No memes, no bullshit please anons - is Starting Strength a good program for beginners?
>>>35463138
>QTDDTOT
Yes. Now fuck off, you absolute fucking faggot.
>>35473150
Yes, although when I train friends I have them do stronglifts.
It's just a preference but I think rows are easier to teach and become proficient at than powercleans.
Also stronglifts has a good app.
But they are both good programs and they both will do what you need them to do.
Honestly even if you do stronglifts, I still recommend reading the SS book, because it does a great job of explaining the basic methodology of linear progression and the lifts.
>>35473150
ITS GOOD BECASSE ALL UR SQUATS BELONG TO US AND CANDLEJACK IS GOI
Yes.
The meme that it's useless was started because the meme used to be that it's God Gift to Lifters and is in no way wrong whatsoever. Then people realised it'll make their legs big, and newfags like you have been confused since.
Read the sticky, lurk moar, and don't post here for the rest of the month. All the information you need/want is out there, just go and fucking look for it you bum or you'll never make it.
>>35473150
Yes, now fuck off and read the sticky.
>>35473150
SS is probably the greatest l reference for learning how to perfect your form, but it's a terrible lifting program.
Biggest problem with SS is an over-emphasis on quad muscle movements, and an under-emphasis on lat muscle movements.
>>35473150
ITS A STRENGTH ATHLETES PROGRAM, NOT A BODYBUILDING PROGRAM
It is a good routine, but don't expect to come off it looking like a bodybuilder. In fact, don't expect any routine to make you into a bodybuilder when you're just starting.
Do SS until you plateau really hard (many months), do a cut, and try to make gains again. Then go on to the Texas Method. Build lots of strength with this until you reach advanced level. Then go to a PPL routine with lots of volume to build mass. All in all, that's 2-3 years of hard work. During this whole time, never let yourself get to more than 15-17% body fat. When you reach 15% start cutting and go down to 10% before you start a bulk again.
There. I just planned your lifting career for you.
>>35473247
but who cares about the deficiencies in the program. You are only supposed to run it for like what 6-8 months or something?
A program like that assumes the trainee will have longevity, who cares if you are a little underdeveloped in some areas after 6 months, you can fix that in the long run. But having perfected your form will carry over for the rest of your lifting career.
Anyway I know you maybe weren't making that argument, I just figured id bring that up because a lot of people who criticize these novice strength programs, say shit like "well if you do a split youll look better after 6 months", well no shit but 6 months is nothing.
>>35473281
Worst plan ever. SS won't make you look like a body builder because it's not a bodybuilding program..
It's for athletes looking to get stronger for fucks sake
>>35473247
It's a strength program, the primary mover for most sports are your fucking legs
SS had pull-ups and chin-ups and even suggests you add barbell rows as an assistance.
Stop being a lazy fuck and do the pull-ups like the program says to do
>>35473150
yeah, but not in the way you think. it's like a person needs to make mistakes in order to fully appreciate the right way of doing things. ss is the rite of passage mistake every young lifter should make
>>35473247
Because its based on a movements for American Football. At its root it is a functional strength program for getting off the ground with maximum power.
>>35473336
Did you actually read that guys plan? It's good advice.
>>35474297
No because it infers OP wants to bodybuild
Bodybuilding is gay and narcissistic
>>35473150
Just fucking lift the heavy thing and put if down again. This is not rocket science
>>35474340
He told the guy to do two strength training routines. That's a fuck ton of strength gains
just do dips on non-bench day and pull ups on bench day 3x8, then work up to 4x10, then start adding weight
have people still not figured it out?
>>35474399
No it's not, that won't take him to a 300kg squat.
>>35473281
I can smell the Mountain Dew and facial grease from your post. Truly terrible advice, typical non-lifting /fit/ poster.
>>35473270
>ITS A STRENGTH ATHLETES PROGRAM, NOT A BODYBUILDING PROGRAM
If you think that those two things are mutually exclusive, then I'm sure that you've been lifting less than a year, and you're less than 160 lbs.
>>35474407
Might want to start out with close grip bench press and chin ups if you're a weakling/skinnyfat/skeleton/fatass
Do curls too, just to spite /fit/
>>35474469
I agree no ice lifters don't need specialisation, but the premise of the program is to strengthen the athlete so he can become an intermediate and chose to specialise, not make the athlete look good in front of a mirror.
Stop looking for a fight you arrogant man child.
>>35473150
yes, just ignore mark's nutritional advice.
motherfucker thinks you need a caloric surplus of 2000 kcal.
it is ridiculous.
just stick to a small surplus of 250-500 kcal.
