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>>37410090
>>37422303
Do people actually cook stuff up in their basements like that picture implies?
>>37422354
your trusted ugl probably does too.
>>37422416
>Probably
>>37422354
yes, and what you're seeing there is actually the cleanlier end of the spectrum with UGLs
Listen m8, no matter what any faggot tells you, NONE of this shit is "pharma grade" or approaching anything close to it.
99% of the black market steroid industry all comes from the same place: china. And the quality is a fucking crapshoot. Often low purity, and contrary to popular belief these chinese "companies" are not companies at all, they are an operation just like most UGLs: one or two people reselling hormone raws they got from a legitimate factory (probably stolen) somewhere in china.
Its a dirty business, but thats what you get if you want to have affordable sterons and not bring the heat on yourself by stealing from pharmaceutical shipments
>>37422354
Where do you think it comes from? People spout shit about having a clean room but in reality it's all kinda ghetto.
FL had better equipment than pretty much anyone on sst right now. Half of them don't even describe their brewing/sterilization process which sketches me out.
>>37422354
What SAK said about raws too
>>37422444
I often ask sources if they overdose to compensate for impurities and I've gotten a bunch of responses where they say "nah bro my source is legit. Everything is 99% pure" like how can they be that fucking retarded?
>>37422499
I got my stuff tested by Jano and it was over 97% so I'd assume it does happen now and again.
>>37422444
>>37422468
Thanks for the replies. I know literally nothing about steroids, but I've always wondered how bad they were adulterated before they got to the user.
>>37422499
>I often ask sources if they overdose to compensate for impurities and I've gotten a bunch of responses where they say "nah bro my source is legit. Everything is 99% pure" like how can they be that fucking retarded?
to be frank mate, the steroid community is inundated with retards.
chinese are unscrupulous fucks, of course they're not going to be honest about their product. Lol @ the guys who really believe those fake certificates every "company" in china has.
Nobody questions why these supposed hyooge industrial intermediate and API producers that run massive facilities have their sales department operating out of tiny studio apartments in chinese mega-apartment blocks?
why when you find a "facility" address you're looking at an empty plot of land on google earth, or at best a suspiciously small building that could not possibly house the claimed production lines?
There are legitimate production faciltiies in china, but readily accessible to westerners they are not.
the honest sources in the UGL world at least admit their shit comes from china and they have to test every batch because the chinks will give them good shit one month and terrible shit the next.
>>37422555
its a crap shoot. You can get 4 or 5 good batches and then suddenly youve got purtities as low as 37%.
Often I think what is happening is they are adulterating the powder with a siginificantly cheaper androgen. People think this only happens most often with the exotic and expensive compounds, but lmao, it happens with testosterone and dbol too.
>>37422603
lol more likely adulterated from china, than your ugl. Ugl is likely to underdose/contaminate.
>>37422303
anyone get chest pains or heartburn on clen? did it go away?
>>37422444
Always wondered where the fuck all the pharma in the uk is coming from
I want to add in defense of the chinese, they are the last "frontier" for halfway decent gear that isnt stolen pharma
what i mean is, if the chinese ever do get pressured into clamping down on this business like the US and various EU agencies have been imploring with them for years now, thats it for the steroid game brothers.
Of course, people will still get steroids, but its going to get even nastier. Guys synthesizing testosterone in their kitchens with the same kind of nasty improvised jobs people do to get cocaine or amphetamines from precursors.
The yield will be low and very fucking unclean.
Luckily i think we're a ways off that yet. China doesn't really care about the fact they the major source of PEDs in the world, and they don't ever want to look like they are kowtowing to western pressure.
>>37422688
Probably turkey or moldova and ukraine if I had to guess. Theres still few countries in Europe where you can get pharmaceutical products over the counter, fairly cheaply too.
>>37422688
uk doesnt have super strict roid laws, last time i checked.
funny how a different pose can change much in how your shoulders and trapz look in size
Could someone please answer a few questions for me?
I want to start 200mg test per week as I cut.
1. I have access to testosterone enanthate (Test E300). Is this the correct form of test, as mentioned in the pastebin and commonly referred to?
2. should I inject 200mg all at once and then wait a week, or should I spread it out, injecting a little more every couple days?
3. Do I need to take every supplement listed in the pastebin, especially on such a low dose? Cialis seems especially expensive to get. I already take fish oil, vitamin D and do my cardio. Are any supplements critical for 200mg test weekly?
>>37422908
1. Yeah that's test enth
2. You'd want to inject twice a week
3. Not at all. You might not even need an AI if you're not sensitive to e2
>>37422906
arms look bigger too
>>37422961
it's either the arm pose or the trap pose. Need to be bigger to be able to do both
thinking about blasting EQ+ TEST for bulk after this.
Anyone got that anxiety from EQ?
>>37422906
Your skin looks like an old mans with all the liverspots
>>37423073
My phone can't make proper shots with darkness, It becomes noisy somehow. fcking samsung s5 shit-tier
but you're mirin anyway, sometimes it's harder to admit
>>37423034
Read
>>37423107
Had a fun night desu. Slept at her place, too drunk to do much though.
>I thought you were an asshole druggie at first. But you're chill as fuck. What are you doing Saturday?
Here have some bait then.
>>37423034
legit EQ dosed high + very low test, you will look amazing. Trust me.
> Anyone got that anxiety from EQ?
Not really, the worst anxiety ive ever gotten was on tren.
I get hungry as fuck on EQ though. To the point it can be quite annoying.
>>37422444
>>37422468
Stop it, you're flattering me.
>>37423217
hey fatty wots up
How does DNP mix with testosterone?
>>37423138
Yeah. that's what i also hate; To dose those amps proper. it's either 250, 500 or more
Good to hear you had a fun time breh.
>>37423184
Why low test tho? I know that eq will bring that crazy vascurlaity. I love that
sounds pretty nice tho. What dose would be good?
>>37423249
Nothing much, got a call back from another job application I put in over a week ago, looks like I've got two jobs now.
>>37423268
E4d of 250mg comes out to 400/week though. But it's likely 275mg because 1ml amps have 1.2ml in them.
>>37423268
Low test because Eq also aromatizes iirc. But at half the rate test does or something.
>>37423286
How come your mom let you have 2
>>37423304
Not even 1/2
How many of you homebrew?
