/wt/ watch thread:
This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
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>>52369905
Today Seiko announced another new line of divers, "Transocean"
https://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/news/pressrelease/posts/493/20160113
They're supposed to be dressy divers ("designed to fit under a shirt cuff"), MSRP around $1000 in USD, 6R15 movement with ceramic bezel, diashield coated case, AR coated sapphire crystal, and diver's extension. 45mm diameter (fuck). Hopefully those end up in the US too because they look pretty neat aside from being huge.
>>52396833
>huge crown at 4
why
>>52389867
I have a blue one on bracelet. The bracelet is definitely worth getting. Its quality is pretty good. You would spend a lot for a good aftermarket bracelet and you wouldn't even get the fitting end links.
The blue dial looks great - almost black in certain lights, and a nice sunburst deep blue in others.
I haven't seen the black one so I can't say how good it is.
>>52396833
>45mm diameter
Fuck. You'd think the moonlanders would make a smaller watch for their tiny wrists.
>>52396833
Dem lugs though. No thanks.
>>52396914
I think those are one of the best parts, but then again I love all the edgy-case Seikos. I may well end up buying one but I just wish they had made it more like 40-42mm especially since they claim it's supposed to be "dressy".
>>52396833
Another 'collaboration' that has jack shit to do with their partner. I swear these were leaked ages ago, 2big4me
>>52396980
Well only 2 of the references are collaborations, the other 3 are regular production but yeah those special edition ones are about as stupid as every other special edition watch. Unfortunately I guess 2016 is not going to be the year watches return to reasonable sizes, I wonder how long this dumb trend will last.
>>52396956
I like the lugs and bracelet, it's the narrow centre part I meant meaning you are stuck with the stock bracelet unless you can adapt something else.
>>52396956
For me the best edgy Seiko is the Shogun.
>>52397037
http://www.mcbroom.biz/PMWF/DIY-Strap-notching-tutorial-SCWF-Thomas.htm
>>52396833
These are cool but holy shit way too big. If they were 40mm or even 42 I would be all over one but no matter how dressy the styling and how thin they are at that size they're going to look stupid. You'd think Seiko would be making watches appropriately sized for bitch wristed manlet cheese nips, not these gargantuan monstrosities.
>>52396214
Seems we lack our regular shitposters.
armida or alpha daytona homage?
Alpha is 199$ and armida 299$
>>52399058
>>52399075
>>52399075
its a mechanical chronometer for under 200
obviously alpha
>>52399089
>chronometer
>>52399089
Its a mechanical chronograp. But White or Black dial?
The armida looks really good in white though, and Im a bit worried about chinese chrono movement
GOAT
>>52399159
The Armida uses a Miyota 6S50 quartz movement. The Alpha uses the ST-19 or a derivative of it, which is made using the same tooling as the old Venus 175 movement.
I have a Seagull 1963 with the ST-19 in it, and it has been great for me.
>>52399320
pic?
>>52399320
Also the problem is that I might have the St19 for 5 years working but the miyota for 20yrs before service...
>>52399336
Here you go.
>>52399403
Same for any mechanical watch though. The ST-19 is identical to the old Swiss chrono movement so watchmakers shouldn't have issues.
>>52399336
Butt shot. Apologies for the lighting.
>>52399607
I hate how good the ST19 looks :/
But in any case, go white dial or black? A real dilemma imo. But I own one black chrono so...
>>52399554
It is pretty reasonable to expect a cheap old-ass chrono design manufactured in china to break sooner than most jap or swiss mechanicals (heck, maybe even ruskies, they aren't exactly known for being unreliable)
alpha also isn't known for being too reliable, I've heard several accounts of problems with the screw down pushers
>>52399645
white is plenty more distinctive
I'd go white for sure
>>52399665
Thanks for info, I'll probably stick to quartz and just enjoy my non chrono auto pieces instead.
>>52399645
My 1963 isn't the same ones you get on sites like longislandwatch it was from the WUS F72 thread, but it's very similar. The overall quality of the project and how satisfied people were leads me to believe that other companies with the ST-19 don't have the same QC as these people did.
I'd say go for white since you've got a black one. Which black chronograph have you?
>>52399723
Random swiss, a quartz one, got it as a graduation gift so I can never sell it.
>>52399702
Anybody else wanna chime in?
>>52398712
That looks great! Where'd you get it? I want to do a komandirskie mod with this bezel now
>>52399800
Left one looks better.
>>52399807
As per usual, the list of things needed.
>Vostok Komandirskie 431171 30$~
>Aftermarket bezel by Boris_gvb, without an insert 25$~ (eBay)
>Seiko 7002 aftermarket insert 8$~
>Shitty waterdamaged spiedel strap
>>52399800
You could get a mechaquartz anon.
>>52399800
Looks totally generic and unoriginal.
got this guy for Christmas (lost camera sd card sorry for stock photo)
currently my favorite watch 24hr/3date meme aside
slightly domed crystal, looks fucking sharp and currently taken a better beating than my SNK, seems like their mineral crystal is harder than seikos hardex or whatever its called.
kinda do like quartz for muh accuracy, only 2 seconds off half way through the month so far (and its got semi-hacking)
next step is a chrono,
should i go for one of those kinetic seikos?
