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>>52934944
Anyone else have really sensitive ears? I find that using any IEM irritates mine making them itch and they produce lots of wax. I wonder if I should try foam tips or something. I don't want to have to wear cans on public transport like an autist retard.
damn it feels good to be early
fine, i will repost
What is the best I'll get for $250 after tax etc?
>Budget
~$250 on my damn debit card
>Location
USA
>Source
RME Babyface/PC
>Preferred type of headphone
over ear
>Open or closed
i can use open
>Comfort level
maximum pls
>Past headphones
some $30 superlux that some fat asshole sat on and destroyed
>>52947493
Planning on getting some soundmagic e10s for me and my gf. Are there any better?
>>52945838
>$2500
For that kind of money I would get SE846 + AK120ii and would be set for years to come. but thats me and my shilling for iems in general. dope
>>52947695
>shilling for iems in general
nah, not iems in general. shit iems that are overpriced as fuck.
is 200 dorras a good deal for brand new k702s?
is k702 best akg?
>>52947884
k612 is the best hpg meme
>>52947884
no, k612 is
>>52947770
>shit iems that are overpriced as fuck
same could be said about anything that you cannot afford
>>52947695
i'd rec the se535 over the se846 personally, sounds better
>>52947892
>>52947895
but muh detachable cable
>>52947493
>Budget
$100
>Location
US
>Source
wat
>Preferred type of headphone
In ear/on ear
>Open or closed
wat
>Comfort level
medium-high
>Preferred tonal balance
>Preferred music
rap, EDM
>Past headphones
just generic iphone ones and some samsung ones now which aren't very comfy tee bee aych
was thinking of getting Otium Beats cause they're on sale for $60
I know people around here thinks Beats are memes, so what do I get instead?
want excellent sound quality
fidue a83?
>>52947909
>i'd rec the se535 over the se846 personally, sounds better
how come? the lows are not interfered with mids at all with that low pass filter, its the most clear iem on the market plus its polished in treble area compared to 535 (softer)
I started off with a pair of ipod ear buds many years ago. In a daring move, I scrounged up all of my allowance and bought a pair of Skullcandy Inkd earbuds.
My 12 year old mind was blown by the change in quality.
A few years later, I had the privilege of trying a pair of MDR V6's. Never before had I heard such detail in my music, it was unparalleled. I needed to have a pair of my own.
Once again, I saved up my money and bought a pair of MDR 7506's. I was content.
For a few years, at least.
I set my ears upon the Beyerdynamic DT-770. I was excited, I had finally made enough with my last paycheck from my shitty job to buy a pair on sale.
I waited, I waited, and I waited some more.
The anticipation was mounting.
Finally, they arrived.
My hands shook with excitement. I threw together a jumbled mix of my favorite songs in the highest quality formats I could find.
Jittery, beaming, I set them upon my head and listened, eager for the new world of sound I had been dying to hear.
My grin of joy turned to a half-hearted smirk of puzzled bemusement.
The quality wasn't bad by any stretch of the word. But, it wasn't much better. I was cresfallen, my mind racing with the first traces of buyers remorse. Maybe I should save up for a pair of Sennheisers? Perhaps it's my soundcard?
Then, it dawned on me. This is the plight of the audiophile, similar to that of a drug addict. The first few hits are always the strongest. Then it gets weaker and weaker. It always does. Distraught, they begin spending more and more on anything that promises quality, even imagined, in a fleeting attempt to grasp at the delight of hearing their music in a new light again.
>>52947948
do you want a neutral signature (accurate sound) or do you want bloated bass? cause i feel like you want bass, and both is kind of difficult at $100
>>52947948
bothered to read
>source
phone
>open or closed
closed
>>52947659
Best course of action for you is get a HD598 for 141$ on amazon and save 100$. Not point spending all 250$ and getting not that much back in return. The HD 598 is so unbelievably cheap now. An alternative is a used DT880 or HD600.
>>52947999
if by bloated bass you mean the rest of the music will be muddy while the bass is excessive no that's not what I wanted
>>52947905
not really, things i can't afford may justify their prices. the se846 do not. at all. they're worth $100 at best.
I don't see people talking about Audio Technica other than M50 and Ad700s
how do their higher-end cans fare? I'm looking into headphones in the 400-700 dollars price range. I am considering the HD650 but i can get ATs cheaper here.
>>52947999
>>52948016
and I could do up to $200 I suppose if they're absolutely fantastic
>>52948023
>$100
well HD800 is worth for me about 120 USD, your point is?..
>>52947994
get a dac/amp for a cheap hit boost
>>52947994
you went from something neutralish to a v shaped bass machine. big deal
>>52948016
yeah but im worried, since you like rap that im going to recommend you the 7506 which is more neutral but will have almost no bass. the xpt100 will have more bass, but not too much, but be less neutral the rest of the way. your choice
>>52948031
at $200 id say msr7
>>52947994
This first time I ever tried the HD800 was the greatest. After that the same thing you have described happened but it still sounds crisp and clear.
>>52948058
I really appreciate the advice, and the Otium beats are memes I should stay away from?
>>52948026
>wing system
>>52948103
most certainly
>>52948044
and just like the 600/650 outshine the 800, the er4pt/s outshine the se846.
