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So, i tried Veganism for 2 months. So far i havent lost any gains and the only thing i can say about it is taking shits, way fucking better. And i feel lighter. Other than that, no changes in weight or lean mass. What are your thoughts on it?
>>37882956
>better shits
def true. smoother coming out. doesn't stay hanging when u know there's still some left.
>no changes in weight
depends on what u eating man. u still cheating man?
What was your decisions to go vegan? Just curious as I don't see any Heath advantages others than you smooth shits
>>37882956
I went vegan and I Kept farting like a mofo because of all the beans.
didn't lose weight but I also read skinny vegans are really just people with an eating disorder using veganism as a scapegoat.
was vegans for 4 months. ended it when my gf bought donuts one day. will try it again next year
>>37882968
>M
No, no cheating at all. Only vegan food, vegan protein and 8g of creatine (just like before).
>>37883038
Cant stand the shit they do to animals, but thats my choice, you're all free to eat as much meat as you want. Not gonna be another one of those preachy annoying vegans.
>>37882956
It's for morons.
>>37883089
I read somewhere that we fart a lot because our intestines arent used to digest so much fiber. But it stops after a while.
>>37883125
Dont be offensive mate, i dont care that you eat meat, just continue to do so. Not here to preach, im here to discuss the subject.
>>37883124
I can understand beef and pork but why do people give single fuck about chickens, lambs and calves?
>>37882956
>What are your thoughts on it?
Good for you. /thread
>>37883162
Because they show some degree of empathy and sentience. Some animals are easier to eat than others i guess. Like, eating a dog in the west would be discusting, but not a pig. Even if they have about the same intelligence and sentience.
I've been trying it for the last month, I'd been hearing about it for years but it wasn't until I started looking into the nutritionfacts account on youtube (or nutritionfacts.org) where I actually gave it some serious thought.
I'm hard on pure unbiased and robust scientific evidence and I'd never seen so much evidence for a plant based diet before. Honestly, nutritionfacts on youtube is my bible now desu.
Shits feel soo much better and don't hang around in my ass in this way that used to make me feel really uncomfortable. Feel better mentally too.
Ive been semi-vegan (I allow myself some cheese once a week) for about 2 months now.
The main reason I decided to go vegan was because I have sebhorric dermatitis (basically facial dandruff and very red raw patches), which was crippling my self esteem.
I shit you not, my face cleared up within a week and it has continued to look great even now.
Also, as stated by others in this thread, shitting is so nice now, it just comes out in a nice firm consistent manner and it smells more 'garden-y', rather than traditional shit smell.
>>37883295
Then you're a Flexitarian.
>>37883302
not him but the whole label thing is really petty. I don't eat meat or milk 90% of the time. and still call myself vegan
>>37882956
I was vegan for 13 years. Sounds good. Take a B-12 supplement, and take watching your nutrition seriously.
>>37883355
Not really, man. Veganism is "a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."
This originates from the Vegan Society when it registered as a charity in 1979. Since then, people have just been jumping on the bandwagon only to eat fish and other meat and dairy occasionally and demand to be called vegans even though they are not.
Anyway, those who eat a vegan diet but do not follow the vegan lifestyle are simply eating a plant-based diet.
>>37883295
Can confirm shit effect. My brother-in-law said my shit smelled like vegetables.
>>37883402
Who cares lol
>>37883414
Because there is a clear difference. Vegans extend their lifestyle beyond food, but try to limit as much animal suffering as possible without being too inconvenient. They will buy non-animal clothing and purchase items that don't practice animal testing. Plant based dieters are only doing it for the health benefits.
It's like if someone calls the US a democracy, when it is clearly a representative republic even though many citizens are politically uninformed and actually think it is a democracy.
>>37883446
Check the context, this is a fitness board, not a 'muh ethics' board. See, this is why vegans have such a bad reputations, they can't seem to shake off an obsession with semantics.
Thinking about going flexitarian, Leanne Ratcliffe definitely put me off veganism for a long time with her bullshit, but it's obvious that reducing meat and stuff will ultimately benefit my health. I don't think I'd be able to maintain Vegan/Vegetarian lifestyle for life though.
>>37883506
Semantics is usually splitting hairs but the core aspect of veganism is a lifestyle seeking to limit ALL forms of animal cruelty and exploitation. I fail to see how this is being pedantic when that is its definition established by the society that formally created the term.
