Nvidia is dominating desktop graphics and Intel is dominating integrated graphics.
Apple is also poking around a bit and may or may not switch to their own A-processors for their ultraportables in the future.
What can AMD do?
What area should AMD really focus on to stay relevant?
If things continue at the current rate, AMD as we know it will be kill.
http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/nvidia-gains-3-in-q4-from-last-quarter-intel-dropped-4-amd-slipped-7/
>inb4 moar cores
>>46715736
>This fucktard doesn't know about AMD's soon-to-be HBM revolution
AMD is in a slump, true. But just wait.
All hell's about to break loose.
>Nvidia gains more marketshare at the time when they release new cards and AMD doesn't
Is that supposed to be somehow surprising? Now if AMD doesn't regain marketshare after releasing the 300-series, THEN you might be onto something.
When APU's stop being shit AMD will be the end all be all of portable machine graphics.
If they can hold out for another gen or two consumer grade portables will be AMD's domain. Low end graphics cards will be forever obsolete.
>>46715784
>5 years ago
>This fucktard doesn't know about AMD's soon-to-be Bulldozer revolution
AMD is in a slump, true. But just wait.
All hell's about to break loose.
>>46715784
>AMD is in a slump, true. But just wait.
But waiting is dangerous. Especially in a fast-moving market like the computer parts one.
The "It's over, AMD is finished" maymay could gain traction and people will become weary of choosing AMD and as a result, they will be kill for real.
dunno don't care. why are soe of you rich fags so into this shit? all hyped about the next gtb ultra 99999 series . spend 3 grand on it. yeah cool.
>>46715736
Are you their director or something?
Make better graphics cards? Who cares?
>>46715822
>dunno don't care.
You are everything that's wrong with humanity.
Do you not understand how monopoly works?
If shit really hits the fan and AMD has to quit the game, we're literally left with no choice.
Development will crawl to a halt all while prices remain or even increase, because there's no competition anyway.
AMD being in trouble has nothing to do with "brand loyalism". Even the most hardcore nvidya fanboys benefit from AMD existing.
>>46715848
Intel will then risk anti-trust shit.
AMD will survive in one form or another for the x86 market.
>>46715821
AMD will never die, only because Intel will be buried in anti-trust if they do. noVideo not so much, because I think Matrox is still around.
Somewhere.
>>46715848
AMD is fine. Relax. You all always do this War shit with intel jewvidia amd. it never ends.
And if it does die 10 years from now. then let it be
>>46715871
>Intel will be buried in anti-trust if they do
This really rustles my jimmies. As much as I hate the jews over at Intel, it's not their fucking fault or Nvidia's fault or anyone else's fault that AMD can't deliver.
Consumers made their choices and it's obvious that AMD has to step up their game if they want to stay competitive.
>>46715784
Hate to break it to you.
Marketing > Tech
And nvidia have much better marketing.
Companies that make $5 billion a year and steadily secure supply contracts don't just die. Their long term debt is roughly $2 billion, and they'll have no problem paying it down in the next couple years.
>>46715736
AMD was always shit, they just had the "budget niche", Now that processors are so cheap that niche no-longer exists. Every time I look at the AMD FX sticker on my PC case I think to myself why did I not just get an i5?
>>46715966
This. /g/ forgets that high end computing isn't the be all end all of the computing world. 99.999% of computer purchasers don't give the smallest fuck what processor brand is inside their PC. Sure AMD is losing fans on /g/ and /v/ but the average joe on the street never even knew that there are 2 competing processor brands to begin with therefore how can they support Intel if they aren't even aware of their war with AMD?
>>46716093
Because you believed their lies. The greatest allience was called WinTel for a reason.
R9 300 series set to release in mid-late march.
The new chips in the 290/290x/295x2 are going to blow nvidia out of the water. The HBM memory will allow for amazing 4k performance. Nvidia is going to become king of 1080p to 1440p panels, AMD will rule the high res market.
>>46716185
Intel's marketing actually means that most people don't even know that AMD exists. They don't even understand that there's anything other than intel- Intel just is computer to them.
The typical person, when told about AMD considers them to be a knock-off brand of computer or something.
The concept that processors even have brands is beyond a lot of people.
