Anyone here work as a system administrator?
Is it easy?
>>54265514
His pants are so damn baggy
Was fun while it lasted, until the jobs started turning into contract positions and remote "assistants" from India.
Good luck getting anything decent left that's not taken by the 20+ year vets
>>54265538
his mom or wife shops for him
Depends.
On windows, thing need better attention as next software up might screw up badly compared to Redhat.
The same can be said if you're adventurous enough to use Arch on server.
Of course, best practice is to vet software updates on test server before pushing to production.
But sometimes people are just lazy.
Or maybe your company won't spent any on test server.
The other thing is work hours.
Some might have on-call contract.
>>54266567
who the fuck is using arch for their business? seriously, i'd like to know that answer.
>>54266207
spotted the tight pant'd hipster faggot.
Granted, your statement holds true and will not agrue with you.
>>54265538
yup. nigga has no fashion sense.
>>54265514
Me.
Easy as fuck if u know install gentoo.
>>54265514
Is this job just setting stuff up and fixing shit when it breaks?
>>54265514
ye, just babysit servers and other misc shit
>>54265514
>What happens if I pull this cable?
>easy
no
most of your competition will be people with tons of experience and certifications
youve got redhat linux stuff, microsoft server, cloud shit like azure and aws, and your typical virtualization.
the easy job youre thinking of is desktop support.
>>54269005
Wrong.
Most of your competition will be Pajeets willing to work for a third or less of your salary.
>>54266567
Go home pajeet.
Nope the money is in starting a company
>>54265514
>Anyone here work as a system administrator?
Yes
>Is it easy?
You're going to get a bunch of retarded opinions here from:
1. People who think they're sysadmins 'cos they have two, maybe three, whole servers.
2. People who pretend they're sysadmins but are really just first line support or NOC.
3. Developers who think sysadmins "just babysit servers and shit"
4. Idiots who think it's 1994
The answer is "It depends, hugely, on what sort of place you work, what systems you manage, how you manage them, and the type of work you're doing"
>>54269096
meh
been doing network admin for awhile now
so i obviously have to work with the systems teams.
havent seen anyone or even heard of anyone being outsourced by indians outside large companies on the news. im sure it happens but it isnt some career ending no hope situation.
usually the contractor companies and the MSPs are the ones who come in and get the in house team fired with their low rates
>>54269028
>>54269149
meant to reply to this
>>54269134
>sysadmins "just babysit servers and shit"
This is literally what they do though
>>54269149
>havent seen anyone or even heard of anyone being outsourced by indians outside large companies on the news.
Sysadmin here. Same. I've been doing this job for 10+ years and never seen or had it happen to anyone I know.
If your job gets outsourced it's because you have a skillset that's easy to outsource to Pajeet, which doesn't make you valuable. Get your damn skills up, people.
>>54269172
Like I said, retarded opinions.
I haven't actually logged in to a single server all week, let alone responded to a single alert. I have been writing a fuckload of unit tests for our configuration management, though.
>>54269188
>>54269149
Are you guys in the US? I think most of the outsourcing is happening in major US cities, not so much yurop or semi-rural areas.
>>54269220
USA here
like i said, never seen or heard of anyone being outsourced.
people outside the field have been saying that for ever
>>54269220
>Are you guys in the US?
No, but my last four jobs have all been for US companies. Working remote for the last three, even.
It's happening in multi-nationals and even then it's only happening to the neckbeards who haven't kept their skills up to date, so they can be replaced by Pajeet and his friends.
If you can be replaced just as easily with Pajeet, you *are* a Pajeet. Don't be Pajeet.
im lazy as fuck
is this the right job for me? i want to browse /g/ while i work
It is at the moment, but the job of the standard sysadmin is going to become defunct in the next 5 years.
Learn some DevOps or become redundant and automated.
Thought this thread was relevant and busy enough to post this.
I'm 22 and am trying to get an entry level help desk position just to hold me out until I complete college.
I'm currently looking into a nearby hospital and have a co-worker who's fiancee is a level 3 help desk over there. So he may be my in
I'm currently working on my A+, and am waiting on my Network+ and Security+ books to come in to get those too.
Do you guys feel that those certs alone will be enough to land me the job?
I do have some tech repair experience on my resume but nothing that's really "help desk"
What other certs should I go for even if I can't get in at this hospital? I'm really just looking to build as much experience in a related field while in school
>>54269257
>le automation meme
Weren't truck drivers supposed to be extinct by now?