I feel like its /smarter/ to get a quartz chrono than a mechnical, but i dunno.
maybe a russian mech chrono?
>inb4 your watch is trash
at least i wear mine in good health, how about you? :^)
That's what I get for trying to buy a meme watch online.
Could it be just the battery (the first digit sometimes partially disappears when pressing the light button) or is it fucked? It doesn't seem to have any obvious signs of being fake, though.
>>52399075
>tfw want a alpha just to look sharp with my sony alpha camera
are they decent?
>>52400246
>at least i wear mine in good health, how about you? :^)
I take dicks in the ass in good health, doesn't make me any less of a fagget.
Your watch is trash, you could get so much better from Citizen.
>>52396894
>>52396877
>>52396980
>He has a shit girl wrist
I wear a 50 mm plastic shit and it looks normal on me.
>pro-tip:your 7 inch wrist is actually like 6.3
A 45 mm on a 7 inch wrist would be small-medium.
>>52400365
>I wear a 50 mm plastic shit and it looks normal on me.
Actually, my African friend, it does not
>>52400365
>A 45 mm on a 7 inch wrist would be small-medium.
What? I have a 44mm and on my 7 1/2 inch wrist it's still big as hell. Also I am 100% certain that 50mm piece of shit looks dumb as fuck on you.
>>52400255
Hold down the bottom right button a few seconds.
Is this worth the price?
>>52400546
Sure, if you want a completely ruined nice watch
I've got around £200 ($300) and I'm looking to invest in a nice watch. Any recommendations?
>>52400497
It shows "Casio", but again without the third character. Fakes don't show anything at all?
>>52400633
Correct, but the third character thing seems a bit odd.
Contact whoever you bought it from and complain.
>>52400546
>indice bubbles dont properly align in that hex grid
>BALR
trash, if the indices stood out and were aligned, and it didnt say BALR on it, would be a nice watch
go for the classic sub, i think they make em in black too these days
or get like an omega if you're not trolling and have that kinda money to blow on a watch
>>52400546
Get a Bamford / Blaken rep and toss it in the bin when you get tired of it.
Not even a SubC deserves that fate.
>>52400699
>and it didnt say BALR
But I'm footballer. It's my identity.
>>52400735
Get a limited edition Omega or even Hublot for the cup you played in.
If all you desire is an expensive submariner, get a white gold / blue one.
>>52400730
>>52400758
this fucking this
if they took more time with that hex design i would tottaly be down with that watch, but its driving my OCD fucking crazy
why not just get a classy richy white gold one
or go with a classic subbie but black? pic related
they also make a black milgaus which imho looks stupidly sexy (pic related)
i don't know why it says BALR but it probably has nothing to do with footbal, and more to do with black people being "ballers"
>>52400365
plastic watches tend to "wear smaller" I believe
I mean this g-shock is something like 52mm and my wrist is something like 7 inches, sure it looks big but still
>>52400546
>>52400735
>>52400699
U WAN PWAY BALR?
Yesterday i went for my physical at my doctor's office while wearing my beloved olive Nato'ed Seiko 5. I saw him take a few quick admiring glances at it but knowing that he wears a Rolex Deepsea Sea Dweller didn't think much of it as how could he understand the history behind my majestic timepiece if he's wearing an overpriced piece of metal, right?
Imagine my surprise when he took my pulse and proclaimed that my heart was beating as accurately as the "movement of a renowned Seiko 5"!!! My mouth dropped open and all I could do is stare. He then smiled wryly at me and opened his lab coat which contained an immaculate black Seiko 5 on black Nato in his inside pocket. He looked at me and said "the Rolex is just for appearances as my patients think it means prestige and trust. But as I strive for excellence I know I can appreciate the true value of the fine craftmanship and timetelling expertise achieved by this masterpiece so thus I keep this close to me heart as a reminder of what I should strive for and wear it with pride and respect while the Rolex is taken off immediately after work".
He winked at me and wished me a "long and healthy life" all the while smirking.
Best doctor ever!
>>52396214
sauce on this sexy watch
>>52401802
>He winked at me
Yep, he wanted to put it in your butt
>>52401802
Wow now watches have fan fiction.
>>52401802
Now that's one entirely new dimension of faggotry.
I bet you suck dodecadimensional cocks.
>>52401802
9/10 pasta
I really want to like negative display watches, but looking up pictures of them, it seems like I couldn't read them if I got one. That sucks.
>>52400666
Satan here is right. Its probably a fault, try getting a new one, it obviously not being a fake and all that.
I like the design of this. Big, cheap watch. Centrally displayed time. Nice and big. Good aesthetic.
>>52401802
Ayyy lmao, best pasta, I remember it from a while back, nice.
Where can I get a strap like this guy has ? Did some searching but couldn't find one.
>>52402958
Seems to be a brown cordura strap.
Pretty sure you can get a Hadley Roma made one for about 20$.
Depends if I'm dressed in a ''sporty'' way or more Classy. But love to wear this bad boy. Surprisingly light for such a watch.
>>52400262
I have their Planet Ocean with a black bezel and it's great. Keeps time well enough, hasn't lost/gained a minute in the 3 days I've had it going. Only downside is the cunts put screw links on the watch band and I can't get the fuckers out. Taking it to a jewellers tomorrow so they can deal with that shit.
