/owg/ - Olympic Weightlifting General
A thread for the discussion of the sport of weightlifting and all things related. Keep the insults and shitposting to a minimum.
>If you are new to weightlifting please read these first and check the other sources they link to before asking questions:
http://www.chinfl.blogspot co.uk/2013/07/how-into-weightlifting.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightlifting/wiki/faq
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mjgz5nmcikhhvnu/28iq3URWUW
>helpful blog on some technique quirks:
yashathoughts.com
>The information that you are looking for is probably in the above links.
That includes routines, shoes, information on the lifts, etc. Check out the pastebins for literature or the reddit faq for general information.
Included in this youtube playlist are videos related to weightlifting which you may find useful or insightful:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl3WCm2GfvLxvH877oJ1xEA/playlists
>Commisar's notes on the dank, zesty Meme Method (DZMM)
http://pastebin.com/u0jiY8sM
old thread >>36917143
Hit my dink with the bar whilst power cleaning lads, it was extremely painful
In other news I'm now 40/52.5 for 3x5 another step closer to being a bigger guy than Commie
>>36955729
I really like Okulov's style. Tight and snappy. It makes everything look so light. 70 and 140 look almost the same.
>>36956124
same, he's my favourite lifter
>>36956124
>70 and 140 look almost the same.
he better fucking make it look the same, 140 is under 80% of his max in comp snatch
>tfw no muscley athletic smiley qt3.14 kinda wl gf
;((
this is pretty cute too
>>36956506
>That bitch rolling the plate
baka senpai
>>36956439
It's also 308lbs.
>>36956796
So?
Wew lads, took three weeks off and just now had first session back. I'm shite, completely shite, bar is all over the place, positions are wrong, weight is light
Kill me
>>36956905
Can you throw around 308lbs like you throw around 154?
>>36956905
Can you throw around 220lbs like you do 110? Can you even snatch 220lbs?
>>36945438
i'm not sure if you mean me,but i'm not chinese and until now i never cared about limb length. aren't long femurs just a meme?
>>36946556
thanks i agree. hips and lean were a lot worse before and i guess i can get the last bits of it out too.
>>36946573
>>36946587
will try wider and see how it goes. from a short deep squat test i think i can definitely keep my back tighter with wider stance.
thanks guys
i also wanted to try only frontsquatting for a while to get my strength up and see how that helps my back squat.
>>36957641
I think you should still do some back squats though
asian champs 2016 77kg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTNP6dGoHGA
Notice that Shi Zhiyong(72kg) and Feng ludong(70kg) did compete but no Lin Qingfeng, I wonder what happend to him
I wonder why they let them compete at one weightclass above since the weight difference isnt that big
I really like the explosiveness of these lifts. How does one get into this? Do I need a coach to start owg or am I fine doing my own research?
>>36958577
get a coach senpai
where you guys at
>>36958577
Both work, but with coach you don't get frustrated so easily, and you save so much time. Even once a week with coach is great, so you can practice the things that he points out after the session. Then he can analyze your tech again the next time.
Apart from stretching, what else can I do during off days that will be beneficial?
>>36959379
rehab exercises
>>36959379
https://youtu.be/yMuuKlmdCmw
>>36956072
Why are you doing them 3x5?
>>36958559
That feel when Chinese u can come in 8kg under body weight and win anyway
>>36959891
they werent 8kg underweight though only 6kg and 7kg
>>36959446
and prehab exercises
>>36960353
same thing really depending on your situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi6VJMD83s&index=69
Don;t Bulgarian split squats pretty much mimic this same movement?
>>36961695
sounds like a torture chamber in the background
I need webms, webms of Toshiki Yamamoto, and maybe Yagi Kanae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cfd7EFVrjo
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5fxPVjJyh_gjZOUxUQfK8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhcXNBVOz3s
I snstched 87 with narrow miss at 90 yesterday
Think I can get 100 before new year? How about by september?
>>36962370
What's your FS/BS?
>>36962410
135/160 maxes
I think easily high enough, and working on technique and flexibility is making my lifts more consistent
>>36961777
New Youth WR today
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEwAcDLmR2j/?taken-by=jeison_lopez99
>>36962592
It wouldn't hurt to add 20kg to both of them tho.
Was randomly browsing some WL's Twitter and something was mentioned about GB only sending one dude to Rio.
How does this stuff actually get decided? Can they only afford one plane ticket or something?
Been doing OLY for 5 months now
I seem to have huge issues with actually getting under the bar. Basically my clean is a power clean, my snatches are power snatches.
