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Where will you be on 2015-03-02, the exact day that consoles become obsolete?
Old thread >>46740483
http://store.steampowered.com/universe/
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse
http://schedule.gdconf.com/session/glnext-the-future-of-high-performance-graphics-presented-by-valve
>>46756306
Is there a way to reserve a server spot? I bet it will take two fucking days to download.
>>46756348
Download what?
You can download SteamOS already
http://repo.steampowered.com/download/
>>46756348
You mean for a SteamOS image?
>>46756399
Unless he actually wants to download Steam Controller
>Source 2 is opengl
Smirking_Carmack.jpg
>>46756435
He probably could, heh. 3D print that shit.
>>46756306
Valve should help the Mesa devs with this. This would be a GREAT opportunity for them (and, in particular for AMD and Intel) to have an awesome gaming experience with the open source driver.
>>46756464
can't print haptic touchpads, niggra.
So what exactly is steam OS. I haven't been paying attention.
why would you continue from the old thread, especially since the garbage steamos was blown out by reality?
fuck off drone
>>46756535
It's customized Debian. Most of non-critical stuff thrown out, graphics drivers and Steam thrown in.
Boots straight into Big Picture unless you are l33t h4x0r and go to settings to change that.
>>46756520
Yes, but chances are this will be the most open controller in history so far.
Maybe you can print your own encasing.
>>46756561
But where will you be?
>>46756571
So if it's linuix based, you can't play windows only games with it, right?
A different OS won't make games worth playing appear
>>46756610
There is solution to that problem:
If you have Windows PC, stream game from there. If not, you can buy license for Windows and install it on SteamBox
But because you are not retarded you will download it form evil illegal torrents.
Valve chose Linux because MS could go full-walled-garden any time now, and since it's free-as-in-beer, your device is less expensive and therefore more people buy it.
>>46756306
>glnext
> microsoft just announced directx12 that can combine nvidia and amd cards in the same pc
> directx12 shows improvements of up to 80% in light rendering
sure glnext is going to be awesome, right guys?
the quesiton is, when will we start seeing viruses for linux ?
>>46756821
never
this steamOS shit is never going to take off
why would any person with common sense want to play 10% of his steam library instead of 100% of it?
>>46756306
Is that 3rd-Feb or Mar-02nd?
>>46756844
March
>>46756751
This.
Of course you can multiboot and enjoy both OS. Why limit yourself? Take what you want and feast!
>>46756838
>10%
>>46756473
readon drivers are now the only reason I haven't switched. Going from 6x native on pcsx2 to chugging at native is just ass.
>>46756306
A VR set nobody will ever use
An OS nobody will ever use
A controller nobody will buy
>>46756838
>implying normalfags and dudebros possess common sense
Also Android will never take off, there is just not enough companies supporting it, and nobody will develop for different screen sizes. Maybe they will make some good changes in upcoming Android 2.2
>>46756930
Since you see to the future, can you please give lottery numbers for next week?
I had the money saved for a Steambox for over a year after they started their stupid "coming soon!! JK!" bull fucking shit.
Gabe lost my money for taking too fucking long to release anything and being dishonest about when shit will be released.
>>46756930
>Half-Life 3 announced as Linux-exclusive
>suddenly 10 million people install SteamOS to play it
>>46757100
this is quite genius actually
>>46756873
68 games is less than 10% of my steam library
what's your point?
are you trying to argue that if I go steamOS, I will have an advantage in the number of games I can play?
are you arguing that 10% is inaccurate?
even if it is, why are you defending that less is better than more?
>>46757091
>being dishonest about when shit will be released.
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
>>46756997
you're saying that uddenly my 1000 games in my steam library will magically work on steamos?
no?
then why would I ever want to use it?
the only real reason to stop using windows, is if microsoft fucks up big time
>>46756930
oh id buy the controller, just as long as its comfy and "works"
i might install SteamOS on my old PC and give it to my lil bro
>>46757131
the situation isn't THAT bad, and it's getting better. It's massively better than mac, even, in some cases.
>>46757236
how is the situation better in any way?
how is less games better than more games?
what if the game I want to play now is not ported to linux?
what if the game I want to play in 3 month isn't ported to linux?
WHY would I limit myself to less games, when the choice of more games exists?
dude, start to use logic and stop being a linux fanboy just for the sake of being a linux fanboy.
steamOS only helps valve, and only in the case that Microsoft goes walled garden
This is, in no way, a good thing for the users, or for the developers
>>46757279
Didn't you hear anon, all you have to do is buy a separate Windows computer, that way you can play all of those amazing Linux exclusives, and then you can STREAM all of those garbage Windows exclusives to your Linux machine!