Mix that in with Intel's bribing OEMS to not use AMD and you have basically why AMD is doing so poorly.
Intel marketed themselves properly, AMD tried to rely on performance and an informed consumer base.
>>46715871
>intel
>Anti-trust if AMD dies
But anon, ARM is intel's competition.
At least that's what the very well paid lawyers will say.
>>46715784
Directx12 will make amd the supreme overlord
>>46716231
Freesync 4K monitors are going to be the hottest shit on the market when they come out.
Adaptive refresh at low resolutions is pretty pointless.
>>46716236
>and an informed consumer base
Biggest mistake anyone can ever do ever.
>>46716093
>AMD was always shit, they just had the "budget niche"
Either you're a complete fucking retard or you're ignorant of anything older than 5 years.
>>46716266
Not really. Developers will be hesitant to use DX12 because win10 adoption is so low.
And since using both is going to increase development costs...
>>46716236
Ah yes this is true. See intel ads on TV all the time but I've never ever ever seen an AMD on TV ever.
> informed consumer base.
That's such a dreadful idea if you're in the computing business.
>>46716288
When did AMD ever offer anything better than the best Intel have to offer?
>>46716389
Athlon 64-era, when Intel had to bribe OEMs into using their chips.
>>46716298
I cant see that happening with MS pushing for quick Win10 upgrades. The free and lifetime upgrade deal and the mass marketing power they got will probably get most users adopting win10 within the first year of release. Developers would be dumb not to catch up.
>>46716368
Intel's marketing is pretty brilliant. They also have a retail worker education program where they give retail workers discounts for intel processors (massive, bribery level discounts) for completing education programs with quizzes and such. The 'education' is brand loyalty indoctrination.
The result is that retail workers in best buy will be talking about the i7 and the i5s to the average person saying how they need those higher end processors for shit like word processing and website making. "Hey you never know when you might need to do that". The people that sell things in stores are being taught all about intel's product lines, for bribery level discounts.
Genius.
Horribly unfair, and definitely something that should fall under anti-trust, but genius.
>>46716389
Pentium 4 era, dipshit. The athlons were amazing compared to the horse shit that intel was putting out. It was also the era that intel bribed OEMs the hardest. Think sandy bridge vs bulldozer in reverse.
>>46716427
I would like to add that we use the word bribe a lot, so it's pejorated as people think it's hyperbole. Uh- in simple terms people use it to describe shit that isn't bribery too often.
But in this case, it legitimately was bribery.
>>46716449
MS is pushing because they know adoption is slow.
They can barely get people to stop using XP.
It depends on the numbers- if MS's efforts actually work, then sure. I'm also confident that MS will provide some 'incentives' to developers to go for DX12, like making it cheaper for them to do so. Or perhaps straight up giving them money to do so.
Like getting lots of DX12 games out to help win 10 is something MS should be doing, right?
All depends on what happens.
>>46716451
>Intel's marketing is pretty brilliant.
Except recently with their "hey look we're giving $300,000,000 to radical feminists for no reason!" shit. I know I'm not the only one going to AMD after that.
>MUH CONSOLES
>MUH HSA
>MUH THIS
>MUH THAT
>>46716427
>>46716451
Oh yeah Athlon I forgot about that. If I remember correctly My Athlon that I purchased last decade could still handle Shogun 2 Total War. Only had to get rid of it when Rome 2 came out.
Well to be fair if you get at least an i5 as opposed to the bare minimum Sempron then your PC is gonna last longer. However I do agree that retail workers are too quick to push i7 for any specialist computing need whatsoever.
>>46716513
Keep in mind that intel apposes net neutrality, they actively lobby against it, and they've openly supported every SOPA bill that has been put forth.
They're basically a blight on the planet.
>>46716513
That was more of an executive decision than a marketing decision.
I don't really know what they were thinking with that one.
Maybe they thought that because women do more work for less pay, they'd be more efficient employees...
kek
>>46716513
source?
I was already going to go AMD on my next build, but this is a good final decision maker
>>46716550
They were trying to recover from the bad PR they got from making all the tumblr twats angry when they pulled ads off of some SJW gaming journalism site.