I don't really think I lack the mobility, I can easily overhead squat ATG.
How the fuck do I make myself get down lower under the bar? Is there some exercise I can do? Is it all psychological?
It's really holding me back from hitting some half decent numbers.
>>36962863
based on international contest placings. each country is awarded a certain amount of lifters
>>36962863
i depends on how the nation places in pre olympic contests how many places they get
>>36962880
you have bitchniggaitis
it's terminal
>>36962880
Had the same issue.
Never found resolution.
Here I am power snatching 105kg for 5 reps yet I cant even full snatch the same weight.
>>36962736
True but I shouldn't need 155/180 to hit 100sn
Then again I am a bit older than most novices and very inflexible so maybe I'll need more raw strength
>>36962880
Lift heavier, if the bar doesn't come up as far you sure as shit get down fast.
I'm only 1.5 months in myself but the above is the case for me, if I know I can power the weight I drop so slow. If I know I'm not getting that bar anywhere above my midriff I drop faster.
>>36962880
>>36962957
http://boxlifemagazine.com/common-snatch-mistakes-how-to-correct-them/
http://boxlifemagazine.com/the-power-position-the-most-important-aspect-of-olympic-weightlifting/
These two blog posts helped me out a lot. Had the exact same problem for months and was able to correct it. Hope it helps you guys.
>>36962957
Some people always catch high
Just get to where you catch quick as you can
Also being flexible enough to ohs isn't always enough, getting to depth with that speed isn't the same as just having the mobility to sit in slowly
Snatch balance and high blocks/hip hang might help
>>36963031
Sounds like a sure way to short pull everything
Why is no one talking about how colombia is going to be the new big weightlifting powerhouse?
>>36963031
>I'm only 1.5 months in
your opinion>in the trash
>>36963393
Just because a guy you'd never heard of got posted on hookgrip doesn't mean they're the next superpower
>>36963473
I mean, lesman paredes and that figuero are the only 2 colombians I was familiar with, but one of their youth just broke the youth wr.
Thats how it starts
my tech is pretty bad but i'm not sure which parts are because of fatigue
Overall i'd say i fixed what i intended on my cleans, just need to stay off my heels on the catch. Jerk is a huge mess now
Powerclean is becoming easier again though, i'm going to go for a pr next time i do it i guess, so i can increase percentages
I did weird western european shit with my feet on powerclean this morning.
>>36963495
Everyone is looking at you like a weirdo, do this shit at home dude.
>>36963438
Just saying what appears to be working for me, trying to help a fellow noob. Feel free to chip in or never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to my thread.
>>36963142
Probably, I'm nowhere near explosive enough to fully extend and drop fast, which should realistically be the priority?
>>36963495
lel twinks mirin'.
Also what the fuck are those guys doing with the balls in the back?
>>36963507
m-mirin
>>36963538
ball slams for the sicc siccs pacc
>>36963495
What u mean weird Eastern euro shit wid feet I can't watch weebm on mob
>>36963529
I've been taught to always finish the pull
I think most coaches would rather you catch where you catch it and pull longer than cut your pull just to catch lower
>>36963654
no i do weird western euro shit where i lift my feet up
>>36963673
Western euro pick feet up? Eastern euro do what then?
Why then do alot of Eastern euro and Russians pick feet up?
But some still slide their feet?
Wtf commie sort this mess out for me
>>36963708
Idk i just dont like it
>>36955933
Lads why is the 94kg Snatch record (188) only a kilo over the 85kg Snatch record (187)?
Is everyone in the 94kg a scrub (except Clarence)? Last time I checked there weren't even videos of the 94kg class in either Almaty 2014 or Houston 2015.
>>36963763
94 is a lazy class
>>36963763
because rybakov was a century ahead of the 85kg class snatch wise
>>36963763
>>36963785
94s has some very entertaining lifters wtf u r the scrubs
>>36963718
Interesting. So who's your ideal technique to watch?
I don't see you going for a chineyman
Maybe one of the bulahrians under abajiev who did that rapid little slidey thing
How do you guys think the Norks are gonna do?
>>36963785
You still curious about rpe? It's really just a good way to record difficulty of a set. Gets a little messy describing singles but generally useful to be able to record something like
>low bar 140x3x3@9
As opposed to "pretty hard"
>>36963913
Didn't some best korea man win the 77kg in Houston since Lu bombed the C&J? I don't know any other (good) lifters from there.