>>37883446
>It's like if someone calls the US a democracy, when it is clearly a representative republic even though many citizens are politically uninformed and actually think it is a democracy.
God fucking dammit I'm fucking tired of hearing this a representative republic is a type of democracy jesus christ kill yourself
>>37883595
Sorry, I should have been clearer. But what I mean was people think the US is a direct democracy. I thought it was inherently implied representative republics are a type of democracy.
>>37883402
nah I'll still call myself a vegan because I'm allowed to label myself whatever I like. stop acting like a religion lol
>>37883579
Remind me again why you care so much about why a random anon who rarely consumes dairy products identifies as vegan?
People can have multiple interpretations of certain words. Doesn't make anyone's interpretation any less right or wrong. But when you attempt to force YOUR chosen definition down someone's throat, that's when you cross the line into dogmatism and nobody will take you seriously. "Plant based", please, everyone knows that's vegan code for 'not vegan enough'.
did you stop if you start to become green as vegan gain ?
>>37883131
It because of a few sugars that we don't break down very well unless we consume them regularly.
>>37883137
He meant mormons.
>>37883355
Vegan is a lifestyle. You cant just call yourself a Christian and then reject half your religion. Veganism is moral choices, you cant just ignore some of them and call yourself Vegan. Therefore, a Flexitarian is someone who has a mainly vegan diet but still has some cheating involved. Nothing wrong with labels.
>>37883641
Im a nigger cause i like getting tanned! Yep, i can label myself whatever i want...
>>37883446
Christ shut the fuck up already you dumb dyel cunt
>this thread
ostrovegan masterrace
>>37882956
>i tried Veganism for 2 months
Try 2 years and you'll develop a B12 deficiency if you don't supplement it.
>>37883162
Why do you give a shit about human babies? Why do leftists give a shit about niggers and sandniggers?
>>37885398
Enjoy your mercury.
>>37883124
>Cant stand the shit they do to animals
>But that's okay if you still want to do it, not trying to stop bad things from happening or anything
>>37885469
oysters have incredibly low levels of mercury.
besides, I only eat like one can a week
>>37885431
Nah, B12 isnt exclusive to meat mate. Its exclusive to unclorified water. There are plenty of foods enriched in B12, like soy milk.
>>37885522
not that guy. but you should take a vegan b12 supplement
I don't want you to be one of those idiots who later make youtube videos about how veganism ruined your health
>>37885472
Nothing i say isnt going to change their minds. so i want act like im superior to them. Not going to antegonize them and give them a reason to bash another preachy vegan.
>>37885542
Yes, ive read in to that. The perfect solution would be taking a multivitamin with b12 in it. But there are plenty of foods rich in b12, just have to make sure i eat plenty of them.
>>37885557
Multivitamins don't get absorbed as well.
>>37885557
m8, you'r not gonna get it from food
http://www.theveganrd.com/vegan-nutrition-primers/vitamin-b12-a-vegan-nutrition-primer
she's actually a super great resource for vegans who want to go about veganism in a physiologically/nutritionally sound way
>>37883124
>Not gonna be another one of those preachy annoying vegans
Fucking pussy.
>You can shoot up schools, but you can kill as many kids as you want. Not gonna be one of those preachy, children activist
I'm literally eating meat right now, but I'm gonna tell you it's right. I will say that those REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DON'T TELL ME WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG IT'S EASY AND TASTE GOOD REEEEEEEEEEEE anti-vegans.
>>37882956
>man eats some vegetables
>reports good shits
call CNN
>>37885543
Didn't somebody saying something about the issue get you to realize what's going on and change your mind? If you never talk about it and never encourage other people to eat vegan, it doesn't help anyone. If some anonymous asshole gets offended that you make him feel bad over the shitty things he does, does it really matter?
>>37882956
>havent lost any gains
>taking shits, way fucking better
>feels lighter
>no changes in weight or lean mass
Poor guy. The vegan psychosis has claimed another one. He is now totally detached from reality.
>>37882956
I know it isn't vegan, but have you tried adding raw milk in? It really helps with calories, specifically gives you a decent amount of fat and protein.
realmilk.com
youtube.com/watch?v=K-mRfSr8hKQ
>>37886652
Raw milk is dangerous and mostly promoted by quacks. Dr. Mercola would be considered a quack.
>>37883124
If you want to really support animal rights eat antibiotic free meats.
