Which one is better?
Polaris won't get gimped when the next gen comes out.
At release they will offer about the same performance/$. Nvidia cards will be faster in GameWorks games but slightly slower in the other games.
Once the gimping starts the AMD cards will become much better.
Nvidia has been dominating AMD for years now and I'm skeptical that they're going to suddenly fall behind because of async compute or something.
They'll come up with something and we'll see which is better.
>>53861895
but AMD will abandon GCN as soon as the next thing comes out, just like they did with the 6000 and 5000 series
>>53861935
>slightly
Nvidia is like 2x as fast in gameworks games
>>53862493
>5-6 years
>as soon as
>>53862493
>AMD will abandon GCN as soon as the next thing comes out
That will be some years away from the Polaris release date. It'd be much more likely that Polaris cards are obsolete by then anyway.
>>53862493
>Nvidia is like 2x as fast in gameworks games
AMD is finally putting a HW geometry discard engine in Polaris so 6 gorillion triangle Batman capes and under-land Crysis 2 oceans will no longer choke the living shit out of their cards.
Plus, Pascal is supposed to be a return to Fermi/GCN style general purpose computation architecture, so don't expect it to be as min-maxed for worthless vidya features as Maxwell.
>pisscal
>>53862616
>>53862681
all the APUs that used pre gcn graphics got shit on like a year and a half later even though they weren't even old
I'll probably go with whichever one releases a high end card first.
Had AMD last 6 years, has worked out alright for me
Is it reasonable to expect a sub 500 dollar card of the new generation to match 980ti performance?
Been looking to get a 980ti to replace my 780ti but it might be wise to wait
>>53862752
>APU
Why does AMD name their product line after an Indian guy?
>>53862876
The 1070 will soon have 980ti performance.
Nvidia gonna reveal pascal at GTC tomorrow?
>>53862992
only with wood screws
>>53862986
I expect 980, but not so sure about 980ti
What is the probability that Bristol Ridge will have Polaris based iGPUs?
>>53862743
someone on /v/ pointed out to me that the new tomb raiders DX12 patch actually made the game run worse. i investigated the cause of it because it also effected AMD cards, lo and behold nvidia released brand new gameworks features.
VXAO was introduced the same time as the DX12 patch and it's extremely taxing, it will most likely run fine on pascal cards. the cuckification of maxwell cards has begun. expect the 1070 to be better than a 980 TI thanks to "next gen gameworks".
and people will continue to support nvidia.
>>53862876
very likely to be even less, why you would continue to support nvidia is beyond me though.
>>53863028
>why you would continue to support nvidia is beyond me though.
I'm not particularly brand loyal. But the 980ti is simply the fastest thing available right now.
If AMD can come up with better cards I'll hapily switch
>>53862876
doubt it. maxwell is a gaming focused architecture, pascal isn't.
>>53863071
>>53861885
Neither until both are released.
>>53863028
so turn it off.
I don't understand why people complain about gameworks features that can just be turned off. Who the fuck cares about some new kind of AO? You can barely even tell the difference between AO on or off, let alone the difference between different kinds of AO.
>>53863109
>he thinks turning off the feature removes the whole performance hit
if it were that easy, gameworks games would run much better
Why don't you wait for the benchmarks instead of fighting like little children
>>53861885
Is this all we know so far?
AMD 312nm - GCN ------ 12.0Ghz - GDDR5
Nvid 346nm - NonGCN - 7.0Ghz --- GDDR5
>>53863028
VXAO is DX11 only, also it uses dedicate hardware of course it will run better on Pascal, you can run it on software mode using rasterization shaders but it will be at least 3x times slower than dedicated hardware
DX12 runs better specially in slow CPU like a FX8350
You are retarded.
>>53863136
That doesn't make any sense. Simply including an option wouldn't impact performance when that option is disabled.
>>53862876
>tfw I'll have to be stuck with a 750ti until 2020 or so
I expect Polaris yet to be another failure.
Vegas will be decent, but too late.
Nvidia could deliver the finishing blow to AMD if they wanted, but this fake kind of competition is better for them.
>>53863221
Literaly how?