>>46716552
>this is a good final decision maker
If you base your processor purchase on this you are the worst kind of person.
>>46716552
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/01/06/intel-ceo-outlines-future-of-computing
>Intel plans to engage with several partners in the industry to support, enhance or create new programs for this initiative, including the International Game Developers Association*, the E-Sports League*, the National Center for Women in Technology*, the CyberSmile Foundation*, the Feminist Frequency*, and Rainbow PUSH*.
http://fortune.com/2015/01/12/intel-diversity/
>>46716568
>You are a bad person because you don't want to give your money to jews and sjw
>>46716568
Choosing whether or not to support a company on moral/ethical grounds makes him the best kind of person.
You filthy shilling heeb.
>>46716545
You have to wonder what there interests are here; What stake does intel have in net neutrality and SOPA stuff?
Intel doesn't have intellectual property issues, and they don't have any obvious telecom links.
>>46716568
Why not base purchasing decisions based on your own ethical beliefs?
>>46716478
Dumb question but if so many of their consumers love their old product so much that they are outright refusing to switch after 10 years even when offered free upgrades then why doesnt M$ capitalize on this by releasing new versions of windows that looks and acts exactly like XP but with the latest guts obviously for compatibility with the latest software and hardware. It looks as if M$ has hit upon a classic design but refuse to acknowledge this. Take Apple for instance. Their original ipod was super popular and seen as a classic therefore even when they have moved on to touchscreens and nano sizes they still offer the original version with minor improvements under the "classic" brand rather than cancel the line and force all old ipod owners to upgrade to the touch.
as a poorfag, I'll only bother with amd again if they'll deliver HBM also on a sub 300$ card.
>>46716641
Considering that AMD usually has better price/performance, as a poorfag, why would you even consider not buying AMD?
>>46716641
>poorfag
>bothering with nvidia
u wot?
>>46716593
>>46716594
If you're shopping for a processor you buy the processor that is best at processing.
Why should you give a shit if the company is either SJWs or homophobes or whatever.
Let tumblrfags handle that.
>>46716568
fuck off schlomo
>>46716687
Because of a little thing called "morality".
AMD's future pretty much rests on Zen.
They're cutting dead weight to stay alive until the end of 2016 when they release a new flagship CPU. If it's good then AMD should stay afloat.
As for their GPU division- it's doing fine. If AMD's new CPU bombs or never comes out then I see AMD splitting back into ATi (or whatever) and being a solo company again. Not sure what that would mean overall, but whatever happens I don't see the CPU part dragging down AMD's healthy GPU space.
>>46716625
Well it's Microsoft the former monopoly trying to adjust to not having supreme marketshare- I don't think they forsaw having to compete with themselves. Microsoft is a pretty large beast. Imagine trying to sell a product that looks exactly the same as the old one. I think they think that 'Unless it's different, how will consumers know it's different' in a 'Why would I buy that if it's the same thing?' kind of way.
Adoption isn't so much about resisting change as it is "if it ain't broke don't spend $100 fixing it". Hence why they're doing free upgrades (from 8)
>>46716687
>giving money to a company who actively tries to limit your freedoms
>giving money to a company who actively supports a monopolized internet
>giving money to a company who is in bed with the MPAA and RIAA
>"best at processing"
Filthy hebrew fuck.
>>46716611
>Why not base purchasing decisions based on your own ethical beliefs?
Because I'm buying a product, not a person or someone's soul. I'm also not buying karma. I'm buying a CPU.
I will never have to interact with these disgusting human beings anyway, regardless of what brand CPU I purchase.
>>46716478
Windows 10 isn't actually out yet, you do realize that right?
>They can barely get people to stop using XP.
Who?
It's been a good 3 years since I've seen a WinXP install anywhere but XPEmbedded in old arcade games.
>>46716687
That's rarely true.
Nobody makes their decisions from a purely logical standpoint.
In fact, depending on what your end goal is, making the decision on emotion can be the logical choice.
>>46716737
It's about not making people you hate richer.
If someone strangles a puppy infront of you but gives you a slightly better deal on car insurance, do you really want to give that guy your money?
I get the impression you still wouldn't give a shit, so I'll ask you this; how bad does the company have to behave until you would actually consider not buying a product from them?
