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http://pastebin.com/hjHkKDyM
Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
Wireless is frowned upon.
Headset requests are frowned upon.
Isolation ≠ Noise cancellation
If you dislike a headphone suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, brand x sucks"
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
Link to old thread: >>54139728
>>54168688
Isolation is relevant when picking in-ears, contrary to the template.
When mentioning your previous pairs, please take some time to mention what you think about them. It helps figure us figure out what you want and what you don't like.
Amplifier/DAC checklist:
-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, don't get one.
>Budget
300$
>Location
Romania EU (but i have friend in America that can buy for me and then send it to Romania so country no big issue)
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
good if possible but sound more important
>Preferred tonal balance
???????
>Preferred music
Electronic and vocal ( i like clear vocals if possible)
>Past headphones
GRADO SR60e (Got the grado rattle out of the box horrible pair)
>>54169012
HE400S
>>54169012
Hd650 or 600
>>54169082
Will look into
>>54169143
From what i see they require amp i only have PC audio (thanks for the try tho)
I love my fidelio L1's, but I don't love the headband on them.
Is there a good way that doesn't look super shitty to make it more comfortable?
As it is it's too narrow and makes a bit of a pressure point over time.
Should I just pony up for some X1s/X2's?
>>54169260
If you dont already have an amp just get the hd558 or 598 and save up for a nicer audio system when you're ready. The majority of high end headphones require an amp. There are some exceptions
>>54168816
Where in the template does it state or imply that isolation is not relevant when picking IEMs?
>>54169467
I have been saving up for a long time and have made quite a few sacrifices in my budget 2 be able 2 save up 300 $ i feel like this is enough so i'm most likely gona go for HE400S thanks for the suggestion tho.
>>54169631
You will be back. They always come back
Is there a reason not to get LCD-X if I can afford it?
>>54169711
Yeah. Better headphones for less money are on the market.
>>54169730
>Better headphones
Elaborate?
>>54169711
They're heavy and uncomfortable. A lot of the price your paying is for r+D on the driver and fazor technology so the build quality is shit too. They sound good tho
>>54169455
Made the X2 leap, it was worth it. Not sure about mods for your L1 though>>54169455
>>54169711
>uncomfortable
>doesn't sound better than lcd-2
>>54169588
The part about closed and open. There are some in-ears that are very heavily vented, with minimal isolation.
>>54169810
>psyng is for r+D on the driver
>fazor technology
That's not quite right. The fazors are almost textbook design, which they have had issues implementing, the drivers were a poor concept from the start.
Never mind ruggedness, the workmanship is shoddy.
>>54170000
>The part about closed and open. There are some in-ears that are very heavily vented, with minimal isolation.
This part?
>Open or closed (Skip if you want IEMs.)
So, I need some IEMs.
>Budget
30$~40$
>Source
Phone (Moto G 2014)/ 3DS
>Preferred type of headphone
I need IEMs, so, IEM.
>Comfort level
Whatever, I just don't want them falling from my ears (I have this problem with earbuds).
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat as possible.
>Preferred music
Almost everything, but mainly OSTs, weebshit, classical/orchestrated, rock (all kinds of rock), night metal, metal, etc. The only thing I don't hear frequently are electronic bullshit.
>Past headphones
Currently Sennheiser HD558 (which I love) and Superlux HD 681 I used for two years, currently resting in peace.
So, what are my options, anons?
>>54169012
AKG K702/Q701. Amazing clarity and details for the price it's sold, bass is light, but you can solve this issue pretty easily through proper EQ. Buy a E10K or a E11 to power them properly and you should be well within the limits of your budget.
>>54170190
>30$~40$
>I need IEMs, so, IEM.
>Flat as possible.
Good luck. At that price range I believe they are universally bottom heavy.
>>54169806
I can think of sub 200 euro options which I'd pick over LCD-X even if that was priced similarly. Frankly, I think LCD-X is shit, worse than the LCD-2 which is also not at all what I'd want and all of the LCD series is too heavy, uncomfortable with poor build quality considering the price.
>>54170190
Save up a little for Ety Kids or more for the Ety MK5.
>>54170190
Sennheiser cx300ii are my go to sub $100 iem
>>54170248
Well shit. Isn't there at least an option which the bass doesn't fucks up everything?
>>54170301
>>54170284
Thanks, I'll see what to do.
>Budget
yeah
>Location
really
>Source
don't have one
>Preferred type of headphone
wut
>Open or closed
depends
>Comfort level
quite
>Preferred tonal balance
deep
>Preferred music
death metal & kpop
>Past headphones
some
random sony earbud that that had a little dial case that you cranked to roll them into, senn hd 558 and m2, lg quadbeat 2
>>54170544
>>Budget
>yeah
Stopped reading here.
>>54170544
This looks like an deformed penis
>>54170658
>a
fixed
>>54170544
Stax sr-009
currently looking for decent iems.
choices are:
> ATH-IM70
> ????
any suggestions /g/?
>>54170544
sennheiser he1060
>>54170693
not even a top3 headphone anymore
>Budget
Endgame.
>Location
America
>Source
Fiio e10k
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized.
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
I will be wearing them all day so they should be pretty comfy but I don't want to compromise too much on the sound quality either
>Preferred tonal balance
Warm/bassy
>Preferred music
Mostly just rock and anime/vocaloid stuff
>>54170863
Mr. Speakers Ether
tfw made in austria k701
>>54171167
>having dents in your skull
>>54171167
>tfw who cares because the china made 702 is better in every single way.
Literally, friend.