The only thing enabling factory farms and all of that horrible shit they do to animals is because they put antibiotics in the food.
The animals would get sick if they were treated like that and shoved that close in proximity to each other, the antibiotics prevent them from getting sick, removing the population control.
Farm animals get a pretty sweet deal outside of factory farms. They get to roam around and have a source of food, they get to fuck nonstop and they have no worries about predators. All they have to do is look in to the sunset one afternoon before their lives end.
Supporting antibiotic meats hurts the factory farms more than just going vegan. This is because it is easier to convince people to just stop eating antibiotic riddled food instead of stop eating meat.
>>37886722
Or even better, don't buy meat at all so that you're not supporting the slaughter of animals, therefore not supporting the existence of the industry in the first place.
>>37886722
And stop eating organic vegetables.
>>37886652
No, there are multiple better alternatives to milk.
>>37886680
>Raw milk is dangerous
eurofag here, lol
then again you probably think cheese only come in spray tubes
>>37885367
sure go right ahead
i'll still call myself vegan because I want too. get a life creep
>all these people having issues shitting on regular diets
Wtf? I've never had shit that hangs or get stuck or anything.
Currently on a keto diet, barely getting fibre yet my shits are still fine
What is wrong with all of you?
>>37888476
going to from high to low carb improved my shits (easier to shit when i want to), but it wasn't an issue to begin with
>>37883446
>they will buy non-animal clothing
>have no problem wearing cotton clothing, literally the most pesticide and herbicide-soaked plant
>kills billions of animals a year
Vegans are hypocrites. Wool clothing is objectively better for the environment and animal welfare than cotton, but it's easier to anthropomorphize sheep as having rights than it is to do for insects, birds, fish, and smaller mammals.
I've been vegan for almost 5 months and I feel like dog shit. Fuck you.
I'll never not be vegan though, so fuck the rest of you too.
yes im mad
>>37888539
also ignoring basic knowledge about how animals are good for the lands, and how they will kill the soil pretty quickly if we had to rely solely on plants
also only caring about cute animals
>>37888561
kys. oh wait, you're doing that already
>>37888583
Actually, thinking about my example, I'd love to hear from some vegans about why they don't wear wool clothing.
If veganism is about not consuming animal products, and/or minimizing animal harm where it's reasonable to do so, then wool clothing should be what vegans wear.
Cotton;
>incredibly inefficient plant
>hard on soil, takes a lot of nutrients and displaces native plants
>typically grown in countries with poor environmental standards
>uses a ton of pesticides and herbicides, kills millions of birds, insects, fish, small mammals, poisons pretty much every part of the environment
>most likely not local, has to be shipped internationally, that's a lot of fossil fuels to transport
Cotton;
>shearing sheep is painless to the sheep
>sheep can graze, low environmental impact
>lots of wool produced per sheep
>no pesticides or herbicides
>generally easy to process
>can get from plenty of local sources
LOL at vegans getting BTFO
>>37883208
>Because they show some degree of empathy and sentience.
Insects are are also "sentient".
I see no need to limit your nutritional intake off of "muh feels", but you do you.
>>37886736
Nothing wrong with eating pastured livestock.
>>37883446
>They will buy non-animal clothing and purchase items that don't practice animal testing.
Maximum kek
>>37888699
My guess is because decent wool clothing is usually expensive as fuck while cotton or cotton blends is cheap as hell.
>>37888757
and computers
>>37883722
Top kek, the word you're looking for is vegetarian, not vegan. Vegan implies all the other choices.
Veganism is a literal cult, vegetarianism not necessarily.
also lol at
>"Plant based", please, everyone knows that's vegan code for 'not vegan enough'.
t. guy who embraces his nature and feeds his body an omnivore diet like nature intended
>>37888772
Decent wool clothing isn't that expensive. Just buy from Amish people. Alternatively, Walmart has wool clothing that doesn't cost much. Or buy some wool and learn to knit. Additionally vegan food can cost more than regular food in a lot of instances.
>>37889976
Veganism is just another form of feeling superior for sheltered pretentious brats like having a mac or riding a fixie
>>37882956
>veganism
Lets see how you get your complete amino acid profile from fucking greens!
You guys will deteriorate your own gains just to call yourself vegan.
>>37890999
You are wrong
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1252113/pdf/biochemj01140-0284.pdf
>>37882956
>Italian baby kept on vegan diet taken into care after being found malnourished
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/10/italian-baby-kept-on-vegan-diet-taken-into-care-after-being-foun/
>A 14-month-old Italian baby, who was reportedly fed a vegan diet, has been removed from his parents after arriving at a Milan hospital seriously malnourished.
