>be me
>80kg / 176lbs
>just beginning to cut so start counting macros
>turns out I eat ~180g of protein everyday without any supplements
>just meat, eggs, fish and yoghurts, distributed throughout the day with a buttload of veggies
>also get good micros that are absent in protein powders
How did you feel when you first realised that protein powders are a meme?
meat and fish aren't that cheap, and it's more difficult to prepare. I don't think anyone is saying protein powder is preferable to a normal diet, it's just more convenient and sometimes cheaper depending on the protein source you're replacing.
>>36858789
>duh
>>36858789
turns out, if you are not retarded with what you eat it is possible to avoid protein powder.
Speak for yourself, OP. I make my own gainer shake every day, so protein powder is a staple in my diet.
>>36858806
Yeah its all true, my point is that a guy with an overall healthy diet, who also doesnt restrict calories, should be able to get close to 1g/lb just from food, and an excess of protein is also dangerous.
Taking protein powder without tracking your macros may easily get you way over the healthy levels.
>>36858858
Samefag
Especially if you consider that on a package it usually says to take 2, sometimes even three "portions" a day, which roughly translstes to 60-90g of pure protein. It is pretty much bound to bring any guy with an overall protein rich diet over this popular threshold of 1g/lb.
>>36858789
its not a meme if ur poor
fish is 30-40 euro per kg here and chicken is expensive too
the cheapest protein source here is protein powder and mozzarella
>>36858858
You can have a healthy diet and use a protein supplement. There's nothing wrong with whey protein and you if you use protein powder you can easily track so you don't overshoot on protein grams
>>36858846
this
shit is by far the cheapest source
get to fuck with this protein is a meme meme
>>36858789
>>36859421
Not in America
Chicken breast is king
>>36858789
Sounds like you have an unhealthy diet. Maybe if you used some protein powder you could afford to eat more than just meat and yogurt.
>>36859421
>>36859411
>>36858846
Whey Protein literally isn't food.
It's pretty much fake protein.
Get some real food ffs.
>Eating mass produced meat instead of plant proteins
>>36859477
>macromolecule composed of a series of amino acid residues
>fake protein
>>36859437
>$2/lb for boneless skinless chicken breast
Shit I might just give up my Canadian citizenship and move to America if it doesn't go down the drain after elections
Best I can usually find is 3.99/lb for fresh, frozen breasts have a shit consistency and I feel like they are filled with water
>>36858789
Yes, at 180g a day, it's easy to hit. Especially if you've got time and money to do so. Hell, even a diet of mostly egg whites is better than protein powders. But when you're a busy motherfucker, having a ready source of protein in a shaker bottle that you can just add water to on your way out of the gym is really fucking handy.
Should we get our protein from whole foods? yeah, in a perfect world.
Ingesting too much protein is not terribly harmful, unless you WAY WAY overdose, and don't drink enough water with it. I do get really dry shits from it from time to time, though.
Hitting protein goals without supplements is possible for most people, but not always the most practical or most economical option, as others have pointed out.
Another consideration can be that you get a different profile from protein powder than from the food you normally eat. E.g. the added BCAA present in some protein supplements may be beneficial, even if you're already getting enough protein from natural sources.
>>36859510
is she getting porked in the bum
>>36858806
>>36859421
would you guys eat Soya mince? Personally the idea of eating soya is offputting to me so I don't but in the UK it's crazy cheap. Holland and Barrett sell 750g for £3.
>>36859672
forgot picture
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/neal-s-yard-wholefoods-natural-soya-protein-mince-60082699
>>36858858
>>36858943
you need like 4g/lb of protein for it to be actually harmful.
also, whey will keep your plasma AA levels high longer than meat.
>>36859687
I'm not a soy hater by any means, but there is enough evidence that the cholesterol in red meat or egg yolks assists testosterone production. So I'm going to stick with those.
>>36859708
2,5g/lb*, was thinking in kilos.
>>36859437
>breast
>not thigh
>>36859477
>fake protein
You are one retarded fucker. People with a lot more knowledge than you produce and use protein powders, dickhead
>>36859437
i dont know about murrica prices but that protein is expensive as fuck. i get 1800 grams of protein for 20 euros (1600g for 20$) from myprotein whey
>>36859437
Lentils, 2355g protein per $20
>>36859797
way too much carbs
>>36859830
Protein and carbs in one. The best case scenario.
>>36859853
no, I'd rather eat something tasty for carbs, like oatmeal
>>36859853
too much fiber
>>36859853
It's a 20:9 carbs:protein ratio
So unless I supplement that with egg whites, protein powder or chicken breast, that's not going to come close to satisfying my macros
>>36859853
>The best case scenario.