Why wouldn't you want to do that?
>>46757279
>>46757161
>>46757131
If you are okay with using Windows, you'll never see a point in games being available on another platforms man.
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t-this the y-year gg-guys
it's going to happen, it HAS to happen, r-right?
>>46757326
well, something reasonable came out of your mouth
>>46757352
I'm not him.
>>46757357
then no wonder it was reasonable...
>>46757326
this was always mostly just in case MS went full appstore.
the living room PC gaming is nice, too.
>>46757369
>>46757376
is who you were talking to. stop acting like I'm another idiot.
>glNext
oh for fuck sake couldnt they have picked a better name.
>>46757376
Yeah, I like the living room PC idea as well.
I use GNU/Linux for everything I can but have to boot Windows if I want to play certain games. Of course I want to be able to play all games on GNU/Linux.
Having a usable (read accurate, better) controller to chill on a couch / bed to play some games on an actual non-gimped computer would be very nice and is not possible up to now (unless you consider PS / Xbox controllers usable or like to have your keyboard on your lap.)
People who are completely satisfied with either traditional consoles or pure gaming with M&KB on a desk with Windows will never see a reason for something else. Many seem to have this kind of defeatist attitude that nothing else should come forth.
I really like gaming with M&KB but this living room + real computer niche has yet to be filled.
>>46757442
Isn't that just codename?
>>46757321
Fuk dat, I'd run Windows in a VM.
I do that anyway.
>>46756306
why would I want that when I already have steam on my computer, plus all the pirated games and blizzy games I want.
>>46758351
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom
http://store.steampowered.com/bigpicture
should be enough information for you to find out to what it's trying to appeal
>>46758422
I have my mATX build hooked up to my tv and can play anything I want on it. Why do I need to buy that shit?
>>46758473
You obviously don't want to know since you didn't read the links or the thread.
>>46758508
yeah you got me there
>>46757161
It's possible if it takes off. All of the multi-plats work with openGL since that's what Playstation uses.
Why would anyone use SteamOS in the living room instead of Windows? There's literally no reason. Even Valve can't provide one.
>>46758692
It's not Windows, lol.
>>46758806
My point exactly. There's no *actual* reason for it.
>>46758829
If you love Windows.
>>46758842
If you love playing video games rather. As a games machine it will always be worse with linux.
>>46758692
The point is to get support for games on Linux, and take away the reliance on Windows for PC gaming, so Linux is a viable PC gaming platform.
>>46756610
Dual boot it.
Stream from a windows box
Install wine or wine-staging and play most windows only games.
>>46757442
Like opengl 5?
glNext i think may have been chosen due to similarities with the gl function naming scheme. glCamelCaseSomething
>>46758995
i know. my question still stands.
>>46756306
>Where will you be on 2015-03-02, the exact day that consoles become obsolete?
At your mother's house, playing wif 'er scrabble bits if ya know wh't I mean.
>>46756391
yeah too bad the installation system doesnt even let you partition and formats evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
>>46759044
intruder detected
gtfo console fag. /g/ isnt for your kind
>>46759037
Most of the tards that will be buying this don't even know what Linux is, so that question is invalid for them, they're just buying the new steam game console.
I personally hope as many people buy it as possible.
>>46759086
Nah I'm just taking the piss m8.
I'll be watching the see what Valve does, maybe it'll be better than SteamOS is now.
Also,
>gtfo console fag. /g/ isnt for your kind
You should probably gtfo yourself, vidya games are for MANCHILDREN and NEETs, /g/ is about serious business - like mobile os wars.
>>46759140
>Most of the tards that will be buying this don't even know what Linux is, so that question is invalid for them
exactly. All that matters for them is:
>Will this play all my games *and* play them at the best possible frame rate
windows will always be better for this, so that's what they'll always want.
>>46758692
Microsoft has been slowly dropping their media center support for a while now. Consoles are pretty gimped media player wise. Valve has a chance to come in with a full media center solution that includes games which is what many HTPC users want.
You're right, consoles are fucking dead lmao. Can't wait to play Bayonetta and Smash Bros on a superior Steam Box.
>>46759180
>Microsoft has been slowly dropping their media center support for a while now.
All that needs to happen is for windows to launch steam in big picture mode on boot up. This is piss easy to do, and is a better solution than SteamOS for anyone who just cares about playing their favourite games.
>>46759190
Even if you're just pretending to be from /v/ it isn't really funny.
>>46759205
This is true. Even with the SteamOS thing and Steam Machines numbers wont change much, and developers often dont consider making their games run natively for the 1% that linux users are.
