>It's unfortunate that Debian is named after Debra and Ian, because having the project named after a white supremacist, who used his ex-wifes name as an trophy. Being that the current year is almost 2016 and is 20 years after Debian started, we should look to the future and not the past. We shouldn't tolerate the project being named after a person who uses the N word, or marginalizes women who've been sexually assaulted. Instead I think we ought to rename the project "Euphemia", which means "good speech" and represents our code of conduct, as well as being the name of Euphemia Lofton Haynes the first African American woman who earned a math PHD.
RIP Ian, and fuck SJWs.
Fucking vultures
>>52153204
Debian is literally dead from an ideological; standpoint. SJW are doing to take over, and they're going to take over HARD.
>>52153239
Seeing this entire process really makes Ian's death suspicious. They could at least wait until he's buried before burying him.
>>52153204
Is anybody on the mailing list calling out this person's horribly disrespectful opportunistic swooping? Because they should.
I don't understand why people don't understand why he said "nigger" (in quotes even)
He was basically quoting the police/media, eho don't care if a black person gets murdered by police.
>>52153204
sauce
http://www.eenyhelp.com/renaming-debian-project-help-215910063.html
>>52153288
He's a straight white guy, so people will jump at the chance to take potshots at him even if it's grasping for straws.
>>52153289
Sauce is the mailing list mate, literally pasted it out of my mailbox.
>>52153287
Here's the thread on mailing list.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html
>>52153319
>sjws taking over
I'm reading this thread, and every person has basically called the OP a faggot.
Debian will live on, sjws will not take it.
>>52153319
Those replies. Tsk, tsk, Benjamin Barber.
>>52153319
Read the threads and was pleased to find the original emailer getting his metaphorical dick punched in. I'm glad that nobody is giving the slanderous little bitch any quarter.
Why do people do shit like this? I can't comprehend the mindset behind it. This isn't even your typical SJW stuff (which usually has some root in reality, however blow out of proportion it might be). This asshat sounds like he's either a troll or has a specific vendetta against Ian.
>>52153204
How do I join the mailing list and watch this shit collapse in real time?
>>52153319
Hello,
Your email is highly insensitive due to impeccable timing.
At the present moment Debian project mourns the passing of Ian
Murdock. https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
A lot of Debian Developers and the wider Debian community have great
respect for the amazing things that happened, thanks to Ian starting
the Debian project.
Furthermore, his family has made an explicit call for privacy during
this difficult time for them, and we shall respect that. The email you
have sent violates that.
In Russian culture, one says good things about those who have passed
away, and remains silent about everything else.
--
Regards,
Dimitri.
based
I don't understand this guy, was he a SJW or not? he sounds like he believed in the SJW bullshit but kinda got it the wrong way and was all like
>but I was meant to be superior, whaatt
like really, what the fuck.
>>52153204
>Being that the current year
This post was made by a /g/ user
>>52153463
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
devian-devel is the list you want.
>>52153502
thanks anon
>>52153490
He was trying to side with the folk protesting police misconduct but his words were harsh and it triggered the tumblrites and other assorted trash.
>>52153204
> Euphemia Lofton Haynes the first African American woman who earned a math PHD
And just what the fuck has this "Euphemia" person contributed to the development of Debian?
>>52153204
Was this really posted, and if so was it meant seriously, or is it just bait?
>>52153610
Yes and maybe bait, maybe serious. SJW's are a parody of themselves at this point, there's no way to know what's real and what's satire.
>>52153289
What the fuck even is that site
He replies
>You're right, the situation does seem a little strange, everything from the arrest to the suicide. I've read about how the police in the past have been uses as industry goons like in the Gizmodo iphone4 leak, and like for example the suspicious situation with Aaron Schwartz. Perhaps we need to start a #JusticeForIan protest at the SFPD headquarters, until there is an investigation into the arrest and death of Ian, if he indeed truly did nothing wrong as he claimed.
it begins
>>52153493
this desu senpai. It's virtually a carbon copy of /pol/'s stereotypical SJW rhetoric.
>>52153810
When I saw the whole
>current year
thing I kind of thought that a little myself but you honestly can never know. Some of these SJW retards actually do say stupid shit like that. That's progressiveness in a nutshell.
>>52153319
>name it after
>euphemia
>african american woman first with phd
>naming after someone totally unrelated
I am not sure if this is trolling or actually a serious sjw.I have some questions to ask that faggot
>Has disney renamed their company even after everyone who cared to read about its founder found out he was racist?
>Has Ford motors done the same?
>Every fucking person 50 years ago was a racist.Has anyone cared to rename America because of that?
Unless any one of the answer is yes for the above,no renaming Debian would be the most ungrateful thing FSF.If they were ever to do that,I will just give up and go install Widows 10.
>>52153319
Great false flag senpai.
>>52153204
>"Euphemia"
The SJeWs should know. After all, using "euphemisms" (i.e. not calling things what they really are) is what they are engaging in continuously. Calling surveillance "telemetry" is just one recent and widespread example.
>>52153204
Legalize Nigger. Honor Ian by destroying the magic word nigger. All that needs to be done is that white people need to start calling other white people nigga. Charlie sheen called denise richards nigger in a voicemail that was leaked to TMZ and everyone just thought it was funny. Take back the word. Let 2016 be the year that nigger stops being evil proprietary closed source language. Let 2016 be the year that Nigger becomes Free and Open source!!
FUCK SJWS
RIP IAN
RIP DEBIAN
>>52153488
based ruski
>>52154109
I thought the use of the name Euphemia was proof that it was a troll but i guess there really was a Euphemia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemia_Haynes
>>52153920
>>52154068
>>52153917
>>52153810
>>52153289
>>52153319
>>52153453
>>52154172
I think this person is legit. Kek the whole thing sounds like perfect bait. It wouldn't be hard to dox them though. This is what I could find on them btw.
A "Benjamin Barber" living in Oregon I think.
His website:
http://barberb.net/
Other documents that sorta relate to this
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013r1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/6244
http://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/09/26/gmail-brad-avakian-breaks-his-own-rules-on-video/gmail-brad-avakian-breaks-his-own-rules-on-video.pdf
>>52154187
>I reported Kitzhaber and his political allies to the government for ethics violations, as a result I have suffered the wrath of Social Justice Warriors, who went so far as to have my Github Deleted, as well as use cyber attacks on my server. This is because I oppose all discrimination and public corruption, and Github has a feminist code of conduct that condones "reverse discrimination", and unfortunately alot of the work that I had was on Github until recently.
>>52153204
>Euphemia
Death place. Kek, I like it.
>>52154208
kek
>>52153319
Well if that happens, /g/ will have to fork and take over Debian and its legacy. I hope you guys are ready.