>>54269298
Don't worry, you'll be laughing all the way to the back of the welfare line.
>>54269257
There hasn't been a "standard sysadmin" for a very long time; even in the 80's it was split into things like "Mail admin", "Database admin" etc.
But yeah, people these days need strong skills in things like configuration management and a couple of programming languages, and some statistical analysis doesn't hurt either (gotta' monitor large fleets of servers). Oh and actual interpersonal skills; the day of the lone sysadmin in his troll cave is *long* gone; these days you'll more than likely be working in distributed teams, so you need to be able to, you know, interact with people all over the world. Oh and actually document your shit, so you need to be able to string a sentence together, too.
That's on top of the usual "I know this...it's UNIX!" skillset.
>>54269296
yes
the CompTIA trinity is pretty good for entry level people.
If you are having trouble finding your first job consider interning somewhere or just lying about it.
Experience anywhere is much more valuable than those certs. Having both is great.
Most people in IT are autists. So if you get an interview show you have a personality and willingness to learn and youll get the job
GL
>>54269296
From my experience, Net+ is retarded, CCNA is miles ahead of actual knowledge
I was lucky enough to get an apprentice position straight out of A-Levels. From experience working in a software development company is interesting and has a lot more stuff to learn than a law firm for example.
>>54269355
the CCNA is much better but often difficult for people with no experience. I recommend Net+ if you have never worked in IT.
It will also make studying for the CCENT/CCNA much easier.
Sysadmins, post your official job title and what you do.
Me
> "Senior Service Engineer"
> 2nd/3rd line
> Almost 100% windows environment
> Jack of all trades
>>54269367
I had 0 XP in networking, picked both CCNA and Net+ books, and while net+ made zero sense when i got to IPsec CCNA books were piss-easy tier for me because of lot more details
Now i'm CCNA approved, thinking of getting moeny to pass that Net+ just for the lulz
>>54269336
>in the 80's
>Mail admin
>Configuring sendmail
Ughh... The horror.
>>54269354
I have pretty good interpersonal skills and am really passionate about the field as cliche as that sounds.
My experience jumps around a bit I've worked at a bank, restaurant, and liquor store. I do have experience setting up computer systems (really simple stuff like setting up a network for a business and fixing the computers at the liquor store whenever they went down)
>>54269354
I do plan on getting the CCNA after these 3 but I felt these would look the best for right now since I want the job within the next few weeks and I don't think I'd be able to pass the CCNA that fast after reading around forums.
Thanks a lot guys
>>54268054
lol
>>54269390
you're in the minority. the Net+ is easier. It does cover more general topics then the CCNA though. Mile wide and an inch deep.
If you already have the CCNA then getting the Net+ would be like getting an associates degree after having a bachelors.
I guess if you need to pad your resume but i doubt it will help you
Why would anyone want to be a sysadmin besides lack of ambition/intelligence?
It's basically a mixture of a janitor and a maid.
>>54269401
your unrelated experience doesnt matter much. your friend who already works there will be your ticket to the interview. Make sure you know your shit and practice interview beforehand. have you buddy tell you what they asked him
>>54269490
Pay is decent
>>54269490
Janitor, maid, architect, designer, statistician, mathematician, weather forecaster.
>>54269490
goto job websites and check the average salary for sysadmins then compare that to your allowance
>>54269514
What's the conversion rate from GBP to wage slave currency these days anyways?
What EXACT skills you need in order to become Sysadmin
Because there are so many different systems, what if you ar master at Linux and you get MS server?
Is there some middle ground where you can say "i can adapt to all systems because i know XYZ" and what is that XYZ
By best case: CCNA, MSCA/E, LPIC/RHCSA
Do you *need* to know powershell/bash in order to be sysadmin? Any programming language?
>>54269490
>high pay
>low stress
>not a programming autist
I have CCNA but no experience. Should I go for CCNP?
>inb4 get experience
Not a lot of related jobs here, I've been trying though.
>>54269540
noone is a master of everything. usually you specialize in one area and then learn everything else on the job for that job.
to be a sysadmin youll have to work up to it. having a bunch of entry level certs like the ones you listed arent going to cut it. typically working up from helpdesk, NOC tech, Desktop Support, Jr admin, Admin, Engineer
However titles in IT often mean shit
>>54269540
>Common Sense
>A serious willingness to learn things you don't want/like
>Good communication skills
>Open mind
Any technical skills are just a bonus or CV decoration.
