So now that Ubuntu is running natively on windows, why even switch
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So now that Ubuntu is running natively on windows, why even switch from Windows?
Just wondering. Can you use it to start a full featured X/Wayland session and use something like xfce on top of windows?
> windows
> ubuntu
> wayland
enjoy your self-imposed hell
Welp, another ~2GB free space will probably be needed on C drive.
Thanks Lincucks
>>53777217
how can I use this now?
>>53777217
did it remove the privacy-invasive features yet? no? k then
>>53777217
I'd like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as Windows, is in fact, GNU/Windows
Can you replace explorer.exe with Unity?
>>53777217
Does it have gcc or clang?
If so, post version.
>>53777844
dont worry, you will get a free office suite, a wide range of mediaplayers, browsers and what not, all in 2 gb. maybe then you will wonder why you need 50 gb now while using shindows
>>53777294
What a wonderful example of social engineering by Microsoft.
>Yes, yes, login to your secure shell... in genuine Microsoft Windows 10 © 2016 Microsoft
>>53777217
>So now that Ubuntu is running natively on windows, why even switch from Windows?
>apt
I'll be impressed when you can run an X session and open Win32 software in it. Until then, it's just a less shitty Cygwin.
>>53777217
I think you mean GNU/NT.
or... you could just run Ubuntu, which is better than Windows 10
>>53780597
You mean Gentoo
>>53779875
If you watch build, all linux development tools/library will run natively on windows.
>>53777217
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
N
E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
|
| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
|
| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
|
| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
|
| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
|
| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://archive.is/eZKc9
|
| Windows 10 sends desktop screenshots straight to Microsoft:
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
|
| Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
| https://archive.is/vhjwm
| https://archive.is/2jehd
|
| Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
| https://archive.is/MB0Yy
|
| > Over 82 billion photos viewed.
| > Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
| > 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
| > Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
| > Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
|
v
What's the point of this when I have Cygwin and could probably bootstrap a Linux distro on to it and chroot into it?
Cygwin is pure shit, but at least it's useful.
>>53781372
If this isn't a pasta it should be.
So this is just a bad Linuxulator?
>>53779875
It's just Ubuntu Trusty, so yee
>>53780529
> less shitty Cygwin.
Yes, if Cygwin had the entire Ubuntu package repository at its disposal.
>>53782404
A bad Linuxulator that happens to run in Windows, yes.
Wasnt only Bash coming to windows?
Now the whole ubuntu os too?
Is this an april 1st joke?
>>53777217
So now that Windows is running natively on ubuntu why even switch from Ubuntu?
Gross
>>53781372
oh please, show me some real proof, list of domain names is all you can do?
or some russian videos of guy decrypting 1kb of udp stream that turns into 2 hd pictures? please
you tinfoil idiots are not capable of anything
>>53782528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_TR59luFfQ
linux is now obsolete
windows taking over all your free gnu crap, and they do with laugh on their face
how are you feeling right now?
>>53782515
They've written something to translate Linux system calls to NT system calls, kinda like what freebsd did (although I imagine emulating Linux => NT is significantly more involved).
Because linux/unix shell UI is fucking garbage
You use a shitty algol-like programming language to "program" by calling external programs as your "stdlib", each one very similar to the next (hmmm, sed, ed, grep, which one do i use) or similar in concept (maybe awk, head, tail, cut, or tr!), and not directly calling them, but calling whatever the first program with that name in your search path is. It's a complexity and security nightmare. Why did the UNIX team do this? No practical reason. They liked the idea, and we didn't actually have a whole lot of shit like perl or python for them to take inspiration from. But now we do.
>>53782306
>>53781372
It now is
http://pastebin.com/whbAeJDN
https://rbt.asia/g/thread/53777217#53781372
>>53782550
If you don't read those, don't expect to be able to refute what you didn't know.
>>53782585
Windows will make idiots pay for Ubuntu to use CLI and better compilers for development.
I continue to use Ubuntu for free.
Feeling pretty good desu bro.