In this moment, I am running Euphemia. Not because of any phony white supremacist's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my social justice
>>52154187
guys this is important fucking shit we need to do something about it
>>52154223
"Euphémisme" in french is the name we give when we choose a name to soften down the tone or "connotation" of the origin word.
So no wonder this name was chosen by SJW.
>>52154260
I'm from a country where this mentality is almost non-existent. Every time I see this shit I just don't know how to feel. This is some truly degenerate shit.
Can't we all just ignore this?
>>52154337
>weeaboo
opinion ignored
>>52154337
It is is almost non-existent everywhere. The mail was probalby written by OP himself.
>>52153204
this is linux future after linus dies
>>52153319
benjamin got his ass beaten. doesn't look like sjw will take over debian anytime soon if you see the responses.
>>52153204
Link?
>>52153204
it's most likely a troll and even if it isn't, all the replies on the mailing list have been negative (towards the rename) so far.
>>52154584
Thanks.
Also, OP mad e me worry for nothing.
It was just a post by a no-name in a mailing list that have been received very negatively by the whole community.
Nothing to see here.
>>52153319
Thats such a blatant troll...
>current year maymay
>coc maymay
>africa maymay
I think I just contracted cancer
>>52153204
>From: benjamin barber <[email protected]>
>email written from something like a web client
Reverse trolling.
It was probably OP.
I'm an actual Social Justice Wizard Freetard Stallmanite and literally a supporter of Radical Feminism of the Dworkin & MacKinnon heritage, and I can tell that email is some cringe-worthy trolling OR a young and/or foolish person absolutely misinterpreting everything they read.
Ian Murdock was acknowledging his white male privilege when he said "maybe the fact that I'm a white male will mean that my voice will be heard".
(Pic related is radical feminist writing for you plebs. Observe how utterly based it is.)
Wait, did he actually kill himself?
>>52153204
>"Euphemia"
Christ.
>google [email protected]
>find inane mails by someone talking about how the gender wage gap is a myth
>a reddit account with GaymerGate and other anti-feminist stuff
If you're going to be post as an SJW sock-puppet, create a dedicated account, for fuck's sake.
0/10 troll
>>52153204
>it's almost 2016 and we're still calling it Debian
I MEAN COME ON!!!
>>52154858
Yes.
https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
>>52155398
That faggot really needs to fix his teeth.
>>52155433
Only americans are so fucking vain about how they look. The rest of the world don't really give a fuck
>>52154927
Euphoria
>>52153258
I've been saying since he started behaving erratically that something wasn't right. I've been textually sparring with Ian for twenty years on irc because I think he's a total fucking tit, but even at his worst when I had been trolling him for hours, he never acted out
I'm not going all /x/ or /pol/ tinfoil hat, but either he was on some serious fucking drugs, or it was someone else posting on his account to make him look unstable and suicidal, slandering cops and throwing racial slurs pretty much insuring that the cops will rule it a suicide and not look too closely at it.
>>52155614
We can't trust you, you help evil.
>>52155614
Did you consider that physical and sexual violence can make someone become erratic?
Like, do you think your Internet trolling was actually comparable to physical violence?
>throwing racial slurs
He used that for shock-value while pointing out the racism of the police force.
>>52155648
He was pointing out the racism of the general public, maybe now that it happened to a white guy and not just some nigger people will care.
Ironic because when a white kid is killed by the police you never hear about it.
>>52155679
>when a white kid is killed by the police you never hear about it
[citation needed] for one, effect of people screaming around to point out problems for second.
Didn't cops recently kill some black 12 year-old with a toy gun? I mean seriously what the fucking fuck. Then there was that woman where the officer went on a fucking power trip. And then there was that woman who was more or less assaulted by the police forces because they thought she was breaking into ... her own house.
All of this in the past few months. Doubt it happens as often to white people. Doubt it tends to escalate that quickly.
>>52153319
>Debian will live on, sjws will not take it.
The person is an anti-SJW who's trying to sockpuppet.
See >>52155192.
>>52155756
Best I can bother finding right now.
>>52154337
You're a 4channer. Everything you see about SJW is false-flagging, out-of-context ripping, intentional misinterpretations, and so on.
If you want to read "SJW" stuff then read, I don't know, something like 'Pornography and Civil Rights' (>>52154774) or any number of books by Andrea Dworkin and/or Catharine MacKinnon, watch speeches by MacKinnon and Gail Dines that you can find on YouTube, read feministcurrent.com, and so on.
OK, that's just second-wave/radical feminism that I'm mentioning. I'm much less well versed on third-wave/liberal feminism. I just know there's Feministing, and that's more or less about it...
Radfem 4 lyfe anyway though. Saying this as a white cis het young male.
>>52155895
That doesn't tell us anything about the likelihood of a killing with respect to the severity of the situation, and stuff like that.
>>52155756
>>52155895
Oh also you should keep in mind even though you would expect more white because there are more white people, most of the people cops kill are lower income young men. The numbers start to even out.
>>52154119
Ian was an SJW.
Your face when.
>>52155928
http://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/7653755-Cops-hesitate-more-err-less-when-shooting-black-suspects-study-finds/
Don't know if I trust the study, but here.
>>52155411
If the cops drive you to kill yourself is it still called suicide?
Or we could just state the truth that he was murdered by police.
>>52156071
If you drove someone to suicide it would be illegal.
However, the police are above the law.
>>52155987
>http://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/7653755-Cops-hesitate-more-err-less-when-shooting-black-suspects-study-finds/
>decision-making simulations
I.e. the officers knew they were being judged.
I don't trust the study.
>>52153204
>It's unfortunate that Debian is named after Debra and Ian, because having the project named after a white supremacist, who used his ex-wifes name as an trophy.
It's an 8ch troller.
Google the email
Us SJW are not the enemy. Equality is a goal of nobility.
>>52156101
If cops were held accountable for their actions they would be judged in the real world, this trend might translate. But the police union is far to powerful for that.
>>52156101
>I don't trust the study.
Rule one of science reporting:
Always read the original research.
Which is linked in the policeone article but the problem is 4chan blocks the springer link to the research.
It was a video game.
>>52156085
I know they are, even here in Canada where our Charter of Rights and Freedoms in our Constitution states that the rule of law applies to everyone and we're all equal before and under the law, there's the unwritten fine print exempting the police and Crown from being held accountable for their wrongdoings.
>>52156114
Equality is good, SJW pursue racism and sexism in the name of equality - which is bad.
If you want to call yourself an SJW, be aware that most people will think you are an anti-white man-hater, not someone who wants equality.
>>52156203
We should strive for equality of opportunity. SJWs want equality of outcome.
>>52156203
>SJW pursue racism and sexism
>>52156255
>They say that rights will be lost if society changes. They mean that power will be lost, by them. This is true.
Absolutely fucking based.
