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>Previous thread:
>>51211827
>>51226604
inb4 thread ruined by sennheiser shills
>>51226628
audio technica is better desu senpai baka
>>51226634
yeah just when you thought sennheiser was nobass, audio technica come out of nowhere and steal the crown
>>51226636
MSR7 would like to have a word with you.
>>51226651
closed headphones are literally irrelevant
Any idea for transportable headphone amp/dac -combo for laptop and AKG K545? By transportable I mean usb-powered, small footprint and not too heavy. Fiio E10k? Something else?
>>51226658
There's some shit called E18 Kunlun. Worth taking a look at.
>>51226658
just plug them into the laptop
>>51226656
I also agree too.
>>51226658
None. The K545 is easy to drive with any source, unless your laptop is crap then go ahead get one.
>>51226703
>>51226671
Yeah, I should've elaborated, I keep hearing static noise from headphone jack from my laptop(this is first one I've had this problem, not even my desktop has this problem).
DAILY REMINDER DACS ARE A WASTE OF MONEY
DAILY REMINDER YOU DON'T NEED EXPENSIVE AMPS
>>51226777
the trips lie
wasted get
kill me
and yourself
>>51226777
>tube amps
>32bit DSD/384kHZ compatible dacs
O2+any source is already the endgame.
>>51226777
Well, I mean, unless your setup is 100% analogue you're going to need a DAC in it somewhere.
Even the one in your laptop should be fine.
Any mic with a 3.5mm jack that I plug into my computer is really quiet. I even bought an audio card (Xonar DGX or some shit) and I have the same issue. That's the reason why I can only use USB headphones to play CS:GO.
What's the problem?
Alright guys:
- Budget £30-£50
- I like having the headphones with the Audio-Technica style wings on them
- Don't care if they're open or closed
- I mostly listen to Hip-Hop i.e. MF Doom, Madlib or Soul Kahn
>>51226889
Aren't nignogs in the UK supposed to listen to grime?
>>51226925
I've listen to some of it but all It is is Rap dumbed down for britbongs imo
shopping at 5am
wew
>>51226945
How can a lowest common denominator genre be dumbed down?
>>51226962
Yep, It's as bad as it sounds
Just listen to the lyrics on some of Skepta's songs. Pretty shit
>>51226838
you mean this one?
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/35/objective2-headphone-amplifier/
i'm trying to find one but they're hard to source in europe. what's another safe bet for a transparent dac+headphone amp with line out?
>>51224417
Hope this guy from the previous thread is still around. Being a heavy retro music listener, I also spend a long time searching for the ideal version of an album. I usually prioritize SACD or japanese SHM-CD over anything else, because they sound better than the other versions most of the times. This aside, bear in mind that sound quality hugely varies from artist to artist: some artists really didn't care about the sound quality of their discs, while some others were obsessed about it. For instance, a FLAC ripped from a SHM-CD of the Toto may sound worse than a cheesy 128 kbps mp3 ripped from a casual disc of the Dire Straits.
>>51227006
fucking dying
>>51227044
Epiphany Acoustics and Head n'Hifi sell them. There are some others I'm forgetting I bet.
Yo minna-san!
>>51227087
Mayflower Electronics
>>51227064
Pls don't post shit gifs
>Budget
$150
>Location
USA
>Source
MacBook Pro and iPhone 6
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I've tried both the ATH-M50x and the MDR 7506. While I didn't have a problem with the clamp of the Audio-Techinicas, they did really hurt the top of my head after sustained use. The Sonys didn't hurt the top of my head as much, but the ear pads were slightly too small for my ears, which made my ears uncomfortable after awhile.
>Preferred tonal balance
I preferred the sound of the M50x to the 7506, so bassy?
>Preferred music
Hip-Hop
>Past headphones
Apple EarPods
>>51227093
Hey, there's this place in my country selling the X2 for like $220. Would you recommend me picking it up for that price?
>>51226984
>lyrics
>>51227147
fiio e10k + superlux hd681 evo
>>51227116
He's looking for suppliers in yurup ya dingus
>>51227177
Absolutely yes if you like emphasized bass (but not too emphasized, it's a very balanced heapdhone, then you can hear all the frequencies very well).
>>51227177
Yes, i paid 300€ for mine and its still worth it.
>>51226736
It's time. So what your budget anyway Aron? Because the e10k will work for your situation. Unless if you're getting a another pair of headphones?
>>51227044
Try
>>51227087
Just the O2 alone. And also if you want a dac/amp, the O2+ODAC RevB would be the right choice.
>>51226864
Some microphone required phantom power to keep active. Probably toy round with the settings at best. And make sure its dedicated by itself. If all else fails get a preamp for it. Probably stick to your USB mic for now.
>>51226949
I hope that you ordered pizza on Tuesday
>>51227147
I don't want to sound like a madman but get the Pistons 2 or the Shure SE215 if you want high Isolation. IEMs suits your needs pretty well.
>>51226838
>that image
It's perfectly matches this whole community in a nutshell
>Budget
~200 CAD(RIP, dollar literally garbage), can be a bit flexible
>Location
Canada
>Source
Shitty 3 year old ASUS laptop and Sony Xperia ZL phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
As long as it doesn't physically hurt me to the point of needing to take them off after a while, will take some discomfort for better audio quality
>Preferred tonal balance
Anything that doesn't favour one thing too much
>Preferred music
Mostly alt-rock, also listen to hip hop, some trip hop and fusions of electronic music(basically mostly /mu/-core music that fit in those genres)
>Past headphones
Sennheiser CX 175(shit broke after like 4 months though, internal damage somehow) == Shure SE215 >>>>>> Beats Tours
>>51227226
K7XX, DT990/880 or SHP9500
What kind of headphones would an elf use? They have large, pointy ears.
>>51226658
Fulla Schiidt?
>>51227276
SHP9500 or HD800
>>51227226
>(RIP, dollar literally garbage)
I know that feel too bro, I hope that Trudeau action plan would help.
>>51227276
HD800 if you know what I mean.