>>53777217
Wait, just how does this work? I see from that uname -a that it's running an actual Linux kernel, 3.4.0+, from Aug 1, 2013. This doesn't sound like the Windows kernel processing Linux system calls and loading ELF binaries. This sounds like a Linux kernel in a VM, or a co-linux setup like Topologilinux did ages ago.
I also note that the date is very close to April 1. Are we certain this isn't an april fools prank, just a renamed terminal sshing into a VM?
>>53784181 (me)
https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspace-for-windows-developers/
So far it seems to check out. It looks like they're making the inverse of Wine. Whether it translates Linux calls to Win32 and sits on top of the existing Win32 subsystem, or is an entirely separate subsystem like the old Windows Services for UNIX is yet to be seen. A revamped SFU that's binary compatible with Linux would be quite nice.
>>53777217
So how the fuck do i get that?
Windows 10 updates it selves all the fucking time but of course i didn't get the one with a useful new feature
>>53777217
>why even switch from Windows?
this is what MS wanted all along
>>53781372
>Try to use Ubuntu
>Can't turn off my monitor
nice OS fag
>>53784541
What...
The power switch on your screen is OS independent.
Also power settings work fine in Ubuntu last I used it, apart from sleep being fucky on some laptops.
>>53784597
>Turn off my monitor
>Turn it on
>OS is too stupid to hot plug the monitor back and show any image-
WIth Ubuntu and Xubuntu both
>>53784609
Sounds like you have a GPU with a shit tier driver. I've seen this happen with the Atom chips that have those rubbish PowerVR GPUs. Intel never bothered to make proper Linux drivers, and all we got was a buggy heap maintained by one guy that presents little more than a simple 2D framebuffer.
>>53784640
980Ti with ASUS Maximus VIII motherboard.
Couldn't get it werking, I tried googling for more than a day and all I got was some obscure 'revert to older xfce'.
I loved using both Xubuntu and Ubuntu but that bug fucked me out of using it
> natively
> on windows
that feel when binary apis on linux do not exist
>>53777217
Because Windows is still selling my info to greedy companies.
>>53784697
>what is the kernel abi
>>53784709
Out of all the Linux distros I'd say Ubuntu has the highest likelihood of doing the same thing, given their ghetto Amazon affiliate integration and all that bullshit, sounds like a match made in heaven.
I would have been more satisfied if it were Redhat.
You know, the company that actually gives a shit about enterprise
>>53777217 (OP)
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
N
E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
|
| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
|
| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
|
| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
|
| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
|
| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://archive.is/eZKc9
|
| Windows 10 sends desktop screenshots straight to Microsoft:
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
|
| Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
| https://archive.is/vhjwm
| https://archive.is/2jehd
|
| Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
| https://archive.is/MB0Yy
|
| > Over 82 billion photos viewed.
| > Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
| > 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
| > Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
| > Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
|
v
>>53777275
>apt upgrade
Wat
>>53777217
B O T N E T - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >
O Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
T https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
N
E Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
T https://archive.is/OBGB1
|
| Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
| https://archive.is/tW6fu
|
| Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
| https://archive.is/2XIvX · https://archive.is/qLRZx
|
| Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
| location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
| even after related settings are turned off:
| https://archive.is/Zny36 · https://archive.is/sz1nt
| https://archive.is/g3QdQ · https://archive.is/ko469
|
| A Traffic Analysis of Windows 10:
|
| Keypoints: Windows 10 has a keylogger and uploads all your
| keystrokes every 5 minutes. Everything you type in Edge or
| Cortana is sent to Microsoft, along with any media files it
| finds. When webcam is enabled, 35MB of data goes to Microsoft.
| Even with Cortana disabled/uninstalled, Windows 10 sends all
| microphone audio to Microsoft, when the computer is idle.
| https://archive.is/QnTTA
| https://archive.is/eZKc9
|
| Windows 10 sends desktop screenshots straight to Microsoft:
| https://d2.maxfile.ro/rwspylwbwo.webm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeHqiydk4A
|
| Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
| https://archive.is/vhjwm
| https://archive.is/2jehd
|
| Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
| https://archive.is/MB0Yy
|
| > Over 82 billion photos viewed.
| > Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
| > 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
| > Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
| > Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
|
v
> i can finally run gimp on windows
thank ms
Because why should I suffer from Windows when I can only have GNU/Linux.