>mfw waiting for my new watch in the mail
>>52403780
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your mfw waiting for watch reply up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" happy Akari, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about waiting for his watch. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic Akari posting NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is ">mfw waiting for my new watch in the mail" You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old post that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
>>52403876
Holy fuck you guys are fags
>>52404110
sup homo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTE7TWsNpVk
Post comfy watch videos
Here's mine pretty proud i have another one too
>>52404110
I'm sure that you as a regular OP and resident tripfag would have the most exact knowledge about faggotry :)
>>52404167
that music
>>52404169
The forst one cost me 367€ however i did not like the design as much as the timpeland i wear now costed 220€ love them both
>>52404228
After observing people like you, my emoticon posting friend, I'm an expert
>>52404294
>>52404169
This is bait right?
>>52404294
D O G S H I T
Pretty much newfag to watches, so was thinking about getting an automatic watch for more casual / business look (I'm 21)
Thinking about the Tissot luxury automatic (T-classic) what do you guys think about this watch? Any recommendations for a first buy?
I'd like a heirloom piece I could give to my son when I'm older.
>>52404328
And I, in retrospect, have become an expert in said faggotry after observing your tripfagging and normative, bland and shitty watch-thread-posting for months now =)
you should open your mind a more often, you know, like you do with your asshole on the weekends with Archieluxury
>>52404387
budget?
>>52404350
Huh? I thought we post our waches here? And appreciate them so jist posted them
>>52404387
Considering you're a newbie, and are looking for an heirloom piece -- I assume the reason you're looking at Tissot and not something like Rolex is price, right?
>>52404431
ignore them anon they're just a bunch of faggots nice watches
>>52404350
Huh? I thought we post our waches here? And appreciate them so jist posted them>>52404374
You really are a fucking retard arent you boy?
>>52404374
Is that Archieluxury?
Fucking hate that guy and youtube offers his videos after every fucking watch video I watch.
>>52404464
Thanks dude
>>52404485
>>52404492
What's dogshit about what i posted please enlighten me
>>52396214
Is this watch any good or is it just a meme?
>>52404431
fug guess i'm taking the bait
We post decent watches, with the occasional pile of dogshit turning around the corner, like those two you posted.
Big steaming oversized and overpriced heaps of dogshit all across your wrists.
And with also pointless namefagging.
>>52404525
Ah, i was searching the pic with his shilling antennas.
>>52404547
The latter.
My SARB017 is beginning to lose time. It's running a consistent - 10 seconds per day, can't figure out if it's been magnetized or not. It was doing about +3 for a very long time, problem only seems to have cropped up after I threw it on the winder.
Does anyone have the link to the DIY degausser?
>>52404547
Mainly a meme.
Not exactly high quality but if you can get it dirt cheap, why not.
this shit belongs in >>>/fa/
>>52404552
Lol dont be so jealous man hahahahahahahaha
>>52404387
Rolex, or a vintage watch made of full gold, thats an heirloom piece. Don't focus on getting one right now, thats for alter in life. Now you can get a nice watch of the current decade. might be timeless, might be worth something in the future, or worthless. But it doesn't matter, its just what use you can get from it RIGHT NOW, you only live once anon.
But in keeping to that type of watch Seiko Sarb033 is in your case a must have since very tissot is forgettable or vintage rip off.
>>52404571
>>52404584
It supposedly has a swiss movement, I thought it'd be quite good.
What would you recommend at a comparable price, roughly £200 ($300 dollarydoos).
>>52404578
You can get demagnetizer on ebay under 10€.
>>52404431
>>52404294
>fossil era zodiac
Sorry anon but those are a travesty to a once decent brand.
>>52404539
Everything but the brands heritage, which they've done their best to soil.
I'd like a Zodiac Sea wolf for example.
>>52404618
"Swiss movement" on it's own doesn't mean anything useful. It's the equivalent putting "studio" on a pair of headphones.
>>52404426
>>52404434
About 500-650€ I'm still a student (IT/ business) I'd just like something wich transmit some kind of wealth/class for job clientele in a year and to give a decent imprecion. Once I have more money from my job I could always go more expensive and dump this watch on my son as I sed.
Of I'm looking for saphire glass, automatic preferred Swiss made watches, stainless steel case etc etc
>>52404618
S A R B
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>>52404431
>>52404474
Yes, thank you for the contribution of an example of a hideous watch coupled with the lame bracelet for maximum 'look at me' points. That being said Zodiac has made some interesting watches, especially vintage ones. Worth looking into for those who haven't, including gp-movement based high beat calibers.
https://youtu.be/HCs42sexK3E
>>52404547
Rotary, as a company, has a respectable guarantee on their watches that shows some element of integrity and appreciation for their customers. But they're still cheap watches they buy from Chinese manufacturers.
>>52404597
What belongs in /g/ then faggot? Enlighten EVERYONE if every thread belongs in a different board..
>>52404664
Looks nice, but it seems they're Japanese imports only. Can you get them in the EU?