>>52948071
even though I just made fun of people buying super expensive audio equipment I think I will eventually shell out for hd 800's.
but then I'm done, no more.
or so I say
>>52948058
those are all over ear headphones m90
>>52948135
>"Warning (for California residents only): Please note per Proposition 65 that this product may contain chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.”
>>52948153
even my left testicle has this warning on it it means nothing
>>52945838 →
Any kind of headphones you're interested in, as in regular dynamic ones, planars or electrostatics?
>>52947905
lol rekt
>>52947971
se846 is a bit too bassy even with the less bassy filter. If you want a bassy IEM just get klipch s4
>>52948135
i want the hd600 because i have huge ears and they have one of the biggest entry points of any headphone
>>52948138
oh, i just assumed since you didnt even know what neutrality, open/closed, or source meant, that you probably thought on ear meant over-ear.
in that case, go in the middle of 1 and 200 and get the vmoda xs. definitely your best bet
>>52948177
>want the hd600
meant hd800 here
>>52948005
>HD598
those are crap.
>>52948167
>basing recommendations on transducer type
Really dumb. The only reason this would ever be relevant is estats needing estat amps.
>>52948127
>650 better than 800
Are you on drugs or smth mane?
>er4pt
I have them and you must have been dropped on forehead when you were a child damaging your hearing. Nigger, 846 is the most balanced and clear universal iems on market, (although I don't own them only tested them in shop and compared to my rig)
to show you more comprehensive analogy when I hear 846
lows are sucking my dick
mids are swallowing my cum
highs are saying "thank you master for allowing to suck you off"
And fuck me, I was skeptical when I have seen the price tag but the result was opposite.
>>52947994
>I had finally made enough with my last paycheck from my shitty job to buy a pair on sale.
Why do some people spend all their money on dumb shit like audio equipment while having nothing to spare?
>>52948177
one of the few things I did know coincidentally, thanks again
>>52948220
cool shitpost, nobody cares.
>>52948225
sure
the xs are very good tonally. quite neutral with good bass
>>52948127
>and just like the 600/650 outshine the 800
>Something that don't reveal more details is better; the post
>>52948222
honey you misunderstand
I set aside some money for nice stuff each paycheck I get.
It's not much, but over time it accumulates.
also I was 17 and living with my mom when I got them.
>>52948250
>treble rape = more detail
no
>>52948233
>cool shitpost, nobody cares.
this ain't /b/ or /a/ its a place where we can discuss about headphones, hence "headphone general"
If you are so sensitive about anything then you should drop 4chan and move to somewhere else if you live on the edge all the time mane
>>52948282
back to head-fi with your terrible opinions
>>52948251
Well, that's fine then.
>>52948290
I don't want go to head-fi, I'm comfy right where I'm currently mane. You're the one who is triggered so go find more suitable place where everyone agrees with you if you can't handle discussion.
>>52948259
Not treble rape but more precise accurate representation of the sound via the drivers that were made of/tech wise.
>>52948322
>discussion
there's no valuable discussion with someone who unironically says shit like
>lows are sucking my dick
>mids are swallowing my cum
>highs are saying "thank you master for allowing to suck you off"
>>52948338
treble rape != more precise accurate representation of the sound, it is a coloration which is literally the opposite.
>>52948250
>>52948220
hes right, though. the hd800 is worse than both the 600 and 650.
i can break it down further though, if you like.
hd600 has very neutral mids and treble, so if you want bass, maybe do the 650.
however the 650's treble is a little low, and will sound a bit veiled (which, what i gather, usually points to headphones that have a bit too low of treble)
the hd800 however has decent bass, but the treble is way too high, and the mids start their rise to 3.5k a little late, completely miss the mark, and then it stays too high through a lot of the treble.
you people must understand that a decent target curve has been achieved. headphones that meet this curve were proven to sound better, the closer they get to it. "better" here means more neutral, or true to the source. and when you compare the 3 headphones from before, the scoring is: hd600, hd650, and hd800 in that order
>>52948362
>muh serkit circlejerking echo chamber
Just kill yourself already
Do people still like the DT880? I find them pretty treble rape.
>>52948220
Please recommend better IEMs like FitEars.
>>52948370
>headphones that meet this curve were proven to sound better
well, no, that's wrong. it was proven to sound 'flat' not 'better'. people have different ideas of what 'better' is hence why people didn't stop research once the DF curve was created.
>>52948376
>muh head-fi buzzword spouting
I'm looking for a headset like this, specifically with the cool boom. Any suggestions?
>>52948393
One of the big three. Usually brings out fanboys to defend (even though there is no direct attack) AKG or Sennheiser cans.
>>52948189
Then I would recommend MrSpeakers Ether, honestly. I like it better than any of the Audeze I tried and it has the benefit of not snapping your neck.
>>52948393
Tonal balance is better than the HD800S. 8KHz spikes are certainly more tolerable than 6KHz region. I can no longer stand the fit though, I feel absolutely everything from the pads to the foam in front of the driver touching my ears to the point where they may as well be on-ears.
>>52948413
Where's the headset meme image?
>>52948393
people that like high treble like them. the ones that dont, dont.