>Polaris 11
>128bit memory bus
>Polaris 10
>256bit memory bus
>Hawaii
>512bit memory bus
>1070/1080
>at least 384bit memory buswidth
AMD confirmed for KEKS
>>53863256
Sounds like they finaly are confident they got their shit together. The 512 bit buses were just to comenpensate for shitty design
>http://videocardz.com/58743/nvidia-pascal-prototype-gpus-analysis
AMD IS FINISHED
Nvidia stocks are skyrocketing while AMD stocks are worth nothing.
>>53863238
I bought it one and a half year ago, and I don't have too much budget right now, and meanwhile they develop good stuff I can be saving money and just get a whole new extrem3 24K monitor with 512 GB of ram and a giga X titan planet nvidia 1million fury [spoiler+I guess[/spoiler]
maybe 2020 is too late, in 2018 I think will be enought time.
>>53863256
The 512 bit bus is one of the reasons hawaii is fire.
>>53861885
Here's a balanced view from a Scottish man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw-QA1BanJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ7VCOgMZ9I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sEPM7Ux-U
>>53862493
Is that relevant? It's not like they stopped making drivers for their VLIW architecture GPUs.
>>53863181
>what is implementation overhead
>>53863530
They did, though.
>>53863530
Is it relevant? No, but people here like to go completely off topic.
>>53863544
I don't see how adding a new shader option to an engine that is designed to have selectable shader options would have enough overhead to meaningfully impact framerate in a video game.
>>53863343
Yeah... his videos are the best i've seen yet.
>>53863684
well it does since all gamework games run like crap and the more gamework feature they put in the more crap they run, even if you turn them off
>>53863733
Just like how console ports run worse on Nvidia, take FarCry Primal as a example, the 390 leaves the GTX 970 behind by a huge margin.
>>53863840
but farcry actually runs fine and looks fine unlike the games with gameworks
>>53863872
The latest Nvidia driver 364.51 put the GTX 970 on par with the 390 in FarCry Primal.
Turns out AMD running better was just lazy devs porting directly from consoles that have AMD hardware, who would have guessed, this is just like the PS3 and Xbox 360 gen with shitty ports.
>piss
We'll see which one is better but the real question is which is going to be more disappointing?
Since what they have in common is disappointment.
>>53863952
I'm hoping for 64samplier per pixel, I don't care which brand gets it first but it will most likely be Nvidia since they have done some search done that recommended it
>>53863898
>The latest Nvidia driver 364.51 put the GTX 970 on par with the 390 in FarCry Primal.
source : my ass
>>53863343
>balanced view
Lmao this is the biggest amd shill I've ever seen. He tries to act like like he's being neutral yet every video is about how the future of amd will be so good and the future of nvidia and intel won't be as good. He even starts getting really fucking aggressive towards nvidia users who post legitimate comments which prove some of his points are false, like he'd literally start swearing at them as a result of his mass butthurt. I have a few screenshots of these on my pc and I'll post when I get home but this guy is a massive shill and should never be trusted.
>>53863840
Lol no. The latest driver patch from nvidia has brought the 970 up to the same performance level as the 390.
>>53864252
Didn't notice it had already been mentioned >>53863898
>>53864218
>having genuine criticism for a company means shilling for the competitor
>>53864252
can you provide proof 3.5 cuck?
>>53864274
Nigga if anyone should be criticised it should be amd for being consistently being shit and letting these other companies get to where they are now.
This guy things amd are full of geniuses that will create magical architectures that will btfo the competition yet he's failed to mention even once that nvidia and intel can produce anything amd can whether it be software (mantle etc) or hardware (architectures etc) and the can do it better because of the funds they have available. This guy is beyond retarded.
>>53864350
For being consistently shit*
>>53864278
Makes you wonder doesn't it.
Any release window for either of these yet?
>>53864374
i don't see a single 390 vs new patch 970 there, was it all wishful thinking you stupid cuck?
>>53864412
Are you retarded anon, a 390 is just below a 290X.
>>53864374
>970 absolutely trashing the 290x whilst being cheaper
B-but amd is da best amirite guys :^)
>>53864444
I think you quoted the wrong guy, also nice quads quads.
