They're deleting all posts that criticize Mozilla's decisions now. Being against them makes you a "troll" and you're intantbanned.
>We've closed this thread to new accounts because of trolls.
> If you have a new account and want to comment here, you're welcome to email us at [email protected].
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10773646
>>52010635
Fag
>>52010635
>Imagine taking C++ pros who advised in the creation of W3C/IEEE/etc drafts, and tossing them out in favor of node.js programmers.
He's not wrong.
How is it SJW to argue in favor of locking down the extension protocol for Firefox?
They're deadset on copying every one of Chrome's features and getting rid of every unique feature that Firefox ever had, but how is that SJW?
>>52010733
>blanket censorship of comments
anytime I see blanket censorship of a discussion online it's painfully obvious what's happened
>>52010733
The SJW guys in charge of Firefox are now more concerned about throwing "awareness" parties around the world, having gold ceiling at their Paris offices and spending $15000 on a regex to remove "slave" from its source code than actually improving it.
It's also part of the SJW mentality to completely censor criticism.
>>52010733
In regards to censoring discussion of an increasingly prevalent problem in the software industry. That is, people who don't code making decisions about code, and how commonplace that mindset is at Mozilla.
>>52010764
are they actually spending $15k on a regular expression to find/replace slave?
>>52010635
To be fair, the worst anti-Mozilla shitposter in that thread was legitimately autistic. I don't see the problem.
>>52010785
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/10/mozilla-open-source-support-first-awards-made/
First entry.
>>52010800
which one was the autistic one?
I can't tell from the context of your post.
>>52010826
The one "correcting" the other guy's joke. He was also going around posting the usual conspiracy theories in a matter-of-factly tone in response to completely unrelated shit and generally sperging out (those comments have been removed since).
>>52010811
Wow amazing, went through pages of their docs and struggled to find their reason for doing this.
If this is where Mozilla is heading along with just making everything more complex than it needs to be, good luck to them. They will literally get nothing done while Chrome pull way ahead.
>>52010897
Fuck you and lick my dick
>>52010888
>being this cuck'd
>>52010800
>C++ a crutch for assembly
the person who said this may actually have a job as a programmer or software engineer, think about that for a minute
>>52010733
this
>>52010811
this
The worst are the people that go "hm yeah let them if they want to" without speaking up against this shit
There is currently a movement going on which prioritizes bullshit "diversity" (in the end, they are simply throwing money at attention whores and fake victims) over good technology.
To those that are ok with this: Have fun being called a "troll" in the future if you dare to criticise women/non-white people in any way.
> "I'm sorry but this piece of software/technology could be improved like this"
> "STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU RACIST TROLL!!"
On top of that, like already said, Mozilla is throwing more and more money out of the window for total bullshit, I would not be mad if they were actually doing diversity stuff that made at least SOME goddamn sense...
>>52010957
wow you're that mad that you can't even be original, what happened to you in your life? did they say mean things to you in school?
wait a minute, are they seriously replacing the entire codebase of firefox with node.js code?
>>52010909
Wealthy white American females in their 20s and 30s who majored in gender studies have decided that using the words "master" and "slave" is offensive. That's the only reason for that change.
>>52010800
>C++ a crutch for assembly
>Your automobile is a crutch compared to a unicycle.
>>52010983
That's insanity if that really is the case. I mean even if I agreed with the change (which I think is stupid personally) you'd have to be a lunatic to think it was worth the cost/effort and manpower to do that.
$15k, what, fucking, planet, am, i, living, on
>>52010966
Wut. Yes? Why would that make him wrong? If anything it's the opposite.
>>52011021
it's corruption, plain and simple
why is this so difficult to understand?
They're bleeding the foundation dry, in plain sight.
>>52011012
Read the quote first, senpai. That's exactly the point he's making.
>>52010983
This anon summing up the truth
One day virtue-signally crybulling will die.
>>52011047
Say that to my face, fucker, not online and see what happens.
We are living in an age where disagreeing with people and criticizing them is considered "cyberbullying" now.
This notion is actually being taught and reinforced in schools now.
I can't wait for the future.
who /chromium/ here?
>>52011082
>no proprietary codecs
>literally cannot browse porn sites or streaming anime sites
no thanks
>>52011094
>streaming anime
>>52011073
In my country SJW types also promote all kinds of irrationality: they're anti-GMOs (because "it's not natural"), anti-atheism (if you question religious belief, you're a "neckbeard troll"), if you criticise the ruling corrupt government you're a "reactionary elitist" (even if you are poor)... some are even anti-vaccines.
>>52011094
If you like cartoons, look up kisscartoon and kissanime. They have HD HTML5 streams that require no codecs of plugins. To bypass their antiadblocker, right-click on the video and pick the "view video" option of the context menu.
>>52010635
So you're gObO in that thread right? It's really embarrassing to see people talk like 4channers on HN. If you think that's in any way acceptable, you probably need to take a break from both sites.
>>52011193
>cartoons
stop that
>>52011214
Do you think it's acceptable to change the way you talk just to please SJWs? Will you also start using their custom pronouns of choice?
>remember first using mozilla firefox
>fast stable, clean, blew ie out of the water
I don't want the dream to d-d-die /g/
why did this have to happen?
