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>Previous thread:
>>52033894
>>52048593
>beats
reported
>>52048623
if i had prepared to actually make yet another thread, i would have shopped them or something
>Budget
Around 100-150$, don't want to stretch too much.
>Location
Sweden
>Source
Macbook pro
>Preferred type of headphone
full size
>Open or closed
I've heard open would give me more sound quality for the money. Other than that I don't care.
>Comfort level
Not important
>Preferred tonal balance
Don't really know but i'm aiming for neutral
>Preferred music
Classical, jazz, progressive rock, some ambient/electroacoustic
>Past headphones
Nothing interesting. A pair of 40$ akg's. They were nice for casual listening, but I'm aiming a bit higher this time.
I'm aiming for AKG - K612 Pro. Seems like the best value for the money, recommended a lot etc. Only problem is that it apparently sucks without an amp and I barely know what an amp is. I definitely don't want to spend extra money on it.
I might get them anyway, and maybe consider buying an amp in the future, but i don't know if i should bother if i could get the same quality with cheaper earphones and no amp.
I have an Audio Technica store near me if that helps.
>>52048651
k612 would be great. an amp will just let them be louder. but its not like theyre going to be really quiet, they just wont get REALLY loud. theyre what i would have recommended you anyway, so good work.
>>52048651
check out SHP9500, the cable is pretty bad but it's replaceable and it's a standard cable
so you can just buy this and any mini jack to mini jack cable you want and use them with this
AKG is a pretty good brand so you should be fine with the 612.
There's not many headphones, especially under 200$ that REQUIRE an amp. But some will be able to produce slightly better sound and much louder sound with one
>>52048700
>>52048683
The reviews i looked at made it seem like an amp was essential, but i trust your judgement.
Couldn't find the SHP9500 anywhere except on forum threads. Either way i think i'll go with the k612.
Thanks!
man im not looking forward to having to work double time here the next few days, all the 13 year olds with hundreds of bucks from the parents are going to be in here asking what pair of beats to buy
>>52048854
well it's on amazon.co.uk for 100 pounds, but I know how much hassle mail is in norswefinland
>>52048683
>>52048700
>>52048651
AKG K612 are power-hungry, they need an amp. It's not just a matter of loudness, some headphones benefit from an amp also in terms of sound quality.
>Budget
$300 max
>Location
USA
>Source
Desktop, External DAC(I think) built into my Scarlett Solo interface
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized & Over Ear is a must.
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
They don't need to be heaven on my ears, as long as I can wear them for extended periods with no discomfort.
>Preferred tonal balance
Enhanced Lows but not Beats bassy
>Preferred music
I don't really prefer anything. I listen to basically everything except the general metal/screamo genre, wubstep, and trap.
>Past headphones
Only thing close to a serious pair of headphones I've owned is the HyperX Cloud IIs which I'm wearing right now.
Good evening senpai.
>>52049092
Sony MDR 1-A.
>>52049089
Right. That's what the reviews said too. So I have no idea about amps, but they seem to cost about as much as the headphones themselves. What's the cheapest alternative, and is it worth getting the earphones if i'm not getting the amp? Or should I go for a cheaper model?
>>52049094
i think were the only ones that post here anymore
Are the Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO, 250 ohms any good?
>>52049202
no. im the original guy, and take what hes saying with a grain of salt. its not that hes wrong, its just that youre probably giving what he says too much weight. the difference in loudness would be apparent, butt he difference in quality would be very minimal. degrading to a different headphone would be a massive loss of quality in comparison.
just get a fiio e10k eventually and you will be all set.
Picked up a pair of ATH m40x this Christmas. The audio quality is pretty great, but the sound is only coming out of the right ear. Is this a common problem with the product? What should I do to try and fix this?
Sorry for asking, but Google searches aren't helping much.
>>52049223
yet, but note that the 250ohm might need an amp depending on the music. if you want to avoid that, get the 80ohm
>>52049241
>what should i do to try and fix this
get a replacement you wanker, wtf, you just bought them
>>52049121
$239.99 or the $298 model?
>>52049089
>power-hungry, they need an amp. It's not just a matter of loudness
Given that the 612 has a fairly high impedance, it is just going to be about loudness. 612 is not very sensitive though.
>>52049202
You can start with something real cheap, it only has cost about 20-30 dollar range.
>>52049228
Ok, i'll keep that in mind. Thanks again.
>>52049244
Noted, thanks.
>>52049257
pretty sure that guy is trolling you for some reason. i would get the nad viso hp50
>>52049333
Eh, they're kinda ugly. Any other suggestions?
Koss prodj100 vs Takstar pro 80?
They are in same price range for me, how does Koss compare?
>>52049351
thats too bad, they fit the bill for you perfectly. i might recommend the ATH-MSR7, but youre going to be losing out on some bass
>>52049202
I'm getting a Fiio e10K for my AKG K702, which is more efficient than the K612. E10K should be enough also for the K612 though and it's not very expensive (around 70$).
>>52049269
Heapdhones' impedance is important in view of the source output impedance. What determines loudness is the headphones' sensitivity, measured in either dB/mW or dB/V. AKG is a serious brand, they express the sens of their headphones in dB/V, which is morw useful.
>>52049269
I might go for a Filio E6. If I don't, I'll just go for a better one in the future.
>>52049373
I don't mind. I have an equalizer installed would that work to fill in the gap?
What headphone should I wear if I want to be an anime girl?
>>52049412
then yes, youre all set
>>52049435
take your pick
>>52049439
Awesome. Just watched a review on the MSR7s and they're getting some praise. Thanks for the help!
>>52049552
np man, merry christmas
>>52049257
Whichever you picks should be fine. It just different on colors I think.
>>52049333
Its not that bad, though.
>>52049559
You too anon.
Why are the HD650's so bad
>>52049602
because jewheiser sucks
>>52049602
you fell for that meme or something?
>>52049453
Why do anime girls have shit taste in headphones?
>>52049642
Shillheiser pls. They just highschooler and didn't have shekels to afford your product.
>>52048593
I want to buy some headphones, cause my Aurvana Live 2 are broken.
>Budget
50 - 80$
>Location
Poland
>Source
ASUS Xonar D1
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Preferred music
EDM, cute anime idol music
>>52049381
>Heapdhones' impedance is important in view of the source output impedance. What determines loudness is the headphones' sensitivity, measured in either dB/mW or dB/V. AKG is a serious brand, they express the sens of their headphones in dB/V, which is morw useful.
Yes and yes. dB/mW isn't useful for anything with varying impedance, but expressing in watts is how to explain current and voltage limiting.
Impedance of load matters for th current draw that the amplifier outputs. Distortion rises with the current output from just about any amplifier, increasing as you get to the current limits, which are sometimes defined by the distortion instead of hard supply limits.
>>52049602
X2 and AKG K7- are cheaper and better
How do you keep your headphones? You do like in pic related, or do you keep them on a stand? Which way is better?
Phones are Audio Technica M40X
>>52049858
No, HD650 has better distortion, flatter and smoother frequency response than both of those shitty headphones.
>>52049911
I leave them like on your picture. Flat on my desk.
>>52049985
>Sennheiser
>better than akg
lol
FLAC Internet radio: https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac
Currently playing Christmas anime music
>>52050273
its laggy increase your internet
>>52050273
>Currently playing Christmas anime music
>christmas anime music
I have no idea what to expect from this
>>52050300
nm i was connected to something else
>>52049911
I just put them on the desk around my mouse whenever I'm not at the computer.