>>53864412
A 390 is an overclocked and rebranded 290 so if the 290x loses to a 970 then the 290 (390) will be even further behind.
>>53863071
You know nothing you're talking about
>>>/v/
>>53864374
>OC'ed card
>still loses
oh wow
Lots of Nvidia damage control ITT, why though? Pascal still won't have async
>>53864558
Which card is OC?
the 970 is hands down the best budget card you can buy right now, seems like AMD suffered once they thought abandoning their price/perf strategy was a good idea. guess that's the price of hiring indians over real engineers.
>>53864594
>benchmarks from [H]ardonfornvidia
>>53864577
async is only useful if your GPU has lots of bubbles(gaps) between calls that you can fill, Nvidia cards handle thing differently so they arent idling most the time like AMD's.
async is useful but is very limited, yo ucan't do things like ssao or anti aliasing on it because both require bandwidth and compute which would bottleneck the pipeline.
The boost you see from AMD is just AMD hardware which is ridiculously more powerful than Nvidia being put to actual use.
AMD hardware is just more strong than Nvidia, AMD hardware don't get utilized properly but async fixed that.
>>53864627
>any source that doesn't agree with me is nvidia shilling!
https://youtu.be/frNjT5R5XI4?t=9m47s
>>53864467
maxwell was focused on gaming, but it sucked at fp64, which is why all the current tesla cards are still kepler. pascal is designed to improve fp64 performance and replace kepler
it will still improve gaming performance over maxwell, but there's no reason to think it will be the same as how the 970 matched performance with the 780ti.
>>53864558
The 290X is still more powerful than a 390 even when OC, unless we are talking about a reference 290x.
>>53864653
>maxwell was focused on gaming, but it sucked at fp64, which is why all the current tesla cards are still kepler
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9574/nvidia-announces-grid-20-tesla-m60-m6-grid-cards
Polaris will replace only the midrange and lowrange cards.
>>53864653
Nvidia can add FP64 to Maxwell if they wish to they just need the space, it's not like FP64 can't work on Maxwell it was removed because lack of space.
>>53864691
>yet another hawaii rebrand and factory oc
thanks raja!
>>53864581
the one with OC in the name
>>53864724
The GTX 970?
>>53864721
They don't have the resources to do otherwise.
They gotta work with what they have.
They need some investors to get some cash for R&D
The GTX 970 is running at 1164MHz/7010MHz with 1430MHz boost, boost is very inconsistent and drops core very often unlike a proper overclock of 1430.
The 290X is clocked at 1030Mhz with fans at 100% to prevent any throttling.
>>53864721
>GDDR5/X
>HW geometry discard engine
>14nm
>GCN 1.4
???
are they releasing an affordable pascal gpu or are all of them going to be $600+ ?
>>53864797
The boost on that 970 model is actually 1317mhz in the specifications. I doubt it'd reach as high as 1430.
>>53864855
That why I said it is very inconsistent and nothing like a proper OC.
>>53864855
>>53864878
Boost will go higher if "it feels" it can do it but not for very long by the way I forgot to mention.
>>53864669
>>53864708
Still, all they've been talking about for pascal is scientific applications.
Ntards will defend this.
>>53864965
i was going to buy a 970 until i looked at benchmarks. holy fuck it's bad
>>53864965
>it's the same amd shill who posts the same pic in every thread for weeks now
>>53864965
This is at 1440p don't forgot to mention it next time also you're comparing a 3.5gb card vs a 8gb card.
>>53864986
>>53864989
No CHARTS just real videoooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMUbHdQBSiQ [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHhPOvlnLGM [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne8VWuE2a4 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq6GyUzyuJQ [Embed]
>>53864989
>not even looking at the same thing
>>53865025
It's the same area retard, look at the whole chart not just at the image, the blue line reminds higher.
>>53865002
At one time nvida users where like 3.5 is mooore than enough. You dont need 4GB! the 970 is perfecttt.