>>53784861
But why would you want to suffer linux when you can have GNU/Windows?
>>53778434
Noone cares about what you are doing on your computer, and if someone really does they will find a way to know it
>>53782458
Does it matter? It's not like you're going to be able to install kde plasma and use it
>>53784860
am I being memed?
>>53778454
underrated
>>53777217
congrats, you just realized why this whole thing is a disaster for linux.
>>53780529
>less shitty cygwin
>implying that is not a monumental improvement in itself
also what is mingw
Why ubuntu?
Microsoft, Amazon, and Canonical working together. MAC.
Apple is going to die.
>>53782585
good actually
open source is political the same way that evolution is political: if you don't believe it's superior, it just makes you look like a massive bloody idiot. so actually, i feel good that microshit is finally embracing the superior model so we can all have nice things.
>>53777217
So you just realized you can run both shit on both OSes so why the hell would you stick with the botnetted shitfest that is win10?
>>53785406
effort of switching away from a platform that 99% of people don't see any problem with.
>>53785406
I can't still run GTA V on linux, can I
>>53777217
Because Windows is still useless, especially 10
>>53785406
Windows doesn't break support for suspend, hibernate and power saving features in new and interesting ways in every update.
>>53782666
explain the architecture of windows, if you are so informed and pretend to list in 2 sentences the way that unix is designed and running (read a book before shitposting)....oh wait, you cannot say how windows works, as it is closed source and it does things you do not know about...
let me give you a hint: windows uses 20 gb to do basically the same thing as a linux distro does in 1 gb of installed size, guess what is for the extra intalled functionality? not for you, but maybe for ms?
you cannot choose what is running on your computer, you only can choose to use it or not - this is windows
>>53777217
>why even switch from Windows?
why even make these threads?
kill yourself.
>>53785435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW7nOySw18M
>>53785704
really? have you ever seen a bug whre the cpu was stuck at 25% always, for no apparent reason? guess what the issue was? the power setting, after updating windows was reset to allow maximum cpu at 0%.
no update issues you say...
>>53785787
>windows uses 20 gb to do basically the same thing as a linux distro does in 1 gb of installed size
That's why Windows just werks and runs on every fucking desktop computer and supports every piece of hardware released in the past 30 years compared to Linux
>>53785874
Not really, but that is why Windows doesn't need an online repository to support every piece of hardware like GNU/Linux does.
>>53785874
>every fucking desktop computer
I have never heard of a desktop/laptop (with a properly configured bootloader) failing to boot Linux.
>every piece of hardware
Now that's just a lie. For example my old laptop can't use its media keys on any windows above XP.
>>53785941
>booting != just werking
>>53777217
Broken bloated Windows 10 + Ubuntu? Can't wait for the blue screens to show up!
>>53785806
That's basically running Windows on the background
Not only that, you need a secondary GPU. And if you use iGPU you're stuck with that for anything you do on linux anyways.
>>53777217
>why even switch from Windows
Because I'm not even running it.
>>53785874
windows uses 20gb to just werk and yet it ALWAYS FUCKING FORGETS ABOUT ETHERNET AND WIFI DRIVERS on every goddamn laptop i get to install it on
>fork() works
hot damn
>>53777324
So what do they do about no symlinks and unix file permissions?
That better not be full of duplicated files.
>>53777544
No GUI, so no.
>>53786165
Windows supports symbolic links, sort of. They're just hidden from users and may require admin permissions to create.
>>53785319
Being naive and not understanding how computers work: the post
>>53786196
They also break if moved or the contents changes.
>>53784850
aliases
>>53782521
/thread
(I do not support Ubuntu but what we're seeing is essentially WINE in reverse and not really anything that would make a shit OS like Windows worth using)
>>53786062
this
the Linux kernel has better hardware support than Windows for computers I've actually used myself
>>53778454
wrong
its WinNT/Linux
WinNT/Linux is life
>>53777217
If you like a GNU/Linux with botnet, stay in Windows.
