For fucking what? what's wrong with the 3.5mm, why do we need a new meme plug like firewire that's gunna go nowhere?
Fuck off with this meme.
>>54260908
Cause if we went on that mentality, we would still be on laserdiscs.
>>54260930
going with USB is a step back though
>all headphones will now need DACs built in
This beyond retarded
>>54260908
Apple started this.
Apple truly is making the industry great again.
>>54260908
fuck off luddite
In their defense 3.5mm jacks are flimsy as shit, and the male connector is way too easy to break.
They've been around forever though. They have staying power. USB type C isn't going to be standardized for the next 20 years. Intel knows full well that they'd be putting people in a position where something as ubiquitous as headphones would now become outdated. It probably won't be long before intel buys a stake in some audio venture, and starts selling their own "smart" headphones as they try to push them into every industry.
>>54260908
I am okay with this. Have to move on from ancient tech.
>>54260984
How do you break a male 3,5mm plug? Breaking the cable doesn't count.
>>54260908
Good. Wires are fucking stupid, it's about time companies started puching for wireless connectivity.
Logitech already proved that wireless doesn't mean massive latency anymore, so there's literally no reason to use wires at this point.
#CURRENTYEAR
>>54261015
The tips fall off. They're basically press fit and they can come loose, and end up stuck inside of the connector.
REEE USB TYPE C IS SHIT ITS GONNA COME OUT OF THE SOCKET EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU SLIGHTLY STRETCH THE FUCKING CABLE REEEE REEE
REEEE
3.2 IS KING
>>54260950
more like you get an adapter which is the DAC, so an external DAC, which is still retarded
>>54261032
>The tips fall off. They're basically press fit and they can come loose, and end up stuck inside of the connector.
I have never had this happen to me and I've owned well over 100 different pairs of headphones in my time
>>54261015
I see it all the time, either the plug getting sheared off or the female getting broken or the solder joints broken from lateral force. It's a garbage connector and 1/4" should be the default.
>>54260908
>saving space so you can either have more battery life or thinner devices
Sounds great.
>>54261024
Wireless is only viable if the headphones have no battery.
>>54261032
Stop using cheap cables/headphones. I've never had this issue. Not with my unbranded male-male connectors, cheap JBL earbuds, nor with my Audio Techica ATH50x "meme grade" headphones.
>>54260930
that's not true, there's no benefit to USB-C
>>54261058
>>54261032
>breaking a 3.5mm
Jesus Christ man have a little finesse. How do you snap a 3.5?
>>54261116
I've never busted one myself (though I have had a chinese 3.5mm -> 1/4" adapter disintegrate in my hands). I've just replaced a lot of them. All it takes is one good jerk to the side to break them though; it's just a thin metal tube over plastic with a wire down the center to connect to the tip. There's no real structure, and it's so thin the materials can't bear any load at all.
>>54260950
>>54261053
USB-C can do analog audio.
>>54261056
Shit happened in the school I went to all the time, you couldn't plug in the headphones in half of the computers because retards snapped the plugs. No idea how someone manages to do it.
>>54261185
Oh then never mind. I have no problem with this
ITT:
People literally want to get cucked because they think newer/digitalized=better.
Next year:
>Apple invents direct current. Everyone is switching power lines to new apple design.
Audio jacks literally work and only logic alternative is wireless headphones for people who hate cables. And its an alternative because not everybody wants to have batteries in their headphones.
>>54261177
Same thing happened to ne, though it was mostly my chairs fault
>>54261185
I just read it up...
>The audio adapter accessory mode enables Type-C support for analog audio headsets. In this mode, the audio signal is multiplexed the onto the connector pins. Since the audio signals are the same as those used in 3.5mm audio jacks, a 3.5mm to Type-C adapter can be used.
W-why the fuck is anybody bitching about it then? It's clearly progress in every direction and the only downside is that faggots with old headphones would need to buy adapters.
>>54261244
>intel
>making computers
>faggots with old headphones
You mean literally anybody with decent headphones?
>>54261265
>You mean literally anybody with decent headphones?
Well, too damn bad for them. Think about the poor people who want to use physical media, are we supposed to stop progressing so they won't be sad?
>>54261244
That actually sounds totally fine
>>54260908
It's called "planned obsolescence".
They just want to sell you more shit you dont need, they can either do it by the shit constantly breaking down and needing replacement, by seasonally changing tastes of style or by pointless "innovation" you can not avoid.
>>54261327
THIS ANON!
Which is more expensive: a 3,5mm or a USB3-C ? <retorical>
>>54260908
>For fucking what?
For fucking bluetooth, it's not 1990 anymore.
>>54261206
Reality:
>Apple (or, someone else- Apple isn't tech Jesus. But for sake of argument) invents something new and better
>Encourages everyone to use it
>everyone else goes fuck off
>Apple uses it in their products
>Consumers love it
>Third-party manufacturers make stuff for it
>Everyone else eventually comes around and it becomes a standard
See: killing off floppy etc.
>>54261244
Neat. Too bad you cant use headphones if you are charging. Also I'd rather wear out my 3,5 jack rather than my usb slot.
>>54261350
>Which is more expensive
It doesnt matter - with new mainboards and phones only supporting USB-C headphones you'll have to buy USB-C headphones.
>>54261265
he probably only buys $20 headphones from walmart and doesn't understand that analogue equipment is different to every other piece of rapidly depreciating tech he owns
>>54261350
The real question you should be asking is:
Which is more expensive: a 3.5mm jack AND a port for charging, or just a USB 3-C port
>>54261371
Even though as soon as it becomes commonplace on phones USB headphones will get dirt cheap
>>54261265
Anybody with decent headphones would have a DAC anyways
>>54261363
>Too bad you cant use headphones if you are charging.
A pretty rare scenario. Happened to me once while I was at an airport and wanted to make sure I have 100% for the flight.