Seems like Chinks are turning choking the C&J into a habit now (unless its all a massive ruse)
>>36963973
No he came second, kaz lifter won
>>36963913
not so well with their best 62 and 77 banned
>>36964051
>77
which one
>>36964051
Speaking of bans, why does Lovchev's record still stand even though he was supposedly 'busted"? 105+ in Rio will be fucking shit without him with barely even 3 lifters out totaling Ilya fucking Ilyin.
>>36964117
>why does Lovchev's record still stand even though he was supposedly 'busted"?
it doesnt?
>>36964076
kim kwang song
>>36964117
none of the bans from houston have been officially given yet, and lovchev is fighting it hard, he went directly to the iwf to appeal the other day
>>36964148
>kim kwang song
really? when did he pop
>>36963870
when i started out i thought yarkin had the best technique, the one with no plantar flexion at all
Actually i'd have to agree with liu and say that ding jianjun is top technique
but there are a few lifters that i can think of who's technique i especially like
>>36963928
Yeah i know what rpe is but i'm curious about why it suddenly got so popular in plg
>>36964155
http://www.iwf.net/2015/12/24/public-disclosure-56/
he was one of the 24 caught at worlds last year
>>36964166
Cos plg is just a big circle jerk where they all do the latest cool gimmicky shit
>>36964158
Curious to hear who? Pls tell me commie-san
Interesting you said yarkin his tech is cray to watch
>>36964166
A lot of us talk rpe and have for a while. Maybe you just haven't noticed? Not sure m79
>>36964201
>using numbers to quantify difficulty is now gimmicky
>>36964237
redpill me on this rpe meme
>>36964247
Did you read my comment first? Because Thai encapsulates the idea. If you want to know more I'm not going to be able to punch that out on my phone
>>36964201
i think that it doesnt matter too much if you extend your ankles
dprk basically all have the same technique and i like theirs. Idk i like a lot of lifters tech.
>>36964166
>>36964201
>>36964205
>>36964237
the rpe scale is something thats not really new or revolutionary since people used auto regulation in the past
i can see it being used by powerlifters who train alone but its something thats not useful for those whose in a team and has a great coach
>>36964275
I have no idea what youre talking about
>>36964237
powerlifting as a whole is a huge gimmick desu
you cant even compete in ipf unless you buy the gears from certain brands
>>36964463
I don't compete in the ipf and don't train in a gym conducive to wl. It's just not in the cards.
Also I don't think that brand approval is evil if the money goes towards drug tests
>>36964442
Read it and reference Google until you do or lose interest
>>36964432
Most of us don't have a coach and again, it's important to be able to concisely and accurately document your training cycles, especially if you may only max once or twice a year
>>36964351
B-but you said you didn't like it when they pick their feet up dprk do that
>>36964553
Yeah it's just not something that's for me
>>36964595
Oh so u don't mind it's style but u don't do it?
Kindve like me. I like a stampy style but I naturally just slide my feet
That's life
>>36962957
Show us a video you lying fat fuck lmao
>>36962880
>I don't really think I lack the mobility, I can easily overhead squat ATG.
You have the flexibility, but not the mobility. Just because you can work yourself into the position doesn't mean you can get into it quickly and easily.
On the other hand, it could just be psychological. Train only the full variations, and treat lifts caught high as misses.
>>36963763
no one is even getting close to rib-a-cow 85 record that's how good he is at snatching
and he's not monstrous strong like some of the 85 cunts are (tian, rostami) he's just very explosive with good technik
who got a bigger erection
tian or this dude
>>36965316
Me in ur mum ofc
>>36965316
i do
>>36965355
Gfto you don't even wl
ey senpai. my gyno looks pretty bad when i wear my singlet, how to prevent
>>36965407
dont fuckin talk to me
started snatching at my gym dont like how people just stare at me
>>36965455
get fatter to hide the breast tissue
>>36965677
my fat distribution is gay, i dont think that would help, i get more fat around my chest and none around the abs directly under the chest then it starts again around the hips
getting fatter just makes it more pronounced, i think i'll wear a thick shirt to blend it in a bit
>tfw commie's fat underaged ass blows your squats out of the water
a-at least i run faster
pls rate sqwat. back was kinda sore from deadlifts so i didnt go as low as i usually do.
>>36965706
Get surgery?
>>36965792
>a-at least i run faster
idk lad i'm a fast lad
>>36965860
you might have the quickness under the bar but aint no way youre faster than me my man.