>>52948400
this is why i put better in quotes later on and defined it. but yes, i didnt put that as accurately as i could have. i find myself caring less every time i have to explain it. im glad i didnt decide to become a teacher
>>52948400
Not even the guy you were arguing with. Stop sitting up the thread you obnoxious attention whoring drama queen.
>I-I don't like p-post!
>Budget
~$150 AUD
>Location
Straya
>Source
Nexus 5
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
7-8/10 I guess
>Preferred tonal balance
Balanced maybe a little warm
>Past headphones
Currently using M50s but I want some IEMs for public transport and whatnot. I've never owned a decent pair to date.
I'm currently looking at Etymotic HF5 and ATH IM02
>>52948362
there's no valuable discussion with someone who unironically says shit like
>shit iems
>600/650 outshine the 800
>er4pt/s outshine the se846
>cool shitpost, nobody cares.
>>52948468
measurements prove all of that.
>>52948436
You're the anon who also owns the Benchmark right? Do you EQ the 800S?
>>52948468
>makes shitty controversial post
>jerk off to all the (You)
Fucking attentionwhores man
>>52948362
>lows are sucking my dick
>mids are swallowing my cum
>highs are saying "thank you master for allowing to suck you off"
That was a sarcastic tone of analogy that could describe the experience of listening high quality iems, but it seems you did not get it because the Asperger syndrome is blocking your understanding the underline lightly words, and perhaps you are still a virgin so you can't compare of what "sucking off" can be felt a like comparable to listening experience to make any sense of it.
>>52948448
Found it.
>>52948413
Pic related
>>52948464
If you're fine with your ears getting absolutely raped with a mini dildo go for the HF5. When I tried them, I could not stand it for longer than 5 minutes but it sounded great. Microphonics (cable noise) was unbearable, though.
>>52948413
Whoops! Correct pic related
>>52947493
>GET PURCHASE ADVICE
I dont want to hear my mum's bitching and screaming would HD25II give me peace until i move out?
>>52948524
If you can handle them sitting on your ears (circumaural).
>>52948499
oh shit, a non vrigin without aspergers. can i have your autograph?
>>52948524
so you read some of it but not all of it? try again
>>52948477
>You're the anon who also owns the Benchmark right?
Yup.
>o you EQ the 800S?
I used to, but I got lazy and couldn't be bothered switching EQ profiles whenever I switched between my speakers and headphones. In the sense that your ears will over time get used to them and adjust (which is entirely true IME) I actually lost the desire to EQ every time I put them on. The only harshness I ever notice now is the S's on some vocals being sharp. Mods could help that, at least I hope.
>>52948396
>FitEars
>Noble
>Shure
>k3003
>IE800
The principal is what you want, your sweet spot of sound signature, all of them (+ not mentioned) are top tier IEMs in their own class.
>>52948499
nobody gives a fuck about shitty subjective opinions or reviews of things calling them 'high quality' just because of the price.
>>52948464
>Balanced maybe a little warm
>Ety HF5
Pick one. HF5 is unbalanced with the high end getting a lot more focus than the low end and pretty much the opposite of "warm."
>>52948540
How are you liking compared with the original 800?
>>52948535
>can i have your autograph?
Shure you can!
>>52948245
just bought em anon
I dunno if you give a fuck, maybe it'll give you some sense of fulfillment
>>52948607
thanks man. ill be sure to throw it in a pile of schiit.
>>52948600
Well I took the plunge with the purchase but I'm glad to say the resonator pushed me off of the fence in their direction. I was on that fence because of the nasty sibilance when I listened to the 800 in store buit this has brought them down to a tolerable level.
>>52948579
The build quality is solid, sound is solid, manufacturing and engineering is solid so? price tag 50 usd
My DT880's earpads are fucked.
new pair costs over 30 dollars, and that's a bit fucking pricey for goddamn earpads
Any alternative options?
>>52948611
ive made a fuckload of recommendations, but sure, its nice to hear. be sure to drop a review here when you gettem.
>>52948632
You don't even get to complain about prices, those stingy fucks at Sennheiser decided HD800 pads should be $99.
>>52948540
>I used to, but I got lazy and couldn't be bothered switching EQ profiles
I've been thinking of setting up EQ myself but this is exactly what would happen for me as well.
>>52948632
$30 is fairly reasonable for replacement earpads.
>>52948617
>ill be sure to throw it in a pile of schiit.
The perks of living in the basement next to dog house I suppose...
>>52948647
I had a keybind when I was using PEACE but EQAPO doesn't seem to have that feature on its own.
>>52948646
HD800's are actually high end, expensive headphones though
my 880's are only a fraction of the cost.
>>52948647
Fuck, man fine.
>>52948636
will do
>>52948540
>I will be that guy
Why buy 2000 usd dac if you can get sound card made by asus for less than 200 usd that have the same sound and can amp hd800/s
>>52948673
Well, HD600/650 replacement pads are $60, so be glad Beyer aren't as Jewish as Sennheiser.
>>52948673
>HD800's are actually high end, expensive headphones though
Haven't you heard the news?