>>52049911
i hang them on the stand i have my microphone attached to
>>52050273
How did I play this again?
>>52050469
use foobar2000 if youre on windows
>>52050478
It just keep downloading the files though
>>52050543
a stream is virtually infinite MB
>>52050543
You could use the web player
Just picked up a pair of Sony XB950AP for $30. Did I do well?
>>52049743
supperlux hd681
>>52050595
>52050595
>2050595
>050595
>50595
>0595
>595
>>52050561
>>52050595
So isn't my ISP being faggot or the stream has finished already. Why I'm hearing some spooky shit and not anime music.
>>52050899
he started trolling with some jesus shit so i turned it off
Got myself Q701s without an amp. How badly did I fuck up?
I just ordered Soundmagic e10, what am I in for?
>>52051134
I did to about an hour ago, my HF5s broke down earlier last week, can anyone tell me how the E10s compare to them?
>>52051200
How long did they last?
Newbie here with a sort of off-topic problem but it's related to sound
I have a blue yeti that I use for voip however my computer has a ton of interference (constant buzzing) that gets picked up by it (not by the mic itself, coil whine or the badly shielded onboard sound card I believe) So I was wondering if there's some kind of external sound card or dac that would stop the interference from being picked up, the mic is usb.
Thanks.
>>52051271
A couple years if I remember correctly. Had to change the filters once because my friend borrowed them and he has fucking filthy ears.
>>52051109
You fucked up by purchasing any open AKG that isn't K612.
>>52051109
You could have bought a better open AKG for much less money, however you never do wrong when you buy an AKG.
>>52051507
>that treble on both
jesus
>>52051541
the treble peak at 6 and 8khz isn't nothing worrisome, dude. Very few natural tones are that high, it's almost a matter of harmonics at that point. Moreover, it's only a 5dB peak, it's not a huge enhancement
>Budget
like 100-200$
>Location
Canada
>Preferred type of headphone
anything that sits completely over my ears and is comfy for long periods of time. I wear glasses and I find a lot of headsets put too much pressure on the sides of my head
>open or closed
doesnt matter, im using them for my PC at home
>Comfort level
as comfy as possible
>Past headphones
Reason im writing this is because my Astro A40's (yes im sure theyre super pleb) broke and I loved them simply because they were the comfiest headphones ive ever owned. I could wear them for hours and not feel a thing.
Would be awesome if someone could recommend me some good headphones so I can grab them with christmas money tomorrow
>>52051620
stop posting
>>52051839
why?
>>52051864
because youre a sibilance apologist
Thoughts on Philips SHE9550?
What headphone pads do I buy for the M40x?
>>52051924
I've never heard about them, so that's probably not a good thing
>>52051924
why do this kind of thing when you can use the request form and get the best thing possible from people that know more than you do?
SRM-252A
Does anyone have one?
Can't you just replace the transformer with one that works for your region instead of having to use the one that stax gives you and stepping down/up?
>>52051824
akg k612
>>52051620
>the treble peak at 6 and 8khz isn't nothing worrisome, dude. Very few natural tones are that high
>[s] doesn't exist
How familiar with the letter "s"? Sibilants?
>>52052053
252 uses a AC-DC wall wart, so it is a matter of finding the appropriate wall wart. You can even use it with a battery pack if you were so inclined, some people did that.
Stax can be weird with the polarity that they use, look that up carefully.
>Budget
£400
>Location
London
>Source
In my asus z97-a mobo
>Headphone type
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Open for maximum listening expereience
>Comfort level
Auido quality over comfort level
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral
>Preferred music
I listen to lots of difference types, so I don't have a main
>Budget
~$500
>Location
US
>Source
Computer
>Preferred type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Max
>Preferred tonal balance
wut
>Preferred music
I like prog metal
>Past headphones
w/e $30 headset wal mart was selling 5 years ago
What's a headphone that is at least competitive with these for not a whole lot of money? These retailed on release at $99 something, but have since shrunk down to $50.
I want them to be capable of making my ears ring when I listen to noise rock. This headset has an amp that makes that happen.
I like jazz more than noise rock though. These are starting to sound tinny listening to jazz music.
$50 is a good price I think. $30-60 range. If they are on the higher end of the spectrum, they'd better be portable.
Also is anyone able to put a good word in for the next Sansa Clip+?
someone post a full setup for gud sound
I don't get it
how do you use fuck expensive headphones on sound coming from your shitty realtek soundcard?
what amps etc do you put inbetween?
and how is that making your shitty computer sound better?
don't you need a >300ohm soundcard?
only have 64ohm headphones atm but the onboard card only delivers 32
thinking about buying a cheap setup to satisfy my simple needs, but I don't know what
>>52052179
going from shit to a 500$ pair of headphones is quite a step up. You'll also probably want an amp if you're going for that budget.
Maybe check out 400i
I need a pair of bluetooth headphones for my mom. $0-200. Comfort/weight are most important, since I got her a pair of XPT100, but she said they were too heavy. Sound quality is not that important.
>>52052221
you just dont know what youre talking about is all
all you need for virtually perfect sound is
some high quality properly mastered music,
o2+odac for conversion and amplification, and some neutral headphones, like hd600, 400i, etc. looking at about 600-800 bucks
>>52052221
You seem to lack any understanding of electronics at work in audio DA-converters, amplifiers and transducers.
>>52052314
>nobass
>neutral
>>52052208
I bought my mum hdr180, but they are not bluetooth instead uses proprietary tech with base station and all(it does however mess with wifi), sound quality is surprisingly good
>>52052221
>I don't get it
Clearly not.
>how do you use fuck expensive headphones on sound coming from your shitty realtek soundcard?
By plugging in your headphones in and listening.
>what amps etc do you put inbetween?
DAC/amp combos or a cheap tiny Fiio amp.
>and how is that making your shitty computer sound better?
The crummy onboard op-amps have their current supplies overload directly into the headphone. Directly into another amplifier, the load is removed from it.
Additionally, there are potentially significant impedance interactions with that the amp will buffer, and instead present a more idealized impedance to headphone, ideally.
Won't save you from EMI.
>don't you need a >300ohm soundcard?
No. High impedance stuff is easier to use, but can be less sensitive. More voltage is needed.
>>52052367
neutral does not mean it has no bass. it means it might not have enough bass for your taste. but that is not something to take up with me or the headphones, its something to take up with how people make their music. if you dont know why this makes sense, you still dont understand audio
>>52052398
just make sure you delete your misplaced comment please thank you
>>52052413
please ignore the retards trying to bait every time a certain brand's product is mentioned
>>52052221
>I don't get it
>>52052314
>you just dont know what youre talking about is all
>>52052323
>You seem to lack any understanding
>>52052411
>Clearly not.
thanks guys
>>52052526
You got what you asked for though >>52052314
http://www.head-fi.org/products/sennheiser-px-100-ii-supra-aural-mini-headphones-black
how good are these with post-rock?
>>52052568
why don't you read the reviews and compare them with the sounds of post-rock instead of asking to be spoonfed such a specific answer?
idiot
>>52052594
srsly tho don't vent out anger on unrelated people it's not good for you
>>52052568
>specific colored frequency response for a genre of music meme
those are excellent headphones for the type of headphones they are though.
