Reminder that if you are using an SSD as your system disk you basically a brain dead retard that should be removed from the genepool.
SSDs degrade over time based on the number of writes, so having your SSD as your system drive, which is constantly having date overwritten on it, will mean it will burn through its lifecycle pretty quickly.
>Waahwaah but muh booting times
Kill yourself. Getting 20 seconds every time you boot up, which is about 2 to 3 times a day is not worth the price of having your SSD bricked like 10 times faster.
Don't even try to argue with me on this unless you want to look like a fucking mouth breather on the internet.
>SSDs degrade over time based on the number of writes
Did you wish you could live 2006 all over again? Now you can!
Just Call 1-800 OP-ISA-PHAG
>>51780762
Someone's heated. Who the fuck cares anyway? Why are you using these drives for like forty fucking years?
Minimize the amount of files that are important to you forever and keep them on multiple cds and feel the comfort of nothing you do to your drive really mattering.
>>51780762
but im not a poorfag, so i dont have a problem with replacing a at most $80 part (for my use case) every other year.
>>51780762
If this was as bad as you say it is then why are you the only one complaining, I'm assuming 85% of consumer purchased ssd's are running operating systems
>>51780762
Oh, really? Shit, now my SSD will die in 15 years instead of 20...
>>51780762
not sure if bait or brain damage
So it's like, buying a Ferrari and drive it hard and fast is retarded because you're wearing the engine in a much less time compared to a slow drive style.
Man, those drives are built for speed. HDDs are bow for storage since their price for space ratio is still unbeatable.
What are you talking about??
i paid $150 for 500gb though. if it works for 4 years i think it was worth it. sorry I'm not poor
>>51780762
> be me
> buy SSD
> keep it in my drawer because I don't want to hurt its lifetime
I know you are just baiting but I can't help myself.
>>51780802
That's literally stupid resource management. Those 80 bucks could be better spend on something that will give you more than saving 1m20s per day.
>>51780796
>>51780808
Try 2 and a half average, though luck if you're on the left side of the bell curve. Your SSD just got bricked within the year.
>>51780827
You do understand that the only difference is in loading and transfer times right? Unless you're constantly booting up your system or transferring stuff to your system drive (literally why?), you're yielding absolutely no benefit.
Use it instead as your main work drive, where you'll install you programs, games, most used files etc. But not your fucking OS.
>>51780842
>Retard can't read comprehension
That's sad even for a strawman. Try again.
>>51780762
You have no idea what your talking about.
>>51780762
Isn't there stuff you can tweak on Windows to minimize disk writing though? I'm going to be upgrading to SSD soon, and this really interests me.
>>51780762
>being so piss poor you can't even afford $40 128GB SSD every couple YEARS for instant on OS/programs while having 8TB regular HDD for all data storage
>>51780879
Ive had a really shitty 60gb SSD as my system drive for 2 years and it still has 100% health
>>51780936
>use it as your main work drive
>like, your main work drive won't have so many read and write cycles
Just wat
OCZ vertex 2 128GB for near on 4 years, still running thx.
>>51781316
120GB even. cheers~
>>51780879
1 min 20 seconds per day for 365 days is a little over 8 hours. That is, if your time is worth more than $10/hr, an ssd every year is worth it (assuming they will all fail within a year, which they won't).
I guess since you're NEET, you need those $80
http://i.imgur.com/2BALvKW.gif?gifm
>>51781225
Yes, do not fucking install windows on your SSD, like I said in the damn op.
>>51781247
See >>51780879
>>51781254
See >>>51780879
>>51781286
OS /= frequently used programs
Clear enough for you now, peabrain?
>>51781316
>>51781344
See >>51780879
>>51780762
my first ssd was an ocz agility got it 5-6 years ago its still working fine. been relegated to my dear old mah's craptop though
you used a 90s cloning software. my old boss was like this too. "a little bit of education is wrong"
>"hard drive technology has never really changed"
>still using symantec >GHOST from 2002
>"it just transfers the bytes over... hard drive technology never changed"
>every time he encountered a GPT it would shit itself and he would reinstall on the SSD
>"Why is sometimes the ssd fast and sometimes it is not, we should have stuck with hard disks... they never changed"
>>51780762
That's why you buy cheap 120gb ones, you fucking idiot. They're cheap now, only getting cheaper. In a few years, they'll be like $30. Who the fuck cares if they have a lot of writes on them?
I wonder how upset OP will be when he sees I use TWO ssds for my system disk
I also wonder how upset he'd be if he knew how fast my machine opened shit
>>51781369
>being this poor
>>51780841
I paid 100$ for 2 tb hdds
>>51781369
I guess you dont ever drive your car either, since that will wear the tires out.