>Also I'd rather wear out my 3,5 jack rather than my usb slot.
How long do you have to use a device to manage either? I had headphone cables dying but never any jack/port even after 4+ years of daily use.
>>54261177
>implying a headphone jack is supposed to be a load-bearing device
>mfw
The fuck do you do with your headphones that puts such stress on the jack?
>>54261363
>Neat. Too bad you cant use headphones if you are charging.
Wow, that actually sucks. The last device that I remember doing that was the Game Boy Advance SP. It used a proprietary plug for power and audio out, so headphones needed an adapter. At least that had a good reason for it, not just change for the sake of change.
![10539[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2ouqnIs.jpg "10539[1].jpg")
>>54261363
>Neat. Too bad you cant use headphones if you are charging.
The last thing I had that did this was pic related.
In 2007.
>>54261423
>How long do you have to use a device to manage either?
I've had this happen to my smartphone, after <6 months of using the port every weekday.
>>54261374
>Which is more expensive: a 3.5mm jack AND a port for charging, or just a USB 3-C port
This is what gets me. Laptops will just have one port. Charging the device, chatting on a headset, copying files to a device, using a scanner, will all be distinct events, degrading your computer's utility to that of a single-app-at-at-time smartphone.
Or you can carry around a multiport adapter all the time, which I got fed up with back when I had a Nokia.
I honestly think this thread is like 3 people, over half the posts are pointlessly over the top bait tier insults.
What do you get out of making this thread anyways? You must be pretty lonely
>>54261032
over 3 decades of life and i've never seen that happen. the jack is the hardiest part of a headphone.
>>54260908
DRM
R
M
>>54261535
>after <6 months of using the port every weekday
You either went full retard with it or it was faulty from the start. A quality management issue unrelated to the port itself.
> Laptops will just have one port.
Till that happens, the battery life will be long enough to ignore charging while listening to music. Or they will have two USB C ports. Retina Macbook could instantly switch to it for example.
>chatting on a headset
On a laptop?
>copying files to a device
What is wifi there for?
>using a scanner
Who the fuck still uses scanner you need to connect with usb?
>>54260908
>Intel
the answer is jews
>>54261358
Apples record of late isn't so hot. The iWatch flopped. Tablet sales are weak and getting weaker. The rest of their tech portfolio consists of typical updates to longstanding products
It illuminates the need for a dac.
Meaning that shitty phones and players might end up sounds decent (I know digital sources aren't equal).
It's a step up. It's just upsetting that it's going to leave loss of good old hardware pretty much useless without an external DAC solution.
>>54261244
it means millions of headphones, earpods and shit suddenly become incompatible just because intel thinks they can sway a market away from a widely accepted format
Its like if Apple tried to bring back the BTX formfactor
>>54261656
iWatch flopped given the expectations, it still easy outsold all the other wearables.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/28/apple-watch-smartwatch-sales-analysis
Similar story with rest of their line up plus things that affect the entire market.
>>54261535
>Charging the device, chatting on a headset, copying files to a device, using a scanner, will all be distinct events
You're thinking in 'old tech' terms. Take Apple's latest laptop or any other new laptop with a decent battery- it literally lasts all day with basic tasks like web browsing etc. And with so many work tools going cloud-based that's all many office workers may need. Storage, in the cloud. Standalone scanners are incredibly niche these days, let alone for owners of laptops like these. Of course there will always be tasks that currently require ports en masse, say pro photography, but even that's going pretty wireless.
Nothing will need to be plugged in.
I will give you that we're not at that stage yet for most people. But give it a few years.
>>54261460
Some people use their headphones outside of the home; if the wire gets tangled on, say, a door handle, or the player is removed from the pocket at the wrong angle, it's possible to break either the male or female connector.
>>54261460
>Listen to music on phone
>Headphones/earbuds stay on your head while phone falls out
>>54261761
Happens to me all the time, never broke the jack
>>54261712
Change "headphones, earpods" with "floppies, cds, dvds and blurays". Also when talking about laptops add "vga, ethernet, dvi and mostly hdmi"
Specially with headphones the impact should be minimal, most people use the included ones.
>>54261753
Sounds like somebody is clumsy as fuck. Do you have a phone case too?
>>54261753
This has happened to me, but I've never broken a jack. Either my headphones are pulled off or the jack gets pulled out. I guess it could happen, though.
So it's one usb port that you can use because they want it to be usb c?
It's like buying an apple product with only 1 usb and no headphone jack. Sorry, can't charge and listen to neutral milk hotel.
How much space would changing it to usb-c even save?
>>54261656
They were always a hardware company. Killing off connectors and ports was what they loved to do. Now everything is wireless of course they're not going to dramatically change the industry again. I dunno. Take the non-induction wireless tech everyone's tinkering with. It's clever, Samsung or someone will likely rush out with it first, but Apple usually probably wait until they can nail the tech. They certainly seem more cautious than they were in the past.
Tablet sales are weak across the board. Apple is suffering sure, but the iPad still makes a heck of a profit.
Original iPhone didn't sell all that well. It was the 3G that was when it really took off. I seriously doubt the watch will ever be the huge product the iPhone was, but I'd hope the 2G watch does better. Wearables tech in general is in its infancy. Probably a price thing. I still see so many more Apple Watches than anything else though. (After Fitbits.)
>How much space would changing it to usb-c even save?
It's been known for a while that a major factor that affects device thickness is the 3.5mm jack. It takes up a fair chunk of space inside once you sort out the housing and shielding from other components. The new USB ports can be much smaller.
>>54261891
How's the shielding tho, considering its apparently an analog signal >>54261244
>>54261891
Who even wants/needs thinner devices than what we already have, though?
>>54261968
Going by the sale of thin devices compare to fat ones, everybody. Given that the devices aren't identical it's not a 100% comparison of course but huge companies certainly invest enough into market research to be sure.