>>52948127
HD800 is shit, get yourself HD600
>>52948516
>>52948591
Right. Guess I'm learning towards the IM02s then. Hifiman RE400 seem ok. Though the build quality and features seem somewhat lacking given that it's so close in price to the IM02
>>52948673
For the record the black pads I have on my 880 were actually >used ones I got sent to a friend via Amazon CA because he was heading here for a visit. Used may sound like a bad idea for pads but these were still brand new, it appears the person who bought them just mistakenly got them assuming they were identical to the silver pads.
Ended up being CDN$ 20.09 or ~$15USD.
>>52947659
bumping for pls help
>>52948698
>HD600/650 replacement pads are $60
I'm manually retarded and never head about soap or tap water.
>>52948698
http://www.amazon.com/Earpads-Replacement-Cushions-Sennheiser-Headphones/dp/B00P3T6ZKW
>$16
>>52948686
I don't think you understand how disgustingly inconvenient soundcards are, or anything that doesn't involve a physical knob at physical reach or a remote.
>>52948718
It's well-known actually that the Senn earpads compress over time, which slowly changes the sound to be warmer over a period of years. You can't fix that with soap.
>>52948719
20% of reviews are 1-star though which is quite a feat on Amazon.
I was also assuming the 880 anon was talking about official replacement pads.
>>52945838 here
R8 me m8s
>Ether
>Magni Modi 2
>PM3
Expensive DACs are a meme, right?
>>52948735
I'm sorry you are correct 100%.
Lets bump this up a bit and replace Benchmark with pic related. Your objective feels sir?
>>52948764
Certainly looks nice, can't say I've seen it. Is that from ASUS? Are there measurements?
>>52948716
nigga you've been deciding for ages.
With that budget you might as well use your Amazon gift card balance and get K612+E10k or something. Because you're probably going to need an amp at this price range no matter how much you try to avoid it.
Sennheiser HD 600 and a JDS Labs O2/ODAC...
should I pull the trigger? Am I going to became a meme fucking shit?
>>52948748
Regardless there are clearly less expensive sources that far undercut the claimed "$60." Such as:
http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Sennheiser-Headphone-Cushion-Earpads/dp/B00TGCDG90/
>>52948790
Make sure to complete the meme ritual with some anime art on top of the O2/ODAC.
>>52948790
Dumb frogposter, you already are a meme. At least you are making the right choice.
>>52948783
...i-it's my f-first post i swear...
also this isn't amazon money. this is on my debit card so I can buy anywhere I want.
Is this worth it if I'm mostly going to use it for anime, classical music and vidya?
>>52948795
Not sure how faithful to the original those are but there have been measurements and experiements that show just how vital the HD6x0 pads are to the sound and how badly other ones fuck it up.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/d9kb768up61eh3b/HD650_modifications.pdf
>>52948822
Never use a cannon to swat a fly.
>>52948338
Complete bullshit t. HD 800 owner.
>>52948795
Oh that doesn't look bad actually.
>>52948810
Well there was an anon with an RME Babyface spending ages trying to decide between DT880 and HD600. I figured that was you.
Anyway my K612+E10k recommendation still stands. Buy the E10k outside of Amazon since it's somewhat overpriced there at the moment.
>>52948764
Damn, this looks pretty good. Knobs are pretty much the best.
>>52948807
>>52948808
this will be the first <$250 set of headphones I'll be getting, and the first amp/dac that I purchase. i'm just weary of buying, i have the money but it's a big step and decision for me. just want to know if anyone has personal experience with the two items.
>>52948829
>Not sure how faithful to the original those are
How many trivial objections do you have? First you claim that Amazon reviews should be regarded and when ones that are cheaper and are higher rated than official Sennheiser pads are provided you raise another trivial objection.
>>52948822
Yes. Listening to your favourite seiyuu through those will be amazing, hearing every smack of their nippon lips and spit in superior electrostat detail.
>>52948847
>Well there was an anon with an RME Babyface spending ages trying to decide between DT880 and HD600. I figured that was you.
...n..n-no...
>>52948872
>First you claim that Amazon reviews should be regarded and when ones that are cheaper and are higher rated than official Sennheiser pads are provided you raise another trivial objection.
That wasn't me. That was my first post in that reply chain.
>>52948888
>That wasn't me.
You'll excuse me if I don't believe you as there is no evidence to the otherwise.
>>52948822
kind of pricey for what your going to use it for, you might as well get a good amp+dac and a K702
>>52948887
Man fuck you and decide already.
>>52948895
That really wasn't him. I'm >>52948847
>Oh that doesn't look bad actually.
>>52948290
>back to head-fi
On head-fi you can discuss and share with other people opinions of high end stuff there and get get a good description of their initial feelings when they compare something thats 1000$ to other 1000$ (or more) expensive unit because they can afford more than one item from top tier list and compare, analyze and give their verdict on them.
Where (You) for example answer is typical to poor fag who have never heard about job or saving up, so thats why your main frame of mind is locked in these categories:
>back to *name here*
>not worth
>too expensive
>60% more expensive, 6% better
>too big
>too small
>brand
>ugly to wear
and so on.
>>52948895
Considering how easy it is to fake there's no point of a screenshot and I would never stoop to the level of tripfagging.
>>52948624
Ah, I see. Well thanks, I was considering getting the S too.
