SELinux IS IN THE LINUX KERNEL
https://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/
NSA can read everything you type on your Linux computer.
NSA has also added special surveilance for Linux users.
Enjoy your botnet.
>NSA: Linux Journal is an "extremist forum" and its readers get flagged for extra surveillance
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance
>NSA may be targeting Linux users for increased surveillance
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2832337/nsa-may-be-targeting-linux-users-for-increased-surveillance.html
>Linux Lands on NSA Watch List
http://www.eweek.com/security/linux-lands-on-nsa-watch-list.html
it's open source, so prove it.
>>54126942
>open source software
>omg backdoor
>doesn't prove it
Wow, there's no bait on the hook.
Meme harder pls
>>54126964
>>54127009
Just because something is open source does not mean it would be bug free and could not contain potentially malicious defects.
Either you ever actually bother to preview the code you are compiling?
This and systemd.
>>54126964
>yfw the source code on the Linux website is different from the precompiled version in every distro
>>54126942
>SELinux IS IN THE LINUX KERNEL
Do any of your sources actually say that? All it seems to be saying is that SELinux is a special secure version of Linux, not some secret piece of software hidden in the Linux kernel.
>>54127037
So you think no one in the Linux community previews the code they're compiling?
If Linux Journal has been flagged by the NSA they probably have a good reason for it. You think you know better than the fucking NSA who is and who isn't an extremist?
>>54126964
>it's open source, so prove it.
>Security is the biggest bug of open source, says Linux Foundation CTO
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2454431/security-is-the-biggest-bug-of-open-source-says-linux-foundation-cto
If the NSA only spies on Linux users, people who search for "Tor" and "Tails", etc. then they'll have screened out 99.99% of the population. They have infinite staffing and money, so they have the resources to spy on every move of 30,000 people. As to whether they can spy, ask yourself what all that Intel microcode does. Or why all that UEFI stuff is closed source. Tap into those things and you don't need the OS. You can capture every key input that travels through USB.
>>54127093
good to know, that is why i run windows.
abloo
>>54126964
>it's open source, so prove it.
>there are problems with security that have led to major threats like Shellshock, Heartbleed and Poodle that put millions of internet users at risk.
>Someren was careful not to blame open source enthusiasts, many of whom work on projects in their own time while holding down a full time job, but he warned that the security woes can be attributed to lots of people building on old and established code that could contain flaws that simply don’t get spotted as no-one is really looking at it anymore.
>>54127086
Who we are to judge? This place was flagged by every single governmental agency.
>>54127093
>bug
>insect
>pic shows spiders
JUST
>>54127096
So what's the best option - give in use the latest hardware but minimal usage.
Or go with older hardware, legacy mother boards with bios and so on.
>>54127055
>the source code on the Linux website is different from the precompiled version in every distro
Prove it.
>>54127118
You should be safe from any NSA or corporate surveillance then.
>>54127158
Will that command do anything without --no-preserve-root?
>>54127179
yes, but not destroy your system
>>54127158
Top kek
>>54127136
OP is baiting hard, and unfortunately what he says has a glimmer of truth. The open source community and Linus himself are not that concerned with security.
I am sure there are many vulnerabilities out there. What is truly bot net free nowadays?
Now they are even targeting burner phones, it is getting to the point that journalists and whistle blowers will never be able to inform the public of anything that special interest groups do without suffering horribly once they are tracked down.
I fear for the future of democracy.
>>54127205
Linux-libre is botnet free
>>54127205
Well why would it matter, just try to stay low profile and constantly check new laws to avoid breaking them.
Considering the internet of things is coming fast, you literally wouldn't be able to hide - cheap tshirts will have chips inside and tracking will be implemented in everything.
SELinux doesn't even have any of their code anymore.
I have my own hardened operating system built from scratch for my own use. It's the most secure there is.
>>54127251
Stop lying NSA
>>54127151
>It is easy to tell if you are running a distribution kernel. Unless you downloaded, compiled and installed your own version of kernel from kernel.org, you are running a distribution kernel. To find out the version of your kernel, run uname -r:
https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html
>>54127244
>he thinks linux-libre will save him
Pssst, anon, I'll let you in on a little secret: the four fundamental freedoms say absolutely NOTHING about program verification, and it's quite easy for open source projects to get so large that outsiders cannot possibly comprehend them thus rendering code availability meaningless.
>There are 18 posters in this thread.