>>52010733
>How is it SJW to argue in favor of locking down the extension protocol for Firefox?
Because trying to control what you do and think is what they do. Removing the config option is user hostile and is only about controlling what extensions your allowed to install.
>>52011257
>why can't I be an idiot everywhere?
Grow up. Or be banned from sites that demand a certain level of discourse.
>>52011280
Ugh, yeah, HN requires, like, a level of discourse like this. Shame on you misogynists. Sighhhh.
>>52011214
>channers
Fuck off back to reddit if you think talking like a redditor on 4chan is acceptable. You probably need to take a break from sucking too many cocks.
>>52011257
That's obviously not what I'm talking about. I don't think it's acceptable to drop /g/ meme buzzwords like 'shilling' and 'open sores' outside of /g/. HN is actually pretty "anti-SJW" at times. You can have a reasoned discussion about the harm that people cause in the name of social justice if you frame it right. Not that WebExtensions have anything to do with SJWs. It's another /g/ meme to lump together disjoint groups of people you hate to spew ad-hominem over them instead of arguing like an adult.
>>52011342
>us 4channers amirite
>we're a super seekret club xD xD
>we're not reddit xD
>>52011369
>us HN users, so mature
>muh high level of discourse
>we're so above those "4channers" look at me I love sucking PC cock
>>52010764
>"raising awareness"
>code for "doing nothing and complaining while avoiding all criticism and offering stupid, unfair, or no solutions whatsoever"
>>52011024
because assembly is low level af vs C++ which is high level.
Using a high level language because you can't understand another high level language makes no sense unless there's added functionality.
Maybe there's a library or two that Rust has that C++ doesn't, but I guarantee you there's a plethora of libraries that Rust doesn't have that C++ does, which just limits what you can come up with until you say "oh we're going to need cpp for that"
>>52011416
>he fell for the 4chan meme
>>52011442
Or you take the initiative and either port the C++ library to Rust or write a library that does what you need, and improve the Rust ecosystem.
That's the kind of thing I'd expect from programmers getting into a fledgling language, not jumping ship at the first sign of having to DIY.
>>52011416
Talk like a tinfoil /pol/tard, get treated like a tinfoil /pol/tard.
Since you are a tinfoil /pol/tard, get used to it.
>>52011483
>boy who cried /pol/
>e-everything I don't like is from /pol/!
Please stop, you're just making yourself look like a massive retard.
>>52011280
>be banned from gentlemanly sites that demand a certain level of gentlemanly discourse
>m'lady
pull your head out of your ass, it's fine to have shit like blackpeopletwitter but white people have to talk like fedora wearing nerds? cmon
NUKE MOZILLA
Seriously, what the FUCK are they doing? $15000 to remove slave to please people who won't see that code anyway? Fucking up extensions? The fuck is this shit.
>>52011510
Go cry somewhere else. Not technology.
>>52010635
>They're deleting all posts that criticize Mozilla's decisions now.
>Read the thread
>see no criticizing, only crying
fuck off, no one cares about your open sores bullshit.
Meh
I stopped paying attention to all that shit so long ago
It's time for edge
>>52011513
just stop complaining and join the rest of the world on chrome
nobody uses firefox except for neckbeards anyway
and now neckbeards have even less reason to use it now that they're stripping out all the neckbeard friendly features
>>52011280
Seriously, this. You red-pill faggots still have soylent news to spew in. HN is for adults.
>>52011510
>, it's fine to have shit like blackpeopletwitter but white people have to talk like fedora wearing nerds? cmon
What? In what word is DJ Khaled making regular posts to HN? Are you retarded? Do you think if some nigger started posting Twitter Ebonics on HN it would be accepted? What is your argument here? Are you not aware that there is a time and etiquette for places?
>>52011369
>"if you frame it right"
how about an open discussion instead or is that too hard for bleeding heart far left liberals to understand?
>ad-hominem
>not arguing like a mature adult like myself
fuck right off
you know something not everyone in the world is going to speak/talk the way you'd like them to, not everyone is going to be on your pseudo intellectual circle jerk reddit maymay level
you know what the answer is, listen to the message, not the delivery you fucking tool
>>52011513
>I demand answers from a company that has charged my literally nothing to use their software.
If you a problem, fork it, other than that, shut the fuck up.
>>52011556
yes, some people are inherently trash. Stormfront's forums are where they belong, not HN.
>>52011528
>I'm so assblasted on the internet because people refuse to talk the way I want them to
This is exactly what Political Correctness is. Even if you're not a SJW, you're being a massive faggot just by enforcing PC.
>>52011545
>HN is for adults.
Ahahahahahaha, that's fucking rich. You claim to be adults but you have to censor shit you don't like, like a child.
>>52011566
I'd charge nothing to shit on your face.
>>52011582
2edgy4me
>>52010635
>
Why don't you just fork it, make a new logo, and then abandon your fork as you're unable to contribute in any way whatsoever?
Then demand your money back!
>>52011513
The 15k is for more then that dipshit. They just put that in there for SJW brownie points.
>>52011554
Yeh actually I think someone could pull it off.
Yeh actually if it was framed as #POC and #blackpplprogramming or some shit they could say w/e the fuck they liked. A "safe space" would be made for them.