>>46759205
That's now. If Valve plans to expand SteamOS as a full media center solution it's not going stay that way. Windows is not outfitted for full remote/controller use. MCE is but that has no games and like I said Microsoft hasn't updated it in ages. They will probably drop it altogether soon.
>>46759245
>That's now.
yes, yes it is
>But what is all this other shit happens that valve never said they'd do, then things would be different!
yes anon, i suppose they would
>>46759174
They won't compare this to Windows, they will compare it to other consoles.
>>46759280
>>But what is all this other shit happens that valve never said they'd do, then things would be different!
That hurt to read
Also Valve has said they want to open it up to Music and Movies so I don't know how to interpret it any other way honestly.
>>46759324
yes, but if they choose to use a steam machine, they'll always choose a windows based one because it will always be better.
>Also Valve has said they want to open it up to Music and Movies
well if they can do something that really compelling and only implement it on linux, then who knows. right now there's no advantage to it for gamers.
>>46759354
>they'll always choose a windows based one because it will always be better.
reposting this from last thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eab2UI1Iq2w#t=260
>>46759354
you can already try their beta movie streaming feature with the "free to play" movie
its interesting how valve are making stuff in a lot of different fields
>>46759388
>one game
>one gpu model
yeah, GPU drivers are still a big issue on linux. Most are not well optimised, and most games are not optimised for linux. Windows is always going to be better overall for the time being +plus run games that don't run on linux at all.
At least Steam is being more open than nVidia when it comes to "consoles"
nVidia SHIELD controller needs you to have the GeForce Experience driver in order to be used on your PC wich is just dumb.
>>46759448
You said always, there's a case and it has already happened. It's only going to improve from now on.
>>46756306
>>46756306
Not interested in even more Steam. Steam is an insidious DRM system. I avoid when I can.
>>46759500
sure it will improve, but when will it surpass windows? I can't see a time in the reasonably near future where all games are equally as likely to work on linux as they are on windows, and on average run just as well or better on linux, with all GPU's. Even if that happens old classic windows games will always only run on windows, except for maybe messing with stuff like wine. There just seems to be loads of things that need to be fixed before that can happen, and before then gamers will just prefer to use windows because it works better for games.
>>46759448
guy has more videos, not all games are better but the ones that are seem to have a significant leap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pdEftFFG_I
>>46756306
>/v/
Get the fuck out of /g/ you gaymer faggots
>>46759448
>always going to be better overall for the time being
>>46759569
yeah. its just that most people wont switch to linux if they see that "X" game doesn't run natively on it. and not everyone wants to set up wine to play their favorite games or have dual boot
>>46759627
As somebody who has logged like hundreds of hours on steam in-home streaming, any game that only runs on windows will run great over wifi
>>46759565
It's too early to tell, depends on how many developers will jump on. Valve releasing some games will help but who knows when that will be. I want to say soon since Source2 leaks have happened but I don't want to get my hopes up.
>>46759627
Problem is you're comparing this to Windows when consoles are the main competitor. If Valve gets a good line up of games they'll already have current gen consoles beat.
>>46757442
It's not the final name
AMD will ruin SteamOS by never providing functional Linux drivers.
>>46759656
>Problem is you're comparing this to Windows when consoles are the main competitor
This. Steam boxes are launching with over 1,800 titles available. Has any console ever had 1,800 titles at EOL?
>>46759647
you know most people dont even know what in-home streaming is. this isnt a thing the mainstream will get into
>>46759656
consoles a competitor? heh it took them 8 years to release new gen, consoles are obviously dying. Now we have "little PCs" that serve the same purpose and if the marketing for this gets better we will see more and more in the future (SteamOS, nVidia SHIELD, OUJA)
>>46759697
what kind of mental gymnastics does a steam baby have to go through?
no one in their right mind actually thinks these are competing with consoles. console users dont have one reason to give a flying fuck about this. and no, they really dont; controllers are useless in basically every game since there is no aim assists, and multiplayer is 99% useless since there are no controller only servers.
oh wait, you are saying just use a keyboard and mouse? well then i will kindly tell you to go fuck yourself because these people would be better off buying a normal prebuilt.
these things are a fucking joke and >>46759699
just reaffirms how fucking delusional steamdrones are
>>46759737
I've been playing Steam games with a controller on my TV on my couch for years, it's awesome
>>46759699
>consoles a competitor?
Yes, do you really not realize people don't want a Windows machine running in their living room? Even setting a startup mode is too much for many people. Consoles are supposed to appeal to children that have no computer skills as well.
/g/ is completely ignorant of how computer illiterate most of the world is.
