you have 30 seconds to explain why your bf isn't 12% or less.
> more aesthetic, especially to normies
> healthier
> sexier
> can look good even with clothes that aren't fucking tanktops or basketball shorts
(pic sorta related, googled it)
>>36618679
because i'm not gay so i don't have a boyfriend at all.
>>36618679
What would you estimate his Bf to be?
>>36618679
>healthier
Lol no
I have 17% bodyfat and look good in tight t-shirts
You either have no muscle, or poor genetics OP
I feel that being "big" is way more masculine and cooler so i settle for a slightly higher percent body fat with muscle.
I'm fuarkin trying, m8.
>>36618774
Tiny as fuck
i just ate like 5 of these
>>36618774
looking good bro no homo
>>36618758
> I have 17% bodyfat and look good in tight t-shirts
delusional fatty detected
I like beer too much.
>>36618804
Nah lad I just have good bone structure/musculature.
A low test skinnyfat like you would probably look shit above 14%
I like my Bf to be husbando mode, no homo
>>36618795
Fuark I can't argue with that.
>Nobody has posted an ab routine yet.
My bulk ends in a week. After that I'll need to drop 4 KGs to look ok and 6 or 7 for abs and I'll have time until July.
Should be easily doable on a 1k deficit.
>>36618874
1k is too much for preserving your muscles if your'e natty
>>36618679
i don't go for that bitchboy look
>>36618825
Being able to fill out a shirt at 17% bodyfat after lifting for a bit is nothing to be proud of, m8.
Looking decent while lean is another story.
>>36618825
Not that guy but can u post a pic?
>>36618892
Fatty
>>36618885
Apparently not as long as you're eating a fuckload of protons.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/how-to-lose-weight-and-gain-muscle-fast-new-mcmaster-study-1.3423359
because all that matters to me right now is getting good enough grades and I can't study efficiently if I'm hungry at any time of the day
>>36618774
narrow shoulders suicide mode
>>36618679
...Because I'm fat? I'm down into the normal BMI range, but I'm probably at 20-25 percent BF. Maybe more, who knows. Most of my fat collects in my belly, so it'll be hard to get abs.
>>36618679
>you have 30 seconds to explain why your bf isn't 12% or less.
You have 5 seconds to explain why the fuck it's even any of your business and why you would even care.
>>36618905
>>36618948
Kek thought this was real but then realized i seen this before
>>36618910
pussy
>>36618679
low bodyfat and abs are overrated and hard to maintain. i prefer eating anything i want, lifting heavy, looking bigger in clothes and somewhat decent without them.
>:^)
>>36618910
twink
>>36618975
What do you do for that core bro because looks solid like a fuck tree trunk. Also stats in 4 lifts and weight/height
>>36618679
because im bulking
>>36618975
GOAL BODY
>me currently
>>36618853
solid meme'd bro
also, i do not have it because i am looking for a wife, not a shallow whore.
>>36618922
Not really, I think it's just the angle. Here's an older pic.
>>36618975
breh..
>>36618964
It is real. Seeing something twice doesn't make that thing fake, you know?
>>36619002
the pics are like 6 months old, but not much changed, but im gonna write the lifts from back then
5'7", around 195lbs
485x1, 440x3, 395x5 sq
220x3 ohp
310x5 bench
400-420x1 dl without straps, 485x3, 530x1 dl with straps
>inb4 >straps
>>36618679
I'd rather eat more, no one will see me shirtless and I fill out bigger shirts and I'm much stronger and I basically really like food
I personally prefer the higher BF look anyways
>>36619071
>>36619002
also, lifting since 2012 feb, so i just made 4 years, 3.5 in the pics
i dont bother with abs too much, i used to lift 3-5 days /week depending on whatever time and routine i was following, and at the end i was doing like 1-2 ex, 4-8 sets total, doing abs on decline bench, and leg raises
>>36619071
As a 5'7 manlet goal body bro.
How long did it take you for these stats especially bench and ohp?
Also natty right?
>>36619071
>noobs will think this is what they will be like in 3-5 years natty
>>36619121
The stats are pretty good but nothing that is extreme or 1% genetics of the population.
