AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Linus on networking or server stuff
>His 20TB storage server using consumer SSDs died
>during a backup
>>52029827
It's like you should take everything he says with a grain of salt. He's one of those guys that very good at talking out their ass.
>>52029827
They weren't consumer SSDs
>>52029827
>>His 20TB storage server using consumer SSDs died
Who the fuck use SSD for storage purpose
What a retard
>>52029827
How do you actually compensate a RAID card failure?
An offsite backup won't help you much there.
(A legit question)
>>52029881
don't buy shitty raid cards that store the raid config in the card, but on the array
that way you can find the same card and put it in
>>52029881
Depends on the card, you may be able to replace it with the same model, or you may be completely fucked
>>52029860
of course they were
>>52029881
use mdadm
>>52029881
Not much. Shit happens.
Mirroring to multiple servers in the first place might help.
Although good and properly set up RAID cards don't fail that often.
Knowing Linus, he probably fucked up somewhere.
The only reason to watch LTT is for Luke anyway.
>>52029881
Keep a spare card. Or use a software RAID.
>>52029994
>Knowing Linus, he probably fucked up somewhere.
I don't understand how someone can be so fucking incompetent.
>>52030015
>tfw no qt3.14 French Canadian to talk about tech with
Such is life
>>52030015
He's fat as fuck now.
>>52030021
Because he's not a tech guy at all really. He was literally a sales manager for a company that happened to sell computer parts. That's his entire background in technology. His Youtube channel started as him unboxing stuff in the NCIX stock room in order to shill it to you as part of his job.
>>52029864
People with the cash to use SSD's for storage?
Get some money retard
It irritates me seeing Linus doing his shit.
He really doesn't know all that much about anything.
He has like $50,000+ worth of equipment to basically just shill.
>>52029864
they're faster and actually more reliable than HDDs. only downside is the cost, which doesn't matter when you get them for free.
>>52029860
If they're made by Kingston it doesn't even matter.
>>52030052
>>52030057
Easy life though.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pfezprr.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
What happened to crazy russian?
>>52030052
And yet he knows more than me ;-;
>THEY FELL FOR NAND SSD MEME
HDD ULTRA RELIABLE MASTER RACE
>>52029827
>20 TBs worth of kingston SSDs
>wonders why it fails
Typical Linus. Finally the shilling blew up in his face.
>>52030087
<citation needed>
>>52030101
Kingstons are slow, not failure prone.
I have 5 kingstons and 0 of them have failed.
>mfw all the assblasted fat unemployed neckbeard virgins herd crying about sokeone who made a company, is famous and gets to play with all the freat toys
Such is the life kiddo, someday you'll understand.
>>52029898
They were LSI cards bruh...
>>52030068
> more reliable
You aren't serious are you?
>>52030121
linus i know you lurk on /g/ so if you're reading this you little twink faggot, hire me and i'll rebuild your it for you
>>52030054
SSDs are not for that fucking kind of storage, you dipshit.
>>52030120
>5 drives
>this is the benchmark for the millions that kingston produces
okay m8
Lmao i remember him doing an ad for those ssds in his other videos, it was like "those ssds are so reliable we used it on our server!"
you felt the need to make a post for a youtuber, good job op
>>52030158
kek
Don't care enough to watch it, was it an SSD fuck up or RAID card fuck up?
>>52030158
he used kingston, didn't he. only the review models were good
it wasn't the SSDs, but the raid controller.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-p3700-series.html
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-s3710-series.html
>Not using Intel enterprise SSD
Linus asked for it
>>52030142
Nah sorry man I'm too busy banging Luke
>>52030218
Then SSD haters proved themeselves retarded as usual.
>>52030197
>RAID card fucked up
at least that is what it sounds like but he is also replacing all of the SSD's in there? Which is weird if nothing is wrong with the SSD's.
Also
>windows server 2012
>vm on centos
>too retarded to configure centos
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8550/samsung-acknowledges-the-ssd-840-evo-read-performance-bug-fix-is-on-the-way
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4625/intel-testing-firmware-fix-for-ssd-320-8mb-power-bug
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4604/the-sandforce-roundup-corsair-patriot-ocz-owc-memoright-ssds-compared/2
>SSD MEME
NOT EVEN ONCE
>>52030151
This is kinda true.
When the ssd meme was suckling, it wasn't intended for mass storage.