These items are designed to be used, why not use them...yes they will eventually wear, but EVERYTHING DOES. And if it doesnt, its ends up falling into disuse from being outdated.
Thats with anything though, not just specifically SSDs. However speaking of them, there is both evidence in both lab tests and real world usage that SSDs will last well beyond the lifetime of the parts in the system.
>>51781399
/Gee/ Jordan, how come your pc lets you use TWO ssds?
>>51780762
>he can't afford to buy a new SSD every year
>>51781453
Don't know of many rigs that won't let you
>>51781369
My ssd so far has lasted 4 years (nov 11), is 100% in crystaldisk, and will most likely last at least another 2 years. My 980x is still running beautifully, and the ud3r motherboard and ram is still working beautifully, on a mild (4ghz) o/c. For 4 years. I haven't even changed the water in the loop for the whole time. It's worked every night virtually since.
I spent more that i paid on the ssd for water fittings.
Stop trying to be a doofus. There is nothing wrong with using an ssd for system drive if you are a casual user.
>>51781369
That's the point. A work drive also gets a lot if writes. IMHO only a storage drive gets few writes, and those still are HDDs and their big sizes.
I repeat, just wat. OS drive and work drive, they have similar loads. So yes, will be an SSD so the whole system will be and feel faster. "Safer" HDDs will do the storage. And as other said, prices are dropping anyway.
You're chasing windmills man
Also who cares if your OS drive dies? Only your main storage and backup drives should you care about.
Lol I've had the same SSD for 4 years and it's still at 100%
OP is the only brain dead retard here.
>>51780879
>on his deathbed
"wow saving those shekels was sure worth wasting my limited time on this earth staring at those loading screens"
Tfw having my SSD as my Virutal Ram Drive in Raid 0
3 TIMES THE DECAY 3 TIMES THE SPEED 100 TIMES THE RAM
>>51780762
Reminder that if you are so poor you can't afford an SSD every 5 years for your system disk you basically a brain dead retard that should be removed from the genepool.
I still use raided sata, even normies are on the ssd hypetrain these days. The longest part of my boot is LUKS, ssd isn't changing that.
>>51780827
>HDDs are bow for storage since their price for space ratio is still unbeatable.
not for long.
>>51781841
LIES FUCK YOU M O T H E R F U C K E R ! ! !
>>51781870
SSDs are already at .25c/GB, HDDs have been stuck at 11-12c/GB for a long time.
>>51781887
My HDD runs at 1 millionc/GB a second get on my level
>>51781463
Who has to buy a new ssd every year
>>51781887
Disregard that, I really haven't been keeping up. HDDs are at 2.5c/GB now.
>>51780762
Aww, what's wrong, kiddo? Mommy won't let you use her credit card to buy a SSD this close to Christmas? It's ok, if you've been a good boy this year, maybe Santa will bring you one.
>>51780762
Your story is cool op but my system ssd is nearly 3 years old and still at 100% health
I guess that meme only applies if you biy shittier poorfag ssds desu you deserve it then
>>51780879
>Try 2 and a half average, though luck if you're on the left side of the bell curve. Your SSD just got bricked within the year.
You are a liar.
SSD's can run for several years if they are continuously reading/writing before bad sectors make them unuserable
>waaah my mommy didn't buy me a ssd because I didn't get enough good boy points and now I'm upset
kys my man
>>51780762
>>51780762
>tfw have been using a SSD-only system for over two years now
>tfw not a HDD pleb like OP
>Be me
>Going to build a new rig, have some questions about the parts
>Write up a thread asking about gpus
>Chose a pertinent OP picture, start with "Hi /g/, state your doubts as clearly as possible, end with "thanks for the help"
>Thread is mostly ignored, only 6 replies
>3 of them are joke/useless answers, 2 are calling me a faggot, 1 telling me to stop bumping my own thread
>Thread gets archived while threads like "If you buy an Xperia you're a retard" gets 30+ replies
>Maybe it's a stupid question, try the stupid question thread
>3 times, is ignored on all of them
>Same thing with questions about the CPU and the PSU
>Now wanting to buy an SSD, hear on a few places not to use it as the system disk
>Wanting to make sure it was a stupid advice that I should ignore, go ask /g/
>Get an unrelated picture of a cute anime girl as OP pic
>Instead of asking politely and directly, make the most inflammatory, offensive post I can think of paraphrasing what I wanted to debunk
>Reply with extensions of the argument
>Receive several replies, have doubts erased
Thanks, /g/. And honestly really sorry for the ruse, but this seems to be the only way to have your question answered here.