>>54171226
>buying chink crap
WHERE CAN I FIND X2's IN CANADA
>>54171226
But they are the original waifu phones
The chink shit can't even compare
>>54171338
get the SHP9500's instead
>>54171380
I prefer something with more bass
>>54170863
HD800S, the warmer brother to the HD800
The HD650 is far cheaper though and could be considered end game by some.
>>54171293
>Buying ugly white headphones with uncomfortable headband bumps and a non detachable cable
kek
>>54171543
>can't afford quality made products over chink garbage
>>54171570
I use an o2 amp which is considerably more than the e10k that everyone uses for these headphones.
Try again.
>>54170190
>>54170301
The CX 300 II are not flat, though. Literally one of the bassiest IEMs I've ever tested.
If you're going to recommend a Sennheiser IEM under $100, the CX 5.00 is supposed to have much more balanced and detailed sound.
For < $40, the older 200/250 have a similar sound signature to the 300 II, but with tighter bass response and better instrument separation.
If balanced/natural (rather than neutral) is really important, the Piston 3 is also a great option. It might fall out more easily, though.
>>54171585
>considerably more
how adorable, the babby thinks his entry level gear is relevant
>>54171631
>he uses a more expensive amp than the o2 for his B-tier 702's.
Fucking hell what a waste.
>>54171702
>thinks i own garbage headphones like AKGs
lol cute
>Budget
$100
>Location
USA
>Source
Fiio e10k
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
8hr+
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat
>Preferred music
EDM, classical, math rock
>Past headphones
Some rqndom $100 sony and NVX XPT100s
I really want to get my hands on some open headphones and have been thinking on the SHP9500 or 558.
>Location
UK
>Budget
No more than £50 (=$71)
>Source
Desktop PC
>Usage
Mainly music and general video watching etc, some gaming (not a big deal)
>Requirements for Isolation
None (see below)
>Will you be using these Headphones in Public?
Only at home
>Preferred Type of Headphone
Full-sized, preferably over-ear, on-ear also acceptable
>Preferred tonal balance
I'm not an audiophile so... Makes absolutely no difference to me :'(
>Past headphones
Currently the cheapest Argos headphones namely Sony ZX310. Obviously, I want an upgrade.
>Preferred Music
Jazz, Rock, Electronic (This won't be a good guideline because I listen to many many genres)
>What would you like to improve on from your set-up
MY NEW HEADPHONES MUST EITHER BE WIRELESS OR HAVE A 2m+ CABLE
>>54171713
Well yeah, I thought you were the other guy I was talking to.
Please tell me you have a tube amp kek
What is a audiophile?
>>54171816
autismopedofool
>>54171731
HD558
>>54171731
SHP9500: can't replace pads, works with vmoda boomrpo
HD 558: shit build quality, bad quality control, slightly higher fidelity
their sound signature is more or less the same. both are comfy too.
>>54171743
Takstar HI2050. the cable is 2.2m
>>54172014
>bad quality control
558 have better driver matching than the SHP9500
>>54171816
Someone who is enthusiastic about audio
>>54172014
>shit build quality, bad quality control
uwotm8?
I had a beater pair of 558's (gave them away to a friend once I got 598se) I treated them like shit. Brought them to work every day, threw them in a backpack, dropped them on concrete, hell even threw them down on concrete several times. They were subjected to dust, water and extreme heat (ended up melting the outside a little bit). They still work great, sound amazing, and havent even shown much sign of wear besides where it accidentally got melted from the heat. My friend still uses them.
I have since started using IEM's at work. Althought the 558 were comfy enough to wear 8+ hours a day with no problems.
>>54172118
>I had a beater pair of 558's (gave them away to a friend once I got 598se)
so you essentially bought another pair of more expensive hd558s
>>54172067
the units with poor driver matching don't
>>54172118
don't believe a single word of what you said
>>54172149
yeah. I even tested them side by side (I did the foam mod on my 558), they are fucking identical in sound 598. I suppose you're getting a nicer leather headband and metal instead of mesh on the ear cups. I got them on sale for less than I paid for the 558 though, so I'm happy.
>>54172118
Careful lad there are people in these threads who literally believe Sennheiser build quality is somehow bad and won't have it any other way.
>>54170956
>>54171425
Thanks.
>>54171816
Anyone who buys headphones other than AKG Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic
>>54173218
>Anyone who buys headphones other than AKG Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic . . . is a pioneer
What is High Resolution audio? Is it a meme?
>>54173430
yes
>>54173430
>High Resolution
Don't fall for Sony marketing
>>54173430
>What is High Resolution audio?
24-bit (bit depth) 192 kHz (sample rate)
>Is it a meme?
Yes
>Debunked in theory
https://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
>Debunked in practice
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/06/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-i.html
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/06/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-ii.html
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/07/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-iia-20.html
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/07/24-bit-vs-16-bit-audio-test-part-iii.html
>>54173563
http://drewdaniels.com/audible.pdf
This too.
>>54173541
It's not just Sony, Audio Technica and Oppo have some High Resolution audio stuff too.
>>54173879
Sony came up with that stupid label and concept of 24/96 or 24/192 being 'High-Res'
Can blame Sony and Philips for the meme that is DSD too.
>>54170206
Not him but the E10k is good for the q701s? Just ordered a pair and doing some research on dacs, and the E10k sounds too good to be true
Philips SHP9500 sounds better then HD600?
https://youtu.be/aipXii-qWiQ?t=9m46s
>Budget
1000
>Source
Schiit stack
>Usage
Entirely music
>Preferred type
Over ear open
>Tonal balance
Neutral with a warm tilt with god tier mids and treble that's not extremely rolled off. Bass is not that important but I want good extension
>Preferred music
Jazz, Classical, Sunshine Pop, Slowcore, Post Rock, Krautrock, Shoegaze, Dream Pop
LCD2? How bad is the comfort?