>>51227209
I'd guess budget would be somewhere in ballpark of 100 - 150 bucks, since on principle I'm not gonna spend more money on it than I spent on my headphones. I'm not planning to get another headphones, since these ones are pretty gud and easily transportable. I was mostly wondering if I there's a comparable product in the market since I really haven't looked into it lately.
>>51227285
Yes, audiophiles are sometimes Fulla Schiidt.
>>51227199
>>51227204
Thanks! I bought them.
>>51227316
You can tell the chic's trying her best to disassociate herself from him.
>Budget
£60-80
>Location
UK
>Source
Galaxy S5, iPad Mini
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Comfort > Sound quality
>Preferred tonal balance
Balanced, neutral, maybe slight emphasis on bass
>Past headphones
They've all been cheap shit.
>>51227316
I'm still sticking to suggest the E10 or maybe even the Fulla. But if you save a bit more, probably get the E17K.
I overspent on a portable dac/amp myself. And it's the C5D, it's like a miniature o2+odac but it's 44mw@35ohms only. No regrets
I really like the Focal Sphear IEMs. Great sound, good isolation, easy insertion and comes with a neat carrying case. I just wish the microphonics from the cable while walking around wouldn't be as loud. One of the loudest that I can remember. Otherwise I could almost use them over more expensive ANC headphones while commuting.
Probably my favourites or close second out of the IEMs I've had so far, even if price-wise they land somewhere in the middle.
>>51227444
Etymotic Research HF5
>Sound quality > Comfort
>>51227720
reminder
>>51227736
doublenigger reminder
>>51227759
the replies under it are even better.
"the sound is worth $600"
"i support noble"
"delete this"
>>51227720
>>51227736
>Aaaah Etymotic-san your triple flanges are too big! My eardrums are moving on their own!
>>51227787
Noble is a featured insider on head-fi. They probably got permission to shill.
>>51227759
>>51227736
There seems to be a message here but I don't get it.
Etys are still very flat, and the fact the use cheap parts doesn't change that. IF they can make something better with a few dollars than someone else with 500 dollars in parts and charge less for it, more power to them.
Pretty sure the person who made that Ety image tried to post something about Moulton (Noble) dissing the ER4. But Moulton's post was saying that the ER4 was one of his favorite IEMs.
>>51227759
>>51227787
The shills are real. I love you guy's know what the difference between perfect and shit. More people still need to know about this.
>>51227736
So why are etymotics recommend still anyway if the build quality is shity?
>>51227900
I guess IEMs in general no matter what. Has to be treated with TLC all the time.
>>51227209
>Just the O2 alone. And also if you want a dac/amp, the O2+ODAC RevB would be the right choice.
damn, that's quite out of my budget. what's a good alternative around 100€?
>>51227900
nah i made that image to piss off and effectively killed the ety shill that used to post here
>>51227957
>So why are etymotics recommend still anyway if the build quality is shity?
Post-purchase rationalization and comfort issues aside, they're still a good choice for neutralfags.
>>51228005
>neutralfags
You mean audiophiles?
>>51228029
>"audiophiles"
>$23 drivers
Sounds about right
>>51228029
Not really. I mean people that rely fully on graphs and measurements made by others to get as flat frequency response as possible.
>>51228050
Is that a bad way of getting a flat FR?
>>51228071
It's the easiest and most convenient way which is enough for most. My point wasn't in the "how" though, but in the fervent pursuit of neutrality itself.
Here it comes the original "flat is better" argument.
Enjoy your colourless and boring headphones.
>>51228092
>colour
>>51228092
>there's people here who don't know how to use the equalizer
Just saying, you could even make any headphone near flat with just measurements alone.
>>51227957
Etys aren't the paragon of ruggedness. Comfort is about average on the Etys, considering that the narrow barrel aids insertion, and there are countless tips you can swap on.
I don't like the ER-4 that much. Treble quality can be better, but the most annoying thing is the cable. ER-4S and 4B are also insensitive from the extensive use of electrical resistors.
>>51228071
It's even easier to EQ with IEMs than with headphones. You can't even make the excuse of positional variance, and IEMs usually have even lower distortion too, however relevant that was.
>>51228129
So then what's the point of buying expensive monitor headphones then? Why not go with a $5 pos?
>>51228137
>>51228129
It's a nice cheap way to get different sound from what you have, but precise EQing is very inconvenient for the average user though. Your standar guy will just use it to boost bass or put the "rock" setting on after they go all whoa on its further V-shaped sound.
>>51228137
Yeah, makes sense why its like that. It's like a commercially available hearing-aid for dummies.
>>51228171
Does somebody have that image with a koss portapro with those modified ear pads. That's truly the endgame of all headphones.
>>51227992
Try
>>51227478
They have some pretty good suggestions for something smaller.
>Budget
150.000-250.000 COP but I'm flexible (~52-87 USD, exchange rate is shit at the moment)
>Location
Colombia
>Source
PC
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
I've mostly used closed headphones but I'm willing to try open headphones
>Comfort level
I need them to be comfortable enough to use them 4+ hours non-stop
>Preferred tonal balance
As another anon said: "Anything that doesn't favour one thing too much"
>Past headphones
Cheap generic brands and maybe a few Logitech
I'm constantly getting up and moving around so I need wireless headphones, preferably with mic included.
If there aren't any headphones matching my criteria since I'm a cheap fuck right now, what should I look for on a pair of wireless headphones?
Should I choose RF or Bluetooth? Internal proprietary battery or common AAA? NiCd or NiMH?
>>51228283
Sony MDR-7506/V6
Anything wireless in general is trash tier.
>i once did found a pair of those v6 for like 85 pesos on the marketplace from Mexico one time, but my uncle got them.
>>51228174
Using a probe tube at the eardrum is even harder than teaching someone to EQ by ear.
>>51228171
Comfort and fit, product finishing, positional variation, consistency, and nonlinear distortion.
Positioning and consistency frustrate using EQ to fix them.
Distortion may not matter that much past a certain point
>>51226838
How does magni2 compare to o2?