>>51781887
I wish that enterprise prices would come down more. fuckers are still charging around $1/GB at the lowest end. But I guess that's the fukken game.
>>51782122
Clever girl
>>51782122
Nigger you can't just reveal how to do ask for advice. SOMEONE NUKE THE THREAD
>>51782122
Rules 1 and 2 faggot.
>>51782122
>but this seems to be the only way to have your question answered here
Sad, but oh-so-true.
using SSD since 2009
once you go SSD you never go back
~3tb worth of writes in a year.
Such concern.
SSDs are for your OS and most frequently used programs.
>Don't even try to argue with me on this unless you want to look like a mouth breather on the internet.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/3
Even if you have a standard 240GB SSD, and write 50GBs of data to your drive daily, it will last for 16 years.
>>51781870
>This is a 1TB SSD
>>51781429
you want an award or something? here.
>>51780762
What is the fucking point of even having an ssd if you're not going to use it for your os and programs?
OP you are such a fucking faggot holy shit.
>>51780762
Well memed, forgot your frog image though.
>>51780762
>Don't use this technology for its primary purpose, you'll wear it out!
kek
>>51782879
>Don't use this technology for its primary purpose, you'll wear it out!
Thread is done
>>51780879
>I read once that SSDs were bad so I hate them
>not torrenting 24/7 on your SSD
cum on step it up OP
Should I buy a 128gb or 250gb drive for system and little else? Brand is Crucial, somebody told me that the 250 is actually faster somehow and I wanna know why.
>according to /g/ anything SSD by Samsung is shit
>Seagate is shit
>AMD cards are shit
>pretty much everything is shit
Never had an issue.
>SSDs degrade over time when they are used
>>51783736
>YFW EVERY PERSON EVER BORN WILL DIE SOMEDAY
>>51783626
If you were using a shitty OS like most people here, you would think those things are shit too.
>wahh my SSD will only last 20 years instead of 200
SSDs last 10+ years even with heavy use (writing 10 GB per day).
If you only use it as system disc than you can use it for ~30 years until electronic failure destroys it rather than the number of lifecycles.
3D V-NAND has a higher write endurance, and better ECC, than any perpendicular-recording raw hard disk sector. You won't get a hard disk with a 10 year warranty, even enterprise drives only have 5 years now.
No media is forever, but these usually aren't 2008 controllers or even if they are, they aren't 2008 NAND. Shit, you think your computer even bothers with swap much anymore? I've got 32GB RAM I'm the desktop next to me, with ZSWAP enabled (even better for big RAM than small RAM, paradoxically) and no swap partition because there's no point anymore.
Spinning rust is for cheap bulk storage only, but the price of NAND is coming down fast enough, and scaling and stacking up fast enough, that in 5 years it'll kill hard disks dead: they might not even get to HAMR in time now.
And then, crosspoint and other RRAMs.
>>51784271
This, the age of spinning disks is long overdue.
>>51780762
>so having your SSD as your system drive, which is constantly having date overwritten on it
windows user detected
get off /g/ you fuckin retard
>>51784271
Nobody cares kill yourself
>>51780762
retards like you degrade over time.
As do your ability to bait people.
ITT: OP is too poor to be able to afford an SSD.
>>51784420
>Buying a SSD
What the fuck are you high? i rather eat a taco
>>51784410
>Responding to bait
He won
>>51780762
reminder that the only reason people still care about the write limit of SSDs is because it's seen as a inevitable limitation.
An HDD will usually die sooner but because it derives from mechanical failure it's seen as less certain and thus people don't worry about it, writing to an HDD less won't help preserve it.
But in terms of actual real-world use, a modern SSD will last much longer even if you don't try to preserve it by avoiding frequent writing.
It's just hard for a lot of people to get over that concept.
>>51784540
But anon, how does a taco help your computer?
>>51784581
I will find a way...
>>51781693
amazingly, i think this is the stupidest thing i've seen in this thread
>>51780762
Not everyone is poor. When mine dies in 5 years, I buy a new 256-500gb one. They dont cost much.
There is more to it tham boot time. Some people dont like waiting on disk reads.
>>51780762
This poorfag bait is getting old.
Kill yourself.
I even torrent with my SSD for 4 years and the health is 99%.
Been using SSDs for 5 years now. Apart from the very first SSD I bought the rest are still working fine, and i've never had anything important get corrupted.
Silence is bliss.
>>51781379
I bought a 64gb ssd yesterday from amazon for 28$.
>>51786649
Gross ass man
>>51780762
anon, why are you writing 2PB of data every year? What job are you doing?
>>51781225
Yes, there are things like disabling your page-file (assuming you have a good amount of ram). Just google it.