>>53786033
nothing you said was wrong but for people who insist on playing unsupported video games, I think it is better than dual booting
>>53785987
I can't wait to hear stories of people working in this shell and then having Windows bluescreen
>>53777217
Ubuntu = OS1+n*bloat
Windows = OS2+m*bloat
Ubuntu+windows = OS1+OS2+(n+m)*bloat
no thanks
>>53777217
It is still objectively an inferior operative system.
Their only use cases are:
- indian programmers
- gaymen man childs
- legacy / enterprise software
>>53785874
and where it does not run, it says "you need to install more ram" and you accept that excuse. so windows is backportable everywhere, what a joke
the latest linux can be installed on any hardware, from 4MB ram to 256TB, so beat that
anyway, we are putting too much energy in convincing ad brainwashed people of a scam. linux people are not working in marketing, so we cannot convince you of anything.
if logic does not apply to you, feel free to use a botnet controlled os.
A tactic M$ has used before
Embrace, extend and extinguish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
Does the terminal still doesn't support Unicode ?
Also, is this a linux binary loader, like, a wine for running linux programs on windows, or just a unix-like environnement that requires recompiling like cygwin ?
Is it using the Linux kernel, or simply the coreutils ?
>>53786405
you are mistaken, microsoft just shot itself in the foot.
If it becomes standard to compile the elf format in windows, there will be less reasons to stay in windows, because the only thing windows has going for it is it's exclusives.
>>53786405
and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents
>>53786216
>break if moved or the contents changes.
lies
>>53782550
>or some russian videos of guy decrypting 1kb of udp stream that turns into 2 hd pictures?
Like screenshots? How does this not worry you?
>>53785874
>supports every piece of hardware released in the past 30 years compared to Linux
No OS in the world supports as much hardware as Linux distros. Until a couple of years ago it supported AM radios. Let that sink in.
>>53777217
Can someone tell me how you get Bash in Windows 10?
>>53777217
>Since windows apps run natively on Linux via Wine, why ever run Windows?
It's literally the same shit mate, it works, but only 'kinda', you still need at least a virtual machine as backup option.
Considering switching from OS X to based Windows 10.
>>53778434
You do realize that you can stop the data collection service on windows, also, you can change your privacy settings on there so that they don't even get error info.
Tired of all these people complaining about something that they can have full control over if they just did their research...
>>53777844
Are you sweating a difference in 2GB storage? 2006 called. They want your fucking hard drives back.
>>53787574
Except you can't, unless you have the enterprise version and even then not everything can be turned off. Aside from that there's no telling what's in the encrypted communications it makes with Microsoft servers. There's no way to tell that they really don't collect your data, regardless of the settings.
>>53777217
>why even switch from Windows?
To get away from Ubuntu, on top of Windows.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Canonical came out as a branch of Microsoft.
Why would I run Linux in Windows when I don't use Windows for anything?
>>53787684
/thread
>>53786094
:(){ :|: & };:
>>53780119
>No GUI
Yeah all those windows users are going to love doing documents in VIM and playing their music with ncmpcpp while browsing the web in lynx
>>53777217
OMG, YES, yes stay THERE, there is no reason to switch now, there wasn't any in the first place if you had to ask yourself that question. Enjoy your new feature. If you have any question or issue with it, you can talk about it on Microsoft's forum allright?
>>53787731
yes, with GUI.
check out libreoffice, chromium, firefox, thunderbird, xfce, openbox, fluxbox, etc. do the math and you get to 2 Gb.
>>53787525
Install Git, it comes with bash. I can't comprehend all the noise you guys are making about this "new" feature.
I thought we were supposed to stop using windows?
>>53787794
Literally all of those except XFCE already run naively on windows
>>53787803
You are
>>53787618
innocent until proven guilty
>>53777709
>>53777217
This.
Its like you are trying to stitch together the worst parts of everything.