>>52948912
They're still an HD800 if that's what you're wondering. Despite the fact that some idiots on Head-Fi like to exaggerate things to the point where people think the S is the HD850.
>>52948904
>That really wasn't him. I'm >>52948847
And how am I supposed to know you are not samefagging?
It seems another pointless to argue this. Either way it seems to be a completely trivial objection to the refutation of "Sennheiser replacements cost $60."
>>52948776
>>52948851
>check em
http://www.head-fi.org/t/668495/review-asus-xonar-essence-stu
>>52948923
Are you desperately clinging to the idea of samefagging as some form of argument? I really don't see why you would otherwise be doing so.
>>52948935
Will have a read, thanks.
>>52948923
>And how am I supposed to know you are not samefagging?
Stop being paranoid for one.
>>52948790
Sure.
>>52948943
>Are you desperately clinging to the idea of samefagging as some form of argument?
I stated arguing it was pointless but clearly there might be a point in illuminating poor reading comprehension. . .
>>52948955
As has been noted, it is easy to fake. Also as has been noted it is pointless to argue.
Someone clearly still wants to argue it after I've tried to drop it.
>>52948922
Yeah, I know, still, I've been wanting an 800 for a long time. The faggots on head-fi actually just say the differences are subtle, but there.
>>52948943
I take back the thing about reading. I didn't realize it was a -review-. The photos were neat at least.
>>52948988
I dunno man, the things I've read about the bass extension remind me of why I don't go there outside of seeking photos when new products are released.
I just got the chance to snag some brand new DT880's (premium 600 ohm) for $215. Should I take this or try to find an HD 600 or K702?
>>52949012
Yeah that's probably for the best, but you know what they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>52949074
What sort of amplification do you have? Just onboard? It's a good deal but they're fairly hard to drive.
>>52949088
..RME babyface and onboard c:
>>52949098
For the last time, you need an amp.
>>52949105
I can get one. it's not a big deal. I just don't know which headphone to pick but I think that I'm going to have to just pick one. The DT880 seems more detailed and analytical, has a better soundstage tha HD600, and the HD600 seems more "fun" to listen to, maybe?
>>52949120
> the HD600 seems more "fun" to listen to, maybe?
The HD600 is flatter and more neutral, which means it may actually sound more boring since it doesn't emphasize anything. The DT880 would sound brighter and probably more "fun" with better bass extension. Its biggest issue is a treble spike but the 880 still has a pretty neutral tonal balance.
$215 is a good price so go for it.
So I received M50x as a present and I understand it's meme status but it's my first "decent" pair. So what I'm asking is, how do I EQ to make them more balanced?
I installed EqualizerAPO and Peace but I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
Essentially, I don't want to experiment, just show me what to do and that's all.
>>52949180
I'd suggest finding an existing EQAPO config for the M50x and using that as a base for tweaking. Should be a good start as it should theoretically be targeting the M50x's problems.
>>52949359
>your average k-pop/waifu enthusiast
>>52949359
>Windows
Whoever made that could have put a little effort in.
>>52949380
sorry but, i have a waifu and love kpop and that guy is a retard
anyone have an equalizerAPO config file for MDR V6s
I'd like to reduce the sibilance
>>52949393
Don't be so harsh on yourself, you can improve on your life.
>>52949408
at 9khz, make a peak filter with a q of about 4.5 with an amplitude of -7.5db, and tell me if thats good enough
I'd like to hear your opinions on the V-moda Crossfade M-100 combined with a Fiio E07k DAC/amp. These would be both my home and portable headphones.
I am by no means an audiophile or headphone expert but I've bought two V-moda in ear buds before and I've been very satisfied with them for portable listening. I especially love the emphasis on bass since I listen to plenty of EDM and love the extra punch. The style and durability is a plus for me too.
However they sound, I'm sure they will be a big step up from my current gaymen headset with a crackling amd/DAC and cans that rattle with any bass.
Thoughts?
can anyone tell me the differences between an e10k and o2/dac combo? is the o2 combo worth the extra dinero?
also, does anyone have experience with the fiio k5? looks pretty nifty and has lots of in/outputs.
>>52949453
why not j ust fill out the form? if you need closed around 200, the msr7 will be better
>>52948220
SE846 is a dark sounding IEM and way too bassy for me. ER-4S is in another league with the clarity. Too bad about the comfort. That said SE846 is too bulky. SE535 is the best Shure imo but also too dark, even the LE.
>>52949200
I stole this from >HeadFi and is it alright? I feel I might have fucked up somehow.
Just got the Audeze can and amp last night. Will have a through listening when I finally get some time off work.
I have ATH-AD700s. I still love them but will I get mocked for owning them now?
>>52949550
>>52949555
open back? how much did you pay?
>>52949550
>>52949563
You're going to need -12dB on the preamp for that which will make things much quieter and suddenly your onboard(?) solution may not be enough.
>>52949594
Can't remember, it was a few years ago.
>>52949612
this. need to preamp.
>>52949613
only a few years? should have gotten hd558.
Budget: Max 300, would prefer to keep it at less.
>Location: Italy
I need a DAC and AMP combo with USB in and either optical out or rca out but only if it has an RCA input. My speakers have rca in and optical in, so I can either connect my PC through with optical and my turntable with RCA and switch sources through the speakers, or get a unified solution.