>>52011603
Why not put one billion then? :^)
>>52011566
no ones demanding answers it's just fucking hilariously sad, a few people's jobs went missing but oh well
>>52011569
so when the trash start getting awarded $15k for a ridiculous job you see no problem with that? but you see a problem with someone using questionable language on an internet fucking message board
solid priorities there
>>52011573
>MUH FREEZE PEACH
Yeah fuck off, kid. Shitposting has a place (4chan) and HN isn't that place.
>>52011647
>HN isn't that place
I want shills to go. HN is just glorified reddit.
>>52011528
>in b4 navy seal
uhh make me?
>>52011644
>so when the trash start getting awarded $15k for a ridiculous job
Show me proof that redpill scum are being awarded $15k for anything and I'll join you in your outrage.
Until you do that, I maintain that HN has literally done nothing wrong.
Why not just bring up the issues on the actual developer mailing list where you frequently discuss code and software design with other Mozilla developers? There they're aware of your past accomplishments and will take you far more seriously.
>>52011658
I want scumbags to go. 4chan is just stormfront with training wheels.
>>52011647
>mocking freedom of speech
I'm glad that you at least admit you can't handle other people's opinions like an adult and wish to silence all your dissenters like a child plugging his ears (or in this case plugging everyone else's mouths).
>Yeah fuck off, kid
>kid
*tip*
>>52011556
>open discussion
Spouting memes is not the beginning of open discussion. It's trolling. "If I'm just spam enough stupidity I can monopolize the discussion! You have to put more effort into an intelligent reply than I do my canned responses, so you'll give responding to me eventually. That means I win!"
Removing the trolls ensures no one wastes their time feeding them.
>>52011676
We're talking about HN there, remember?
>>52011442
It's not that people don't understand C++. Types are meant to prevent you from writing "obviously incorrect" programs. A C++ programmer will always make mistakes, regardless of skill. A posteriori it often is not hard to see that these are obviously mistakes, but why not have the type system prevent you from writing them in the first place? This is the same sort of restriction that happens in a typed low-level language like C or C++ vs assembly. It might look like a crutch if you're used to the old ways, but all it does is act as an extra failsafe in the odd case where you get a brainfart.
Obviously, C-like languages also give you all sorts of useful abstractions that aren't available in assembly, but that's not the point he's making here. (And besides, Rust has some modern abstractions that don't exist in C++).
Not that I care if you use it for your own projects, but anyone who's old enough to remember the memory leaks in Gecko should appreciate them finally using a language that completely prevents this. Plus, it's using some pretty neat results from mathematical logic and type theory under the hood, which is cool.
>>52011665
>right wing assholes
>accomplishments
top kek
>reading "hacker news"
>>52011573
>muh gaymergate!
Please go to the kiddie chan.
>>52011685
Take your partisanship and fuck off from anything tech related with it. Both wings are retarded in their own ways but this leftist insistence on changing tech "for progress" is the fucking cancer of all cancers.
>>52011677
Get it right, I'm not mocking free speech; I'm mocking the way red pill scumlords whine and cry about FREEZE PEACH any time that they're not allowed to ruin an adult conversation with their shitposting.
Stick to 4chan, stick to cripp chan, stick to stormfront. It's where scum like you belong.
>>52011659
>le 2009 memes face
>>52011691
You've got some massive projection issues if you think any of that post had anything to do with gamer gate.
>>52011703
You're so far up the right-wing's ass you'll never see daylight again. Eat shit with your false equivalency.
>>52011719
So you are a gamergater.
>>52011662
>any comedian who has ever made a vaguely non PC joke and made > 15k for it
>here you are getting salty over some mildly incorrect language on the internet
A lack of a sense of humour is not an indicator of maturity/professionalism or even an adult.
It's entirely the opposite usually.
>>52011720
I don't want any politics AT ALL so we don't have to even have these kinds of threads, but you retards don't realize how much of a monster the political pendulum swing has made this fashionable nonsense.
>>52011678
So delete the spam comments then that don't raise a point.
Why block comments for everyone?
Protip; because SJWs don't like to hear rational, logical, criticism that might harm their fragile little ego
>>52011678
Exactly.
...and then when they're not allowed to shut down discussion they hypocritically whine about MU FREE SPEECH.
>>52011724
No, and that has nothing to do with anything in this thread. You're just pulling boogeymans out of your ass now. Go back to whatever shithole you came from.
Why is it always the non-contributing product sponges who cry the loudest?
I bet OP doesn't have a single commit in the Mozilla code base or any other free software project of significance.
>>52011678
>>52011747
samefag
>>52011725
Now you're off-topic, unless the mozilla foundation has gone into funding comedians.
Show me what redpill scum are getting $15 and what it has to do with mozila or HN. You can't, because they aren't.
Thank you, good night, eat shit, fuck off, DIE.
>>52011753
It's non-contributing product sponges vs non-contributing product sponges.
>>52011760
Nope, but keep assuming that only ONE person disagrees with you. But don't take too long -you have to go back to licking Trump's asshole in less than 5 minutes.
>>52011753
Because the software we use and love is being destroyed? Even more so because people destroying it are not ones who brought it to greatness?
>>52011769
>Thank you, good night, eat shit, fuck off, DIE.