>The baby, whose name has not been released, was taken to hospital by his grandparents a week ago and doctors were shocked to see the poor state of the baby’s health and a body weight only just slightly higher than a newborn.
>Blood tests revealed the child, who was born in May 2015, was severely malnourished with calcium levels barely adequate to survive. The baby was also suffering from a congenital heart condition which required emergency surgery. He is now recovering in hospital.
If you can't feed an infant a Vegan diet without almost killing it, THEN VEGANISM IS BULLSHIT AND UNHEALTHY FOR ALL HUMANS.
I keep posting proof upon proof upon proof that Veganism is bullshit and you all keep doing it anyway. DO YOU WANT TO DIE?
LOL are corpse eaters still stereotyping vegans
Listen dipshits, this new vegan awakening is far from emotional arguments, it is defended by intelligent hall of fame doctors.
And solid enviremental facts.
The vegan mouvement now is so big that it even contains alt-right and néo nazis.
You have no choice but to open your thick mind and start listening.
Stop stabbing animals to death for hamburgers you degenerate faggots
>>37891101
as with any diet, it has to be done with proper care and understanding, especially when kids still in development are involved
if i fed a baby a paleo diet, and it could have strived but didn't because i did a shitty job feeding it a paleo diet, would you say that a paleo diet kills babies and thus is unsafe for all humans?
>>37891101
Beef board plz go, we are not docile goys anymore.
You'll lose profit with every single day forward.
The Money you made will be seized back one day.
>>37891186
>this new vegan awakening is far from emotional arguments, it is defended by intelligent hall of fame doctors.
>>37891249
esselstyn, McDougall, Neal Barnard, Colin Campbell, and the new carnist rapist : Dr Michael Greger ;)
>>37891186
Wahhhhh corpse eaters! Wahhhhhh!
>>37891294
Ok...I'm a vegan and even I don't think Greger is credible.
>>37888699
Do sheep on wool farms die of old age?
>>37883124
Animals don't even recognize their own self, seen a chimp looking in a mirror confused before? Animals are fucking dumb, simple input/output machines that only care about surviving because they don't have the cognitive complexity for anything else. And these are the things you cry for? Ridiculous.
>>37891101
There's a few case reports of this kind of thing around the world, but the fact that it's a few isolated cases making international news instead of a routine occurance that experts would warn about should tell you that this isn't "what happens when you feed a baby a vegan diet." Some people just do stupid things that happen to technically be vegan, like that one couple who only fed their baby apple juice, which of course led to malnutrition.
Using these reports against veganism is like me posting this saying "you see what happens when you feed a child meat! they choke to death!"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264262/Woman-killed-friends-baby-feeding-sausage--despite-warned-choke-him.html
>>37892072
>I'm a vegan and even I don't think Greger is credible.
How and why? His website is great.
>>37883124
>Not gonna be another one of those preachy annoying vegans.
you realize that's impossible right? If I met you in real life, I'd water board you with steak
>>37883124
>Not gonna be another one of those preachy annoying vegans.
>makes a thinly veiled vegan preaching thread
Bench using suicide grip pls
>>37892198
Assuming so, or they're sent to slaughter.
Check with where you're getting your wool source from. Even if "Oh no the sheep gets killed when it's old wool is murder", are you implying that the life of one sheep is worth more than the billions of small animals and micro-organisms that will die over the lifetime and wool production of a single sheep?
If veganism is about mitigating animal deaths where possible, the death of one animal should be preferable to the death of billions.
>>37893022
>Even if "Oh no the sheep gets killed when it's old wool is murder", are you implying that the life of one sheep is worth more than the billions of small animals and micro-organisms that will die over the lifetime and wool production of a single sheep?
>the death of one animal should be preferable to the death of billions.
Got any resources on this I can check out? I want to see how you got that a billion animals die to gather a sheep's worth of cotton
>>37893208
There's no hard numbers, but a billion is a fairly conservative estimate. Remember that you're not going to be able to count every single caterpillar that dies, that's ridiculous. But it's a safe estimate.
http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/about_freshwater/freshwater_problems/thirsty_crops/cotton/
http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/about_freshwater/freshwater_problems/thirsty_crops/cotton/impacts/
Consider that cotton counts for 24% of the world's annual sales on insecticides. It's same to assume that 24% of the insecticides used in the world are killing billions, if not trillions of insects.