Don't hold back, consider all the way through torture, genocide, being a ponyfag, etc.
>>46716745
Because win8 adoption is amazing.
You have to assume that the win8-win10 adoption will be pretty high since win10 will be free for these people, so win8 adoption pretty much = win10 adoption. At least right now.
>>46716664
>>46716683
intel cpu and amd gpu atm
that's why I said "again"
I meant I won't be upgrading to another amd card if I have to stick with gddr5
I heard only 390, 390x and 395x2 will have HBM, don't remember source
but why then should I upgrade if I don't get the new shilled memory?
>>46716726
MAybe Mircrosoft's problem is that they try to release one OS for all types of consumer. No serious gamer or developer would be still using XP so it's clearly the segments of their user base who just use word-processor and a bit of light browsing who refuse to switch because as yous aid "if it ain't broke why fix it". That's why Microsoft should keep selling XP at a cut price to keep the plebs happy while soldiering on with the pricey 10 for patricians.
>>46716785
Win7 users also get Win10 for free.
Win8 adoption was terrible due to the bad press about metro, Win10 fixes that on the desktop and it's free for Win7 and up.
>>46715736
>Intel dominating integrated graphics
Wrong
Amd will wipe the floor with intel
Intel will charge kike prices for the same performance of igpu most likely
>>46716785
>being a ponyfag
KEK
I just imagined Saphirre graphics with ponies on the cards
I wonder how the internet would respond
>>46716852
Excuse me?
Windows 8
Windows 8 pro
Windows 8 RT
Windows 8 Enterprise
And win7 had 6 different editions.
>>46716859
>bad press about metro
Wasn't just bad press, metro was bad in general
>>46716852
>That's why Microsoft should keep selling XP at a cut price to keep the plebs happy while soldiering on with the pricey 10 for patricians.
They want to get rid of anything pre-10 because that costs money to support and it's not in your best business interests to have someone pay for something once then keep delivering new patches for infinity, it's not sustainable.
Cutting the cost would make it even worse, if MS were to sell XP again the price would have rise dramatically to make it a worthwhile venture.
>>46715736
>Nvidia is dominating desktop graphics
>>46716896
Depends on what stat you use. If you use discrete desktop graphics, yes. Nvidia sold 2 million 970s bro.
They're like 70% of the market.
If you count ALL graphics, including integrated, intel wins. Simply by being in all intel processors.
If you want price/performance, well that probably goes to AMD right now. But that flops around and it's like 51%: 49% to AMD so whatever.
>>46716852
>10
>patrician
Pick one. Windows is rapidly devolving into a bloated, cloud and social media infested toy OS.
>>46716863
I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes AMD's integrated graphics are superior to Intel's
>all this talk of "patrician" bullshit
>>>/mu/
>>46716876
Yeah but they're not pleb enough.
>>46716888
That's the problem with the software game, people say "hey can't you just patch the existing software every year rather than making me purchase completely new software?" If adding a literal patch of sticky tape made your processor faster who the fuck would ever want to upgrade? But Nvidia would moan "hey we can't afford to be giving you free sticky tape forever."
>>46717018
>Yeah but they're not pleb enough.
Not pleb enough? If you don't know what you want, you just ask for 'windows 8' and that'll do you.
RT is actually cheating since that's win8 for ARM systems
>>46716954
So like Windows XP?
>Windows Messenger is integrated, need to use scripts to remove it
>Bloated GP setup on a desktop OS that was exploitable over the internet
>Slower, larger install size and no discernible benefits over the far superior Win2K.
>UI was designed by Fisher Price
>>46717043
>So like Windows XP?
Not quite, but Windows has been going steadily downhill after 95.
>>46716954
>Cortana
>DirectX 12
>Improved UI
>Not patrician
>>46717013
Pleb detected
>>>/b/
>>46717081
>sucking Microshaft
>>>/v/
>>46717043
>UI was designed by Fisher Price
Hey don't knock it, it made computing fun when I was a kid.
>>46717108
>muh linux
>>>/mlp/
>>46717081
>Improved UI
They merely partially unfucked it after ruining it in W8.