>>52156255
>>52156225
Ok senpai I see what you are trying to say, but calling 80s feminists "SJW" is not correct, SJW is a relatively recent term - especially in the modern context.
We are talking about people who unironically say things like "kill all men", desu Dworkin and MacKinnon don't really compare.
>>52156331
Yeah, I don't have a problem with early feminism, for the most part anyway.
>>52156255
>>52156310
>The bill of rights protects "wrongful power"
I beg your fucking pardon?
What the fuck kind of socialist doublethink are you fucks on about?
What the fuck has happened to /g/
This is bad propaganda
sage and report
>>52156379
/g/ was always based on merit. You can't even tell someone's gender or race on an anonymous imageboard anyway.
>>52156402
But things being based on merit is what the SJW-type people want to take away.
That is what those kind of people are advocating - taking away your rights and basing everything on an ideologically similar committee.
Just look up how github has purged all notions of meritocracy.
>>52156331
If you read the old literature and check the discussions now you'll see that not much has changed.
>unironically say things like "kill all men"
lel, recalibrate your irony meters.
>>52156379
Read the whole book if you want more.
Free PDF here:
http://radfem.org/dworkin
the truly sad thing about this is that in today's political climate that e-mail could be entirely serious
>>52156255
Equality means that if a racist skinhead and a stupid nigger rob a 7-11 they'll get equal sentences if they did the same shit.
Cops are fucking assholes and need to be reigned in, however if they're scared shitless driving around the hood you can't blame them for being jumpy.
Otherwise, Inequality today is white people being awkward about race because we really don't give a shit about what color you are.
Liberal here, SJW's strike me as trying to force equality by making white people kiss ass, instead of helping minorities move into the middle class.
You make people kiss ass for shit they didn't do, congrats, you just Versailles'd yourself into breeding MORE racism you collosal moron.
The old Atticus Finch "walk a mile in their shoes" modicum of respect is the maximum you can expect from anyone.
Why don't we just fork Debian and let the original one rot away?
its quite clear that the euphemia maintainers are on the wrong side of history since they are so reluctant to make this change
>>52156755
The "you're expecting me to kiss ass" paranoia is precisely because whites and males are so fucking entitled you can't expect them to show a bit of fucking respect.
Congrats on being gullible enough to believe that narrative.
>The neo-tribalist, pseudo-leftist, anti-materialist form of ideology that
took shape during the famed '80s Culture Wars--"identity politics"--seems to
have had a slight resurgence in the past few years. So much for those who
take it up.
>"First as tragedy, then as farce."
Can someone explain this mail to me I'm dubm as fuck.
>>52157429
>males are more entitled than women
I hope someday you will be able to recognize and deal with your mental illness.
>>52157653
>males aren't more entitled than women
Only a man would say such a thing.
Are you a man or what?
Jokes aside, it's true. But since you're probably /r9k/, I won't bother trying to explain it to you, unless you prove worthy of my time.
>>52157616
TL;DR: buzzword buzzword buzzword look at how smart I am buzzword buzzword buzzword
Here's a better response:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2015/12/msg00061.html
>>52156402
>/g/ was always based on merit
wtf? Don't compare your workplace with an anonymous image board, where you can't even build merit because everyone is anonymous.
>>52156794
Go for it.
>OpenRC
>full disk encryption by default
>FSF approved repositories only
>installer provides choice between XFCE 4.12, Crunchbang-style openbox+tint2, and CLI-only
>default wallpaper is the picture of RMS from the /g/ sticky
>>52156434
>But things being based on merit is what the SJW-type people want to take away.
This.
http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/29/questioning-the-merit-of-meritocracy/
SJW code of conducts are designed to destroy merit based decision making, and some even explicitly sanction harassment against approved targets by spelling out what groups the abuse team will ignore complaints from. How anyone can defend this without significant cognitive dissonance, I have no idea.
>>52157429
No, its because all you need to do to gain my respect is 5 minutes of conversation and showing that you're at least competent.
That's it man.
>>52157799
>build merit
>>52157711
I'm really not interested in being baited by you so this will be my final response.
Ignoring the history of mankind for a brief moment to focus on who is in the modern day the most coddled, entitled gender I will make a few points:
1. Look at any online game, for someone who does not go outside this is the perfect example. Females who make it obvious they're females are ALWAYS gravitated by pathetic men given free things etc etc.
2. Extending example 1 into reality, we have women getting off incredibly easy for similar crimes. They're generally favored over men in situations like a divroce when assets and possibly children have to be split up.
3. Plain as day life experience that unless you're totally delusional you cannot simply ignore, due to being treated the way they are women act INCREDIBLY entitled and you see it everywhere in every facet of modern day life. How many homeless women do you see? etc
Women are always coddled and taken care of. You can say whatever you want but I'm not a biased person and I'm simply describing what I see with my own eyes and have no reason to be lying. Just look at what happens when a girl punches a guy etc. I'm not saying men are better, I hate 99% of men the same as I hate 99% of women just like I hate you for being a bothersome imbacile with diarrhea of the mouth.
>>52157429
Respect for what? For doing what?
>>52157910
A good example of how the "justice" system treats women differently:
Female teachers having sex with their students, happens a lot it seems. What gets a male on the sex offender list and a decade of jail time is almost socially acceptable if it's a woman, and generally results in just probation.
>>52155895
That graph looks like it only applies to the French to me.
>>52157851
Your barrier for respect is too low in my opinion.
>>52157842
>sanction harassment
>criticism = harassment
The brain of an entitled white male, everyone.
>>52157851
Since when is this about competency? It's about subconscious bias, subliminal hostility, and structural inequality.
>>52157910
>Females who make it obvious they're females are ALWAYS gravitated by pathetic men given free things etc etc.
And this relates to female entitlement how?
You're turning something done by men into the fault of women. Con fucking gratulations.
>women getting off incredibly easy for similar crimes
I would ask for a citation, but even if it's true, that again has nothing to do with entitlement. The judges decide the punishment. Most likely, the judges follow gender stereotypes and assume that a woman's crime is lesser because he assumes women are all weaker by nature.
>Plain as day life experience that unless you're totally delusional you cannot simply ignore, due to being treated the way they are women act INCREDIBLY entitled and you see it everywhere in every facet of modern day life.
Argument by assertion?
I think it's you who's deluded.
>How many homeless women do you see?
Again, what the fuck does this have to do with entitlement?
>Women are always coddled and taken care of.
Except when they're raped, battered, killed by their "partner", forced into prostitution, forced into pornography, sexually harassed, their performance rated lower only because they're women, their intelligence and interests ridiculed because of the femininity that is forced on them by the very culture they're raised in, and so on ad nauseam.
>I'm not a biased person
The number one indicator of a biased person is claiming not to be biased. Fucking everyone is biased, me included. It's psychology 101. The human brain doesn't work that way.