>Investigations into a case of fish-death in the USA showed that, even when pesticides are properly applied according to the technical instructions, impacts on freshwater ecosystems are still possible. In this case Endosulfan was sprayed on cotton fields. In August 1995 contaminated run-off from these fields resulted in the death of more than 240,000 fish along a 25 km stretch of a river in the State of Alabama (PANUPS 1996).
Just a small example. a quarter million fish in only a 25 kilometer area in a month. And that's in a properly applied area.
Now, consider all of the insects that would have died, additional water-animals that would have died, all of the carnivores/omnivores that would have died from lack of food/eating contaminated fish.
Now think of all the cotton fields in India and China and other shitty countries that don't care about environmental standards.
>>37893278
Following up on the proof that billions are killed;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/qi/8049221/QI-Quite-Interesting-facts-about-bugs.html
>There are about 10,000,000,
000,000,000,000 insects in the world. One per cent of this total are ants. Their biomass alone exceeds that of all the humans that have ever existed (approximately 90billion). There are more insects in one square mile of empty field than there are people in the world.
America has 77 million acres of cotton fields. There are 640 acres in a square mile.
Calculating everything out, if there are roughly 7 billion insects in a mile, 7 x 640 = 4480 billion insects in an acre. 4480 billion x 77 million broke my calculator, Google said it's 3.4496e+20
Lots of rounding, and insecticides aren't 100% efficient, nor are insects distributed evenly in the world, but it can be safely assumed that American cotton fields alone have the capacity to kill quadrillions upon quadrillions of insects per year.
This is, of course, just insects, not counting larger species that are killed, directly or indirectly.
>>37882956
It seems like a waste of time to me. Meat is easy to get and tastes good most of the time, and if you don't eat it every 2 hours you'll be alright. Veganism is a complication in my life that I don't need atm.
>>37893278
So on a scale much, much larger than the wool farming operation you're comparing it to, there was a single issue 20 years ago where an estimated 240,000 fish died from pesticide runoff
>>37893350
That makes the billions number misleading. Couldn't give a fuck if gnats and bacteria die compared to a sheep.
I'm not convinced breh. To even come close to replacing cotton as it exists now, hundreds of millions of sheep would need to be bred, and would eventually be slaughtered, and the local wool farming scenario you have in your head wouldn't be feasible.
Opinions on freelee the banana girl?
I made oc for once in my life and wanted fit to berate me into the ground and make me regret all my life decisions in one swift move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdQ4TVncurw
I've been vegan for almost 3 months but havent worked out in almost a year.
I came here to see if there was a thread like this because I want to start again.
Is it still, eat mostly carbs for preworkout and eat mostly protein for post workout? I googled it and a couple sources say to get mostly carbs post-workout, is that bs and should i buy some protein powder?
>>37893839
Fruit, sweet potato or oats before workout, beans or lentils after workout
>>37883137
Keto master race reporting in. Look at this steak!
>>37893432
Good video, great editing, your tone needs to be watched at some points.
>>37884235
Hehe
>>37891186
>vegan diet contains
>hitler
>child abusing baby killers
>alt right
>neo nazis
No offense to semi-literate skinheads, I'd rather hunt some deer with with alt left, gun toting, breast feeding, feel-the-bern relatives, senpai.
>>37883446
A representative republic is a type of democracy you mongoloid
Dont forget your B12 guis.
>>37893431
You're a massive hypocrite then breh. That other anon gave you tons of proof and supported hypotheses and your response is "lel but sheep r coot so idgaf"
>>37897583
How am I a hypocrite? My philosophy isn't that all life is equal to the point where a sheep's life is an even trade with a fly's life. If I have to choose between sheep lives and insect lives, I'm going to favor the sheep. The case of the fish dying is unfortunate, but even that sounds like the better option is to buy organic cotton, not breed and slaughter sheep.
>>37883295
Fecal matter is about 60% bacteria, and the bacteria in your guy change in response to your diet. The bacteria that flourish with vegetables smell better.
>>37897852
>If I have to choose between sheep lives and insect lives, I'm going to favor the sheep
Why? There is no basis for a sheep having more worth than an insect, a rodent, or a fish. Literally all it is is that you're too stupid to look past your mammal bias and actually live what you preach.