>>54174680
>LCD2?
yes
>How bad is the comfort?
unusable by default
god tier with a suspension strap
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182066171338
http://kron4.com/2015/08/25/man-arrested-in-santa-cruz-county-for-sex-acts-with-two-of-his-daughters/
So why aren't you supporting rapists by buying the best DACs in the game? Only $90k for the Select II, hear every microdetail from the screams of his daughters.
>>54174908
Another white child molester. Whites should be sent back to Europe.
>>54174680
It's okay-ish, as a non owner. The padding is thick, which does a good job at distributing pressure. Beware of headband pressure and clamp.
Personally, it wasn't too heavy, so much as it has momentum. It bounces around as I shake my head, or slides around if I am not sitting upright. There are much more comfortable headphones around.
>>54174116
>E10k sounds too good to be true
How so?
>>54174680
Hd650
>>54174116
The e10k is a fantastic amp+dac combo for your 701's.
Buy it and don't look back. Welcome to the non insane end game.
Is O2 a endgame amp? What's the difference of the O2 compared to a more expensive solid state amp? Is O2 entry level?
>>54175775
it's endgame in terms of sound quality.
it's pretty lack luster in other areas.
>>54175775
I own the O2 amp and it's brilliant, Look into it and the creator 'nwavguy'.
The amp is neutral, powerful as fuck and priced well.
Honestly imo you are entering the insane dead end world of the audiophile if you want 'more'.
Good headphones+ o2 amp+ ANY DAC= done.
>>54175883
Lack luster how? What's missing?
>>54175909
>What's missing?
more input and output options. everything is on the front too and it makes the ergonomics bad because that's where the volume knob is. on top of that, it starts hissing after a while when you turn it because dust gets stuck in there.
>>54176078
>2005
>2013
not exactly new stuff
>>54176224
By all means, offer up something fresh. It's not like audio isn't stale.
>>54176312
the mega link on the wiki contains plenty of 2015 articles
Sound pretty gud
>>54171401
HE 400i is a little more expensive, its sub bass isn't rolled off and remains very close to mids. Doesn't have elevated mid bass like the X2s though.
The K7xx has mid bass that is slightly elevated but not to the extent of the X2. More neutral sounding.
There is audio quest night hawk but that would probably far exceed your desired budget. Has much better bass than X2 but looks way dark sounding.
>>54176627
>proffessional
>studio quality
>high definition
>noise cancelling
Any other marketing meme jargon I've missed?
>>54169082
This
I have em rn
Boi do they sound sekushi especially with an amp and dac
>>54170544
>>Budget
>yeah
fuck off
will I see a big difference (worth my money) upgrading from 558 to dt880s? Also, will it require an amp/dac? If so, which one is good and relatively inexpensive?
>>54177578
>gaming
>surround sound
DON'T JUMP, ROOMBA. YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH TO LIVE FOR!
>>54171338
I bought a pair off ebay recently from the "bad batch"
only way to save money with our shit fucking dollar.
i own pioneer se-a1000's
looking to get the earpads replaced(grey velvet ones would be nice)
where do i get ones that will fit
>>54177578
>>54178102
>audiophile
Idk, find out yourself u fag
>>54178382
He's right though.
>>54178384
0/10
>>54178403
Spot the retard self-identifying as an 'audiophile'.
>>54178418
Why are you posting? You're bullshit bait has been called for what it is. Are you an immature child with an irresistible need to have the last word? Let's find out.
You are going to provide yet another shitpost. Then I'll post "It almost hurts to be right so often." Then you'll shitpost yet again.
>>54178456
>it's this AKG shill again
lol welcome back
>>54178513
It almost hurts to be right so often.
>>54178535
yes you've posted this same shitty string of shitposting countless times already when you can't come up with a valid response. we've seen it all before AKG shill.
>Budget
Around $100, more or less.
>Source
PC, Samsung S6
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I'll be using them in long sessions so I value comfort but if I can get better sound quality for a bit less comfort then that's fine.
>Preferred music
Electronic and vaporwave
https://rbt.asia/g/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22It+almost+hurts+to+be+right+so+often%22
Reminder not to reply to this blatant shitposter.
>>54178598
Also what about open back headphones?
>>54178915
Closed DT770.
Open X2.
>>54178598
XPT100
whats the next upgrade path after the K701/HD650/DT880 etc?
>>54179117
Speakers, HD800, Ether.
>>54179117
Diminishing returns. But based on your past headphones you may like the hd800S or the lcd-2 or lcd-x
>>54179117
HD800, Ether, LCD-2
>>54178915
If there isn't anything else I would get open ones.
>>54179084
These look pretty nice though, think I'm gonna get them.
How about a little bump?
Is sennheiser mm70i a good product? Please help.
>>54180926
Fill out the form
>Budget
$100 to $125AU (happy to import though)
>Location
Australia
>Source
PC, iPhone DAC
>Preferred type of headphone
over-ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
soft cups so I can keep on for about an hour at a time
>Preferred tonal balance
analytical/even
>Preferred music
ambient, metal, glitchy stuff
>Past headphones
K66
Are M50x a good direction to consider going?
>>54180989
>Are M50x a good direction to consider going?
no.
>>54180989
Can you get m50x on your budget?
>>54180989
M40x is better and cheaper. Just save a little more.
http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/audio-technica-ath-m40x-professional-headphones
>>54179117
Pretty much >>54179139 >>54179169 >>54179186
Any of these sound great, the only difference is how you like your sound, the Senns are bright, while planars are darker, although the Ether is considered relatively bright.