>>36965889
idk i havent run in a while, not for real at least
>>36965918
i ran a halfy last weekend in 1:33:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi6VJMD83s&index=69
Could Bulgarian split squats be preformed to get the same effect of this exercise?
>>36965930
>no response
BTFO'D
>>36965930
idk what any of that means
>>36965947
half marathon. 13.1 miles.
id rather be able to do your lifts tho desu. fucking hate running
>>36965965
running is gay and gives me shin splints even though my running technique isnt bad
>>36966010
>gets shin splints
>claims technique isnt bad
youre right though running is gay, but gotta keep the ol' blood pumper healthy
Does anyone have the barbell/stick routine image that gets posted around here?
Going to go back to a 3x a week strength program or the squat meme program.
Meanwhile, I'll do a bb/stick program to get my nasty ass technique down in the PM or after.
>>36965316
that isn't muscle. Thats kyphosis
>>36965965
I ran a 6 minute mile in high school :^)
>>36966210
lol no
>>36965965
>Oh you snatch x?
>haha yeah back in my prime I used to be able to bench 315
>Gotta start hitting the gym again
>>36966987
ur a fuckin moron
93 kg class Toshiki
https://www.instagram.com/p/BChBkPeD8Fk/?taken-by=toshikis160j200
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCulGqyj8Ov/?taken-by=toshikis160j200
https://www.instagram.com/p/BA9b2v-j8B5/?taken-by=toshikis160j200
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCumYuZj8Av/?taken-by=toshikis160j200
This dude is dank
>>36967182
the best part about this stuff, is that he did all of this with a stress fracture in his leg
>>36967194
flocking a
>>36967107
you're a fucking faggot
I play piano and want to know if hook grip will affect my hands or playing ability.
I've done powerlifting for a while and just hit ~1100 total with no issues mixed gripping deadlifts. Anybody have experience with hook grip and some hand-technical thing they do?
>>36968342
you will break ur hands and die
>>36968422
Haha, epic post, tripfag!
>>36968433
well memd anon!
>>36968342
Speaking of hook grip. My fingers are too short to hook grip am I just fucked forever?
>>36968483
>My fingers are too short
if literal dwarfs can hookgrip and snatch wrs so can your bitch ass lifting baby weights
>>36968507
I guess I'll manage it then.
Can I learn to snatch without a coach? I already have the clean down and I learned that with coaching, but there are currently no oly gyms in my area.
>>36968507
>le lazy powermeme excuse
God i fucking hate this excuse, mix grip is so fucking ugly and impractical.
>>36968842
The fuck u talmbout
>>36968342
ur a fucking faggit
the worst i got was some bruising around my thumbs
now run along pretty piano boy, back to /plg/ with your torn biceps
>>36968970
lol this
>muh fingers hurt
Meanwhile George Rapemen pulled 900 hook grip.
>>36965965
good job friend
nobody gives a shit about running though
>>36968970
>>36969105
It's not about the pain, I didn't mention that once in my post. I'm simply asking if anyone here has had experience with hook grip affecting technical skills such as playing an instrument.
I guess that was a mistake though since 95% of you don't do anything but lift and dread getting up in the morning for your $12.50/hr wagecuck jobs, and even with that hardly any of you have half-decent numbers or noteworthy meet finishes.
>>36969620
if u werent such a pussy cuck faggot
you would realize it wouldn't affect the area of ur thumbs necessary to play ur faggot chopin tunes
so nice strawman cucklord, i make 150k a year and just got a 12k bonus
smd fag
>>36969620
Kek, what's the thing you say when anon is upset with his life so he tries to unload on everyone else?
Idk whatever, unless you're talking about a 1100kg total then your thumbs will be fine just take the pain you giant pussy
Read up on weightlifting for junior novices and now planning to switch my routine to a GPP focused one, what do you lads think?
Best 3 day template for a beginner focusing on classics and squats?
Squat 130kg right now, still want to increase it about 10kg month
I'm also doing callisthenics in morning sessions.
>>36970535
Snatch
Snatch pull
Back squat
+ core and bb stuff
C&J
Clean pull
Front squat
+ core and BB stuff
Snatch
C&J
Front squat/BS
+core and BB stuff
Use Texas method or something for squats. Do volume on the first two sessions, and then cut volume and raise intensity on the last session. Its basically the most simple template there is.
>>36970469
>please respond
>>36970573
Thanks man, do I need push press anywhere?