I find your language rather problematic.
>>52011684
Can't IDEs take care of that kind of stuff though? Not that I don't like using language like Scala for example. It's much easier than say Java
But to say "we don't need C++ programmers anymore", that's such a jump.
I'm sure there's a lot of stuff Rust can do that C++ makes a ham out of, but it just seems like a leap to throw out C++ devs
>>52011785
>Because the software we use and love is being destroyed?
That's not true. You're free to keep your favorite version of any free software.
>>52011785
>changing documentation
>it's destroyed waaaaaaa
>>52011781
>all this fucking projecting
Keep going, I want to see what's in the slideshow next.
>>52011713
>le
oh wow
>>52011787
like I give a fuck what's problematic to redpill scumbags. Go back to fellating Trump.
>>52011801
>these words in the documentation are fucking problematic
>change them waaaaaaaa
Give PC niggers and inch and they'll take a mile. This is only the beginning because someone legitimized them.
>>52011817
>redpill
Are you sure that's the word that you want to use?
>>52011801
I'm talking about changes they are introducing to Firefox.
>>52011795
Of course I am. But it upsets me greatly that the project |I love is being ruined, if that was not clear in my post, and I find it perfectly sensible to express that thought.
>>52011803
Here's your reply
>>52011769
you're missing my point entirely, how someone talks rarely has anything to do with the point they're making, or the actual message they're conveying
i really don't believe you're this dense that you're incapable of reading between the lines on anything, and take everything anyone says as literal or at face value
P A L E M O O N
https://www.palemoon.org/
>>52011822
Clearly this is a comment that would shed a lot of light and insight into an otherwise mature conversation.
Wait, no it's not ...it's just redpill blathering that won't be missed once it's gone.
>>52011832
>you're missing my point entirely,
No, I'm dismissing your hand-wave, as it's irrelevant and clearly intended to steer the conversation into some off-topic tangent.
>>52011794
>we don't need C++ programmers anymore
No one in this thread or the HN one is saying this. The original post (the one quoted by the first guy in >>52010800) was arguing against Rust solely based on his perception on what makes a "good programmer". The C++/assembly parallel was just to mock his argument.
>Can't IDEs take care of that kind of stuff though?
I'm pretty sure checking that a program in a language like C++ handles memory correctly is undecidable so, sadly, no.
How do you want your browser, f.a.m?
>browser is still slow as hell in 2015
>make up a shitty useless language so new engine will be even slower
wew
>>52011760
>on /g/
>surprised to find more than one poster over the age of 18
This isn't /v/, gaymergater. You're not going to find your safe space circle-jerk here.
>>52000000
>>52011868
>I'm pretty sure checking that a program in a language like C++ handles memory correctly is undecidable so, sadly, no.
You can catch some easy mistakes, like allocating memory and then not storing the pointer anywhere but the local variable that dies when function ends.
>>52011828
>I'm talking about changes they are introducing to Firefox
So how is the capitalist fuelled drive to change Firefox into a clone of their competitor at all related to your SJW boogeyman?
>>52011843
>blathering that won't be missed once it's gone.
See, this is exactly what I mean. You PC faggots think anyone who disagrees with you has a null point or doesn't deserve to speak and that, and that anyone who has a null point and doesn't deserve to speak is some right-wing boogeyman when in reality you've validated every single fear in the mind of the boogeymen you yourself created with your own authoritarian attitudes.
This is why no one can stand this PC shit and why everyone is so sick of it. You don't stop, and nothing is ever good enough because people all have different opinions.
>>52011860
okay fine, put that last point aside if you consider it off topic
take any non politically correct video game like that trench coat shooter one (can't remember the name, too lazy to google it) that everyone hated, or fucking GTA5
you think those devs would've entertained an idea of replacing master and slave in their source code or docs? you think they should have?
you can be 100% serious and still make jokes, you don't need to be pc to have a proper discourse about anything, or make a million dollar franchise/business
>>52011916
I never said anything about SJW..?
>>52011832
>how someone talks rarely has anything to do with the point they're making, or the actual message they're conveying
The way you kicked right into shitposting when you didn't get the circle-jerk you thought you would does say you probably don't do anything but resort to shitposting outside your hugboxes.
SJW is the buzzword of buzzwords. we should all strive to be post-memetic and see the world unshackled. or something. most of you are just low-sentient mongoloids.
>>52011684
>A posteriori
Kill yourself and take your 10 dollar phrases with you.
>>52011884
>muh gaymergayte
nigger no one even brought up gamergate until you started crying about it. As a matter of fact no one has aside from you crying about something that isn't even relevant to the discussion. It sounds like you've got some kind of chip on your shoulder.
>>52011929
I don't know. Did you? This whole thread is a convoluted shitfest, so it's hard to tell. Sorry if I thought you were someone else.
>>52011943
SJW is well-defined. Just because you don't like whne someone categorizes you don't mean the category name is a buzzword.
>>52011951
4chanx shows when a new person joins the discussion so it should be pretty obvious.
>>52011868
I thought C++ programmer were actually let go from Mozilla for node.js and Rust devs?
>C++ memory
Obviously Java has the ability to manage the heap etc, surely one day someone will come up with an extension to perform that function
>>52011943
SJW is not a buzzword but it includes unbelievable wide spectre.