>>51228171
Transducers are the single largest thing in your setup which effects audio quality and not all transducers are created equal. Transducers have their limits. EQ when properly used can help fix a ton of problems and make a lot of headphones near perfectly flat. There are still things which EQ has no effect on. Also what anon >>51228399 said. EQ is no magic. You should never forget the quality of headphones if you want good fidelity. EQ is or should be just the final touch to achieve that.
>>51228092
>listening to your gear
>>51228371
>Anything wireless in general is trash tier.
I'm well aware of that, but I'm not too picky on sound quality and I request them of pure necessity.
Also, I have had too many wired headphones dying on me over the past couple years because of cats.
>>51228407
More power, more noise. In practice the difference is negligible.
>>51228478
Why does your cat play with your wires?
>Have you tried spraying it with water to discipline your cat
>>51228407
The O2 can be portable you know.
>>51228478
a chewed wire doesn't mean your headphone is dead ya dingus, just cut it short and stick a new jack on it.
hell, cut it real short and stick a female jack near the earcup: now you've got a removable cable.
R.I.P. Bob Ross stream
>>51228539
>Why does your cat play with your wires?
That's what cats do sometimes.
>Have you tried spraying it with water to discipline your cat
No, because it doesn't happen on my watch. Otherwise, I wouldn't have chewed wires.
>>51228574
>cut it real short and stick a female jack near the earcup: now you've got a removable cable
That actually sounds interesting, a ghetto way to do it, but I'm not interested.
>>51228577
Does anyone know what the timer is for? Also, there are some episodes hosted on his youtube channel. Not as fun as seeing "RIP DEVIL" in the chat, but it's something.
>>51228489
What does noise mean? Is noise=distortion to you? Can you show me a picture showing the difference?
Hiyu
>>51228705
Noise could be classified as a type of distortion. It just means that Magni has more hiss than O2. The noise floor is lower on O2. O2 is remarkably "silent" in terms of noise spectrum and Magni 2 is very good too. It will not make a difference in practice unless you are using some very sensitive IEMs with the Magni 2. You might be hearing some faint hiss in the background in that case.
>>51228202
>Does somebody have that image with a koss portapro with those modified ear pads. That's truly the endgame of all headphones.
>pic related
What's a driver and why is it measured in mm?
First for swedefaggot with shit taste
>>51228489
>>51228539
Why can't the magni2 be portable too?
Is a DAC ever needed btw? Like if you're listening from your phone?
>>51228798
>being gay
literally all swedes are gay its breaking my heart
t. straight swede
>>51228743
Jack those things up to a Walkman cassette player, and you're the final hipster.
>>51228878
>straight swede
Jamal, please...
>>51228768
That's the major component where's the magnets vibrates the air to sound waves. All headphones have different drivers in various shapes and material but they all have the same principle, to produce harmonic frequencies.
Ehh, go startpage it yourself. I'm lazy myself.
>>51228877
They engineered that like that. Too much hassle to put a battery that doesn't disturb the circuitry.
>Is a DAC ever needed btw?
No, not really (look at
>>51226838
) unless if your sources are having trouble going on. Then perhaps.
>>51228956
ill jam ur anal hole with my dick faggot
Anyone here owns a pair of Sony MDR-1R? I just bought them for 89$ after a 59$ discount. Did I just waste all that money?
I currently use a pair of Shure SRH840.
>>51229000
>trips and cultural enrichment.
Checked.
Anyone have a graph on the m40x
>>51229026
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/5705574
>>51229063
Looks pretty good for $100
>>51228671
>ghetto way to do it
That's up to you.
If you don't want to leave it dangling like a Superlux then open up the earcup and stick the socket in where the cable leads out.
>>51227093
havent listened to foxtrot in a while, thanks for reminding me
>>51229010
For that price they're a decent buy. But I'd also probably say it'd be worth sticking with your 840s. In hindsight I'd have bought something else, but they do their job, and they were a bit too expensive at retail to not use.
Try them out, they're worth that at least, and for portable use, they're probably the most comfortable things I've used.
>>51229113
That's pretty cool actually, but I'm not interested.
I'm on Skype A LOT and I'm moving around A LOT. I need to be able to do both things at the same time.
>>51228371
>Sony MDR-7506/V6
stop reccing these bright harsh boring pieces of shit
>>51229238
Sounds like you need a desktop mic
>>51229266
They are 8/10
>>51229266
Care to suggest something else anon?
Post a youtube link to the song you are listening RIGHT NOW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZa5g1jLtdo
Which headphones do you own?
>Fidelio X2
>MDR-7506
Which headphones did you tested in the past?
>DT770
>DT880
>DT990
>SHP9500
>M50X
>K612 Pro
>>51229328
too much meme taste for me
if you like 2814 check out liumin
if you like liumin check out the rest of deepchord/echospace(primarily the label) stuff
if you liked that youll def like basic channel/chain reaction stuff
>>51229328
m40x - fidelio x2 comparison please because i have the former and thinking about getting the latter
>>51229268
I don't have/use speakers, I wouldn't be able to hear the other person.
Hi, Tyll here from InnerFidelity telling you to keep listening and we'll see you in the next one
>>51229368
>which headphones do you own?
Philips Fidelio X2
>which headphones did you tested/owned in the past
Sony MDR EX90
Sennheiser CX-300II
Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Over Ear
I need the waifu headphone chart
>>51229459
You made an entire review bashing the Ether and then you add it to your Wall of Fame.
What's up with that?
>>51229503
So shit they're the best headphones ever, as long as they're experiensive as fuck: audiophilia in a nutshell.
>>51229439
The X2 is my only open headphone, and the only open headphone I've had the opportunity to listen to. The bass response is very good, they're a lot warmer than the M40x. Sometimes the mid and treble doesn't feel as separated as they do on the M40x. I'm never really comfortable wearing both, lots of people say the X2 is extremely comfortable but I've never really felt it disappear on my head like they say. The clamp is only slightly less so than the M40x. The X2 is definitely easier to wear with glasses. If you can find a deal I would give them a try.