Not when you're cutting, absolutely not.
>>36859741
Worse macros
>>36859878
You don't get enough fiber
>>36859883
Half the carbs are fiber even
>>36859907
Didn't see that, that's pretty good indeed.
I'm trying to go for a ~40/40/20 protein/fat/carbs split though, and even then lentils are a bit too high in carbs for my taste. They could be a side-dish along with chicken breast or egg though. Probs gonna try it out sometimes.
>>36859934
Yeah, I don't get all of my protein from lentils but they're a great addition to a diet and arguably the healthiest source of protein
>>36859907
what? i get 40g of fiber a day. if i were to take my 200g of protein a day from lentils id get 100 grams of fiber which is way too much. if you take into account lentils' shitty aminoacid profile then id have to eat even more of that shit
but yeah, in small doses lentils are great.
>>36859934
I add ground beef or turkey to my lentils. It makes them taste better, and brings the macros in-line with my goals.
>>36859934
>40% fat
>>36859978
There's practically no such thing as too much fiber from food, and 40g isn't amazing
>be me
>2 arms 2 legs
>just beginning to be a human so I need to get to different places during the day
>turns out I need to go to school and a local store
>just walk to the store and ride bicycle to school
>also get some cardio that you don't get from driving a car
How did you feel when you first realised that cars are a meme?
>>36860006
I have not really been able to find any definitive advice on what the carbs/fat split should be, so I just arbitrarily decided on that. Feel free to make an argument for something else, I'm certainly willing to listen.
Most people just seem to say "get your protein, then the rest is kinda whatever."
>>36860013
>There's practically no such thing as too much fiber from food
yes there is. its not that hard to get ur ass in surgery from too much fiber
>and 40g isn't amazing
its enough per every recommendation ever
>>36860043
I would say go up in carbs so you can include some healthier foods in your diet, like fruits and oats
>>36860073
>yes there is. its not that hard to get ur ass in surgery from too much fiber
You're talking about fiber supplements, not food. Is that what you get your fiber from?
>its enough
It's barely above the minimum recommended amount
>>36859437
Tbh chicken all the time gets boring fairly quickly.
>>36860090
>You're talking about fiber supplements, not food. Is that what you get your fiber from?
the fuck are you talking about?
>It's barely above the minimum recommended amount
implying there is a "suitable" or "maximum" recommended amount. 10g of fiber per 1k kcal is another common guideline. im perfectly fine, dude. no point getting any more.
>>36860078
sounds reasonable, I guess I'll consider switching around the two. I like nuts and beans tho, so there'll be less of that... oh well.
>>36860006
You're stuck in the 90's m80.
Fat is not evil. Aim for healthier fats.
>>36860043
http://www.barbellmedicine.com/potpourri/584/
>>36860078
fruits or oats are hardly "healthy". fruits are shit carbs, oats are decent carbs and thats it.
>>36860150
nice, thanks
that'll take me a while to digest
>>36860170
I see what you did there.
>>36860119
>the fuck are you talking about?
Clogged colons happen when you megadose on fiber supplements like metamucil with no water. That's not something that happens when you eat food that has fiber.
You could definitely benefit from more fiber, especially if you're getting yours from supplements now.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=High+dietary+fiber+intake+prevents+stroke+at+a+population+level.&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C19&as_sdtp=
>In Cox analysis adjusted for age, gender, smoking, diabetes, arterial hypertension, hyperuricaemia, obesity, left ventricular hypertrophy, dyslipidaemia, chronic pulmonary disease, hyperuricaemia, dietary intake of lipids, carbohydrates, proteins, caffeine and ethanol intake, and for the vegetable/met ratio, the HR of developing stroke during the 12 years of follow-up was 0.31 (CI 0.17e0.55, p < 0.0001) in subjects intaking >25 rather than 25 g/day soluble fiber, and 0.35 (CI 0.19e0.63, p < 0.001) in those intaking >47 rather than 47 g/day insoluble fiber.
47g+ insoluble fiber breh, get on it
>>36860150
>fruits or oats are hardly "healthy". fruits are shit carbs, oats are decent carbs and thats it.
You're an idiot.
>>36860095
and shakes doesnt?
>>36859978
>which is way too much
https://youtu.be/gOZcbNw7sng?t=18m25s
>>36860207
how exactly is fiber from supplements any different than fiber from "real food"?
but no, im not taking any supplements for fiber.
>47g+ insoluble fiber breh, get on it
alright, seems reasonable.
>>36860216
please refrain from posting if you have nothing to contribute.