>>54269540
Telling people to fuck off with unreasonable requests.
>>54269569
why arent you working already? what good was the CCNA if youre still not working?
If you interviewed with me and you had your CCNP but no experience Id only offer you an entry level job.
>>54269540
>What EXACT skills you need in order to become Sysadmin
There's no such thing.
>Do you *need* to know powershell/bash in order to be sysadmin? Any programming language?
Yes. You need to be able to actually administer the system, you see. It's kind of in the job title.
>>54265514
I was one. Quit it, because it was fuckin boring. Now studying CE.
So yes, it's easy.
>>54269602
>Not a lot of related jobs here, I've been trying though.
>>54269617
>helpdesk hero detected
working for geeksquad doesnt make you a sysadmin
>>54269634
You haven't been trying hard enough anon.
Stop putting in the bare minimum
>>54269644
Not everybody lives in the US anon ;_; unemployment is >20% here
>>54269639
No, nigger.
I worked for the fuckin german government and was acctually a network- not a sysadmin.
I had to manage all backend networking shit for ~400 employees
>>54265514
>automate shit
>collect NEETbux and watch anime
>>54269602
>>54269602
You sound like CCNA with no experience = job land...
>>54269674
>400 employees
kek
what did your AS look like? 4 routers? 2 firewalls? 10 switches?
>manage all backend networking
no one in networking calls networking "backend networking"
you were some desktop support faggot who maybe had to login to the switches once in awhile.
Sysadmin here
>User gets access to spam filter because an executive decided there might be false positives
>Releases email
>Clicks link. Blocked by palo alto UTM
>User starts up PIA and uses that to bypass firewall
>Oh yeah, I'm not allowed to block PIA because one executive decided he should be allowed to watch porn unmonitored
>Downloads executable
>Blocked by IE
>Uses IE override button
>Blocked by SRPs
>User saves executable to a CDRW for some reason
>executes
>Accepts UAC prompt
>Cryptolocker
>Management sends out advisory regarding "server crash"
>Restore from backups
>It's the third time this month
>I'm banned from telling anyone who patient 0 was because they are a VIP
>justsysadminthings
>>54269712
thats all the certification is for. to help you pad your resume to get a job. if you cant land a job with the CCNA cert in your pocket then your resume sucks ass. The CCNP isnt going to help much and most people will assume you cheated on it.
>>54269766
So who was it?
See this is the issue. How the fuck do you pad your resume with something that can't even land you a job due to the lack of experience to begin with. The god damn IT world is just full of retards top to bottom. It's the same as it is for everything else where who you know matters most. If you're not lucky enough to have networking opportunities handed to you then the last option is lying your ass off.
>>54265538
Cargo pants. Lot of us in IT that work in data centers wear them because pockets.
>>54265595
That's why you get into government contracting. Can't be outsourced to India.
>>54269914
>Lot of us in IT that work in data centers wear them because pockets.
This. Also crawling around in the cable space below a rack in tight pants. Nobody wants to see that, let alone do it.
>>54269028
Wrong. Most of your competition is assholes trying to make it so easy a retard like yourself can do the job.
>>54269172
Don't I fucking wish.
>>54269929
Between ass crack, your knees getting destroyed and not wanting to have to carry a fucking tool bag with you, cargo pants are just a must.
>>54269490
this
basically modern day plumber:
pipes = cables, shit = bits, toilets = computers, etc you get the idea.
and people are mean. if you are crybaby, don't start. after 10 years I think I have seen it all and wouldn't recommend it to weak souls.
but yeah, pay is good. i drive tesla and don't post in guts or battlestations thread all day long.
>>54269893
internship/volunteer, meet like minded people through meetups, internet, certifications
those open the doors nigger
>>54269925
How long until companies realize that Indian labour, though cheap, doesn't hold a candle to CS students who went to school and work in their country?
Honestly, I'm scared that I won't be able to get a job because of the Indians.
>>54269985
>CS students
>Sysadmins
>>54269994
I meant regular CS jobs, not just sysadmin stuff.
Although, I wouldn't mind coming down the education high horse if it meant that I wouldn't be stressed at my job.
>>54270012
computer science majors are almost always programming students
>>54269985
As soon as the investors admit these fucking companies need to actually make a profit. Until then, it'll still be people wanting to outsource everything to make the stock price go up and then run.