>>51229553
>The X2 is definitely easier to wear with glasses.
It would be more correct to say that if you have to wear glasses, than with any closed headphone you will have to say goodbye to all the low end.
>>51229368
Ahh, finally at last something that I don't have to use my time with an image editor to post my crap.
>Which headphones do you own?
ATH-MSR7
AKG K550
V-Moda XS
>Which headphones did you tested in the past?
I have tested every headphone in this store even the shitty ones.
http://www.headphonebar.com/categories/Headphones/
>The ones I like
ATH-M40X
ATH-M70X
DENON AH-MM400
HIFIMAN HE1000
HIFIMAN HE400I
HIFIMAN HE560
NAD HP50
PSB M4U2
SHURE SRH1540
V-MODA M100
HD600 master race, anyone?
>>51229614
Meme died ever since that serious discussion up there.
>>51229598
I was also referring to the clamp force and pads.
>>51229644
>>51229368
>>51229328
>>51228721
>>51227093
The X2 sure is popular nowadays.
>>51229614
I suggest the reader have a look at the Sennheiser HD 600 measurements along side the HE400S as a reference point.
Raw frequency response plots show a gently rising response from 300Hz to 2kHz, and then a 12dB peak at 3.5kHz with subsequent roll-off to baseline level at 10kHz falling somewhat thereafter. This is very close to the Harman target response and the mid-range coherence I heard is likely a result of this profile. The HD 600, by comparison, shows the raw response actually descending between 300Hz and 1kHz—I think this may account for the "Sennheiser veil" so often mentioned early in the lifetime of the HD 600/650.
>>51229675
It's more than six months for sure that /hpg/ suggest them enthusiastically.
>>51229675
It's the new memephones. Glad the glorious AKGs are safe.
>>51229644
stoli in der hand und ich chill
>>51229732
Ganz genau :)
Just bought the Philips SHB9250 for 75€ a few days ago.
In case anyone cares, I'll write down my thoughts on them:
Pros:
+Light weight
+Surprisingly comfortable earpads
+Even comfortable with glasses
+Cool implemented "touch controls"
+Reliable Bluetooth/ NFC connection
+High build quality
+In case the battery runs dry you can just plug in a cable and continue
Cons:
-Just average sound quality in that price range
-Battery lasts 15-16h (others in the same price range get 30h)
>>51230305
>on ears
i've got the Sony 770BN and V-Moda Crossfade Wireless, as well as Sony MW1 to make just about any headphone BT enabled. Unless you really need the portability of on ears, go for something bigger and more comfortable (also better sound).
Thinking of getting the AKG K7XXs
How are they without an amp and just plugged into a laptop? Are there better sounding open headphones in same price range with my shitty setup?
>>51227736
That's interesting.
But I've yet to hear an IEM better than the Etymotic ER-4S for a neutral signature with non-fatiguing treble.
>all dat treble detail without large dips and peaks
>neither veiled or bright
Feels good man.
so it turns out there is arbitrary software limitation on all the lower-end windows phone that disables the equalizer and audio enhancements. but even on the higher-end phones like my new 640, the equalizer and those settings can only be activated if your headphones have smart controls and you use them. regular headphones are locked out of the equalizer, as well as anything wireless.
anyone know any good music players got windows phone or system equalizers? a quick search on the store only reveals stuff that is even worse than the stock eq, with like 4 fucking bands at arbitrary points. even the 7 bands on the system eq is shit because they're at nonsense points. why is this acceptable in 2015? I should just get a dap but I'm kind of tired od carrying around multiple devices when I don't have my backpack with me.
>>51230305
I love philips' mid-range stuff, way more comfortable than audio brands and half the price. Sounds a little worse though.
>>51230342
Senpai please post mention some over ear wireless headphones with good sound quality please.
>>51230484
If you don't want to mess with an amp/dac, just buy a X2 like I did: it grants great music enjoyment and it's basically plug and play. I'm using it on my asus laptop (no special sound card, no special dac) and I seldomly have to raise the volume more than 30% to listen to music very well. The X2 are also great for watching movies/tv series in case you're interested.
>>51230512
Buy a Sansa or any other cheap rockboxable mp3 player.
>>51230654
Has there been rockboxes for any of the more recent MP3 players with better internals and battery life?
>>51228235
thanks family
any idea if these are any good?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-DAC-X6-fever-HiFi-amp-USB-Fiber-Coaxial-Digital-Audio-Decoder-DAC-24BIT-192-Free/32259251491.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/SMSL-SD-793II-DAC-DIR9001-PCM1793-OPA2134-Coax-Optical-Input-Headphone-Amp-B/1694550616.html
hey guys, i have a pair of ath m50x but i don't wear them anymore because they give me acne. can somebody recommend me a good pair of earbuds to listen to on campus and shit.
>>51229675
I like mine, I just wish I didn't have pic related. I don't know if I caused it, or it was Philips quality control. I don't feel like I've been particularly rough on them :(
>Budget
$150-$250 CAN
>Location
Toronto, Canada
>Source
Samsung Galaxy Core, laptop and desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
over ear/on ear, for mobile usage
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
Must be comfortable to walk around with
>Preferred tonal balance
warm, neutral, or bright
>Preferred music
classical, house, classic rock
>Past headphones
Cheap earbuds, nothing over $25, all very shitty
>>51229704
Not any popular thing is necessarily bad, anon-kun...the X2 are a good example of this
>>51230817
Idk dude. The only build flaws that some people reported about the X2 are the silver rings peeling off and the ink coming from the earpads. By looking at the sick colour of your external rings and considering all those scratches, I honestly feel inclined to believe that these are due to you. Maybe you're not realizing you're being too rough with them, or maybe the pair you bought had been used by someone else before.
>>51231099
I did some searching and some ledditors said they had paint flake issues as well. The worst thing I do to them is toss them on my bed when I get out of my chair.
Here's what one guy said:
"I had problems with paint flaking after about a week on mine, along with the peeling silver plastic rings. Replaced them and the new pair did the exact same thing. I sent that pair back for a refund. LOVED the sound but Philips quality control is known for being absolute shit. Maybe they just sent Amazon a bad batch."