>>53777217
Because Windows is now a stepping stone to Linux.
>>53782521
>comparing WINE to what microsoft is doing
lxss will emulate linux on way lower level than what wine was doing with windows
So how long before we can install gentoo on windows?
> I WISH I COULD RUN ______ LINUX PROGRAM UNDER WINDOWS
Can /g/ fill in the blank?
>>53787861
What is Gentoo Prefix.
>>53787873sudo rm -rf /
>>53787861
it will apparently allow you to install any distro on windows
first public tests start in like 2 weeks
>>53787873
make
autotools
pkgconfig
>>53787815
so why do you need a 20gb os bloat to eat up your cpu/mem then? or feel like rather upgrading your pc every year or so, without any extra gain out of it?
>>53784855
Someone needs to update the ubuntus installgentoo wiki page so that the casuals will think twice before using ubuntu now. Something like we have on the Windows 10 page "we do not recommed using Ubuntu. if Canonical is willing to work this closely with Microsoft, there is a high chance Ubuntu is or will be compromised"
>>53787904
>Complaining about your OS taking up 20cents worth of hardrive space
Mate I can spare a quarter for my OS to be installed
>Ubuntu is running natively on windows
>not Arch
>not Gentoo
Gentoo and Arch User on Suicide Watch
>>53787963
its also the cpu and mem, which you will upgrade when ms decides.
your life your choice. this is free info you are getting now, without any company backing, so if you are not prepared to understand this, then i am sorry for you. when you do not understand things, you are letting yourself be led by others.
Well, I guess, ruby faggots can finally start using windows for doing stuff with rails.
>>53786741
If you would bother to analyze packets yourself you'll see that no such thing as a screenshot is sent, actually hardly any data is sent - if you take time to disable everything.
For now windows 10 does not send your private data to Microsoft if you block it but sure it could it was designed to do it.
So unless Microsoft especially targets your computer and really want your data for some reason no shit will happen.
>>53787901
> cygwin
>>53786741
are you fucking retarded? show me 2 screenshots fitting in 1kb without any uber compression
>>53788138
care to offer any proof? you do not know the code and just sniffing the network from time to time is not proof enough. the rules for sending the data could be anything you imagine
>>53788200
Do it yourself, it's easy - fresh install windows 10 enterprise, block everything their enterprise guide tells you to block in order to kill communication - also block more stuff which internet recommends and start collecting packages.
The ip's it communicates with are irrelevant because no that is transmitted to them.
>>53786421
You still need to recompile for Windows, I assume. Windows has something called subsystems and they were able to implement POSIX that way but they never cared enough to maintain it and deprecated it by the time Windows 8.1 rolled around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX
I assume they are doing this now because they ran into problems rewriting OpenSSH to not use POSIX and since they needed to port other applications, they just updated their POSIX subsystem code and rewrote some stuff for it to make it more Linux and POSIX compliant.
>>53777217
>i7 5600U
XD
>>53788279
you don't need to recompile anything, watch the videos, ubuntu dev said they ran indentical 1:1 ubuntu elf binaries on windows with lsxx
>>53778454
Nothing to do with GNU, its the Linux kernel, Win/Linux
>>53787901
>>53788279
You don't have to make anything, its emulating linux syscalls, its EXACTLY like Wine on Linux, just vice-versa. Idiots.
>>53788509
I'm rewatching and they said they ported the user code and they're doing dynamic syscall translation to enable this. Which is kind of okay but it's incredibly restricting and brings up a ton of compatibility issues like not being able to interact with those applications which is kind of a "must-have" for this to work any better.
In fact, I would say the POSIX subsystem is actually superior to this solution at the moment right now, is because of the interoperability you can achieve between Windows applications and recompiled POSIX applications. Unless they can make it so that this subsystem can interoperate between native and "emulated" code, this is nothing more than an interesting plaything.
Pity, I'll have to wait for it to get better to do anything productive with it.
>>53782521
>>53787856
VFIO?
Xen hypervisor?