>>52048593
What headphones will make me look the most autistic when wearing them in public?
>>52052686
mad dogs
>>52052645
>those are excellent headphones
>literally worse than beats
>>52052686
hd 800
>>52052686
An option.
>>52052686
...
>>52052711
PX-100 II is excellent.
Hello.
I need over-ear headphones for my phone(andriod). And I don't want to look autistic in public. Budget: Around 100 EUR
>>52052808
Beats™ by Dre, homie.
>>52052711
>>literally worse than beats
As in $50 portable headphones are underwhelming to $300 hip-hop fashion items?
How about compare both to Porta Pros.
>>52052823
Yeah, you know I have a brain?
>>52052831
how about we stop describing on-ear headphones as "excellent"?
>>52052916
How about quit being mad about inconsequential things and enjoy Christmas.
>>52052957
i'm not american. i celebrated christmas yesterday.
>>52052887
Anything else will make you look like a turbo autist.
How's the isolation of SHURE SE215 compared to Etymotic Research MC5?
>>52052998
But they're bad and over-priced, aren't they?
>>52052987
You could have just said that celebrating Christmas is against Sharia law.
why do reviewers stress so much the "music preference" factor when they recommend a certain headphone? I mean, sure, something like the X2 make rock and bass-based music really entertaining and exciting, but wouldn't a neutral headphone be better in any case? A balanced, flat sound is closer to the source no matter of its genre. When you like a headphone because of its colouring, doesn't this mean that you enjoy listening to your headphones rather than to your music?
>>52053033
don't live in france, uk, sweden or germany either
>>52053040
reviews are for normies
yes
yes
>>52053052
Then why the fuck should I care where you come from?
>>52053040
>I mean, sure, something like the X2 make rock and bass-based music really entertaining
headphones that can accurately reproduce bass make bass focused music entertaining. X2 doesn't do that
>>52053107
i was hoping you would stop caring. you seem obsessed
>>52053109
Yeah I know that X2's low-bass rolloff is terrible, but I just took these headphones as examples because I have them and I know the vibe they give off in certain songs.
>>52052208
>$30-60 range
>listening to jazz music
The HD 518 is pretty good and goes for around $60. It's a bit airy in the highs, but it sounds fantastic for any music involving brass instrumentation.
>If they are on the higher end of the spectrum, they'd better be portable
If you'd rather have a portable pair of cans, the ATH-M40x goes for around $80. It's not as good with jazz, but the sound is overall much tighter and better for pop/rock.
Greetings senpai
Hey mu
What are some good headphones that could fit me well
-basshead
-closed back
-no sound leakage
-clear, obviously
-detachable cable
-good for any music
-(optional criteria) foldable, portable, good(can be fake) material, looks nice
Thats all im really asking for. But my budget is around 50 dollars because im a poorfag.
>>52048593
>Budget
300-400€
>Location
deutschland
>Source
pc, external dac amp
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
open - I guess (never had full sized, I want to waer them for long gaming sessions/listening to music. Dont want to get hot/sweaty years)
>Comfort level
ultra SUPER comfy
>Preferred music
new retrowave, goa, metal
>Past headphones
bose soundtrue ultra in-ears
thanks brahs
>>52053662
I copied the same post from mu to here because i really need to know
Hopefully you guys can help
>>52053654
what happened to the best two headphones in your pic
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B000056ULH/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_s=desktop-4&pf_rd_r=0EG4VTEVMCQJ8PJ9G85C&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2055622102&pf_rd_i=desktop
Worth it?
>>52053709
no?
>>52053680
fuck off troll. youre not going to get half of that for 50 dollars
but yeah superlux hd681
>>52053654
I have never noticed that one of your fav albums is Days of Future Passed. Great work!
>Budget
$75
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop/Desktop speaker amp
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
No preference
>Comfort level
Wear it for 5-8 hours a day levels of comfy
>Preferred tonal balance
iunno
>Preferred music
Listen to lots of rap, jazz, blues, pop, reggae, edm
>Past headphones
681 evos - loved the comfort and the general sound of them, were a little weird with the headband and ended up snapping it since I used too much force one day.
>>52053764
There are plenty of super cheap headphones that fit literally all of that criteria except for sound, which i counted on you guys for being the expert on
Why do you have to recommend huge headphones that have so much sound leaking out of them that i'd just blast them out of 5 dollar speakers because thats what it sounds like to everyone in the room?
>>52053783
Did you mod the evos in any way? Does the sound leakage bother you?
>>52053805
Sound leakage didnt bother me really, not like anyone else is around to hear my shit. I plan to use these in the house, and my meteorite never picked up any noise for people in chats to hear me.
I did actually mod it. I put a fucking rolled up sock around the plastic arc. It worked surprisingly really well.
>>52053796
but none of them are good
and you never specified what size headphones you want, you did say portable, but youd be surprised about what that means around here
this is what you get if youre not even going to fill out the proper request form. fuck the people at /mu/, they dont know shit. i take it you would rather have some on ears then, which would have been a lot more simple if you actually read the op posts of general threads
>>52053850
well i mean the superluxs arent even foldable so how would that be in any way portable other than the cable?
But yeah sorry, i meant to put on ear headphones as a specification
The thing is, with around a 50 dollar budget im not asking for a lot, so i didnt want to answer the huge greentext list since most of the shit on there is for richfags who have options
So, I was wondering if you people could recommend good bluetooth headphones? Thanks !
>tfw
>>52053927
i accept your apology, but for future reference, even at super cheap, its good to fill out the form. it tells us a lot because we know a lot
anyway though, im not the on-ear guy unfortunately. ive never been interested in them so i know nothing about them :^). sorry senpai
>>52053783
i dont think theres really anything better than what you had for the same price. maybe save up a bit more and check out hd558 or shp9500?
>>52053995
wireless sucks. and fill out the form, even if you do want wireless in the end, but i strongly suggest you reconsider
>>52053995
I would like to know this as well
My brother got the bluedio t2's
And the whole bluedio bluetooth brand has countless good reviews on it, seems to be the most popular option for a lot of people
If you ask me how they sound, theyre really just a standard clear headphone, everything is there for sound, balanced and clear
I like bassy sound signatures and that headphone doesnt really fullfill me. But the countless features are amazing to be honest. And the battery life is like 30 to 40 hours of some crazy shit like that.
>>52054035
good goy
buy shit you dont need
listen to the different colorations
yeeeeeesssssss
>>52054044
>i dont think theres really anything better than what you had for the same price. maybe save up a bit more and check out hd558 or shp9500?
The 9500s look really nice and comfy. How's the quality of build for those if you by chance know?
I was honestly thinking of getting the 668s since I've been told they're pretty much a slight upgrade from what I had, and they don't have that band that got in the way last time.
>>52054097
>AKG
>colored
lel back to reddit
>>52052916
How about you try actually reading the post which you apparently claim to say they are excellent without any other notions or context and stop the goddamn shitposting which this thread if already full of.
>>52054097
You can afford wants when your not a poorfag.
>>52054157
>complains about shitposting
>posts headroom measurements
oh the ironing
>>52054097
akgs are almost all very neutral and even if theyre not, their signatures are pretty fucking close, so he wasted money even more than you would say
>>52054117
the comfort on the 9500 is excellent. i havent tested it myself, but its very similar to its older brother, the x2, which i have tested. plus people never have any complaints. the only one i know if is that it lacks a bit in bass.
speaking of bass, id say the 668b is a downgrade as far as neutrality goes. youre entering a bit more of a v-shape if you were to get the 668b, which isnt necessarily a bad thing, just know that the bass and treble will be more accentuated
So.. nobody here has ANY experience with on ear headphones that arent koss related?