You know what you can all go fuck your selfs my watches are fucking gorgeous you motherfuckers so shut the fuck up jealous cunts they aint hideous you are hideous with yoyr vintage ild shit wtches you oh gotta love those vintage watches pure beauty fuckkkkk yooooo
>>52404578
The cheap 10$ on eBay are pretty handy.
>>52404600
>220euroshekels
>on a watch made in a chink sweatshop
>10$ on materials, 0 on labor
>hurr durr you're jealous
fuck me i fell for the cheap bait.
>>52404634
>>52404645
Shame Zodiac went to shit, i really liked their old designs.
>>52404660
mm
Assuming you don't neccerily want a Swiss made, Seiko SDGM series (SDGM003) for example are within the price range. Swiss-wise, i think some Hamilton chronographs could fit the pricerange or some of their more simple models.
And as a surprise, look up Strela chrono.
>>52404660
>preferred Swiss made watches
Well that cuts out 90% of "swiss" brands out there.
At your budget, best you can hope for is something pretending to be swiss, or is swiss only by virtue of extremely lax labeling laws. Be prepared for a vast % of your watch to be made in china, germany, or china then germany, but have "swiss" on the dial.
If this charade is okay with you then go buy whatever.
You don't get real swiss made at that price.
>>52404723
SeiyaJapan has them and ships worldwide. I figure amazon probably does also.
>>52404668
Wtf are you a fucking retard thats a fucking zodiac >>52404169
>>52404668
>>52404826
You get lost on your way to rebbit or something?
>>52404868 go kill your self idiot with your smartass posts my watches are just fine and its a fucking zodiac as well i dont want or like vintage watches cause they are vintage old dont care if they are better as a vintage i like them and you dont matter shit really
>>52404970
>>52405001
>>52404826
Well, the name is there. That's about it.
Comparison is simple really, it's like the difference between a 50$ "iPhone 6" off aliexpress compared to a real iPhone 6.
Minus the fact that that it's a registered trademark name.
>>52404970
awww somebody appears to have been triggered.
Go back to your hugbox.
>>52405020
>>52404751
>>52404626
Eh, I was hoping to do the degausser for free, but I can do $10 plus shipping.
>mfw this basically translates into $1 Trillion Canadian
>mfw our currency is trash and buying anything online is now a chore
>mfw can no longer indiscriminately buy watches
>>52405090
Jesus H. Corbit do you not stop shitposting even from another device/i.p.? Are you so ashamed of your time spent on here, selling your shitty stories to ordinary people that you have to post literally 5 minutes later, anonimously? Just stop it Nineball. We simply know its you.
>>52404970
Dont worry dude, some assholes are wider and smellier than others. And then there is Ninefag, the alpha shitlord of /wt/, master of whorology and taste, up there with gods like Zeus and Archieluxury
>>52405194
Don't be stupid, that's not me.
>>52405189
Love Lain.
>>52404826
>Wtf are you a fucking retard thats a fucking zodiac
no,
it's a fucking fossil
>>52404764
I can get a swiss hooker for less and get more out of her than youll ever get from your watch. And then buy a solid swiss watch with whats left of my money
>>52405194
Surprisingly, there's about 2 more shitposters here+tripfag that are doing a splendid job.
So basically, you're not wanted here.
>>52405273
lol i sincerely doubt that
lmao faggot
>>52405309
>>52405310
Yeah well ban me senpai, I aint going anywhere
>>52405090
>>52405090
What in the fuck are you talking about that watch cost me 367€ and the timberland 220€ they work perfectly precisely waterproof and non scratchable crystal seems fine to me but anyways bye bye
cuck cuck senpai desu
>>52405400
>>52405194
>>52405229
Nineball is an entity that was created with the birth of the internet. The tripfag we know exists only as a physical vessel for the executable program to function in the real world. While he himself may believe that he's not responsible for the post, another manifestation of him may very well be.
>>52405223
Whatever im done here anyways everyone is an expert vintGe lover everything else is shit guy
>>52405494
Good riddence
>>52405264
Hahahahaha are yoy fucking crazy blind retarded which one or all of them together yoy can see in the fucking picture zodiac at rhe fucking top killllllll yourrrrrr selff>>52404169
>>52405264
>>52405511
Stupid idiot go fucking play with your old vintage shit fucking retarted shit
>>52405400
>>52405540
How are they overpriced piles of shit enlighten me oh guru and almighty all-knowing watch genius please do cause i can tell you sre such a fucking amazing authentic artistic watxh lover arent you huh?
I just got a new bezel insert for my SKX009 as I've been lusting after a Tudor Heritage Black Bay with a red bezel lately but they are slightly out of my price range.
I want to blow a grand (euros) on a swiss watch. Seiko fags may not apply. Post pictures, first one who gets me to salivate wins a vidya on steam
>when your WIS friend comes over
http://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/mens-1970-large-omega-geneve-automatic-herbal-dial--id3431335.htm
blaze it yo
>>52405494
>>52405526
enjoy your rebadge fossil watch :^)
also you type like a shitskin you should probably leave
>>52405637
You got matching cases?
Dank.
The seiko 5 almost looks like it has a black bezel.
Time to bulk order chink NATOs.
>>52405663
>Condition: 1 (mint)
I don't think that's a mint leaf
>>52405637
>wow it's fucking nothing
>>52405663
That's a redial I imagine?