>>37423322
>How come your mom let you have 2
Affirmative action.
>>37423268
>Why low test tho?
because guys look like fucking shit on high test, without fail. The only guys who think they look good are the other bloated messes in the gym, everyone else sees an uncanny valley effect, a muscular, apparently lean guy but for some strange reason looks like hes fighting off infection, stockpiling fluid all over the body.
some circles will nod their heads knowingly about what i just said, others will treat it as heretical, but seriously just try it.
>>37423304
On paper boldenone roughly at half the rate of testosterone yes, but in practice boldenone metabolizes to a fairly potent aromatase inhibitor, so not many guys will get estrogenic side effects from it
>>37423374
That's new to me. Didn't know.
What's the high Eq or no Eq meme about btw?
>>37423374
can you elaborate?
How does one look shit on high test cycle?
Apart from obvious stuff like acne
>>37423374
do what the olympic sprinters do.
high test while bulking and looking like shit
diet down on like 250mg for a few months and look good.
when you're lean you don't an AI and don't have much estrogen
never juice at above 12% BF unless you wanna look liked a bloated fat piece of shit
>>37423304
Up the ai dose then
>>37423374
Yeah me too. I look like a bloated potato on high test. But would 500 test and 600 bold proper? I remember that JM looked awesome on that dose
I got some bottle top filters recently, but they weren't holding a vacuum. I figured out why my bottle top filters wouldn't hold the vacuum, and it was simply because it wasn't airtight. I had to push the top against my thigh to get an airtight seal and only then did it hold a vacuum.
How do I make it airtight so I can start filtering faster than with those shitty syringe filters? It only came with these crappy plastic dust covers.
Also, the filters themselves are plastic, which I didn't factor in when I decided to buy them. Are they still good to use, considering they'll be under pressure?
>>37423261
they're both powders so they'd mix fairly well i'd imagine.
interesting question.
>>37423467
look the dirty secret most steroid users are loathe to admit (or even acknowledge) is that the vast majority of your "gains" on the rons are actually fluid.
Building muscle tissue still takes a really long time even with steroids, any dramatic increases in size and bodyweight in a matter of weeks i can assure you is mostly fluid.
It also, putting it bluntly, looks like shit. You don't look healthy when you are carrying huge amounts of fluid, not to mention all the other side effects that are common to testosterone, acne and what not.
other compounds are ironically better tissue builders mg for mg than testosterone is, but because they lack the fluid loading characteristics, many guys mistakenly think they are "weak".
After all, it is very ego pleasing to look at the scale climb up and to see stretch marks develop as your water balloons fill up.
When you are actually muscular and look sharp with a glossy skin texture, you look far more impressive and healthy. You also need to spend less money on all the nonsense drugs to keep the side effects under control like you do with massive test doses. And while the "gains" arent as fast, they are absolutely real and will persist longer when you do come off.
>>37423462
its purely anecdotal, but EQ starts to really shine in the high dose range where other steroids its really fucking debatable that its even worth increasing the dose after a certain point.
Personally, i suspect the higher dose shines because of the greater total conversion to boldenone's 5AR reduced form, dihydroboldenone also known as 1-testosterone.
(1-testosterone cypionate was/is available, but i would strongly suspect it to be fake if anyone was carrying it.)
>>37423552
personally i went as low as 150mg/week test, eq as high as 1 gram /week
some european on muscular development were doing similar but EQ in the 2-3 gram range. ridiculous, but they did indeed look thick, solid, tight.
>>37423368
Gotta get those diversity hires right?
Are they both the same type of position?
>>37423644
For a beginner cycle would you still just recommend sticking to test?
>>37423597
They're all plastic short of going for something like the OP pic. The dust cover it comes with should work fine.
>>37423687
Pretty much.
Did you want the combo or just the sandwich?
>>37423709
yes, but with the caveat that my recommendation is usually because its cheap, readily available and not faked as much as other compounds.
>>37423721
I tried the dust cover. It does nothing. It's literally just a cover. It just doesn't hold the vacuum with the cover since it's not airtight.
>>37423644
But you can grow on that too? Like you would on 750mg test only?
>>37423753
You want bottletop filters with a 45mm screw-in threading with accompanying media bottle. Sounds like you got a Whatman Zapcap or something, those are only good for automatic vacuum pump systems using water or electric. Zapcaps don't work with a hand vacuum pump, look at Millipore Stericups or Nalgene MF75s.
>>37423797
I got a Corning filter, but you're saying I've got 10 filters here that are now useless because they're not airtight?
>>37423770
you absolutely grow
its just real muscle growth, not the ridiculous fluid loading illusion of high test.
I know i sound a certain way when im describing this, but I'm absolutely being serious, people seriously underestimate just how much size can result from fluid. Easily 10+lbs
>>37423851
10lbs is a huge understatement.
Thoughts on running say, 150/600 test Eq for a long time?
>>37423848
Without an electric pump, yeah.
my vg is sore after sitting in the office all day
I pinnned yesterday morning shit I also biked to work
should I take some aleeve or tylenol?
>>37423861
long time is the best way to run eq. steady, solid increases instead of rapid weight gain is the way to go. Much healthier too.
Thing you gotta be careful of with EQ is underdosed products or relabelled deca
>>37423632
uhh could you name one of those compounds, or even your favourite one?
The first thing that jumps into my mind is nandrolone.
Also thank you for you very detailed output
>>37423851
Interesting point. You're right about that, people underestimate the bloat weight. But i wasn't aware that eq had the same muscle grow potential without the fluid.
Thanks
>>37423851
what about tren senpai?
>>37423906
what do you think would be a good dosage/ratio for like test/tren perma-"blast"? I'm a healthy male and do cardio and have kinda low bp, lean
Sup brehs. Ebay ABS Ibutamoren capitalist here. I am interested in an invite to the trip whatsapp with the sole purpose of discussing USA domestic sources as two of the best US sources have suddenly disappeared. If I am wasting time and no one wants to discuss this topic please ignore.
>sak
oh thank god, someone else that actually knows shit
>>37421631
>I know 1 anon over here that is big and bimbo of course. The rest is too pusy to post pic or aren't bimbo or brothama big
mast pls
>>37423906
problem with the whole test bloof shit is it kinda goes out the window with gh
>>37423744
Will this be your first "legit" job?
if so how did you manage to get to 28* without having a job?
