last one is obsolete
good pics this time please
accelerationism
transhumanism
collapse
futurism
cyberpunk
east asian metropolis
>>9026117
It'd be nice if we could discuss some of the philosophical and cultural aspects to this stuff without it devolving into a debate over the definition of "techwear."
Some links:
http://deontologistics.tumblr.com/post/91953882443/so-accelerationism-whats-all-that-about
http://www.e-flux.com/journal/editorial%E2%80%94%E2%80%9Caccelerationist-aesthetics%E2%80%9D/
W2C high vis softshell
tech wear is my favorite fashion
>>9026554
reminds me of
>>9026276
the e-flux article basically doesnt say anything. pretentious hot air, what a waste.
>>9026717
seriously. those links were both dense and abysmal.
hope outlier have some dope ebola proof fabrics in their next drop
Any white techwear inspo?
![BsNy9ZmCcAE7KjT[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ctEu9cJ.jpg "BsNy9ZmCcAE7KjT[1].jpg")
>>9027876
if you like white shoes
>>9027895
These are marvelous.
>>9027906
going to a puma store today. hopefully they have some there. I want to see how the dial works before I cop.
>>9027876
techwear is for asians so the answer is 'no' really
>>9026080
People need to understand that monochrome =/= teechwear
>>9027911
Aight, have a good one. Do they fit TTS btw? Been putting off copping a pair discs for way too long now. Corks, Chang, Chalayans, Kiths man. They were all juicy as fuck.
>>9027922
we are utilitarians and minimalists
we are naturally attracted to the most functional colours
>>9027895
Ah I meant white people pulling off techwear. Not white garments. Thanks though.
anybody talked yet about the norse projects rokkvi 2.0? looks sick
>>9027938
howaito piggu not suitaburu for techuwear desu ne
![Puma-Swift-Tech-Pack-02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/TR4wrwm.jpg "Puma-Swift-Tech-Pack-02[1].jpg")
>>9027930
no idea but from what I've heard puma shoes run narrow as fuck so you might have to size up a half or so. if they have a pair there I'll find out. they dont look bad without the dial either
>>9027944
>£600
>no anti-ebola™ materials
i think ill pass
>>9027933
I understand how monochrome is functional. OP's picture is not at all tech.
>>9027960
you're right it's not specifically without further information about the pieces
>>9027966
i don't think leather-looking high fashion sandals could ever be called techwear no matter how much brand information you have
>>9027947
Yea I'm a US9 in Nike's but a 10 in Puma's for almost the same fit.
I posted a Lululemon blazer in the last thread. Here's a fit pic for anyone interested.
>>9028147
Which model do you have?
I am looking for new beater x runners and have been eyeing the Trinomic Discs and Blazes for a while.
How comfy and durable are they?
>>9028203
Chalayan discs
Size up or make sure they have a good return policy if you order online.
>>9026080
w2c those sandals bruh
>outlier slims coming tomorrow morning
hope they fit well
>>9028174
Roy?
>>9027947
>Puma-Swift-Tech-
first good thing i've seen on /fa/
how many days till it becomes meme-clothing ?
>mfw my only choice is OLIVE acr-j34 or arcteryx veilance field is jacket in black
Life is cruel
Do the Outlier Merino shirts keep you cool? I cycle to work often and need something to keep cool as it's hot as balls where I live.
>>9026276
he's been wearing those glasses since forever
>>9027895
What discs are these? I'm diggin em
>>9028519
ive got the Merino sweat pants and that shirt.
I literally use that fit just for cycling
they GOAT even if expensive
>>9028203
W2c shoes in pic?
>>9028593
Do they shrink a lot in the wash? Thinking of copping 1 along with the new OG's for work.
>>9028651
tighten/loosen the shoe
>>9026080
what sweater is that, or where can i find a similar styled sweater?
can someone post some inspo of dress shirts + tech-y shoes like swift techs, furies, roshes, tubular, whatever the fuck else comes to mind
i'm thinking of copping some tech-y shoes but think they will look kind of dumb towards summer with collared shirts, which i tend to wear more when ti gets warmer
>>9026276
yo this shit is some drivel
the tumblr link has some nice sketches of ideas but how the fuck does it carry over to techwear?
the second link is utter garbage.