I'd love a phone slightly thicker than usb c port if it has similar performance/battery life to current ones.
>>54261614
sometimes it's more comfortable hearing someone's voice through headphones, than listening to them through your laptops speakers.
For me, transferring data through direct hardware is more stable than relying on your wifi. And if you have not the best wifi, then making your own server isn't the best idea.
If your wifi fails or you are in a situation where you don't have wifi, then you can't transfer your files.
You are trading the convenience of one situation for another situation.
This whole "make everything wireless and cloud based" thing could have potential, but we are removing usability and trading it for simplicity. Like with photoshop going from a program based system, to an entirely cloud based system. Yes, Internet is almost everywhere nowadays, but it comes in different speeds, different restrictions, and different people using it all at once. You don't own photoshop now, you own the rights to use it based on a subscription fee. I don't feel comfortable having all my data stored somewhere else, and only being able to access it through a modem, I like having all my data with me, I know where it is and I know what's happening to it.
Also, having one cable for everything may be pretty cool, but it's replacing usability for simplicity. Like i said. If you want to do more than one thing with it, you need a separate adapter.if you want to charge your computer while listening to music, you can't do that.
Yes battery life may be quite long, but if you need to charge your laptop, and you need that port for something else, tough.
Wireless is pretty cool, but it's being done in such a way that it's forcing many things that are very viable to become obsolete, like the USB port that can be inserted up or down, was there a need for it? Not really. It's a novelty at best, yeah it makes things sinpler, but I would rather them increase the speed, and robustness of the connecter than try and solve a problem that wasn't really big to begin with.
I hope phones come with two Type-C ports then, one at the top and one on the bottom.
That would be neat
>>54262017
I'm a pretty die-hard apple fan, but they are pushing their push for thinnovation too far when they could be giving us a longer battery. I'm no hardware specialist and I may be completely missing something but in simple terms, more space for a battery equals being able to stick in a larger, higher mAh battery? The iPhone 6 could have happily been a mil or two thicker and crammed a fair amount more in there.
Maybe it's a limitation of battery sizes, I dunno. Hopefully you'll start to see that terraced-style battery in more than just their macbook.
>>54262069
To satisfy your symmetry autism?
>>54262017
It's just so pointless, though. Phone manufactures, rather than add more functionality, or increase battery life or whatever, choose instead to use the advances in technology to make their device .2mm thinner. It's not as if today's phones are big and bulky like they were in the 90s/00s. Wouldn't you rather have another couple hours of battery life or something than an insignificant bit of bulk shaved off?
>>54262105
so you can buy a double Type-C cable, plug both ends in and wear your phone as sick chain in landscapre
>>54261354
>>Recommending Bluetooth audio, ever
so sad.
>>54262169
sick
>>54260908
>this saves the amd
>>54260908
Intel can't even run their business properly. >Lay off 12000
>better copy apple
>apple shits the bed this quarter
What now Intel??? All you have to do is not be amd and you can't even do that right.
>>54262180
I own some P5s that do bluetooth and 3.5mm, and damn if I can't tell the difference between the two most of the time.
Audiophiles will always love their cables, they can get adaptors. For everyone else everything's going bluetooth.
>>54262272
This. Placebophiles will keep buying their overpriced, outdated meme tech, for everyone else there's the convenience of wireless.
There is literally no benefit from using type C for headphones.
It won't sound better, it's a fucking analog signal.
Space is not an issue on laptops.
The cost of adding a 3.5mm Jack is absolutely minimal and I'd rather pay that cost.
Carrying an adapter around is a pain in the ass.
>>54262083
Well, it's not like Apple are the only ones who push for thinness (neither of their phones, laptops or tablets are even the thinnest) and 6/6s is probably the most blatant example where it was silly, although mostly from the design POV with the dumb camera bump. Making these phones thicker would fix the bump AND make longer battery life possible.
>>54262142
>Wouldn't you rather have another couple hours of battery life or something than an insignificant bit of bulk shaved off?
Depends on the battery life we start with. My current phone lasts two semi intensive work days, which is theoretically nice but practically pointless, since I charge it every day. So any device that lasts one day without forcing you to use low screen brightness and the likes, would have "long enough" battery life for me, after that I'd love to get thinner. Whenever you pay more than 100 bucks for a phone, you already spend money on "nice to have" and not crucial things, it might as well have a nice design.
It obviously depends on your usage entirely, if you struggle to get through a day with current phones, I'd see why you wouldn't want them to get any thinner.
>>54262365
wrong
no
of course it is
no it's not
suck it up
>>54262365
>Space is not an issue on laptops.
Just look at the Retina Macbook, being able to switch the audio jack for USB C would make the ONE PORT bitching go away.
Also space is a huge issue on phones, so it'd be best being able to use same headphones on both.
>>54262404
>wrong
How so
>no
No? Tell me how type C will magically make headphones sound better?
>of course it is
If the thinnest laptop in the world can fit a 3.5mm jack then it isn't a problem.
>no it's not
Yes it is.
>"oh no, I forgot my adaptor, looks like I can't use my headphones "
>>54262446
>space is a huge issue on phones
Nobody wants thinner phones.
I also frequently charge my phone and use my headphones.
>>54262390
>I'd love to get thinner
I guess this is where our opinions really differ. I'm of the opinion that thinner != better. It can be, of course. I feel like if a device is too thin, it feels flimsy, and almost sort of cheap. Besides, the extra thinness you would gain from ditching the 3.5mm jack is so miniscule that you likely wouldn't notice except when you really look closely and compare with a thicker phone. And really, how often are you doing that? In my experience, thicker phones also feel better in the hands, but that's more subjective.
>>54261519
Later Sony Ericsson phones came with a charger that allowed you to connect your headphones to it. The same could probably be done with a type C connector, although I'd rather keep my 3.5mm jacks. The less accessories I have to carry with me the happier I am.