I know you were chief running gear only for the last few years
>>37423851
I hopped back on test 2-3weeks ago and I've gained 5-6kg
And im still cutting.. fuckin water retention huh breh
>>37424434
Until you hit me with a shirtless pic I can't be name dropping you with the aesthetics
>>37424473
hey now, he said big not cut
LET ME HAVE MY LITTLE VICTORIES DAMMIT
>>37424473
Brick is a qt
>>37424593
>>37424637
tfw you will never been in the trip inner circle
>>37425022
Literally add a trip and shit post for 3 years
Ez
>that mental anticipation of a tren cycle
>feeling like child right before xmas
I absolutely love tren
>>37425022
>>37425125
>shit post for 3 years
More like 2 weeks
Ez
>>37424637
>>37424880
just for that, you both get to see a terrible gym selfie
>>37425134
dude
...
dude
>>37425134
I'm up 30lbs in 2 weeks
Fucking tren
Loving life
#tigerblood
>>37425145
Ive maintained alot of my size and shreds even though I took time off from lifting. Tren would push me into fitness model mode again. God and the feels on test tren mast. Jeeezus. Positivity up the wazoo
>literally excited about becoming a dry veiny striated cock
>>37424113
tren is pretty great if it doesn't bother you. Its another drug that I feel responds highly favorably with a low test ratio.
as for a perma blast I think its silly and shortsighted. Also, i used to think that "receptor burnout" is a dumb myth, and I still think that, but there definitely is a massive response drop off the longer you are riding high dosages.
rather than a receptor mediated mechanism being responsible for that, I believe its probably an interaction with myostatin.
whatever the case may be, its good to either get off or massively reduce dosages/compounds for both health and for future gains. Blasting and cruising is fine as a concept, but in practice many guys just stubbornly refuse to actually go on HRT dosages of testosterone during their cruise phase, so really they are just permanently blasting.
Keeping test low will help keep BP low. A lot of the increase in blood pressure is due to excess fluid and salt retention. I still lmao at the bloofy dudes at the gyms i go to turning purple from working out and someone them bleeding out of their nose doing easy work. That should be a sign to ease off, but morons tell themselves it makes them hardcore to have a body so fragile it bleeds out of its breathing apparatus under a modicum of stress.
>>37424434
shit m8 if you can afford GH year round, power to you. Here that shit is prohibitively expensive. Luckily what GH is available is usually legit pharma (probably stolen off the back of a truck lol)
>>37425170
>>37425167
I'm going to some festivals at the end of June so can't go too hard with my blast til that's past but afterwards I'm thinking of hopping on tren for the first time and maybe adding var and winny since i have that already
Vry excited
>>37425205
It'll be great
It'll be huge
I'm telling you you're gunna be huge
It'll be phenomenal
>>37425254
All I want is the dick skin look!
One day I may
>>37425170
I'm angry at myself for taking this 5 week summer course, gotta prioritize and not go apeshit for a lil while when I've got a firehose of information hooked up to my ear
>>37425197
receptor density and sensitivity upregulation, myonuclei upregulation, but with the correlative monkeying to cortisol, thyroid, etc levels that throws it
at least that's my best educated guess
>A lot of the increase in blood pressure is due to excess fluid and salt retention.
the water/salt/potassium triangle is a bitch, but I've seen shit that actually nixes excess salt as an actual viable method to controlling systolic or diastolic
really comes down to a lot more subtle shit like vasculature tone, cardiac load, etc being exacerbated by the increased fluid retention from gear which in turn is itself exacerbated by the classic nobody really gets it right with fluid replenishment and electrolyte balancing bullshit
using huge amounts of highly aromatizing shit without the concordant ai whack-a-mole, eating like shit, no cardio, etc
>shit m8 if you can afford GH year round, power to you
it's pretty easily within my chosen career's fiscal grasp, especially if these nignogs keep popping up offering <$2/iu pharma and their shit actually checks out
like 4-6 month blocks cruising at 250mg test u and 4iu gh then ~1g test, 400mg tren e, 400mg mast e, 6-8iu gh, some orals for funsies
maybe look into proliferation and potentiation boom cycling with mgf and gh/igf, potentiation with peps and/or mk, etc
SO EXCITE
>>37425205
Did zyzz die for nothing? You're supposed to get joocy for festivals not joocy for after.
https://youtu.be/NI5PzBBBmm0
>>37425321
I feel you. Similar thing here. As long as diet is in check you won't lose much. Poor natties. Miss a little gym time there goes a year of gains.
Cortisol has an antagonist relationship with anabolic hormones. It makes sense that there would be a negative feedback mechanism
>>37424450
I was in college for two years, and I had my little online business for around three years, a bit of that is concurrent with the college courses, but yeah, this will be my first time employment.
>>37425384
Don't forget your personal reflection
>>37425394
That too.
>>37425321
MGF is very interesting and i suspect its easier to find real MGF for relatively cheap than it is to find IGF-1
We had an interesting situation in australia. Theres actual legitimate clinics that require nothing more than a questionnaire and online consultation prescribing peptides to people now.
I dont know how long that will last, but for the time being the government isnt doing anything about it. They were cracking down on "anti-aging clinics" for unethical practices however, so who knows
>>37425321
>take viagra
>dick still doesn't get 100% hard
>>37425496
My dad just put down one of our goats with a .44 revolver last week.
>>37425410
>buy peptides off of alibaba for about $1 per vial
>rent building and furbish it to look like a clinic
>get some chiropractor to "prescribe" peptides to people
>sell peptides for about $100 per vial
Honestly it's a really clever business strategy until it gets banned
>>37425410
I'll be back lifting on 400 test/week indefinitely soon. And possibly dropping to 200/600 test Eq later on.
I was putting up 265/200/440/440 incline BP/press/sq/dl at 165-170bw before.
Any guesses how fast/how much faster I'll grow back into that? I never stopped cruising on 200mg either.