>>9028694
autism
pete wofendale is a leftist faggot
>>9029058
I know! Isn't it awesome?
dumping some stuff
>>9029086
Should I go with white or black with the disc shoes?
>>9029089
>>9029095
>>9029076
are you going to get his ooo book? might get the library to order it fuck am i paying
can someone kindly suggest a handful of techwear pants to cop for a starting point. I work at a performance clothing store, get all the jackets and what not cheap, but we don't carry any slimmer, functional pants. tl;dr pants pls
>>9028174
What are the shoes?
what jacket is this? google image search doesnt help
>>9029104
Probably eventually, but TBH I've been reading elsewhere for a while and need to catch up on OOO first.
15 GBP/$25 isn't bad at all for an academic book. I've paid more for fiction.
>>9029145
Well, what are you looking for in the pants, functionally and stylistically, and what's your budget?
>>9028728
Fuuka "streetwear inspo" or something like that - the joke line is that "streetwear is just dadcore with sneakers," which is all kinds of wrong but sometimes has a point.
https://warosu.org/fa/thread/S8563601
This recent-ish thread seems like it might be especially useful to you.
>>9029301
yeah well im saving up for an acronym jacket so relying on pdfs and the library for now
Looking for a liner to add some extra warmth to a flight jacket to take it from warm in -10 to warm in -20, any suggestions? Thanks homies.
>>9029316
Arcteryx?
>>9029309
Ah, so am I, but I'm so used to making notes in the margins that when I get a PDF I want to dig into I go through the hassle and cost of printing it out.
I love it but so much money over time, you're right. I'm shit at saving.
>>9029211
Acronym x Hyperstealth x DSM Diagon Alley F/W 2019 I[nvisibility]C[cloak]-CP2.
>>9029316
Not a bad call. Pretty much any insulator that fits under it you could use.
I don't know how warm flight jackets are, or how much space winds up under them on the body, but some current things I think would make good liners:
http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-down-shirt?p=84745-0
http://www.uniqlo.com/us/product/men-ultra-light-down-compact-v-neck-cardigan-131561.html#09|/men/outerwear/ultra-light-down/compact/|
http://shop.havenshop.ca/collections/jackets/products/six-month-cardigan-nylon-black
http://marmot.com/products/details/alpha-pro-jacket
The Marmot is a bit of an outlier, but the combination of relative thinness, Polartec Alpha (more durable than most synthetic insulations, specifically designed to deal with varying activity levels without removing), and the hybrid construction that makes it almost like a second baselayer plus a vest seem potentially good for a liner.
You might also want to look at milsurp liners, even if there isn't one specifically for your jacket. (If there is, that's probably the best idea, just so it actually attaches.)
Not sure if techwear exactly, but does anyone know w2c some effay baselayer stuff?
>>9029392
i just have seperate paper to make notes with page references
i find it's a lot easier to review reading that way anyway, rather than having it all scattered and crammed in the margins
>>9029090
pls respond
>>9029309
May I kindly remind you the fact that almost every single item made by ACRNM is sold out since forever?
>>9029149
Nike ACG i-95
>>9026276
philosophical and cultural aspects of what? it's fucking wearing goretex and big pockets
>>9029500
they have new things each season
>>9029573
Good luck with ss15 then
>>9029511
that's like saying ivy league prep is 'just' boat shoes and striped ties
we wear clothes never in a mode of 'just' wearing clothes but as a manner of speaking in relation to life/society/culture
it is not really surprising that william gibson is such a big fan of acronym >>9026276 @greatdismal
>>9029656
Gibson and Errolson Hugh have a lot to do with each other, but neither of them have much to do with the contents of those linked pages. Certainly, neither of them are dystopians or transhumanists (as the word is now associated) or indeed particularly anti-capitalist.