>>54269985
How long until CS students realize that their knowledge, though high, are highly theoretical and doesn't hold candle to other job candidate with practical experience.
>>54269985
It's already happening. Outsourcing always happens in a cycle:
1. "We need to cut costs! $DEPARTMENT is just a cost center!"
2. "Look at how much more cheaply we could do $DEPARTMENT if we outsourced to $3RD_WORLD_COUNTRY"
3. "The people at $OUTSOURCING_COMPANY swear to me they can do this and took me out for some very nice lunches"
4. *Time passes*
5. "Oh no what a horrible mistake we can't get anything done!"
6. *Brings $DEPARTMENT back in house*
>>54270032
You gotta start somewhere. It's the age old "We want someone young that is cheap but we also want someone old that knows everything." that companies try to do. It's why you get start ups in college because CS majors realize they aren't going to get the jobs making millions unless they do it themselves.
>>54270040
Too bad that's not how it worked for American manufacturing.
>>54270040
To a point, yes. You'll get certain things like DBAs out of India and customer support out of South Africa because it's cheap. Companies are trying more and more to automate the hell out of everything so they can high people for $20 an hour or less because they don't want to pay people like me $35 an hour.
>>54270064
Manufacturing is different; once you lose the skills and the machinery, you have to start from scratch again and spent a lot of upfront capital.
>>54270040
Yeah, until those Poos actually learn something, from years of experience they get from outsourcing to them
>>54265514
>Anyone here work as a system administrator?
Yes
>Is it easy?
It likely is.
Really depends on the industry and your users.
If you're smart, most things will be automated and you'll be alerted before something bad happens, particularly on servers.
>>54270104
lol never gonna happen anon. Pajeet works from a desk in Bangalore until he can get himself a contract job and a visa in the USA or Europe, and then the next wave of warm bodies fills his set.
>>54270040
I don't have any work experience,and I don't know about the quality of outsourced work,but an uncle of mine who works for standard and poor's in melbourne told me that they once hired some people to create an info database/transfer system (I don't remember what exactly it was).It wasn't anything groundbreaking,since news companies use that sort of system.
WHat happaned was that they put a lot of money into this and after 1 year,they got a substandard product(Uncle told me that he flat out told his boss that the software is trash).Then they decided to outsource it and they got what they wanted quickly and at a fraction of the cost.
>>54270155
Balkans is the new India of programming world, those guys work for _slightly_ more than Pajeets but they speak amazing English and actually know how to code
>>54270155
That's not really "outsourcing" though. That's more work-for-hire contracting. They hired a shit contractor to start with, then they hired a good one. It happens.
>>54270212
Yeah if you *are* going to outsource, the Balkans aren't a bad bet. Although again it tends to be more individuals or small groups rather than large corporate outsourcing.
>>54269296
I tried to post this in the cert thread last night. The helpdesk -> sysadmin -> network engineer career tree is a shrinking field. More and more tier 1 help desk is going overseas or to MSPs. Sysadmin is changing with the migration to the cloud. There will always be a need for onsite helpdesk but with sysadmin and network engineers moving to cloud services they're going to be more divorced from the standard support structure, so it's going to be harder to make that jump from the helpdesk.
The days of the on-site datacenter are over for the most part. If your company has a hosted datacenter you're already experiencing the difference. Once most companies move to the cloud you'll lose the responsibility for the hardware, which means fewer sysadmins and fewer network engineers are required for a system of equal size.
People will still have a need for onsite equipment but it will mostly be security devices, distribution networks with PoE for SIP phones and WiFi.
Plan now so that you're in a good position as the career market shifts. Build cloud skills, big data skills, interconnection skills, or distribution network skills so that you're ahead of the game.
I've been doing this almost 20 years. At this point in my career I'm a SME for a government agency. I do all these things in my lab at home so I can call out lazy or ignorant sysadmins/netengineers/project managers/developers etc.
>>54270509
Teach me senpai, how to build test lab for fucking vSphere, cloud, win servers etc
>>54269298
>Weren't truck drivers supposed to be extinct by now?
The long haul trucker is relegated to specialty fields now. They've been replaced by freight rail. Short haul truckers are still a necessity and will be for the foreseeable future. The only place you see long haul any longer is where time is critical, it's an unpredictable delivery, a small industry or not allowed on rail.