>>54262521
>Nobody wants thinner phones.
EVERYBODY wants thinner phones.
Phones should be creditcard-thin, or even smaller.
>>54262565
>bend leg
>phone in pocket breaks
>phone gets blown away in the wind
>lose phone even easier
>phone slices up hand when holding it
The Nexus 5 is the perfect size, it's sad no one has copied it.
>>54262565
>2020
>Phones are now the dimensions of paper
>128k screen
>12 seconds of battery life
>All ports are removed to make it thinner
>Constantly have to be replaced because they keep snapping in half
>>54262565
Right, let's make phones so thin they become uncomfortable to hold.
>>54262565
>using my samsung galaxy s11
>still touchshit
>a cool breeze caress my skin
>my phone instantly fly off my hand
>now it's free
>>54262565
>phones should be the size of a grain of sand!
I want off this meme
obviously the solution to charging and audio is two USB-C ports, which not only keeps it slim but opens up tons of use options like video out or USB storage
>i like analogue audio connectors that wear out over the years and get intermittent connections
>its a perfect connection!
>>54262565
DIRECT
NEURAL
INTERFACE
WITH
THE
BRAIN
>>54260908
looking to plug the analog hole :^ )
>>54263608
I've had plenty of intermittent connection problems with micro usb. Why exactly am I to trust that USB C is any better?
>>54260930
>implying
Good progression: Laserdisk -> CD comes out -> CD gets popular -> Laserdisk naturally phased out
Bad progression: 3.5mm -> USB C comes out -> 3.5mm immediately deprecated, leaving everyone in the dust
>>54263660
a 3.5mm to USB C adaptor would be tiny and likely included with phones desu
>>54263603
This is best but phone makers won't do it because muh minimalism
>>54263648
USB-C includes a lot of mechanical improvements to withstand a greater number of plug/unplug cycles without getting loose or losing contact.
USB-mini (not micro) was only in use for phones and laptops for a short time before being replaced, for the same reason (mechanical coupling failure). USB-micro has been standard much longer and micro-C was designed specifically to counter this issue.
>>54261785
The difference, retard, is that while floppy disks and optical disks have largely been rendered obsolete, headphones are not obsolete, and old ones are pretty much as good as new ones.
Only idiots think that the fact that something is old is by itself an indicator that it should be replaced, and that replacement of something that is functional and standardized is somehow "progress".
once again /g/ behind the curve with old tech moving on
>muh cd drives
lmao remember everyone acting like they burned 15 cds a day and it was required
>>54262272
Pre BT Headsets
>can't hear music because the battery of my device is low
>can hear music while charging
Post BT headsets
>can't hear music because either the device or the headphone's battery is empty
>can't even charge both on the go
I never understood that. Such devices are extra cost, extra wear, extra waste, extra points of failures with having "no cable" as the only advantage, ridiculous in most use cases, since BT doesn't allow you to go far away from the device either.
>>54261400
>Anybody with decent headphones would have a DAC anyways
good point
why am i even worrying about this
>>54263713
Optical disks are still a decent way of storage for poor people. We can't adjust modern tech for them. Same story here. If you want to use your old headphones, there will be adapters for you. Why are device makers supposed to adjust their devices for people who want to stick to older tech? It would be the same as building floppy/dvd drives into laptops.
>>54262624
>you don't buy phones anymore, you got a subscription
>>54263761
>since BT doesn't allow you to go far away from the device either.
it will sure get you farther than an analog 3.5mm cable, with the added bonus of noise immunity the whole way
>>54263691
I have headphone jacks that work since 1982.
Where is this "wear" shit coming from anyway? They're mostly not wearing, they're getting dirty. And that's nothing USB-C will protect you from.
>>54263831
That strongly depends on your surroundings.
It's a shame that both Bluetooth audio and it's aptX variants are both shit in that they both compress (usually an already compressed MP3) the audio signal. Now if the cans could do the decoding and the device the streaming we would not be having this conversation.
>>54263793
Because there's no REASON to replace a standard that works and is ubiquitous with something that has no advantages other than that it's newer.
>>54263793
Optical disks are one of the only reliable cold storage solutions, it's just /v/tards who spread the maymay of "DVD's ARE SHIT XDDDD"
>>54260984
In all my years i have never seen anyone break a 3.5mm, if flimsy is an issue go with 1/4 inch which is superior.
>>54263871
The advantages were presented in the opening image and thread, just because you don't see it as advantage, doesn't mean it would be for most people.
>>54263895
>optical disks
>reliable
I hope you don't really believe it.
>>54263901
>>54263901
This. If you manage to break a 3.5mm, you wouldn't be happy with any thinner device anyway.
This seems ok to me. One less single-purpose port.
But why not make every port mini-Ethernet?
>>54263895
My first self burnt CDs are still readable, I admit. But many of my older (and some newer) DVDs have errors now.
>>54261056
googling it and apparently it actually is a real issue. I imagine it's only with those cheap flimsy ones on earphones unlike those on full-size headphones
>>54263942
As always some meme fuck comes around
Good quality DVD-R's have been proven to last at least a decade, and it's the only cold storage solution that works, aside from tape
LTH BD-R's could much better but they aren't proven in real life usage
Also, pressed optical disks literally last for decades, I still have some early 80's CD's that can be read without errors
Though pressed disks have always been known to last 5ever
>>54261358
>Consumers love it
Nobody "loved" the fact that their imac didn't have a floppy drive. At best, they didn't notice it. Same for optical drives. Same for ADB. Same for all the other shit apple has deprecated. At best, you don't notice it. Otherwise, it's a pain in the ass. There's nothing good about removing compatibility, it's just sometimes necessary.
Apple removes compatibility as a "bold" "progressive" move, usually not out of necessity, but as a gimmick.