>>36970573
>>36970683
Not that anon but consider snatch and clean deadlift if you're a proper novice, rather than pulls. Make sure floor to knee is right. Alot of noobs get this portion wrong and they'll end up missing lifts before they even really begin. Or if you do do pills, do them like pent and don't get up on toes until you really know what youre doing
>>36970708
>but consider snatch and clean deadlift if you're a proper novice
No, don't do deadlifts at all. They just slow down your learning progression, since its a different kind of a pull from the floor.
Pulls are important for a novice, since you can stop at the crucial parts of the lift (below knees, power position..) and it gives you strength for those positions
>do them like pent and don't get up on toes until you really know what youre doing
Or how about just learning the right technique from the start, and really focusing on the positions while doing pulls?
>>36970683
You don't really need it if you're beginning, but i would do it anyway. You can do it with BB stuff on your first and last sessions, first volume and then go for a PR on second session.
>>36970770
Ok thanks,
I'm not sure if this is relevant but I'll say it anyway. My squat 1rm is 130kg, push press 1rm is 75kg. 75kg 5'9.
I've been learning tech with 25kg for about 2 months and now it's finally good enough and fast to start adding weight which is why I asked for a template.
Should I be stopping during pulls?
>>36970770
A snatch and clean deadlift from the floor is the exact same as the pull of the classic except you don't extend at the hips you retard
>>36970798
No they're not you dumbass. You even set up in a different way. Watch how powerlifters do snatch deadlifts for example.
>>36970793
Yes, stop when you get to the knees, and stop at power position. Compare your positions and transition to the technique from books/vids of great athletes. When it starts to become your second nature, add speed.
>>36970770
Snatch deadlift (not just a snatch grip deadlift) and what pent does are progressions just like you mentioned
You should learn the first pull first, then above the knee, then you can go balls out the bath and get up onto toes
Having noobs do full pull from start they just focus on being on toes, that's wrong
>>36970824
That's a snatch grip deadlift. Not a snatch deadlift. What thread are you in? Are you retarded? Obviously an Olympic lifter would use it to strengthen positions to mimic a full snatch
Fucking idiot
>>36970826
>>36970839
So why you want to increase beginners strength, when it is more important for them to focus on technique? You don't need a beginner with 200kg snatch deadlift, if he can't even snatch
Atleast post some articles or something about snatch deadlifts being a better choice for a beginner, than learning how to pull. Do that long enough, and it gets harder and harder to learn it the right way.
>>36970867
what are you talking about
snatch deadlifts are used to strengthen the correct positions for the first pull of the snatch
snatch grip deadlifts are just deadlifts with a snatch grip, olympic lifters dont do those
not same person btw
>>36970959
Its complicated by the fact a lot of people hate using X deadlift as a descriptor (precisely because it confuses the shit out of everyone) and would rather call them pulls.
But it could also be that this guy is just a retard. Evidence inconclusive at this point.
>>36970867
>>36970974
Your assuming because of the word deadlift it's just to increase strength, no.
Let's rephrase it as a snatch pull without getting on toes
It's for technique, the first pull is the most important thing for a beginner to learn.
We're arguing the same point here, I'm just saying that with classic pulls the novice often only is concerned with getting up on toes... They should start worrying about the pull to and past the knee first. Hence why a snatch deadlift (NOT a snatch grip deadlift) is useful
There really doesn't need to be any accompanying data, it's common sense a a very common learning progression (pent is evidence of this)
>>36971046
I have to say that i thought you meant snatch grip deadlift with snatch deadlift. Sorry m8
But if you're a complete beginner (unlike the person who asked for the template), then there's a place for snatch deadlift in a beginners program. But if he already knows how to scopp and get into a power position, why not just do pulls?
>>36971078
I think if his first pull is good and he is strong positionally then yes a snatch pull is ideal
I think the name is maybe regional tbf, whenever coaches here talk about snatch or clean dead it always means a pull mimicing the classic, so no bother just crossed wires
Are power cleans really not supposed to have any pulling in them, at all?
Watching ATG's training room video it does seem like people row it up slightly at the catching part of the movement
I get why full cleans don't, but power cleaning heavier weights seems very difficult without pulling
>>36971480
Your arms can/probably should be used on both power cleans and full cleans after extension
The no-no regarding arms that people talk about is when people pull/row it into their hip
>>36971480
It's all about the drive generated by your lowerbody extension. Your arms are merely hooks. If you try to use your arms to pull, you'll actually lose power (think about pulling a a car with a tight rope vs an elastic rope) and likely make the bar path worse.
>>36968552
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYKQZg-b1FYhl4P8OnCd_C2v2tjOC55X
>>36965455
Go to a doc and fix the gyno?