This thread is a botnet
>>54127712
you are a botnet
>>54127517$ uname -r
4.5.1-gentoo
Your move
>>54127794$ uname -r
4.5.1-gentoo-pix
you and me both
>>54127794
>-gentoo
>If you see anything at all after the dash, you are running a distribution kernel.
>>54127096
You think the total number of linux AND Tor users in the US is only 30k? Eat a dick FUDster
>>54127817
gentoos kernel is not precompiled, though. >>54127055
>>54127817
Moving the goal posts.
>>54127055
> the precompiled version in every distro
>>54127657
Name one botnet, not superficial bullcrap
>>54126942
>thread in cleartext
Its over the NSA won
And you suggest we go where? Windows is absolute shit, and despite being "UNIX" Mac OS is hipster garbage.
>>54127910
It's over. All new hardware is botnet at processor and bios level.
>>54127843
I'm not the original guy but I'm just repeating what I've read on that site. The default kernel you compile while installing gentoo is different than the kernel hosted at kernel.org.
>>54127948
>>54127991
And it doesn't include SEL in any form
everyone already knew it was in the kernel. why the fuck do you think this is news? kill yourself
>>54127250
It's about principle, it isn't about following the law to the T. It is about freedom.
I know freedom is an illusion that a truly rich or well connected person could crush any of us, but it really breaks my patriotic heart that our country is allowing this kind of garbage to happen.
I think it will be possible to avoid the tracking, but you will have to basically live like RMS. Which is another kind of prison.
Americans should not be watched like criminals. Criminals should be watched like criminals, all of this serveillance has not stopped a single incident, but soon it will be accessible to the FBI for drug busts.
>>54126942
>I don't understand what I'm talking about
>So I'll use buzzwords and allcaps
There are boards designed for shitposting on. Why not go to one of them?
>>54128074
It does include it though the module is set to not compile (either as a module or builtin) by default.
You can easily just turn it on.
I did.
>>54128136
Americans aren't being watched like criminals. Just because data is collected doesn't mean anyone ever looks at it. Frankly, I'm proud that my government has such robust surveillance technology.
>>54127859
The NSA.
"Then on June 5, The Guardian released secret documents obtained from Snowden. In said documents the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court implemented an order that required Verizon to release information to the NSA on an "ongoing, daily basis" culled from its American customers' phone activities."
http://www.biography.com/people/edward-snowden-21262897#aftermath
If you still don't believe us, then you will not notice when your small amount of freedom is gone.
>>54128213
Will you still be saying that when your grandchildren are persecuted because of a Google search you made in your youth.
These databases can and be used to target people to benefit special interest groups.
I really hope you are not that naive.
>>54127158
What are the autism stat gains wearing this?
Will it provide a normie-repellent buff?
>>54128270
>Will you still be saying that when your grandchildren are persecuted because of a Google search you made in your youth.
You seem paranoid and mentally unstable. You should be locked away for your own good.
>People actually believed linux is less of a botnet than windows is
Open your eyes fucking sheep. It's 2016, where every single component in your PC is probably fitted with a company made backdoor for the NSA. Just because linux isn't as direct as windows is about breaching your privacy, it doesn't mean the NSA can't spy at you through it.
>>54128788
It's not the NSA I'm worried about
>>54128806
You're afraid Donald Trump is going to see your pathetic collection of 200 anime reaction images?
>>54128767
>You're wrong because you should be arrested for being wrong
What a compelling argument.
>>54128788
>Open your eyes fucking sheep. It's 2016, where every single component in your PC is probably fitted with a company made backdoor for the NSA
That's... unlikely.
Those things aren't cheap, and the fact that the NSA implants bugs as a targeted attack strongly implies that they aren't universal.
>>54128838
Actually it's 40,000 and no I'm not worried about Trump either
>>54128136
Keep dreaming about freedom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_the_Future#Hyperempire
>>54128853
Doesn't seem very unlikely to me. Keep in mind, this is the same organisation that bribed microsoft into giving daily screenshots of whatever you browse to them. Then they call the USA 'land of the free'. Kek.
>>54128873
Actually I'm pretty hooked on reading the book now. Anyone already read it? I might pick it up later this day
>>54128788
Just because burglars can break down doors, doesn't mean you should remove your locks.
Any security is better than no security. Make it harder for the NSA to operate until we legislate change.
>>54128900
Microsoft are the bad guys here. I couldn't care less if the NSA knows my browsing history. I can trust the government to stay out of my business because I'm not a muslim or a pedophile. The jew corporations on the other hand will figure out the best way to use that data to fuck everyone over. It's embarrassing that the NSA has to go through Microsoft to do this and they actually prefer it this way. If anything we should be pushing to make NSA collect their own data and forbid private entities from doing it.