>>54270064
it will come back with automation
but no jobs
>>54270032
sounds like something the kind of person who fails fizzbuzz at a job interview would say
"i don't get paid to do fizzbuzz!!!"
>>54269367
>the CCNA is much better but often difficult for people with no experience. I recommend Net+ if you have never worked in IT.
>It will also make studying for the CCENT/CCNA much easier.
Terrible suggestion. A CCNA is a worthy cert. The CompTIAA certs might as well be gold stars stuck on your resume. They take up room but don't mean anything. Don't waste your time. They're not respected. Why shoot for the bottom rung. Don't be lazy. Build skills.
>>54269754
>what did your AS look like? 4 routers? 2 firewalls? 10 switches?
2 firewalls
2 core routers
10 layer 3 switches
2 cisco cubes
other shit for different internet connections like wlan for visitors n shit
>>54266613
>Who the fuck is using arch in their business
Our VoIP PBX server runs on Gentoo :^)
>>54266637
there is a fucking difference between pants that fit and pants that are skin tight
>>54270657
>cisco cubes
ccna here, wtf is this?
>>54270647
>Terrible suggestion. A CCIE is a worthy cert. The CCNA certs might as well be gold starts stuck on your resume. They take up room but doesnt mean anything. Theyre not respected. Why shoot for the bottom rung. Dont be lazy. Build skills.
>>54270647
>arguing about entry level certs
neither matter much at all once you have some experience.
they are both certs for beginners. the CCNA is better but a little harder. we're talking about a 200 dollar test. Not a huge decision or big deal either way.
>>54270657
again you sound like someone with very little networking experience.
>other shit for internet connections like wlan
sigh
you mean wireless controller?
an admin who "got bored and quit" would know
>>54270811
used for voice shit over wans mostly. but like most cisco devices it has a lot intergrated into it.
>>54265514
System Administrator is almost a dirty title now, because of the constant misuse of the title.
Server administration is currently part of my responsibilities at the moment, nothing too fancy, maybe 600 users, 40-50 servers?
>>54265514
>Anyone here work as a system administrator?
I used to be a network/sysadmin before I changed paths and became a system analyst, something I regret but the pay is higher.
Network admin jobs aren't too rare but sysadmin jobs are becoming rare as hell. Outside of a limited amount of medium sized businesses and government positions you stand no chance competing with all the people who have been doing it for decades, and cloud shit.
>Is it easy?
This really depends on where you work and especially what the infrastructure looks like before you started, if you were left with an unlabeled disgusting mess enjoy hell. Not having a listing of what every sever is, does, and it's addressing information will impact your work. You also need topology diagrams for both your network and servers. Now if you are a network admin and you have no network diagram, the ports are unlabelled, and the wiring is a mess you will have a nightmare. In either case if shit ain't organized and documented convince your employer to allow you to do that first thing, it may take a while but it will make your job much better.
>>54270509
>the everything is going to the cloud meme
ive worked for two different companies that migrated from internal data centers to AWS. One migrated back within two years. The other one Im not sure because I dont work there anymore but old coworkers say they are trying are talking about it.
There are plenty of benefits to both, but nothing is one solution fits all. Many businesses will still have their own DCs and others utilize some cloud solutions.
And if the work shifts to the service provider level then they will need more people to facilitate those services.
>>54271064
>>54271089
titles usually dont mean much in IT. there are job postings for helpdesk guys whos titles are sysadmin.
and network engineers whos titles are noc tech.
>>54271145
My title at work is Technical Analyst, and the promotion path here goes all the way to Technical Analyst III. After that you move to management. *shrugs*
>>54271145
While I agree with you that has little to do with my post, everyone being an engineer is the best joke. Even janitors are engineers now.
>>54270509
>Build cloud skills
Expand upon what "cloud skills" are.
>>54271436
Probalby getting to know Azure and AWP
>>54271451
Makes sense. "The cloud" is really ambiguous terminology.
>>54266207
>wife
>>54271054
>you mean wireless controller?
no. We had 3 or 4 different internet lines for different purposes.
The visitors wireless lan was not connected to the house internet. Not even through a firewall
>>54271541
why not?
I mean, why did you have the wireless for visitors at all?
>>54271572
because muh german gobernment with weird needs. Would be too much to explain
>>54269375
salary?
>>54269375
Applied for helpdesk position.
Got picked out of hiring process to do sysadmin.
Ended up doing business intelligence more than anything else eventually, trained someone else to do the sysadmin stuff.