>>35473188
SPOILER ALERT: don't let paranoia dictate programming.
if you find your legs getting too big... just stop squatting.
shit ain't rocket science.
here is another spoiler alert: you can't get too big without roids.
i prefer pic related with powercleans to SS, but the routine is almost the same goddamn thing.
>>35473247
>iggest problem with SS is an over-emphasis on quad muscle movements, and an under-emphasis on lat muscle movements.
i half-ass agree, but i still think SS is an amazingly good program for beginners to get their strength base.
but for this reason i quoted, i prefer greyskull LP
>>35473247
It's to get strong fuck face. Not make your lats look good. What do you think is a bigger muscle for strength, the shit that's used to squat 3 pl8 or the shit used to do 15 lb limp wrist lateral raises? Why are so many people on /fit/ fucking stupid. Why are so many people on /fit/ not even lifters.
>>35474513
I get the impression that surplus was for sport performance, of the American Football variety. Fat people are stronger, it's a fact
>>35474513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HV-wvNa2GM
It's for skinny teenage boys faggot, not your fat ass. And it's not a long term plan. Why are you so fucking stupid?
>>35474537
>legs getting too big
impossible
>>35474580
you should read his book.
he explicitly states you can't gain strength on 5,000kcal and you need to eat 7,000kcal to progress
which is absolute horseshit.
you are correct in saying it will make you fat, however,
..hence my advice to avoid his nutritional advice like the plague.
>>35474579
lateral raises are from your median deltoid, faggot.
lats are the biggest, strongest muscle on your back.
..ever hear of deadlifts?
>>35474579
>says people on /fit/ don't even lift
>thinks lats are weak
>thinks side lateral raises engage latissimus dorsi, not the lateral head of the deltoid
>calls people on /fit/ stupid
I sincerely hope for your sake, that this was a troll.
if not... post pics. I want to see what someone who even lifts looks like
>>35474617
sure is, unless you take roids.
are you implying tom platz is natty?
>>35474660
>post pics
The most desperate and insecure statement on /fit/.
>>35474499
rippetoe claims ss is the best starting program for looking good in the mirror too
>>35474513
>>35474623
he never claims +2000kcal, he basically mentions the 6000kcal to get skinny people to eat. he never says "you cant get big on 5000"
in practice (zach, "the clarification") he does about +800kcal for the first few months or so and then 300-500
>>35473247
ss has chins tho, you dont need to do chins/rows every workout cause likewise you dont need to bench every workout
>>35474623
medial = closest to the middle (of your body)
so medial delts = front and rear delts
lateral delts are lateral delts
>>35474660
Please show us what a real lifter looks like. We need to know for reference cool guy.
>>35474683
>idiot makes stupid claims
>we all know he must look like shit
>you ask him to post pics because he will either out himself as a fatfuck DYEL or will refuse to post them, thus negating his credibility as someone who lifts
fuck off, tripfaggot... don't pretend you aren't the cancer here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
>>35474700
>rippetoe claims ss is the best starting program for looking good in the mirror too
Show me where he says this
>>35474718
>guy makes comment about how alot of people on fit don't lift
>random faggot gets upset because he doesn't lift and demands pictures
Still waiting
>>35474700
>in practice (zach, "the clarification") he does about +800kcal for the first few months or so and then 300-500
and that was still a stupidly huge surplus
>>35474700
google deltoid heads.
watch as what you think is the "lateral" head is called the "median" head by almost every modern academic source.
lateral head is a term pretty much exclusive to broscientists
>>35474733
>makes a comment on how a lot of people on /fit/ don't lift
...only after making it abundantly clear that he knows nothing about lifting.
>using a deltoid exercise to shit on lat strength
>doesn't mention deadlifts or pull ups - the real exercises that use lats
>claims to lift
0/10
>>35474660
Did he hit a nerve when he said a lot of niggers don't lift. Post pics
>>35474718
Pics not memes
>>35474720
>hasn't read the book
why even post?
>>35474774
Go fuck yourself
I don't remember reading that minor shit
>>35474623
Your traps are way more powerful than your lats amigo
>>35474762
Who cares what a random person on an image board says. Show him he's wrong and fit lifts. Why get so upset an shit your diapers over an inane statement
>>35474770
>refuses to post pics when asked
>demands pics, after having been asked and refusing to post them
uh...
what fresh hell is this?