>>9029090
what the fuck else are you wearing?
black is usually a better choice. my problem with less high end white materials is that they look cheaper and plastic-y sometimes, and that wil definitely pop out on the swift techs
>>9029781
also ultimately we are dealing with clothing on this board, which is in almost all regards and arch capitalist field. some exceptions but lmao
>>9029086
that just looks grumpy
>>9029145
yo more general thoughts on those comfy "utility" slacks in the sense that they are allegedly flexible and durable enoguh to jump run and climb in
http://ministryofsupply.com/products/aviator
soudns pretty gimmicky but if that's actually the case im into it. i hate that slacks are suck shitty pieces of clothing for doing anything other than walking and sitting
>>9029301
Im looking for slim fitting pants. pockets are nice. Black is nice. Functional materials- no cotton, less polyester. I just bought Icebreaker Field Pants- they're very ideal functionally, but don't come in black or have much fashion value. The best i've found were Outlier Climbers.
Budget- the cheaper the better but I'd be willing to pay 200+ for the right fit
>>9030003
Polyamide Fabrics mimic wools natural function- in those terms it's less gimmick and actually pretty decent- that said, smaller companies struggle with the breathability technology often. That said, I like where the linked ones are going, and the specs are right.
>>9028280
>shoes in US 13 are hard to find
No one makes them it breaks my heart
is there a way to mix classic menswear with techwear?
>>9030277
You mean besides Outlier?
Here's some inspo. This is a knife from TAD gear circa 2006
is there anyway to make me look like a deus ex human revolution character without having to buy thousand dollar arcteryx pieces
>>9029983
thanks man
decided to go with black, they look more tech to me and I've already experiment with white shoes and liked them less than my black ones.
excited!
you're cool dude I hope you succeed in all your endeavors, live it large and good
>>9028174
Link for that blazer? Couldnt find it on their website
>>9030298
if that shit was transparent it would be some post-internet garbage
also knives are not effay
>>9030323
damn homie. thanks for being positive.
i'm thinking of copping some too but am not sure if i should cough up the ~$140 for swift tech discs.
I also kind of want reebok fury pumps.
cant decide which one i like better and how black to go with them, or if price point matters to me enough to choose one over the other.
unless if you know some brilliant way to cop for less.
>>9030493
no problem man
to be honest not really feeling the pumps, I like the disks better on the swift techs and the pumps have a bit too much branding
can't really help you with finding either for cheaper though, aside from religiously checking resale sites
>>9030510
that's a good point, the branding is a little too prominent with the pumps. i trawl ebay too much for cool sneakers. i gave up on the rafdidas hunt when i realized my other hobby would put too much of a hole in my bank account. i'm just a dingus.
anyway, how do the disks generally size, should i be wary of ordering my usual US size?
>>9030493
holy shit why do i actually like these shoes? whenever i see them in the huge variety of colors, i just think to myself
"this is evangelion the shoe what the fuck"
>>9030542
I hear they size a little smaller/narrower so I'm doing half a size up from mine
>>9030401
It was at a discounter. It must be old stock, I don't see it on their site either. It's called the "2 in 1 Commuter Blazer".
>>9026554
kershaw skyline, hell of knife to try and look edgy with.
>>9028203
i cant wait for tubulars to blow qasas the fuck out
>>9030721
true, i'd much rather be trying to look deep and edgy with an emerson knife.
>>9030769
why not a COLD STEEL BATTLE READY KATANA
>>9026554
you look silly lets put that knife down so you dont hurt yourself
>>9030769
holy shit that knife cut right into that banana. really what I look for in a knife
>tfw copped some maharishi shit a while back
>tfw not feeling it
![X-Acto-knife[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oojMXGf.jpg "X-Acto-knife[1].jpg")
>>9030298
>>9030769
>>9030775
>>9026080
How is this techwear at all? That just looks like a full on fit made out of sweatpants materials
>>9030855
is it ~le edgy to make death threats while trying to clear and FTF from your wasr-10 because too poor for a real gun like a MR556?
>>9030817
that cuz u wearin them with fuckin nbs
wear some techwear shit like y3 or something
>>9030959
we do not deal with guns in east asian metropolises
>>9031353
i dont think you into accelerationism bro
>>9031366
it sounds like almost every other dribble variety of post-marx leftism if I'm reading it correctly...which I'm likely not. care to tl;dr the concept for me?
>>9031416
just as there was an uneasy transition period between feudalism and capitalism, capitalism is itself an uneasy transition period to... something else?
and they want that transition to finish sooner rather than later.
>>9030239
that pic is so dope, dude. lol
>>9029145
levi's commuter -> outlier -> maharishi
[order of increasing price]
>>9028174
Whats the name of the tank top you bought?