>>51230817
I can see them getting scratched with heavy use, that's just what happens to anodized metal, right? but I don't see how they changed color unless the oils on your hands or some shit did that.
>>51230484
there's no monolithic standard for devices really. If you can muster around 1.5 vrms @ 62 ohms with low output impedance, you will be fine in terms of loudness.
Whether or not you have an external amp really is irrelevant. If you have a dac with really low output, even with an amp, there's a possibility that you won't have enough gain. And then there are devices like the macbook pro, that can do 2 vrms with it's built in amp.
Not trying to be a super pedant autist here, but that question is so commonly asked and is meaningless.
>>51231149
Yeah I also read that post on reddit, but I can't tell how reliable it is. However, the fishiest thing about your headphones are those scratches.
>>51231226
Yes and it's also very well known that AKG high-end headphones are hard as fuck to drive.
>>51231171
>>51231235
I used to touch that part to adjust them on my head, but once I saw that I stopped touching them there and use the top part of the headband now. It looks like scrapes in the photo, but it's the finish coming off. It may have been from the oils on my fingers. My hands do get sweaty when I'm working at the computer for a very long period of time, so maybe something in my sweat stripped the finish? You can also see bubbling in the finish in the photo I posted. This leads me to believe my model was finished poorly or there is something wrong with the finish. I do know the rings coming off from around the sides is a known problem for some models.
Alright, I think we can all agree the HD600 are the best sounding hifi headphones.
>No ear rape treble
>actually listen to the track how it was supposedly recorded
>No lowfi headphones like x2 or nigger bass
Why would you get DT880 or x2 over hd600 /hpg/?
Inb4 snapheiser, if you use your senn headphones normally and not overstretch the headband it won't snap. It's made out of hard plastic ofcourse it will snap if it's under too much preasure
>>51231442
What an ancient maymay. Anyway the HE400S is supposed to be the HD600 killer now.
>>51231476
>chink shit
>colored sound
Nope.jpg
>>51231534
I suggest the reader have a look at the Sennheiser HD 600 measurements along side the HE400S as a reference point.
Raw frequency response plots show a gently rising response from 300Hz to 2kHz, and then a 12dB peak at 3.5kHz with subsequent roll-off to baseline level at 10kHz falling somewhat thereafter. This is very close to the Harman target response and the mid-range coherence I heard is likely a result of this profile. The HD 600, by comparison, shows the raw response actually descending between 300Hz and 1kHz—I think this may account for the "Sennheiser veil" so often mentioned early in the lifetime of the HD 600/650.
Are Hifiman RE-400 worth the price? I read they have shit build quality.
my hd600s finally came in the mail. Happy with my purchase. Sound is great for what I listen to which is basically everything besides country.
>>51231652
manhandling your precious things. I'd like to say I feel sorry for you but that would be a lie.
>>51231442
> X2
> lowfi
This statement has no scientifical proof. Opinion discarded.
>>51231736
X2 are low fidelity no matter how you look at it. Doesn't mean they are bad though. X2 are very fun and warm sounding headphones.
>>51231803
Oh how wrong and stupid you sound right now.
>>51226604
>HE-1000 on pic.
>No He-1000 in guide
Why?
>>51230764
bump
>>51231879
Shit fidelity for $3000 and shit build quality.
>>51228798
>nirvana
HOLY SHIT HE'S FINALLY MOVING FROM THE 70S AND 80S INTO THE 90S
WHAT THE FUGGGG
I predict EDM comes next.
>>51231268
I'm not sure you get my point. An amp gives you more voltage, but I can't tell if you need an an amp since I have no idea what voltage you otherwise have.
So the question doesn't make sense. It's like asking for directions to a place without giving the starting address.
>>51231442
>Alright, I think we can all agree the HD600 are the best sounding hifi headphones.
This is well established. Only the shills of other headphones can't accept the truth and spout memes like veil to justify their purchase of their inferior low fidelity headphones.
Literally no reason to get the X2 or DT880 as both are low fidelity trash.
>>51231476
HE400S is not neutral and is low fidelity trash.
>>51232153
>low fidelity trash.
how so?
>>51232215
ah no i meant the others
>>51231854
We both know X2 has master race build quality and comfy but dont have to defend like your life depends on it.
>>51231911
>fidelity
>shit build quality
Proof?
>$3000
Price may drop below, it's correctly the best planar magnetic headphone.
>>51232234
Nice shit graph
>>51232551
>Proof?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE1000.pdf
http://imgur.com/a/DsWJM#C4GLPgu
>it's correctly the best planar magnetic headphone.
Ether is better.
I have the basic monoprice headphones, the sound quality is good enough for me but I feel smothered after half an hour in them...
What is the comfiest headphones g?
>>51232611
akg's with the wide flat strap
>>51232551
>it's correctly the best planar magnetic headphone.
LCD-1?
>>51231643
It sounds alright, but the connector to the earpiece could use some work.
>>51232568
Price?
>>51232568
anything with a disconnectable cord
whats a good earphone from amazon desu lad
>>51232939
read the pastebin
piston 3 if you're a poorfag
Which is more comfortable, the HD600 headband or the HD650 headband? I want to mod the headband of my M50x because the only thing that I dislike about them is that they start to hurt the top of my head pretty soon after putting them on. Here are the two mods I am considering:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/2s6qjr/m50x_hm5_pads_and_hd600_headband_mod/
vs.
>http://www.head-fi.org/t/579875/comfort-mod-hd650-headband-padding-on-the-pro-900
>>51233016
the only good headbands are akg's
return your shit anon
>>51233000
the pastebin recommends the piston 2. is this because it's outdated, or is it actually better than the piston 3?
>>51233000
looking to spend around "value for money" price
>>51233039
The AKG headband looks even less comfortable than the ATH one. It's a piece of metal with almost zero padding.
