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Hello.
May I ask a question?
Some anon says you don't discuss about anime here /e/.
How come you don't do in /e/?
We only do lewd pictures here Admintan.
>>1852763
What are you going do when you want to ask something or talk about images on the thread?
Like who is she? who is the illustrator or animator?
I come here to browse and post pictures, not so much discuss /e/ culture
>>1852764
Usually it's asking for the source of the image, or discussing works by the author. The only mostly text based threads are about games like K-Kisekai and ENF threads.
>>1852765
When you browse, don't you have any questions or requests?
>>1852764
Eh, there are threads asking for recommendations occasionally, but mostly if we are having discussions here, we are discussing porn. What kind of porn we like, why we like it, that sort of thing.
There are some threads for writefagging and quests too, though they don't seem to be popular.
>>1852764
That's what /r/ is for. /e/ is just for lewd pictures.
>>1852768
I'm pretty sure that's what /r/ is for. /e/ is just for lewd pictures.
>>1852768
Requests go in /r/ unless OP makes with the content. As the sticky says, at least 6 images to not be considered an /r/ thread, and generally more if one wants to actually have the request answered.
We also tend to be kind of dicks about source requests, as 9 times out of 10, you can just hit the image search button built into 4chan interface and get a source instantly.
>>1852768
Requests not really
If I have questions, personally I try to find out myself with tools I have access to, which help identify where images are from.
I wouldn't mind discussing about h-doujin or sadpanda here.
>>1852774
We have /h/ for that though. I think we've had /e/doujin threads when relevent.
>>1852774
Eh... Sadpanda ain't fun to talk about. It feels like it always turns into a discussion of "how do I get past sad panda" and "google it and fuck off loser".
>>1852771
it seems /r/ is more like /b/
>>1852773
Why don't you just ask the guy around in /e/?
>>1852779
Yeah
I actually don't like going there because it's filled up with 3d
>>1852779
Pretty much, yeah. People go to /r/ with their leech requests, and then largely do not answer the requests of others. But if we didn't have /r/ to contain that bullshit, every board would be flooded with it.
So really, we have /r/ for the same reason we have /mlp/ and /pol/.
>>1852780
Because reverse image search is faster and generally incapable of being a dick about it. Personally, I do the quick search any time I think of answering a question, and if it gives me the answer they should have gotten, I tell them to piss off.
If people can't be bothered to do 10 seconds worth of research, they don't deserve civil answers.
>>1852780
It's only when the internet can't find a source when you ask.
It's faster to do a query than it is to rely on fellow anons.
Plus the booru gives instant access to (if image is tagged appropriately) images with the same characters / series
>>1852780
Now, I recognize that the quick search doesn't always give a result. If I know what the answer is, and a quick search gives something like pic related, it's reasonable to give a straight answer because they've probably tried the easy research.
>>1852788
You won't find thst image on an anime booru mate
Use google or something
>>1852791
If I cared where he got his camel, I probably would.
>>1852788
It's useful.
Thanks!
http://iqdb.org/
>>1852792
Yeah,
It's just annoying seeing people using a tool for the wrong job
I thought some of you guys hate discussion or something like that.
But it isn't..
I think that people had, and still have somewhat, the impression that if you tried to have a discussion thread on /e/ you would get banned. But that's definitely not true. Same goes for /h/.
>>1852798
Well, if you wanna see what discussion looks like around here... we do have a couple of general threads.
>>1844671
>>1849310
There's usually more chatter than pics in those, and they serve a purpose without bothering most people.
And then on the other side, we have saints like this guy, who just dump a steady stream of quality images.
>>1849675
>>1852805
I wonder if they're script posting,
Regardless, It's generally thanked across the board
>>1852805
Thanks.
These thread are alive. but some people think to get banned for a discussion thread.
it's strange.
>>1852808
Slower boards like the porn boards tend to be image-focused as discussion isn't as captivating when there are so few people to respond. There's little incentive to respond quickly because the thread isn't going anywhere. Of course, not every slow board is a porn board or suffers from lack of quality discussion.
There's nothing stopping anyone here from posting more thoughtful, text-based posts about the thread topic, but the focus has always been on pictures. If you want to discuss characters or series in more depth, you should stick to >>>/a/ or possibly >>>/jp/
>>1852780
why make a human work when a computer can do it?
>>1852808
/e/ is not for discussing currently airing anime though. That's /a/.
>>1852780
Because handing a man a fish feeds him for a day, but teaching him to fish feeds him for a lifetime.
>>1852798
/e/ is slow. it's simply not good for discussions. a fast discussion thread would quickly hit the image limit and then not get pruned for days. if people make a new one while the old one hasn't fallen off the board then it would take up too much space.
It's just a large mismatch in speed between dump boards and discussion boards.
>>1852808
On some boards, you can be banned for a discussion-only thread. I haven't seen it happen on /e/. It isn't really a problem here. But anyway, it's good to have plenty of pictures in a thread and doesn't really get in the way of discussion.
Discussion of ecchi can be on /e/ but the main purpose is only to enjoy cute things.
>>1852816
I don't see why we can't. I remember we discussed manyuu hikenchou way back when it was currently airing. I don't see why we can't discuss currently airing ecchi anime. Valkyrie Drive doesn't really work because there's too much yuri but anything else should be fine.
>>1852821
We can, it's just not the primary purpose of the board.
>>1852821
1. /e/ is mostly for porndumps without men
2. /e/ is way too slow
3. You shouldn't have to jump board to board to figure out where your anime is allowed to be talked about on. Special case exceptions are bullshit.