>be me
>256GB SSD
>128TB HDD space
>>51780762
The only reason to have an SSD is to use it as a system disk though.
>>51780936
>Unless you're constantly booting up your system or transferring stuff to your system drive
you forgot transferring from the system drive which happens all the time by loading programs into memory. And that's where SSDs shine.
>>51782122
obligatory:
http://bash.org/?152037
fun fact: there are no Windows shill threads but only Linux tech support threads.
>>51780762
>what is wear leveling
>implying Windows >=7 is even useable without an SSD
you just stick with your bottleneck
>>51781465
well, you can literally just plug them in and throw them into your case
Both of my boot SSDs have outlasted my storage hdds and are in perfect health. Stop buying shitty SSDs.
all right stupid fucks why should i buy an SSD over a fucking Hybrid
>>51780762
>Use ssd for boot drive
>Write shit to documents/downloads constantly
>swap gayems at least once a week
>Current SSD health: 100%
>Estimated failure date according to current usage
>may 2024
Memetastic post op!
>>51780762
>SSDs degrade over time based on the number of writes, so having your SSD as your system drive, which is constantly having date overwritten on it, will mean it will burn through its lifecycle pretty quickly.
>le degrading meme
Oh come the fuck on.
>>51787444
>hybrid HDD
Hybrid HDD's flash storage is too small and you have no control on what lands on the fast storage and what not.
>turn off indexing on ssd drive
>disable prefetch
>turn on ssd optimizations like trim
>SSD still at 100% health after 5 years
>>51780762
>20 seconds everytime you boot
>which is 2-3 times a day
>he restarts his pc more than once every 2 weeks
>>51780762
The ssd write life is individual to each cell, not the overall system. Unless you're writing 30+ GB daily to the same cell it's not dying anytime soon.
>>51780762
I'm guessing either:
a) You recently had an SSD fail on you which you hadn't backed off, so you're irrationally pissed off at the technology rather than yourself
or
b) You recently assembled a PC and couldn't afford an SSD and are trying to convince others (and by extension yourself) that they are not needed
The practical matter is that running your OS from spinning rust is intolerable after you've experienced the instant silent performance of an SSD. I've had them for years and never had one fail. Even if they failed every year, ~£50 a year for vastly improved productivity would be nothing.
Note that the above does not apply to someone who does nothing with their computer but play video games and post on 4chan. In these cases, storage performance is not important. If you do anything productive, it does not make financial sense to not use an SSD.
>>51780762
Again the shitpost?
I've had 1.2 TB of SSD storage for the past 2 years. Sue me. Constantly downloading/deleting 40GB movies and 150GB TV seasons on the 1TB storage SSD.
>>51788091
Didnt turn off indexing/prefetch since it's still faster with it on an SSD.
Still 100%.
Enjoy you're placebo.
I use my SSD as system disk since 2012 and still works. I can't see the problem, sorry.
>>51780762
That's why I use a separate SLC SSD for Windows only
That's why we need an SSD friendly Linux distro. We could even call it NAND-OS if so inclined to be cheeky about it.
>>51780762
It's called putting your data on a hard drive, and just using your SSD for your OS and applications.
>>51789213
is this the best way to do it? I'm thinking of getting an SSD soon and putting my / partition on it and leaving /home on the HDD
>>51780762
oh noes, i'd lose all not important OS files and apps when it dies while important shit lives in le cloud or mechanical drives
>>51783626
Samsung is actually the first brand to to for since they make their own controllers. After that would be Intel they Kingston.
>>51780762
Whatever nigger, it only takes 3 seconds to boot windows 10.
I have two ssd's, 1 for windows, 1 for linux. Stop being poor.
>>51784624
How so?
>>51787137
Who the fuck still uses windows 7 anyway? That's 3 generations behind.
>>51787498
>le degrading meme
How is it a meme? It's an actual physical limitation, you ignorant buffoon.
>>51788305
Wait what? You go to sleep and leave your PC on? Literally why?
>>51780762
HUOOO
LINUX SUCKS 8=======D, U KNO?
Disable page file and hibernation.
You're welcome /g/oys
>replying this hard to a bait thread
/g/ is fucking stupid
>>51781463
>he can't afford to buy a whole new rig every year
FIFY
>>51790403
He wants to be cool in uptime threads.
>>51782122
>>51782122
Yeah, you won't get any answers if you ask "how can I do X on linux".
You need to say "LINUX CAN'T DO X!" and watch the replies come in
>>51780762
LINUX CAN'T DO SH*T!
IT NEEDS TO BE BANNED FROM GLOBAL USE!
>>51780762
You do know that you can tell most operating systems to cache files on other drives, right?