>>54128982
You might become a pedophile. You're high risk for browsing 4chan.
GNU/Hurd WHEN!?!
>>54128982
>It's embarrassing that the NSA has to go through Microsoft to do this and they actually prefer it this way.
Why wouldn't they? It's not like practically ost of the entire world uses windows. It's a perfect platform for this.
>>54129011
Why don't you just use FreeBSD instead
Or just not add the SELinux module
>>54128900
>this is the same organisation that bribed microsoft into giving daily screenshots of whatever you browse to them.
I've not heard that claim before. Do you have a source?
Anyway, there's a huge cost difference between software backdoors and hardware backdoors.
The Intel ME thing works because of the enormous complexity, programmability and access of modern CISC CPUs (and technically, we still don't know for sure it's got a backdoor).
It's very difficult to see how -for example- a graphics card could contain an attack of a similar severity.
>>54128953
>Any security is better than no security. Make it harder for the NSA to operate until we legislate change.
It's also worth remembering that there's a massive gulf between the capabilities of the NSA's targeted and untargeted attacks.
If they're actively targeting you, they level of defence you'll need is outrageous. However, it still appears that off-the-self encryption and common sense is enough to put you beyond the reach of automated dragnet surveillance.
>>54128982
>I couldn't care less if the NSA knows my browsing history.
Why?
Why assume that a completely unaccountable, non-transparent agency that doesn't even respect the court system is going to act in your best interests? What control do YOU have over the NSA?
>>54127476
Found terry davis. How's templeos going?
can we please just have a containment thread for fucking Linux it's barely technology all they do is argue about which name for Linux is the best one
>>54129044
This, we need a containment board - desktop screenshots and linux discussions.
>>54126942
My Kernel does not include SELinux
>>54129044
Butthurt windows babby
>>54129044
Linux is technology. Windows and Macbook isn't
this is literally FUD
>>54126942
>le cuck meem
>>54129057
Only if it includes retarded windows users speaking up to "save" people from a useless OS that doesn't have drivers for their brand new gaming hardware or, god forbid, microsoft office.
>>54129129
Well of course, I mean a windows general would be enough if people wanted but everything else is usually cancerous and should be contained.
>>54129044
>can we please just have a containment thread for fucking Linux
No.
>it's barely technology
No.
>>54129019
Is there a GNU/FreeBSD?
>>54129175
Debian GNU/kFreeBSD exists
>>54126942
>articles are all from, at minimum, 2 years ago.
>>54126942
Does the same not apply, on a greater degree, to Windows and MacOSX systems as well?
>>54129222
It's not really workable though afaik? It's still in beta or something.
>>54127179
No. >>54127189 is tech illiterate.
It will actually just throw an error.
What botnet free os did you make this post from, op?
>>54128300
I think your body odor will suffice.
>image is arch linux
>arch does not enable SELinux at ALL in their kernel
My god, lying Microsoft shills, do your research.
>>54129359
>Microsoft shills
Why would they come shill on a website to people that can barely afford Linux
>>54126942
>SELinux in the kernel
AFAIK, depends on distro. Some use SELinux and some use apparmor. At least that's what i got from local neckbeards at the linux user group.
>>54129384
They target /v/ migrants
>SELinux IS IN THE LINUX KERNEL
Yes. It is.
NSA is responsible for both attack and defence. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to inject malicious, open source code into the product they are contributing, because their product would be disproportionately used to protect American companies and organisations, and ultimately, the American economy.
Any attack against American entities by the NSA needs to be designed in such a way that the likelihood of a foreign agency or entity being able to use it is extremely small. Putting some sort of backdoor into open source code would be like putting a loaded pistol inside a Hello Kitty doll, and put it in the middle of a kindergarten, so anyone could come along and use it.
It's not a botnet. It's a completely safe and secure component contributed by an agency which is extremely well qualified to.
>>54129548
>used to protect American companies and organisations, and ultimately, the American economy.
Well fuck. Most of us aren't American and can't trust American code in the first place so why not use Windows instead?
>>54129548
A better argument would be that the NSA could just as easily put a backdoor into a module they don't publicly contribute to, and it would be exposed to considerably less scrutiny. Why hide something in the very first place anyone is going to look?
>>54129582
Just because you're not American doesn't make the American code suddenly unsafe. You need to take in the context. If the country is protecting something that is in its best interests to protect, then you can be reasonably sure that there's nothing dodgy going on.