>>52405694
You are retarded a fucking a class retard bravo
>>52405596
Alright, let's give it another go.
Common to both watches:
>Cheapest quartz movements available used
>Made as cheaply as possible via the cheapest labor at chink sweatshops
>Because of said cutbacks quality is overall shit
>Appear to have been designs via smearing dogshit on a standard chronograph face and calling it a day
>terrible cutoff numerals
>Price marked up several times up in comparison to real value
Zodiac
>Bought by Fossil and run down into the ground.
>The Swiss made label is so sketchy that more then 70% of that watch is chink made
>Looks like cheap shit
Timberland
>Looks like time expedition
>Costs 5 times as much.
>Manages to look uglier
BIG PIMPIN'
>>52404751
>The cheap 10$ on eBay are pretty handy
Is this the one you were thinking of? Whenever I see something made of plastic with Chinese writing on it, I generally tend to be pretty wary:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Watch-Repair-Screwdriver-Tweezers-Electrical-Demagnetise-Demagnetizer-Tools-IT-/161853729220?hash=item25af3be9c4:g:e-0AAOSwo0JWGKgG
Unfortunately all the other ones are 220V.
>>52405790
His holiness is in our midst.
>>52405777
>Zodiac
>>Bought by Fossil and run down into the ground.
>>The Swiss made label is so sketchy that more then 70% of that watch is chink made
>>Looks like cheap shit
this
fuck fossil
fuck their fake zodiac
and fuck that faggot serial killer that ruined the brand in the first place
this new zombie zodiac fake shit should just be allowed to die
R8?
>>52405790
>>52405856
My condolences
>>52405777
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahabaah you Re either very jealous or incredibly stupid i thought i said they are both stainless can not get scared waterproof very precise time day time seconds where the fuck is the problem i ask
Answer:nowhere you are just an idiot posting stupid shit here
This is getting nowhere and its pointless both really good watches beautiful as well stop being an idiot is what i say
>>52405898
That's it you have to be trolling.
>>52405868
no fucking way!!! is that real? do I have the same watch as the fucking pope on!>?
>>52405924
it is indeed real.
>>52405898
It's seems that Pahjeet's diarrhea is spilling on the floor. Better run out and take a shit in a government designated street.
I'd be proud owning a Vostok, not these piles of shit.
>>52405924
yes sir except his has the actuall numbers on the dial
>>52405887
Why that?
>220euroshekels
>on a watch made in a chink sweatshop
>10$ on materials, 0 on labor
desu manufacturing a rolex costs $220 and it then costs $22k. That's 100x profit for the rolex compared to 22 for the "dogshit". Basically your argument is complete shit. Yet it's spouted here every time someone posts a quartz. You're all paying for the brand. The one's buying "dogshit" just get better value for their money compared to at least most rolexes and some other luxury brands.
>>52405982
Unless it's distorted by the wide angle lens and that's a cute feminine watch, it's pretty bad in most ways. Kind of like a Q&Q version of a Catier Roadster / Santos XL.
This is a cute feminine watch.
I am so tired of chronographs with a subdial arrangement like this.
>>52406079
FINALLY someone said that out loud, thank you wise sir
>>52406079
>manufacturing a rolex costs $220
does that include years of r&d and swiss wages?
>>52406079
Do you have proof for your claims?
>>52406079
>manufacturing a rolex costs $220 and it then costs $22k.
I know you're exaggerating, but if you're going to claim that rolex makes a larger % profit than a company selling $10 watches for over $200, you're going to have to provide proof.
That's of course not to say rolexes aren't overpriced. The claim that they make a larger % profit is dubious though.
>>52406097
>>52406143
No, but about 500 Rolexes an average worker puts together through a year does.
My Stuhrling Original Men's 555A.04 Classic Ascot II
>>52406079
>manufacturing a rolex costs $220
yep, you're going places with this
>>52406079
>The one's buying "dogshit" just get better value for their money
Except dogshit has no value.
Buying a dogshit watch is a waste of your precious pennies that you should be using for groceries or whatever it is that sustains your peasant life.
If you're not going to buy something decent, then stick with your smartphone as they have made every quartz watch except the gshock variants completely and utterly pointless.
Plain quartz has no future.
Dogshit is not 'best value' because it has no value.
>>52406097
At least they're the same size/design, they're symmetric and none of them are eaten or half.
>>52406079
I won't exactly argue with that, Manufacturing a Rolex costs anywhere from 850 to 1500$ in labor,materials and also the COSC certifaction (ye ye). Dealerships are a different mountain kikery.
And assuming you ignore the "muh heritage,muh branding", you get a watch that doesn't look like completely shit, is 100% made in Switzerland, and is bought to for the "is that a Rolex?" factor. It retains value and can be resold if needed.
Now let's take two other comparisons, a Seiko diver and those two dogshit chronographs.
The Seiko is well priced for what it offers, is solidly built and is a functional watch. It will retain it's own value as long as it's kept in proper order and will increase as time passes by.
The dogshit chrongraphs are priced for much more then they are worth, have almost no resale value, and look ugly as shit.
>>52406258
I don't think rolexes claim to be 100% swiss, but they are certainly more swiss than anything swatch.