>>53865009
>he still posts DF comparison videos between a stock 970 vs an overclocked 390
They even admitted in their just cause 3 video that their 970 only has a 20 mhz overclock and their msi 390 has a "monstrous" overclock and yet a small 200 mhz overclock to the 970 literally digs the 390 grave as seen in >>53864989
>>53865083
>>53865043
>defending
at least nvidia gimped the memory bus on the low end card, as they traditionally have, rather than AMD who gimped fiji, then marketed it as 4k gaming card and 'overclockers dream'.
never allowing myself to get cucked by AMD again. first bulldozer and now this.
>>53865083
https://youtu.be/4JHuyLoYU4c
Here's the just cause 3 video. The stock 970 keeps up with a "mammoth" overclocked 390. And people still wonder why the 390 keeps coming out on top. Stock vs massive overclock isn't fair unless you overclock the 970 and we all know what happens when we do that, see >>53864989
>>53865158
Thats why I don't buy nvidia. You can't over clock. I bought 7950's and OC'ed them pretty close to 7970 speeds. Nvidia would never let you do that.
>all these gameworks games being shilled
>>53865104
>called out for being a retard
>gets butthurt about it.
>>53865227
>Thats why I don't buy nvidia. You can't over clock.
>You can't over clock
Holy shit the AMDeluded fanboys are out in full force today
>>53865273
>20 mhz
is not overclocking
>>53865227
>you can't overclock an nVidia card
Nvidia cards are the best overclockers on the market fuckbrain. Anyone can get their 970 up to 980 stock levels.
>>53865227
>nvidia can't overclock
amdpoors are worse than religious people, denying facts and promoting viewpoints that are completely contrary to reality
>>53865305
Do you know what overclocking even is? Go back to bed you retarded slav
>>53865230
nvidiots only jerk off to gameworks benchmarks
>>53865447
Yeah love all those gameworks benchmarks check those >>53864374 out .
>>53865499
Don't reply to them. They've already been put in the ground so let them stay that way. Don't give them an excuse to shill for their abortion of a company anymore.
>>53865499
yep, 80% of the benchmarks from 2015 onwards is gameworks
NO ONE KNOWS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T OUT YET
>>53862493
somehow you managed to be even dumber than the OP
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>53864444
Funny how they always post the 290/X instead of 390/X
>>53861885
ITT: massive Nvidia shilling because /g/ is heavily pro Nvidia
>>53865583
GameWorks are disabled in those benchmarks.
>>53865723
Because a 290X is stronger than a 390 and the 290 was meant to compete with the Titan, the 290X against the 780Ti the GTX 980 was meant to replace the 780ti but was actually a upgrade from the 680.
>>53865723
because they use old benchmark numbers without driver enhancements
>>53865773
>GameWorks are disabled in those benchmarks.
he thinks gameworks can be disabled
>>53865774
Those are up to date drivers though, the GTX 970 are kinda old though by Nvidia standards.
>>53865785
They can, do you even know how computers work.
You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
so what the fuck then. do i get a 970 or a 390?
>>53865803
None, wait for Pascal which should be announced tomorrow.
>>53865785
goyimworks is literally just a collection of post processing shaders, as long as the developer exposes a setting for it they can be disabled.
>>53865802
why don't you just go disable all the exploits in android OS
>>53865824
the cheapest pascal will be $600. i can't afford that. i also don't want to wait 2-3 months for them to be released(and they will probably be out of stock for a few weeks).
>>53865832
Go cry about it on the Android thread and maybe someone will care.
>>53865826
the gameworks package sits inside your game engine even when no affects are being run, a lot of other code has to pass through gameworks even when you aren't calling the affects.
>>53865837
>the cheapest pascal will be $600
No it won't, it'll follow the same pricing models as all the previous releases
>>53865837
A GTX 1070 will be around the same price as a 970. A shitty Polaris 10 will cost the same, yet perform like shit.
>>53865889
where are you getting this info? everything i've read says that pascal will only replace or upgrade the cards above the gtx 980. everything below the 980 is being ignored.
>>53864594
>HBAO
Anyway, I see this (old) benchmark image posted quite often in these threads by an Nvidia shill trying to shill for the 970 but if anything it just seems like an indictment on both Nvidia and AMD on how poor of a value the 980 and the 390x have been.