So say the NSA contributes something like a driver for an automatic document scanner. If the scanner model was only sold in America to banks, they're not going to put something in there that the Chinese could use against America, but if the scanner model was only sold in East Asia, then why the fuck not. If the vulnerability gets picked up by the Russians, they're not going to be able to use it to attack America.
>>54129705
>Just because you're not American doesn't make the American code suddenly unsafe.
Oh it does.
>>54129854
>Oh it does.
Proofs.
>>54126942
Retard.
Slowpoke.
>>54127150
best option i believe is to recognize yer fekd either way, in terms of being surveyed(?) unwillingly. but OP is just being a drop kick shit stirer
>wah wah wah use windows linux nsa
>wah wah wah nobody reas source code
>wah wah wah suck it yuor on mai lvl nao chumps
delusional if you think it requires backdoor slight of hand to be watched by some agency or random with too much time on his hands, considering massive corporations with different agendas make all your parts.
>>54129044
you are in a containment board...
what is your point?
>>54129548
you just fund a new unheard way of exploiting backdoors
dont lie, nsa shill
you wouldnt put up a wall if you didnt know exactly how to tear it down if interest occurs
>>54130045
His point /g/ is not called /v/ yet
>>54130073
>you wouldnt put up a wall if you didnt know exactly how to tear it down if interest occurs
Yes you would.
Considering that large corporations and government agencies are going to cooperate with the NSA, and small companies probably aren't going to hire competent staff to configure their servers properly so there'll be another way in, there's no real reason for the NSA to need to break through it.
They just go around it.
>>54130104
>they go around it
okey that may be possible
>there's no real reason for the NSA to need to break through it.
keep telling yourself that, a coorporation which collects millions of useless browsing histories and megatons of data, takes a no for a possible answer...
>t's also worth remembering that there's a massive gulf between the capabilities of the NSA's targeted and untargeted attacks.
implying backdoors are the only way to get access to data
>>54129253
Now things are probably worse.
>>54126942
nice meme image
>>54128213
You know that these people have an on search engine called xkeyscore (which was recently sold to Germany in exchange for citizen data), image recognition and automation? They also send around nudes in office. Your daughters nudes that she made but quickly deleted because she realized it was a dumb idea when she was still underage. Since the phone is registered on you there will be investigation to test if you are pedophile. That one time you accidentally saw cp on 4chan doesn't help.
Recently it was announced that their data will be used for crimes that don't threaten national security, meaning your son exploring weed when he's 16. He'll go to jail because a friend of his said something stupid on googbookwitter.
But that's nothing compared to what will happen a few years later when your government is overthrown by the asian alliance and everybody that said something negative about communism somewhere in the nsa database is brought to "work camps" to starve to death in a coal mine.
>>54127055
Reproducible builds are not far from reality. But they are an important goal, I agree with that. What you fail to realise is that there are many more "paranoid" users that compile most if not all of their software, people using gentoo, funtoo, slackware or centOS in professional environments.
>>54126942
Selinux is used by some of the most important banks, governments and corporations in the world and you can bet your ass that they've audited the shit out of it, especially because it was made by the nsa.
But if that is not enough for you you can either just not compile it, disable it (you won't need to because it is disabled by default in most distros) or use an alternative.
Compared to companies like Microsoft that is part of PRISM since 2007, google that is part of PRISM since 2009 or apple that is part of PRISM since 2012 you are pretty free with GNU/Linux.
Linux is bigger botnet than Windows. This was known for ages.
>>54126942
>Linux has holes
BIG FUCKING WHOOP
I wish I was as deluded as you are and still had enough faith left in hardware that I believed software could be the sole issue.
As long as we won't control key steps of hardware production, we're going nowhere. And so far, we're deep in shit because the possibilities of DIYing microchips at home are next to zero. Unless you're willing to solder plain transistors, and even then, you can never know for sure that transistor does not contain a tiny wifi chip or some shit.
Pirates always win, the issue is just that the biggest pirates in the place are alphabet funhouses.
>mfw this thread
>>54126942
>SELinux IS IN THE LINUX KERNEL
>https://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/
>
>NSA can read everything you type on your Linux computer.
>
>NSA has also added special surveilance for Linux users.
>
>Enjoy your botnet.
so, TailsOS is basically NSA honeypot?
>>54133753
does this mean that OS X mountain lion (circa 2012) is non-botnet?
>>54127055
Do you compile your own compiler though? No? Boom, compiler backdoor and your entire system is compromised.