It was intended to make OSs and/or programs install on faster medium
>>52030267
one samshit link and two links from 2011, wow, it's nothing
>>52030015
It's almost infuriating how much they cater to their immature 13 year old audience and TechSyndicate never seem to upload videos
>>52030054
He didn't buy them
Literally 90% of all the gear in their office was given to them by various companies
Every single work computer is all from donated parts, even down to the headphones
>>52030352
I watched the peripheral video. It was hilarious how half his stuff didn't want the stupid gaymen peripherals he was given but they shilled it anyway
>>52030138
Server grade SSDs are, especially the SAS ones. Consumer SSDs are still a joke for reliability.
It could be worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLXJQNuZ1JI
>special snowflake architecture
>not just buying an off the shelf server from Supermicro/HP/Dell
>terrible cable management in his rack
>building a custom rack mounted gaming computer
He should stick to desktop hardware. This try-hard enterprise stuff is just embarrassing.
>>52030138
Lol. Are you dumb? The best ssds now have like 10 times the lifespan of a mechanical disk
>Seagate
Am I the only one finding this funny
>>52030151
SSDs are storage devices. Period.
The "kind" of storage is absolutely irrelevant.
>>52030138
HDDs have way more random failures
SSDs basically only die because of wear, which is completely predictable and can be monitored
>>52029881
Software raid.
In the past, when CPU power was relatively expensive, it made sense to offload disk management to a raid card.
But today, you could raid dozens and dozens of hard disks and it won't put a dent in the CPU capabilities.
These days, motherboards come with a dozen SATA ports, there is literally no reason to buy a raid card anymore.
>>52030468
>There often isn't time to ask for advice when you have video deadlines to make. Trial and error is sometimes the only execution strategy that's feasible solely due to time constraints.
>fuck up
>takes more time to fix it than to just ask your forum users how to set it up properly
>>52030555
this. the only hardware you need for a raid is maybe an extension card if you need more ports.
>>52030498
>he fell for the Backblaze meme
Seagate coughed up their protection money anyway, so it's officially WD hard drives that are trash to be avoided now.
>>52029881
>An offsite backup won't help you much there.
Actually, yes it will. A RAID is not a backup solution in itself, it's just to compensate for the MTBF of disks.
You need off-site backups for anything important, i.e. a RAID at another site.
>>52030596
>HGST
>Abbreviation of "hitachi global storage technologies"
>a subsidiary of Western Digital
Confusing as fuck.
So basically WD brand is the consumer tier stuff and the HGST is the high quality shit?
>>52030473
>>52030522
>>52030436
Good goys.
>>52030688
No, they are two separate companies altogether.
>backup
Why isn't Linus just backing up to the cloud????
It's sooooo convenient and paperless
>>52030748
what cloud?
wtf is the cloud?
>>52030643
Do thosse backups need backups?
Is it backups all the way down?
>>52030576
>Trial and error is sometimes the only execution strategy that's feasible solely due to time constraints.
So he wastes his time hand-building servers, when he could just buy reference architecture X from server vendor Y; and then complains that he doesn't have time to do things properly.
>>52030688
Western Digital own HGST, but it operates as a completely indepdent entity, designing its own products completely seperate from WD's own range.
>>52030781
he hasn't sucked enough vendor cock to get free products yet anon
give it some time before he'll start shilling gear
>>52029827
>storage server using consumer SSDs died
Perfectly irrelevant when a RAID card fails.
Did you even watch the video? Seriously?
>>52030720
Does anyone have the link to the jewtube video of the failure? Linus, being a tard always gives me a good chuckle.
how did /g/ went to shit so bad?
>>52031150
Never mind, found it.
>>52030057
>He really doesn't know all that much about anything.
Neither do you though, and we read your shit all the time.
Linus is a computer enthusiast (i.e., 99% of /g/), not a assembly code enthusiast. He is the car repairman, not the car maker.
>>52030643
I just meant that you will still lose everything between the last backup and the current operating state with an offsite backup.
It's still better than losing everything of course. But I wanted to know whether a full recovery is possible in such a case
>>52030072
>amd logo on shirt
holy fuck when was the last time they did an amd build
>>52030068
If you use the same SSDs for Raid when they fail all will fail within the same week.
More like linux kek shits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXvmKkhINQw
Kills the mobo 3 times.
>>52030576
and now you get to make a video about your fuck up/fix!
>linus is entertainment, not information
I wonder how quickly (if at all) do their view drops off once a video is released ? that might explain their need to pump out retarded videos so frequently.
>>52031180
>1 reply 2009
>nvm solved it
RAID isn't in any way related to a backup of data. Just throwing that out there.