>>36971670
Never liked the arms are hooks/ropes/chains cue
I found it alot easy just to think loose arms, until pull under. I know it does the same thing just don't see why we need the hook/rope/chain metaphor
>>36971670
>Go to a doc and fix the gyno?
>>36965818
surgery is expensive and not covered by insurance
>>36971670
>all about the drive generated by your lowerbody extension.
is all good till the bar starts crashing on you, because you have no pull under
rippetards get out
>>36972656
Cool story but that has nothing to do with what I said.
>>36972697
how exactly does it have nothing to do with what you said?
you said you don't use your arms to pull, you think the bar just rises after it passes your hips? that's completely wrong. even in power cleans
every good wl country has a drill to teach you how to pull with the arms after the bar passes the hips
ur wrong again because u dont know what u talmbout
>>36972792
First off, see pic related. And this is a power clean, which means the bar has to go up higher. You'll see there's no rowing of the bar involved. It goes up from the drive generated by the extension of your hips, knees, and ankles.
Secondly, we're talking about the competition lifts, not drills. And unless you're talking about muscle clean/snatch, you'll see you're not taught to use your arms for the drills, but to merely let them go up to a certain height.
>>36972877
>you'll see you're not taught to use your arms for the drills
https://www.instagram.com/p/sXfbfSramP/
even deliuge has the same drill
power clean is not comp lift you're just trying to worm your way out of this lmao
barely any leg drive
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEbR5Zfpt6I/
>>36972923
I specifically said "except muscle clean/snatch", so what are you even trying to argue here?
Yes, people use arms for muscle clean/snatch.
No, people don't use arms for clean and snatch.
>>36971670
>Your arms are merely hooks
yeah this cue has never worked for me
my arms just start pulling at some point anyway
I can't seem to consciously stop them
If I've stalled on my cleans, will deadlifts help?
feel like the weight is already too heavy on the very first pull
>>36973076
Getting stronger will help, yes.
>>36973013
>people use arms for muscle clean/snatch.
are you a fucking idiot? why do you think they made this fucking drill specifically teaching you something, then not using that same movement for the complete movement which this drill is meant to help?
what's the fucking point of teaching this drill then?
someone pls knock this kid out for me, i'm done
>>36973076
Takes courage to get under the bar anon. Gotta have courage
>>36973095
I don't have enough time to teach you what the value of a muscle clean/snatch is right now, but it's not to teach you to use your arms when you clean/snatch.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEyjH_rj8CC
new toshiki lads
187 c&j in asian champs
notice how easy he cleans it, jerks are really fucking him up. I also wonder why he totaled so low he used to c&j 197 in some japanese comp. Maybe IWF testing does that
>>36973124
>but it's not to teach you to use your arms when you clean/snatch.
hahah ok my man lmaoo
>I don't have enough time to teach you what the value of a muscle clean/snatch is right now
read. i havent googled it enough to know what i talmbout, give me half a day :DD
>>36973097
gotta also have the strength not to be completely drained after the first pull
no strength = no courage
>>36973147
>it's another dyel argues with trappy and gets btfo to the ground episode
>>36973208
pulling your trip off dont help retard
>>36973208
>it's a /tv/ visits /fit/ episode
>>>/tv/
That dyel that pops up from time to time saying talmbout is back again :/
>>36973472
:\
r u perchance one of trappy's mentally ill gayboy followers
rate this power clean lads
https://youtu.be/52LwlIpI3VY?t=5
courtesy of /plg/ lmao
>>36973208
He didn't get btfo tho, he's right
A clean and a snatch isnt a drive and a flop under
What is 3rd pull? Just cos you don't row the bar up doesn't mean you don't use arms
This is basic basic shit
>>36973013
trappy stop pls
>tfw when you set a new pb c&j at 102.5kg with a powerclean
>then go onto set a new full clean ob of 120kg
I seriously need to sort my jerk. Tech is good at lower weights, how do I train the mental aspect of doing the same thing? I short split/press out when the weight gets 'heavy'
>>36973208
trappy is wrong here
trappy really needs to stop acting so certain about everything
>>36973811
Fucking damn right
'Klokov didn't say it, so it must be wrong'
Lads i snatched 194# for a 20# pr
>>36973989
Well done lad but use kg
I hit 87.5 yesterday too
But you probably weigh less than me
So well done :^)
>>36973208
>it's another trappy whiteknight jumping on her limp cock again even though they don't know what they're talking about
That's u
>>36974005
idk man im pretty fat
>>36974030
What ur bw
>>36973124
Trappy I have this fantasy of going to your country on vacation, going to the gym doing my weak shitty form squats and having you come up to and correcting my form, holding me lightly from behind and smiling at me as I better my high bar form. Then when I'm done I'm walking to the boys changing room for showering, and as I'm about to go into the showers I see you coming in and starting to undress. I get a bit confused but go ahead with my shower. Then I feel a tap on my shoulder and you're standing there butt naked with your feminine dicklet out, smiling and asking me if I've got some soap. I'll blush but proceed to give it to you and you look at me, biting your lip slightly, asking if I could help you to soap up because your arms are stiff. Your eyes start scanning my body and as you see my dick getting harder from my uncontrollable horniness caused by days of nofap, you push me back into the shower booth and pin me against the wall, kissing me sloppily while starting to wank my now rock hard cock. I moan slightly and my initial shock turns into pleasure as you get down on your knees and try to fit my big dick in your mouth, your puffy womanly lips tight around my shaft.