>>36860259
tanzanians are cool and all but take the average american or something and give him 150 grams of fiber and he will probably get a blockage. i personally know people who have had the surgery, although i dont know the exact amounts of fiber they ate.
But I like the taste of a protein shake...
>>36858789
Why do you hate protein powder?1
Show us on the doll where the protein powder touched you!
>>36860344
>how exactly is fiber from supplements any different than fiber from "real food"?
It's just powdered cellulose that can get clumpy if you don't add enough water. It's not like fiber in food that gets digested with everything else.
>>36860344
>please refrain from posting if you have nothing to contribute.
That's really all there is to say when someone says something stupid like "fruits and oats aren't healthy."
>>36860422
please tell me how fruits and oats ARE healthy
>I eat at least 180g per day without a thought about it
Why do people on fit lie so much. Not only that, why are you getting so much protein. Bw in kg x 1.5 is max you need.
>>36860464
>Bw in kg x 1.5 is max you need.
dyel?
>>36860444
They contain vital nutrients, fiber, polyphenols, and other antioxidants that reduce your risk of diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, alzheimers, and diabetes. Why would they possibly not be healthy?
>>36860030
>kek
>havent you realized cars are just a fake mode of transportation?
>>36860470
More than you most likely
>tfw eat 900g of skyr a day which is 94kg Protein . 15~kg per 150g
>>36860471
meat and veggies has all of that
>>36860487
doubt it. anyway, there's a reason every good lifter recommends about 2,5g/kg of protons
>>36860505
how bad do your farts smell?
>>36860505
>2.5x
Enjoy your colon cancer
![DietIHMEimage3[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/y6A3diw.png "DietIHMEimage3[1].png")
>>36860505
Meat doesn't, veggies do, but you need more than just vegetables in your diet. Diets low in fruit are responsible for more deaths/diseases globally than any other nutritional aspect, including low vegetable intake.
>>36858789
Except when you cut you need more than 1 g per lb.. and i dont know about you but there comes a point in my day when i dont want to eat even more chicken than ive already ate to reach 246 g of protein..... sometimes we dont have time to sit down and eat when we could just drink it in seconds.
>>36860526
not that guy, but that's per kg, not per lb. At 80kg (176lb) that'll be 200g/day. That's a lot, but not unreasonable. It's 1.1g/lb.
>>36860523
theyre fine
>>36860526
enjoy your no-gains.
seriously, 1,5g/kg of protein is ok provided all of that is from optimal sources. that doesnt happen unless you eat nothing but meat/whey, otherwise there's no way you're getting 3-4 grams of leucine each meal and youre thus missing out on MPS.
>>36860540
can you link the study?
>>36860234
Who just uses shakes to get their protons though?
>>36860586
would you mind taking a picture of your poo for me?
>>36859477
>>36860586
It's from the WHO's global burden of disease study. It took up a whole issue of The Lancet, one of the biggest medical journals in the world
http://www.thelancet.com/global-burden-of-disease
http://www.humanosphere.org/global-health/2013/07/the-global-burden-of-a-poor-diet/#prettyPhoto
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/burden-of-disease-study-shows-a-world-living-longer-and-with-more-disability/2012/12/13/9d1e5278-4320-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html
http://www.uicc.org/lancet-publishes-global-burden-disease-2010-study
Gotta get those fruits in, especially berries and other dark fruits like plums and cherries
>>36859791
Is Myprotein good? Is their USA service alright? Do they ship to the states fast?
I wanna go with Optimum Nutrition's whey but MP's is basically half the cost (per 30g protein, ON is 59c, MP is 33c) might just pick up one of both to compare...
>>36860735
Whoa nevermind, I double-checked and I calculated the ON price thinking the calories (120) were the servings in a bag (74). The real price breaks down to 96c per 30g protein.
Fuck that I'm ordering as much myprotein as I can. Some quick googling reveals they're a good company
>>36860786
switching from ON to myprotein was the best decision i ever made, i used to try to ration my protein bc cost. Now i'll take ~9 scoops per day just whenever i feel like it, shits ridiculously cheap
>>36859477
>>36862545
Yeah that's what I do now.......just bought 5.5lbs of vanilla whey blend for $25 + shipping. Holy shit ridiculous. Makes it basically the same price as chicken breasts.
>>36860786
I usually get mine in a week or so. They have redic specials too, just got 2kg for 25
>protein powder is a meme
No it's not? I can get 24g of protein down in 2 seconds without any cooking or cleaning or prep involved.
How is that a meme? Not everyone is a NEET that can be at home cooking and cleaning up multiple meals a day.