>>46759754
no, it isnt. and no console user is going to give up the aim assisted current control schemes just for MUH GRAFIX MUH FREEDOMS.
and again, online play is usless in anything but a flight/racing game, which narrows down your selection of line games to like fucking 4.
well i guess platformers and other indie stuff counts as well, but no one cares about that shit
>>46759754
I will second this, I actually haven used a mouse/kb for a year now. I'd rather relax on the couch.
>>46759783
Do you not realize that games still have aim assist when a controller is plugged in on PC?
>>46759783
>>46759764
You could easily buy one with windows + steam big picture mode set up already.
>>46759783
>>46759737
Are you talking about the steam controller?
>>46759812
No large name provider would do that. Also what if you run into issues? You're still dealing with Windows. SteamOS is supposed to be a simple solution.
>>46759783
>no, it isnt. and no console user is going to give up the aim assisted current control schemes just for MUH GRAFIX MUH FREEDOMS.
Not everyone is some autistic faggot that only cares about competitive play. In fact most aren't. This isn't for them obviously.
>>46759845
>No large name provider would do that.
Why not? Their happy enough to install any amount of malware on your machine already. If they care enough to design and sell steam machines, they'll care to install windows on them.
>Also what if you run into issues?
Then you fix them, like when you run into issues on your PC.
Hey, what happens when you run into issues on Steam OS?
>>46759876
Because it's backwards for many reasons. No one is going to pay for a windows license to run 1 program for one. It's not going to happen. You trying to shoehorn it in to try to support your half assed argument isn't going to change it.
>what happens when you run into issues on Steam OS?
Same thing you'd probably do with consoles, I wouldn't know since I've never dealt with an issue like that on a console. Probably wait for an update. Issues with Windows are much more extensive since it's a full desktop solution.
>>46759876
>Then you fix them, like when you run into issues on your PC.
Again
>/g/ is completely ignorant of how computer illiterate most of the world is.
I shouldn't need to repeat this.
>>46759820
no, i am talking about any controller.
>>46759802
which games are those? which games provide controller only multiplayer servers?
>>46759860
well if this is for steam users, you might have to rethink your statement, since the top 10 games being played would all suck balls on a controller. well skyrim probably would be fine, football manager i dont know since its kind of a weird genre. and those top 10 games on the stats list account for more than the majority of people playing
>>46759805
"You are wrong in having fun."
kek
>>46759954
>well if this is for steam users, you might have to rethink your statement, since the top 10 games being played would all suck balls on a controller
This is to expand the market retard. Why is this so hard for you to understand? They've already cornered the PC market obviously.
>>46759954
I think you shouldn't generalise "controllers" then. We know about the PS and Xbox controllers but not how the steam controller will be in terms of accuracy.
>>46759954
>which games are those?
Last played FC4 and it had an aim assist option
>which games provide controller only multiplayer servers?
Never said any did but you can see for my response to that >>46759860
>>46759805
>>46759960
I hope you have never complained about how console players enjoy playing on consoles, because that would make you a giant tool.
>>46760001
I don't fit in with /v/'s culture no
Maybe you should go argue over there.
>>46759981
Expand the market to what? Don't try to act like being 'competitive' has anything to do with this. Most of the console games people would move to either don't exist or their PC counterparts would provide the same problems. You have yet to bring any valid points to why console players should care.
>>46759988
Revision after revision, and the people who use it always says it isn't anything special.
>>46760000
It's cure how if someone wants to play multiplayer that makes them autistic and competitive. How else will you avoid the point?
>>46760037
>You have yet to bring any valid points to why console players should care.
Cheaper games, more indi titles, better hardware, friends that play on steam, etc
I mean really there's a bunch of reasons. Are you even trying?
>>46760037
>How else will you avoid the point?
What did I avoid? I never said there were console servers. Why are you avoiding the point that most people don't care? Why do you think games are becoming more and more casualized?
>>46760075
But their friends already play on consoles. And if they actually cared they would have already owned a prebuilt/laptop to accomplish the same thing. Cheaper games is hit or miss, since if you buy your games new at release when you want to play them the difference is marginal. And indie titles could be argued in both directions.
Better hardware? Again, if these people cared about their graphics they would have already purchased a prebuilt.
>>46760103
>console
controller*
>>46760103
Wanting to play a game online has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore, if you think for a second someone is going to bother playing controller vs kb/mouse you are delusional.
>>46760110
>But their friends already play on consoles.
Says who?
>And if they actually cared they would have already owned a prebuilt/laptop to accomplish the same thing.
Gaming on a laptop when they have a TV? No. People do use prebuilts on TVs either.
>>46760001
Look, I can't enjoy traditional controllers on consoles. I would like to be able to enjoy them, but I can't. Good for others that they can.
He finds it awesome to use a controller with steam games. "no, it isn't" is just you saying that you can't enjoy it, fine.