>>37425378
my problem is just that the leaner I get the further down I want to go, but at the same time I get livid losing any strength at all and having to work back up to shit I was firing up like it was my bitch
like I want to be leaner and leaner before going full-on bulk mode but it's been at least 4 months of back and forth bullshit just nickel and diming me to death, necessitating me pulling my attention away from my goals with nutrition/training/gear/etc resulting in this kinda stutter-step that makes me want to pull my hair out
same kinda vein with fucking my hip up a good lil bit, finally accepted that I'm just going to bottom out and start from scratch doing volume with like 245 and mobility work out the ass, grind my squat back up and to where it needs to be in the low-mid 5s
this fucking gearbox sitting two feet away from me isn't helping shit either with its goddamn siren call
>>37425410
that's some wild shit
the whole mixing mgf, igf1, etc is so fucking far out there past what anyone else here is really ever going to even think about that it's really just a thought exercise for me right now, like filing it way the fuck back there in my toolbox for if/when it's viable, kinda like all that shit I still have rattling around from quad talking about myo-reps and all that relatively esoteric shit
actually in that kinda vein, I love getting wired on a couple pots of coffee and just watching shit from chris duffin, it's like I can feel all of this bleeding edge stuff just percolating through my brain
>between college semesters
>fat ass brother threatens to "beat the shit out of me" after i called him a dumb piece of shit for almost killing the dog
>i egg him on to show that he's too much of a bitch to do it, start calling him fat and shit
>parents start bitching at me not to challenge him
it's funny cuz they are all fat as shit and now that i am fit they treat me like the devil compared to my brother
>>37422303
guys, who's the best source from reddit?
also, aside from test-e, what do you recommend for a cycle? i was thinking eq for weeks 1-20 and then test-e 500 mg weeks 1-22
What do you guys use to spice up vegetables and chicken thats low sodium?
I am going to be making my own teriyaki marinade tomorrow that has almost no sodium and probably tastes like shit but at least its a different kind of shit than plain flavored shit.
Also, while on cycle how many mgs of sodium are you guys allowing yourselves each day?
>>37425924
Bragg's or Whole foods' brand of nutritional yeast
If carbs are high, sodium is low and vice versa.
<20g carb keto diet = 8-9g sodium for me
750g carbs = pretty much no added sodium and 60-80g fat.
300-500g carbs about 5g sodium.
>>37425900
I'd do:
250mg test-e
300mg EQ. Increase 100mg monthly.
Cleaner gains and less chance of high e2 Having to use AI all the time sucks. AIs should never be regularly used imo.
>>37425924
>Also, while on cycle how many mgs of sodium are you guys allowing yourselves each day?
i would like to know this as well, i haven't been tracking but i am just eating literally only brown rice, grilled chicken, and vegetables so i cant imagine it being high at all
>>37425924
Use herbs. I specially like fresh rosemary leaves.
>>37425996
Are you talking about 5-9 for a whole day?
Im struggling to stay under 500, and thats with everything bland as hell. about 1000-1500 sodium a day if im eating stuff that tastes halfway decent.
>>37426013
so do you have any idea on source? i want good clean product, preferably u.s domestic
>>37426045
>Are you talking about 5-9 for a whole day?
Hm?
You shouldn't restrict sodium on cycle. If your BP is high with a proper amount of sodium, water, and potassium then something's not right about your cycle.
You don't want to cut out sodium. You need it for hydration.
>>37426070
JJ is a source. put your email up and he will probably send you a price list.
>>37426070
Just for raws.
But we can't talk sources here, duude.
>>37426090
anyone have any idea how i can get jj's email?
>>37426085
>>37426085
I like to keep my sodium low in general because i hate water weight. When i am on test i get water weight and try to limit that as much as i can, so i try and go a little lower with it.
bloat is the worst. trying out 350mg test e and 500mg mast e and see how that works for keeping water weight down. Still got to make 205 and that pesky water weight fucking sucks.
Night, guys.
>>37426111
ok say i want to order from top gear for you- he's not domestic. Is this a risky move? Am I in more danger ordering from this non u.s domestic guy
>>37426163
domestic has way less chance of getting grabbed by customs. etc.
>>37426184
thanks for the help
what are the odds of ordering non domestic and having it shipped to the u.s and it being grabbed by customs? is it minimal?
>>37422303
is dark matter labs legit whatsoever? they're verified on the sst but im stil not sure since they're not big name
>>37426192
there is literally 0 reason in the entire world to not order domestic
>>37426192
No reason to do so like anon says. it takes forever, is risky, and i can guarantee that price point isnt going to be THAT much better to warrant ordering over seas.
Only way i could see that is if you had like a buddy in thailand that was getting pharma grade shit over the counter and mailing to you in a teddy bear or some shit hahah
are my pin spots supposed to be sore? I don't suppose riding my bike helped
>>37426283
thanks dude, I think i'm going to go domestic then. I only wanted to go international because the international guys have a better selection of orals
but what do you tink about darkmatterlabs? should i trust any source on the verified source list on the sst? Does it not matter who i choose from from there?
>>37426229
To you and any other anons
We can not discuss sources here. We can tell you to go to sst but that's as far as the source talk here can really go before bans are dished out
>>37426373
Just read (current) reviews and go from there. Ive never used them personally but if they say verified not scammer its a better bet than one that says scammer :P
>>37426289
>are my pin spots supposed to be sore?
No not unless its a virgin muscle you just pinned.
Last time I had pip it ended with a 3 day hospital stay because of a sterile abscess.
>>37427038
Have you complained to the hospitals hipaa officer about that yet
>>37427038
Whose gear were you using, Jerry's?
>>37427122
Yeah I filed a complaint.
>>37427213
Syndicate Labs
>>37427122
Sup jerry. How's your Friday
Pic unrelated. Add it to your collection for sick burns.
>>37427301
>pic
ice cold
>>37427395
Fraud is dead
going clubbing tonight
what do i need to look fresh and juicy.
have to pin 100mg of tren anyway, thinking of throwing in some clen before i go out to get nice and vascular.
what are my options?
>>37427633
yeah, inner circle seems to have abandoned it pretty much
oh well :c
>>37427648
>inner circle
Sounds like some secret society stuff like the banking exec pedo ring.
>>37427719
nah, just a clique of roided manlets circle jerking on WA
good trips usually just pop in for a few hours then leave, rip
even jerry is ascending
>>37427744
Smh even jerry?
>>37427769
>>37427744
jerry evolved into elaine, then into chad.
>>37427769
even jerry
soon he'll be filling up 3d girls instead of dakis
>>37427779
>>37427789
They grow up so fast. Our little boy is now a Chad.
>>37427633
Idk what happened we had a real community ages ago. I've been browsing since October 2013.