Fuck man
>>52054044
Yeah, sorry about that !
>Budget
I'd have 300-400 available for a good buy
>Location
Switzerland
>Source
Desktop/Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Since I'd be using it a lot, but not necessary if the headphones are good
>Preferred music
Can go from chiptunes to classical, so a broad range of genres
>Past headphones
I tried the Beats Studio Wireless, but felt they were too bassy and didn't have as clear a sound as my desktop headphones (Which are normal gaming headphones)
>>52054187
all that shit costed about 400 burgers
worth it
>>52054195
so you do have to have wireless then?
>>52054219
at least tell us which one is your favorite
>>52054190
the porta pros are seriously good though
>>52054232
Just got the 340 last week still debating whether i like the k340 or the k702 but i will say they are close
>>52054190
well who the fuck uses on ears
>>52054184
>ironing
truly hilarious. you can find other measurements too or just look at the raw graphs of headroom. these don't have sealing issues.
>>52054187
>akgs are almost all very neutral
not
>>52054195
DT250 80 ohm
>>52054190
the px-100 ii mentioned before is really good.
>>52054266
>never listened to a AKG
>>52054232
It's not a necessity, but I was wondering, why is wireless bad?
>>52054266
how new are you? dont lie
>>52053745
How long did thy last you?
>>52054262
I ordered a pair of AKG K702 on Amazon, they should be delivered in 5-6 days. How good are they in terms of spaciousness and imaging? are they comfortable even with the headband bumps? do they have sealing problems?
>>52054190
I just got a Grados SR80e for Christmas. I'm still warming them up, but I can tell the mids are fantastic and the bass is tight.
>>52054287
are you one of the fags who literally shills here and calls other brand recommendations shills? saying that any brand has consistent enough product line to call every product "very neutral" is just plain wrong.
>>52054291
i bet you are referring to the ironing. not as new as you think.
>>52054289
not necessarily bad but it's just the lack of documented performance of most wireless headphones and there are more things you can fuck up in wireless headphones.
>>52054321
they didn't snap. ill answer for the catfag. he gave his hd 600s to his brother and the "mementum" cables broke twice(?) so he sold them to his friend.
>>52054354
>I can tell the mids are fantastic
the only thing grados too decently.
>>52054335
very (best within its price range), i wouldn't know about the bumps since mine don't have them. Sealing shouldnt be a problem unless you have a small head
my sansa clip died since lol headphone jack.
Is fiio x1 or the ultraportable 3m(?) any good?
>>52054385
get the x1
>>52054335
>How good are they in terms of spaciousness and imaging?
impossible to quantify but people seem to praise that aspect of those.
>are they comfortable even with the headband bumps?
no although this is kind of subjective.
>do they have sealing problems?
no.
>>52054289
a bunch of different reasons. firstly is that you have to re-encode the audio before sending it over the air, and the method use can be anywhere from okay-ish to absolutely horrid. secondly is that they have not only size constraints because of the extra things they need, but the drivers have to be designed a specific, limited way so that batteries can actually power them. now this doesnt all mean wireless has to be 100% terrible all the time, it just means theyre going to be in general inferior. theres more reasons too but i dont want to sit here typing about it, its something you could research if you want.
anyway, if youre not going wireless, get the oppo pm-3. if you want to have it, someone else can recommend because ive never invested time into researching them (thought as >>52054374 said its difficult to do that because people dont document them, for obvious reasons)
>>52054381
I see...I also don't know whether the ones I ordered have bumps or not: I hope they have bumps because the one with bumps are made in Austria, but I guess I might enjoy the chinese no-bumps ones better.
>>52054426
ok thanks.
I bought my AKG K702 for 198euro, is that a good price?
>>52048593
Senn Hd 600's
Schiit bifrost uber (using optical)
Schiit asgard 2
Pair of adam F5's
use JRiver with asio.
>>52054458
back to head-fi, you fucking faggot
>Budget:
$200 at most, preferably closer to $150
>Location:
US
>Source:
Desktop, laptop, possibly phone
>Preferred type of headphone:
Full Sized
>Open or closed:
Closed cause I already have open headphones
>Comfort level:
I have glasses so not having headphones that push my glasses against my head and hurt would be great
>Preferred tonal balance
I enjoy bass I guess?
>Preferred music
lots of different kinds of rap, trap, pop
>Past headphones
I have a pair of phillips SHP9500, I really like the comfort and they were nice for the price but I just want something that's a step up
What do you guys think of these cheap tube amps? I just got this one (currently using the stock tube), and it seems to be doing its job pretty well.
Source:
http://www.head-fi.org/products/little-bear-bk-6n11-12au7-6922-tube-valve-headphone-amplifier
>>52054426
>impossible to quantify
no, if people felt like actually doing studies, they could figure out what kind of signature that common audioretard terms end up looking like. if i had to guess, id say spaciousness equates to a rollercoaster type FR, since instruments will be all sorts of stupid different volumes and this will create the fake effect that things are of different distances of the room
>>52054472
Im a faggot because i spent money on a good headphone set up?
Guess you'd tell me to go back to stereophile with my turntable set up.
>>52054496
tube amps are old technology and deprecated. buy a proper solid state one, and if you want to change the signature of your audio. use a parametric equalizer
>>52054502
isn't the rollercoaster FR the cause of the so called soundstage? By spaciousness I meant open sound, which lets music breathe, instead of making it sound congested
>>52054528
Apparently you've never auditioned a McIntosh set up.
>faggot detected
>>52054496
i also queery about this tube amp. been checking it out for awhile wondering if it would be a good buy.
>>52054529
oh okay, didnt know you were being that specific. yes, phones can be quite more open than either other open phones. this isnt really a documented metric though, so youd have to go off personal experience - reading average joe reviews would be the best for this actually
>>52054547
oh yes for sure. your godly 2nd harmonic distortion generators are very true to the audio, totally wonderful and unique and definitely not able to be emulated by any means. please continue to throw your money away
I want the equivalent of a beats studio without the expensive price
Anybody know a recommendation?
>>52054596
It's cheaper than that Bravo amp, it has more input/output options, and it outputs a hell of a lot of power. I personally got it because I can use it as a standalone amp now, but I can use it as a preamp later if I get a better amp.
While I really like it, I'm definitely going to pick up a Mullard or E-H tube to replace the cheap Chinese one that came with it.
>>52054430
Should I get the oppo pm-3 or the DT250 80 ohm then?
>>52054452
>I bought my AKG K702 for 198euro, is that a good price?
can you get k612 pro for cheaper? that's a decent price though.
>>52054458
>Senn Hd 600's
great
>Schiit bifrost uber (using optical)
eh
>Schiit asgard 2
eh
>Pair of adam F5's
they are k.
>use JRiver with asio.
for what purpose?
>>52054490
DT770 80 Ohm
>>52054496
>What do you guys think of these cheap tube amps?
garbage
>>52054502
frequency response has effect on everything including soundstage but a completely random rollecoaster fr obviously wont mean anything. if you have studies, do share.