Even windows lets you do it. On Linux, only use your ssd for boot files and /home/.
>>51790736
Proof that linux sucks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
and:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBZxth7SMmM
Are you retarded? Why else would you need an SSD if it weren't to speed the load times of your OS, games, and programs? You think Steam won't be constantly writing the thing to update games? Because it will. You have to actually use an SSD to get the benefit of an SSD. It's like buying an umbrella and being afraid it might get wet. That's what it's for retard. You don't get an SSD to store important files, that's what HDDs and tape are for. You get an SSD to be your system drive, and if it dies someday, big fucking deal, you get another one. I've had mine almost a year now and it's still like 99% health, so I don't want to hear your fear mongering anymore.
>>51790825
>Buy another
Good /g/oy!
>>51782122
/g/ is for shilling not tech support. Pay shekels to redhat for that.
>>51780762
i have a 120 for my O/S and core applications, then two 500gb storage drives. Been working good so far and my core applications run noticeably faster. Plus my boot is literally 4 seconds.
>>51789189
>We could even call it NAND-OS if so inclined to be cheeky about it.
Oh anon, you got me good.
We have had two SSDs in a RAID 0 config for about 2.5 years, as the system drive in one of our machines.
We recently upgraded them to larger SSDs in RAID 0 about 6 months ago.
The ones we pulled still are plenty healthy, and have been re-purposed in other machines and laptops as the boot drives for those machines, and they're still working fine 4 months later.
Everything here is used pretty much all day every day.
TL;DR:
Don't buy Samshit TLC NAND drives, and enjoy your solid state drives for just as long as you would a normal HDD before replacing it.
(If you're storing important data on drives that are over 3 years old, and not redundant... I'm not sure wtf you're doing... it's like you want a problem.)
OP is a phaggot that is mad because he can't afford to spend a few $$ for increased performance.
>>51791630
>SSD on raid 0
Okay, serious talk now. Why? How can you possibly justify spending shekels on this, no matter how many shekels you have?
>>51781399
>raid 0
disgusting
>>51791780
>LE FUNNAY MAYMAY
>>>/out/
>>51792731
PCI-e SSD or GTFO
>>51780762
>SSDs degrade over time based on the number of writes
you realize that this is actually desirable, right? you can predict when it will fail and replace it before it does.
also, unless you're writing 24/7, that ssd is gonna last longer than any other part in your PC.
>>51780762
Are you even trying OP
>>51793293
kid
pcie ssds are dead
long live m2
>>51793347
>you realize that this is actually desirable, right?
I wonder who could be behind this post?
I'm going to buy a Crucial BX100 500GB this weekend and a 1TB SSHD.
And I can tell you that I'm going to put my system on that fucking SSD like an adult. Just like my huge as fuck games with long loading times.
ssds are so dirt cheap that you may as well buy one just to see what it is rather than bitch about not being able to afford it
they're cheaper than the games you probably base your life around
>All this poorfag SSD hating
>YOUR SSD WILL FAIL
>Literally NOBODY has a story to tell about a broken/worn down SSD
>BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN
>Same poorfags getting cuc.ked by WD blacks etc
>mfw these fucking morons
>>51780762
if you replace your computer once per decade, and you aren't using SSD's in a datacenter capacity with the same number of read/writes as a datacenter, then you'll be alright using an SSD.
i got about 40% performance gains in terms of loading time (os boot time, application loading, game loading) transfers, and searches.
haters be too poor to buy an SSD, and are just jelly NEETS becasue their parents wont' buy them new computer parts for their pony clicking, cartoon girl watching machines
>>51794660
SSDs have a TBW rating and those are openly clearified by every manufacturer.
How can you not know that?
>>51780762
>he seriously thinks ANYTHING MECHANICAL let alone spinning metal platters have a longer life span than solid state electronics
>he seriously thinks a HDD won't shit itself in half the amount of time a SSD will see it's write limit used up
>he seriously thinks it's better for a drive to randomly stop working and take all it's data with it than to have a drive that can't be written to anymore but still be read as many times as you need to recover your data
Does the SSD save how much data has been writting on it or do I have to have a tool running all the time to get a total?
Did you know that all computer parts degrade over time you fucking retard?
>>51794826
Not op but yeah, the point is kinda not to accelerate the degration. That's like taking your car drifting and then saying "it will degrade over time anyway so it's no problem to fuck it up"
>>51780762
>tfw easily 80% of my peers and including instructors in tech classes religiously believe in old SSD myths.
>>51794810
It saves that and other data in it's SMART, you can read them with a program like crystal disk info
>15Tb read, 10Tb write, 3.5yr old 120SSD
>100% health, still going strong
watch as i jinxed it and it bricks over the night
>>51796439
>tfw easily 80% of my peers and including instructors in tech classes religiously believe in old SSD myths.