>>37427301
I hate Fridays because I have work early Saturday but that's the only time my friend's gfs let them leave the house.
>>37427719
It's exactly like that
>>37427789
How do you do this
Step by step please
500 test
500 deca
500eq
15 weeks.
or
500 test
750 eq
250 deca
20 weeks?
Are any of you actually happy / content with your size, literally not trying to get bigger?
is such a thing even possible?
>>37428567
you can never be big enough
>>37428567
>>37428715
Tough pill to swallow.
>>37427229
What did the hospital do?
Damn it, I always miss Steroid Abusing Kangaroo.
If you see this breh, leave your addy/ hit me on my email in the archive
What is minimal dose of masteron to get the hardening effects? Thanks
>>37428834
hello friend you didnt miss me
In like another 40lbs I'll start tripping and fuck /fraud/ up
I'm too small right now at 6'1" 200lbs 15% but I'll get there
whats up guys, about to get on my first test E cycle. the test i use is galenika, which i am pretty are fakes, but its probably test anyway just not as good quality, so im using it anyway.
anyway i will be injecting 500mg e5d and what i wonder is, is hcg really necessary?
>>37428463
I think bostin loyd did something like this in his off season, 800/600/600 or something, I would go 400 test, 600 deca, fuck eq, up deca if you want.
>>37428856
fuck yes
wholeheartedly in agreement with the low test/high tren environment. Pretty much everything you'd explained to me way back when has been 100% correct.
Did you ever get your hands on mtren? I'm still lost on where to find it, I finally found a source which turned out to be great but was busted before I could get onto them
>>37428463
I'd go the longer route personally. More time on for gains, within reason
>>37429021
thats good to hear m8
as for the mtren, theres plenty of suppliers that claim to carry it, of course, but as to whether they actually do is highly questionable. I dont trust chinks at all.
however, (do i get banned for talking about sources now?) the largest well known online retailer in australia (wink wink) had mtren briefly, i dont know if they will restock it.
>>37429067
It's whether it's actually mtren that is the issue. Like you said, plenty claim it is, but they also under dose test and fake EQ so who even knows.
Currently on a PSMF, 250mg Test and 250mg Tren, very keen to get this over and done with. What are your personal thoughts on Tren and NPP together in a mass gaining phase? Likely going to use a low-mid test, high Tren and sdrol combo, but considering giving NPP another shot
>>37429067
Can you post on the other chan the name of the online retailer?
>>37429110
other chan? i hope u dont mean eight because fit is dead on there
id be surprised if you dont know the retailer im talking about, its the only aussie domestic that has a functional webshop instead of an email list
Im going to do a dbol + test blast of
30mg Dbol ED
500mg Test E weekly
And probably Test P EoD to kick start it, My question is though will 500 mg of Test E be enough? I've been cruising on 250mg for the past 11 weeks.
Also how long do I take dbol for? The reddit wiki says for for 6 weeks but thats 60mg ED.
>>37429097
> hat are your personal thoughts on Tren and NPP together in a mass gaining phase?
thats a pretty interesting combo desu. Never tried it, most guys have a dogma about combining 19-nors but thats dumb boogeyman broscience shit.
I bet you have less sides running that then high-test high-tren
probably make some juicy strength gains too if nandrolone keeps your joints feeling good
>>37429161
Do something with less estrogen conversion on your first cycle imo.
Ie 300 test and deca
Anyone ever use Infinity labs on alphabay?
>>37429196
This isn't my first cycle though, I wanted to do something with orals because I hated pinning daily with Tren.
Whats the pinning routine for deca? Never really researched it.
>>37429176
thats what I'm hoping for, mainly. Dirty strength and mass gains. Keep a handle on the fat with Tren and diet, and sdrol for, well, exactly what it's for.
What is the best cycle for a fatty to loose weight ?
My plan is 1500 cal a day + EC stack + Test + Tren. Lost 120 pounds but still fat and need to loose around 25 pounds.
>>37429330
jfc
>>37429342
Is buying straight off there legit, though? Or should I email them?
Monday another job interview.
I pray by allah, jesus, jehova, buddha, mohammed that my nerves don;t fuck it up for me this time.
any tips? shall i go drunk?
>>37429342
Seems like a lot but I plan to run low dose like 175mg / week Test and 350 mg/week Tren-A. Only goal is to loose weight fast while packing on muscle.
>>37429386
except that's not gonna happen fatass
>>37429241
once a week ok, twice optimal
>>37429375
Be on tren
>>37429375
>nerves
get a load of this faggot
is your shit ass skin the source of ur nerves?
>>37429330>>37429386
200mg test and dnp, low cals, be active.
Or you can lose 1-1.5lbs a week and add some muscle with tren.
>>37429375
Did you buy a suit yet? And don't give me that shit about ohh well in this industry we wear twink costumes so I don't need a suit for the interview.
I just got a job last week, wore a bad ass suit to the interview even though standard dress code at this place includes fucking shorts for some reason. This is in a large enterprise IT environment FYI.
>>37429390
It will happen, I now know how to diet. But a good stack will make me look much better in September.
>>37429375
Xanax or Valium before the interview does wonders. Don't go trunk and don't take any stimulant it makes thing worse.
>>37429342
hello mate I hope you can ease my mind a little bit, I'm two weeks into my first basic test e cycle and I've been doing asin e3d at 12.5mg but my sex drive is a little off and erections aren't all that, would it be better for me to switch to 12.5mg e4d or try and break my pills into 6.25mg and dose that e2d?
Im also being a bit of a little bitch in regards to gyno issues, I have ralox on hand and spare nolva and adex incase I don't get on well with asin. So I'm curious as to what the best protocol would be if I were to notice any lumps?
Cheers cunt
>>37429450
that's too late
>>37429457
Say that to my face faggot see what happens with your nerves
>>37429469
Implying i have money for custom made suit. I just have a dress shirt and clean pants.
>>37429469
Does he really not wear a suit?
No wonder he can't get a job.
Fucking meatheads lmao
>>37429495
LOL WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T HAVE A SUIT WHAT THE FUCK WOW FUCKING MANCHILD DETECTED
>>37429495
>>37429497
Fucking americunts..
All of my fathers friends, and he himself make 500K+, most 1m+ and half of them don't wear a suit. And my father steals mine for funerals and shit.