Also ye trappy after extension use of arms is fair game
>>36974676
how lewd
>>36972923
We've tried to tell trappy this but she doesnt believe it
>>36973767
You're talking about a completely different thing here. I've been talking about the second pull and rowing exclusively since the start.
When the third pull was mentioned >>36972656 I clearly started >>36972697 that this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
Alas, you people will create a strawman regardless of what I say and argue against imaginary points you want that strawman to be making simply because "it's trappy, it must be wrong somewhere!"
>>36974676
Man, you're so thirsty it's starting to get embarrassing.
>>36975367
It's pasta m8
>>36973498
No, he's a fag and his followers are equally Gay.
>>36975313
Maybe it's the language barrier but you didn't make it clear at all you were talking about the third pull
You said there were no arms in a power clean yet a power clean still has a third pull
You resort to this 'oh its a strawman' shit every time but its your fault you're not clear.
You're meant to be a 'coach' for fucks sake
Whatever, you've proved over time you love to move the goalposts so say what you want in reply I'm out. You're not a good lifter and you don't have anything other than klokov utubes to offer.
>>36974676
>big dick
>chubby lowtest azn
Good b8 lad ;^)
>>36975313
you just said here >>36973013 there's no arms in clean/snatches
now suddenly there's a thirdpull that you googled???????
>>36973536
A 100kg muscle clean is p good, mang, I don't know what you're on about.
>>36975628
She does this all the time, backtracks then turns the argument to 'waaaah strawman' it happens every time. Trappy just can't admit she's wrong and learn. It's common in coaches at the bottom level, and it's consistent that these sort of people never progress in the sport because they can't admit they're not the finished article
>>36975489
What do you want? Me to write a book on every reply I make on 4chan?
Someone mentioned the "third pull" and I said "this is not what I'm talking about", and I've been talking exclusively about the extension and rowing from the start. I don't know how to be any clearer than that.
>>36975628
I was in a hurry because I was working in a lab, sorry I didn't write all the * needed in order not to trigger autismo.
>>36975721
Start talking about X, people complain about Y, say you're not talking about Y but X, conversation moves on, people now complain about Y again and argue that you're moving goal posts.
Classic.
>>36975777
You never once said you were talking about the first and second pulls
You said 'no arms in clean and snatch'
Clean and snatch is not just the first and second pulls now is it?
You're an expert at backtracking, put that much effort into getting it right the first time m8
>>36975802
Instead of continuing the shitposting, please read >>36975313
>>36975819
Clears nothing up, you should've said first and second pull from the start, not 'snatches and cleans'
Instead of being an asshole just admit it's your lack of clarity that lead people to talk about third pull
>>36975862
But this has already been said.
>>36963495
Beware of lordosis
What other lifters look 'vicious' in their technique?
I'm not talking explosive like an ehab or a stamp like apti
Like that really violent fast slide of the feet and strong lockout... Like taner sagir
I seen some old footage of bulgs doing it too
>>36975926
I done
>>36975922
ye i have it pretty bad
bet it's why my jerk was rip
i skipped abs all last week and this week
starting again this week
>>36975926
do i do it
>>36975926
Nijat Rahimov? Not completely sure if it's what you're looking for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4N-XGQXwec
>>36975926
yarkin?
>>36973124
Hey trappy
im following your program but im not good at power clean can you give me some tips etc
my height is 6'6
>>36975511
It got me my (You) so it's all that matters :^)
>>36975960
>>36975980
I'd say they're both abit stampy. Altho certainly viscous
This is what's in my head;
https://youtu.be/kl9_lCPpsYQ
Actually klokov does this too, to an extent. Taner sagir just looks so... I dunno, violent with it, without stamping his feet ykniw?