You're as much an idiot as OP if you think the writing limit on SSD is a myth.
>>51780762
damn, that's some pretty good bait
>>51780762
I'm gonna use it as a system disk because that's what i bought it for. When it gets worn i'm going to replace it because i can afford to, u penniless fuck
>>51780762
I can't wait for this meme to die.
>>51796492
I never said it didn't, but i was talking about before trim where you could burn out a sector immediately, frankly most people i encounter there believe newer ssds will do that. It's gotten pretty funny when the classes get off topic and start discussing tips and tricks and then ancient ssd myths come poping up.
>>51780879
>Try 2 and a half average, though luck if you're on the left side of the bell curve. Your SSD just got bricked within the year.
>Pulling numbers out of your ass to shit post on a gook toon board
>>51796560
It's not a meme, it's jut cognititive disssonance on the behalf of OP.
A meme would imply that a majority of people hold that view and the idea is being spread - where in reality, it's one *really* mad anon who is trying to justify hsi decision not to buy an SSD (maybe one of his mates recently got an SSD an he's jealous?)
>>51796492
It's not a myth, but it's also not a concern for any non enterprise user.
>>51793458
>pcie ssds are dead
>long pcie ssds in a different form factor
>>51797390
SSD is recommended for enterprise use as well. Between redundant machines, raid, and constant backups, a drive going bad is pretty damn manageable. The speed benefits easily outweigh a simple drive replacement. You would need to be prepared for the same failure either ssd or hdd.
51/171 hits with the bait. Nice job OP
>>51780879
>1:20 a day
But thats 28 minutes in 24 hours anon. Thats two lengthy breaks for two work days extra. Or its extra fap time before work. Or its time you could use to shitpost on 4chinned.
q>>51780762
They last at least 5 years as a system disk.
After around 3 it is time to upgrade capacity anyway, so why are you so salty?
>>51798514
But why make it last 5, when you can make it last 10 or 15?
>>51780762
Since your arguments are utter shit and you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, I'll just say.
At least I am not a degenerate weeb
>>51800003
>In 4chan
>Not a weeb
>>51780762
Requesting someone ban this dumbass cunt.
lol fuck you, idiot
>>51799901
Because I can afford the very, very noticeable performance difference because I'm not a poor piece of shit like you.
>>51800154
>That brow skin
>Those stretchmarks
I'll stick with my 2dqts, thank you very much.
>>51800201
>stretchmarks
Wow you really are unfamiliar with women, aren't you?
>>51800154
sauce
>>51800296
I am the sauce.
>>51800311
i want to cum inside her anon
>>51800334
Me too. That's why I did. Right in her butthole. You jelly? She only fucks nvidia users.
>>51800355
I am Intel Iris master race.
>>51800422
omg that pic
its so wrong , yet so right
>>51800422
> literally flat, no ass at all
0/10, post more anime
>literally thinking SSDs only last 1 year as OS drive
my PC is much snappier and boots faster from hibernation
I use a laptop that goes to hibernation every time I close the lid so that is important
longer laptop battery life since no need to actually spin a motor
I have 3 computers with SSDs and 2 years in all 3 still going strong
It's just computers. There's always a weirdo with a fixation on some kind of bizarre interpretation of how to use a piece of technology who will go around angrily defending his nonsense and confusing casuals.
>>51800454
forget that, post rule 34 of this bishoujo.
bruh it takes 10 seconds to boot win10 from ssd, with all the updates and shit I dont have time for hdd restarts. my pagefile, cache, and restores, and personal files are on a 7200rpm hdd though as they should be.
>>51780762
Is this just some kind of trolling or is there seriously someone so pissed off that they can't afford to get an SSD that they have to keep making these threads?
>>51781693
what the kek fucking lol
>>51781369
>do not install
>because i said so
sure m9
>>51800422
Was it worth getting banned?
>>51780762
Okay, so OP is retarded. Most of /g/ doesn't know why though, because they are also retarded.
So *nix systems have this thing called atime, the time a file was last accessed. Since you're always accessing system files, your computer would be writing to the SSD a lot, just to keep updating the atimes of all the system files.
Where OP goes full retarded is that this is a pretty damn obvious problem, so much so that there's already a solution for it: a flag for mount/fstab that disables writing atimes. Isn't that nice?
So does the bus degrade or does the sector degrade? Couldn't you replace some part of it? How else would they be refurbished?
Shill. Moe Shill.
ITT: retards stuck in 2005 still think you have to treat SSDs like delicate flowers
>>51801045
this
So windows has optimizations for just such these reasons BUT i mean... Did you JUST learn about NAND read/write degradation?