>what I see with my own eyes
Your very, very biased eyes.
>waaah I hate everyone equally
Grow the fuck up.
>>52157923
The respect that is inherent in basic human decency.
>>52158083
Police don't know what basic human decency is.
One question, didn't Ian opposed systemd from the start?
>>52154337
It is unavoidable at universities, large cities, and places with majority Black populations in the United States, and that is a lot of places.
Also, Hillary Clinton is running a campaign based on the fact that she has a moist reproductive canal between her legs and nothing else. That should tell you something.
>>52153204
Debian and Debian based distros cannot be trusted anymore. Move to a distro that doesn't use debian as upstream like Slackware.
>>52153204
why dont you just start your own distro with euphemia as a name
the debian name has a reputation on its own, being a popular linux distro
no
do not steal the thunder of the name
>>52158141
Hillary's canal is beyond dried up.
>>52158074
>criticism = harassment
Ah this guy.
>The Geek Feminism community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. The Geek Feminism Anti-Abuse Team will not act on complaints regarding:
>‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’ (because these things don’t exist)
It's okay to attack cis white heterosexual males, because they're privileged and deserve it.
Don't go posting any unapproved emojis you shitlord.
>>52158151
>>52158179
>people still unironically believe this shit
IT'S A FUCKING FALSE FLAG
And a really novice one at that: >>52155192
>>52158188
>>criticism = harassment
>Ah this guy.
Provide me a citation that SJWs support harassment then.
>prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort
Help! Help! They're making me UNCOMFORTABLE!
>‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
These things literally don't exist. Racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia exist due to power imbalance. Whites and males collectively hold power over blacks and women due to historical reasons, and heterosexuals and cissexuals through the simple fact that they're 90%+ of the population.
>It's okay to attack cis white heterosexual males
>attack
Again, you're conflating criticism with harassment.
Criticism is done with the intent of improving someone's behavior. This often *will* make them feel uncomfortable in the process.
Harassment is done with the intent of making someone feel "uncomfortable" to say the least.
Boy, do we have imbeciles around this year. 2015 has been a failure at keeping religions away from politics.
>>52158074
Decent troll or completely serious and beyond saving.
Either way, thread is dead, reddit wins, everyone go about your day.
>>52158252
Don't be an idiot, falling for obvious false-flags. >>52155192
Ian Murdock was an SJW.
>>52158074
>And this relates to female entitlement how?
I don't know if I was coddled my whole life, given free things and was the center of attention 24/7 I'd probably be pretty entitled. I never said it was womens fault but that doesn't make them not entitled.
>I would ask for a citation, but even if it's true
See now this makes sense and completely explains your insane views. To even have to question this when(this is the best example) sex abuse cases in the education system are so thoroughly paraded on all news venues and all you have to do is look at what punishments women are given and how men get in exponentially more trouble. This just goes to show how grossly uninformed you are.
>Except when they're [insert bad things happening to women]
Well gee men are coddled to besides when [insert bad things happen to men]
>The human brain doesn't work that way
>Your very, very biased eyes.
>Grow the fuck up.
Maybe 1+1 can equal something else other than 2 in your sub-human mind but I look at things objectively and base my decisions on how things are. I guess that is too much to expect from some entitled crybully such as yourself. Also your pointless cursing just makes you look childish and less credible.
>>52158268
>or completely serious and beyond saving
It's a scary thought right?
>>52158074
>The judges decide the punishment. Most likely, the judges follow gender stereotypes
>You're turning something done by men into the fault of women.
>when men treat women preferentially it's evidence that men are prejudiced
>when men treat women poorly it's evidence that women are at a disadvantage
>only women are ever the victim of crime, which clearly means that they are not coddled by society
>only women are ever put at a disadvantage because of gender stereotypes
All SJW reasoning breaks down to "only people like me have real problems, and all of my problems are other people's fault". Get over yourself, dumbass.
>>52158280
I'm not talking about OP, but about some people in this thread.
I would have thought that by now most people in here would either just keep politics where it belongs (>>/pol/) or at least be rational and not buying into ideologies and sects unironically.
You all got trolled by /tech/.
*/tech/res/479668.html#q481363
>>52158268
>shit, I don't have any arguments against this
>better call him stupid beyond saving
>that'll show him
>>52158283
>if I was coddled my whole life, given free things and was the center of attention 24/7 I'd probably be pretty entitled
Maybe try giving me examples of women actually being entitled, rather than deducing through some half-assed logic that they must be so.
>(this is the best example) sex abuse cases in the education system
It continues to baffle me that people equate sex between an adult woman and a teenage boy, and an adult man and a teenage girl. There's an incredible difference in power imbalance there. That is not to say an adult woman can't rape a teenage boy. In most cases however, it's very, very unlikely to have the same effects. Denying this is the ultimate irony of people trying to uphold their masculinity. Suddenly it's not so cool to be "scoring" with your teacher.
That's point one. Point two is stereotypes. The idea that a woman can't rape a boy comes from the very same gender stereotypes that infantilize women. It's something perpetuated by the whole culture, one could say predominantly men (who mostly define the sexual sphere).
And point three would be that it's pretty dumb calling the other side grossly misinformed for asking for a citation. Given the inane claims you're making, I would say that it's you who's grossly misinformed, but you won't see me base an "argument" around this.
>Well gee men are coddled to besides when [insert bad things happen to men]
The point is that women collectively live under the terror of sexualized violence. Men do not suffer from something comparable, except for instance in prisons.
>I look at things objectively
Have you ever heard of the concept of a "double-blind study"? Am I still on fucking /g/? How old are you?
>>52158366
>I would have thought that by now most people in here would either just keep politics where it belongs (>>/pol/) or at least be rational and not buying into ideologies and sects unironically.
But that's literally all people do now, why spend money on technical problems when you can use it to have someone replace offensive terms like master and slave instead.
>>52158333
Your post comes down to being forced to admit that most gender injustice in our society is rooted in cultural gender stereotypes that predominantly disadvantage women, and cause collateral damage to men, and then outright refuse to accept that premise on no other ground than, well, on no grounds at all from what I can tell.
>>52158083
That IS the Atticus Finch test, expecting any more is setting yourself up for disappointment
>>52158380
fucking vagos
>>52158404
>Have you ever heard of the concept of a "double-blind study"?
To all the ignorant fucks in this thread who unironically claim to be "unbiased" and "objective"...
A double-blind study is where you don't only have a control group of people who are unaware that they're the control group (and are given placebo medicine that they think is real), you *also* don't tell the doctors conducting the interviews with the patients which group is the real group and which the control (or ideally not even which patient belongs to which group).
This is because scientists do not trust their own objectivity. These studies are regarded the highest in science, and it's widely accepted that typical blind-studies are inferior due to biases that are impossible to control through willpower of researchers.