>>51233065
im talking about the ones with the wide flat plastic or leather headband
>>51227087
I got min from headnhifi.com
Good service and you wont get the ugly decals from epiphany
>>51233137
Are these more expensive than $150? All I'm familiar with is the AKG K553.
>>51233064
audio technica IM50
>>51232611
XPT100
>>51233149
some are some arent
k612s and k702s are over 150
>>51232564
Shit headphone though
>>51233389
>k612
I want closed headphones.
>k702
Too expensive.
Thanks though.
I got my dac/amp combo and my foobar all set up and I installed and configured Equalizer APO.
If this requires foobar to play through DS rather than WASAPI/ASIO, why guides always recommend to set foobar up to play through bit perfect?
Am I missing on something crucial thus leading me to believe bit perfect and Equalizer APO were never meant to work together?
is there any reason to use foobar over winamp?
>>51233525
> ignoring MusicBee
Should I get the HD380s if I will mostly be listening to music on my smartphone on the go?
>>51233525
If you really care enough customization -and not only the ricer kind- there is a foobar addon to do almost anything, but if you don't really need anything of that, no.
>>51233616
dont get headphones for on the go
you'll look like and autist on the train or whatever
get some IEMs
These came in the mail today, my first pair of studio headphones.
Really happy with them so far, they fit my ears very well and the sound is much crispier than what I'm used to.
>>51233716
Why should I care if I look like an autist on the train?
>>51233751
you dont care about how you look even slightly? like what if theres this really cute girl?
>>51233751
Because it's the social norm, you autist
>>51233782
>like what if theres this really cute girl?
I have a girlfriend, so I really couldn't care less.
>>51233721
Are they easy to drive? Because these could be my next closed heapdhones to use with my mp3 player
>>51233797
You could get a new one that isn't a landwhale if you made an effort.
>>51233797
Wow your gf must have high standards
>>51230764
Sorry for the late reply.
The first one you suggested looks pretty good, has enough power, distortion levels are extremely low. Plus it's has all the extras for a nice cost.
>>51230869
DT250
>>51231918
$50 says he's going to listen to Inuit throat singing in the next 20 years.
>>51233436
K550 would like to ask you out.
>>51233716
>>51233751
It's OK to bring the headphones outside, but some of them don't look nice and they make you look like an idiot. I sometimes get triggered if I see one of you ni/g/gers try to bring the reference ones on the bus.
>>51233799
Yes.
>>51233843
>K550 would like to ask you out.
These are about $50 more than I would like to pay and appear to have a thinly padded headband, as well.
What's a good case for the M50x?
>>51233950
a trash can
Do headphones usually go on sale during Black Friday?
>>51234047
Yes
>>51233938
They're not as bad as people think, terms of comfort. I could even wear them for up to 6 hours, not a problem but it does get sweaty. I guess it will be a problem someone's head is bigger then mine.
>>51233950
your mom knitting you a cotton bag
>>51234047
Yeah, but on those popular brands I guess they're doing it to get rid of the inventory.
>>51234059
>>51234110
So do you think there's a good chance that the M50x could drop lower than $140?
>>51233843
>DT250
well over my price range in canadian $
>tfw oil prices
>>51233016
HD650 has a slight edge IMO. Can't go wrong with either headband.
>>51234226
>>51234226
Thanks, I think I'll go with that one.
>>51234204
Or you can buy the M40x.
>>51234257
learn to read
>yfw audophiles spend thousands on gear that sounds worse than an iPhone 5
http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/iphone-5/audio-quality.htm
>>51234265
I like the "nigger bass."
>>51230869
ath-msr7
>>51234361
More power to you then.
>>51234208
rip.
M40X/DT770 (they look ridiculous outside)
>>51234345
Those kind of people are idiots still. However a sanza or anything Rockboxable would be perfect enough and cheaper.
>>51234435
Canadia-tard here, I have to pay $344 for those. The tax is real.
>>51234503
>would be perfect enough and cheaper.
not measurably
Do Piston 3s sound better than Apple EarPods?
>>51234538
yes imo
>>51234503
get them from amazon.com using a freight forwarder
shouldn't be more than 300 cad unless you get ASSFUCKED by customs
>>51234538
Yes.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/XiaomiPiston3.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AppleiPodEarBudssampleA.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AppleiPodEarBudsampleB.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AppleEarPods.pdf
>>51234604
did tyll fuck up the earpod measurements? they sounded really bassy to me
>>51234519
http://nwavguy.blogspot.ca/2011/02/sansa-clip-measured.html?m=1
Would agree too, but it still does its job. Even an iPod classic would work too.
>>51234599
Once it hits in the mail, It will always be ASSFUCKED by custom no matter what.
>>51233486
Use a VST-based EQ and VST wrapper. Let me look up which I use as a wrapper.
WASAPI direct is troublesome.
>>51233049
Somewhat dated. Piston 3 is newer.
>>51234641
It's hard to tell.
HR shows the same thing, but GE shows them as being bassy.
http://en.goldenears.net/12850
I'm guessing there's more than one type of Apple earpods.
Got these bad boys and liking them so far. My first pair of headphones from IEMs. The sound quality is brilliant. From what I heard and from my friend the comfort is good too. But the ear pads arent?? My ears get way too hot wearing these. Am I wearing them wrong or...? I'm pretty sure my ears go inside the holes...
>>51233016
HD 650 is a bit better. It has a nice little notch right at the top for the padding too so there's really no weight distribution at that point.
>>51234839
>Am I wearing them wrong or...? I'm pretty sure my ears go inside the holes...
Nah, all velvet ear pads are supposed to make you warm. If you don't like them try swapping them for leather ones.
>>51234538
Yes. EarPods are good for speech and that's about it. They are poor fidelity in absolute terms but for earbuds they are excellent. IEMs like Piston 3 generally have much better fidelity all around than any earbud.
Should I buy the DT880s and EQ to remove the treble rape, or should I buy the HD600s and EQ to remove the veil?
>>51234981
If you're going to EQ the headphones you only have to make the choice between build quality or removable cables.
>>51234955
Are they better than Piston 3s for speech?