Nobody in their right minds that has done a little research buys a 390x or vanilla 980. The only thing that should be up for debate is 390 vs 970 in that price segment and you'd have to be pretty far up Nvidia's ass or have a third world power supply to opt for the 3.5 Gb meme card.
>>53865963
HBAO runs better on AMD.
>>53865931
pascal's first cards will be the 1070 and 1080, replacing the 970 and 980. next we'll get the 1060 and a new titan card a few months later, with a 1080ti likely coming out 3-6 months after that. just like how the 700 and 900 series were released.
>>53865931
Rumors are that the first release will be the GP104 chips, which are the 980/970/960 equivalent models
The GP100 chips will launch in 2017 which will be the Titan/980ti equivalent models
AMD sucks with frametimes, which is even more important than average fps.
>>53865980
>960
That's GP106, not GP104. The die size is too large and expensive for a sub-$200 card.
>>53865980
I really hope this isn't the case, but I don't doubt you. I just want to buy another flagship to replace my 780ti.
>>53866012
My bad, I wasn't sure if the 960 used the 106 or 104
>>53866023
The 980 came out in 2014 with the 980ti like 6 months later in 2015 so this isn't something new
>>53865974
>>53865980
when are these being released?
>>53866050
2017
>>53866050
Announced this week, release sometime in summer or fall most likely
>>53866050
10 weeks from now
>>53865972
Not always. HBAO is Nvidia's baby, though not really a GameWorks feature in and of itself. If a certain game runs better with HBAO on AMD hardware vs comparable Nvidia hardware then that just speaks to how much raw performance can be squeezed out of AMD's cards.
>>53866064
>>53866073
i've already been waiting two months. this is bullshit. i was going to build a 6600k + 390 build literally tomorrow but i'm not sure what to do now.
>>53866097
just go buy it, nothing will be released until late summer
>>53866097
All I can say is it will be worth it to wait. Either build the system sans gpu and use the processor igpu for now, or get like a $100 stand in card
The 390 is a rebranded card with old tech. New cards will have new memory, die shrink and new architecture
>>53866097
>this is bullshit
Deciding on whether or not you should wait two or three months for an incrementally better graphics card is not bullshit. Grow up.
>>53865723
Because they're literally the same fucking thing except the newer cards just have a higher base clock and more ram. Amd like being massive jews so they'll obviously charge you way more for these small upgrades.
>>53866159
>incrementally
>>53866128
iGPU is probably better than my current GPU(hd5850) so that might be a good idea
>>53866159
>Grow up.
>t. fat virgin aspie
>>53866177
The 300 series wasn't supposed to be a rebrand, but you probably just like to spout memes instead of learn why the die shrink wasn't going to be ready.
>>53866197
the 290 and 290x were going to be rebranded, amd just couldn't get fiji fabbed on 20nm like they wanted to.
>>53866197
>it w-wasn't supposed to be a rebrand
But it still ended up as a rebrand. Stop damage controlling ayymdrone.
>>53866197
amd couldn't afford the quarter billion it cost to design a new architecture.
>>53866318
They already had the new architecture. Global Foundries didn't deliver on 20nm so they went with plan B.
>>53866192
>wahh i've waited 2 months to play my video games and i can't wait any more wahhh
>calls others virgins
KEK
>>53866458
>posts on a mongolian spice market imageboard
>tells others to grow up
lel(loving every laugh)
>>53863005
>wood screws
still remember this, sides left orbit
>1.7%
>>53866186
>implying it won't be incremental
>implying AMD and Nvidia won't milk this die shrink for 4 years and we'll see all the gains immediately
>>53866230
>the 290 and 290x were going to be rebranded
Source on this? You might be right because the stock of Hawaii chips available certainly was suspicious but everything that I remember about the 390 and 390x was that people were surprised to see it make another generation.
>>53866238
Saying "AMD like being massive jews" with respect to 290x/390 refresh needs a little context, faggot.