>>54263991
You probably got some shitty DVD's back then, not everyone bought the good Taiyo Yuden/JVC/Verbatim's
>>54261199
>No idea how someone manages to do it.
If you have special education there I might have an answer to that.
>>54264000
While it wasn't that noticeable on iMacs, removing optical drives on their laptops was something everybody could notice and appreciate. Same with 4151515 ports that only 1% of people use, like their own firewire meme.
>>54264045
I don't appreciate it. The only thing that ever got me buying a laptop without one was a really good integrated drawing tablet.
External drives are a pain in the ass.
>>54264045
Why the fuck would you notice and "appreciate" the lack of functionality on your computer?
I've seen people go try to put a disk in their macbook, only to be surprised it doesn't have a drive.
People don't notice those things until they need them, and then it's an annoyance.
Intel has the worst quarter in ages
>can't muscle in on ARM's mobile turf
>can't beat down AMD without antitrust regulators showing up
>can't milk gaemer crowd anymore with devs turning out garbage ports on the PC
>"guiz, USB-C is the new headphone jack!"
It is really a desperate attempt by Intel to sell more USB licenses?
I don't see too much benefit. I highly doubt phone manufacturers are going to replace the space saved by the traditional headphone jack with another USB-C slot.
>>54264116
Because what you call "functionality" is technology almost nobody uses in 2000 fucking 16, while the said functionality adds weight and steals space for something that could be actually useful.
>I highly doubt phone manufacturers are going to replace the space saved by the traditional headphone jack with another USB-C slot.
W-why would you want two on a ... PHONE?
>>54263590
atom-width phones when
THIS JUST IN, APPLE DECIDED TO REMOVE THE POWER CHARGING PORT
"CHARGING IS CLUMSY AND IT HURTS DESIGN, WE HAVE THEREFORE OPTED FOR DISPOSABLE MACBOOKS THAT HAVE A BATTERY LIFE OF 5 HOURS THAT YOU GET ON A SUBSCRIPTION BASIS"
hUHRdur DURPDURPRdurp
>>54264116
I don't even have an optical drive in my desktop. On the rare occasion I want something from a disc, I put it in an old laptop and copy it over.
>>54260954
By removing headphone jacks?
>>54264175
>Because what you call "functionality" is technology almost nobody uses in 2000 fucking 16, while the said functionality adds weight and steals space for something that could be actually useful.
That's autistic tech nerd bullshit. Normal consumers don't think "wow I'm so glad that this laptop doesn't have deprecated features, thus saving space and weight, and advancing us towards the progressive future!"
>>54264235
> "wow I'm so glad that this laptop doesn't have deprecated features, thus saving space and weight, and advancing us towards the progressive future!"
Sure but they notice the slicker design, lower weight and longer battery life.
>>54264226
On the rare occasion I want something from a disc, I put it in my disc drive in my desktop.
Seems a lot simpler to me.
>>54264212
screenshot this guy I'm not joking
>>54264266
It's less than once a year for me, so it's not worth buying a drive. Most people don't use discs anymore regularly.
>>54264175
>steals space for something that could be actually useful.
Like what? A warp drive? There isn't much functionality to add to a laptop. Asking to be compatible to almost 98% of physical media is not really a burden. But I forgot, there's obviously no need for someone in "2000 fucking 16" to ever read any physical media again. Because the internet has everything, right? Wrong.
>>54261206
Direct current is better in the age of switching regulators you fucking code monkey
>>54261015
Applel makes the impossible possible anon.
>>54264315
>A warp drive?
That'd be nice, but longer battery life and lesser weight are fine too.
>Asking to be compatible to almost 98% of physical media is not really a burden
Might as well add floppies and VHS to the mix. Gotta sure we won't skip any obsolete formats, what if somebody needs it?
>Because the internet has everything, right?
I am sorry you couldn't find every single of your favorite 70s porn flicks online but for normal people, yes it has everything.
>>54261939
You don't need shielding after amplification unless you're talking, like, analog phone networks
>>54264304
Mainly because there's next to nothing to use discs for. Games, movies, drivers, software collections all on the internet. All not available in reasonable time or at all when you're in Australia or something, but theoretically you have access.
>>54264370
If I could buy a VCR for my PC, I would do it. Much easier than relying on a TV tuner card and external VCR.
>>54264405
I keep that stuff on disks. They're way better than discs most of the time. And I always have my 300dpi e-reader and power bank in case I find myself without Internet or electricity for days.
>>54264370
>but for normal people, yes it has everything.
And that's not. It doesn't have that Bambi BD unless you buy it again or pirate it. It doesn't have the wedding photos that you got on a CD. There's so many fucking things that are in a normal household that are simply unreachable.
VHS, yeah. I mean not that VHS-Tapes can be only read at a computer, like most data CDs/DVDs/BDs, or Videoplayback from VHS was ever done on a PC on a regular basics, I'm pretty sure there's people who'd like that.
But jokes aside, optical media was ubiquitious for ages AND is still in development today. In contradiction to VHS and Floppies. That simply died out with their entire format. Unlike optical media.
>>54264212
I bet you in 5 years they actually will remove the charging/data port, saying that wireless charging is more convenient and ultra-wideband or "wireless USB" is "faster". Expect plunky hipster guitar music.
>>54261053
External dacs with a hifi headphone amp sound great
>>54261939
USB-C cables are some of the most shielded. Analog audio cables usually have hardly any, and the wires are super thin too.
>>54264546
>ultra-wideband or "wireless USB" is "faster"
It will probably be faster than contemporary USB. But simply because whatever makes wireless USB so fast wouldn't be used on wired versions for comparison.
nobody ITT noticed that this would mean that a malicious pair of headphones could root your device
go to a trade show and give out free headphones, now you have access to their email, AD accounts, maybe even some blackmail material. the chinese will love this
>>54264594
brilliant
>>54264593
it'll have a faster baud rate, but due to error correction and the fact that you'll have to share the signal space with a ton of other devices means you're lucky to get even half of the sticker speed
>>54260908
I don't mind if I can get two USB type C connectors, that or they can fuck off.