Cause you sound like a child...
>>51797314
Not realizing OP hooked your retarded ass
>>51783609
Generally the differences are in the NAND quality, the performance the manufacturer intends, the controller chip and the firmware so.....
Sometimes they'll get super generic with those things and that leads to generally okay performance vs something designed to suck or be awesome.
>>51801153
This guy just learned what cognitive dissonance is.
My DAD taught me that when I was like 2.
>>51790403
>I'll take sleep mode for 500, Trebek.
>>51780762
what if you have like 3 or 4 ssd's?
>>51780762
>Being this poor
lmfao get a job you fucking neet.
What else are you gonna use a small SSD for?
Unless you use like 1TB, you ain't going to just use it for music/tv shows/games. No one respectable has that little of a collection in 2015.
are the speeds of my hard drive normal?
how would an SSD compare to these speeds??
everything degrades over time
>>51801422
About 20x that.
>>51801449
>RAPID MODE ENABLED
Congrats, you just benchmarked your ram cache.
>>51801449
>rapid mode
hurr durr
>>51784581
You can use the grease from the meat as thermal paste
>>51797314
I have an SSD it's a meme and a waste of money. You're just jelly that you don't have a 500gb SSD
>>51780762
Who is that hunny bunny?
>>51790403
Ever heard of "suspend"?
>>51801606
>>51801634
since >>51801449 isnt an accurate demonstration of an SSD, how does an SSD actually compare to >>51801422?
>>51780762
Nigger, just reinstall your OS on another drive if it dies, and keep your shit on a hdd fucking fag
I'm using a 16gb SSD for my / since 2009 or so. No issues whatsoever.
If it dies I'll just reinstall my Linux root on it and move on. No critical data would be lost.
>>51780879
>1m20s
Nigger, even a clean, fresh Windows 7 boots more than 3 minutes, including time after login to have everything work smoothly.
Bump it up to 7-10 after a few months of use.
SSD saves a lot more than 1'20''.
My Xubuntu on SSD actually boots faster than my BIOS manages to crawl up to GRUB.
>>51781555
>This
/thread
>>51780762
>SSDs degrade over time based on the number of writes
So do hard drives. Also its not 2006 anymore.
>Getting 20 seconds every time you boot up, which is about 2 to 3 times a day is not worth the price of having your SSD bricked like 10 times faster.
Lel, don't tell me what to do mommy xD
ITT: OP is a poorfag and can't afford SSD's
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>>51790340
Who uses Windows at all? It's 2015
>>51789932
> Kingston
Yeah nah bait and switch low tier trash company shouldn't even be considered.
>>51802462
an typical ssd is a bit better both seq and random, but those speeds aren't normal for a hdd, i take it that's either a raid, and/or some high end hdd (10k raptor/sas?)
That's an excellent bait OP! Congrats!
this bait is so tasty
Professional Storage Engineer and Architect here.
I know OP is probably just baiting, but everything he said, while technically true in one sense or another, is totally inaccurate or irrelevant.
Modern SSDs have the write endurance to function as a boot device for many years longer than an equivalent spinning disk would last. The difference is that an SSD gives you a meter to yell you more or less precisely when it will need replacing.
Also, modern SSDs have internal wear levelling that prevents "hot sectors" from being prematurely worn out.
The only surefire way to wear out a consumer MLC/TLC disk is to set them up in a raid array that computes parity. Basically R5 or R6. Put them in an R6 array and use them for anything besides dropping large static files and the write amplification from parity recalculation will eat up endurance at a fairly fast rate, but you'll still get several years of life before you are compelled to replace it due to dropping too many usable sectors. Disclaimer here is that if you run a database server on it that has anything like a high transaction rate, that several years can be cut way, way down.
The MTBF ratings are so high on modern SSDs, when taken care of physically (they generate heat that needs to be dissipated, just like a spinning disk) I have no problem recommending and using things like R0 for home systems, for data that is not "irreplaceable". I built a machine using two of the Samsung EVO850 disks that went on crazy sale at black Friday and it has no problem pulling off 100-130K 4K IOPs or 900-1200MB/sec in large block IO.
TLDR: OP is either bait or an idiot. Get an SSD from a reputable manufacturer, drive it like you stole it, never look back.
>>51803071
What do you do for irreplacable data?
>>51802462
That's not "just" a spinning disk.
Some sort of caching/acceleration technology is at work here. Either a so-called "hybrid" drive or something like Intel's RST.
Possibly even plain old windows prefetch/readyboost depending on how that app reads data and how many times user ran said test with the same test dataset.