The two things that would do these are the Micca Origen and the JDS Element, but one is too expensive and the other one is not sold in europe.
Thanks.
>>52949477
>>52949477
Try the different tips. (the white ones, they boost the highs, see pic related)
Nonetheless I have tried only with standard ones (blue) and overall the warmth, precision and soft highs were pleasing for me... very... jaw dropping. Or perhaps I had for longer time Senn's and when multi layered base jumped to my throat I couldn't get the clue of wtf was going on around anymore...
Also it may depend on each person but between ER-4S and SE846, both have clarity, SE846 is cutting off the bass frequencies and not bloating mids or highs at all.
Highs, yes ER-4S is brighter, where SE846 job is to be soft as possible at the levels of highs so I think its not fatiguing for longer sessions. So in term of being natural sounding, the idea is not treble rape ear but extend enough to cover the spectrum of frequencies that are perceivable when listening music.
>>52949612
Anything else? I can say that I'm definitely enjoying these a lot more.
>>52949708
Find a chart illustrating what different frequency ranges correspond to as far as sounds go and tweak them to better suit your preferences. Just keep in mind your preamp has to be down by at least the highest gain you have in any filter on the EQ. If you bring that 12dB gain @ 5700Hz down you can increase the preamp accordingly until you hit the 10dB gain @ 20kHz
>>52949728
I'm not really one to go too far into experimenting but I might tweak that part a little.
Definitely hearing the difference and it's absolutely amazing.
>>52949766
er, you dont need all 12. only as much as the highest one you have, like he said.
Hello you fine faggots I'm looking for a cheap DAC with an amp that can take both XLR and line inputs and drive headphones/output to studio monitors. What do you guys suggest?
I looked at the M-Track but I'm concerned the phantom power isn't sufficient like some people in Amazon reviews mentioned.
>>52949644
I don't find ER-4S particularly bright or fatiguing and regardless of the dampers the SE846 is way too dark.
>>52949805
While that looks nice, it doesn't really take any recording inputs and has an unbalanced output. If possible, I'd like a balanced output for the monitors.
Is there a guide or anything I can look at? I'd love to buy a DACMagic+ but
>$500
>>52949808
Must suck having hearing damage. Probably one of those 90s kids that blasted music out of apple earbuds at max volume.
>>52949778
Explain further? I'm really trying my best to understand how EQ works.
why would anyone buy a HD600/650 when these exist?
serious question btw
>>52949868
Price?
>>52949808
>I don't find ER-4S particularly bright
They extend up to 17 kHz vs 12 kHz SE846, so how they are not bright?
>>52949880
an equivalent to 388 usd when converted from my currency
>>52949894
I don't think you understand what bright means.
>>52949808
>>52949477
>ER-4S is in another league with the clarity
brightness up, dynamics down.
For how long should I blast my new K702s with continuous music before they start to sound good?
>>52949900
I was giving a reason as to why people buy the Senns over 400i. They're like $150 more according to amazon and in Australia, $300 more.
>36 unique posters
>>52947994
This nigga understands. Hell, I have an in home studio and have been recording for 4 years, I still think for enjoyment purposes mid-ranged phones with an amp is about the best sound you're going to get without getting into snake oil territory. Audiophilism is a disease that people with too much disposable income get involved with that use frequency charts to justify $2k for an amp.
>>52949859
>Probably one of those 90s kids that blasted music out of apple earbuds at max volume.
What do you do when apple earbuds don't isolate you from ambient noise that you could enjoy the music enough? You turn up the volume up.
>>52949868
Different sound signature.
>>52949864
you just need that green line to never be above 0db. so up the preamp until its close but not over to get some more digital volume out of it
>>52949966
>Jinrui
my nigga
>>52949962
but i use frequency charts and i have a 350 amp+dac
Best closed headphones for under $300 please. I'm using m50x (sometimes with scarlett 2i2 if on desktop) sounds amazing, but I want to see if anything else will blow my mind.
>>52949991
nad viso hp50 should do just that
>>52948162
this senpai: basically there's no repercussions for using the prop 65 warning when there's no danger, but there's a HUGE fine if you don't use it when you use something that is on the schedule.
And the grounds for that shit is stuff like microscopic traces of lead in solder or using air filters in a factory that also contained X or Y previously at some point in time.
It's bullshit.
>>52949912
In short.
Treble relative to mids x bass to mids x transparency = dark/bright/natural
>>52949859
Hearing damage now?
>>52949894
What? Also extension up to 12kHz is pretty inexcusable for 1k IEMs.
>>52949916
The opposite. Close to flat response with no high Q resonances and extension throughout the spectrum important in music. That equals clarity and wonderfully detailed sound. What do you mean by "dynamics" when the discussion is about a sound signature of an in-ear monitor which is static. Is that just a pretty word for coloration?
>>52949973
I see. I used -9 here.
>>52950038
perfect
now go forth and conquer the world with your newfound knowledge
>>52950049
Nice
>>52947676
Updated
>>52950025
>What do you mean by "dynamics"
What I mean that ER-4S are compressed as fuck compared to the SE846.
>Is that just a pretty word for coloration?
