to computer. What is an encrypt?"
>>54267596
Thats stupid. You don't scan petabytes of data at random, you scan it once when it's uploaded.
>>54267902
>somebody swore under oath you did something, now confess
>lol no
>indefinite jail
going to have to try harder
You see goyim, you must decrypt those hard drives, otherwise you're a pedophile. And you're not a pedophile, are you?
>>54265669
Stop being an idiot. He's no pedophile, they wanted to snoop on his shit, he told them to go fuck themselves and they slapped a bunch of bogus pedophilia accusations on him and claimed that he was going to be jailed until he proved his innocence by letting them snoop on his shit.
This is why the hysteria surrounding pedophiles is bad. Not because "omg the poor pedos", but because THIS is how they use it.
>>54267334
>nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
If he hasn't been charged with a crime and is being held indefinitely that is a violation of the 5th amendment.
Is not decrypting HDDs a crime? Has he been charged and convicted of this crime? What are established penalties for such a crime?
>>54265894
Then they should get some actual evidence.
>>54265562
They investigated freenet while they could just log USENET's alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.* or some other alt.binaries .* newsgroup.
Also
>best guess
>witness
>>54268572
Not only that, but try to discuss this on a non-anonymous forum like facebook and all of a sudden you're either a pedo or at the least a pedo sympathizer. Nevermind the fact that the discussion is about the heavy-handedness of gov't policy regarding encryption and privacy.
>Indefinite detention for not providing password is wrong.
>Pedo!
>No, privacy, human rights and all that
>Gay pedo supporting liberal piece of shit!
Fuck this gay earth
>>54268572
Gets it
Pretty sure even under current legislation you can't indefinitely detain someone unless under "terrorism" accusations. Pretty sure Pedophilia isn't labeled as domestic terrorism, yet.
He would have given the keys up if he had nothing to hide. If he's willing to spend his life behind bars without complying it means what he has on there is worth that punishment.
Freetards blown the fuck out. B-BUT MUH PRIVACY
>>54268778
>He would have given the keys up if he had nothing to hide.
Funny how the government will jail you for revealing their secrets and jail you for not revealing yours. Funny how "If you have nothing to hide..." is a one way street.
Go fuck yourself.
>>54268337
Can't they compare the partition size with the harddrive capacity? I guess you just say "I like to make small partitions :D"
>>54265991
because women cant be pedophiles, just victims of rape by the children in the pictures (and classrooms)
>>54268337
>not encrypting your own files with a cryptolocker virus
>>54267336
makes sense, surely it's about every prisoners' dream to not be in prison anymore
even if they don't intend to act on anything from the show, shows that cover things you dream of are naturally exciting to see
>>54268843
This tbqhfampai. Where do I find the exe?
>>54269607
game.of.thrones.BLURAY.se2.ep3.avi.exe
>>54265562
>it was his "best guess" that child pornography was on the drives,"
so his sister is trying to fuck him over for something most likely stupid and this "forensic examiner" just hopped along
feels good to live in the land of the free
>>54269977
And women wonder why males don't want to "be friends" with them. :D
>>54265562
>a former Philadelphia Police Department sergeant
Well, well, well...
>>54268825
You can use unused space on a partition that spans the entire drive to hold an encrypted partition, as long as you're careful to use it in a way that doesn't overwrite it. If you wanted to be really safe you could patch your kernel to avoid writing to that part of the drive. If you do this using LUKS it's not even cause for reasonable suspicion to have a kernel with encryption enabled, just make sure you don't create any logs of anything to do with it and memorize the commands to remount the partition from scratch each time.
>>54269987
Yeah fuck that, I am only going to have a sexual relationship with my sister from now on
>>54269987
Yeah fuck that, I am only going to have a sexual relationship with my sister from now on
>>54265562
>land of the free
>jailed for literally no reason
>>54270742
This place is a fucking embarrassment. I'm going to repatriate to Scandinavia and drive back the Ottomans.
>>54267423
>ya, it's pretty much like youtube, if you never get views or likes on your vids you feel bad and eventually stop making them
There are people on YouTube with more videos than clicks.
>>54268140
Underrated post.
>>54268140
You wouldn't download a pizza.
What about Australia? Whats the 5th equivalent, and what about encryption laws?
>>54268140
mind=blow
>we think you have CP on your computer
>I don't have CP on my computer
>we just need to check your computer and verify it
>n-no, b-but I still don't have CP
>so show us and we'll be done with, plus you'll be able to sue your sister and the forensic examiner
>n-no
/g/ defending a pedo, wew lads
>>54266023
>nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
Actually it does still apply here.
>>54270919
kill yourself
What about encryption that has two phrases, one to decrypt and one that fucks the data up and makes the password thats supposed to decrypt so nothing, or just deletes everything?