>>36619121
but i am natty, all i take is creatine and caffeine
>creatine
>natty
>pick 1 XDDDDDDD
>>36619115
first year i was doing brosplit, barely after 1 year i was struggling benching 225x1, then i changed to 5x5, started eating more, lifts went up really fast, increasing everyday. i only started doing squats after 1.5 years, smith squats, 3-6 months later i started freebar squats, in 6 months i went from 0 to 360x5 really fast, anyway, gonna answer more in 30 mins
Been bulking so I'm probably around 16%, think i might keep bulking through summer this year
>>36618913
If I remember correctly, that study used untrained men. When you have very little muscle mass to start with, retaining it will be much easier than if you've been training for a while and are carrying more lean mass.
>>36619171
I'm a noob dyel at 5'7" with absolutely pitiful stats, esp sqauts so this is pretty encouraging. Solid stuff bro
>>36619159
you'll think otherwise after you start going to the gym
>>36618913
>Let me tell you that I literally don't even fucking lift: The Post
>>36619206
But I do lad i'm already close to his DL and Squat even though been lifting for half the time nowhere near his bench or OHP though. hell they're guys that do that weight for squat and more at my gym at 74 bw.
Maybe you should stop going to planet fitness.
>>36618975
Routine? How many cals do you eat a day?
>>36619245
There are*
>>36619029
My Routine:
M-arms
T-arms
W-abs
T-chest
S-arms
S-arms
>>36619245
based on the stats you have just reported you're a t-rex. you have no place giving anyone advice.
>>36619249
right now i go 3 times / week, full body mostly compounds, 4 sets of each, around 5 reps (flat bench, some rows or dl, some shoulder presses, 1 ex of biceps, 1 for triceps, sometimes abs, squats every 1-2 weeks)
i dont count kcal, i eat whatever i want, probably around, sometimes 2.5k, sometimes 3.5k or more, if im getting too fat, i stop eating some junk food and add a bit of cardio for a few weeks
>>36619610
God damn dude. I go 5 times a week and I look nowhere as thick as you, but I've only been lifting for a year and a half. Perpetual twink mode
Fuck those dudes calling you a manlet btw. 5'7 with that build will get you all kinds of pussy where I come from. Forever mirin man.
>>36619684
that's called genes
he is genetically superior in this department, no matter how long you lift you wont looking anything like him
sorry just saying it how it is
>>36619741
>Genes
Not even the same guy shut the fuck up you faggot. It's not genes anon it's diet eat cleaner and work harder.
>>36619684
i dont mind anyone calling me a manlet, ive been here for 4 years, since i started lifting. i also dont live in a country with tall people, average height is probably 5'8, maybe 5'9.
i noticed i get way more attention since i started lifting for strength and mass. once, at the nearby store, was looking for some cottage cheese, then this guy comes up to me asking what cottage cheese should he buy, and other diet questions. another time i was waiting for a package, guy rings doorbell, 5 seconds i open the door he starts asking me how long have i been lifting for, and he starts telling me that he started lifting for a few months and asks me for any advice... guys at gym suspect me for roids and everyone at work asked me questions about gym.
>Tfw 13% and my rectus abdominis is starting to pop out slowly
>>36619275
full routine?
>>36619826
LOL
"it's not genes bro, tan more and you'll be black"
except you're not trolling and just fucking retarded like most newb nattys
>>36618778
Show us your body anon
>tfw under 12% bf but skelly
OP is a faggot
>>36618818
Same tbqh
>>36618892
>that huge fucking gut
>roiding for this
>>36618679
I'M TRYING
>sexier
it looks like a medical diagram or a skinned rabbit, though. It's "sexier" to be softer than that, I think
>>36618679
>Healthier to have 10-20% bodyfat, avoids sending your body into starvation mode
>Can eat til full without worrying
>Can eat a greater variety of macronutrients
>Look bigger in clothes
>Can lift heavier
>More energy
>Feel better
>Girls think you look big as fuark
>Can progress faster in the gym
>>36619939
>Implying
Clean eating and working harder in the gym got my squat up from 185 to 315 and I look fairly decent without a shirt on. I lift for strength though. It's entirely possible to look good natty hit 1/2/3/4 and then do a BB routine.
Because he doesn't have the motivation to go to the gym all the time which is fine with me...I'll try encourage him to come with me when I go so at least I have some one to spot me.
>tfw 13%
>>36620158
>starvation mode
>>36620246
>tfw 5%
>tfw 8% body fat
>still no visible abs
what is wrong with me
>>36620278
>8% body fat
>no visible abs
Pick one.
>>36620292
I wish I was joking. I took a scan to confirm it.
I think I must be some sort of genetic freak
>>36620359
Scans are shit.Post pics of your chiseled arms and chest and non visible abs pl0x
>>36620359
You probably have no ab muscle. Low bf won't mean shit if there's no muscle mass to show.