>>52011919
It's not about agreement or disagreement; it's a bout content-free shitposting. Real (NOT 4chan, NOT stormfront) discussion forums have the right to protect the integrity of their conversations from people who only barge in with the intended purpose of shutting down discussion.
That's not "being pc"; that's wanting to have an actual, productive conversation.
You're a 4channer, I understand that distinction is doubtlessly lost on you. Regardless, it's true and valid.
>>52011943
>>52011760
wrong
>>52011884
I don't even know why someone would ever bring up gamergate. Gamergate was an organized attack on videogame mass media, by people who were sick and tired of its bullshit.
It was smeared in shit to hell and back by said media, so bringing it up in a conversation means you're either clueless or one of them.
>>52011964
>SJW is well-defined.
Citation needed, stormfag. Seriously: show us the defintion, prove to us that it's universal.
>>52011889
I think you can do it on the level of basic blocks, but not for general function scopes. Considerint* f(int n) {
int* a = malloc(sizeof(int));
if (undecidable_predicate(n)) {
return a;
} else {
return NULL;
}
}
You can't tell if the allocated memory goes out of scope when the function returns or not. Sorry if the syntax/malloc call is wrong, it's been a while since I did anything in C.
But I think we agree that an IDE is insufficient to do this in general, even if it's possible to do it in some specific cases.
>>52011991
"Social Justice Warrior" (abbreviated "SJW") is a snarl word used primarily by right-wingers on the internet (although even some hardline Maoists use the term[1]) to describe liberals, progressives, feminists, and supporters of political correctness.
I think this definition will please you :^)
>>52011997
>muh boy who cried /pol/
no one cares
>>52011939
nah, personally i just find it amazing these days how ppl can bury their fingers in their ears and seemingly go
>lalalala troll, block btn 4 u hahah i win
it's just funny because they're still at a point in their lives where they think they don't have to listen to anything other than the voice in their heads telling them how everything is
>>52012007
/pol/ is problematic.
>can't code
>complain about coders on forums
>>52012005
>right wingers
ahahahaha you fucking americans really crack me up sometimes
>>52011919
>You PC faggots think anyone who disagrees with you has a null point
Shitposting is shitposting. Nobody cares about your fee fees on a topic. If you can't discuss it like an adult, there's zero reason to engage in a conversation with you. You think the point is to "win", you think any means are valid, and your method of choice is by volume of trash.
You are noise, so you get squelched.
>>52012021
>can't cook
>complain about cooks on forums
>>52011978
Not only is that being PC, that's literally asking for a safe space. I'm amazed at the mental gymnastics one has to do to justify this in one's head as anything other than what it really is.
This is some straight up sophistry right here.
>>52011991
Here's definition from wikipedia for you: Social justice warrior, pejorative term for someone who raises social justice issues for personal aggrandization
I personally would throw away the "for personal aggrandization" part, but even with it there the definition is okay.
>>52011945
>He brought up gaymergate! muh gaymergate!
>>52012031
Why the fuck are talking to him then?
>>52012005
>[1]
>>52012031
>If you can't discuss it like an adult
define "discuss like an adult"
>>52012032
>complaining about the free food
>not just eating different free food
>>52012009
and you know what the scary thing is?
These are full grown adults.
People your age are acting like this.
You know what's even scarier?
Children in schools are being taught and raised under the idea that if someone disagrees with you or criticizes you in any context, it's just a troll, and all trolling is considered cyberbullying/abuse.
>>52011277
But what does that have to do with social justice?
>>52012053
>free food was good
>still subjectively better than other free food but is going to shit quickly
>>52012042
Because he thinks he's going to "win" despite saying the exact same thing he's doing against me, and he just can't resist shitposting despite claiming to hate shitposting. I'm getting the slideshow I asked for, that's for sure.
>>52012000
couldn't this theoretically be achieved with post-conditions? ages since I've done C too
Yeh I'd agree though a normal IDE wouldn't do this.
>>52012069
Yeah so eat something else or cook your own.
You are not entitled to anything.
>>52011978
Stormfront doesn't really have much shit posting
>>52012083
>cook your own
Unpossible.
>>52012031
yet you respond
>>52012099
stormfront actually enforces a minimum level of quality discussion.
you can't even say the word nigger there
>>52012035
>whining this hard about not being able to shitpost
Don't worry, anon; we were all 17 once.
People still use Firefox?
>>52012076
>being entertained by retards
damn...
>>52012054
>These are full grown adults.
If there's anything I learned, it's despite my generation being adults now, well into their twenties, none of them have actually grown up due to years of coddling. It's actually scary to think about a world where you have a bunch of children running businesses into the ground like the SJW are running FF into the ground.
It's no mistake that as soon as they ousted Brenden Eich for such a petty fucking reason, FF started turning to shit. This isn't some slippery slope fallacy, this is an actual fucking slippery slope.
>>52012125
Way to dodge the point. Whatever you need to reaffirm to yourself, nigger.
>>52012009
>they're still at a point in their lives where they think they don't have to listen to anything other than the voice in their heads telling them how everything is
Eventually you'll get to a point in your life where you'll realize how stupid teenagers are. We don't listen to you for a reason.