>>54181417
EQ is a given either way.
>>54180989
>>54181040
Yes. Ignore the memers, M50X is a good headphone.
I
>>54180989
MDR-7056
>>54181762
7506 even, fuck
Okey guys. I am ready to shell 1200$ on hd800, but then I will not have money to buy food next month. If they will be shit, I will write very angry response and annihilate audiophiles asses around 4chan.
>>54182433
Music is food for the soul. Good luck.
>>54182433
Go get HD800s yow can find them for about 1200$ and they fix same issues also if yow know where 2 buy yow can get hd800 for 900$-1000$ if you lucky.
>>54182525
I can't. Hd800s in my country cost about 2300-2500$
>>54182540
I am sorry to hear that
Can't you import?
>>54182433
Audiophiles know how to read measurements and would never recommend them.
>>54179117
Either EQ or a couple of speakers. More expensive headphones are a joke.
>>54182540
Dang it's the opposite where I am, the Senns are really cheap, while Audeze are twice the MSRP.
>>54182433
I think you can find HD800's for like $800-900 now that many owners are switching to the 800S.
>>54182718
Even going just by measurements there are things to dislike about any headphone, however since most high-end cans offer a very clean slate, there's little that you can't make them sound like with EQ or even mods.
What the 800's do have going for them are comfort and the that you don't need an especially powerful amp.
>>54182783
Some people already have nice speakers, but it's not always viable to use them. If they're large and full-range, it means you need to dedicate room space and time just to listen to music, which no one does anymore; the age of big TVs and sound systems is over. If they're small enough to be used at the computer, then it's still only viable to use them only when you're actually at the computer, which judging by the state of things, people are doing less of as they move to portable and mobile devices. And of course I very regularly listen to music late at night, and the old lady downstairs would have a fit every time I fired up my speakers if I did that.
Is the ODAC+O2 combo worth £200?
>>54182663
I can, but custom duty is 32% over 150 euro. Or I can lower price in parcel to 140 euro and hope customs will not notice or it will be stolen/ broken as insurance will only cover those 140 euro.
>>54182996
Not in my country anon. there only 2 HD800 on auction with broken cords and scratches. One cost 1050$, second is 1200$
>>54183487
Yes.
>>54183390
>there's little that you can't make them sound like with EQ or even mods.
>What the 800's do have going for them are comfort and the that you don't need an especially powerful amp.
Same applies to headphones 1/5 of the price of HD 800.
![square_louped_hd_598_01_sq_sennheiser[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/X8DmG5e.png "square louped hd 598 01 sq sennheiser[1]")
I heard that the HD558 and 598 use the same drivers and if you remove some piece of plastic from the 558 they will sound identical to the 598.
IS IT TRUE?
>>54183584
Yes, it's true, but having the same driver does not automatically mean the headphones sound the same. The housing has to be identical too, which in the case of HD 558 and 598, it is.
Also, it's a piece of foam, not a piece of plastic. It's called the foam mod.
>>54183488
Not much to do then in terms of saving... at least you should try or buy them at a store that allows returns. The place I bought mine at allowed me to audition a whole bunch of stuff.
>>54183580
Possibly, but better things can be made better still.
>>54183488
IDK a lot about custom duty prices but can't you tell the seller 2 mark it as 20$ pack of ketchup (or alternatives)?
Scam the jews.
And 150$+1200$=/=2300$-2500$
it's still a huge win if you import.
>>54183617
>Possibly
Most definitely.
>>54183488
I think you are expecting way too much from and will be disappointed.
If you are paying euros, shouldn't there not be such an exorbitant customs fee from other place within the eurozone?
Recommend me headphones.
Music genres:
Classical
Trance (Uplifting mostly)
Eurodance and Italodance and general EDM including japanese eurobeat & vocaloid garbage
Orchestral Soundtracks / Epic (i.e. TSFH)
Instrumental stuff, mostly piano and violin stuff
Movies + gaming
Budget:
Max 150€
Sound signature:
I like V shaped sound with crisp highs, details and deep but not overpowering bass. I also like a big soundstage. Isolation is not required. All thing considered I would prefer a versatile headphone which responds well to EQ since my genres are too different and some are bass heavy and some vocal so mids are important as well. I don't have and don't plan to buy an amp. Source would be PC or laptop or phone. Circumaural only.
Thanks.
>>54183671
Your best bet is DT 990, but you might not be able to drive them without an amp.
>>54183519
Where in the UK should I be buying it, anyone know?
>>54183716
These cost 150€. Which amp should I get for the lowest price possible?
>>54183787
You shouldn't really buy an amp before you're sure that you need one. It also depends on if you need it for your PC, laptop or phone, as some amps are portable and others are not.
>>54183740
Epiphany Acoustic is one seller.
>>54183787
You wouldn't likely need one with the 32 ohm version.
990 pro version should cost less than 150.
>>54183831
>You wouldn't likely need one with the 32 ohm version.
This version costs 250€.
Is there another similar offering that doesn't require an amp?
>>54183858
>require an amp
Truthfully speaking, that's not something you can be too sure of until you get the product. The point of an audio amplifier is to make things louder, but there's no way we can know how loudly you want to listen.
There's the DT 770 and a few other things I really can't be bothered to remember right now.
>>54183831
Epiphany Acoustics closed in January.
>>54168688
i got some old headphones that are otherwise good but they got a loose contact ... is that easily fixed? advice / links/ howtos very welcome
How do I fix a broken headphone jack?
>>54169082
>HE400S
according to specs it has 22 Ohm impedance, why do I need an amp ?