>did he hit a nerve when he said a lot of niggers don't lift?
no.
obviously not.
most of /fit/ doesn't lift.
but that doesn't mean he isn't laughably wrong about literally every claim he made.
>>35474683
50 eggs
>>35474792
>who cares what he says
>show him he's wrong
nice contradiction
calling someone stupid for saying stupid shit =/= shitting diapers
>>35474795
lol wrong person faggot. Did I hit a nerve? Show me up bruv.
>>35474804
>50 eggs
Pardon?
>>35474821
>implying you aren't samefagging
0/10
it is too obvious, because literally nobody but yourself would agree that lats aren't the biggest, strongest upper body muscle.
and only a fucktard would think side lateral raise has anything to do with lats
>>35474805
Pointing out that you're upset and telling you that you can shut him the fuck up isn't a contradiction. It's more. A suggestion to solve your anal apocalypse
>>35474805
I was wrong. Show me that I was wrong about you not lifting.
>>35474825
Don't ever reply to my post again unless you have something to contribute for this thread.
>>35474863
my only motivation was to discredit you as a source of information.
your inability to post pics, and now your concession have done that.
as long as you admit to being retarded and that nobody should take you seriously, i don't give a good goddamn to defend "myself" on an anonymous ukranian pommel-crafting forum.
because i am not autistic or upset enough to take this shit seriously or personally.
i just didn't want a noob to take you seriously.
>>35474881
>Don't ever reply to my post again unless you have something to contribute for this thread.
I better bring a band-aid next time, cuz you're all edges, ha.
I contribute knowledge, experience, and opinion to every thread I'm in.
You bitch about everything like an insolent 14 year old girl.
I also find it ESPECIALLY ironic that you've never posted a single lift, despite your obvious expertise.
POST LIFTS FAGUT I DARE YOU.
>>35474742
>watch as what you think is the "lateral" head is called the "median" head by almost every modern academic source.
lol, are you absolutely retarded? all i can see is getrippedfast.com articles talking about medial delts. even wikipedia says "people say medial delts but thats retarded"
and it doesnt matter who talks about them, i literally told you the meaning of the words which tells that they are NOT medial delts. youre basically calling them "innermost delts" while theyre the outermost. google the fucking words up and admit youre wrong you piece of SHIT
>>35474920
Autistic prick doesn't even know his memes
>>35473150
Pic related.
>>35474889
>i just didn't want a noob to take you seriously.
>I'll take the high road and tip fedora
I don't even lift nii-sama. Show me.
>>35474579
lolol dumbass doesn't understand the concept of torque, also thinks lateral raises are for your lats. gtfo
>>35474926
>conflates median for medial
i think i found your problem
consider learning how to read
>>35474920
>being this new
>also being a tripfag
HOLY FUCK
please leave 4chan forever.
or at least this board.
>>35473150
>>35474963
>>35474972
>>35475009
Fuckin juicy m8
>>35474972
>pins test
>doesn't know shit about lifting
...am i supposed to be impressed?
>>35475029
hahaha did I really just get accused of steroids? I fucking made it guys. I fucking finally made it.
>>35475036
not because "you're so fucking jacked"
but because you are so retarded, it is clear that you need that there celltech to lift like a casual and still make gains.
>>35475233
Sounds like an angry dyel. Post pics
>>35474399
Frequently cutting down to 10% is retarded if you lift for strength, starting to recomp at 15-17% would be better
>>35473150
Its a meme
>>35474675
I'm implying that "legs getting too big" isn't a realistic concern because legs that could plausibly be described as "too big" don't happen accidentally. Whether Tom was natty or not is irrelevant; him juicing would actually strengthen my point.
>>35473150
>>35474537
Stupid question, what does it mean by alternating?
Like, literally alternate OHP BP OHP BP etc until you've done five sets of each?
>>35476748
Day 1: BP
Day 2: OHP
Day 3: BP
Day 4: OHP
Day 5: BP
...
>>35476831
Thanks anon
How long should a skelly/aushwitz do SS?
>>35474563
Even for someone that's novice-intermediate on a cut?
>>35475009
M-mirin'
How much you squat for reps?
>>35473150
The simple fact-of-the-matter is that if you do SS, and eat a reasonable diet (most likely not the one outlined in the book), at the end of novice training you will look better and be stronger than 90% of the world's population. This is literally a fact.
>>35477231
until you stop making linear progression
>>35475009
this is called going way too far to the point women find you actually repulsive.
sorry bro.
>>35480202
>lifting for women
>>35480227
>ignoring your physical attractiveness in pursuit of a hobby