Relying on human objectivity is absolutely ludicrous in a scientific setting.
>>52158248
>Help! Help! They're making me UNCOMFORTABLE!
80% of feminism and modern social justice in one convenient line of shitpost!
>>52158535
And it would be a shitpost indeed, because that is exactly a ridiculous misrepresentation of "SJWs".
>David R. Hekman and colleagues found that men receive significantly higher customer satisfaction scores than equally well-performing women. Customers who viewed videos featuring a female and a male actor playing the role of an employee helping a customer were 19% more satisfied with the male employee's performance and also were more satisfied with the store's cleanliness and appearance although the actors performed identically, read the same script, and were in exactly the same location with identical camera angles and lighting. In a second study, they found that male doctors were rated as more approachable and competent than equally well performing female doctors. They interpret their findings to suggest that customer ratings tend to be inconsistent with objective indicators of performance and should not be uncritically used to determine pay and promotion opportunities. They contend that customer biases have potential adverse effects on female employees' careers.[73][74][75][76][77]
>Similarly, a study (2000) conducted by economic experts Claudia Goldin from Harvard University and Cecilia Rouse from Princeton University shows that when evaluators of applicants could see the applicant's gender they were more likely to select men. When the applicants gender could not be observed, the number of women hired significantly increased.[78][79]
>>52158248
So saying that Obama is a filthy watermellon loving nigger isn't racist?
He certainly has greater power than anyone in this thread, considering he could probably get away with comissioning the execution of everyone in the thread.
>Research on competence judgments has shown a pervasive tendency to devalue women's work and, in particular, prejudice against women in male-dominated roles which are presumably incongruent for women.[84] Organizational research that investigates biases in perceptions of equivalent male and female competence has confirmed that women who enter high-status, male-dominated work settings often are evaluated more harshly and met with more hostility than equally qualified men.[85][86]
>Research finds that work by men is often subjectively seen as higher-quality than objectively equal or better work by women compared to how an actual scientific review panel measured scientific competence when deciding on research grants. The results showed that female scientists needed to be at least twice as accomplished as their male counterparts to receive equal credit[82] and that among grant applicants men have statistically significant greater odds of receiving grants than equally qualified women.[83]
That bears repeating:
>female scientists needed to be at least twice as accomplished as their male counterparts to receive equal credit
>>52158437
>being forced to admit that most gender injustice in our society is rooted in cultural gender stereotypes that predominantly disadvantage women and cause collateral damage to men
I didn't say or imply anything like that, shit for brains. This is a completely delusional interpretation of that post. I had been unsure of whether or not you were a troll. Now I'm pretty sure you're actually insane. You see and hear and read what you want to, regardless of what's actually in front of you. It's pointless to argue with someone who has literally no grasp on reality whatsoever.
>>52158380
underrated post
>>52158299
This is the world we live in. Sometimes I wish the internet was still like it was 15 years ago.
It completely baffles me how someone can post on Tumblr celebrating how they've successfully bullied a young girl into committing suicide over drawing a fictional character too skinny, or harass someone's employer until they fire them for having an unpopular opinion, or call in a bomb threat on a cause or individual they don't like, or send needles in the mail to a journalist that writes articles critical of their cause, and then turn around with zero reservations claiming they have the moral high ground and that they stand for tolerance, love, and understanding.
If the rise of social media failed these people would be different than they are today.
>>52158593
>So saying that Obama is a filthy watermellon loving nigger isn't racist?
Remember that we're talking sociology here. It's about collective power, not individual. What you describe would be using a racist slur, probably rooted in the racism of the person saying it.
>>52158620
>I didn't say or imply anything like that
Your post came down to exactly that by neatly summarizing the points I raised, except that you framed them such that they could easily be ridiculed, without actually being addressed.
Damn, I thought /g/ is smarter than this.
This... means... WAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!
FUCKING SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
>>52158667
hello?
see
>>52158380
ITT: /gpol/ getting soundly and calmly blown the fuck out
>>52158667
Official thread music:
https://youtu.be/Jgk3u44W2i4
>>52158643
>if I point out a couple retarded acts committed by teenagers trying to be politically active, I can prove that the whole political ideology that they try to support is illegitimate
>>52158682
/g/ simply is too stupid to figure out it's just an &chan troll
>>52158659
>ridiculing a point is the same thing as admitting that it makes sense
I don't know why I didn't see that coming.
>>52158715
>no true scotsman
Come on now, you've got something better than that :^)
>>52158686
Hello Reddit!
>>52158721
we can't help it :(
>>52158620
So how are you going to fix this then? I've seen this shit first hand, yet your solution is to make white dudes kiss ass?
That's not going to help anything, that's a pipe dream. White dudes don't consciously do any of that shit.
The only solution to this is TIME, and trying to force it is actually breeding MORE misogyny. Before SJWism came up, sexism on this site was an actual joke, wasn't even serious even if it occurred.
But because of these SocJus theories being put into actual use, you're now seeing more actual hatred of women, actual misogyny, instead of intentionally retarded "make me a sammich" shit.
You niggas gettin trolled hard by some guy just copying the same bullshit rethoric from somewhere else basically
Don't be mad and happy new year /g/
>>52158404
Are you serious? You cannot honestly be serious? Do you have a PHD in mental gymnastics?
>>52158748
>fallacy fallacy
>>52158785
>So how are you going to fix this then?
Twitter advocates just killing yourself, for starters.
m'kay, but is this troll getting support?
>>52158748
nice one m8
>>52158795
Is this now fallacy fallacy fallacy?
>>52154172
>Tech LadyMafia
>Mafia
>appropriating Italian culture
>glorifying violence and antisocial crime
>trivializing the suffering of victims
>last name is literally "Sow"
Mockery and trolling is too easy...
>>52158795
>pointing out my fallacy is a fallacy
Pointing out my fallacy of pointing out your fallacy is a fallacy.
>>52158785
The sandwich mines!
They caused it, they get it. Some people are intentionally joining social justice movements just so they take away agency from females, or they cause hatred like you said. If you try it really hard to say the most retarded shit, someone else somewhere will go nuts. That may be your objective instead of perpetuating what you just said.
A good bunch of these ideologues are just another branch of trolls who have recognized that it's a good system for bullying where they get praise for doing it. They don't really take sides, they just want to shake things up.
>>52158835
No, you just mistakenly thought pointing out a fallacy means someone is wrong, or that the fallacy was indeed applicable (it wasn't).
>>52158861
>fallacy recursion
Finally we're on topic, what is /g/'s opinion on recursion vs loops?
>>52153204
Sjw's are too dumb to use arch. Come join the Master race.
>>52158873
>individuals who do things embarrassing in the name of my cause aren't true members of my cause
Textbook scotsman m80
>>52154253
I'll get started on the logo.