>>36620179
>I lift for strength, my squat is 315
>I look fairly decent, I mean I look like shit but I'm not posting a picture and I'm posting anonymously so I might as well exaggerate
>nevertheless let me tell you it's possible to have elite lifts and be 5'7 195lb lean natty
/fit/ at its best
>>36618774
Id bang the shit out of you
>>36618679
cause i have severe back pain every day from scoliosis and have a full time job which only leaves the weekends to workout. also was at 35% and am down to 20%, just takes a lot longer in my situation.
>>36618679
because i dont want to look like a skinny twink
Training 1,5 years now
Eating enough stays a problem
Hard time gaining
67kg
184cm tall
>>36618679
>under 12%
>look big
>natty
pick 2
>>36620561
Nice
>>36620561
Fuck, I have hardcore body dysmorphia because I don't think this looks impressive at all.
>>36618774
Thunder thighs pls go
>>36620561
>184cm
>67Kg
Literally 0 muscle mass.
>>36618679
>I am natural
>To remain in that percentage I would have to go full autismo with my food, my diet is mostly healthy but eating it's one of the best pleasure of life.
>>36618885
Would 500 be better breh?
>>36620629
Started at 61 kg so I did gained a bit
Only reaching 75 like my goal don't seem to work out
Because I'm a medical student
>tfw I don't care about abs but I do want to get rid of big pointy nipples
Some more definition would be great but I don't like looking too ripped.
>>36620561
eat more swecuck
I'm fat.
>>36620701
holy fuck
>>36618885
http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-probably-never-need-to-worry-about-it/
> 2016
> Still believing it's easy to lose muscle
>>36620701
What am i looking at here?
>>36620701
Can you explain what's bad about this pic for us non doctor plebs?
>>36620701
You've got a big heart
>>36619840
yeah man if you're not on roids you're got insane genetics good for you
>>36618804
if you're muscular and at 17% bf the last thing you'll be called will be 'fatty'
15-17% bf is around where you'll look most biggest clothed without looking fat which really helps especially if you're natty
less than 11% bf% makes you just look deflated and small as fuck, a bit weaker as well so meh
>>36620701
1.The owner of this x-ray is a fat fuck.
2. An enlarged heart.
And is the infiltration of the lower left lobe?
>>36619071
fml i feel like shit when manlets are swole as fuck at lighter weights than I am at, I'm 200lbs at 6'1 and I honestly am not even close to swole yet like this guy, more like a lanklet.
>>36620487
>I shitpost fairly regularly and let me tell you I've never lifted a day in my life which is why I'm getting upset when a fairly average lift you post about intimidates me
>I'm asking you to post a picture so I can see your body so I can drool over it like I do with all the other cute boys on here
>n-n-no I'm not a manlet but you have to be a manlet to obtain easily attainable lifts and look good
Shitposters at their best!
>>36618679
I am but can't see abs bcus of how much loose skin I have
6'2 178lbs (was 320lbs)
>>36618892
That guy looks like a big baby.
>>36620664
kek out of those 6 kilos you got 2 are just from extra waterweight coz glycogen storages
Food tastes good to be honest family.
I work out and I'm a healthy guy, so if I want to go to a burger joint or eat a bag of candy I'm gonna do it. I don't go crazy, I'm still tryna stay lean, but I'd rather maintain a balance of eating whatever I want and being healthy.
Like abs are nice, no doubt about it, but it just doesn't seem worth it to me to cook dry ass plain chicken for every meal just so maybe some girl gets wet. I'm not trying to bang randos, so if I'm banging a girl chances are she already likes me, my body, and my personality.
>>36621239
he looks about how I would expect someone his height to look at that weight and leanness. It isn't anywhere near a high weight although it helps he's lean.
>>36618975
fat
>>36621420
Thanks, although it would be nice to get to 70/75 kg. feels weird to be this light
>>36618679
I'm pretty new to lifting, and if I cut down to 12% without bulking first I would look terrible
>>36621361
This is the best approach.
>>36621361
it's almost like you're a sensible person who realizes it's retarded to treat lifting as a profession when you're not paid to do it
MyFitnessPal is recommending me 1500kcal a day. My protein shake is 100 kcal so I'm having to cut most of those out.
Am I fucking up? Should I take the protein anyway? Are my lifts going to suffer if I cut this hard?
I've put on 20kg since bulking and really want to get rid of it.