>>54184119
>How do I fix a broken headphone jack
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How%20do%20I%20fix%20a%20broken%20headphone%20jack
>Budget
$50-$100
>Location
Germany
>Source
PC and Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I use them about 12 hours a day so I need them to be quite comfy
>Preferred music
Mostly base-heavy music, but wether it has that much base or not doesn't really affect me.
>Past headphones
Two Sony MDR-XB600's. The audio quality seemed fine to me but both of them broke because they're made of some shit plastic.
>>54184199
Low impedance means high current, however while many low-impedance headphones are also sensitive (such as IEMs), planar-magnetic headphones tend to have very low sensitivity, meaning these need both high voltage and current to get them to proper listening levels. You really need an amp to do that.
>>54183669
I am in Ukraine. Most of the items getting bought from EU, then they pay customs and slam + 20-30% over the price for profit
>>54183625
2300 for HD800s. HD800 cost 1300-1400.
I can jew the system. I bought a lot of goods from US by decreasing parcel price, but that was with 300 euro limit. With 150 euro it is more of a hassle and it is a gamble as parcel can be stolen or annihilated when transported.
>>54184199
The impedance is irrelevant, but no, you don't need an amp for HE400S.
>>54184225
XPT100
You should consider spending more money on something you use 12 hours a day if you aren't perfectly happy with what you got.
Headphones are a meme, they pretty much max out at 70$, anybody saying anything else works for a manufacturer. Used to own HD350 and X2 but went back to SHP9500 since sound is very nice on them and a proper stereo sound system is waaaaaaaaaaaaay better for music and movies, 2.1 god like
>>54184263
looking at the specs 98db is actually pretty good sensitivity for planars, but I wonder if they had to sacrifice something to achieve that...
>>54183584
All of them can be modded to sound pretty identical, even the HD518 (I call it the grill mod, when you remove the caps on the side and put a grill there instead). Verified against a friends 598, slighly boomier the 518, but no real big diff.
>>54184396
It's just the natural progression for planar technology.
Oppo PM-3 are even more efficient.
>>54184476
I've read that the PM-3 are steaming shit though.
>>54184506
Where did you read that?
>>54184524
Don't quite remember, it was a while ago, maybe even here.
>>54184629
>maybe even here.
Probably a troll or a shill then.
PM-3 are criminally underrated.
>>54184396
You really need to look at voltage sensitivity. Most of the time, sensitivity is given in terms of Watts, so you would need to look at the impedance to figure out sensitivity properly.
There are probably a few things they did that came out as compromises (tighter magnet spacing, compliance), but I can't validate any of the potential ideas without a pair to tear apart. It seems very likely that they did mess around with the compliance.
How good is that TEAC DAC/AMP up on massdrop? What kind of speakers would I want to grab?
This one has no sub out though if I want to get one. A decent pair of speakers may be enough to take care of that need though.
Senn HD 600 or Philips X2 ?
>>54185326
X2 easy:
Wider sound, better balanced, no veil, sturdier etc...
>>54185356
thanks, ordering it right now.
>Budget
Less than 40usd shipped
>Location
United states
>Source
PC, lg g4
>Preferred type of headphone
In ear/earbud
>Open or closed
Either
>Comfort level
Performance over comfort but as comfy as possible 5-8hrs a day
>Preferred tonal balance
Slightly warm but closer to neutral
>Preferred music
Nigger rap and light gaming
>Past headphones
Skullcandy inkd2
Considering the rock zircons or kz ate
>>54185326
HD 600 easily
>>54185326
Get the 600's if you like a more neutral sound signature. If you are more into "colorful" sounding headphones go for the X2's.
>>54185429
lg quadbeat 3 tuned by akg
http://clarityfidelity.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/lg-quadbeat-3-tuned-by-akg-iem.html
>Budget
150€
>Location
Sweden
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Don't know which i prefer so disregard this
>Comfort level
I spend a long time by my computer so i'd like some comfort. Size is important because my ears are big.
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music
Country, 80s rock, 80s pop, metal
>Past headphones
Steelseries Siberia
>>54185626
AKG K612
Get a FiiO E10K if your PC can't drive them.
>>54185881
Thanks. Are they better than sony mdr 7506?
What are your favorite headphones to use on the go that aren't in ear monitors? I use AKG K240 at home and I bought a pair of Brainwavz Delta to give IEMs another try after several years of not using them and I still don't like them, they're too small and flimsy and fall out of your ears and break easily and all that shit.
I don't really care if they're open or closed as long as they don't leak sound, have decent noise cancellation and don't feel like your head is being squished. Budget is around $100 or less.
i might have to replace my soundmagic e10s, what's a good replacement for them at similar price range?
>>54186021
Yes.
Looking to upgrade
What's the next step up, family?
>using predominantly for tracking/ mixing spoken word for podcasting and video editing, and occasionally tracking for actual music.
>>54186150
You don't need better headphones for those things.
>>54186266
You'd be surprised.
They're not as accurate as people make them out to be. Sure, they're pretty good, but when you're trying to mix 3+ voices and not have shit compression, it's an issue. I don't want listeners to have to adjust their volume every time one person speaks. Also, I need a second pair for my cohost to monitor with, and I'll use whatever I decide to get.
Got these dt990s on CL and didn't realize the 3.5mm is cracked.
Is there anyway to fix this without taking it all apart?
>>54186327
The mids are extremely accurate. You could use EQ to fix the treble.
>>54186090
Another E10
>>54186404
They're overbassed, is the biggest problem I find.
But, yeah, the mids are spot on
>>54186461
Too much bass? Sounds to me like you have a defective pair. The bass should be rolled off.