>>51234948
Thanks. And damn really? It seemed like everything I read up on it, you could pretty much forget they were on your head. I thought it was just my overly sensitive ears or how I'm wearing it.
I could try leather though. Do Sennheiser make them? I don't think the warmness is that comfortable at all, as I have to keep taking breaks between listening to stuff. It doesn't seem natural at all.
I'm looking to buy the new A-T ATH-r70x. They are 470 Ohms though, so i'm looking for a good amp for them. I've been looking at the ifi Ican Micro. Anyone have any input to offer?
Pics related
>>51234890
Alright, thanks for the info, man. I think I'll go with those.
>>51234839
No, you feel warm because the Sennheiser's earpads are shit. Throw your headphones to the dogs and buy yourself a pair of X2 for superior comfort and quality. Next time don't listen to Senshills in this thread.
>>51235090
>Anyone have any input to offer?
Yes. Don't buy stuff that hasn't been measured.
>>51235058
No. Speech generally doesn't extend much on the frequency response spectrum so having IEMs that could play a wider spectrum of frequencies than in normal human speech simply won't benefit you. The very mid-centric nature of earbuds means you only heard a certain range of frequencies. You will not hear everything in a full band stereo music but you will hear speech just fine.
>>51235144
There are measurements of the R70X and it looks like HD 650 with much more midbass.
As for the amp I agree. O2 or Magni 2.
>>51235181
>There are measurements of the R70X
Where? I would like to see them.
I want to listen to music on the go but I really don't want IEMs, any suggestions lads?
>>51235090
Follow up question, is there a headphone preamp that take XLR in/out so i can put it in the middle of my setup? up to 470 ohms, and that doesn't break the bank?
>>51235283
>but I really don't want IEMs
why?
>>51235258
It doesn't really tell me anything unless I have graphs from the same site to compare it to.
>>51235299
Problems with my ears
>>51235283
Wise choice, IEMs are shit. Buy a pair of AKG K518.
>>51235323
It's a DF equalized measurement.
http://www.hometheater(dot)co
.il/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=2
There's the audio category of articles on that website. Plenty of headphones measured. I'm browsing through them myself atm.
>>51234739
I believe the earpod were the newer model that didn't have that super basic in-ear design llke the ones photod on GE's page
HR probably measured pic related
>Budget
250$
>Location
Europe
>Source
ZTE Axon
>Preferred type of headphone
Over, but I want to commute with them.
>Open or closed
closed, but I want good sound when outside.
>Comfort level
8/10
>Preferred tonal balance
warm
>Past headphones
K518 and Aurvana live 1.0
>>51235358
Even with DF equalization those graphs look off:
http://www.hometheater(DOOT)co.il/article06374.html
http://www.hometheater(DOOT)co.il/article06183.html
why are there so few audiophiles on /g/?
are we snake oil general?
>>51234839
Mine is pretty cool, it's open and my ears don't touch anything.
Not to mention the sound is top tier, I heard the HD650 and HD800 side by side and I prefer the HD598, the HD600 is on par and if not better but is priced higher so I felt it wasn't worth it.
>>51235597
You won't find a place more audiophile than /hpg/ when it comes to headphones.
How are they off?
LEL-8: http://www.hometheater(doot)co.il/article06484.html
LCD-X:
http://www.hometheater(doot)co.il/article06595.html
The M70X measurement in the same article as R70X looked normal too.
>>51235597
Define an audiophile.
>>51235090
Does anyone know how the R70Xs compare to the HD600s? Do they have more treble? More open soundstage?
>>51235704
>How are they off?
The PM-3 measurements are showing heavily recessed upper mids and that's definitely not the case.
Urbanite XL show up as being way more bassy than they really are and the upper mid dip also looks a bit over the top.
>>51234981
HD600.
![the-most-expensive-headphones-in-the-world-just-got-a-modern-makeover-and-will-cost-55000[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QWILpsw.jpg "the-most-expensive-headphones-in-the-world-just-got-a-modern-makeover-and-will-cost-55000[1]")
Jus ordered my Orpheus
>>51232608
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE1000.pdf
http://imgur.com/a/DsWJM#C4GLPgu
Okey quality isn't look good for 3000$ in this photo, any official answer?
>Ether is better.
>Efficiency: 95dB/mW
>Impedance: 23 ohms
>Frequency response: 15-18KHz, +/-3dB
How about "NO"?
>>51232819
>LCD-1
>Frequency Response: 20 Hz – 20 KHz
>Sensitivity: 96 dB, 1 mW
>Impedance: 40 Ohms
No man, just no, stop smoke your shit everyday.
Only new Audeze EL-8 can compete with HE-1000 in price/quality https://www.audeze.com/products/el-8-collection/
>>51235597
>why are there so few audiophiles on /g/
They're made fun here. Mostly listening to their gear, because they don't know how to use their EQs.
>are we snake oil general?
More like anti-snake oil general
>>51235704
The (L)EL-8 are dark as hell kind of headphones, avoid at all costs.
The LCD-X are not bad but you could get something better that kind of money.
>Why are those websites are in Hebrew?
JIDF please go
>>51236051
>opting for a marble transistor amplifier that also "combines to perfection the advantages of a tube amplifier."
Godspeed anon, godspeed.
>>51231294
I literally wear thin fingerless gloves when I use my computer most of the time to stop my mouse and wrist rest from becoming disgusting from sweat.
>>51235137
Hell no. The X2s are more than double the price of the 598S in the UK. I doubt it would be that much more comfortable. And couldn't you be a Philips shill too desu?
>>51235603
Yeah. I'm guessing mine is open too lol. I haven't actually seen closed headphones properly irl so I don't know what is actually different in the builds between the two, just know that open leaks sound but has a better soundstage. I don't know how open headphones are more 'open' in terms of their design, and how that makes them more comfortable.
My ears sort of touch the pads but are mainly in the middle of the holes too. I do have big ears though so that could be a factor. I think the sound is super though mhm, just that the comfort wasn't as good as I expected it to be.
>>51236151
Could you please lurk for more than 4 hours before posting?