And they tightly control dealer pricing
>>52406258
>>52406079
all this talk of "value"
it's a meaningless proposition.
no such thing as objective value in this case
it's not some inherent quality
rolex are valuable compared to a simple casio because more people impute value on the former more than the latter
rolex is more valuable than say, grand seiko
is grand seiko a better made/finished/adjusted/more accurate timepiece?
probably
but they're not valuable
steel sports mens rolex models are valuable
other stuff?
case buy case basis
>>52406392
>I don't think rolexes claim to be 100% swiss, but they are certainly more swiss than anything swatch.
At last count they are pretty much as in-house as top end seiko at the moment.
I say pretty much because I'm unsure where they get their olis, jewles and lume compound (I think they get a special batch of lume made, dunno how it differs from standard superluminova though).
They (relatively recently) started producing their own shock protection system, and just before that their own mainsprings.
Every other swiss brand ("swiss" or otherwise) buy their springs from one company, and they all buy their shock systems from another, and jewels from another and their sapphire crystals from another specialist.
Seiko make all this shit themselves because they own all those fabricators.
I think at this point rolex may be the only swiss maker to do it all themselves or are as close to it as one swiss maker that isn't a mass conglomerate like Swatch can hope to achieve, whilst having it all made in Switzerland.
Even patek get some cases (steel nautilus cases) made for them by a third party.
Note that this does not include Tudor, which of course use ETA movements and the whole watches are purported to be completely fabricated by a third party and only sent to rolex for the final finishes and QC.
>>52406563
>(I think they get a special batch of lume made, dunno how it differs from standard superluminova though).
By this I don't mean they make it themselves, but rather they order a custom batch from RC tritec or whomever it is that makes luminova in switzerland (another seiko company and product).
>>52406563
I would still buy a tudor if I found one I liked.
Most of them have those dumb looking hands though
>>52406563
>yfw Rolex is the only decent mid level Swiss brand
I'm not touching Swatch Group shit.
>>52406678
How about this one?
Al's Diner hasn't changed a bit since the 1970s. It still has the same black and white squares of tile. The booths still have the same red faux-leather covering. The same lamps still hang over every booth. And the menu hasn't changed either: waffles and bacon and eggs for breakfast, burgers and fries and shakes for dinner
Annie and Jack have changed too. Jack's glasses appeared sometime in the early 90's and have only gotten thicker and thicker since. The once-tall 6-foot-1 man is now hunched and hobbled, requiring a cane to get aroundHer once creamy skin is now sunspotted and wrinkled, and her hands shake whenever she lifts her spoon into the bowl.
Annie and Jack entered the diner and took their usual seats at the usual booth at the usual time. Al had their meals all ready to go, and shuffled over with Annie's bowl first; there were fresh strawberries for her today. The waitress no longer came in for the mornings: not enough business. But Al could handle the cooking and the serving; it would just take a little longer. He placed the bowl in front of her, and she responded with a soft, frail, "Thank you, Al." He returned to the counter for Jack's eggs, and on his way back, he noticed something peculiar: they were holding hands. After the usual amount of time, the old couple left their booth and waved goodbye to Al as he was chopping tomatoes. Right on schedule.
As he cleared the booth, he noticed something else unusual: Annie hadn't eaten her oatmeal. Or even the strawberries.
The bell hanging over the door tinkled at 8 AM, right on schedule. Al shuffled out of the backroom, remembering to check with Annie about her breakfast. But today was also different: Jack was alone.
There were tears in his eyes as he told Al he'd still like to order a bowl of oatmeal and a glass of apple juice for her.
>>52406728
Arrowheads are gross.
Actually that whole dial is pretty gross.
>>52406703
Afraid so.
Every swatch group brand, with the possible and likely exceptions of Bregeut and GO (although since it's fucking swatch, nothing's truly a sure thing), are suspect.
Chinese or Thai made parts, at "swiss made" prices.
Say what you will about rolex, but after a long hard look they appear to be one of the few brands that are what they say they are: made in switzerland.
If you want Swiss, it's Rolex and up (up being JLC, AP, PP, VC).
If you want some miss mash of stuff that has parts made in some eta factory in china or thailand, but sold to you as if it were made in europe at swiss wages, then it's Omega and down.
This is why I like Seiko, and particularly GS.
They are what they say they are and that's fucking made in Japan.
Damasko have a few models that are truly german made.
And that's great. Puts them above Sinn and everything below that claims to be "German made".
"German Made with a Swiss heart"
kek
What fucking bullshit.
>>52406999
Trips say the truth, don't forget Nomos.
>>52406728
such a pointless power reserve
and yet the dial would be too blank without it
overall gross
>>52407025
what's wrong with Nomos
>>52407073
>>52406999
>Damasko have a few models that are truly german made.
That's why >>52407025 said "don't forget Nomos."
>>52407025
Never forget Nomos.
It's hilariously ironic that they (compared to most "german" makes) have a german made movement but swiss made cases.
Total reverse of the usual deal where the swiss get their steel cases machined in germany and ther germans use swiss movements.