Who says that aim assist will even be needed (or exist) when there's the steam controller that's not out yet?
I'd just say we don't know yet.
>>46760037
>Revision after revision, and the people who use it always says it isn't anything special.
So you don't know. Let's wait for it to come out.
>>46760127
>Wanting to play a game online has nothing to do with being casual or hardcore
Never said that bud. Caring about the differences in skill because of KB/M and controller is. No one cares.
>>46760127
>going to bother playing controller vs kb/mouse you are delusional.
Plenty of people have asked for PC/console cross servers in the past. People would rather play with friends than give a shit about controllers being a limiting factor. In fact many console players are in denial that controllers are worse even.
>>46760140
What the fuck do you mean 'says who'? If they cared about playing with their friends on PC, they would already be fucking doing it. That means their friends would either be able to build one for them or provide the proper means to get one, how the fuck could you not understand something like this?
>>46760165
No, you are trying to move the goalposts and talking about someone being hardcore when it has nothing to do with this. Playing a game on the same level playing field is not being 'hardcore', its called actually having the ability to enjoy the game.
>>46757100
I wouldn't even be mad. I hope they do this.
>>46760201
>If they cared about playing with their friends on PC, they would already be fucking doing it.
Because everyone has had the same case as you? I know for a fact back in high school I had friends that I could only play on consoles with.
> That means their friends would either be able to build one for them or provide the proper means to get one, how the fuck could you not understand something like this?
God you're clueless. Online friends don't usually live in the same state bro. You do have friends right?
>>46757100
they already said they wouldn't
>>46760234
HL is a cult game, not exactly a wildly popular game. I played HL2 cause it was the in-thing. It was okay.
>>46760201
>No, you are trying to move the goalposts and talking about someone being hardcore when it has nothing to do with this.
I never said anything about being "hardcore" bud.
>its called actually having the ability to enjoy the game.
Yeah, for you, which isn't most people who couldn't give two shits. God can you just kill yourself already. Your opinion doesn't account for everyone. I wouldn't personally use a controller vs a kb/m either but at least I see that I'm a minority.
>>46757100
fuck I hope they do this, as long as they fix the god damn drivers for amd on linux'
>>46760247
My bets are on PC exclusive but will be fully optimized for SteamOS/Linux. For the best framerates you won't want to play on Windows.
>>46760285
THIS, SO MUCH OF THIS.
On my old PC my Sapphire HD 3650 isnt even supported. Works with propietary drivers but gives the wierdest glitches you can imagine.
>>46756399
I would immediately pre-order the steam controller if it looked more like this.
The extra buttons are easily reachable from the touchpads and seeing as the touchpad can function close to an analog stick it seems better to replace it with a d-pad for menus and 2d games.
>>46757100
Fuck, I didn't even think about. HL3 will launch alongside their SteamOS.
>>46760598
get real. HL3 is a joke and its getting pretty old. L4D3 is whats coming.
>>46760581
I could really see those extra buttons. The more the better.
Concerning a dpad: I think it really depends on the game how important it would be.
I don't know how important a real analog stick is, but if it is it's probably prioritised over a dpad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dm7kEw1IBY
leaks and stuff
>>46760581
I really think they should have just made two controllers instead of trying to fit every usage scenario into one.
Make one simple controller that's cheap and then make another more complex with the trackpads.
>>46760650
But the touchpads tilt do they not? It might take a little getting used to but it would be a nice middleground between wasd and analog.
Meanwhile I really can't see myself playing anything 2d without a dpad. I also personally like navigating menus with one more because I overshoot less.
>>46760680
Yeah but that opens pandoras box for "here's your controller, sorry it's the only other one" and the hell that was the wii with it's 80 different controllers.
>>46760665
TL;DR
couple of pictures of an email account shows Source 2 being ported to older valve releases and leaked slideshow shows a L4D2 reworked level on source2 thats supposedly from L4D3
>>46757062
I can tell you the Powerball number for this Friday will be one of the following:
09
17
29
07
12
Telling you anything more would get me killed.
If any anon wants to call me out on this, go ahead and screencap this, report back Friday.
>>46760691
I'm not sure. They seem to have these modes though (pic).
>>46760691
>Yeah but that opens pandoras box for "here's your controller, sorry it's the only other one"
Rather that then something that's a jack of all trades and master of none. With SteamVR being a thing we're going to see a bunch of different input devices anyway.
>>46760726
>Proper (non circlular) d-pad
There is a god.
>xbox button scheme
Ehh, I'd prefer if they differentiated it but I guess this is for compatibility with all the pc games the default to that when you have a controller plugged in.