>>53866177
>theres no difference between the cards except the new ones are better
NJewvia shills are the worst
>>53865803
Get a 390 or wait for Polaris, AMD cards are consistently better value and Pascal is just a hyped up Maxwell on 16nm while Polaris is a brand new architecture
>>53866565
The 290X was sold with 8gb already, the only thing people were surprised was the rename to 390X and price increase.
>>53866565
>everything that I remember about the 390 and 390x was that people were surprised to see it make another generation.
you're probably thinking of the 270 and 280x gcn 1.0 cards, they got rebranded for a second time with the 300 series. hawaii only got rebranded once.
>>53866572
>new ones are better
Lmao ayymdrones don't even know about the cards they shill for. An overclocked 290x slams a 390x for over $100 dollars less. The 3xx series was a massive fucking cash grab that had literally 0 benefit over a current 290 or 390x. The first few 390x were actually a 290x flashed with a 390x bios lmao. Even the extra ram is a bad excuse. I know people who still rock a 290/x and they have no problems with their 4 gb of ram at 1080 or 1440p and yet their own amd fanboys in threads such as this say 4gb ram is useless now. And don't give me this bullshit about 4k using more than 4gb of ram on these cards. These cards can barely scrape 1440p60 so if you're buying a 390/x to play 4k then you can literally stick your head in a ditch.
>>53866729
Current 290 or 290x*
>>53866729
GTAV is two years old and used more than 4GB dumbass
>using a card with 3.5GB
>>53866756
https://youtu.be/UbLhbe-Ehxs
>gta 5
>gtx 970
>very high/ ultra settings
>doesn't use more than 3.31gb ram at any time
>still gets over 80 fps on average
The ayymdrone delusion is fucking unreal. And I don't have a 970 fuckboy.
>>53861935
This is true
>>53862493
Not really
>>53862684
This. Can't wait.
>>53862876
Depending on the game it might be possible. You may want to consider CF when prices start dropping or if new gen is cheap enough. I reckon a Vega OC might be able to push close or in some cases surpass 980ti
>>53864350
pic related AMD cards regularly outperform their nvidia competitors if gimping features are not introduced i.e. gameworks. Doesn't matter though new geometry engine soon
>>53864721
>>53864809
>>53865002
>>53865045
>>53866756
gta5 doesn't use more than 4gb unless you're playing at 4k
When is gtc happening?
>>53867076
>pic related AMD cards regularly outperform their nvidia competitors if gimping features are not introduced i.e. gameworks. Doesn't matter though new geometry engine soon
kek, you realize that image was faked bullshit AMD put out to hype up the fury cards, it got debunked on launch day.
>>53861935
>>53861895
>>53865114
>>53867076
'gimping' is literally a meme, has never happened, will never happen, and there is no proof or evidence that it has ever happened.
it's just fucking untrue.
>>but muh gameworks! nvidia worked with software developers to make hardware work better with software
only on /g/ is hardware and software working together better consider somehow to be a slur.
>>53867138
intentional gimping doesn't happen, but abandoning past architectures (like amd did with vliw5 and nvidia did with fermi) certainly has happened. AMD could have supported the 5000/6000 series much better, but they decided to dump it less than a year later when they launched GCN 1.0. NVIDIA was going to deliver us DX12 and Vulkan support on fermi, but instead went quiet and only gave it to us on kepler and maxwell.
>>53867138
>>53867181
ok. well say, 'nvidia doesn't support it's older cards as well as amd'. i don't know if that is true, or true all the time, but it IS reasonable and a case could be made for it.
>>53867189
my suspicion is that this is all lies, since i get 50-70 fps with my fucking QUADRO at 2k in FO4. and that's essentially a gimped 970 with an irrelevant 8gb vram.
>tfw iGPU is better than my old HD5850
>>53867189
kek, that performance improvement is from crimson, which launched after FO4 came out. what you forgot to mention is that AMD shipped extremely buggy drivers for FO4 that don't draw parts of the HUD and world, with absolutely no fix despite it being broken for ~3 months now. you still need to use pre-crimson legacy drivers for it to be playable.
>>53867117
Guise pls
>>53867117
>>53867306
>>53867288
Huh? I'm using latest release with absolutely no problems, and I've been playing the shit out of that game, mediocre is it may be.