>>52029827
>SSDs
http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-we-learned-about-ssds-in-2015/
>>52029881
don't use hardware raid like a nigger
>>52029864
For big enterprise applications they are actually more common than you might think.
Big arrays of SSDs are basically used as fast storage.
>>52030757
cloud is just another word for "someone else's computer"
>>52030068
>>52030436
>>52030473
>actually more reliable than HDDs
Not in a workplace environment. The adoption rate is coming to a grinding halt until better technology arrives that can address the durability problem.
>>52032465
only for the average person
you can make you own cloud systems, with your own computers
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWPM_cKN-6U
>Windows Server
>Beyond Compare
>no software raid
kek
>>52030016
>software raid
but the server was supposed to be fast
>>52032499
SSDs are a good idea for laptops desu
>>52030333
>>cater to their immature 13 year old audience
Trips of Truth.
TechSyndicates audience is 18-30, so they dont really mind if their videos only come out once and a while and their an hour long that you can listen to it at work.
>>52032623
I'm sure the network speed alone is already a huge bottleneck with such a setup. Two consumer SSDs can saturate a 10 GBit connection. Software RAID won't slow it down below that.
>>52029827
i've never seen this retard put together a computer that didn't a) just straight up not work, b) crashed during any stress test or c) looked like something out of a Discovery scrapyard car show.
the guy is a meme.
>>52031294
There is something called acceptable data loss anything can happen you can't plan for it all
The RAID card failed not the SSDs themselves I think.
>make server out of SSDs
>storage devices that are the worst at longer term storage, or main server storage purposes, due to the nature of how they store information
>devices that anyone with a brain uses mainly for caching due to their speed, or as boot devices, but never use them as main storage or in situations where there is massive data exchange (like RSS feed archiving for example) which destroys their life due to the cell cycle limit
Is he a fucking idiot? There is a good reason all fucking servers in this world stick to mainly using them as caching, and use HDDs as main drives.
I know Linus is all hard on the idea of SSDs replacing HDDs,
but the idiot doesn't even know the basic physics behind why HDDs have a good few years of shelf life OFF-LINE (as in, the data takes quite a time to start deteriorating on the platters, if you manage the moisture and environment properly, without ever turning the HDD on), while SSDs need a charge every month or so. Though this point is irrelevant to the situation of servers, and mainly oriented towards long-term storage situations.
>>52030519
Then why does virtually every big company use magnetic tapes for big storage?
y no ssd lel porfig xd
>>52030519
>The "kind" of storage is absolutely irrelevant.
When you install an RSS or web scraping program on your SSD, and it bricks out within a year,
you'll start thinking differently.
HDDs need a hardware problem to fuck up, and then it hardly affects neighboring drives due to parity solutions.
SSDs only need a software bug/firmware fuckup to go all to hell, and even a single RAID card will fuck them all up, and it will affect all SSDs.
SSDs sacrifice a lot of things for speed and potential memory size, while there are more important traits and attributes to think about than these main 2 ones. Just like a CPUs performance isn't by any means dependent on merely the core number and clock rate advertised.
>>52029827
>people actually listen to this jackass
This is why Wendell is the only one of a very very scant few valid sources of tech education and info on YouTube.
When you give him a retarded tech project with hardware, he knows where the limits are and is educated in the physics and math behind it.
When you leave such things to a bunch of label reading idiots like the LinusTechTips crew, who don't even know how to run Linux, let alone educate themselves on the intricacies of hardware on a level requiring physics and mathematical education, this is the result.
>there are still people that think HDD's have a reason for existing
>>52030596
Damn I bought a WD drive and it failed after a year along with a terabyte of chinese cartoons and vidya
tech support was nice enough. Managed to get them to pay for a data recovery
>>52033632
Quain is pretty cool as well
>>52033354
Some probably do but he's just an entertainer which is why is fanbase consists of smart phone using 12-14 year olds who've never touched a PC in their life. Being the Pewdiepie clown of tech will earn you a lot of views.
>We have 4 1TB ssd's so now we don't rely on spinning discs at al!
fucking reviewfags
so how long until his new server dies ? seems like only a matter of time due to incompetence.
>>52034763
The moment a bug happens in the firmware of one of the SSDs, the power goes out, the PSU fucks up or the RAID card fucks up again,
it shall all blow up.
Then again, depending on the usage that SSD server won't even last a fraction of what an HDD server would before requiring the replacement of the SSDs due to wear.
>>52030576
What deadlines? the twat is self employed
>>52030052
At least the unboxings were useful. I didn't even care about what he said, I watched them to see what I was going to get along the main product (adapters, screw sets, etc.).