Ideally the controller would be modular so that positioning isn't an arguement but that would make it more expensive and probably more prone to failure.
>>46760737
Probably but I feel like fragmentation, at least early on, would really deter some people. Mainly the ones that steam machines are aimed at.
As long as it isn't madcatz tier the controller will probably be fine.
>>46760828
Modularity would be great. Valve even patented some shit like that as can be seen in >>46756604 but the final version won't have that I guess.
These modes make a lot of sense but I think they're just trackpad pictures from the settings where you can say that you want the trackpad to emulate a dpad or an analog stick for example.
>>46760887
Oh, that's a bit of a disappointment then.
>>46756604 looks so promising too with less conventional things like the trackball.
Although there's always the chance that
A: They will release different models with different alignments or
B. They will have one that comes bundled with steam machines and is cheaper to buy and have a separate modular model somewhere down the line.
>>46760949
>A: They will release different models with different alignments or
>B. They will have one that comes bundled with steam machines and is cheaper to buy and have a separate modular model somewhere down the line.
hoping for that.
>>46760967
For sure. Easy to clean, replaceable parts, and controller ricing would easily make it one of the top controllers.
>>46759569
he's recording in that video. he could use shadowplay on windows and the performance would be above linux again
>>46760828
saturn dpad is circular and top tier.
>>46761268
OBS with NVENC works the same way. It's just using the encoding chip which isn't exclusive to windows.
>>46761296
well whatever, I was just saying it wasn't a fair comparison
>>46761596
Why? Because of fraps? Read the description, Ubuntu would have won regardless.
>>46761614
>Ubuntu would have won regardless
I'm not seeing any explanation for that
>>46761657
Can you not read or what are you not understanding?
>>46761681
Has anyone benchmarked the game without recording software? Or at least used equivalent software to record?
If not, the comparison is meaningless.
>>46761693
Probably, you're free to look for one. They're both using recording software though. I don't see what's meaningless or isn't fair about that.
>>46761739
because the recording overhead varies depending on what program you're using.
Anyway, his (much)more recent videos show windows performing as well or better than linux in multiple games. I'm not sure what software he's using for windows now though, looks like msi afterburner.
>>46761777
That Metro video is only a month old. He used an external camera for that.
>Console war bullshit even on /g/
This has gotten entirely out of hand.
>>46759190
>Consoles survive on exclusives only
8/8 made me bite
>>46761813
No one that isn't a troll crossboarder is arguing for consoles here. This is more Windows vs Linux which has been the at the soul of /g/ for ages now.
>>46761795
Ok that's one game, but it's questionable that the new metro game is entirely equivalent on linux. The old one had a lot of missing graphical features versus windows, and some people say the linux versions of the new games are still missing tesselation and volumetric lighting,which I believe was added back into the windows versions.
>>46761777
If you actually read anything, you'd have noticed that he's not using any capture programs at all on Windows, and is instead using a camera.
On Linux, he actually IS using a capture program. Your argument backfired, friend.
But to be honest, I'm willing to bet that screen capture on Linux shits on performance less than on Windows, and he thought that it would be a fairer comparison to not use screen capture on Windows.
If anything, that video showcases that Linux is more than ready for gaming with use of OpenGL and that OpenGL is competitive with DirectX. Now the only thing that's preventing Linux gaming are the drivers. The more there's a proof of concept for Linux gaming, the more consumer demand there'll be for decent Linux drivers. It won't be long before the Linux drivers catch up to the Windows drivers, and once that happens, you'd better believe that there'll be a mass-migration of gamers to Linux.
>>46761939
He used fraps for the left 4 dead 2 video.
Which one are you talking about?
>>46761924
>some people say the linux versions of the new games are still missing tesselation and volumetric lighting,
>>46756306
I just want hl3
>>46761967
Yeah, I said it's questionable. As in, some people dispute it. The linux version probably has tesselation, but I'm almost 100% sure it's still missing the volumetric lighting the windows version has. If there's official word on this from the developers, cool. I don't have time to look for it.
>>46761962
The Metro video.
But it looks like it doesn't matter much-- it seems as if Nvidia hardware does a better job with OpenGL on Linux than it does with DirectX on Windows. If you watch the video comparing CS:GO on each OS, you'll see that not only does Linux get better framerate, it is also MORE STABLE, and renders more effects (Linux seemed to keep blood spatter effects around longer than Windows did).
>>46762061
>it's questionable. As in, some people dispute it.
If I say that your mother's got VD and whores around town for ten dollars a BJ after I snort a few lines and take a bunch of acid, does that make the sanctity of your mother's vagina "questionable?"