>>37424434
>>37424593
I agree with this masT, we need a shirtless pic to conclude who's the biggest, Brick man
>>37429478
that's too heavy. I have used valium in the past, that shit made me sleepy af
>>37428940
>tfw still have over a year's worth of real galenika left.
>>37429519
Fucking rich kids out of touch with the world
Rich ass fucks hardly ever wear suits
But peons need it.
Maybe if you stopped doing drugs and flying girls around the world you'd understand someday.
>>37429527
Get a suit you bum
>>37429543
It's not all that important here. Compared to the US anyway.
Fucks sake, most people think wearing a jacket is overdressed at times.
My uncle retired with about 20 million, he only ever wore suits to board meetings or when he was meeting people from certain countries, others not so much. It's a cultural thing that makes you jam yourself into that shit tbqh.
hey, i got my hands on some gear that i highly suspect is fake.
the brand is galenika 1ml ampulls amps of test E.
my question is: is it still good to use or should i throw it away and get some new shit?
>>37429492
>custom made
Damnit man just go to goodwill and get something that fits reasonably well. Stop being an autismo juice head and just do it.
>>37429574
Nobody is telling him to wear a suit 24/7 it is just for the fucking interview where you at least wear a button down jacket and fitting trousers. If you get the job you can wear whatever
>>37429574
Oh and it's just for the interview
I dunno if you got that
>>37429492
would lend you one of my suits for some roid advice.
what field are you working in anyways?
>>37429543
It's what notOP is saying; it's not all that important here.
>>37429610
I meant that a standard suit wouldn't fit me probably.
>>37429693
It's not needed buddy, but thanks for the support. You can just ask for advice, i will see what i can do for you.
Business IT & information mangement.
Jobs i aspire;
Application engineer/manager
information analyst
Business Information Manager
>>37429538
Me 2 :D
Btw Gal still hiding?
Questions i always ask during a interview;
how do you feel working for this company?
how does a typical day look like over here
What are the growth opportunities ?
good or?
>>37429905
>how do you feel working for this company?
I don't know if I would ask this. Seems like a strange question. I like the growth opportunities question though.
Whatever you do just be confident even if you are faking it. Projecting confidence will get you far in life. I have no idea if you are any good at talking to girls but basically the same confidence you have talking to a girl is the same confidence you need to have in an interview. Obviously the conversation is completely different however.
>>37429941
I know, the question is kinda personal, but i like to be different.
>I have no idea if you are any good at talking to girls but basically the same confidence
Depends how she looks like. It all depends on the person eventually.
If it's a 10/10 girl, it will be harder, than a 7/10 girl of course. Like it would be easier to dominate some beta male nerd than some freaking top-tier alpha manager. If you catch my drift.
>>37429941
Is this why I don't have a gf?
Guess I should cancel the rest of the gf interviews I had set up
>>37429905
You need to shake his hand firmly and look him in the eye
.I'm about the boss life
job secured
How to Be efron mode as quickly as possible?
20% bf and fat mode.
Really wanna make a change
>>37430001
>tfw dates are pretty much rounds of gf interviews
..I gotta work on my interview technique
>>37430001
70% = attractiveness
30% = confidence
if you're a 10/10, you can shit in her face and she will still suck your dick. That's how it works
jUST GET SOME CONFIDENCE BRO. Why don't you understand this common logic, jerry. Just get some confidence. jesus christ
>>37430022
That JM TACTIC
>>37430031
he wants to go from a fatty to a twink.
how about diet and training m8
>>37430001
>Is this why I don't have a gf?
Well if you are autismo in interviews then yes.
>>37430038
>tfw dates are pretty much rounds of gf interviews
>..I gotta work on my interview technique
Wise statement young grasshopper...
>>37430038
Forget real women
To be honest the kind of love expressed in games doesn't exist in reality. In the games, love is real. The author wills a world into reality wherein love and honest affection is real. In its attempt to be real, it surpasses the original, and indeed BECOMES the original. The original, in our world, is in fact the sham. We wrote poetry to represent the love we felt. We read the poetry and created in ideal love. But, in reality, there is nothing but chemicals and dopamine. True love is not real. It's an idealized emotion no one will ever feel. However, games are different. The girls in games truly love you, for it exists in their reality. There is no need to worry about finding an equivalent in real life. It doesn't exist. No one will love you in real life, because love doesn't exist. It's time to grow wings and fly into the arms of anime girls, the only beings who will ever truly hold love for you.
>>37430041
I think women are just intimidated because I'm literally a god
>>37430031
Fuck off
>>37429875
You need a suit.
Enough with the "rich people don't wear suits". They're rich. They don't need them because they run huge companies already, and they've proven professionalism. You guys are grunts, you need suits. Christ, are you all children?
>>37430092
Jesus, so much autismo in this post lol. How about this, fuck your feelings and chemicals and shams and bullshit. You wanna know what love really is? Love is a commitment to always be there for someone no matter what happens. Love doesn't go away, if you love someone it's forever. It's just a mental decision to dedicate yourself to someone. If they do the same for you then you don't need to worry about all the shit you mentioned in your post.
>>37430092
i have the same feeling srs.
God among man. dat dere god complex
>>37430142
it's copy past
>>37430122
I don't have a suit
>>37430122
>Christ, are you all children?
But maaaaaaaaaaaaaa I don't wannaaaa wear a suit
>>37430184
Buy one. Wide enough so the shoulders fit you and the sleeves are too long (they will be because your shoulders will be wider than that of a normal male). Go to a tailor, get the rest taken in.
There. $100-150 for a cheap suit, another $50-75 to have it tailored and you won't look like a schoolboy in your interview. Wear a nice tie.
I love the crane style suits. Sadly I can't find them anywhere.
And probably wouldn't look good on my anyways
>>37430213
Thanks for the advice, will look into it. It;s an investment, that;s probably necessary as you guys all state.
>like a schoolboy in your interview.
kek
in what field do you operate?
Suit I wore when I got a job a week ago. I got hired on the spot FYI. Standard dress code at this place includes shorts and polos which is what most people wear usually.
>>37430341
Business Development Management and Financial Anaylsis
>>37430343
Go a thinner tie, thick one makes you look wide.
Grab some plain silver cufflinks and a french cuff/hybrid cuff shirt.