>>36621361
too much logic bro
calm down
>>36621560
>I've put on 20kg since bulking and really want to get rid of it
Please tell me this took you at least a year and you're swole as fuck right now.
>>36621473
I'm 2cm less than you in height, around 58kg now and I would see 67 as one of the steps on the way - athletes at my height tend to be ~80 (if they aren't lean). I've noticed looking through others' transformations that physiques ~82 at my height look the most strong, healthy etc. to me, even with variations in bf%.
>>36621560
>tfw no dragonbro ;_;
>>36621560
>100 kcal
>I'm having to cut most of those out
lol
>>36621592
>>36621501
>>36621550
Just trying to enjoy life despite the fact that it's mostly shit.
>>36621560
>MyFitnessPal is recommending me 1500kcal a day.
Are you on a serious cut or are you very small?
>>36621592
seriously it's like he found the one weird trick to go to the gym and make it benefit your life instead of overtaking it and making it shitty without you even realizing
>>36621597
It took s- six months senpai... Rippetoe told me to drink shittons of whole milk.
>>36621623
I'm around 5'10", male mid twenties. MyFitnessPal claims that at 1500kcals I'll loose 1kg of weight per week which is about what I'm looking for.
>>36621560
>My protein shake is 100 kcal
i can see how you put on 20kg.
200ml milk is 100 calories m8.
>>36621361
I appreciate the sentiment about balance, but the trouble with eating whatever we want is what we have now is engineered to appeal to our neurochemistry (sugar-loaded, high-fat). If you take an animal and let it eat "whatever it wants" and then let it change the food to make it more and more psychoactive (which food producers have done) then eventually you have a drug. We can continue to ignore that but it's pretty obvious if you look at basic neuroscience of food and how sugar and fat (scarce in the wild) stimulate all sorts of "eat more" behaviours through release of dopamine which encourages returning to the same place (repeat customer) and when you suddenly introduce a lot of what was previously scarce it helps sales (because among other things humans are adapted to "make the most" of what used to be a rare opportunity) but in my research it looks like that can lead to all sorts of disturbance of neurochemistry - all-out addiction being only one of them.
>>36621654
I'm not up on calories but I thought 500cal was the maximum healthy deficit and anything more had risks. I wouldn't imagine at 5'10 your daily intake is 2000, although as I say I'm not up on calories.
>>36620497
Pls be grill
>>36618774
I can see why you blur the face
too bad
>>36621654
Ah, if you were skelly then it's ok.
>>36619684
>lifting 1.5 years
>tiny arms
>tiny shoulders
>tiny legs
>no chest to be seen
>only even half decent thing is lats
surely this is b8, right?
>>36622104
>that post: bait
>scooby, latsbrah, hodgetwins, fucking olympic athletes, : natty
avg /fit/ poster's beliefs
>>36620359
Have you worked your core besides le squats & deadlifts meme?
>>36622202
not saying they're natty, just saying 18 months lifting natty should look a lot different from that guys physique.
unless you start as an absolute skeleton that physique should be easily attainable in 6 months max, and that's even pushing it. more like half that.
>>36621774
That's all totally true, but when I say I eat whatever I want I mean is I cook healthy food for myself but if I'm feeling lazy or I'm with friends I'll order in a pizza or go out for beers and wings or whatever. I'm not restricting myself. Even the "healthy" food I cook for myself I'm sure some would consider not healthy enough. But to me flavor > healthiness when it comes to cooking.
To clarify a little, I'll use butter liberally when cooking, salt the shit out of my meats, use sauces regardless of caloric content, stuff like that.
>>36622244
And, while I'm not shredded as fuaaark, I do look pretty good without a shirt on. Not visible abs per se (unless I'm flexin hard) but my core is tight and it's very clear I work out.
>>36621361
>cook dry ass plain chicken
Spices m8. Just a dry rub of any flavor powder like paprica, garlic, curry, whatever premade chicken mix - it will add negligible calories while hugely improving taste.
>>36621797
AFAIK you can do a hardcore Christian Bale kinda cut up to 1200 cal because below that point the body cannibalizes muscle.
>>36622043
I was a runner, properly skinny. It's probably alright, I'll see how this goes.
>>36622276
Or, and get this, I can use spices and sauces and not stress too much about calories.
I mostly meant that when I see folks on /fit/ post their chicken meals it's almost always cooked to the point of being dry as fuck. I know you gotta cook out all the pink but friends we don't need to dry it out to the point where it's like a jerky. Unless of course you're making jerky.
Because I like to drink
>>36622235
where is your information on that coming from?