>>51236189
I think sennheiser knows more then u bro.
their Og Orpheus still sells for $30,000 on ebay
>>51236151
What the fuck are you on about? Where did you pull those specs?
>>51236189
Yeah I was just posting some graphs there. By no means would I ever even consider those headphones.
>>51235946
>Oppo
That's exactly how they seem to measure everywhere.
>Urbanite XL
The magnitude seems a bit off yes.
>>51236275
http://www.businessinsider.com/new-sennheiser-orpheus-headphones-cost-about-55000-2015-11
>I think sennheiser knows more then u bro.
lel. They're actually mixing marbles with the tubes you know, that's snake oil maximus.
>>51236339
>That's exactly how they seem to measure everywhere.
The upper mids aren't the slightest bit recessed on IF.
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/OppoPM3.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/OppoPM3SampleC.pdf
>>51236409
They are. Maybe the spacing of the frequency range and the different target curves are throwing you off. The ID target has less aggressive rise in the upper mids.
>>51236232
>Lurk for more than 4 hours before posting?
What I should lurk?
>>51236339
>What the fuck are you on about?
HE-1000 competitor.
>Where did you pull those specs?
Head-Fi + official site.
>>51236051
I really want somebody to buy one of these and post a picture on them plugging it into an o2 just to trigger head-fi.
>>51236469
Look at the raw data. The upper mids aren't recessed maybe except for a bit between 4 kHz and 5 kHz.
>>51236533
of them*
>>51236339
>Yeah I was just posting some graphs there. By no means would I ever even consider those headphones.
It's alright. I can't read this rock language anyway, my /pol/ side just got triggered a bit.
Whatever floats your boat.
/hpg/ what is the poorfag's dac?
>>51236603
motherboard or phone
you mean amp? why is it all the time noobs say i want a dac
>>51236544
Apply the DF target to the raw data. DF target has a much steeper rise in the upper mids than the PM3 has in raw response thus making the DF equalized graph show roll off.
>>51236482
Bait.
>>51236533
plugging it into a rockboxed sansa clip+ now
>>51236638
the guide says you only need an amp if you have volume issues
>>51236727
because if you're a poorfag you should be budgeting everything for a headphone first dacs only make it 1% better, the headphone you should get is one that doesn't require an amp if you're poor
>>51236683
The rise from 300 Hz to 3 kHz on IF's PM-3 measurement is 14 dB. That's 2 dB short of the DF target curve.
The difference between 300 Hz and 3 kHz on the Jewish site is around 6 dB, making it another 4 dB short of the target curve.
>>51236683
>Bait.
Oh... How interesting...
>>51236957
It's blatantly obvious from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about. Ignorance like that rarely gets here while being vocal hence people thinking you are baiting.
Impedance and power requirements for a given SPL are unrelated to fidelity. Frequency response range without a graph is meaningless. It's even more meaningless when you get your specs off the manufacturer's sites or especially Head-Fi.
>>51228005
>>51227957
Etys aren't even flat, they bright nobass shit
>>51237028
So do you mean your useless graphic from obvious incompetence source without "canonical line" has any sense?
>>51237178
I wasn't the one who posted that but yes, measurements are the only way you can somehow quantify and compare fidelity. Our ears are terrible instruments for measuring anything and subjective impressions of sound quality are almost worthless fluff because of it. Our hearing is inherently biased in many ways. Manufacturer specs are pretty much always incomplete, inaccurate or even falsified and Head-Fi is a snake oil heaven(excluding sound science forum). Learn how to read measurements and learn what matters in audio.
>>51236051
What's the warranty on those?
>>51231442
the hd600 is muddy, veiled, and lacking in bass.
"fidelity" is not an argument and has become a buzzword. how much total deviation from a subjective target there is doesn't matter as much as where those deviations are, as long as both headphones are not wildly off the target. the hd600 has it's deviations in the worst places, especially in the bass and midrange.
>>51237457
forever
>>51233049
most of the pastebins are outdated/shitty
>>51234641
they sound bassy because there is a hump in the midbass, and because the design creates a semi-seal. so they sound "thick" to inexperienced listeners. they have no fucking extension whatsoever in the bass. and overall they sound congested and lacking in detail. earbuds are shit by design, even the best don't sound as good as the $7 hje-120k. having the ability to make a seal, even a shallow one makes a huge difference.
>>51235069
no, he's trolling you. the opposite is true. maybe you're wearing them backwards? they're comfy as fuck for me and never give me that warm, confined feel that some pleather pads can give.
>>51237281
>Our ears are terrible instruments for measuring anything and subjective impressions of sound quality are almost worthless fluff because of it.Our hearing is inherently biased in many ways.
TL;DR
At first pass hearing test when you know your diagnosis, go to choose headphone.
>Learn how to read measurements and learn what matters in audio.
Conformity to the original audio source.
>>51237062
Measurements state otherwise. They aren't bright and produce a flat bass output.
They are objectively the highest fidelity IEMs that money can buy.
>>51238149
every measurement I have seen show the bass rolling off even before 100hz and usually with an emphasis on the upper mids around 2k. exactly what you would expect from a hearing aid.
>>51238236
>>51238236
>>51238236
NEW THREAD
>>51238223
http://clarityfidelity.blogspot.ca/2015/08/etymotic-research-er-4s-iem.html
lrn 2 proper df measurements
Does EQing make all similarly priced headphones sound the same? Or are there specific characteristics that the headphones retain even after EQing? Can it make muddy headphones stop sounding muddy?
>>51238261
sorry but measurements from fucking blogs and forums belong in the trash
>>51234701
>>51234503
Daily reminder that all the good Sansa players are selling at 100+ USD
I bought an 8gig Clip + for $57/€53. How did I do?
I know you guys generally hate gaming headsets but is the HyperX Cloud II worth it? I've heard good things about it. Have some cookie cutter ATH-M50s myself but my friend really wants a mic integrated into the headset (Yeah iunno).
![apple-earbuds-300x293[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uJnvXfG.jpg "apple-earbuds-300x293[1]")