>>37425378
Fuck nigga I ain't risking being on tren and orals, while getting smashed on alcohol and potential recreational drugs
I m not redy for the sauna
>>37430363
I appreciate the advice. Now that I wont be such a poorfag soon I definitely plan to upgrade my wardrobe. Are you pretty good with mens fashion?
>>37429519
>>37429574
Unless your father and uncle were doctors, STEM, or something else, then you're lying
Anyone up the ranks in the world of social sciences is well dressed
>>37430041
60% confidence
40% looks
Ugly people just tell themselves that looks mainly matter so that they don't have to try and improve themselves
Does wanting to take ephedrine for fun while cutting make me a weak person?
>>37430576
yes, strong people take DNP
>>37430576
>for fun
what the fuck does that even mean
>>37430092
Honestly Jerry just improve your social skills how hard can it be
>love is not as real as love in games
Delusional
Don't let these cucks on fraud like mastest and manletgains convince you that all women are whores because they're about as out of touch with reality as their social theories are
>>37425900
EQ won't fix your jaw you stupid gook
>>37430539
No offense, but you give bad advice.
Just get some confidence bro, just be yourself advice. Confidence comes with looks, it's really hard to get confidence if you're ugly
>Ugly people just tell themselves that looks mainly matter so that they don't have to try and improve themselves
If you replace ugly with FAT, then yes, you're right
How can you even deny that looks isn't the most important factor? Would you care about an ugly fat girl? BUT Maybe she has a good personality or confidence. Stop fooling yourself
don't forget; JUST BE YOURSELF
hows everyone's cut going
>>37430142
>>37430607
You guys are giving me very sincere answers to a copypasta, and thanks but now I feel bad lol
>commitment
That's why I have azusa
my cholesterol is fucking terrible, will 200mg test weekly kill me?
>>37430801
200mg/week will probably but you a little over natural test levels.
you'll be fine, you should still work on managing your cholesterol levels though.
>>37430656
>girls and guys are attracted to the same things
you're not 16 anymore grow up senpai
>>37430772
does the copypasta not reflect how you feel tho
>>37430722
Like shit.
>>37429875
thanks for the offer! actually i've never done anything. and also i'm anywhere near my natty limit.. i'm about 6'4, 200lbs approx 14%bf. fat is close to 100% located at lower abs section.
if i try to slim down, i lose pretty much all of the little physique i have. and if i bulk, i get sort of a dad bod. i wanted to try a mellow cycle of something that has low side effects (i know bla bla.. - at least i'm not afraid of needles).
any recommendations? obviously i'll keep researching for a while
btw exactly my kind of work field. get a suit.
you probably won't need it afterwards, but there are a hundred kids that come through the door wearing a suit and make the impression of being trustworthy. i wouldn't hire people in IT that interviewed casually - except it's a startup and the kid was from stanford..
>>37430607
>Honestly Jerry just improve your social skills how hard can it be
this guy's bait are really impressive. Better than mine
mirin
If life was all that easy, everyone would be a ripped alpha male fucking 100 bitches everyday
If life was that easy i already was a CEO from Google from day 1. shit man, i just need confidence to get that position
how hard can it be? COME ON BREH
Just think about it, just do it man.
>>37430854
kek, no.. people don't want to date good looking people.. We all want to look at fat and ugly people. We are really different in that regard. That's it.
this getting to the MG delusional level
>>37430892
*nowhere
>>37430897
>social skills = intellect
breh you're taking what im saying and blowing it out of context and over-exaggerating
Fuck honestly
First of all girls are mainly attracted to status among other things before looks
Girls are also more insecure and have a shittier personality than guys in general and will therefore appreciate confidence more than a guy will
Girls also get approached by so many guys that they have no reason to approach the silent good looking guy when they already have 5-6 guys who they know want them
CONFIDENCE MATTERS
but i guess you'll tell yourself anything to protect your ego
>Im ugly thats why i cant get girls
top kek
>>37430892
You're gentle, no need. We'ré on 4chan, everywhere is cancer.
My advice would be; try to at least cut down to 10-11% bf. You will look much better, take full advantages of your cyle and have less e2 effects. Only pros
I always use a combination of keto/carb cycle to cut down. It even get's me sub 10%.
Just make sure you do enough adequate research before starting.
Just start with the standard test cycle;
1-14/16 - Test-e 500mg ew(each week). Test kicks in after 4 weeks, if you can't week till it kicks in you can go for a oral kickstarter(e.g dbol etc)
2 weeks after your last shot;
Take Nolva for 4 weeks(40mg/40mg/20mg/20mg)
>>37430940
Those are least important factors. Looks always goes on the first place
I'am not ugly, you have seen my face. But you clearly lack nuanced thinking skills, if you're saying things like; just get some confidence bro, it's just that easy.
I'am not making things up, that's just how it is.
>>37430405
I like to think so. You don't need to dress to the nines every day, but dressing that tiny bit more stylish (tie, accessories) makes you stand out.
>>37430817
100mg/wk puts most people over natural levels. 200mg/wk can do the trick for most.
>>37431119
Men's fashion 101? I'm retard.
>>37422303
What do you guys use to accurately measure liquid SERM and consume it? P-plz respond
>>37431215
Get something that fits. Nothing super exxy.
Button up shirt - white, light blue, light pink, light teal or grey if you don't sweat during the day
Suit pants - not standard thick trousers they look and wear like shit. Actual suit pants - charcoal, dark navy, black, even dark grey is fine.
Leather shoes (laced or not, your preference, see what others in your office are wearing), match that colour with your leather belt. Shine them if they're supposed to be like that, otherwise just keep them clean if they're matte.
Ties - Thinner ties look more modern. Nothing stupid like red and white stripes because you'll look like a mcdonalds worker. Single colour, moderate silk/shine is fine. No bow ties unless you're overweight Bert in the Compliance department. Thick ties if you're a fat guy. Tie bars if you're working in a really nice place, same with cufflinks. Otherwise don't, you'll look pretentious.
Black socks only.
Get every pair of pants tailored to pull them at your ankle. Learn to pull your sleeves up properly without having to roll them. Wear a thin necklace/chain, a ring if that's your thing and you deal with clients - buy a really fucking nice pen if you deal with clients too - when you're going over paperwork it'll make you look much better.