>>52030015
Luke secretly cucks Linus.
>>52030555
Just use ZFS
>>52030576
oh yea that Nick always seemed like a bit of a tight arse on camera. Not too surprised he's doing damage control
>>52035128
nVidia says he has to make 20 shill videos a month and he risks losing the office if he doesn't because nVidia are paying for the lease
>>52029881
use 2 cards at once for redundancy
>>52033632
Linus says he does know how to use Linux, but he has some sort of sekrit special way of backing up his files and he needs it to be stable so he NEEDS to use windows
>>52032564
>using btrfs for anything critical
>>52030473
no, they are 'rated' to write enough data for that long.
and unlike what retards like to believe, when the ssd dies and goes into 'read-only' mode (which not every drive will do), it will only be readable for as long as its powered on. if you have to reboot the machine or anything, as soon as power is cut to that 'read only' ssd, the data is gone
>>52029827
wtf do they backup?
>>52035368
furry porn
>>52035368
B-Roll
>>52029864
>Who the fuck use SSD for storage purpose
Then how am I supposed to use a storage unit?
>>52033080
>implying it was a drive failure and not a RAID card failure
>>52030015
Luke's actually really bad though. He's a tremendous douchebag and asshole and it shows sometimes in their live stream. Also he's SJW as fuck, and probably a dick off camera too.
Nicky V the best though
What happened to Logan from Tek Syndicate? He went from a major qt to a neckbeard guy whos its around complaining about things a lot.
Did he start coming to /g/ several years ago?
>THEY FELL FOR THE NAND SSD MEME
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9541/intel-announces-optane-storage-brand-for-3d-xpoint-products
>>52035524
A RAID card failure wouldn't fuck up HDDs, but it will SSDs.
>>52035557
Why? Tell me. I don't know anything.
Why did they use RAID 5 instead of RAID 10?
>>52035563
HDDs have mechanical input of information, which means the magnetic particles holding the information define the binary values by the direction they face (magnetic domain).
If the platters are left alone, nothing happens. If power to the reader-arm is off, nothing happens.
If a RAID Card fucks up, there is no influence from an electrical standpoint, and the arm in the HDDs will stop working and thus there will be no change in the platters. You can still retain the data in the electrical case with special equipment.
SSDs depend much more highly on firmware and software.
They also store information as charges, and due to the fast speed and the way they store information, there is no way to "stop an arm from fucking up the info on the platter", and once an electrical problem occurs, the charges that make up the information will go fucked in an SSD.
Once something is fucked with SSDs, there is no going back with the info. Everything is purged.
>>52035644
bullshit
>>52036521
I guess every business, down to the riches of them all, in this world that uses SSDs only as caching support,
are all bullshit then.
You won't find an SSD server room anywhere on this planet where there is an actual reputable business operating it.
Only in homes of retards like Linus who don't know the difference between an SSD and HDD.
>>52029827
He has the tech knowledge of a Wal mart employee
I used to enjoy this guy's videos, and then I noticed that he's just paid to promote whatever and that he actually knows very little about the shit he's reviewing. Who's the best tech YouTuber according to /g/?
>>52036633
/g/ hates them all. I'm semi-partial to jayztwocents if only because he did go back and redo a vid after basically fucking the first one up (its his 8gb 290x vids).
>>52036671
Yeah I can't tell if jayztwocents is cool. I can't stand the meme tech that those guys promote, I hate seeing little kids blow all their money on shit that has cool LED's and "gaming" on it and they're the pioneers of that disease.
>>52033354
I long ago stopped listening to him, about when he introduced embedded ads into his videos for dat fake cash for his fake company.
I'm almost starting to think he bricks his servers on purpose so he can get Kingston, Seagate, Corsair, Coolermaster or whatever to send him $5000 worth of equipment and make a new video about it.
I mean, I only look at his videos nowadays for the cringe/shock factor.
Like stubbornly using Windows server for everything, using btrfs for a backup server
>Previous videos have been sponsored by unRAID, but this one isn't
THE FACT THAT HE EVEN HAD TO SAY THIS LMAO
Which means he officially admitted to the whole "2 pcs one tower" video being one big unRAID advertisement
Or spending three videos bricking motherboards to use for a fucking pfSense router
I use a ZFS Z2 Raid with 8 HDDs for ~20 TB net capacity.