>>36622235
if you had ONE gym buddy you'd know different people make different progress, get different results and have different potential. his progress is really not that far from the average
>>36620561
Your doing pretty good but I'd get another full year of training under your belt and you'll have all bitches the world had to offer.
>>36622289
I think the body cannibalises muscle if you don't have enough amino acid intake or you run out of fat to burn entirely. That's what Scooby's video "How to lose fat and gain muscle" said at least, and while I can't vouch for its scientific basis it makes sense.
It looks like 1kg a week is the maximum healthy weight loss rate so maybe that means your calorie level is ok - I was surprised because 1500 seems low but I have the opposite problem (underweight) so I've never researched it specifically.
I'm cutting right now
>>36618948
This is my being a father goal
>>36621720
>Putting milk in your protein shake
My powder is 20g protein and 100 calories per scoop, I usually put 2 scoops along with some oats in 12-16 oz of water.
>>36622317
>>36622321
if you honestly think that's what the average lifter looks like after 18 months you either don't lift or are extremely small yourself. and that goes for your 'gym buddy' too. kek.
>>36622417
even still, 100cal for a shake makes no sense unless it's literally just 1 scoop + water.
my shakes are generally like 400-500
>>36618679
>tfw no bf
>>36618975
Damn dude you're fucking hot.
>>36620853
I'm still not convinced. The only reason why I don't cut drastically is that I'm afraid of losing the small amount of mass I have. Or at least a great part of it.
>>36618679
Because my motivation is gone
>>36618679
I'm weak
Too much free food, not enough cooking for myself.
Also been cold as fuck out and I don't wanna exercise when it's cold as fuck.
Getting my diet in check and starting to work out more so it will happen.
>>36623178
Also alcohol. Too much of that.
>>36618975
joocy
>>36621361
>healthy food
>wings
Not bad at all. It's protein.
>beer
Ok. Not too much.
>butter
Butters good
>salt the shit out of my meats
http://>chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2015/07/paleotards-are-doing-it-wrong-part-deux.html?m=1
>And as for salt, which Audette rails against in a manner so prolific it rivals the Westboro Baptist Church's hatred of the homosexuals, it's not only necessary, but critical.
>"Certain isolated groups in areas such as Brazil, Papua New Guinea, and rural African communities have been found to live on sodium intakes of as little as 1150 mg per day. However, despite finding generally low blood pressure in these remote communities, the little evidence that exists on these low salt societies suggests shorter life expectancy and higher mortality rates" (Kresser).
>Paleo authors will often rail against sodium intake, suggesting that paleolithic man consumed less sodium than is recommended by the government to maintain optimal health. Apparently, however, they lack access to Wikipedia. Wild animals, of whom our ancestors were a part, utilize natural "salt licks" to maintain healthy bone and muscle growth. These mineral licks are so important to wildlife that they're illegally used to bait animals for hunting, and even the Vikings mentioned them prominently in their mythology. >According to Norse mythology,
>"In Norse mythology, before the creation of the world, it was the divine cow Audhumla who, through her licking of the cosmic salt ice, gave form to Buri, ancestor of the gods and grandfather of Odin. On the first day as Audhumla licked, Buri's hair appeared from the ice, on the second day his head and on the third his body" (Wikipedia)(cont.)
>>36623280
>(cont) In other words, no matter what the paleo authors might say, they're fucking morons- salt is important in your diet. Nevermind seasonings, which have been used since time immemorial- you need to salt your food. The issue with salt isn't too much salt- it's an imbalance in your salt and potassium intake. Prehistoric man ate a hell of a lot more potassium than we did, which kept their electrolytes balanced and kept them hydrated.
>>36623174
not him but that part about animals using salt was really interesting anon
Because I've been permacutting for 2 years. I want to kill myself /fit/. I always cut for 2-3 weeks perfectly (my record is probably 6 weeks, that was some solid progress) but then I relapse for 1-2 weeks and waste all of my progress.
I literally want to kill myself. I'm never going to make it. I'm not even that fat right now; I'm 16-17% bf right now...in the middle of another relapse.
>>36620561
It definitely looks like you should be eating more. I always live by the idea that your abs should not be visible while bulking, or else you're not eating enough.
>>36618975
>low bodyfat and abs are overrated and hard to maintain. i prefer eating anything i want, lifting heavy, looking bigger in clothes and somewhat decent without them.
That's about 13% bodyfat max dude. And I agree, I keep to about 12% bodyfat and normally stay lean.