I've been a
>Product Specialist
the whole time.
Most vague title ever.
I do some internal programming in C# for some automation and data manipulation/visualization, as well as use BrightGauge to do client reporting.
>>54270723
It's like you hate comfort
>>54273324
>>54273339
get out of here memefag this is a discussion for adult children
>>54273403
ok, kid
>Friend is sysadmin
>his boss cheaped out on rack cabinets
>2 years go by
>the racks are all literally stuck in the cabinets due to the weight causing the cabinet to warp
>one of the cabinets gives way
>corner collapses
>it tilts over and hits into the door
>like 600kg against the door
>ended up having to speak to fire brigade and getting them to break the door down
>they use the jaws of life on the hinges of the door
>cut the door out piece by piece
>finally get in
Took a week to get all of the racks out of the cabinets. They had to use a saw to cut all of the cabinets and rails. This is why you don't bulk buy rack cabinets from hong kong. cheap recycled metal is generally very weak.
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>>54272809
I don't think baggy jeans are comfortable. All of that demin shifting around and rubbing you in the wrong places isn't fun. At least tighter jeans stay in place.
>>54270563
>Teach me senpai, how to build test lab for fucking vSphere, cloud, win servers etc
There are plenty of lab offerings from all those vendors. I spend a good amount of time in the VMware HOL but I have a dozen servers at home for other things.
I do.
I make 70k.
I don't have a degree
I'm 26
Yes, it's easy. If you're competent. If you're retarded, no. And when things go wrong (which they do from time to time), you need to be good under pressure.
It's kind of like being a fireman. THere's a lot of sitting around, but when it's time to go, you go and you do it well.
>>54266613
I'm strongly considering using Arch or Fedora on our next VPS. Not going to fall for the "Debian is stable" meme again. Just because your packages are 2 years old doesn't mean they're stable. I've seen huge bugs sit there unpatched in the name of "stability". Guess what? Its not stable if its crashing every week for no reason at all
>>54269674
LOL 400 employees
We have 2200 in my department and I am a small fry that does it all myself. I also work for the government - the US government. Get over yourself.
>>54270959
>>Terrible suggestion. A CCIE is a worthy cert. The CCNA certs might as well be gold starts stuck on your resume. They take up room but doesnt mean anything. Theyre not respected. Why shoot for the bottom rung. Dont be lazy. Build skills.
There are plenty of people who respect CCNAs as well as CCIEs. CCNA isn't the same as a CompTIAA level cert.
>>54271161
I see that you also work at a UC.
>>54270991
>neither matter much at all once you have some experience.
>they are both certs for beginners. the CCNA is better but a little harder. we're talking about a 200 dollar test. Not a huge decision or big deal either way.
I disagree. They don't matter once you superceed them but if it's the last cert you have they give credence to your recommendations.
>>54271123
>ive worked for two different companies that migrated from internal data centers to AWS. One migrated back within two years. The other one Im not sure because I dont work there anymore but old coworkers say they are trying are talking about it.
>There are plenty of benefits to both, but nothing is one solution fits all. Many businesses will still have their own DCs and others utilize some cloud solutions.
>And if the work shifts to the service provider level then they will need more people to facilitate those services.
>Two companies fucked up the migration to the cloud
>cloud must be a meme fad
I specifically called out the fact that the migration to the cloud is mostly about not having hardware responsibilies meaning fewer people are required.
>>54271436
>Expand upon what "cloud skills" are.
There are AWS and Azure certifications that revolve around how to do things in their clouds. Those are cloud skills.
>>54269134
Don't forget people/co-workers. Ideally you're not operating in a vacuum. You have to understand your customer(and yes, your coworker is your customer if you have a good attitude). You have to understand their needs and how to deliver a sustainable solution. Dogmatic folks are usually a pain in the ass and make for the worst type of co-worker. Also the fuckers who milk their jobs. Otherwise the job comes in flavors between extreme satisfaction and complete gut wrenching agony. And yes, I still do an on-call 16 years later, UNIX admin.
>>54265514
Everything is going cloud for businesses. No need for server rooms anymore. Just use Azure or AWS. That means companies need little IT departments and they want jack of all trades. They want Helpdesk/Sys Admin/DB Admin/etc in one guy and just hire two or three of you.
Mathematically it just makes sense to buy a big pipe and let Amazon or Microsoft deal with the servers and bullshit.
If you go that route, better know alot of shit and know it well.