>>52054529
>By spaciousness I meant open sound, which lets music breathe, instead of making it sound congested
you'll have to be more specific.
>>52054547
truly convincing average audiophile argumentation error. brb getting a mcintosh amp to audition.
>>52054600
Emulated. lmao, what a fag.
One day you'll grow up and realize that some shit just sounds good. Until you hear shit that's more expensive than your car, I suggest you keep your simple minded ideas to yourself.
>>52054666
pm-3
>>52054402
ok senpai expect pics soon
>>52054678
what's the difference between the 80 OHM, 32 OHM and 250 OHM?
>>52054678
I use JRiver so i can downsample 192khz to 96khz, output pcm from DSD, and the overall ease of it. The plugins on Foobar never worked right for me. My optical will only pass 96khz, but i use it instead of usb because of shit electrical noise.
>>52054496
propably as good as a solid state but you'll get a lot less placebo.
They look great tho.
I have valhalla 2 purely cause the design is bitching. All of my hpg don't even need it.
>>52054747
the impedance
>>52054661
can you explain this preamp thing
what the fuck is the point of running it through more than one amplifier?
>>52054666
pm-3 for sure, also nice get you devil
>>52054678
>frequency response has effect on everything including soundstage but a completely random rollecoaster fr obviously wont mean anything. if you have studies, do share.
of course it means something, what the hell? and i dont have studies, im saying if they decided to study it, which i dont think anyone has, it wouldnt be even close to impossible to find a correlation. the roller coaster idea is just my guess.
>>52054683
yeah yeah. the people with scientific background in this thread all know how much you actually know about audio physics. please enjoy your tube amp. dont forget to purchase a truck with a hemi too, its obviously very powerful. much better than not having one
>>52054678
K612 are 139eur on Amazon.it. Are they better than K702? I wasn't able to find their FR anywhere...also aren't the K612 really hard to drive? I bought a Fiio e10k along with the K702, because I thought that it could drive them decently, but I suspect that I would need to spend much more for an amp to pair with the K612
>>52054747
The impedance.
Lower the impedance usually means its current controlled.
>>52054747
58 and 170 OHM, respectively
>>52054776
>Muh scientific background
>calls it audio physics
>>52054776
>tube amps r bad
okay
sounds like a solid state
has a glow to it
a lot other audio equipment uses it
but it's bad due to a few things you won't hear in a blind test.
Truly autism
>>52054783
>I wasn't able to find their FR anywhere
you're pretty fucking incompetent
http://en.goldenears.net/GR_Headphones/42471
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK612.pdf
Im not much of a /g/fag
If theres a beats solo hd for 50 dollars nearby on craiglist should i buy it?
>>52054812
you dont think audio is based on physics? thats silly itself but i dont know what else youre trying to say
>>52054817
i mean, doesnt a tube amp have even less of a point if it's not going to create 2nd harmonic distortion? why not just get a solid state?
So I got a pair of Studio 2 wireless Beats for Christmas. Never had head phones before, are these good?
Mostly listen to Savant, Rhodz, and the like.
>>52054683
before you post any more, please educate yourself on basic sound science and electronics.
>>52054747
voice coil impedance. 32 ohm seems to measure quite poorly so i'd avoid it. pick either one of the 80 or 250 ohm variants. 80 will be easy to power with almost anything. 250 might require an amplifier.
>>52054766
>propably as good as a solid state but you'll get a lot less placebo.
what
>>52054761
>ease of use
a decent reason at least. just downsample right to 48khz or 44.1khz.
>>52054783
k612 can be seen in measurements on goldenears and innerfidelity. they are the highest fidelity akgs in production although the difference to k702 is not big. i will recommend you to EQ both of those so there really isn't much to differentiate them from each other other than comfort(k612 does not have bumps), drive requirements(k612 is less sensitive) and the fatc that k702 has a detachable cable.
>>52054836
>if there's free shit on the street should I smear it on my face
>>52054771
A preamp is used to change the characteristic of the sound before actually amplifying. By using a tube preamp, you get the warm tube sound, and from there, you can use another amp to output to speakers/headphones. I suppose the setup makes more sense for speakers where the amp has more outputs, but you can do it with headphones for shits and giggles.
>>52054851
>K612
>Highest fidelity AKG
wew lad
>>52054878
Are you this guy
>>52052711
>>52054851
>before you post any more, please educate yourself on basic sound science and electronics.
im trying to teach them, but its as if they came straight from tumblr. everything i say is just an insult to what they think they know, and they just defend it with personal experience. i dont see the point, but then again im not retarded, so maybe ill never understand
>>52053782
Not all of them are my favorite but rather what im listening to the past week / month. DOFP is however one my my favorite baroque pop albums.
>>52054903
it is. what makes you think they aren't?
>>52054848
>are these good
If you didn't pay for them, sure.
>>52054908
he's not me. why does it matter anyway?
>UrAvgConsumer
>buys 200-300dollar tech and headphones daily
>>52054921
>and they just defend it with personal experience
if you are the moron with mcintosh amp and price point "arguments", you are the only one talking and arguing from personal experience right now and relying to things unrelated to audio quality itself.
>>52054923
The 702,701,7xx,812 exist. Take your fr chart autism back to reddit newfriend
>>52054963
what no, he was the one with the amp. he was talking to me, saying i needed to hear it
>>52054848
No.
>>52054960
>how does youtube work
i would too if i get paid for views showing unboxing level knowledge.
>>52054967
oh boy. fuck off. i can't even take you seriously as you mentioned 812. did you perhaps forgot the k712 from that list too buddy? they are higher up in the product line after all.
>>52054851
I guess my degrees were pointless.
>>52054956
Well what would you recommend to someone on a budget less that 60 dollars that wants something that looks good, sounds good, and will last a long time?
>>52055012
>never listened to a 812 and instead looks at a chart on the internet
>712
>not a colored 702
now off to reddit
>>52055039
how about you FILL OUT THE FUCKING FORM
>>52055039
my recommendations are no longer welcome in this thread
>>52055020
degrees in what? i certainly aren't seeing the only truly knowledgeable person regularly posting to /hpg/ in this thread tonight.
>>52055058
>arguing from personal experience OVER measurements
>pulling the reddit card
i think you need to apply for an author on headphonia. maybe 6moons needs someone for personal audio articles, too? because in there you can get away with the bullshit you are pulling here.
at least i think we agree on the fact that 712 is nothing but a terribly colored 702.
>>52055163
Before you insult my intelligence again, please learn the English language.
Why not PortaPros?
>>52054908
no, I'm that guy though
Hey, merry christmas lads, I guess this is the right place to post this.
I recently got for christmas a sound blaster ZxR sound card for my pc, I only just built it and I'm new to the whole audiophile stuff but I've always liked music.
Sound Blaster claim it's 80% more pristine in quality than stock sound, which is just a Realtek High Definition Audio. My ears are fine, once I put it in will I notice some increases in quality? How does /hpg/ rate sound cards, at least the high-end ones?
Are the Apple beats constructed better than the Monster era beats?
I've heard some people claim dr nigger dindu nufin he a gud boi and the Monster CEO dude forced him to make sub-par headphones.
I'm not interested in buying them, just curious.
>>52055312
applel > monster
its still shit though
Evening lads, I've recently encountered a problem with a pair of new Audio Technica ATH-WS77 headphones I got just a few days ago. On certain songs I can hear a piercing sort of crackling/popping sound at certain points of the song. Any explanation/advice?