You pretty much capable to run wincuck with full harware acceleration under GNU/Linux sice years (even vidya like Battlefield 4)
Can you guys not see. MICROSOFT WINDOWS IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COMMERCIAL PRODUCT OF EARTH?
Why you ask. Because Bill Gates is 1000% smarter than you.
All gamers are dependent on windows.
All feminist corporate companies are dependent on windows
All entertainer are dependent on windows.
Can an open source OS compete with windows?
Its not impossible but too long a process considering microsoft stop its support for windows.
May be 4chan will use gentoo but fuck it I would(normie) more likely to play pirated darks souls III on windows than to run 'ls | grep "mia malkova" ' in linux.
>>53777217
>Windows botnet
>Ubuntu botnet
>together?
Yeah it sucks dick
>>53777217
Are you fucking retarded? Just because you can use Bash on Windows now doesn't mean that Windows can do everything that GNU/Linux distros can.
>>53789018
yes it can, watch the videos and get over it
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, Windows/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Windows plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Windows system made useful by the NT corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Microsoft. Many computer users run a modified version of the Windows system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Windows which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Windows system, developed by Microsoft. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. NT is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the Windows operating system: the whole system is basically Windows with Linux added, or Windows/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of Windows/Linux.
>>53787873
>different desktop environments/window managers
>package managers
>a free system
>>53789037
No it can't. Do you even know what the differences between GNU/Linux and Windows are? There are many more differences than just bash
>>53788236
as volkswagen detected when their cars were under testing conditions and cheated, we can assume ms can do that too with their os
closed source can always act against the customer
>>53788671
NT had a butchered POSIX implementation that ms bragged with for marketing purposes. I wonder if that was revived somehow?
>>53789037
the number of incorrect things in your affirmations is too large to deserve another answer.
>>53777217
Bash is not the only, or the main reason I use a Linux distro
>>53788524
no you dumb retard
>>53788524
You couldn't be more mistaken. It's GNU userland and Windows kernel.
>>53782585
>windows taking over all your free gnu crap
actually, this is Microsoft recognizing that GNU won
RMS must be proud
>>53787882
someone should do this
>>53786358
well. what do you do on linux?
>>53777217
Because the kernel is part of the problem.
It'd take windows userland+explorer on top on Linux any day, but not the other way around.
>tfw they ruined Windows with GNU shit
>>53790050
win userland + explorer cannot run on anything but windows. linux as you can see is more flexible.
>>53790160
You are all that is wrong with /g/.
>>53790181
yes, and richard nixon was not a crook
calling names makes you right, like when we're 10
>>53789693
It's not. This is basically dynamic syscall translation for Linux specific stuff + userland code to make some Frankenstein integrated Linux subsystem.
Since it's basically built like this, there are problems with interoperability with native/Win32, which means you can't run applications installed in bash like gcc from cmd.exe or Powershell and vice versa, which is a really big dealbreaker.
Source level compatibility is just better than the pseudo-binary level compatibility they are doing here.
>>53789715
Its a pasta, you got baited m8.
Im Sorry.
How do I get this?
I installed Win10 and enabled insider preview builds, but where is it?
>>53778454
GNU/Winux
>>53790325
It's not releasing for another 1-2 weeks.
>>53789983
watch this:
https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/P488
>>53789885
>>53789890
Kek, it's translating linux syscalls to windows ones, are you retards?
>>53790160
or you could say that Windows/NT is so powerful it can embed any system it wants into itself, while linux can only have some half assed wine
>>53789073
and you think them running bash is just it? bash? no, they run whole ubuntu linux distro on windows
>>53790572
unfortunately, in programming, things go the other way around: things that are more flexible, can be split in pieces and embedded in other things. qed
>>53788736
You say that like it's the easiest thing ever to set up Xen with GPU passthrough. Good fucking luck. A friend of mine ended up giving up that project.
I'd love to install Linux and run it on my Intel iGPU and have Windows using my Nvidia card hooked up to my other monitors for gaming, but what a process to actually get that working.