>>52012079
It can! But then you have the choice of either doing informal pen-and-paper proofs or switching to an experimental language with built-in pre/post conditions (like the ones from Microsoft Research), which comes with its own can of worms. You could also go for a full-blown dependently typed language and never worry again (but then again, you'd never have to worry about someone hiring you either). Rust settles with something that's restrictive enough, but hopefully not too restrictive for the everyday programmer.
Anyway, this thread is going straight from shitflinging to full-body head-to-toe shit immersion, so I guess I'll bail. Nice talking to you, anon.
>>52012106
We're not talking about fee fees about Firefox, now are we? That would be a pointless discussion with a troll. A little parenting, however, may do some good.
>>52011544
>just stop complaining and join the rest of the world on chromenobody uses firefox except for neckbeards anywayand now neckbeards have even less reason to use it now that they're stripping out all the neckbeard friendly features
This is bait, however, there is some truth in it. Firefox management has sold out. Consider the following, how to you gain market shares in browser market. You can buy your competitors. But if people have reason - sound or not - to avoid your browser they will move from the browser you just bought to another. There are probably trillions of Firefox forks. So you have not gained a maximum of users. This is why they want people to leave Firefox by themselves giving them incentives to leave using Firefox's shitty management. So by their own interest they try out other browsers and will likelier stick with Chrome or Chromium than they would have if you bought Firefox in the first place.
>>52012139
and then you have the movement in the tech sector where youth is prioritized over experience. big companies want kids as young as they can because they think youth == innovation (or something half-baked like that). as you have a generation of too-young kids moving into middle and upper management looking up to right-place-right-time guys like mark cuckerberg they make the wrong associations. it's a negative feedback loop
>>52012054
nah i understand it completely, they just haven't been anything close to alpha since birth and their mother rewarded them for it
all the while their father was either absent or was basically afraid of being divorced for not buying his wife that 5th house
they've just been taught since birth to have no spine, and that anyone that isn't like them they should just ignore
every self described "male feminist" or someone who's supported feminism has been the most cringe worthy individual. the normies just look at them like "yeh it's so sad they have this condition but we humour it"
they either fall into the category of "it doesnt affect me so w/e" and "as long as it doesnt hurt anyone i care about"
both ultimately shit attitudes to have but basically the world is selfish, like bowie said "everybody's looking for something"
I have an old account with -12 karma, what should I say? I'll probably get b& so make it good
>>52012031
>You think the point is to "win"
Uh, isn't that the point of debating? If you don't want a debate, don't initiate one. If you can't handle the opposing side will try to 'win' then shut up.
What is this pussification now spreading to my 4chinz. Where I can say nigger-cunt-crack-goyim-chink-penis-slav-gypsy babies and people will not automatically think I'm racist, because they are just words. Where we can discuss inane and irrelevant topics for pleasure.
Please Kindly fuck off back to a 'Safe Zone' and never come back.
>>52012207
that's exactly what we're talking about unless people have inside info, we're reacting to an event
>>52012239
You can't say anything unless you email HN.
are we being invaded?
The level of discourse here is very uncharacteristic of /g/.
It's like we're being flooded with idiots from /r9k/, is what it feels like.
>>52011176
Where do you live?
>>52012246
if I had swapped a few lines i could have spelled out beta, oh well
>>52012242
>Uh, isn't that the point of debating?
depends on why you're arguing. if you're arguing because your ego demands it, sure. it's a more reasonable stance to go into any "debate" trying to at the very least rationally check your own beliefs against the beliefs of others. it doesn't have to be about "winning".
>>52012242
>Uh, isn't that the point of debating?
No, point of debating is not to win. It's often impossible. Point of debating is to make as many people as possible to take your side and you're doing it wrong despite not being a cuck.
>>52012155
>Way to dodge the point.
Ah, to be 17 again.
>inb4 "samefag"
To be 17 again...
>>52012268
>if I call him underage maybe I win some sympathy points xD
>>52012268
>i-if I keep saying he's 17, it'll invalidate everything he just said and I'll win!
Wow, what a great thread.
I've never seen so much shit.
>>52012255
nah ppl just dropped major investment into the whole "being a feminist to get laid" thing in 2014, this is all just kinda aftershock from it dying down. some ppl pretty butthurt that it's not working out as they hoped is all, thus they resort to calling everyone a fag
>>52012255
I think it's because it's Christmas break.
Santa brought us cancer this year.
>>52012278
Kansha!
>>52012254
I can you faggot now come up with stuff to say
>>52012266
>everyone is right, here's your goldstar
whatever your point is this is fundamentally the problem with the world, people can't accept they're wrong anymore and be objective so we have this
>>52012242
>makes fun of safe zones while crying about losing his safe zone
>>52010635
faggots
>>52012278
KANSHA!
>>52012247
>that's exactly what we're talking about
No, we're talking about you.
You're really so wrapped up in your fee fees about this that you thought otherwise?
>>52012295
>>everyone is right, here's your goldstar
How about no one is right?
>be objective
You can't be objective about social issues.
>>52012266
'win' is in quotes for a reason. The goal of each person in the debate is up to each individual. Whether it is to spread an idea, discuss ideas, or dismiss an idea, people have a 'win' condition when they debate.