>>53867189
Uh, that is with Nvidia Physx enabled which AMD can't run of course they will get a performance hit with it enabled.
If you're gonna shill at least do it right like >>53864374
>>53867081
I feel like this isn't true, I was hitting my cap of 2gb easily, like really easily, at 900p before I upgraded monitor and card.
>>53867327
finally some TOYOTA news
>>53867327
>buying from people who are balding
why do people do this
these seems like a good place to ask... what's the best r9 390? i've heard it's the sapphire OC w/ backplate.
and also, is a 6600k z71 worth the extra money over a 6500 h71?
this will be for moderate 1080p gaming
sorry for being dumb
>>53867488
The best 390 is the one you can find for the cheapest price
>>53867509
that's the sapphire then
much thank
>>53867488
The best 390 is a 290
>>53863343
>amd shill
>balanced
lol
>>53867327
so more cars
>>53867076
>he unironically posts fake benchmarks
>>53867081
yeah okay
>>53863256
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
>bigger number = better!
>>>/v/
>>53867488
>moderate 1080p gaming
Both the 970 and 390 are entry level 1440p cards or high end 1080p cards.
If you want moderate 1080p gaming I'll assume you mean 1080p at locked 60 fps and high settings (high being less than very high and ultra). You'd be perfectly fine with a 960 or 380 for just moderate 1080p gaming. Save yourself some money and get one of those 2 cards.
nvidia is shit
>>53867840
>he doesn't post the fps because he's running at 10 fps with all max settings
Obviously if you literally stick on 8x msaa and max out all the advanced setting sliders it'll use alot of vram. The 970 will hit it's limit before it runs out of vram. Even older 3gb or 2gb cards will hit their limit before their vram runs out. Vram is generally never the limiting factor unless you're playing skyrim with fucking 30 gazillion mods.
>>53867880
alright
what CPU would you recommend then? the 6500 seems nice but i think it's a little weak. i have an i5-750 right now and it's nowhere near powerful enough for what i do. the 6500 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade
>>53868001
He posting that GTA V image running the buggy MSI Afterburner, Memory reported never goes above what it is available in the card, it goes into the Ram.
>>53868003
Not him but you can't just look at the fact that they are both quad cores with similar clock speeds. The new Skylake i5's are about twice as powerful (maybe even more so depending on the application) in raw performance compared to the i5-750.
>>53868003
If you're intent on getting a ddr4 compatible cpu then a 6500 is more than powerful enough especially for games. You can even overclock it via some bios tweaks.
If you're not bothered about ddr4 then an older cpu like a 4690k will be perfectly fine for years to come and will be cheaper. Hell, even a 5 year old 2500k is still an option since an overclocked 2500k brings it to 6500 levels of performance.
Tldr: 6500 for ddr4, 4690k for cheaper but no ddr4
>>53867690
Of course more cars.
Nvidia knows where the future profit lies.
They don't focus too much on VR, not yet.
>>53868001
okay then, here it is with fps. mostly high settings with 2x msaa, vram usage always starts low and gradually climbs up to ~4.5GB and stops there.
>>53868198
See >>53868066
You also have to take into account which card is being used here. If the card has like 8gb of ram then the game will use much more vram compared to a card with just 4gb vram. I don't know why this happens exactly but I see it all the time in benchmark videos between cards with different vram amounts.
>>53868066
He probably has 8gb because he isn't a tard.
>>53867076
>sleeping dogs only game to hit 60
This 4k meme needs to die.
>>53868083
>>53868140
i want a PC that will be able to play any new game on high settings @1080p 60fps for at least 5 years so i think i'll spend the extra cash and get a 6600k + r9 390 build
>>53868508
you would be lucky to have a 390 last 5 years. hawaii has absurdly high failure rates at the reference voltages and clocks, it must be even worse for the overclock they put on the rebranded version.
>>53868563
is the 970 more reliable? all the reviews i've read are mostly complaints about both cards but i know that's only a small fraction of people that bought them
>>53868726
970 will not last you 5 years either. New cards are just around the corner, wait and buy then.