Most steel parts will be made in germany, the cheaper "swiss brands" will use the two step process of using a cheaper german casemaker that gets the cases mostly made in china, has them sent to germany for more finishing, and then sent to their swiss client in switzerland for assembly (boxes made in china or SE asia).
>swiss made
Even cheaper companies will skip germany entirely and go the full chinese route sans swiss assembly.
It's very easy to have something labelled as "swiss made".
It all comes down to trust these days.
I do no trust the Swatch group.
I do not trust LVMH (motherfuckers ruin everything they get their smiley fucking hands on, watches or anything else they buy).
I do not trust Richemont.
Now the list grows thin.
Movado Group?
kek
Oris?
Okay now they've started making their own movements after an age. I respect the attempt, but am unsure about their production.
Freddy Con?
Maurice?
Don't really care. Though I respect FredCon more than ML for the reason that the name "Maurice Lacroix" was just a baseless fabrication designed to sound refined and "swiss like". Like Patek Phillipe, or any other real brand whose name has some meaning.
Still, at least these guys are independent.4
Eterna?
Just bought buy some chink group, use swatch parts.
Nope.
List really grows thin, and the more I look the more I come to the conclusion that if I want a Swiss watch, it's Rolex and above.
Just can't trust anything else.
>his watch only has 12 hours
Shall I buy a vostok amphibia?
I don't know if it is worth the money and if I will be content with it. Anyone got some pictures of the side (glass dome) and while wearing it?
>>52407250
I rove my 24hr aviator.
Served me well over the past 7 years or so but now requires a servicing and I'm kinda lost about that. I don't trust any local watchmakers to fix this russian.
24hrs was great for me when I was a student since I was up at all fucking hours, and the function really gives you the proper visual indication of how much time you have left in the day.
I wish more companies would come out with 24hour variants.
The fortis auto model that my aviator was likely based is the only one that I can think of that looks nice.
Glycine specialises in it, but they look like messy shit unfortunately.
I urge all you fucks to get a hold of a 24hr watch and wear it for a month and see how you like it
[spoiler]you will[/spoiler]
>>52407277
Nigga, probably everyone here owns an Amphibia. They're worth every kopek.
>>52396214
I need some purchase advice guys..
I want to buy a watch to wear with a suite and such.
Location: EU
Budget: <200€
Size: Not too big, i'd say 39-43mm
Material: Leather/metal
Any ideas?
>>52407360
>Glycine specialises in it, but they look like messy shit unfortunately.
Bleh.
I like my aviator (and that fortis) because they can be read in a glance with such ease, day or night.
The glycine airman has too much going on.
To be fair they can track a second timeone in 24hr time, but at the expense of quick legibility.
My trusty Seiko 5 7009A bit the dust today... after 14 years now I'm converting the movement into a keychain R.I.P
>>52407445
Any other preferences?
I'd say get a dressy, least expensive citizen eco drive you can find. Wear it and forget about it until they day when you may consider spending more on something else.
>>52399554
>>52399607
This watch looks amazing, where can i get one?
>>52407360
If you're in Europe, contact Julian of poljot24.de - sent off a few watches for services and repair and they have been great.
>>52408237
I don't know if the project is still ongoing, but try contacting hked on the watchuseek forums as that's where I got mine. Alternatively they are found here from another production run:
http://www.longislandwatch.com/Seagull_1963_Chronograph_p/6345a-2901.htm
Updated Orient Mako, is it goat dive watch?
>sapphire
>200m
>inhouse movement, hacking seconds
>decent lume
>classical, great all around styling
>decent bracelet
>200 polish dollars
Literally, what is better specs wise even?
>>52408496
When they put in a new ray dial or make a mako usa with the new movement, I'll get one. I don't know why but I can't stand Arabic numerals on any watch except a field style watch
>>52407701
>citizen eco drive
That was my thought, too. My every day watch is a citizen eco drive. Fucking years old, lived through Dresden 1945, runs still it's first battery and probably will outlast me.
What do you think about an Orient or a Bossart? I mean, cheaper is better, but i am willing to pay for a higher quality watch.
>>52408549
That and I don't much like day/date complications, I prefer date only or no date
>>52408496
>200m
sort of.
>>52408571
Honestly, they should make one with no date or day, that version would be even better (but less useful for the average joes)
>>52408574
Are orients not up to their ratings or are you saying 200m isn't sufficient for a diver.
They always struck me as desk divers, the mako series anyway.
>>52396214
what do most people do?
>save up the thousand dollars and get the
watch they desire?
or
>slowly upgrade to the watch they desire?
my goal is to get a seamaster 300 if possible a vintage, but I really fond of the new bezel
>>52408601
I'm saying outside of M-Force Orient doesn't actually make things that are 200m divers that go thru actual 200m divers testing like ISO. The 200m on mako is just a static pressure test rating.
Don't get me wrong, fully sufficient for the normal needs of everyday water resistance.
>>52408612
Just buy a Rolex
>>52408612
I feel like you might have a hard time trying to sell and trade up mid tier watches without adding obscene amounts.
You might as well wait until you can at least afford a used SPEEDMASTER PROFESSIONAL MAN ON THE FUCKIN MOON, BEST BANG PER BUCK LUXURY WATCH, and start trading and selling from there.