>>52158739
Wow, reading comprehension.
>>52158748
Do you know how the NTS fallacy works? I didn't even say these weren't "real SJWs" or something of that sort. To make a point, you would have to prove something akin to 1. a substantial majority of SJWs are like this, or 2. SJW ideology intrinsically contains something to justify acts of the sort mentioned in >>52158643.
I take it this board has more tech geeks than actual computer scientists, right? Because I would expect the latter to be smarter in debate.
>>52158880
Loops can be more efficient when scaling, but recursion is usually the best, unless you can't do tail recursion (can be pretty inefficient).
>>52158873
You dun goofed, give it up shitposter.
>>52158268
>>52158750
>not the anti-feminist central #2 on the Internet after 4chan
>>52153204
>Being that the current year is almost 2016
I mean
come on!
>>52158891
>Textbook scotsman m80
Textbook bald assertion. You need to justify the application of a fallacy and argue why it's especially applicable in the case where you apply it.
>even acknowledging this kind of shit
You guys are part of the problem.
>>52158792
>Do you have a PHD in mental gymnastics?
No, but compared to the average person, I'm more well-versed on feminist literature, know more on how to keep a quality debate, and know more on how science and human brains work re. bias.
/g/ has been utterly disappointing today.
Reminds me why I don't normally come here.
>>52158915
>I can't express my deluded thoughts coherently
>it's other people's fault, just like everything else
A much less interesting twist.
>>52158248
So....it's impossible to be racist against white people? It's impossible to be sexist against men? What the fuck? So if somebody punches me in the face because I'm white, it's not racist? Go back to your echo chamber.
>>52158891
>some guy against social justice does something against some social justice warrior
Media coverage every fucking where, we're being harrassed by this group about misogyny, please UN when will you give a fuck about us
>some social justicy guy does something against some person that dislikes social justice
That's just some random teenager, completely invalid
>>52158785
>But because of these SocJus theories being put into actual use, you're now seeing more actual hatred of women
This is called a reaction. Racism was uncontested and regarded natural so people were at peace trolling on other sites and reporting back. 4chan was a safespace for racist nenonazi.
Then advertisers came in and herded flocks of users to make them work for free creating viral campaigns.
As the site gained attention it was notorious that the viral marketing campaigns were too racist for mainstream media so other companies entered and infiltrated some political correct users to level the odds.
In the mean time other sites came up (like Reddit or Facebook) notoriously less racist and with much more users to herd so this site became literally a shit hole with only reactionary fucks and moderate socially concerned individuals having endless discussion with the same common places used over and over.
>>52158992
Anon, >>52158333 neatly summarizes how most gender-based ills in our society is based on the gender stereotypes that feminism is fighting.
By virtue of that alone, the post's content comes close to admitting defeat.
The poster's intention does not change that. It only puts the poster in an ironic situation.
God damn /g/, step it the fuck up.
>>52159009
>it's impossible to be racist against white people?
Racism is power + privilege. Marginalized groups hold no power over white males, therefore they cannot be racist to whites.
>It's impossible to be sexist against men?
See above.
>>52158809
Anyone?
>>52159060
Nope. People called it out for being a troll. A couple people took it serious and gave otherwise serious, levelheaded responses.
>>52159009
You can personally be biased against white people and you can be biased against males. This does not equate to racism or sexism, which are structural, culture-wide problems.
>>52159041
>that feminism is fighting
>>52154447
>>52154187
>>52153920
>>52153610
>>52153490
>>52153453
>>52153204
You fuckin MRAs are getting tripled by one of your own KiA gaters. https://www.reddit.com/user/starworks5
>>52159048
>Racism is power + privilege. Marginalized groups hold no power over white males, therefore they cannot be racist to whites.
Racism is discrimmination based upon skin color/ethnicity. Power and privilege is irrelevant, unless you want to render words meaningless. Power and privilege might (not necessarily) make things easier for some people, but that can't be extrapolated to mean they have some sort of original sin or that racism/discrimination against them somehow is less severe because of it.
Conflating these things leads to dangerous ideologue thinking.
>>52159102
Yes, since several decades now literally.
>>52159093
>problems
Well, that's a matter of opinion.
It is entirely possible that sexism and racism isn't institutional, but rather biological.
It being bad is purely a matter of opinion.
Are you all retarded? It's just someone shitposting, probably OP.
>>52159144
>one book introduction is proof of the intentions of an entire leaderless movement
>>52159041
The debate is tiring and endless I would much rather just kill >>52159048
You're never going to really win, big corporations control what the majority of people will believe regardless if your argument holds water and is based on facts or not.
So even stuff like gamergate(which is ironically treated exactly how those who are in power would like it to be even on this website) which had legitimate evidence etc was just made into more fuel to support bs agendas.
>>52159149
This. Everyone responded to the SJW and basically told them to fuck off.
I also have another question. Have you guys ever met an SJW in real life? I live in FL, so we don't generally have these types of people walking around.
>>52155446
says the guy with fucked up teeth himself.
>>52159093
>You can personally be biased against white people and you can be biased against males. This does not equate to racism or sexism, which are structural, culture-wide problems.
You are playing semantics games. When two people use the same words, but apply different meaning to them, they aren't communicating.
Bias is usually a by-product of racism/sexism. Whether the racism/sexism is "structural" or not is completely irrelevant. You are dangerously close to erasing the individual with such collectivist thinking. And when you erase the individual, it's easy to excuse and rationalize genocide (if it gets far enough).
>>52159188
>one of the most famous feminist classics ever
>doesn't hold any authority over the movement's ideals
OK m80.
Maybe you should read a couple books on feminism before starting to form ill-educated opinions on it.
>>52159197
>gaymergate
>legitimate evidence
>>52159148
>>52159197
>>52159210
It has been the consensus in sociology for a long time now, that there exists a very real problem with structural inequality and over-arching power imbalance.
Hell, that shit's probably soc 101.
>>52159041
That post is clearly pointing out that the set of beliefs being expressed in the post that it's replying to don't make any sense. You are interpreting it as an affirmation that the beliefs are justified, or reflect the truth in some way. Do you think that because a thing has been summarized, it must be true? Otherwise, how does summarizing a set of points equate to admitting that they have any merit?
I can "neatly summarize" ideologies that make no sense whatsoever all day long:
>the earth is hollow
>lizard people secretly run the world
>leprechauns cause global warming
Is my having summarized those ideas evidence that they make any kind of logical sense, in your opinion?
You pretend to understand informal fallacies, and also pretend that having heard your argument restated in satire is an unconscious admission by the satirist that you're right.
As a sincere SJW you are as delusional as ever. As a troll you are clearly losing your grip.
>>52159214
Why would I need to read the literature of a individual before making an opinion of what they write about?