>inb4 buy whatever headphones I'm shilling for
Not buying new headphones at this point as these we're a gift so I can't really return them, and I can't afford new ones at the moment
>>52055196
i apologize for drinking too much and not being a native speaker.
>i certainly am not*
good enough now?
>>52054893
>A preamp is used to change the characteristic of the sound before actually amplifying
no. no for fuck's sake.
>by using a tube preamp, you get the warm tube sound,
no again. tubes aren't "warm" by design at all. another stupid audiophile idea being thrown around everywhere. unless by warm you are referring to the fact they do output a lot of heat because of their inefficiency.
you use preamp as a buffer, a voltage normalizer before outputting the signal to power amplifiers or whatever you might be using after the preamp. some high end passive setups have a preamp acting as sort of a "hub" for your sources which then feed the signal to the power amps and after that to the loudspeakers. the preamp controls the volume in a lot of cases. preamplifier is also something that is built into most devices which people refer to as "DACs" or receivers. a preamp that colors the sound is one shitty preamp.
DT 770/80 mustard rayce here, best comfort headphones for $200.
Well /g/ was right again! I got a Razer Tiamat 7.1 for Christmas and the sound quality is fucking awful. Am I doing something wrong? I'm pretty sure I have all of the colours matching up on the plugs. Before I was just using some $60 Sony headphones, which sound much better. It's like night and day. Is it possible to return opened shit to Amazon?
Any way:
>Budget
Around $170.
>Location
Canada.
>Source
Desktop.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized. Needs to cover ears.
>Open or closed
Closed, but doesn't really matter.
>Comfort level
I need to be able to wear it for long periods at a time.
>Preferred tonal balance
Probably neutral
>Preferred music
I don't really listen to a lot of music. I need them more for gayms and TV.
>Past headphones
$60 generic over the ear Sony headphones. I can't remember the model, but there's no padding on the top so I had to tape a face cloth around it so I could wear them comfortably.
are takstar 2050's a good buy for 42.99?
i only play csgo and listen to what p4k tells me to
my current headphones: Panasonic RP-HTX7
>Budget
Around 150€
>Location
Germany
>Source
Smartphone Bluetooth
>Preferred type of headphone
On or Over Ear
>Open or closed
Closed for daily traveling
>Comfort level
Not the biggest Problem
>Preferred tonal balance
Don't really know but i'm aiming for neutral
>Preferred music
Rock, Hip Hop, Electro, Metal
>Past headphones
S400bt overwhelming Bass, ath m50x perfect but cable is a pain in the Ass
>>52055423
770 pro
>>52055423
DT250 80 Ohm
>>52055455
>are takstar 2050's a good buy for 42.99?
yes.
Any headphones with good sound quality with a style similar to pic related?
Budget is around $150
>Comfort Level
Pretty comfy
>Prefered tonal balance
Dunno, just good all around or neutral I suppose.
>Preferred music
General rock and metal, some nu disco/electronica, chiptune, hiphop, trip hop, etc.
>>52055593
Fuck me forgot the picture
Also something I can preferable wear around my neck or tuck in should
>>52055614
no you can't be tainaka ritsu
>>52055614
Looks like the Sennheiser Momentum series
>>52055507
>>52055516
>770 pro
>DT250 80 Ohm
Beyerdynamic? Where are you finding them for under $250?
>>52055672
Amazon
For long and complicated reasons involving virtual machines I need an external USB amp/dac, not a PCI card or onboard.
Is there a decent one for >$100? I've heard good things about the O2+ODAC but it's out of my budget.
Headphones are HD598 SE.
>>52055715
FiiO E10K should do the job.
>>52055695
>>52055754
Well I'm stuck Canadian prices, and both of those are way outside of my budget.
>>52055593
Alternatively how are the ATH-M50x?
>>52055763
http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0016MNAAI
??
I would recommend the DT250 if you wanted neutral but those are under your budget.
Symphonize Wraiths any good?
Is the M50x worth it for 180 cad (130 usd)?
>>52055807
ya totally blew it, amazon canada has the 598 SE's for $109
Not saying the best, but wicked value.
>>52055763
http://www.shopbot.ca/pp-beyerdynamic-dt-770-pro-beyerdynamic-price-233075.html
third result for "770 pro canada" gave me a link for 205$, so there's probably even cheaper ones around
250 is like 30-50$ cheaper than the 770 so you should easily be able to find that
I ordered the ATH-M30X for listening to electronic and rock. Did I fuck up?
>>52055830
see
>>52055423
>Open or closed
Closed
if he said either I might have recommended something like the 598
>>52055845
yes. cancel and get m40x.
>>52055827
has quite a bit off bass, just be ready for that
>>52055807
>>52055837
The 250 is more expensive everywhere I've seen it.
I should say again that my budget is $170, and that I don't care about open or closed.
>>52055889
in that case, >>52055830
>>52055889
HD 558 then or HD598 SE if for some reason that is cheaper.
>>52055868
I'm a poorfag anon-kun. I can't afford headphones that expensive. Plus I live in Seattle, chances are it'll be here by tomorrow.
>>52055910
isn't it like 20'ish bucks more?
>>52055349
pls halp
>>52055876
I'm aware;
I was using the new earpods up until now and these do have quite a lot of bass, I was hoping for a little bit less on my first decent headphone, although I don't want a nonexistent bass
Are the m50x on the same level of bass? Like, beats-level and earpod-level of bass?
>>52055920
Yes. But again, I'm a poorfag. When I fell for the mechanical meme, I got a TENKEYLESS Quickfire Rapid because it was 80 dollars.
[spoiler]Could have gotten a model m for that kind of money though[/spoiler]
How are the m50x for general purpose listening and quality? [spoiler]Should I sping the extra $40 for the Dark Green?[/spoiler]
I listen to just about everything from old soul and jazz to nu disco and general electronica.
>>52055935
not a lot of things are on beats level of bass
>>52055964
model M is meme. you'd also have to get it off ebay or some shit
I fell for the mechanical meme and sent it back in
>>52055965
>Should I sping the extra $40 for the Dark Green?
naahh
maybe customize them yourself somehow, I think 40 bucks is a little too much for that
>>52055349
same sound every time? do a sine sweep and listen to the response. can you hear a pop? is it possible for you to try it with other headphones for comparison?
>>52055935
from measurements earpods don't seem bassy at all and beats aren't a singular thing. some of them are really bassy, some just shit rollercoasters in the frequency response. m50x is definitely bassy. too bassy for me but i know many people enjoy them a lot.
>>52055965
you should spend less to get the better m40x.
>>52055965
>>52055964
spoilers don't work on this board you fucking /v/ fags
>>52056004
where can I get those measurements, goldenear?
comparing earpods and m50x, do they have similar measurements?
>>52056004
Are the m40x better? How?
>>52054529
>isn't the rollercoaster FR the cause of the so called soundstage?
Partly. FR is a factor in just about everything.
Congestion is both based on FR and use of compression and mixing/panning.
I'm lacking on detailed knowledge in this matter, but the brain does a running correlation looking for sounds similar to an initial sound impulse being fed to the two ears, bursts with a similar spectra, but modified by acoustic absorption and other interaction. Differences present between the two ears and the cross-correlation/autocorrelation at the ear create space and stereo separation.