>>54261852
They pushed on a lot more than just hardware.
One of their huge selling points was (and still is to some extent, though many others have caught up if not surpassed) ease of use, and they kept ease of use going with the app store which boosted the usefulness of phones quite a bit for those who didn't want to have to fiddle with them much.
>>54264594
Or place them in first class in planes or on trains or tourist buses where they are normally given out free.
The future of computing:a single thin box of aluminium charged wirelessly with absolutely no serviceable parts and no ports
the perfect botnet
you've heard it first folks
>>54264540
>Bambi BD
>It doesn't have that Bambi BD unless you buy it again or pirate it.
>pirate it
Exactly.
>It doesn't have the wedding photos that you got on a CD.
If you got them on a CD, it was long enough ago, to put the shit on your PC and store it somewhere else.
If you got a CD from the photographer in the current year ... it wasn't the best choice.
> I'm pretty sure there's people who'd like that.
Obviously, just not enough for anybody but them to care about it.
>AND is still in development today
Mostly because of vidya and most people not having a good enough internet to download 60GB games.
>>54264546
In 5 years wireless charging will probably be fast enough to justify it. Making wireless headphones viable sounds like a bigger challenge.
>>54263603
>tfw no phone with 2 USB type C ports
kill me desu
>>54264709
wireless charging will always be a waste. there have been very few improvements in the technology since it was invented about a hundred years ago. we don't use it because it sucks, it's a gimmick.
just plug it in, ffs.
>>54260984
The basic problem is the springs in the socket. They can be done well, in which case will work well and there will be no problems. Requires a high tolerance solidly carefully placed set of shaped springs. Or springs can be built to cost, so they will from time to time fail - go mono, 1 channel etc. and need to be adjusted. Or they can just be half-assed and often completely fail because of poor spring metal.
Anyway this is not a premium product problem and Apple and Intel should be able to quality check their socket components. A flat connector would be cheaper and better.
>>54262558
I fucking hate Sony with their meme connections and meme standards.
>>54264594
>What are permissions
>>54264945
>What is technological impairment
>>54260984
>In their defense 3.5mm jacks are flimsy as shit, and the male connector is way too easy to break.
If only there were a thicker, more durable connector that had been an industry standard for nearly one hundred and forty years.
>>54264945
Permissions only work when the underlying hardware code wasn't written by cut-rate electrical engineers who never liked programming anyway.
Have you never heard of badusb?
Is everyone glossing over the fact that if they do this they can lock all headphones not produced by x vendor?
its like those proprietary ports that phones used to have but worse, because at least then you could buy an adapter
>>54265017
why would you not align those to the ruler, why would you space it out so much
this fucking makes me mad
>>54260908
I remember the bad old days of 2005 when every OEM had their own proprietary headphone port, all off which sucked.
Pic related: a set of USB headphones I used with my Razr. Overpriced and incompatible with most existing hardware.
Fucking Jewtel and Apple.
>>54267016
dude, they're less than a centimeter apart. stop being a sperg
>>54267016
Autism? On my /g/?
Oh yay, now my ports have DRM
This makes the destruction of old computers even more tragic.
>>54260908
>meme plug like firewire
FireWire was great, I still use it regularly.
>>54262565
ok autist let's rephrase:
no one in their right mind truly want thinner phones
>>54261423
>A pretty rare scenario.
Not if you have a powerbank and still want to listen to music while it's charging
>>54261519
>>54262558
The phones were good but the connectors were shit.
>>54263793
>Optical disks are still a decent way of storage for poor people.
It's not even cheap.
>>54260908
we wuz gona be digital 'n shit
>>54261032
yup, had this happen on a guitar once.
>>54260908
usb headphones are absolute shit, there is literally no reason to do this
>>54264412
i use a capture card and a vcr and i think it works very well. right now i have the equipment to pipe in a VHS tape to my laptop, fuck with the video stream, and wirelessly broadcast it to all the televisions in my house over the airwaves
>let send more and more electromagnetic energy through the air, right into your face all the time
>>54261109
You're dumb. If anything battery life would be compromised by the thinness.
>>54262069
So your phone can charge itself.
>>54268566
Agreed, the connector on the phone required frequent cleaning and once one of the tabs on the charger/headphone adaptor broke it would constantly disconnect. Not to mention that awkward 90 degree angle on the headphone adaptor that puts it under constant stress when you kept the phone in your pocket while listening to music.
It was nice however that the adaptors came with a build in microphone and still allowed you use your headphones with it. I still use my old C902 whenever I go to a festival and survived more drops than any smart phone ever would.
The content industry have been complying about the analog ports forever, they want digital so they can apply DRM. It's pure business, not innovation.
>>54261244
>audio signals are the same as those used in 3.5mm audio jacks
>It's clearly progress
>being able to get a mobo with 4x usb instead 6x audio out
sounds good to me
Nice, I won't have to spend more for extreme DJ engineer audio pro motherboards to have decent audio shielding.
>>54264327
>code monkey
>>54261358
how is a solid 3pin stereo input obsolete. It litterally never broke for me, while my friend bought multiple power cords for his iphone because
>quality
>>54263640
For DRM reasons of course.
>>54263688
Sweet, another cable to carry with me everywhere and lose.
>>54260908
>Using 3.5 mm jack for headphones
Good thing I don't use shitty headphones or shitty laptops anyway.
>>54263660
>Forgetting that an analog 3.5 jack has been out for fucking 30+ years
I would love having more than one USB-C port on my phone. 2 on the bottom for charging and USB drives and 2 on the top for video in/out and audio in/out. Couple that with Linux OS and you would have a full PC in your hands. But only if it's non DRM of course.