I didn't read Mein Kampf before forming my opinion on eugenics, why would this be any different?
>>52159210
>Bias is usually a by-product of racism/sexism.
That goes the other way around. Racism/sexism are collective bias as well as concrete laws and cultural norms that hold said biases in place and justify/legitimize them.
>Whether the racism/sexism is "structural" or not is completely irrelevant.
It is incredibly relevant, because if you don't acknowledge a problem as a structural one, you will not be able to adequately address and defeat it.
>You are dangerously close to erasing the individual with such collectivist thinking. And when you erase the individual, it's easy to excuse and rationalize genocide (if it gets far enough).
That's a reeeeally far stretch. Also getting dangerously close to Godwin, if this doesn't already count as one.
>>52159133
It's no different in context than when when people started whining about the name of the 2nd Lord of the Rings movie, The Two Towers, being a reference to 9/11.
People's feels have been getting triggered since before SJW-ism was a thing.
I'm going to switch to debian after this
>>52155912
bait
>>52159252
>problem
Problem implies bad, whether inequality is bad or not depends purely on an individuals politics, and is not very good practice when trying to be impartial.
>power imbalance
I'm not denying the existance of any inequality. I'm questioning whether the situatuion is something which has formed out of sheer coincidence or whether we have an inate biological disposition to set up inequal societies.
If it is something which happens as a result of genetics, a social movement would have very little in the way of stopping it.
>>52159273
>That post is clearly pointing out that the set of beliefs being expressed in the post that it's replying to don't make any sense.
Nope. It doesn't. It doesn't put forth any actual arguments (points). It implicitly (or explicitly) asserts that the beliefs are false, but merely ends up repeating them and the logic behind them, with nothing to argue against that logic.
I'm merely pointing out the irony of the poster here, not claiming that the post was somehow in intentional support of my arguments.
We're also getting side-tracked and bike-shedding.
>hurr durr delusional
If you cannot even grasp the difference between someone pointing out the irony of implicit legitimacy given to a certain point, and said someone intentionally supporting said point, then it's no wonder that mildly sophisticated explanations of sexism as laid out in this thread would confuse you and lead you to believe that their author must be deluded.
>>52159281
Yup, definitely Godwinning now.
Thus ends the debate, I suppose?
>>52159353
Anti-racism and anti-sexism have made incredible changes in society in mere decades.
Sweden is one of the countries in the world adhering to feminism (even radical feminism) the most in their politics, and unsurprisingly they have some of the highest national satisfaction of life averages.
>>52159298
The difference there is nobody changed the name of that movie for the sake of a few offended people.
Now you have to be really careful with your language, otherwise a mountain of people will come after you, sometimes without even being affected by it (just because someone else was).
Take timmy over there, what a poor guy, he's shorter than all of us. He can get through that door, but let's make it shorter so we all have to go through his own problem, without even asking him if he's alright with it. That'll sure show us privileged people who managed to somehow choose our genetics at birth because... I don't know.
Can the two dipshits with their xboxhueg posts kindly fuck off?
>>52159377
>Sweden is one of the countries in the world adhering to feminism
>unsurprisingly they have some of the highest national satisfaction of life averages.
Somalia has a large number of pirates, and unsurprisingly their carbon footprint is one of the lowest in the world.
>>52159377
You went and mentioned Sweden. Now I know you're doing this shit on purpose. 8/10 for actual effort.
>>52159377
>implicit legitimacy given to a certain point
You are still trying to claim that to make fun of something is to give it "implicit legitimacy", so long as no explicit arguments against it are made. If you want to talk about informal fallacies, that is a textbook non sequitur. To put it in plain language, this thought doesn't make any sense.
>leprechauns cause global warming, because they are magic and global warming is obviously the result of magic
>leprechauns cause global warming, because they are magic and global warming is obviously the result of magic
>leprechauns cause global warming, because they are magic and global warming is obviously the result of magic
I've now repeated a ridiculous idea, and the deeply flawed logic behind it, several times, and provided exactly no arguments against that logic. Is this idea, in your mind, more legitimate than it was before?
If there's irony here, it's that you are trying to divine implicit meaning that's not there, when the implicit meaning of the post is where the argument is that you're saying doesn't exist. To put it in plain language, you're ignoring what's in front of you in favor a made up reality that supports your ideology, which is delusional.
>>52159447
Tbhq I don't even get the joke you're trying to make.
>>52159453
Are you one of those idiots who still unironically believe that Sweden is the "rape capitol of Europe", will become a third world country by 2030, and is turning rapidly right-wing?
The first is false because Sweden's highly progressive way of handling sexual assault leads to an inflated number of reports; this is explained in detail here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
(Feel free to check the citations for yourself, of course.)
The second is also false; it comes from some right-wing fake-news website where they cite a paper by the UN which, well, simply doesn't say what they're saying it says. Tell me if you have any real citations for that claim.
The third is also false; there are reactionaries brewing in Sweden as it always happens when you take in a lot of foreigners, but by large the country is still strongly adhering to socialist and progressive politics.
Also, ironically, local right-wing terrorists tend to lead to more overall casualties in Sweden than foreigner terrorists. If there's any direction they need to go, it's in the direction of fighting even stronger against the spread of right-wing ideologies.
>>52159377
>Godwinning
And?
Does the existance of Nazism as a convenient hyperbole for the sake of simplified comparison somehow make me wrong?
I'm not going to read hundreds of pages of text, only to come to the same conclusion I had reached before.
The small section that you posted is similar to how I imagine it would be. If the rest of her work is like that, I'd honestly take her less seriously than I did before (and extend my reduced respect for those who hold her works in high regard).
ITT: /gpol/ STILL getting soundly and calmly blown the fuck out.
>>52159559
>>52159571
Why don't you just give up already?
>>52159561
>Tbhq I don't even get the joke you're trying to make.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Sweden is a funny case though. Some years ago many Universities introduced gender quotas. That was until they found they actually disadvantaged female applicants more than male ones (a higher percentage of students in tertiary education insitutions are female), when a court case swiftly had them removed.
All about that equality though.
>>52159584
>I don't have anything smart to say
>I'll just pretend that I've won the argument
>That'll show 'em
>>52159571
>Does the existance of Nazism as a convenient hyperbole for the sake of simplified comparison somehow make me wrong?
It shows how unworthy of a proper debate you are.
You are literally implying that feminism and nazism are comparable.
It's like implying that nazism and veganism are comparable. Or that nazism and atheism are comparable. Or any number of such inane comparisons.
It's only something a person with the mental age of a teenager would do.
Either educate yourself on feminist ideology to form a proper opinion, or just remove yourself from discussions about feminism.