No, because the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
>I'm almost 100% sure it's still missing the volumetric lighting
>But I'm not going to look for any proof
As I said, the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
I hope they don't fuck up GlNext
If there is a god it won't be filled with OOP "goodness"
Reminder valve harvests your DNS cache and transmit it to the NSA.
>>46762156
>As I said, the opinions of uninformed idiots is worth exactly bunk.
Don't even think of it that way, it's either useful idiots or shills spreading disinfo.
Once you set a 'fact' in place, it suddenly becomes the onus of the non-idiot to rebuke the claim, as if the claim itself was legitimate and your statement based on reality is some sort of contrarion opinion.
Don't let the shills trap you.
>>46762465
Reminder that if the NSA want records of your DNS lookups they'll get them from your ISP no problems.
Or Google if you use their DNS...
>>46763101
>not having your own DNS server
What are you even doing here? Do you like eating shit too?
>>46763119
reminder that your own DNS server has to either:
- Essentially work as a forwarding server, pulling requests from another server on demand.
>in which case the NSA will just get it from there, or compromise your server.
- Pulls down all records and maintains a complete DNS system, updating every hour/day/week etc to get updated records
>in which case you are already on a watchlist and NSA are pulling your entire session at your ISP.
Any guesses as to what the hardware and 3d API will be like?
AMD don't really appear to have an off the shelf APU that is good enough. Any chance valve paid for a semi custom APU for a reference platform?
I have seen some APU design speculation where they use a HBM module as a cache to offset the lack of bandwidth of ddr3. It's the same idea as intel 128mb EDRAM but you would get between 1gb-4gb instead. The HBM ram has been in production for some time but strangely absent from actual products.
>>46759388
>As you'll notice, there is no visual difference. Notice the rocks behind the camper? It is shaped exactly the same for both. Visual face features? Exactly the same.
>no visual difference.
lol
Loonix gaming? Sure I'll abandon 99% of my library to play smartphone-tier trash on loonix. Based Gaben.
Can't wait to see their VR headset
>>46763287
What's different?
>>46763367
For one the shadow on the lower food plate on the desk is broken in linux
>>46763375
More aliasing on linux too. It's actually disgusting.
>>46763287
Did they fuck up ambient occlusion on linux? Look at the shirt or the box with books on the bed. Or is the shadow of the box just broken?
>>46763367
Just look at the tea pot.
He also turned of AA for Ubango for performance enhancement.
>>46763388
Nothing SMAA couldn't fix. One thing that would need to be developed for me to switch is something like SweetFX for OGL.
>>46763453
>post processing AA
>>46763461
What are you on? SMAA is great. No visible blur and it handles transparency.
>>46763287
fuck me this autism is strong.
>>46763494
>SMAA is great.
Oh boy, here we go.
>>46763497
>>46763444
hurr durr autism
hurp durp just unfocus your eyes, what is the problem
>>46763501
No, here we don't go. I'd rather not hear your autism honestly.
>IF YOU DONT SUCK VALVE COCK YOU ARE AN AUTIST WAAAAAAAAAAH
>IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME, AUTIST
Damn, even this board has been invaded with valve shills.
>>46763535
Who said anything about Valve? Take your shitposting back to /v/
>>46763562
>thread about steamOS
>who said anything about valve
Are you retarded?
>>46763570
Are you? You're complaining about being called an autist about a single game unrelated to Valve except for it being available on Steam.
>>46761821
>playing the console version of anything when there's a PC version
oh boy, I sure love to pay 10 bucks more for lower resolution, slower framerate, shittier textures, no mods, worse multiplayer and fewer control options
>>46763494
>>46763508
>>46763504
You should probably have your eyes check if you can't tell differences between the pictures and if you don't see the horrible effect of SMAA.
>not just downscaling for the best image quality
>>46763643
>he doesn't have a 4k monitor
peasant
>>46763666
>not having a quad SLI of titan to downscale to 4K and have a perfectly antialiased 4K image
If you like shit, it's your problem.
>>46763679
>titan
hahaha look at this tard
nice try /v/ but you got to keep up with the times
>>46763690
>mock somebody because he isn't up to the latest gaming crap
>tell him to go back to /v/
Deliciously ironic.
>>46763710
you haven't been here long if you don't realize /g/ builds $2k+ 4chan machines and hardly plays any games
>>46757100
now way, ep 3 is never coming out
>>46759174
>Will this play all my games
Is it being marketed directly to existing steam users or will it be aimed at newfags who are still deciding weather to go with JapanStation or MurricaBox?
>>46763757
I believe it's marketed towards both.
I prefer my NihonU for the exclusives and a PC for everything else though, so I am probably not their target audience.