>>53868563
>source: my ass
>>53868768
not sure if i have the willpower to wait that long. it would realistically be july or august before i could get one. i can't go 4-5 months without a gpu
>>53868778
kek, feel that buyers remorse raja! https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Video-Card-Failure-Rates-by-Generation-563/
>>53868001
>>53868198
I have two 8GB OC 290x I use all the same settings it sounds like and in the city I get 40-80fps usually and I get more than 4GB VRAM too. I also play at 1440p though.
>>53868890
Oh yeah I forgot I have a picture too
>>53868176
but tesla isn't using nvidia
why do poorfags always buy nvidia?
>>53868890
I have a gtx 980 and it very rarely uses more than 3gb vram even at 1440p. I play mgs 5 at 4k and it uses about 3.5gb vram but that's still far off from the 4gb max
>>53863136
>thinking Nvidia would let you uncuck your games. You are sadly mistaken sir. Not only that, but it matters because 'muh max settings' benchmarks will run like shit.
>>53864637
Can you explain this further
Does this mean you won't be able to use AA or SSAO full stop if you're running async or does it just mean you can't use async to do AA or SSAO anymore but it's still achievable but maybe by less efficient methods.
>>53864648
Isn't HBAO Nvidia technology?
>>53870829
It's an ambient occlusion technique but doesn't do stupid shit like make everything tessellated like other gameworks methods. It should work normally on any amd card as far as I know.
>>53870957
still made by nvidia
>>53871149
So what? It's not tessellation based so it can run fine on any card. It's probably the best AO method out there right now.
>>53872186
>>>/reddit/
>>53867076
>pic related AMD cards regularly outperform their nvidia competitors if gimping features are not introduced i.e. gameworks. Doesn't matter though new geometry engine soon
Your bench was from AMD without the AA and the AF...
>>53868304
Ncucks always got an excuse
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>>53872390
so in exactly 24 hours? or 12 hours?
>>53872390
people are going to be so disappointed
>>53867880
>with a 960 or 380
The 370 is on the same tier as the 960
>>53872360
Your post is beyond stupid. Cards with a higher amount of vram tend to use more vram compared to ones with less vram even when at the same settings. It's most likely just pre loading more textures to avoid pop-in and has little to no noticeable effect on gameplay.
How many modern games are there that actually try to fill up more than two CPU cores if you're lucky?
>>53872390
inb4 980tix2
>>53872749
a lot of them "try" but most of them fail
>>53872749
Very few. It'll probably be the same for games in the next few years aswell.
>>53872749
Far Cry 3 could max out a 3.4Ghz q6600 if I used a 770 at medium settings. About 80% load at max settings
Let us assume a friend of mine, lets call him anonymous, lost his pc in a fucking fire and needs a new gpu among other things. Being poor, he only has about 250€ at his disposal. Is it wise to just go super cheap and buy a stop gap gpu and then wait for the next generation and buy one of those?
>>53872749
That's what DX12 is trying to fix
That being said, GTA V, FO4 and BF4 are some I can think of
>>53873178
Keep saving money and wait
>>53873209
B-But i have no pc at the moment...
>>53873243
There's not much you can do with 250 funny money dollars unless you go full scrapyard wars
>>53873178
just buy a 380 and be happy with it
>>53873273
>tfw literally every shop or advice website is set to USA as the default region
>tfw sometimes I forget and think I've stumbled into a wonderland of cheap parts
>>53873327
Pic related
>>53873285
Thats what i had my finger on
>>53873273
Like i said, plan B would be to buy some trash 750ti or some used gpu but who would sell his gpu now before the release
>>53863084
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>>53861885
Does anyone know how powerful the Polaris 11 will be?
>>53873475
380 level
>>53873505
Lame as fuck.
Thanks for nothing AMD.
>>53873563
AMD are a bunch of poor Indians who struggle to stay competitive by respinning old chips, rebadging everything and selling their silicon for peanuts. You shouldn't expect innovation or GPU progress from them.
Based Nvidia will move the industry forward with Pascal.
>>53873673
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>>53873563
polaris 11 is the weaker one