>Budget
200$
>Location
US
>Source
Fiio X3/DAC
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
either, as i will end up getting a pair of both at some point
>Comfort level
hopefully a good balance, i thought comfort usually depended on individual head shape
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music
20th century classical, jazz (primarily modal for engaged listening), prog rock, I'll also say Bob Dylan
>Past headphones
Currently using sennheiser HD 515
>>54187009
K612
>>54185881
>FiiO E10K
Would it be better to buy one of those or put a good soundcard in the pc?
>>54186347
I'd just cut it off and solder a new jack on there.
>>54187234
Sound cards should be avoided.
>>54187228
how about closed? K550?
>>54187271
Why?
I have never heard of this before.
>>54187272
Depends on the size of your head. They are prone to sealing issues.
K550/551/553 are more or less the same.
>>54187308
It has something to do with electrical interference from the other components creating noise. I can't remember the exact technical explanation. A lot of popular sound card also perform poorly when measured.
Bought K451 today, did I fuck up /hpg/?
>give me flac playlist to burn it
>>54187338
But you think AKG is the way to go? for my first real headphone purchase, this sounds fucking stupid but I don't really like the visual appearance of the K612s because of the two wire bands on the top, I have worn and liked the K550s but I have come to understand why open would have better sound. How fucking stupid am i being for caring about appearance though.
Help lads
>Budget
$100 - $150
>Location
US
>Source
Steinburger UR22
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
5 hours of use daily, so yeah average/well balanced
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music
Jazz, Blues, Prog Rock, Hard Rock and some Metal
>Past headphones
None atm.
>>54187246
I've never soldered anything in my life. Is there an article on how to do this? On these headphones, specifically?
>>54187354
I always burn to Beethoven's 9th
>>54187394
>But you think AKG is the way to go?
Yeah, if you want closed headphones and the best sound quality with a $200 budget. The only competitor would be DT250 which also have sealing issues.
>I have worn and liked the K550s
If you did not have any problems getting a good seal, you might as well go for them.
As for the appearance, yes, it's a bit silly to care about if you're only going to be using them at home, which I assume since they're open headphones.
>>54187447
It's easy, just go to youtube and watch a few videos on soldering. Remember to tin the iron's tip and let it heat up before trying to make/break a joint.
>>54187009
Get a HD558 or 598 if you want a sennheiser similar sound but a massive upgrade to your 515
>>54186150
Get some open backs
>>54184261
>HD800 cost 1300-1400.
You can find them new for under $1000 now. Used you save even more.
>>54186431
i thought /g/ had turned against e10s due to lack of graphs
>>54187648
there is a graph from innerfidelity but not on the main measurements page it's on the allheadphones.pdf
>>54187526
These DT250? http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-DT-250-80OHM-Lightweight-Headphone-Applications/dp/B0002V9EA4
are they closed?
>>54187737
Yes and yes.
>>54186150
What are you doing with the mini korg? I have one but I seriously suck at it. Nice setup, btw
>>54187774
Honestly, I'm speaking with not much experience on what a good seal would be. I'll look into it.
>>54187834
It means that the cups are pressing against your head in all areas. A broken seal results in a lack of bass.
People with smaller heads can't get a good seal on K550 because of the size of the cups.
>>54187818
Thanks senpai.
I primarily use it for the omni sampler in MX7 as a soundboard, now, but I sometimes use it to track MIDI for shitty music, mess around with auto tune on some segments of the cast, and learning music theory, where it's simpler to see the notes laid out in front of you.
>>54187896
what's your podcast?
>just bought pic related in mint condition
thoughts?
>>54187673
this one?
does it look good? i have no idea what it all means
>>54183595
top kek
>>54187922
I don't like to shill, but it's SOGOpod.
Actually just released a new Ep with OnlyAfro, the darksouls Giantdad guy from YouTube
Can IEMs sounds better/as good as closed/open headphones?
Personally I prefer my IEMs for electronic music over my headphones.
What do you call the "muddiness" factor of headphones, and what influences it? I'm not sure how to describe it. It's almost like the difference between a half-plugged-in audio jack and a fully plugged in one, or the difference with surround sound software and without.
I want to say it has to do with isolation but I have two open backed headphones, and the sound of one is significantly more "full" than the other. This is driving me crazy.
>>54188437
>Can IEMs sounds better/as good as closed/open headphones?
At a higher cost.
>>54186538
Don't think so, I also have 7506's that I use when recording and the bass is fairly bloated on them, but it makes it easy to spot rumbling and other LFE crap on location and set your low cuts appropriately.
For additional monitoring I use HD800's, the comparatively rolled-off bass and razor-sharp presentation make them great for picking apart recordings after the fact.
>>54188581
>Muddy - Not clear. Weak harmonics, smeared time response, I.M. distortion.
>>54187636
Where? All online shops selling them for 33k hryvna (it is 1350$). Not everyone has luxury to live in US.
>>54188581
>What do you call the "muddiness" factor of headphones, and what influences it? I'm not sure how to describe it. It's almost like the difference between a half-plugged-in audio jack and a fully plugged in one, or the difference with surround sound software and without.
In headphones, usually a poor frequency response, generally distantly followed by nonlinear distortion.
Those examples you provide are of phase cancellation/polarity mismatch and reverberation/echo.
>>54188437
>IEMs sounds better/as good as closed/open headphones?
Perhaps. Frequency response is key as usual.
>>54188581
If we look away from technical issues, what is typically described as "mud" is when the bass blends into the mids. See pic.
>>54188615
Do you also experience bloated bass when listening to music? If not, the problem could be the microphone you use for recordings.