Go to your hairdresser and literally ask for a corporate haircut. No. 5 on the sides, a bit longer on top and fringe, style it so it's out of your forehead.
>>37431329
A dropper with ml markings
>>37431119
>You don't need to dress to the nines every day, but dressing that tiny bit more stylish (tie, accessories) makes you stand out.
I agree 100% especially when you are in good shape and have a decent face it's like the icing on the cake.
>>37431095
>I'am not ugly
>But you clearly lack nuanced thinking skills
come@me
reality is hard to deal with i know
>>37430854
It does that's why I saved it
But azusa is as real or more than any 3d girl
>>37430940
>First of all.....
it's a combination of look sand confidence.
nothing you or masT has said is wrong, so arguing against each other is dumb
the truth is, when you understand it, it's so obvious. i never understodo it when i was younger. i do now.
it kind of happens by osmosis. dont force it
>>37431339
>Learn to pull your sleeves up properly without having to roll them.
What do you think about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkYV3RwMu4
>>37431119
>100mg/wk puts most people over natural levels. 200mg/wk can do the trick for most.
My test is so low that 3 points lower and I'd need TRT according to my doctor, I'm right on the razor thin edge of the lowest acceptable levels.
But uh, the pastebin says 200mg per week plus PSMF if you want to cut while on roids so that's what I'll do.
>>37431459
IIRC jerry went from fucking heinous levels to well above average on 100mg/wk
PSMF on 200-250mg should be fine. I like to add 250mg of tren as well, but that's just my preference.
>>37431446
You don't need a rubber band, just roll it like that and if it fits you properly, it'll hold. Some shirts have a different inside trim, it should show.
>>37431406
exactly. Fuck, even a nice pen while you talk to clients goes that little bit extra. You'll feel more charismatic, and act it. You can even be a moody aspie, but if you look good you'll land respect. If you're the same person with a billowy shirt and pants that bunch up, you'll be looked at like negatively
>>37431420
I'am all about reality.
Real life brah is my nickname.
come at me
i will crush you and use you as toothpick for mohammed
>>37431459
100 test/week is peak natty levels of an 18 year old roughly and is what most doctors prescribe for TRT. 200/week is fine though but not absolutely required for PSMF.
>>37422705
interesting. I'm chinese and I don't know nothing about roids in China. 99.999999% people have no knowledge about roids/bodybuilding let alone /fraud/. I always assumed all roids were from the west, where it's more popular and people don't look DYEL
how does homebrew work tho? I mean those roids must come from certain drugs (for breast cancer etc.), right? Are they made by substance abstracted from some drug products? What affects purity?
> go into liquor store, not sure if Everclear is banned so go up to the clerk and say
> "I bought some supplements and the vendor said I should dilute it in Everclear. Do you have that?"
> he points it out, $24 for 750 ml, sheeit
> "could you get these supplements over at GNC?"
> "eh, probably not"
> "what's it called?"
> "MK-677"
> "you know, a lot of guys some in here needing Everclear for their herbal extracts."
> he starts getting into Chemistry that I'm not familiar with
Why would anyone drink this shit over cheap wine? I filled up a glass 75% with coke, 25% everclear, and it burns like a mofo. For $16, I can get 4L of 14% low-calorie red wine, quality shit. That's 35 mL alcohol/$. For $24, 750 ml of Everclear. That's 29 mL/$. Can you believe pic related is a guy's ass?
>>37431985
whenever i see a tranny i just look at the hands/forearms
gives it away every time
>>37430858
mostlyhomo?
>>37431985
>pic related is a guy's ass
Saved, I'm going to pretend like you didn't say that and this is just a DFC qt.
I just won't pay attention to the nutsack either.
>>37432003
Or just the body in general. No part of that looks like a girl.
>>37432155
Shut up faggot.
>>37431985
lmfao fuck you mossad i'm more than a little triggered by the end of your post
>>37422686
Clen not even once if you like having a heart.
>>37431985
I have no idea why they make everclear to be honest. I have drank it before out of pure desperation because there was nothing else in the house but that shit is so strong it's like 1 shot per giant glass of coke.
How's the MK working for you?
Also that ass is disgusting male or female, its all flabby and weirdly shaped.
> lose 6% body fat over 12 days on DNP. 7 days later, no weight change, bloat should be gone
> see a skinny fat in the mirror. Only proud of my back and butt
> feel weak and low energy in the gym
> haven't made progress in months, even on Tren
> libido is hyperactive going by my behaviour but at the same time doesn't feel like it's there
Is it the alcohol? The dutasteride and topical cyproterone/ethinylestradiol? Is it because I didn't cruise long enough and the 'catabolic hormones' have built up?
>>37432003
Never said he was a tranny but that's a nice ass regardless. Maybe kleinfelter's.
>>37432066
I'd hit it. no homo. Reminds me of this girl.
Thinking about adding hgh frag to my cut, but I want to take it only once right before bed
>>37430607
Okay, not all women are whores to an extent. But, the last 2 Tinder girls broke up with me because I was 'too affectionate', they were "overwhelmed". And I'm trying not to. I'd say 90% of Tinder girls are looking to be abused, ignored, and treated like shit. That makes them whores in my opinion.
Then there was the girl I spent 4 years with. A total prude and definitely not a whore. At the same time, I know now that deep down, she wanted to be raped in the ass. She kept trying to push me over the edge in hopes I would but I was 'too nice'. I was too young and naive. She's been with a Mormon for 3 years, I suspect they haven't even had sex yet, hopefully he goes insane and I can give her the hatefuck she's overdue for.
I love all my exes, but they're all whores on some level. Men are outwardly cold and filled with feels. Women are outwardly feeling and filled with cold instinct. Their over-developed corpus callosum allows them to hold two contradictory thoughts at the same time; they're not even aware of it.
Women can love. They can love children, birds, and boys. I'm not sure if they can love men... they love what men can do. Muscles are attractive because it implies strength. Money is attractive because it implies superiority. Having a job/car/residence is attractive because it implies responsibility. I've yet to find a woman that doesn't want to be fucked hard by an alpha male whether she admits it or not.
sup senpai
>>37422303
If you have a bad day on a cut, do you undo all the weeks work beforehand? If I am strictly on 2250 calories a day, and one day i go up to 3500, 2000 of which was all in one meal, have i fucked up my progress? Or are the occassional cheat days acceptable?
>>37432820