Here's a lot of radical feminist classics that you can download for free in PDF format:
http://radfem.org/dworkin
Yeah, it's *that* Dworkin. The one who supposedly says all men are rapists, all sex is rape, and women should just kill men. She says, in fact, none of those things. I cannot bring myself to say she "obviously" doesn't say those things, unfortunately, because certain propaganda devices have actually convinced a large number of people of those false facts, and I also believed them before I decided to read snippets from her books by myself so I could just form my independent opinion.
I read said snippets from
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/OnlineLibrary.html
but you can also just download the whole books from the former link.
This page can also be trusted re. myth busting:
http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/LieDetect.html
ITT: braindead faggots
>ignoring >>52158380
>>52159584
You'd have to define blown the fuck out to be desu.
Everyone in this situation will leave believing they have won. Like these threads always play out.
Especially when your only reply to them is 'give up', it's fair to assume that the posters you are replying to will feel just as successful.
>>52159643
Good job ignoring every other post surrounding that one.
Based radfem anon is doing god's work BTFOing /gpol/.
>>52159584
>expecting a serious debate on 4chan
Many years ago in military school I learned an important lesson, I was talking to a young man who was conviced that you could swim in clouds(becuz day contain wattaz), his reasoning was that his uncle had a picture of himself swimming in a cloud or something like that.
He was very adamant that it was possible and I could not convince him.
Some people are just retarded and unless you take them around like the ghost of christmas present you will never be able to convince them of anything, if you cite a source there is a problem with it etc. It's just a complete waste of time.
You're a gay nigger.
>>52159726
>people realized arguing with a rock is a waste of their time
>hurr BTFO :^)
>>52159693
None of them make more effective arguments for your point than yours.
>>52157429
not sure if troll or actually retarded
>>52159664
>You are literally implying that feminism and nazism are comparable.
Yes.
Lots of things are comparable and share similarities.
Does it mean that feminists ARE nazis? No.
Does it mean that they share similar attributes? Yes.
As for Dworkin, again, I still do not feel the need to read her work. She may not have made all of the outrageous claims that it is suggested she has, but this alone does not give her texts any credibility, and does also not mean that she has not made rediculous statements which damage any credibility she may have had.
>>52159726
Well, it's sort of their own fault for failing to realise the nature of the argument.
No-one can ever win or lose in an argument about feminism or social justice.
It's very similar to an argument on religion. Much of this stuff is neither proveably correct nor incorrect. It's entirely opinion based.
>>52160043
>It's entirely opinion based.
That is not true about feminism or religion.
If a person says the he does not value reason and evidence, then at that point it's clear to any thinking person that his ideas are worthless, and the debate is won by default. If a person claims to value reason and evidence, then they can theoretically be reasoned out of a faulty argument. If a person claims that an idea is logical, they are putting themselves in the latter category. Anyone with a faulty argument can, theoretically, be cornered into admitting that they actually fall into the former category, and think that reason and evidence is a patriarchal and/or satanic conspiracy, or at least into a position where it becomes clear that they value reason and evidence conditionally, which is effectively the same as not valuing it at all.
>>52159752
I've had better debates than this on /lgbt/.
Check m8.
>>52159936
By that logic, since any group has similarities to Nazis, any and every political idea can be entirely discredited without looking into it because after all we can do the same for Nazism.
>As for Dworkin, I refuse to read her books but I will continue spewing the same retarded shit that I heard other people spouting and thus contribute to this culture of idiocy like a good little sheep
Your call.
>>52160368
>patriarchal conspiracy
There is literally not a single piece of feminist literature that claims there to be a conspiracy against women.
And no, tumblr is not feminist literature, let alone blatant misinterpretations of things you were given as isolated screencaps from tumblr that were either taken out of context or contained too many feminist buzzwords for the average anti-feminist idiot to understand where the poster is even coming from.
>>52159771
>if I blandly assert that a dozen of posts explaining sexism in detail, citing feminist literature, and giving scientific evidence of sexism are all worthless in content, then I will surely discredit them! I am a genius!
>>52153287
They were when I last checked. People jumped all over the retard who started the topic.
Well, there's another project that SJWs are going to chase the real devs away from. Then, when only SJWs are left, they'll claim ownership of the dead project, claim they developed it, and pretend that it's an example of trannies being able to program despite not having contributed a single line of code. Not even having the skill the maintain the project, it'll slowly rot away and be forgotten by everyone else.
>>52160043
>No-one can ever win or lose in an argument about feminism or social justice.
You can prove the existence of sexism by showing clear-cut evidence of it, as was done in some of the posts above.
You can explain the meanings of racism and sexism as established sociological terms and provide evidence by pointing at sociological literature, as was done in some of the posts above.
You can soundly point out the consensus among academicians that shutting off one's own biases is impossible, and explain what methods they use instead to fight against bias, as was done in some of the posts above.
And so on. There were many battles won above, and hopefully a few smart members of the audience got something out of it. The outright bigoted anti-feminists are very unlikely to change their opinions no matter what, since they have a religious devotion surpassing that of any serious feminist, as evidenced by the feminist side of the debate preferring to cite academia and literature instead of try to explain life in terms of their personal world-view constructed from 20-something years of individual, biased experience.
>>52161038
>>52161073
Might it be that you still haven't heard the news that this Debian mailing list thread was started by a false-flagging anti-feminist idiot?
YOU WERE ALL TROLLED BY EIGHT CHAN
OPS POST WAS MADE BY EIGHT CHAN /TECH/
WHY DONT YOU LISTEN YOU RETARDED FAGGOTS
KILL YOU'RE SELVES
>>52161097
Doesn't matter. Once SJWs get started, they don't go away until the project is dead. The real devs don't want to deal with all the drama so they just spend their time on other projects.
>>52161145
Name a single instance where SJWs invaded a project and it faded into irrelevance.
>>52161097
Thanks anon, I missed that. I was supposed to post that response 13 hours ago but clover is fucked on my phone.
>>52161126
4chan is half as smart as eightchan, what were you expecting?
>>52158380
>Euphemia
B-but, that could remind someone of genocide. How insensitive!
>>52155645
It's what I do. I don't mean to, it just happens.
>>52160963
true Scotsman fallacy
>No REAL feminists think that
>>52159693
>shitposting non-arguments
>get called on it
>but why aren't you addressing the real arguments!
Idiot.
>>52161565
>not knowing what a No True Scotsman argument is
>outright rejecting scientific evidence and dozens of clearly laid out, carefully crafted arguments
Step it up senpai.
>>52153917
>but you honestly can never know
Yes you can, use your stupid brain.
>>52161230
>genocide
>implying 11s are people
top laff
>>52159041
Yeah, it almost sounds like gender roles and stereotypes are real bad for everybody and not just females. Hey, what's feminism all about again?
>>52161565
>true Scotsman fallacy
literally what
>one troll, probably from /g/, suggesting they change the name
wew lad