>>54260997
>Secure tripcode.
>>54273483
>tripcodes in general
>>54273337
What kind of headphones do you use then?
>>54273519
Bluetooth masterrace
>>54273519
Ones that use a 1/4th inch input because I do sound design and plug directly into my interface.
Same reason why component video cables were replaced with hdmi, so they can cripple intermediary copying devices.
All you have to do is use the headphone out on a stereo system and a mic in on another and you can make perfect copies of all your cassette tapes.
Is there actually any higher fidelity or benefit at all?
>>54273584
>>54273581
Literally the only reason. This is the future we chose.
>>54260997
>tripfag has an awful controversial opinion
who would've guessed
i hope you die in the most painful way possible
>>54262565
Its like 2006 all over again
>everyone wants a smaller phone! Just shrink it to the size of my thumb its perfect!
>>54262565
making your phone thinner is not useful anymore and only serves to make them more fragile at this point
>Macfags before removing headphone jacks
>my battery is almost dead nooooo
>I can't change my battery without costing like 300$
>New mac has no headphone jack
>macfags have less battery life since bluetooth eat battery life
Why is this allowed?
>>54273745
Because bluetooth 4 is such an energy hog.
Get a grip, that's not the issue.
Because DRM.
>>54260930
False equivalence, fuckface.
>>54273767
DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN
>>54273581
That would make piracy more difficult, though I'm not sure how much music is actually pirated by re-recording it via a headphone output.
Why it kinda works with HDMI/video is because the signal is crazy-high bandwidth and that makes it difficult to capture even if you try to open up a TV or something and tap it after it has been decrypted. It also ends up as varying voltage levels across some sort of pixel matrix, also difficult to capture and would require custom equipment at the very least.
Thing is audio is comparatively very simple and one way or another it generally ends up as 2 channels of analog audio, to drive your speakers. Either straight-up recording the speaker output of the device or opening it up and tapping something like the signal after the preamp is comparatively much, much easier to do. It would sure be a PITA though.
>>54264266
>[CURRENT_YEAR]
>having a disc drive in any of your computers
>>54273996
If you have a 5.25" bay there is absolutely no reason not to have one.
>>54273996
>>>>>>>>>his disk drive isn't in his dock's hot swap bay
>>54274037
>using a case with 5.25" bays
do you even minimalism
>>54273581
Because physical copies are what's killing the music industry.
Please.
>>54274037
I don't want to waste my neet bucks.
>>54274048
Of course not.
>>54274083
How do you not have a fucking optical drive lying around? I've got at least ten
>>54261371
Cugg :--DD audiophile pay more
>>54274064
You can't share a DRM'd file without removing the DRM first.
RIAA wants a music distribution system that will only work on RIAA-approved locked down hardware signed from the ground up, in order to prevent people from making copies that can be distributed. That won't work if you can just plug the speaker output into your workstation and record all the music for uploading to an ftp or torrent site.
Nothing is killing the music industry, every year it only gets bigger.
>>54274037
>not having a 5.25" floppy drive
what do you even live?
>>54263731
>lmao remember everyone acting like they burned 15 cds a day and it was required
I remember, in the 90's, my cousin telling me he burned like 5 cd/day. That's 150 per month where do you have so many.
lmao good days
>>54261782
I've broken several jacks that way.
If it's going to come unplugged either way, I would rather not ruin it.
>>54261116
Disregarding >>54261177's (reasonable) argument, standardization is it's own reward.
New audio ports being interchangeable with existing USB-C ports will be mildly convenient.
And more USB-C ports being used increases like likelihood of USB-C support for no-audio purposes.
>>54274260
If it's digital, it can and will be pirated.
>>54261032
Literally never happened to me
Try taking some Ritalin before handling electronics with your fat hands if you break them
>>54260984
>In their defense 3.5mm jacks are flimsy as shit, and the male connector is way too easy to break.
?!
There are many connectors I've heard described as flimsy, but 3.5mm TRC is not one of them.
>>54261056
>I have never had this happen to me and I've owned well over 100 different pairs of headphones in my time
same
>>54274426
You know that. I know that. RIAA executives don't want to believe that. The copyright industry is willing to try anything to stop piracy, and while it won't work it'll make things shit for everybody.
>>54274359
We've already standardized on 3.5mm
if usb-c can do analog audio then all you're really going to need is a $1 adaptor, so i'm all for this change. just gives you one more port to work with if you're not using headphones
>>54274553
>The copyright industry is willing to try anything to stop piracy, and while it won't work it'll make things shit for everybody.
DRM exists so that content creators have control over content distributors.
The end user is irrelevant in this arrangement.
>>54274562
>proprietary Apple adapter
>for $1
>>54274572
>DRM exists so that content creators have control over content distributors.
Including hardware manufacturers
>>>54274553 reading comprehension
They are trying to create a broader standard, one that encompasses more then just "audio".
>>54261400
>Anybody with decent headphones would have a DAC anyways
Anyone with headphones has a DAC
There's a DAC in every digital device with an analog output
>>54274572
>DRM exists so that content creators have control over content distributors.
Content creators are musicians. Distributors are the labels and mega-labels like sony bmg and universal music. How does DRM give musicians any power over the labels?
DRM is purely to give distributors power over the consumer, otherwise there would be no need to build it into consumer hardware and standards.
How do they pay you? per post? per hour?
>>54274632
usb-c is not a proprietary apple standard, fool
>>54274064
Well, it all starts with the ripping, no matter how you look at it. You record the media as it plays, or you strip its DRM.
Moving to an encrypted audio output would put ripping out of the hands of the general public, at least until the encryption is broken. A resourceful and technically skilled pirate could physically tap into the audio circuits and make a great-sounding recording, but that recording would probably be laced with traitor-tracing data that would make it easier to deter ripping, at least until the pirates catch up and beat the system.