>>52010730
>implying a source called memernews is reliable
>>52012298
oh shit, you shure called me out on that one! Best go cry with the biggest dildo up my ass.
>>52012279
>"being a feminist to get laid" thing in 2014
>in 2014
Goes back a couple more years than that anon. I can finally feel the tides shifting though and it feels great. It's just too bad it's not happening yet within the tech field because corporations did the same thing, but instead of getting laid they "paid" into it hoping for positive PR and instead got fashionable nonsense.
>>52012273
You invalidated it yourself. I'm just commenting on the fact. You not being in a place where you can understand this doesn't mean I can't say it.
>>52012316
>how about there is no truth
nah sorry, this is just where the middle and the far left differ massively, i don't buy the hippie shit of "everyone's truth is real to them". people can be shitty cunts and know they're being shitty cunts
>be objective about social issues
then government would cease to function
if there is a problem, have a practical solution.
if you can't solve the problem, create a workaround
you can approach everything from a point of rationale and logic if you just put your feelings aside
>>52012361
Killing all immigrants would be rational and logical.
>>52012338
people are just getting sick of the whining, everyday just outrage at some bullshit. eventually these people get told to just shut the fuck up one way or another
>>52012380
>killing people
>rational solution
r u serious tho?
>>52012403
Why not?
>>52012361
sorry meant to say of course you can be objective about social issues, just approach from rational and logic etc
>>52012352
>You invalidated it yourself.
It's quite the other way around actually, you validated literally everything I said because you actually asked for a safe space free from whatever criticism you deem "bad", and your only response was
>huurrrr you must be 17
This is just lazy ad hominem atop saying you don't want x, but y. Yet x == y. Literal sophistry and word games at one point, then knee jerk to shitposting. This sure is some "mature" HN level discussion from you. You want a license to shitpost when it fits your agenda, but it's not "shitposting" when you do it. That's just pathetic. For someone who holds their community above 4chan, you're not doing a good job showing it.
>>52012403
No man. No problem.
It could not be any simpler.
>>52012409
so you'd solve social issues like homeless people by simply killing homeless people?
Just because it's a solution, doesn't mean it's a rational solution, or even efficient.
>>52012382
I'm just waiting for them to mount a serious outrage rag on professional sports. I assure you, that will be the moment the entire country turns militant and laughs their assess out of fashionably. The masses are just a metaphorical bomb waiting to be lit right now, everything about that bomb is primed and ready to go.
>>52012444
Why it's not rational though?
Well, here's less extreme example. Human experimentation. It's banned yet it seems to be very rational. Why?
>>52010635
>Mozilla's decisions
explain
>>52010880
/thread
>>52012464
it's not rational because you don't NEED to kill people to solve the problem, it's nothing to do with ethics even if that's what you're getting at
define human experimentation, because technically beta testing a video game is human experimentation
>>52012506
>it's not rational because you don't NEED
Ah, so there is one ultimate rational solution to this problem?
>Unethical human experimentation is human experimentation that violates the principles of medical ethics, such as the Nuremberg Code and the Declaration of Helsinki.
This is what I'm talking about.
>>52012380
Does that include the original illegal immigrants, white Europeans?
>>52012553
It includes whoever you (don't) want desu.
>>52012506
he doesn't really believe what he's saying you fucking moron
he's baiting you
>>52012506
needing to do or not do something is not a disqualifier for a rational solution.
>>52012553
>the original illegal immigrants
>implying the native Americans had immigration law >implying some of them didn't sell their land for trinkets.
Abandon ship, lards and ladies.
https://medium.com/@erikvvold/reflections-on-mozillahood-642f697bf69e
http://www.zdnet.com/article/is-firefox-the-walking-dead/
https://twitter.com/erikvold/status/679010586672410629
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KtOp5IFW38
Theme for the thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBgTVnlsG0
Time to throw my money at the palemoon autism team.
>>52012423
And you keep at it.
Kid, everything about your POV is immature as hell. This is the best you can do, and it's not very good. Do yourself a favor and stop thinking everyone on the internet is 17 and engaging in a battle of wills with you.
>>52012423
>This is just lazy ad hominem
It's a comment, not an argument. You're not on a level where you can appreciate the comment because you're 17.
Wait a few years. You'll understand once you've grown a bit.
>>52012534
>one ultimate solution
no I said there's rational solutions and irrational solutions based on logic and reasoning, there is then going to be the most efficient and at the same time, fair solution
>so ethics
ethics are obviously relative, that doesn't mean unethical behaviour disregards rationale and logic, it can but it doesn't have to
example, euthanasia. a lot of people with experience of alzheimers diesease would make a case for it, but it's technically unethical. that doesn't make the people making a case for it irrational or illogical
so to go back to your killing everyone solution, obviously not ethical, but impractical too, probably won't have the desired effect, not needed, etc
likewise if you came up with an ethical solution, that's great, but it fucking matters if it's rationale and logical
>>52012600
>implying you ever donated a single cent
>>52012565
yes it is, if I need to do something in 5 minutes I'm not selecting the solution that takes 20 even if it's rational solution that would work
>>52012579
>>https://medium.com/@erikvvold/reflections-on-mozillahood-642f697bf69e
what the fuck
>>52012619
~100E/y
>>52012601
>And you keep at it.