>>52055058
812 might sound even worse than it measures, although I could be forgetting the graphs.
>>52056029
Goldenears and Innferfidelity have both.
>>52056077
More neutral and overall more balanced frequency response.
>>52056114
Happy holidays to you "smartanon". You could have a field day with this thread if you bothered.
>>52056077
m40 vs m50 circlejerk starts again
m40 has NOBASS
m50 has NIGGERBASS
take your pick and deal with the shitposters, they're going to say you fucked up either way
>>52050273
>flac stream
People sure are fucking retarded.
>>52056142
>>52056168
Just as well are the m40/50x good for walking around? Or just outside use? I don't plan on taking them to the gym or anything but I ride the bus or walk most places and like to listen to music or podcasts while doing so.
Grado headphones. Good or just a made in america meme?
>>52056168
>m40 has NOBASS
They seem to have slightly elevated bass response. What are you on about? Overall I'd consider them slightly V-shaped.
>>52056168
>m40 has NOBASS
said by literally no one
>>52055423
Yeah just say they are broken and you'll get your refund. That is if you bought them yourself.
I currently own the HD598's. Are K702/K712's a genuine step up or a sidestep?
>>52056230
sidestep. they're also nobass but now you have some treble response
>>52056230
they're mid fi purgatory
>>52055818
never even fucking heard of them
thats not a good sign
>>52055465
>smartphone bluetooth
please reconsider
>>52053040
But every review agrees that X2 is balanced just like planar reviews say they have bass. Honestly reviews are in my experience, fyi dt880 is nobass, and x2 is normal while m50 is nigger tier
>>52056453
you have a very wrong and one-dimensional view on bass
>>52056453
you seem to be confused
balanced doesn't mean all three frequency ranges are represented equally
>>52056453
>this entire post
>>52056244
> K702
> nobass
Do people here know about the middle ground between nobass and niggerbass?
>>52056840
Yes, planars are literally the middleground with their flat bass. That middleground isn't rolled off garbage like the AKGs.
>>52056855
lol fuck, im so glad i know more about headphones now. i mean i agree with you, but you massively overstate the importance of non rolled off subbass. it's great, but it is nothing to cry over on literally any headphone, depending on where it starts of course. but the 702 is by no means shitty in where its bass rolls off. its better than most dynamics and thats the important part.
that said, like i said, i agree with you about it sucking, and ill never buy dynamics again. but then again, i have a nice economic standing, and dont have to
going to buy those beyerdynamic t90.
good choice?
>>52056230
AKG are always a step up over Sennheiser
>>52056933
I wish they sounded as good as they look
My betron YSM1000s have broken on me twice now. Just wanna know what's a decent pair of cheap In Ear headphones that I can buy in the UK.
>>52056909
>but you massively overstate the importance of non rolled off subbass
the subbass isnt rolled off. the bass is rolled off causing a lack of subbass.
and you massively underestimate it btw. bass colorations are worse than other colorations
>>52056990
why is it that bass colorations are the worst?
>>52057075
Equal-loudness contour
a 5-6 dB coloration in the subbass is equal to a 10 dB coloration at 1 kHz
>>52048651
SHP9500
are the beyers custom one pro plus good for 150 american dollars?
>>52056179
Nothing?
>>52057105
i see. this is just showing that bass is what were least sensitive to, no? so of all things, you would not want it rolled off? or is there more to it? well im sure theres more to it, but at least for what were talking about
>>52057139
>headphones in public
fucking sperg
>>52056933
>good choice?
nope
>>52056944
nope
>>52056909
>and ill never buy dynamics again
your loss falling into the transducer type meme
>>52056990
>bass colorations are worse than other colorations
nope kek
>>52057105
it doesn't even work like that. because of the lack of sensitivity our ears have for those frequencies, they tend to matter less in the overall to sound signature. it doesn't exponentially make their importance higher. quite the opposite in fact. the range from 2-10khz is the really important part and also a region where most headphones have terribly uneven response. below 30hz gets really rare in music anyway, btw.
>>52057132
they are alright.
>>52057139
i wouldn't wear full sized headphones outside myself but that's just me. full sized open for home, iems for on the go.
>Budget
$100-$200
>Location
US
>Source
Laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear
>Open or closed
Open is better sound?
>Comfort level
Prefer them to be comfy...
>Preferred tonal balance
Middle of the road I guess. I don't really need my headphones to sound like the trunk of a ghetto Caprice.
>Preferred music
Um.. Everything? prog rock, house, dnb, jazz, classical...
>Past headphones
Nothing really, unless you count some $5 JVC gummy buds.
Also I don't know anything really about this stuff. Do I need a DAC/amp? School me /g/.
>>52057205
>your loss falling into the transducer type meme
not him but show me a dynamic with flat bass response down to 15hz ±1dB
>>52057151
it shows that it's harder to pick up at low volumes and that it will be perceived as louder as the SPL goes up.
it's fixed to show increments of 10 dB at 1 kHz. if the lines are closer than 10 dB, colorations will be more noticeable.
>>52057205
>because of the lack of sensitivity our ears have for those frequencies, they tend to matter less in the overall to sound signature.
that has been compensated for in the production of the music.
>below 30hz gets really rare in music anyway, btw.
you can compare it at 30 hz too. shows almost the same thing.
http://www.amazon.ca/Sennheiser-HD-558-Headphones/dp/B004FEEY9A/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1451089987&sr=1-5
Thanks for the help, friends. Sorry if I can off as a dick, I was just frustrated at how terrible this fucking Razer headset was. Please don't talk me out of buying link related.
>>52057238
without eq there isn't and that's not what all planars(which i assume you are referring to here) do either. 15hz is pointless. 20hz makes some sense but above 30hz you get to frequencies generally present in music.
>>52057283
It's going to sound clear as fuck after those Razer gaymen memes for sure. Can't do better for your budget really.
>>52057285
>but above 30hz you get to frequencies generally present in music.
you sennshills really need to stop justifying your shitty purchases with "i don't need to hear below 30hz because my headphones cant go there anyway lol". stop generalizing the needs of others you autistic fucks.
>>52057205
>your loss falling into the transducer type meme
its not that im trying to say dynamics cant do what planars do, its just, you have to spend a lot of money, or sacrifice openness, or another part of the spectrum to attain good subbass in dynamics. and its not like there arent inherent superiority in some aspects of technologies that you cant desire. maybe i dont want to get an amp and have a high output impedance source. planars are agnostic to this essentially, so that would weigh them higher here
>>52057320
this is part of why i said you were emphasizing its importance. for most people, and the price of the k702 compared to something like the k702, its not the end of the world. things are relative man, ignoring this is a good way to remain objective yourself, but not good for making recommendations to people
>>52057341
er woops, in comparison to the 400i (decent subbass planar)
>>52057341
>things are relative man, ignoring this is a good way to remain objective yourself, but not good for making recommendations to people
glad we've established the fact that recommending a single product to somebody is a flawed concept and getting upset when somebody recommends something you don't like is a red flag for autism and just being a faggot in general.
>>52057216
Fidelio X2 (like new)
Be warned though if you get them with Greyish earpads, different wording on the headphones + color of the wording, then you got the revision/european model (not sure yet). There is currently a problem which doesn't allow its earpads to come off unless you physical rip them off because they are super glued on. Try pulling them off, if they don't come off with a push at the earpads back then you may need to return them.