>>53790799
i beg to differ but would you mind offering a successful example?
>>53790857
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>>53790572
Consider the following mate:
Linux has a very simple programming interface, it basically handles interrupts with procedure number. And it's all well documented and you can check the code in case you don't know something.
Windows requires to use a dynamic library, which is not only closed-source, but also there's little documentation on it. Likewise for other parts of Windows.
Microsoft just had to implement well documented API.
Wine team had to reverse-engineer some of the API before they could implement it.
Why switch to windows when linux has had the full GNU corelibs the whole time?
This is more of an incentive for Windows xp, 7, and 8 users to upgrade.
>>53791039
the windows marketing team knows something which we will realize only when their approach will be over and it will be too late for the damages to be contained
the free/open source software image might be again in their target.
thanks again righard stallman for the protection of the GNU license, making possible for foss to exist
>Sudo GetChildItem()
>>53788200
Ran wireshark on my win 10 box. My locale doesn't support Cortana, so that took care of itself. Nothing except some updaters came through.
Microsoft DOES collect a shitton of data if you let it; but it's used for;
>Building personalized autocomplete profiles for Bing and Edge
>Voice access and internal autocomplete
>Usage data for folder indexation
I'm not saying i love Microsoft, but they're not evil. They just suck your wallet dry.
>>53791590
depends of the definition of evil: is someone who watches regularly your moves evil? your mother used to do that. your mother raised you and protected you. but again, there are also mothers who mistreat their kids.
its not about love or hate, its about whats in your interest
as you are not a kid anymore and as you have the option to know what your mother intends for you, wouldn't it be better for you to know that?
regarding the updates: do you know what gets exchanged through the wire? i do not think so. and just looking at update time for a few mb package which takes minutes on windows as compared to a same size package on linux, where it takes seconds, it is clear that something more is happening there, either a lot of inefficient code or data collection aggregation or who knows what
>>53790254
then they will run linux apps, make them break and then complain that open source is shit. win win situation for microsoft
>>53791770
If that slav who discovered screenshots was right, it wouldv'e blown up by now. It did blow up, but only via the untrustworthy backchannels of the internet.
This is also <nothing> new. All your google searches are used to profile you for advertisement AND usability.
>>53792567
Linux dosent have 'apps'
>>53793550
the fact that you cannot see individual atoms does not mean they do not exist.
if information would not matter, then why so many agencies and companies which revolve around it make such a big fuss to have it?
the less information you give, the less power you give away.
>>53785874
>That's why Windows just werks and runs on every fucking desktop computer and supports every piece of hardware released in the past 30 years compared to Linux
hahaha
Debian supports the driver for the network card built-into the motherboard and the driver for my Wacom tablet out of the box. Windows supports neither unless I spend twenty minutes installing them with CDs.
>>53793753
We know atoms exist because there are discrete experiments you can perform to detect them. Likewise, anyone interested in these sorts of developments (hackernews, alt.whatever, ) can test for themselves. Just route a box through some tap and look at the packets. And all we have is some slav who claims he found screenshots.
Because it's valuable to marketing and product development/improvement.
Half this hype was around some windows 10 alpha (not your OEM home) legal agreement that disclosed they could use system input and user information for development purposes. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that this is how corporations make money.
>>53782515
>Is this an april 1st joke?
Isn't this obvious?
kek
>>53777275
>apt
There's your answer
So Windows 10 is two different kind poo mixed together?
>>53794605
you are not giving any valuable argument. shitposting leads nowhere
>>53787873
But most of us here want the contrary: running the windows-exclusive programs on Linux, not Linux programs on Windows. Most applications written for Linux at first have already been ported, and what's left to be ported are those which need a Posix compatibility layer and that is already satisfied by Cygwin. A Linux subsystem on Windows is just pointless.
>>53790254
>Frankenstein integrated Linux subsystem.
>>53792567
>then they will run linux apps, make them break and then complain that open source is shit. win win situation for microsoft
You dont need Windows for open source applications to be garbage, they already are!