It's not a matter of making a system unbreakable, it's a matter of making it take long enough to break to tide you over until you forcibly push out an update to fix the vulnerabilities. The inconvenience and uncertainty would be enough to win over a good chunk of would-be pirates who are afraid of getting caught or disappointed with delays or unavailability.
>>54274750
>pirate
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
I doubt it will catch on. I don't have a problem with it as a concept, just don't think it will go very far.
I have a set of cheapish, but sturdy and good sounding desktop headphones for my PC. If I'm out on the bike, I use wireless because of the number of wired headphones I've had ripped apart by my bike over the years is incredible.
But I've never snapped the jack on any set of headphones, I have no idea how anyone manages that. But I can guarentee this - if someone is ham-fisted enough to snap a 3.5mm jack, they will also be ham fisted enough to ruin a USB-C socket.
>>54274654
I'm aware of that, but that's dumb. Have fun when your headphones are used to root all of your devices. Follow the principal of least privilege.
>>54274750
The problem is that there are two kinds of pirate, the crackers who rip and the regular folk that just leech and share. It only takes a few dedicated crackers to rip pretty much everything released in a year, and of the pirates only crackers need to bother with DRM. crackers are basically puzzle addicts so the harder it is, the more they like it. thus, DRM does not deter unauthorized file sharing
The traitor-tracing data can be eradicated by using multiple copies of the same music, this was proven before the copyright industry even started using the technique.
>>54274777
it's become a term of endearment among file sharers. people think being a pirate is cool. It is.
They're going to replace everything with type c, aren't they? That'd be neat if it actually happened fast, but seeing as new standards that tried to become universal mostly fail and just become another standard, I'm pessimistic about this.
>>54274902
>people think being a pirate is cool. It is.
Maybe but copyright infringement is not piracy.
>>54262017
>Going by the sale of thin devices compare to fat ones, everybody
I can't believe you're that stupid. The reason why manufacturers produce thinner devices is because they save raw material costs.
>>54274777
I'm not a fan of Stallman's opinions on this matter. He makes a great exception for media works in his otherwise airtight ideology, and it doesn't hold water.
The same ideas that worked for the free software movement could do wonders for music - if people started building a virally expanding free cultural heritage, then it would have enough of a foothold to truly free people of their dependence on tyrannical media companies.
But instead, we get plenty of artists who are okay with copies and derivatives being made, but lack the GPL-like legal framework that legally frees other people to do that. We get a remixing scene where people operate in shady legal waters.
I wouldn't give half a fuck about RIAA and friends fighting piracy, if we had an alternative culture firmly rooted in the public domain or a Free Software bubble - just like the existence of GNU/Linux today saves me from worrying about the implications of pirating Windows.
>>54274996
Is there a GPL-like licence for music and other types of media?
>>54275024
Creative Commons offers (some) licenses that are similar to the GPL copyleft but CC is not perfect and some of their licenses are very restrictive.
>>54274996
The main point of the aforementioned article is not whether copyright infringement is morally acceptable or not, but that copyright infringement IS NOT PIRACY.
RIAA and friends are NOT fighting piracy. They are fighting copyright infringement.
Other than that, I agree, there is no perfect copyleft solution. Creative Commons is partially flawed
>>54263808
It's always been that way.
Analog audio ports aren't going to be replaced entirely in the next 15 years, no matter what intel does, simply because they do not control the audio market. And what happens when usb c is deprecated? USB C will become like iphone ports. Your children will point at it and ask "Hey dad, what's that ugly thing on the amplifier?", and you have to explain to them that you were an idiot who bought an expensive amplifier with a quickly deprecated connection, and you can't justify buying a new one because the amp is still good, and your sole relief will be that you didn't buy the one with a lightning plug. Or maybe you did, because you were a fucking idiot who believed in the USB type c hype even after the spectacle with the iphone port, so you're literally dumb enough to fall for the same meme over and over again.
>>54260908
Enjoy the DRM on your headphones anons !
>>54275148
USB C is a universal standard tho. Its not going away in 2 years
>>54261244
>Progress
Fucking how? It just changes the port shape and intrdouces another competing standard.
>BUT THIN
That's not progress retard. The only practical effect of smaller laptop components is fitting more in there.
>>54274996
His exceptions for media are what invalidates his beliefs and his use of copyright makes him a useful idiot
It's like /pol/ promoting free speech, but making exceptions for anti-racist ideas, and use a secret police force to shoot people who are suspected of infringing on other people's right to expression.
>>54274632
>magical Apple adapter
>gold plated with sound conditioning for clearer waveforms
only $27.99
plus $5.99 S&H
>>54275205
>universal standard
>nobody uses it except apple
pick one
>>54275024
I believe there is, and if there isn't, lawyers could be commissioned to write one.
The problem is the lack of adoption - GPL would be nothing without the corpus of valuable and functional GPL-licensed software. It's a positive feedback cycle - each additional GPL-licensed work attracts more people who in turn contribute additional GPL-licensed works.
To make it happen, there would have to be events equivalent to GNU and Linux coming under the GPL, seeding the GPL'd music scene with works that people would want to listen and reinterpret.
>>54275300
>>Nobody uses it except apple
Yet
>>54275322
Yeah we need a good band to promote this shit.
>>54275205
The 3.5mm audio ports have been around for 52 years. Tell me that USB c is going to be around for that long. Look me in the eye and tell me that USB c will be around in even 10 years time.
You realize, of course, that the point of this is making DRM with headphones possible
>HDCP sound edition
The old "audio out, audio in" ripping trick has annoyed purveyors of the useless arts for ages.
>>54260908
we do not need this shit, headphones are an analog siginal, going from usb-c to headphones would be entirely unnecessary and costly added expense for entirely no reason. Why dont they just come out with a headphone jack right next to the usb connector?