Though it's not like it matters as the sound and overall build quality other than the certain problem should be the same. Earpads appear to be slightly worse though on the new/european model.
>>52057366
its not flawed, its just obviously not perfect. but no human communication is going to be perfect, and we have to deal with that. perhaps youre a nihilist? we have to take everything into account of their post, and the most of our knowledge to make the best recommendation. if im smart, ill realize that most music doesnt go below 30hz, especially if they give me some genres they like to listen to, and if i find subbass isnt present or not important, i wont recommend them the 400i
I have returned!
>>52057436
go away again
>>52057436
are you a starcraft dragoon?
>>52056004
I now think the problem isn't with my headphones exactly, maybe the .mp3 file I was using. Playing the same song from youtube resulted in none of that static sound and I downloaded the song from another source (the original file was converted from flvto/youtube on my laptop then copied onto my phone) which seemed to fix the problem. Rather worringly though I could hear more static with my WS77 than with my shitty cheap earphones for some reason...
As you may of noticed I'm rather new to this stuff so thanks for the help.
>>52057411
The best thing you can do is give them 2-3 recommendations if they are able to go audition them somewhere or alternatively have the money to purchase both and send back the one they don't like (To Amazon, for example)
Even if they listen to certain genres, they still may have different preferences in tonal balance regardless. Plus it's not like they'd necessarily restrict themselves to just those genres, maybe on occasion they'll listen to something else.
>>52057436
>unironically liking vaporwave
nice meme
>>52057445
no
>>52057447
a what now?
>>52057320
>you sennshills
not a single mention of sennheiser or anything related to it in the posts i made. amazing. you truly need to fuck off from these threads. my headphones play below 20hz flat thank you. hell, even the sennheisers i own do after some eq. you seemed to intentionally miss the point by a mile yet again though. i won't bother with your shitposting anymore.
>>52057341
and despite the superior bass response, i haven't seen or heard a single planar or electrostat which sounded or measured better than the best dynamic headphones do. after the frequency response has been corrected by EQ, the transducer type is completely irrelevant to the sound signature. you can say that the best electrostats and planars have lower distortion than dynamic headphones but the audibility of that beyond a certain point is questionable and an area that needs more research to hold any water.
output impedance still matters in planars. electrical damping doesn't magically disappear but the frequency dependent shits in magnitude response mostly do as planars tend to be almost completely resistive loads for the amplifiers.
>>52057436
you switched yuis. at least this yui has brains.
>>52057448
glad you figured it out.
Are Marshall Monitor any good?
>>52057457
i dont think youre the same guy, but again, /this/ is autism, not me. youre worrying about the fringe cases when theres nothing you can do about that. focus on what they tell you; focus on what you know. and make the rec!
>>52057481
do you look like pic related irl?
>>52057493
>my headphones play below 20hz flat thank you. hell, even the sennheisers i own do after some eq
>eqing up subbass on sennheisers with -that- level of bass distortion
kek you're a fucking retard
>frequency dependent shits in magnitude response mostly do as planars tend to be almost completely resistive loads for the amplifiers.
yeah sorry, thats basically what i was getting at
believe me i understand what youre saying. you seem to be arguing about objective bestness (which im not arguing against) and im arguing about relative bestness within a constrained set variables.
>>52057530
heh. some people think the eq is literally the only thing that matters. might as well just get whatevers the cheapest on amazon
>>52057480
>nice meme
isn't it?
>>52057493
>you switched yuis. at least this yui has brains.
did, does.>>52057502
>do you look like pic related irl?
No, I look like pic related irl
>>52057601
>i look like pic related
well, ayano is my favorite from yy, so i guess i can be her. wanna les out n shit?
>>52057593
>heh. some people think the eq is literally the only thing that matters. might as well just get whatevers the cheapest on amazon
surely not me.
>>52057656
if we had names it would be easier to respond
do you have instrumentation to measure your hardware?
Could anyone suggest some for me?
>Budget
Looking to spend £30-60
>Location
UK
>Source
Will be either my laptop or my Nexus 5, so I'd prefer headset controls but they're not completely necessary
>Preferred type of headphone
I'd prefer IEM's but comfy full-sized ones would do
>Open or closed
Closed needed
>Comfort level
I'd like comfortable ones but as long as they're tolerable I don't mind
>Preferred music
I listen to a range from Rock like Foo Fighters/RHCP to things like Alt J/Gorillaz to artists like Adele
>Past headphones
Nearly all IEM's, currently using Soundmagic E10's but I'm looking to upgrade
>>52057690
inb4 "i do it by ear because its more accurate"
>>52057493
>output impedance still matters in planars.
In the sense that it is still an inefficient way to utilize them.
>electrical damping doesn't magically disappear
Lenz's Law/Faraday's Law is still observed, but the effect in the magnitude response and distortion is nil, besides the voltage division.
The damping is not something that matters for a well built planar while worn.
>distortion
Did you see the Listen Inc/Harman study? It seems very likely that a well picked dynamic is already quite sufficient. Key words are well picked
>>52057711
lol. cmon now, i dont think the guy is retarded.
i think theres 3 of us, and currently its us 2 "vs" him, but i dont really know shit about this stuff. not afraid to admit it. i use the opportunity to say some things and then ask a question to get some information. i hate normal research
>>52057748
... why not? you dont like ayano?
>>52057760
>well picked
exactly. people are having a hard time understanding the whole relative thing
>>52057794
>you dont like ayano?
I do
>>52057838
perfect. i fail to understand the source of disdain then. /im/ supposed to be the tsundere here. why are you saying no?
>>52057690
>>52057711
instruments to do what exactly? i could measure some outputs but i don't have microphones. i intend to get those for speakers but they will not help me to create accurate eq presets for headphones which are indeed best equalized by ear once you know what you are doing and spend some time with it. there isn't a pair of headphones which wouldn't benefit from eq hence my advice for everyone is to learn to use it properly.
>>52057760
if you mean the paper about audibility of distortion in headphones with mdr v600 being the worst? yes i read it.
>>52057895
>which are indeed best equalized by ear once you know what you are doing and spend some time with it
Man you really are delusional as fuck.
>hence my advice for everyone is to learn to use it properly.
You first.
>>52057869
Because you are probably a fat neckbeard with expensive headphones
>>52057934
... how did you know???????
The Seiun Player look interesting. Has anyone tried buying anything from Indiegogo? Do they provide package tracking?
>>52057926
>Man you really are delusional as fuck.
do tell
in-ear mics generally have limited bandwidth within our hearing spectrum and poor snr. the real problem lies in the unique transfer function you'd need to do for individual ears though. even if you manage to compensate it properly, sharper resonances in treble still can't be accurately equalized using measurements alone and the lack of extension and the poor snr can cloud and limit the results. a more general purpose ear couplers can pass the bandwidth and snr issues but can't hope to match accuracy on the frequency response for your ears.
>You first.
sine sweeps like you've probably already read. get familiar of how parametric filters work and get a good program to do it like equalizer apo. for the more colored regions you just use a more narrow spectrum for the sweep to get it just right. sinegen is very helpful at nailing the filters on the exact frequencies even if there is a very sharp resonance in question.
>>52058151
>in-ear mics
???
Nobody uses these for headphone measurements, why would they use them for calibration of headphones? Do you always keep this fuckawful argument tucked away for when someone calls you out on using your shitty hearing for EQing headphones?
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