Also your hot. Would face fuck you till I blew my load down your throat.
>>9031650
the thirst is real
>>9030239
that picture is so cool
>>9031631
I own these maharashis and in my opinion they are a very bad fit
would not recommend copping but I may have just been unlucky
for those who think G-shock are chunky and unshapely check out the Citizen Ana-Digi's from way back when
pic related, it's mine ^_^
>>9031745
jelly
>>9031763
need some toast with that jelly
>>9031773
that looks horrible, much better with the other band
>>9031814
depends on the fit really
my 3rd-arm collection
>>9028698
keep cool, not warm
regardless, you answered the question indirectly
>>9029095
w2c qt
>>9031454
Well that's some bad history.
This isn't worth a thread.
What are Jubilee's sunglasses?
What is the style called, if at all?
Pic related.
Is there a techninja inspo album anywhere?
>>9032438
just get kenzo ss15
Can someone post a tech ninja informational or basics image?
>>9028174
Not too much into black anymore but I dig the use of Foamposites. Been saying that they've been underused in this context for a while. Good fit!
>>9032496
*Flightposites
>>9031454
>>9031416
not quite. i think the real focus, especially in those articles, no matter ho wishy washy, is that of the self-consciousness of capitalism's demise. the knowledge that accelerationism it happening, in the sense that people come to understand Marx's dialectic shifts and know that the ultimate collapse of capitalism is inevitable, that self-awareness has a particular set of problems. it can lead to the state or capitalists behaving differently, and in this case, it leads to a very different set of aesthetics based on this convoluted period of post-industrial, post-internet angst.
i add post internet because most marxism honestly loses touch when it increases in tech level, so much marxist thought needs to be rebooted for this era, and a lot of accelerationists actually suck at this.
>>9031773
>>9031745
this is basically as ugly as IRL steampunk what the fuck man. it's kinda quirky but ugly
>>9031650
dude... offer up the ass first you fucking noob
>>9032213
those are pretty cool. out of curiosity what are your thoughts on Chrome bags?
>>9032438
this thread has gone pretty far and it was totally worth a thread
>>9032496
the buttons on that thing are really bad imo
>>9032538
No, I meant my question about Jubilee's sunglasses wasn't worth a thread.
I could've been a little clearer.
>>9032592
oh my bad homie.
got it.
>>9032416
yo all of this shit if next level terrible.
>>9026276
I've always seen techwear as a reaction to the natural environment
Like when it's raining...you wear a rain jacket
When it's windy...you wear a windbreaker
just getting into techwear, is this considered a hardshell or a softshell?
http://www.uniqlo.com/us/product/men-reversible-parka-131545.html#09|/men/outerwear/jackets-and-coats/casual/|
>>9032538
>the buttons on that thing are really bad imo
how so? it's an old tried and true style of button placement
or do you mean you've handled them yourself and they fall apart easily
>>9026554
w2c jacket?
>>9026080
w2c the sweatshirt?
>>9033606
http://arcteryx.com/HardshellvsSoftshell.aspx?language=EN
>>9034230
oh I see
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>>9030277
>is there a way to mix classic menswear with techwear?
+Outlier
+Ministry of Supply
+Chrome Industries
+Proof NY
+Outerboro
+Mizzen+Main
yw.
>>9030959
>WASR-10
>FTF ever
naw.
Is the only true tech haircut a shaved head?
>>9034612
And a man-bun.
>>9033217
w2c grill
>>9034612
yes
>>9033606
It's just a jacket, not a shell at all. It doesn't claim to be waterproof or water resistant in any way.
>>9033668
totally unnecessary touch. buttons plus zippers are dubm and clunky in terms of look
>>9035525
Zipper closes the jacket, buttons keep the storm flap closed. It's a pretty standard arrangement.
>>9035561
his point is that it's not very -aesthetic- which considering the style of concern here is a true statement
>>9031631
those guys legs are fucked. knock knees? or just reallllly bad fit?
>>9027911
changs look good, i just wish they didn't say "believe the hype" on back. still might cop
>>9035307
yeah i checked that
it's not a shell at all, just tricked me
Think I'll just spend a bit more and get a field jacket
>>9030565
Why is 00 fucking blue in this gif?