Am I the only one on this planet that actually *dislikes* AA? I can't put my finger on why - I turn it off habitually even though it barely makes a difference in frames and with it on max I still usually have more frames than my monitors rate (60hz). I can't put my finger on why I don't like it - am I crazy?
>>46764088
yes
>>46764088
No.
AA is a bad solution to a worse problems.
No AA whatsoever leaves horrid jaggies.
SSAA uses MORE resources than simply downscaling (having to sample a single pixel to multiple adjacent points, even more if you have edge-detect garbage)
MSAA kills quality (see pic related)
FXAA/SMAA/TXAA all add blur.
GeDoSaTo downscaling with lanczos filters is the best for DX9 and below.
DSR/VSR downscaling is best for anything higher than DX9
>Because GeDoSaTo doesn't do higher than DX9 right now
>Gabe steps on stage
>Gabe: I'm very proud today to announce our new SteamVR hardware...
>a pedestal with Valve's VR HMD lights up
>Gabe: Running Half Life 3.
>>46764863
>>46764863
>Implying it won't be a HL2 port to source2 with some new fancy lighting or shaders, but no other changes - just like Half Life Source
>Half Life 2 Source 2
>Half Life 2 Episode 2 Source 2
>>46764847
>downsample
Thought this was called supersampling?
>>46764847
I have 290X, hod does VSR work? I heard is just outputs target resolution on your current resolution. Does it fuck up the scaling?
>>46765202
Supersampling is taking a source and sampling pixels around it as well as sampling extra rendered pixels that won't be normally be shown.
So a 1080p scene with 4xSSAA is still rendering at 1080p, it's just also rendering lots of extra pixels to use as intermediate sampling points - better than MSAA which only samples existing adjacent pixels but slower* due to the logistics of the operation than simply rendering the scene at 4K then downsampling it back to 1080p.
>* It's not hugely slower, but SSAA also has other issues with some (buggy) engines/renderers which downsampling wouldn't.
>>46765232
That's pretty much exactly what it does - if you have a 1080p screen with VSR on, you'll also have 2560x1440 and 3200x1800 resolution options in games, choose them and the game will render at that resolution and them downsample it back to 1080p.
nV's DSR works the same as does GeDoSaTo
Only problem with AMD VSR is 16:10 monitors, it only gives you a max VSR resolution of 2560x1600 - you can't even choose the 16:9 resolutions and live with letterboxing.
do you guys ever think that maybe hl3 was always supposed to be some cutting edge tech demo, and valve keeps scrapping it because some new crazy shit comes out?
>>46756610
Last I knew valve was developing some layer to convert d3d calls to something opengl compatible.
Not sure how comprehensive or full that translation is or can be, or how expensive performance wise.
>>46757131
He has 144 games. Anyone who has a brain can see that 68 is in fact 47%, almost half.
>>46763287
At the very least they're not running the same level of anti aliasing
>>46765192
sorry, I'll stop this now
>>46762156
Day one patch for Windows added volumetric lighting, never happened for Linux.
>>46765413
Day one patch FIXED volumetric lighting on D3D
It didn't need fixing on OpenGL...
>>46765344
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ToGL
Isn't that already finished?
>>46763494
SMAA/FXAA/MLAA are shit tier garbage.
>>46763622
Since when are PC games on launch day ever cheaper?
>>46756873
Wow look at all dem source engine games and shitty 2D indies.
>>46765649
ps4 lauch day: 80eu
xbox one launch day: 80eu
pc launch day: 60eu
>steam os
does it mean it will have video drivers comparable to those on windows?
also does steam os run weyland natively out of the box or its still shitty X ?
>>46765754
Nice URL there.
>>46756306
I'll still stick to windows since the vast majority of games won't run on this.
>>46765829
>url
irl stores m8
>>46765447
Not disagreeing with you cause I don't own the game, but I thought it was a doom 3 bfg flashlight shadow type thing, where they took it out of the new version only to add it back in because of demand.
>>46756751
2 pcs to do the job of 1 PC and a long HDMI cable.
Does this mean HL3 gets released
>>46769971
No, but it does mean HL3 CONFIRMED.
>>46767671
>implying bzxing long HDMI cable is rational solution
>glNext
If this is more than a shading language, I hope it won't be such a godawful state-machine.
>>46759072
try it in a VM
>>46769971
No.
Games like Team Fortress 2 and Dota 2 are way more profitable for Valve than Half Life 2.
>>46756610
that's what glNext is for, nigga.
>>46756306
So what type of Steam Machine do you guys think Valve is going to point everyone's money to? Intel's gaming NUCs seem like a viable option and there have been rumors about them partnering with Valve.
What about the SteamVR dev kit? How do you all think it'll work in conjunction with the rest of Steam Universe?