>>51802942
The machine the benchmark was taken from is from inside of a virtual machine stored on a single WD Red 4TB archival drive.
Technically it has a virtual hard drive because of this, so that must be why the speeds are not normal.
Perhaps something is being cached in RAM somewhere on the hypervisor?
Would I benefit at all by using a SSD if this is the case?
>>51780936
>What is the Operating System loading system files.
You are the one who should consider suicide, my friend :^)
>>51803071
>SSDs in RAID
LOL
>>51803079
If it isn't highly sensitive data, I put it on one or more public Cloud providers. That's if it is a fairly static dataset.
If it is a dynamic dataset that still needs that level of redundancy or is highly sensitive, you have to pony up for the gear needed to protect it.
Either a NAS device with data protection or a raid array within the host system.
At home I have simply run scripts to keep data synced between discrete devices so as not to incur raid overhead and write penalty for a dataset that is a small fraction of my drives' total capacity. Isn't perfect and isn't for non-expert users, but nothing protects like simple, dumb, mirroring hehe.
>>51803107
>>51803093
Felt I should quote you too, since I didnt see your reply as I posted
>>51780762
I used GNU+Linux.
Directories other than /home/ /var/ /tmp/ /opt/ that are mounted on drives (mostly in /usr/) only get written everytime I update.
>>51790340
>>51803134
I don't have anything cimpketely irreplacable.
But I am writing my thesis. I work on the files off a usb stick, and when I am finished, I run a .bat that backs up to the device I am using (on two different drices) and upkoads to dropbox.
Should be good enough, right?
>>51803107
Try the same test with a test size of at least twice the ESXi host's physical memory and post the result.
The fact that it is only accelerating sequential reads and that the test size is only 1GiB (not the same as 1GB, it's smaller) screams memory resident caching of some sort.
>>51803175
The test can't go higher than 64GB, the host has 72GB RAM (KVM also)
>>51803121
>>51803165
Should be.
>>51803107
running the benchmark in a vm invalidates it, as the vm software can 'cheat' (via ram caching, operation reordering, CoW, compression...), so what the benchmark is trying to do is likely not what it really happening on the physical disk
>threatening people with embarassment if they tell you your opinion is wrong
damn son, you were born in the wrong gender with that emotional sensitivity
>>51803186
Right, so what I want to know is if I would benefit at all from an SSD considering that the VM is 'cheating'.
>>51803121
Not sure if serious?
We use SSDs in RAID in every hybrid or poor-man's AFA that we deploy. Granted in the ENTERPRISE where we are talking about tens of thousands of IOPs per second around the clock, we use eMLCs, EFDs and other more durable SSD technologies, but this is home that we are talking about. If you can afford a 1TB SSD, you'll get more performance out of two 512s in R0 and it'll last plenty long.
>>51803182
the best you can do without using the host system is to pass a disk partition to the vm directly, disabling any kind of special features such as caching/snapshots/etc
>>51803202
it depends on your workload, as usual
real world random reads can't be cheated, since theres no way for a prefetching system or read cache to predict them, so for example, cold boot os's and programs will be about the same no matter what the vm does
note that there's nothing a vm can do that can't be done "on metal", either, the only reason it's cheating here is because the benchmark relies on bypassing certain things in the os it's running on, but the vm operates outside of that. real world usage will still be quite similar to if the system was not virtualized
>>51803263
basically, what i'm saying is that 'cheated' benchmarks are just that, cheated.
if i was to right now run, say;dd if=/dev/zero of=file.bin bs=1M count=65536
i'd make a 64G file in just a few seconds, on a single hdd, but not because my hdd is actually that fast, but because my filesystem uses compression, so all those zeros just get compressed down to hardly anything before actually being written to disk, it's a worthless test
>>51780762
>implying I didn't buiy it for the exact purpose of faster boot and program startup
Kek, fucking nab. Enjoy getting old waiting for that rotating mess you call a drive.
>>51803296
the benchmark uses random data
>>51803316
that was just an example
random data can still be (ram) cached by the vm software, and can still be affected by CoW
benchmark software relies on telling the os to flush each write and to not cache reads to get a proper result, the vm operates outside of the os, so won't be affected by these requests
>>51782122
You are forgiven OP.
But to answer, you needn't worry too much about system decay from your OS, you should be all g.
>>51803344
gotcha.
so which would be better?
1:
creating a RAM disk on the hypervisor, and then storing the VM's boot drive on the RAM disk?
(Note I can create upto a 64gb RAM disk as I have plenty of RAM to do so)
2:
getting an SSD and storing the VM's boot drive on that?
3:
simply keeping it as it is now?
Workload is just basic computing, web browsing, gaming, etc.