>>37898094
Forget about me for a second, you personally value a sheep as much as a cricket or a ladybug? They're relatively intelligent creatures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3VQSDJzBT8
How far does your equal value philosophy extend? Are bacteria and humans of equal worth to you? Tell me more
>>37888699
I only wear recycled/ reused clothes
fast fashion like H&M and other shit tier mall stuff is horrible for the environment
we have a serious abundance of clothes in the world. But I got a few wool shirts that I bought used from a thrift shop and don't feel horrible about wearing it
>>37898165
>focusing on insects while ignoring small mammals and fish because they're inconvenient to your argument
Case in point why veganism is a joke. But yes, I'd rather kill one sheep after it lived a full and happy life than kill thousands of rodents, lizards, snakes, and fish for cotton clothes. I'd eat it afterwards too to make sure the sheep didn't go to waste.
>vegan shills on /pol/
>vegan shills on /fit/
the liberal voter recruitment if in full force
>>37898928
I'm not sure what's worse: the vegan faggot shills or the /pol/ shills.
>>37899058
vegan faggot shills ARE from /pol/
turning "muh animal feels" into left wing votes is amazingly easy.
>>37899135
/pol/ has leftwingers? All my experiences with crossboarders have been neo-nazis with delusions of grandeur.
>>37893431
>>37897852
>>37898165
You're not a real vegan then, sorry. Insects count as animal life, there's a reason vegans don't consume insects for protein or use silk products.
![aiqWBkAzTaUHbLJ-1600x900-noPad[1].jpg_1455874870.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mVsqqrT.jpg "aiqWBkAzTaUHbLJ-1600x900-noPad[1].jpg_1455874870.jpg")
>>37898879
The other guy, who's probably you, used insect deaths as his argument. Before that he even brought up micro-organisms. Now you're moving the goalposts. I was kind enough to pretend that wool farming is a safe, enjoyable practice for sheep.
> I'd eat it afterwards too to make sure the sheep didn't go to waste.
My favorite example of human arrogance on the topic of killing animals. Like the animal should feel honored that YOU ate it, and its corpse wasn't "wasted" on whatever else would have eaten it.
>>37899230
I wouldn't call myself a vegan anyway but in the context of purposeful sheep exploitation vs insects inevitably getting into harvesting equipment, the lesser evil in my opinion is by far the insects, which I think most people would agree with. If you accidentally step on an insect, you'd probably think "oops" and keep walking. If you hit a dog with your car, you'd stop and grieve.
>>37899617
It was two different anons, I even said so from the beginning breh. There's no way in hell I'd Google shit just to convince a vegan who has zero desire to be convinced regardless of the facts or their own beliefs. But you keep suckling that vegan cock despite all logical and moral arguments showing it's more harmful to buy cotton clothing.
>>37899661
Not a vegan, but when I said I'm not convinced, I meant I'd rather not kill sheep than not kill bugs, not that I'm denying that farming isn't 100% perfect in every way. It's the same argument people make when they talk about harvesting grains and legumes vs grass-fed beef or whatever. It's a weak argument and basically just a defensive response to the statement that stabbing animals in the neck isn't nice, by people who don't want to not stab animals in the neck. But you know what, for the sake of argument, let's say wool > cotton in all ways, definitely. Are you planning on avoiding things like meat, eggs, etc to become something like a vegan but who also wears wool?
>>37892409
>His website is great.
Fucking kek
You sound like a Creationist talking about Ken Ham
>>37899925
How?
>>37899617
>If you hit a dog with your car, you'd stop and grieve.
Not even if it was my dog.
>>37899952
Damn, you're hardcore
>>37899979
If you stop and cry over running over random animals because they are too stupid to not play in the street, you are emotionally unstable.
>>37899617
>Like the animal should feel honored that YOU ate it, and its corpse wasn't "wasted" on whatever else would have eaten it.
Why are vegans so fucking autistic?
Is a rabbit "wasted" after my dog eats it? Nature is the cycle of energy being re-fed into the system. Quit being so retarded about the fundamental basics of life.
So OP no one has been able to answer this question for me. Maybe you can help.
I was told you can't choose to be vegan but are born as one. Or is there a difference between being gay and vegan?
>>37900006
Exactly what I'm saying. Why are you mad?
>>37899950
>look, I found three people with degrees that agree that rest of their field in wrong! Look at they're website, they're legit!