>>53785391
You're right my good sir, us superior intellectuals will rule the masses
>>53795261
>drone mode on
Why would this be usefull ?
Anyone that is a developer on Linux already runs Linux.
Maybe for web design simple applications but you'll never get the full Linux experience for any real applications/programs that need to run on a Linux box other then trying the real deal yes on a Linux box
>>53777844
I have a 120 GB SSD and I'm not even worried about this, so stop being a little bitch about it. Buy a WD Green HDD if you're so worried about 2 GB of space.
>>53777217
it's an April 1st joke
>>53778467
I'd rather use KDE than Unity. Seems to look better and run better for me.
>>53794976
>ebil corporations snowden CIA tapping your pron slavery 99%
Seriously, MS just wants to want money.
Making money requires customers.
In a competative market, you get customers by tailing it to their needs and demands.
Most customers don't even know what they want.
Microsoft taps your searches and conversions.
???
Big deal you can turn it off.
So has anyone run wine from bash on windows yet
Is it text-only, or does it allow to spawn windows for stuff like firefox and such?
wow
>>53777217
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Windows, is in fact, GNU/Windows, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Windows”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Windows is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Windows added, or GNU/Windows. All the so-called “Windows” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Windows.
And as Windows gets Linux emulation, OpenBSD kills it.
>>53777217
>put a good OS on a bad OS
>maybe it will become good
>>53796701
More like tried use double negative to make one good OS.
>>53777217
How do you get this to work if you are on insider?
>>53777217
CAN I INSTALL KDE?
>>53796735
come on, ubuntu isn't that bad. Unity and compiz are shit, but not unusable like windows.
So is Windows 11 going to be completely UNIX based and the NT kernel will go the way of the dodo bird?
Will UNIX-like OS's get DirectX support?
Let me explain this to you so you idiots can understand it.
There are developers, which, for whatever reason, are stuck on Windows for dev work. Maybe their company makes them use it. Maybe they program in C#/.NET, or need to run SQL Server locally (although that's no longer the deal-breaker it used to be). Maybe they like to play games or have other programs in Windows they can't live without. Maybe they're a newbie developer who's just trying to learn and doesn't want to commit to something new and strange just yet.
These are the people this is partially aimed at. This gives those people access to the Unix ecosystem without having to rely on a (slow, resource-intensive) VM, or remote SSH, or (slow) cygwin, or otherwise cobbled-together natively-compiled tools that take tons of obscure work and configuration just to get them working semi-decently.
The other people this is aimed at are devs thinking about buying a Mac, like so many developers are doing these days, because it offers sort of the best of both worlds (polished consumer product with a Unix-like environment available). With this announcement Windows is (theoretically) all of a sudden just as viable for a dev machine, without needing the proprietary, expensive hardware.
If you are already running Linux (or OS X) and happy with it, then this is not for you.
>>53797124
why not just run windows in a vm with gpu passthrough?
the only excuse to run windows as the main os on your computer is laziness
>>53796503
They say they have no intention to get GUI stuff working (yet). Though it's theoretically doable because there are already things like Xming.
>>53797213
Or that your hardware doesn't support it.
>>53797285
>using shitty consumer grade hardware when used enterprise stuff is cheaper and better
I spent $600 on my desktop and I can run games in my windows vm quite nicely
>>53797213
Because things just don't work as well? If all you care about on Linux is the command line tools, doesn't it make sense to have Linux be the second-class citizen (not that it really would be in this case) and have the graphical stuff run natively?
>>53797213
I'm eventually planning on doing this once I get a job.
>>53777217
Why even take another breath? Kill yourself
>ubuntu
>running within windows
The 8th and 9th circles of Hell.
>>53790018
He likes to install packages, spend every waking moment updating to the bleeding edge of everything imaginable even if he doesn't really use it, managing his home network, printer, file, user services etc. He likes to play professional sysadmin between the 10 devices he's surrounded by.
>>53787856
Are you fucking retarded.
He isn't comparing wine, he's comparing a fucking virtual machine.
Why would you use Windows in the first place? There isn't one advantage apart from games.