It's captivating
Would this framework be suitable for an outdoor platform? It's going to be 8x8, and I'm going to use use double-stacked plywood for the base, with rubber mats and another piece of plywood for the lifting surface.
I'm going to add extra cross braces to study it up, but I'm worried the constant dropping of heavy weight might fuck up the framework.
>>36975951
I think maybe u do commie... YouTube link to snatch or clean from front?
>>36976035
I get what you mean
Can't think of anyone else who isn't a 90s era bulgarian
I think Vanev is one of the best examples.
It might just be speed to be honest. Taner Sagir has unreal speed on that 172.5kg snatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbGot9r-nF0
>>36976028
This looks like bait to make her waste her time
Beware!
>>36976028
fitsticky.com/how-to
>>36976045
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEP3AqaRcdg/?taken-by=commisar9
looks pretty stompy
>>36976061
Vanev doss it on cleans, more stampy with snatch
I think boevski does it too
Are there any contemporary lifters aside from.klokov? I wonder why it's a more 90s thing? I can't imagine it being less effective... Maybe it just happens that noone has this style at the top cutrently?
Some Chinese have a slide, but their tempo and rhythm seems alot different
>>36976061
galabin boevsky too
>>36976093
Quite stompy
Thought you said you didn't like the 'Western euro stomp'?
>>36976095
>>36976101
yeah boevski is a good example
also commisar whats your bodyweight
we have almost the exact same lifts
>>36976062
Im serious.
>>36976108
I dont like it and my lifts are better when i dont do it
>>36976120
85.1 as of a bit ago
>>36976142
aw fuck sake ur way lighter
>>36976120
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEADD1Nxcfn/?taken-by=commisar9
is this it or is it still stompy
230kg squat in a few lads, wish me luck
>>36976038
The only guy I know who made his own platform did it with solid wood, literally 4x2 laminated with ply on top
He said he did it for exactly the reason why you are worried about yours, because if you've only got a couple of 4'' nails in the end of each joist then that's the point of failure.
There's got to be timber connectors in your country like joist hangers, you are bound to have a better time if you reinforce with them
>>36976156
Sortve it
I think of it as moving feet but without much noise
I used to want to try to be loud cos my fave lifters are but I've realised I loft much better when I pull well.and allow.myself to catch where I catch and this normally makes.me quote light footed
I've started making up for.it by yelling ;^)
>>36976187
I think I'm going to use 4x4's, with some heavy duty framing screws, in addition to timber connectors like you're talking about.
So because of a surgery. I have about 5 degrees of flexion i cant hit when I'm trying to clean. I tried spreading my hands but it just turns into a power clean instead of a full clean because its so weird to try and hit a front squat with my hands that wide apart. Any advice on this?
>>36976338
4x4 is inferior to something like 8x2 here, your main structural concern is supporting vertical forces. I'd shy away from screws unless they are literally huge because they are liable to just shear themselves off. You'll probably be best served with something like a Z or L beam support.
That's if you want it to be permanent, if you can accept it dying then maybe the cost of construction becomes too much and it's better to just nail it up
>>36976399
Can you regain flexibility over time?
Ifnot, maybe you'll have to go the route of some masters lifters and just become a beast in the power clean
>>36976489
Appreciate the input.
>>36976489
Fuck it, I'm just going to make a 6x8 platform out of plywood and stall mats, screw some handles to it, coat the entire fucking thing with bedliner and lean it against the fence when I'm not using it
>>36977166
This would be better than a timber frame desu, as long as you have something sturdy to sit it on
405lbs
>>36977166
If t has several layers like a proper platform it will be very heavy to move as one piece
>>36977698
I did the math, it'll be about 300lb, but if I put some straps on it I can drag it around and lifting it up won't be that difficult.
>>36977208
I'm going to dig an 8x8 hole and fill it with pebbles, then tamp it down until it's level and firm.
>>36977698
>>36977738
or better yet, screw an eye bolt into the motherfucker and jimmy rig a cable wench from an old boat trailer that I have lying around to my fence post.
>>36977605
>mfw literally 3 times my front squat
I know im basically dyel but jesus
>>36977789
u can get there keep practicing
197kg cleanpulls https://www.instagram.com/p/BEzqtheG1oV/
>>36977605
Can you list the programs u have followed