>Kid, everything about your POV is immature as hell. This is the best you can do, and it's not very good. Do yourself a favor and stop thinking everyone on the internet is 17 and engaging in a battle of wills with you.
Just more ad hominem, literally nothing and accusing someone of doing exactly what you are doing yourself.
>It's a comment, not an argument.
Now moving the goalposts. And more ad hominem. Nice try though.
It's amazing that you're literally a caricature of
>psssh nothing personal kid
Your constant whining about maturity is just massive projecting on your part, because for the most part the only people who bitch that hard are ironically kids seeking validation. If this is just bait, this is some bad fucking bait.
>>52012668
You're the one who set yourself up for this. You were expecting this to be a safe space and you got adults who don't have the patience for the antics little kids.
Grow up and deal with it.
>this thread
>>52011176
here in italy there's a plenty of sjw, animalists, anti-vaccines, supporters of the conspiracy theory
>>52012644
what? it's a great piece.
modern day mozilla is made up of spoiled brats, css-"coders", js-kiddies and feel-good-junkies mixed with a shot of SJW-tyranny.
nobody in there says "no" to anything stupid, because it might trigger somebody's my-little-pony-PTSD.
>>52012759
>You were expecting a this to be a safe space and you got adults who don't have the patience for the antics little kids
No, that was you in >>52011978 and all the later massively butthurt posts with ad hominem and your unhealthy obsession with 17 year olds.
You're free to continue your shitposting whining about shitposting, and everyone else will just continue laughing at you and every other HN, PC enabling faggot. This isn't a safe space for anyone, but thanks for validating everyone else who thinks people posting on HN are massive autists obsessed with a childish notion of maturity. You're a shining example of "maturity" that puts even /lit/ to shame.
>>52012804
And you got that from that article? I honestly can't see if it's praising or condemning the direction Mozilla is heading in. It looks a lot like former to me.
>>52011176
>they're anti-GMOs (because "it's not natural"),
it's not helping when the same companies being in favor of GMO are also lobbying for more permissive usage of carcinogen pesticides.
>>52012278
KANSHA!
>>52012804
>nobody in there says "no" to anything stupid, because it might trigger somebody's my-little-pony-PTSD.
Reminds me of that one guy who came out semi-anonymously talking shit about an SJW who got fired and Mozilla immediately responded with a manhunt. No one talks because no one wants to get fired for dumb shit like Eich.
>>52012821
I understand it as a list what he considers what a good mozilla-contributer is and does, and in the final paragraph concludes >Perhaps I am wrong however, about what a good Mozillian should be
otherwise his tweet wouldn't make much sense to me.
>>52012856
> I understand it as a list what he considers what a good mozilla-contributer is and does, and in the final paragraph concludes >Perhaps I am wrong however, about what a good Mozillian should be
And from that, how do you arrive at
>modern day mozilla is made up of spoiled brats, css-"coders", js-kiddies and feel-good-junkies mixed with a shot of SJW-tyranny.
>nobody in there says "no" to anything stupid, because it might trigger somebody's my-little-pony-PTSD.
>>52010811
>https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/12/10/mozilla-open-source-support-first-awards-made/
Pull the same shit they are, bitch and moan they are kink shaming women.
>>52011280
>Grow up. Or be banned from sites that demand a certain level of discourse.
Sorry buds but critique is part of proper discourse. Only children can't handle criticism.
In the name of free speech, say whatever you want.
Because if we are adults and not nurtured little children, we can take some retarded kid spouting nonsense. We don't need to just silence him. Today people can be sent to jail in a certain place for being a holocaust denier. Let him spout nonsense, that it will be pointed out. Otherwise by silencing him, you're giving more people a reason to believe him. You're making people think you're manipulating them. If you have something to say against that instead of resorting to that simple tool that you can use to silence people that are "inferior" to you in your personal place, you can take down his credibility.
Instead of putting walls everywhere and hiding in a corner where people are always saying one thing you like, how about you let your fellows see what's actually wrong and point it out? Or are you afraid of being wrong yourself?
>>52012899
Buildbot: $15,000. Buildbot is a continuous build and integration system which has been immensely valuable to Mozilla over the past few years. Their award will be used to remove the term “slave” from all documentation, APIs and tests, and also to make improvements so Buildbot works better in the Amazon EC2 cloud.
>>52012897
- by reading the discussions and following their process of decision-making in their mailinglists and bugtracker
- by visiting their myriads of communication-outlets, and how they changed over the years
- by reading their blogs and articles and noticing, what kind of stuff they're writing about and how
- by comparing the status quo to a year ago, five years ago, ten years ago
>>52013047
So, not from the article then..?
>>52012065
>But what does that have to do with social justice?
Modern social justice isn't about justice its about control. They have gotten peoples github repositories removed because someone was offended by technical terms and the whole trying to set up Linus for sexual harassment because it would further their agenda thing. So, what do you think will happen to a extension if the author(s) did something they don't like?
Everyone should just stop putting up with their fake political correctness bologna.
>>52013029
I read it, like I said claim they are kink shaming women by removing such terms. Maybe then they will fuck off with such a stupid waste of money and put it towards actually improving the browser.