>>46716949
because amd's cards are old. in a few months they'll come out with new cards that will be faster than nvidia's, then nvidia will come out with new cards that will be faster, etc. etc.
did you start paying attention to hardware last year? because that's how it has worked for over a decade.
>>46717067
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
>>46716580
I can't wait to see this crash and burn.
>>46717147
True. Still better than XP though. As >>46717043
said it literally looks like babby's first UI.
>>46717205
Look at W95's start menu. It's very clean and simple and contains only what you need. Then they they added shortcuts, then they reworked the whole thing into something much more convoluted, and now it's full of Metro shit with weather information and whatnot. There's also the quicklaunch bar on top of all that and of course desktop shortcuts. Gotta have shortcuts to everything everywhere.
>>46716785
>how bad does the company have to behave until you would actually consider not buying a product from them?
All the relevant companies are already on the bad side of the morale scale, so it doesn't really matter much.
Unfortunately, that's almost a necessity to make it in the corporate world nowadays.
Even your precious AMD probably has underage workers working ridiculous shifts for next to no pay in a factory in China or Taiwan as we speak.
You could argue about the lesser of two evils, but if you think any manufacturers are the "good guys" you are deluding yourself.
>>46717141
>implying I'm a ponyfag
If you're only interested in consumer tech, I seriously recommend /v/. You have no place here.
>>46717266
>Consumer tech is plebian
If it's not worth selling then it's shit.
>>46717266
This board is mostly consumer tech.
>>46717289
But plenty of people buy linux.
>>46717312
Yeah, because fucks like you two come in and assume you're in the right place, and when someone tells you to fuck off you just sit here and call us retarded.
>>46717187
>in a few months they'll come out with new cards that will be faster than nvidia's, then nvidia will come out with new cards that will be faster, etc. etc.
Yes, but do you seriously expect AMD to show the same dominance in the market while they currently have the newest cards out and Nvidia are waiting for a refresh?
>>46717325
What ever are you talking about? I merely pointed out the fact that /g/ is mostly consumer tech. That's all.
>tfw Metro Start Menu is actually Program Manager reincarnated...
>>46716525
Every time ya know? Gets boring every time they make these threads now.
>>46715928
Except for the minor fact that Intel literally made illegal moves to fuck over AMD extremely hard, got sued for it and settled for billions, and AMD has been trying to recover ever since.
The one and only reason Intel is ahead is because they didn't play fair. If they played fair, we would have a much better market today instead of the stagnating bullshit we have now.
>>46717325
>buying linux
I'm sorry, what? Are you this stupid?
>>46717462
Your post has no relevance.
>>46717265
Yet you had to convince yourself AMD must be dirty too so you feel less guilt for supporting known anti consumer companies.
What is cheap gaming pcs and consoles.
Amd is doing just fine.
>>46718091
I don't have to "convince" myself of something that's true. But that's beside the point.
I'm a heartless bastard who will buy whatever suits me best regardless of if the company is run by Satan himself.
>>46715736
Do you think if they focused on one they would do better?
>Meh Processors
>Meh Video cards
So do one right instead both OK? Unless it works for them, maybe it just makes sense?
>>46717804
>he's never heard of RHEL
>>46718253
>Do you think if they focused on one they would do better?
Maybe. If they were going down that road I would guess they have a better chance at the GPU market than the CPU market though.
Too muching jewing and too much competition in the CPU market.
>>46718255
>What is centos?
>everyone buys rhel
>>46718413
Some people want the support.
>>46718515
Are you implying there's no support for literally any other distro? As far as I know, many of them have support similar to what Red Hat offers.
>>46718548
Red Hat actually has people that provide enterprise support for that distribution, whereas CentOS support comes in the form of a website and some forums.
>>46717338
>they currently have the newest cards out
You are mistaken.
>>46717681
I haven't heard of this. Could you tell me what Intel did and point me to some sources?
>>46719007
>You are mistaken.
No, you just have no reading comprehension.
>>46719173
Oh no, I know what you're TRYING to say, but you can't construct a sentence. So I was correcting you.
>>46719763
>maximum damage control
>>46715736
>Nvidia is dominating desktop graphics
I hope you are at least able to read
>>46719992
Read the article. nVidia command 80% of the dGPU market
