What happened to parallel buses 13 years ago is happening to x86 now. Just like parallel buses hit a wall and serial ones eventually caught up, RISC CPU architectures like MIPS and ARM are catching up with x86 now and will soon supplant it.
somewhere in the distant future
>>53559389
If by distant you mean a couple of years, yeah.
I already don't have a single x86 device, and some of my SMB customers don't either.
>>53559379
Risc isn't what made arm popular, it was their high power efficiency, which was made possible by risc.
The problem is, to develop compute power parity with x86 on risc requires much higher clock speeds, more complex pipelines and branch prediction, and when you add all these things, you end up with a processor no more advantageous than x86.
Risc is great at low power, low compute applications, but it does not scale to modern high performance desktop or server compute and remain competitive
>>53559449
~Super Mario Bros computers???
we call them NES.
>>53559699
I know you're trolling, but just for the kids out there who don't know what SMB means, it means Small/Medium Business.
>>53559561
I can't really explain it better than this guy did.
ARM will continue to be big in phones, tablets, and internet-of-insecure-things devices. x86 will continue to rule laptops, desktops, and most importantly servers.
>>53559752
yeah sorry, i misread customers as computers also...i would have realised teh acronym otherwise i think. i should sleep.
peace out mah nigga
>>53559767
Depending on how far Intel can scale their CoreM, We might see apple transition to ARM cores for the Macbook Air/Macbook. They only used CoreM in the Macbook because it was there and they wanted to make something interesting.
>not RISCV
Fuck off
>>53559561
>their high power efficiency, which was made possible by risc.
For fucks sake, the ISA doesn't determine power efficiency, it's the chip design.
Stop talking shit.
>>53559823
Well, it's mainly the decode and execute pipeline, which is much more complex and transistor hungry on large variable length instruction isas
>>53559449
Wow yeah and I'm sure all these ARM servers are going to replace AMD and Intels entrenched x86-64 like in 4 years. Sure bub.
Can you even imagine what x86-64 is? You think google or any server for that matter that isn't some experimental bullshit runs on ARM or any RISC?
>>53559752
So what if chasers switch to ARM tablets?
>>53559867
>only experimental bullshit runs on RISC
Actually, all the most serious stuff runs on POWER or SPARC.
I myself don't run and don't know anyone who runs anything mission critical on x86.
Stay rectally shattered.
I don't know about that. The name of the game is power efficiency currently and Intel and AMDs SoCs are already catching up to ARM chips, on top of being x86.
>>53559561
x86 has better power efficiency than arm.
>>53559379
I dont see how this is either surprising or upsetting. Who actually is still clinging onto x86?
>>53559867
>tablets
I'm talking about ARM and MIPS across the board, including on workstations.
I have clients that run full Unix domains, some run Android on their workstations, and others run Windows but have MIPS Samba AD servers.
>>53559978
Me.
This is why x64 is superior
>not VISC
L O L
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>>53559978
>Who actually is still clinging onto x86?
quite a lot of people, judging by the amount of money Intel rakes in
>>53559944
7/10 of the most powerful computers in the world runs on x86 (and the top 1 is x86)
>>53559752
Server Message Block
>x86 will soon only be used on embedded systems
>ARM desktop
Remember kids: it's always summer in Australia.
>he thinks risc or cisc are even meaningful terms anymore
>>53559944
My anecdote beats actual facts where 90% of the super computers run on intel.
>>53560087
Reminder that now that Microsoft Office runs on Android, a lot of companies are adopting Android on the desktop.
>>53560042
pls iso
>>53560132
>muh supercomputers
Most people use normal computers actually.
>>53560175
Oh really? I'm sorry I haven noticed all the ARM laptops and Desktops.
>>53559561
This, to a certain extent minus a few flaws. Architecture really doesn't matter any more, we're reaching the limits of what's possible across the board with the only real difference being what TDP is being targeted and the balance between single threaded or multithreaded performance. That essentially means that software is the deciding factor which in turn means that barring any major shifts on a similar scale to the smartphone revolution the landscape won't change much for the foreseeable future. ARM will dominate phones, x86_64 will dominate desktops and laptops, POWER will continue as they're going and SPARC will keep dwindling into obscurity.
>>53559822
>No actual chips for several years to come
Alright.
>>53559944
Even discounting super computers (which one could argue is largely irrelevant to the market as a whole and to everything that isn't corporate e-peen) x86_64 servers make up a huge chunk of the market. I'm not saying that's good or that x86 is inherently superior in any way, it's just the way the market is.
>>53560239
>running mission critical applications on Intel
>>53560137
Name one
Stop making these threads, asshole.
No, ARM is now officially on suicide watch.
>inb4 it's actually amoled
we know
>>53560397
Got any reasons as to why you shouldn't? You know, aside from the relatively low cost of entry, availability of software, low maintenance costs, low training costs, reliability and industry support? Oh wait, those are arguments in favour of x86_64.
>>53560527
this
>>53559699
HOLY FUCK ANON I SPAT MY DRINK AT THE SCREEN
>>53560527
pretty much this. Not only that but x86 is more power efficient than ARM and old x86 silvermont atom cores match or exceed ARM krait 400 cores in geekbench integer and integer multi-core performance.
>>53560527
So that's why they call it the flagship killer. Hope we see more x86 phones soon.
>>53559379
You do realize that x86 is literally more power efficient than ARM right?
When did this "x86 is the most efficient!" meme start?
Modern MIPS CPUs are most efficient AND can run x86 and ARM code.
>>53561520
>When did this "x86 is the most efficient!" meme start?
Ever since the zenfone 2 came out and beat phones with even Cortex A53 cores (which are still used) in energy efficiency.
>Modern MIPS CPUs are most efficient AND can run x86 and ARM code.
Nope, xeon processor D chips currently dominate energy efficiency. Also MIPS literally has worse IPC than even x86 steamroller cores from AMD. There is no hope for MIPS either when it can't even surpass AMD housefires.
>>53561520
It's not a meme though, if x86 was not the most energy efficient cpu architecture then servers/supercomputers wouldn't use it.
>>53560548
Because of the backdoor in the management engine that can let Intel or a Government remotely brick your chip.
>>53561853
Do you have another tinfoil hat I could borrow?
>>53561877
t. Intel employee