>>54188581
It could be a number of factors, primarily centered on frequency response. Assuming the recording itself has a good deal of spatial information, the headphone's ability to deliver that information accurately will enhance the effect, so a headphone with ruler-flat frequency, a well-defined square wave and no distortion will offer superior "imaging" to a heavily colored headphone.
Our ears pick up on numerous cues about the "environment" the sound is coming from, with even tiny variations in the signal as it reaches each ear potentially throwing off our perception, and since each person has unique ears, they may actually perceive different headphones as having different spatial characteristics, which is why music is often inherently recorded with enough spatial ambiguity so that it sounds good whether played back on speakers, headphones, or whatever shape ears you may have.
>>54188720
It's actually less bloated on the mic since I cut the low frequencies, but as far as mastered music is concerned, it's what I'd recommend for people who like thick bass.
>>54188604
>>54188707
I don't quite get it.
Could you list why IEMs underperform against their same priced open/closed headphones competition?
>>54189126
>Could you list why IEMs underperform against their same priced open/closed headphones competition?
Yes but it is likely not worth the time and effort. Simplest way to put it would likely be pointing out how miniaturization of any tech increases costs.
>>54189185
What I am trying to tell you is:
My 20$ IEMs sound better than my 20$ headphones.
>>54189301
That assumes price is representative of quality in headphones. This is a foolish assumption.
>>54189437
I am not saying IEMs sounds better overall.
But lets put it this way. In budget range 20-30$ IEMs are value kings?
>>54189484
You've just moved the goalposts.
I'd say Koss KSC75 are the value kings. IEMs in that price range tend to be bloated bass heavy buds.
>>54189126
>Could you list why IEMs underperform against their same priced open/closed headphones competition?
They don't underperform at all, depending on how you evaluate them.
The size of the space relative to the range of hearing simplifies acoustics greatly. It mostly simplifies to a tube, and complex wave effects are shifted to the very upper edge of hearing. The big deal with wave bevavior and in-ears is the frequency of the canal length resonance(s), which is just how deep you wear the earpiece.
In-ears are typically more linear and have superior bass extention. High frequency extension usually is weaker.
When you take the linearity and remove the wave interaction effects that headphones have, equalization works extremely well to manipulate the sound balance in however you would want.
The small size does limit what can be done acoustically to adjust the sound, and what electrical components can be stuffed into an earpiece.
>>54189042
Your problem is too strange for me to be able to help you. Just to be absolutely clear: we're talking about the Sony MDR-7506 headphones, right?
>>54189736
Yep, I've owned two of them, bought at a reputable store, and I consider them to be on the bassy side. Not the thick distorted bass of something like Grados, but definitely above what I would like for casual listening. I'm not saying they have deep bass extension, it's just hyped.
>>54183595
>>54187981
What the fuck is happening in these pictures?
>>54189983
snek hissssss
>>54190025
It looks gross
>>54190025
Couldn't they just use ferrite beads for that?
>>54190025
>>54187981
>>54183595
This is the most retarded shit I've ever seen
why is it so fuckin difficult to find bluetooth earbuds, just classic earbuds shape, not the modern in-ear-canal earpluggy stuff, but the oldschool earbuds that just sit in the earlobe.
All the modern in-ear-canal earphones are way too uncomfortable for me and cant be forced to fit.
I just bought a HD 598.
What amp/sound card would you guys recommend if I want 5.1/7.1 positional audio in my games?
>>54190160
Razer Surround, no hardware.
>>54190125
sure plebs can't appreciate the sound difference. as a true audiophile I can.
>>54190139
>All the modern in-ear-canal earphones are way too uncomfortable for me and cant be forced to fit.
You've never used foamies? You don't force them to fit.
>>54189875
I've been looking at a few more measurements and I did find one showing them as being bassy.
If you EQ down the bass by 5 dB at 70 Hz, it should fix the problem.
>>54190230
yes
>>54190279
silly question, when i'm eq'ing, based on a graph like this, where it dips, I eq down, where it rises, I eq up (based on the freq it dips or rises at) to get close to a flat line/
>>54190868
>where it dips, I eq down, where it rises, I eq up (based on the freq it dips or rises at) to get close to a flat line/
Yes, that's exactly it. As a disclaimer, Goldenears' early graphs are somewhat odd.
>>54190943
just did a whole eq on sansa clip zip w/rockbox based on >>54187972 and bah gawd what have i been missing...
>i may have cut off a bit too much treble but still
my ears are cumming
best pads for the k240?
So i have a pair of Pioneer Monitor 10s and I connect them to a Pioneer SX-750 through a Aux to RCA cable what would be better, or am i good?
got recommended 4 headphones, 1 out of price range,so i could afford these
AKG 702
sennheiser 600
beyer dt 880
after a lot of searching, i managed to find one shop that sold
akg 702
sennheiser 650
beyer dt770
i had to buy today,in cash,and store, i bought senn hd 650, how'd i do, loving them by the way, even though notebook and 160 gb ipod classic for now
>>54192428
Glad you're enjoying your new headphones. Let's hope they don't snap.
>>54192580
snap? the band on top? they do feel tight,like they are squeezing my head, but i presume because they are new
>>54192428
You made the right choice. Easily the best headphones out of both lists there, followed by DT880 and then a huge gap leaving the rest behind.
>>54192647
Yeah, the clamp will loosen up over time. Don't try to stretch them.
>>54190025
are those fucking wires in there or is it air?
>>54192956
This.