>>52030333
Tek Syndicate is shit though. Everyone is edgy as fuck with exception of Wendell
>>52032170
yeah, but tiered with mechanical disk and then tape backup.
xtremio and solidfire are a thing but don't have the cost efficiency to provide the backbone for large enterprises
>>52029859
the only thing coming out of his ass other than shit is a lot of twinks cum
>>52036633
Linus is very knowledgeable, as evidenced by his large fanbase, expansive and growing operation, and elaborate server set ups. Having the RAID card fail is an act of God, nothing could have been done. /g/'s just jealous that I have so much success.
>>52037376
>that I have
kek
>>52032499
SLC SSDs don't have durability issues, they can easily last >20 years.
>>52030041
He acts as a fluffer to get free gear for Linus Media Group
>>52035543
His head used to be a lot smaller.
How can persons head get so swollen?
>>52036893
>Like stubbornly using Windows server for everything, using btrfs for a backup server
Windows server is one of the easiest server OS's you can use for home businesses and small businesses alike
>>52037376
No, I'm just loling at the failing of backups and shit.
Plus I'm pretty sure you're a faggot.
An amusing faggot, but that's it.
>>52037622
That doesn't explain his stupidity over using btrfs.
>>52037635
I honestly think he does it to himself
these types of servers don't just magically crash in as little as a few months or even a year.
>>52037636
you're right it doesn't, I seriously think he does it to himself
>>52029864
If you store your OS on it then it's being used for storage you autistic fuck.
>>52037515
He's gotten fat basically
I don't watch Tek regularly, maybe twice a year. But every time I watch a new video he looks fatter than the last one.
Not trying to be mean or anything, he really should pay more attention to his health.
You youtube plebs are in for a hilariously stupid treat in 4 more days
>>52037705
Why not just record it and put it on Liveleak or something, watch him get pissy about "piracy".
It's always funny seeing phonies flip their shit about piracy.
>>52037986
It's not really worth the time to "leak" a stupid video that's going to be public in a couple days anyway
>>52037986
They won't care. If anyone will care it will be Vessel.
>>52037681
..are.. are you saying if i lost weight my face would be less fat too?!
>>52029881
I don't get how a RAID card failure fucked the whole array.
Worst case you should be able to replace it with a new card and import foreign config.
>>52030688
You and >>52030784 and >>52030744 are all correct.
WD and HGST operate separately, but HGST makes the good stuff.
>>52036581
They use SSDs for caching because that's far more cost-effective when you need large amounts of storage.
>>52030776
Depends on your strategy.
If you're big enough to worry about one backup site failing, it won't be your decision regardless. Executives find much more value in your data than you do.
And Linus isn't big enough to worry about his own site failing. He fails it himself, offsite backups won't do shit if he screws it up himself.
>>52030015
>Luke
>Not Dennis and Nick
>>52038414
CATASTROPHIC FAILURE
I dunno, they're going to be releasing videos detailing what happened, maybe why and what they're doing to prevent the same sometime soon.
>>52038461
Whats a rough HGST equivalent to a WD blue? HGST has 3 or 4 different "-star" catagories
>>52038890
WD red
>>52038890
Blue would probably be deskstar.
Travelstar = 2.5" laptop drive
Deskstar = Consumer 3.5" drive
Ultrastar = Enterprise 3.5" drive
Ultrastar He, Ultrastar Archive = Enterprise Archive drives
Everything else = don't worry about it.
Also https://www.hgst.com/products/hard-drives
>>52038874
Only things I can imagine are PSU failure or power surge.
>>52038935
Thank you very much!
>>52038938
Their UPS would have protected against both.
>>52038938
I'm thinking firmware bugs in the RAID card.
>>52039149
Surely someone that technically adept wouldn't think RAID is a backup, right?
>>52039198
RAID itself isn't a backup.
The server was the backup, it was utilizing RAID.
>>52039213
>They used SSDs for 20TB of backups, where the speeds don't even matter a ton
Simply amazing
>>52030519
LMAO okay faggot then install all your OS and data on flash drives and tapes since they're the best value per GB at the moment and 'storage is storage'
>>52030015
>>52030015
the other night i had a dream that me and Luke where racing porches and then I jerked him off. at first he was into it then he then called me a fagot and used this to blackmail me.
>>52039407
DAMNIT LINUS.
>>52038481
HAHAHAHAHA... god damn you're fucking retarded
>>52032499
Nigger what. Cost/GB is literally the only reason my employer isn't on 100% SSDs for our servers.
>>52032623
Software RAID on Linux and FreeBSD outperforms hardware RAID on modern hardware, and of course ZFS is optimized for direct disk access.
>>52029827
he probably got them for free tho