Uncanny
>>37900037
Explain your point in more detail if you can
>>37899893
You keep focusing on the bugs while ignoring all of the mammals, fish,and reptiles that are affected. I can only imagine this is intentional since I already pointed out that it was wrong.
>Are you planning on avoiding things like meat, eggs, etc to become something like a vegan but who also wears wool?
No, because all of those can be obtained in ecologically and morally responsible ways. I have no problem with killing animals if it's as painless as possible and for a purpose. My issue is with how animal products and meat are usually obtained, but wool is one of the few exceptions in that the industrial fashion is actually pretty harmless.
>>37900056
>You keep focusing on the bugs
That's the only point that was made. I asked for for more information after he claimed billions of animals died for what one sheep could provide, he came back with statistics on insects and one incident 20 years ago of not even half a million fish dying, whereas millions of sheep are slaughtered yearly for meat.
>all of those can be obtained in ecologically and morally responsible ways
Many would argue there's no morally acceptable way to systematically slaughter animals, and any hope of ecological responsibility goes out the window as the scale of operation increases. The way I see those arguments, it's just trying to deal with a problem you realize exists and is worth doing something about, without having to really sacrifice anything, and as a result you get a half-assed solution like "we promise our cows died nicely with a smile on their face, don't mind the methane"
>>37892244
neither can babies or mentally ill, thats not justification to kill babies, or the mentally ill.
We know animals are not as clever us anon...dont miss the obvious point man
>>37900006
nothing in this post justifies you killing animals...
Your dog is carnivore, you have 0 need to eat corpses...
>>37892244
>animals are robots
>animals play for survival
how do you honestly believe this? Have you never been around animals?
>>37892244
...we're animals bro...
>>37883124
i always said id never get preachy....once you start telling your IRL mates and senpai you are veg, you will loose it after the many stupid comments and jokes you will get your way.
Then they will claim you are the asshole ofc...
welcome to the dark side cult vegan religon doe m8
>>37892244
(you)
i went vegan, at first didnt exercise or eat that healthy, just mock meats and pasta....literally same kinda diet as before...felt no changes, except less mucus from no dairy
Now eat a fuck load of fruit and veg and fucked off the mock meats
>energy up
>shits comes out great (still smell tho... i never got the better smelling shits lol)
>harder boners
>just happier :)
>>37883089
having some slips ups isnt bad, its gonna happen, dont let it stop you now mayte
>>37883125
how does that picture justify killing animals when there is no need to do so
>hurr durr tribes need to kill to survive, that means im justified to kill when i have no reason
you baited me sen
Any of you fags try juicing (vegetables not roids)? I've started intermittent fasting (leangains) as well as juicing, I have noticed with the juice I am making gains despite being on a calorie deficit.
I think that there is a lot of truth to veganism, or at least massively increasing how many vegetable one eats and cutting out processed food. But it seems pretty clear we're evolved to eat meat. Hopefully in the next few years I can get all my meat from hunting and fishing.
>>37902096
Like, vegetable juice?
I'm not sure about vegetable juice but fruit juice is worse than eating fruits. It's all sugar and no fiber, which is a large part of eating fruits.
I assume it's similar with vegetables.
>>37902133
Yeah so I juice a couple of apples, a lemon, then a bunch of kale, 5 stalks of celery, 1 cucumber and some ginger. Mostly veg, fruit juice is too sugary.
>>37901414
how does veganism justify killing plants when there is no need to do so
>hurr durr tribes need to uproot things to survive, that means im justified to eat vegetables when i have no reason
Nice bait, faggot
>>37902186
>its another "but vegans kill plants" argument
>>37902186
>when there is no need to do so
>>37902209
>>37902224
Exactly.
There is no need to kill plants when there's perfectly good animals running around.
I myself prefer vegans. Docile, weak, and a nice sweet grass-fed taste.
>>37902096
I prefer to just eat the veggies whole, although sometimes I wish I had a juicer for throw-away bits like kale stalks
As for evolved to eat meat, I think it's more accurate to say we evolved alongside meat eating. It played a role in how we developed, physically and socially, but evolved to eat it is hard to say when so many health problems are associated with it
>>37893432
Would slam/10
>>37902286
Low nutritional value though and they taste like compost even if you deep fry. What gives?
>>37902352
The Starbucks is 2 blocks from my house. It's convenient protein.
>not making vegan jerky to offgas the smell
Shyggy dyggy