What does software matter when hardware is backdoor'd?
>>54134409
do you build bios? boom entire system is compromised
>build cpu
>program bios to it
>??
>profit, nsa pays you to sell out
>>54134464
Do you build your own hardware? Boom, hardware backdoor and your entire system is compromised.
>>54134505
Do you use a common ISP? Boom, packet surveillance and your data is compromised
so
we all agree dis discussion is stupid?
either we build a real open source hard/software community, which will be a shitton of work.. or we accept our new asian overlords and hope they forgive us for our sins
>>54128226
lol u dont know what a botnet is
I just want to make multimedia in linux and maybe make porn OC of disney waifus and japanese waifus.
should I give a fuck?
>>54134533
>ssl
try again
>>54134364
I wouldn't count on it because there is no way to prove it. Also if you don't get security updates you are probable even more screwed than with nsa backdoors. You could probably dual-boot if you care. (Thanks for caring enough to ask)
>>54134668
>multimedia
>in linux
are you retarded? why choose the worse platform?
>>54134668
If you want to.
Look into blender, krita and inkscape.
>>54134680
>ssl
>secure
try again
>>54134722
what's wrong with linux?
blender is fine, gimp is fine, audacity is fine, LMMS is fine?
haven't tested natron but it seems good.
are u a fucking scrub?
>>54134735
yeah, I'll try.
>>54134752
>are u a fucking scrub?
oh I guess if you're a 12yo, it's fine using interior OS
>>54134766
have you checked the blender movies and david revoy who uses only FOSS software?
>>54134781
yeah, they suck ass compared to anything made with modo, maya, max or literally anything else.
>>54134794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rmzh0PI3c
this is literally years ahead many comercial shit I see made on commercial software.
>>54134815
>this is literally years ahead many comercial shit I see made on commercial software.
then you're bind and or in denial.
>>54134831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Q0_DgXHG0
do you want me to post cringe /3/ shit?
>>54134855
that was made with blender...
GNU/HURD
>>54134886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZlOn9V_MmE
so hollywood now uses blender in their movies?
that's pretty cool.
>>54129011
>Hurd
>>54134752
lmms is garbage even fucking fl studio is leagues better, gimp falls flat on its ass as soon you use it for anything more complex than forum signatures
>>54134922
>cherry picking
now pick the best looking films. All made with commercial software.
source: I'm in the industry you cuck
>>54135041
>GIMP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdCTYmSxnmw
>LMMS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6tEolVz3_4
>>54135048
I didn't claimed it was better, I just said it's good enough for quality work.
learn to read.
>I'm in the industry
and yet you think the brand of the pencil make the drawing.
I'm sure you're not an artists or you're the guy that bring the coffee.
>>54134752
>it's a "hobbyst thinks he knows if some software is any good past entry level shit" episode
>>54135117
the highest you can achieve in quality, with blender is a quite bit lower than what you can do with commercial software.
>>54135125
>the pencil brand matters more than the artist skill.
>>54135170
and yet blender can reach a high quality.
I'm not saying it's better, I'm saying you can make commercial stuff with it.
unless you mean photoshit, blender can even beat maya in terms of NPR.
>>54127477
Kek
>>54127084
This is the problem in open source, people wont bother reviewing the code cause they think that someone is reviewing the code, but if everyone has that mindset, then noone sees the code. Which makes it great for backdoors
stopdisablingselinux.com
>>54129548
The NSA has been known to stock pile zero days in other software, used by American corporations rather than fix them to protect them.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/nsa-saves-zero-day-exploits-for-high-value-targets/
$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -A 8 Security
# Security options
#
# CONFIG_KEYS is not set
# CONFIG_SECURITY_DMESG_RESTRICT is not set
# CONFIG_SECURITY is not set
# CONFIG_SECURITYFS is not set
# CONFIG_INTEL_TXT is not set
CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY_DAC=y
CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY=""
it's disabled
>>54126942
>Linux Journal is an "extremist forum"
Somebody shop Stallman and Linus as ISIS members.
>>54126942
1000s of developers have gone over selinux code just because it's made by the NSA
if NSA were to make a backdoor, they would implant it in a sub-system not made by them, easily turned off by NSA for their own use.
>>54137199
like, say, systemd
>>54127055
install gentoo
>>54139226
I am right now.
I'm very tired. So tired. It's been 5 hours already and I haven't even compiled the kernel yet.
>>54135170
This is either a paid autodesk shill or someone who last used blender over 5 years ago.
To disprove him just watch a recent blender open movie.