My hd650 are the comfiest ever, they have formed to my head now. I can wear them all day and forget I'm even wearing them. Also they sound sexual
>>54190160
Surround sound is a gimmick, it will sound better by just using the headphones as intended. A lot of games like csgo have a headphone option in the menu. The motherboard should be fine for the hd598, they don't need an amp. If you really want more out of them go ahead and get an external amp and DAC for a small boost in audio quality and sound.
What sound quality can I expect out of: Grado SR225e + Asus Xonar DSX + ALSA?
>>54187950
You bought something. Congrats.
Whats the name of those value IEMs that are like <30
>>54193169
$50 worth of fidelity
>>54193343
Piston 3?
>>54193397
Sweet. Though I'm not sure your assessment of the DSX's value is accurate, as it's just cheaper because it's an old model.
>>54193118
It's really not. Sure, it's nowhere as good as the real thing, but there is absolutely a difference between surround sound and no surround sound on a headset. Not in quality, but the directional audio does work.
>>54193169
Will these be your first foray into hi-fi headphones? I'd say go for a SR60e instead with your sound card. I remember when I had a HD448 and a 7.1 Xonar DX. Then I got a SR60i and a Fiio E10 and threw away the sound card into storage because I felt the SR60i didn't need it for music.
>>54193730
I put the value of the sound card to $0 because the headphones don't need amplification.
>>54192428
what was your price range
What do you guys think when comparing K702 vs. K612?
>>54194139
I think the K702 is overpriced rubbish and the K612 does better.
>>54194175
that's not what Zeos says
>>54194175
So I should get K612s for my first open back head phones? Those were my narrows so far
>>54194210
Fuck off shitposter.
>>54194211
They're difficult to drive so you'd have to consider the fact that you'd likely need an amp for them as well and make sure you have budget allocated accordingly.
>>54194240
What if i've got a FiiO X3 player
>>54194251
2nd gen? You could possibly get away with it on high gain.
>>54194274
2nd gen yeah, what's the problem though? Sorry, I'm still learning about this stuff
>>54194281
The problem is they need ~0.352 Vrms to reach 90dB SPL.
To put that into perspective the 250ohm DT 880 need ~0.299 Vrms to do the same, and those are already often considered to need dicrete amplification. Even the HE-560 only need ~0.330 Vrms.
Meanwhile something that absolutely doesn't need discrete amplification like the HD 598 requires ~0.090 Vrms to reach 90dB SPL.
>>54170863
THERE IS NO ENDGAME IN THE HEADPHONE MARKET. Companies will always come out with a new flagship every couple of years
>>54168688
I like my MDR7506s but I really hate the cable. One of these days it's a tiny bit will slip off my table and take everything else down with it suddenly.
is it so hard to make detachable cables mandatory for headphones past $100
>>54194458
It's pretty easy to make a detachable cable yourself.
>tfw tinnitus getting worse and worse
>not even 25 yet
should I just stick to speakers now, I don't even turn up my headphones that loud.
it was probably the ear infection I got when I was around 5
>>54194445
Flagship != Endgame.
>>54194503
Go to your doctor and get your ear checked.
>>54194503
I'm really sorry to hear that man, that shit scares the fucking hell out of me.
>>54194539
my family doc is shit and just told me to stop using headphones. That was a couple years ago. I can push him to direct me to a specialist or something, but I don't know how much that will help me now if I've left it like this for so long.
if anything, it was probably the hour-long bus commutes during uni that ruined my ears, not headphone usage.
>>54194671
You could buy a cheap usb endoscope and check your ear canals yourself for ear ruptures or ear infections. I ordered one but don't have it yet so I'm not sure on the video quality.
>>54194671
I've used really shitty earbuds in highschool that i regret and I think i had very acute tinnitus, scared me shitless and I'm still always scared for it to return.
>>54168688
Is it normal for my ears (The outer part) to ache while wearing over the ear headphones?
>>54195015
how long have you been wearing them? as in how familiar are your ears to the fit?
>>54195015
yes, I had these headphones.
I'd had to take these shit off every hour or so and I didn't know how bad I had it until I got larger around-ear headphones (a world of difference in comfort)
>>54195078
Just got them today.
>100-250
>Canada
>Dac/Amp
>On hear/iem i want both
>Doesn't matter
>Comfy af
>Did not research
>anything flac generally usually 1980-2004 era
>Sennheiser
>>54195163
there's always the possibility of "getting used to it" something may be convenient for other wears, i don't know
>>54195242
the K7XX (available from Massdrop occasinally) is probably the best bang for buck for open headphones since you're in NA. I got the K702 myself but I would probably have went for the K7XX if the black one was available at the same time since the memory foam pads are like $80 alone.
Check out different sellers on amazon.com that ship to Canada. I actually bought my K702 from there since buying one from a Canadian seller was far more expensive.
>>54195285
I think the only way someone would be "fine" with on-ear headphones is if they're just ignorant to the comfort of around-ears. On-ears are just inherently uncomfortable.
If someone needs smaller headphones, they could at least go for ones like the M40X and 7506 which are like a compromise between around-ears and on-ears.
>>54195310
why not K612s? and why NA?
>>54195398
i don't think the K7XXs are available outside of NA. K702 since the detachable cable is worth the extra cost for me personally just so I don't have to learn how to solder to replace the cable when I get careless too many times (pic related)
>>54195310
>AKG shill
ugh
Help. This is habbening to me too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1BtYsVu4W8
>>54195919
stop using an over half decade old garbage verison of an os
RHA MA750 vs Shure SE215? In sound sig, cable, isolation?
>>54195919
Put at 100. Control volume with knob on your external amp.
>>54196129
I've read on some reviews that the SE215's don't last more than a month or two
Was this just on the earlier release? or is Shure shilling us?
NEW THREAD
>>54196371
>>54196371