>>9036504
have you not watched anything beyond the battle with ramiel? because after getting blasted, 00's armor is refitted and painted blue. do u even into eva
>>9030817
Which pants are these?
I'm going on a backpacking trip through southeast asia. What are some good techwear base layers to consider? I'm trying to decide between merrino and synthetics like uniqlo's airism. Airism tees seem better suited to the climate but looks terrible if worn on its own though.
>>9036995
you're going backpacking. how good your fit looks should be the lowest priority.
what the fuck
>>9034431
Thanks for the info, I'm always looking for some good products out there regardless of the marketing. And alternatives to Outlier are always nice.
Add Makers + Riders to that list as well (pic unrelated)
>>9036995
>southeast asia
well that's not exactly east asia, i don't see how techwear is suitable tbh
>>9036995
As long as the fabric is thin, breathable, and dries quick. Doesn't really matter. It will be dank, humid, polluted, and it will probably rain a lot. Personally I would just bring or buy on-site, more than a few cheap shirts and switch between them
Oh and wear unbranded and unassuming shit cause you'll be an easy target for pickpockets and the like if you stand out they recognize the logo
>>9038738
zipped pockets and forward positioned fanny packs are good for reducing risk of pick pocket
>>9038738
w2c jacket?!
>>9039203
you can try excluding tumblr.com results you geniouse
>>9027832
being western is ebola proof enough...
>>9031733
I have a pair and they fit fine. Sorry you have birther hips or something.
>>9029086
so is techwear essentially just unibomber?
>>9032213
>not all black
>autism becomes unbearable looking at these
:[ i want to love
>>9039111
>>9039203
older season Highland I'm guessing from the rope element
wish i could pull the trigger this but im tying to save up
http://www.mrporter.com/mens/visvim/ballistic-leather-and-canvas-backpack/457910
>>9039319
what are you saving up for, vis ballistic is really nice nd you should prob go for it
>>9039476
tempt me not satan
>>9038114
Yeah, I'm a fan of Makers+Riders too, but I didn't know if that would fall under the "performance menswear" theme. A few others to lookout for:
+Endless Ammo
+SWRVE
+Nau (probably could've gone with the menswear list)
+Ma.strum
+Giro
+Chrome Industries
+Theory+
>>9039727
kek
Can anyone recommend any good tech boots. Have to be waterproof, and decently warm, but i can always wear wool socks or smthn if it gets too cold.
Also I'd prefer a slightly chunkier boot, over a slim one
>>9040585
I don't see it mentioned anywhere ever but Houdini has some dope pieces I've been drooling over but they are mostly out of my budget.
>>9040925
>>9040927
>>9040940
>>9039255
Shut the fuck up. Do you know how hard it is to find an X-pac 3A-1?
>This whole fucking thread
>>9031454
You should probably read more, the transition was a lot more complex than that.
Personally I think that capitalism by definition wont collapse for a long time and is still a pretty solid system. I do however expect a pretty abrupt and revolutionary series of changes away from monetary capitalism to a system based on human capital over the next 100 years or so. At that point I feel like transhumanist technology will make our understanding of human interaction so obsolete that the way in which we organize ourselves wont particularly matter.
>>9028174
Luka Magnotta is that you
>>9027933
Nerd
bump
![evian-christ-161014a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BbZuGhe.jpg "evian-christ-161014a[1].jpg")
Does anyone know what jacket this is?
>>9043931
kiketwink
>>9043931
Check yesstyle.com
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What're some good fabrics I could use as the outer layer of making a jacket? I've been reverse engineering some acrynym stuff based on what I've seen on the internet (the TRUEST kind of hacker) and I think I've got the jacket sling figured out. I'm just not sure how they do the backpack under the pit zip and coming through the chest zip, and how they do the gravity pocket. Any acronym owners who could give me reference pics, or explain? I'm thinking of three potential jacket designs. one is a knee-length coat to be worn on its own, one is a normal jacket to be worn on its own in hotter months with the vents exposed OR worn under my thermoball in the winter, OR one that's the first jacket but it zips up to waist length somehow. I'm making my own because I'm too poor and I need a jacket that can specifically hold my surface pro on my person, no jacket thus far has had the pocket space AND breathability I require. Fabric reccommendations for lining and main fabric? For the surface pro pocket, should it be stealthy and interior, or should it be one of the chest flak pockets?