Archie might be full of shit about most things, but he isn't entirely wrong about the moonwatch, you can find a decent example for a fairly accessible price, and possibly even get a profit for it after you enjoy it for a bit.
>>52408496
It's too expensive.
>>52408705
maybe I didn't search hard enough, but may you kindly show me a rolex watch that has similar bezel?
>>52408727
Are you looking for a coin-edge bezel?
>>52408612
>slowly upgrade
I wouldn't count on being able to trade or sell your watches for as much or more than you bought for them, making upgrading expensive.
There are vintage pieces of great interest for a few hundred that are worth wearing if you can't afford the thousands of dollars watch you want
>>52408496
The new mako pictured is mineral glass, not sapphire.
>>52408496
>200 polish dollars
In Poland or imported? I'm guessing the latter.
>>52408762
ahh yes thats what I'm looking for and thin hands too~
>>52408786
what would you suggest?
>>52408719
I'll try to watch some of his videos now
>>52408842
btw, the closest watch that I also like is this, but the watch face seems to be a bit too bling to me
>>52408842
I would suggest a replica Tudor Black Bay for under $300. Fuckwhat /g/ says, nobody outside the watch world knows these brands and won't know it's a rep. Save your money for a proper Rolex and always buy used.
>>52408910
why wouldn't you just get a fake omega semenmaster in which case?
>>52408842
>what would you suggest?
I would suggest you go for something that appeals to you. Favre Leuba, Universal Geneve, Zodiac, Seiko all have some interesting vintage pieces you can start exploring.
>>52408878
This one is really nice, got a great, original design and is really reasonably priced
>>52408960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqN4uiyANyk
also the tropik is worth considering.
>>52408490
Thanks! That Seagull's back looks stunning.
>>52408842
>>52408910
>>52408910
this >>52408933 in which I saw a website selling it for a very low price, but I just pass it
http://www.bazaar-watch.com if you are interest to see
the thing is I'm not too interest in getting a rolex...
>>52408949
thanks m8
>>52408960
just checked out their website recently. Look very promising. Yet to check it out in great details
>>52409018
?
>>52408601
They're only water resistant to 200m, they're not full ISO certified 200m divers which is a rating that comes with a lot of additional requirements for durability and legibility. It's not really probably not a big deal but it is worth noting. Notice how the Mako only says "Water Resist 200m" while the SKX007 for example says "Diver's 200m".
This thread pops up so commonly they ought to add it to the homepage
>>52408933
>why wouldn't you just get a fake omega semenmaster in which case?
The Tudor is a perfect 1:1 rep using the same movement as the original. It's no secret that the Swiss have their parts made in China.
>>52409040
Go on replica watch forum to see their recommended sellers and online stores. Their forum also has bargains on used reps.
>>52409225
the eta 2824's you get in fake watches are horrible, made with spare parts and replica parts etc. - never mind that the tudor will be modified and chronometer specced. You're actually better off getting an asian movement.
There are no perfect fakes. My point was that the black bay isn't as appropriate to someone looking for a seamaster as a seamaster even if it's more accurate.
>>52409265
It varies. There's a Chinese ETA 'clone' made of parts made for ETA
>>52409040
Only buy from trusted sellers https://www.replica-watch.info/
>>52409258
>>52409429
thanks for the info. not sure how I feel buying a replica though... :^)
Is their anything 100-150 that has sapphire glass? Just out of curiosity, I know when you get to 200 there is some shit but I wanna know if there are any watches that get it at that price point.
http://museum.seiko.co.jp/virtual/en/
Casio Popewatch finally died
The movement is kind of pretty in its own way.
>>52409536
doesn't look nearly as good as the patek phillipe one (fortunately 95% of the watches in the PP museum are not pateks)
>>52405637
>when you spend more on the cases than you do your entire collection
>>52408826
Yes, true that. I just read the wus forum quickly, what a bummer. But still, would easily pick this over any seiko diver due to it being better looking and never will go below 5m depth anyway...
>>52409445
You may be able to get an Orient around that, I did.
Keep in mind sapphire comes in many qualities, the 10k watch is going to have a significantly better sapphire crystal than a 300 dollar one (producing them without or reduced microfissures and more regularity costs $$)
So while sapphire is great, honestly I don't consider cheap cheap sapphire to be much better than something like hardlex
>>52409122
Its mostly about bracelet strength, lume on seconds hand and a percentage of water resistance over 200m and following iso numbering.
>>52409040
NONONONO DO NOT BUY FROM THAT SITE. Shit like perfectwatches.cn and that site are scams. Always scams. If you want a good site, go to intime.co, torobravo2015.com, or puretime.watch. For the rep world, go to replica-watch.info.Only go there for rep sites and reviews
>>52409904
took note, but I'm not really sure how I feel about buying replicas...
>>52409920
Reps are a hit and miss situation. You gotta do your research before you buy. Find the specific model name of your watch, and search that up on the forum. Then, just look at what everyone else buys, and get what the majority gets. Theres different makers for reps. Ie the submariner has JF watches, NOOB factory, etc. Noob will always make the best sub. Just do a shit ton of research before you buy. If youd like, i can find the best replica watch for your taste. Give me the name and a pic and ill give you a result.
>>52409957
Who makes the best sub?