Your pretty coloration is on pair for both headphones.
>What? Also extension up to 12kHz is pretty inexcusable for 1k IEMs.
Its doing pretty good job for IEM that has top class in world bass response and how layered, smooth, how deep can go without interfering other freqs. with crystal smooth mids and soft highs.
I would say it could go even for 1500$
>>52950186
>top class in world bass
>layered, smooth
>crystal smooth mids
>soft highs
holy shit fuck off already head-fier trash, nobody wants to hear about how absolutely fuckall you know about audio.
>>52949977
>tfw no more fairies
>>52950217
>holy shit fuck off already head-fier trash
Stop being so bitter.
>>52950254
stop spewing out nonsensical horseshit in a futile effort to sound like you know what you're talking about.
>>52950265
The question is, if you know what are you talking about instead of being all this time bitter.
So is everyone here some non-audio engineer?
>The tones are warm.
>I like the extra bass.
So you guys buy defunct equipment to do what your software can do? You never thought of actually getting something studio quality and trying to make a living off of your "hobby"? And for God's sake, your Mongolian Picture Shows don't require $500 headphones, you money-wasting autists.
>>52950272
excuse me, it's cambodian puppeteering.
>>52950269
back to head-fi you go. i don't visit that site so i can avoid reading shit like what you're saying.
>headphone
>>52950186
>What I mean that ER-4S are compressed as fuck compared to the SE846.
You are still on about the same shit. What does "compressed" mean here exactly? It certainly is not the kind of compression used in audio production where you normalize the volume difference becuase that is not what audio transducers do.
>Your pretty coloration is on pair for both headphones.
If you invent your own target for neutrality sure. By any other target, especially for the most commonly used Diffuse Field, the SE846 is far from the accuracy of ER-4S.
>Its doing pretty good job for IEM that has top class in world bass response and how layered, smooth, how deep can go without interfering other freqs. with crystal smooth mids and soft highs.
You can refrain from posting any more subjective impressions until you explain what exactly do these terms mean. You sound like some Shure rep in a Head-Fi appreciation thread.
>>52950294
fantastic drivers those are.
>>52950272
I'm studying to become a sound engineer...
I don't really post shit like that though, I just came here to ask for DAC recommendations...
>>52949554
Whew, LCD-3. How much did that cost you?
>>52949554
Why on earth would you buy the Deckard.
>>52950296
I wonder if you ever had any of these headphones in the first place, there is no subjective impressions or feeling "because A is more expensive than B". 846 has been taken care about how engineered it was so my sentence stands still about the final product itself:
>Its doing pretty good job for IEM that has top class in world bass response and how layered, smooth, how deep can go without interfering other freqs. with crystal smooth mids and soft highs.
I could write pages about different types of music and how it performs in different levels or situations. From nigger music to more solo performance on contrabass or more relaxed violin.
But you still don't fucking get it that ER-4S is transparent (same as 846) and emphases on being bright IEM because the bass is lacking to the mids. So yes for 300 USD is a perfect choice of what you get, for you it may be like god send absolute meta but its lacking, same as SE846 may lack for those who want different sound signature.
Thats why for 1000+ USD starts to get more interesting because there are some players for each different tastes and likes. IE800, k3003, SE836, K10, FitEar and so on. You pay for that 5% better sound, build quality and engineering so there is no surprises there.
>If you invent your own target for neutrality sure. By any other target, especially for the most commonly used Diffuse Field, the SE846 is far from the accuracy of ER-4S.
Colorations/Transparency are served on both sides, where 846 is working hard on all 3 levels from lows to highs to sound accurate and transparent, where ER-4S is to maintain mids and highs high quality and laid back bass.
>You sound like some Shure rep in a Head-Fi appreciation thread.
How did you know? I get paid a heavy bonus for each Shure IEM sold on /hpg/
>You can refrain from posting any more subjective impressions until you explain what exactly do these terms mean
I will explain... in my next post because I hit my post limit with this one.
>>52950414
The same price as what any store would have it listed at.
>>52950468
It's a great value for the price since it's an amp/dac combo. Do you have an issue with this specific amp?
>>52950513
It's terribly overpriced and it doesn't perform well. The Schiit stack is much better at a fraction of the cost.
>>52950513
>It's a great value for the price since it's an amp/dac combo. Do you have an issue with this specific amp?
no its not. the o2/odac, magni modi combo, element, and countless others are much better for less cost...
>there's an idiot actually defending the SE846 with head-fi buzzwords and other audiophoolery garble.
does he not realize where he is? also why are you fucks replying
>>52950566
>there's an idiot actually defending the SE846 with head-fi buzzwords and other audiophoolery garble.
I don't need to defend nothing. Because it makes no point or sense by doing it. I only like to discuss and try to see other person point of view but unfortunately that person is making some cheap misdirections of what is better or not, rather than "how" it makes "something" better than something.
The circle repeats itself with not only SE846 but other headphones as well. (Sennheisers, Audeze)
>>52950539
>>52950529
Not gonna argue with your taste>my taste since this is just pointless. Will just point out that if those Shiit stack are so good then why would Shiit ever bother making other amps and dacs? Not to mention having it priced more than your precious stack.