>>9044209
try trawling through the acronym thread on sufu. no one here owns acronym
>>9026276
New/fa/g here, what exactly is techwear? Not to start a huge debate or anything
>>9040925
What shoes are those?
>>9044243
"Technical clothing is any garment that, through advanced fabric, treatment, cut, or construction, provides a function beyond hiding nudity. Some older examples of technical clothing that you may recognize are, traditional or heritage garments like rubber boots and waxed jackets, and armed forces uniforms. Some newer examples are hiking gear and sports/athletic clothes. Techwear or Urban Techwear, is a subset of technical clothing with an aesthetic that is contemporary or futuristic, fashionable/stylish, and is designed specifically for your common city-dweller's day-to-day situations. "
From http://dressed-down.com/, which is a good overview as long as you don't take it all as some definitive taxonomy.
>>9044209
Unfortunately, I don't know much about the production side, so I can't really help you there.
IMHO though, I think the tablet pocket should be an interior one. Just because I would want it to be as far from potential rain as possible.
>>9044209
Repost this next techwear general. I can do some fabric schooling but this thread will probably be dead before I can.
>>9045194
It doesn't matter how far it is from rain as long as it's properly sealed, although an interior pocket is still an ace idea, simply because you're not going to be removing it outdoors (so, who cares if you have to open the jacket) most of the time and it gives you more design flexibility.
I wish Arc'teryx still had supplies on their Veillance F/W 13" mionn composite jacket...
Litteraly one of the best top tier stuff they've done so far.
IMO one of the best techwear jacket.
http://kroywen.jp/?pid=70055246
2014 they delivered only overpriced rubbish.
>>9040906
seconding this
ok guys, finally getting some downtime
does anyone remember where i left off?
>>9046954
3/4 tech pants options?
could pic related work into a techwear fit?
>>9047000
yes
>>9047019
i would unbrand it, first, though...
>>9047021
i'd argue its small enough not to really be a big deal, but i think it could make for a nice layering piece
>>9047028
eh, i'd still do it. but, of course, that's just me
>>9047032
>>9047032
what's the name of the mag you're scanning from?
>>9047000
ye man vests are underappreciated, could be really good if your into layering
>>9047000
>sold out
dang
>>9046984
I'm looking for 3/4 pants as well
>>9028594
this
>>9045709
looks like something u'd get at northface man
>>9047038
sorry, had to run. rhino stuff.
it's a book called Supermodern Wardrobe.
here's the last portion of it.
http://imgur.com/a/fRZU4
![de505f-main[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/N31iPhl.png "de505f-main[1].png")
is this too lunar?
![3a1b2b-main[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2ExmAg4.png "3a1b2b-main[1].png")
>>9048391
vest version (could accent with black or gray sleeves and / or trousers)
>>9034612
Nah, you gotta have some hair for insulation. Short but functional.
my gyakusou jacket arrived today, i'm really stoked to run in it later. it fits perfect, i usually wear M but bought a XL one. it's from the F/W 2012 collection
>>9049164
pics
ZX Flux in gore tex, kinda tempted to cop
>>9049363
Are the soles made for rain/snow at all? If my feet are gonna sweat id rather not slip
>>9036995
If you're going backpacking look at actually /out/ brands. you can gearfag it up if you want. check out Patagonia, Arc'teryx, Black Diamond, Norrona. Uniqlo is the last place you want to go.
>>9050341
vest is not cool
>>9040585
>Yeah, I'm a fan of Makers+Riders too, but I didn't know if that would fall under the "performance menswear" theme.
Well it fits with the urban techwear theme. Can't get any more urban than pants aimed at deskjob biker and courier crowd.
Curious about Outerboro, their pics look great and I'm looking at the Aegis cause I have a big phone to lug around. Can anybody comment on the quality, or how their pants compare with Outlier?
What do you all think of this fit?
>>9051468
that hair looks really stupid
>>9051468
Might just be the color in the photo, but that jacket looks pretty thrift-tier. Pull pants further down b4 taking the pic to avoid knee boobs. Not digging the hair either, but whatever works for ya.