>>52950566
also
>buzzwords
This kind of perception happens when you lack expression on the matter or topic at hand.
>>52950626
Who said anything about other amps? I'm saying the Deckard is bad, especially for $699. The $200 stack is better than them. That's not to say the stack are the end of the line and nothing is better.
>>52950626
to make money of the "audiophile" community
why do you think they made a tube amp? Because they think it's better? No because there's a lot of retards out there that spend 800$ on a tube amp for no reason
>>52950642
you can't explain the meaning behind the vague terms you use, your posts are riddled with opinions and nothing else yet you try to 'validate' your ridiculous claims with 'engineering' on Shure's behalf and the price of them. just stop posting if you're not going to say anything worthwhile. as stated numerous times already, take your 'liquid smooth buttery midrange' and 'deep, solid, tight bass' back to head-fi.
>>52950677
are you trying to force this or something?
>>52950294
>ginormous back loaded horn
>whizzer
>>52950645
I've tried the stack a long long time ago and wasn't impressed by it at all. The Deckard and the Burson Soloist played nice with the LCDs when I was testing em out at the store. ended up picking the Deckard since I wanted the all in one option this time around.
what's with this sudden influx of idiotphiles? quick somebody post some fr graphs to scare them away.
>Budget
£100-200
>Location
UK
>Source
Desktop / Laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Must be comfy la
>Preferred music
Classical, K-Pop, C-Pop, Dad rock & Country
>Past headphones
Sony MDR-V6
>>52948396
JH Audio (Siren Series)
Empire Ears
1964 ears
Any of them are great. Check out what suits your sound preference and if you can, go for customs. Imo the JH sirens are best because adjustable bass (I have Angie's).
>>52950677
please report this idiot
>>52950692
>played nice with
alright clearly were not getting through to you because you dont understand how shit works.
>>52950699
seriously, i dont know what the fuck is going on
>>52950474
Neither of them are transparent and transparency as a concept can't really be used for sound reproduction devices unlike it can for audio codecs, DA-converters and amplifiers. All listening devices color the sound by varying amounts and are practically always audibly altering the response in some way. Even after equalization there could still be differences because of distortion and in the case of shallow fit in ears and headphones, resonances due to individual differences in the shape of outer ear and ear canal.
Out of all the 1k IEMs you mentioned only FitEar has some decent units. IE800 and K3003 are just downright bad for the price, SE846 is underwhelming to put it lightly and I don't see how any one of them are better sound quality wise than ER-4S past preferences for colored sound signature. Where are you pulling the 5% figure from? How exactly do you quantify this if not based on a target response like DF?
1k price point is interesting because of the lack of worthwhile options there and past it. It's mostly just over engineered and overpriced products with fancy words painting the sound to something magical it clearly isn't as evidenced by measurements.
>working hard on all three levels
It's getting a bit cringe-y. What's with the distinction of vague areas of frequency response? What levels? SE846 is a dark sounding IEM with a ton of bass, poor extension and in my opinion muddy sound because of this. I find it funny how Shure even considers it their flagship because it performs worse than SE535.
>>52950701
just do 20 more and get hd600
>>52950699
Here is the ER-4S with DF compensation.
>>52950744
>Sennheiser
>>52950744
He has no amp though.
>>52950755
fuck off
>>52950758
some say its doable, but if hes worried, or wants to save money, hd558 of course
>>52950669
Are you retarded? Or never took any English classes that you have some issues of expressing the audio/music you perceive with your equipment? Well I will be honest with you, I don't quite understand your way of thinking as well, by what is something better with no back up to support your claim on the matter. You just say "its better" - "its worse" and thats all.
>'liquid smooth buttery midrange'
mid range can be smooth and clear not liquid so you misunderstand this one
>'deep, solid, tight bass'
bass can sound tight and solid on open type headphones where closed ones can have that fluid and smoothness (reverb) and reaching very low deeps of sub bass.
As bonus!
Layers are more or less perceived as how another note can be transformed to another note or how can co exist with other note without blending, or being behind and veiled at the same time. (good example would be two types of the same instrument that don't synch in perfect way)
I'm using "smooth" term a lot but this is key word to describe how driver is capable to reproducing the different frequencies and their accuracy overall. Harsh (or rough) sound makes the experience more forgiving for less analytical listening where its covering the imperfections of recording.
>>52950791
He might as well go with the AKG shilling and get K612/702 with an E10k at that price range, especially since he can get euro prices.
>>52950813
sure, ill agree with that. k612 with e10k though, not the k702, unless detached cable is a must
>>52950797
talking out your ass doesn't make anything you say any more legible. consider actually learning something about audio before running your mouth, you're only embarrassing yourself.
>>52950797
>'m using "smooth" term a lot but this is key word to describe how driver is capable to reproducing the different frequencies and their accuracy overall. Harsh (or rough) sound makes the experience more forgiving for less analytical listening where its covering the imperfections of recording.
this is completely backwards. 'smooth' literally means laid back and forgiving. 'harsh' is in no way 'less' analytical, in general harsh headphones tend to be more 'analytical' see hd800, dt880.
seriously if you're going to stoop to meme buzzwords because you can't form a decent argument or describe how something sounds like a non-idiot, at least use your buzzwords correctly.