>>1852815
computer can't recommend images properly.
They just show us similarity.
>>1852817
poetic.
>>1852824
They're pretty accurate.
>>1852824
What kind of recommendation would you expect? We already have threads where people post something of a given topic or category.
>>1852825
>poetic
It's a common proverb in English.
>>1852822
I don't think a the "primary purpose" is relevant. Discussions of ecchi are allwowed. The board is
If it's an ecchi anime, it can be discussed on the ecchi board.
>>1852823
I'm not saying all discussion about it on 4chan should moved to /e/, I'm saying it can occur here regardless of the nature of /e/.
>>1852821
The issue is that we should be allowed to discuss it on /a/ without a mod having to babysit the thread because we want to talk about an ecchi series, which will of course involve posting images from it. I don't know how /e/ works, but it's a huge pain in the ass to have to seclude yourself to slower boards because if X reason.
>>1852824
Yeah, but mostly of the images posted here are taken from others websites, and these other websites organize photos by artist, series, character name, and etc.
So if you can find the image in another website you can find many other similar stuff.
Take for example Danbooru, one of the sites iqdb normally redirects.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2152626
Here you can see the series, the character name and the artist and can find similar images with one single click, get it?
Also, if we all said the source of the image all the time, the threads would be 2/3 of people asking and giving the source.
>>1852824
Most boards on 4chan prefer to avoid recommending since threads and boards can easily become overrun with people asking for recommendations.
>>1852824
it works most of the time. there are also other things
>google image search
>archives for various boards that can show old posts with the same images and discussion about the image
>filenames
It's easy to find the source for many things. Only when all that fails you should ask a human, because you're otherwise always dependent on another person spoonfeeding you.
Adults should feed themselves.
>>1852825
すみません、/a/の声優スレで質問聞いた。できれば返事してくれないか?
Hiroyuki, I participated in the discussion on /aa/ but do not want to bring the discussion to another board.
Do you accept emails? Do you visit IRC channels? Is it possible to discuss features with you? Earlier this day you said that you wanted a middleman for matters, maybe you need a different channel to talk?
It's better to talk over things this way instead of relying on vague one-line posts people post.
While I'm normally against dividing up boards, /r/ might be one of the few that would benifit from it, especially with how it's designed and for the most part, it's a giant crap shot to get an answer.
For the most part when it comes to anime and manga images, you should be able to find them using IGDB.org (a Multi-service image search) or reverse image search from google, or archives (I still think they're a mistake, but they are useful for this.). However there will images that fall through the cracks or get cropped by someone else so those programs can not identify where it is from.
So do you just throw yourselves to the wolves of /r/ which is mainly for 3D requests and they only answer the more obvious ones?
A good idea might be just to make a specific thread for requests, but make sure that anyone who makes requests follows VERY SPECIFIC guidelines and a flow chart before posting there.
Eh, I'm just babbling, but a lot of fine tuning needs to be done to get things semi functional. Especially with how retarded the last few generation of posters have been.
>>1852762
Read the sticky:
/e/cchi is for:
- Pictures of animu girls featuring either sexy clothing or nudity without sex.
- Masturbation and suggestive touching pictures are allowed as long as it's one girl doing it to herself without use of toys.
What part of discuss anime falls in those two permitted options?
>>1852838
I agree with you.
/r/ could be a really neat board but it's so filled with porn it just doesn't work.
A SFW /r/ could be good, but it still wouldn't solve this problem of getting sauce on H-manga and doujin.
It really needs some change.
>>1852838
Just keep /r/ as it is and have an unlisted board called /ra/ and it can be for Anime-related requests.
>>1852839
Some newfag mod is trying to convince Hiro to ban series like Valkyrie Drive and To Love Ru from /a/ and put move discussion to /u/ and/or /e/.
>>1852779
I'm probably late to voice my opinion, but /r/ really sucks. You almost never get what you want. I've been coming here since 2007 and every thread I posted there never got a reply. I'm sure there was a purpose for it back then, but it seems like there has to be a better solution
>>1852779
yes, we need SFW /r/. Nobody is against this idea. Please, would you do it?
>>1852824
In 4chan we don't like people who feel too comfortable, for two reasons:
- Comfort leads to laziness. We prefer that people learn to do things by themselves so they don't make lots of posts asking stupid questions.
- If new people are very comfortable, they stay and make posts. In every board we want new people to be respectful, and to learn about the board before posting, so their opinions are at least *informed*.
If you are asking someone else only because it's easier, we won't answer you. (for example, "what anime should I watch?" --> "lurk and decide for yourself, faggot")
If you want to know about general information, we will tell you to find it by yourself (for example "Who bought 4chan?" --> "just google it, you useless idiot")
If you want an explanation on a controversial subject, that is the kind of thing that you can't read from Wikipedia, then we answer you, but we don't like it if you make a thread only for that (for example, you can ask about what happened with Gamergate on a thread, but if you make a thread for it you'll get insulted for wasting space)
If you are having a conversation, and you ask things, people will answer you without thinking, because you are not just a random idiot who dropped by just to ask a stupid question
Now that the bullshit questions are out of they way time for the important questions.
What's your primary fetish Hiro-tan?
>>1852845
May I ask what your requests were?
>>1852845
I haven't posted much on /r/ but the one time I requested something, I helped out several other people while waiting and in the end someone just called me a faggot before my thread died.
>>1852839
While we're talking about the state of /e/, I'd like to point out that you should allowing groping as long as it's not sexual in nature.
I remember doing an screenshot dump of maken-ki here for a guy who asked for it on /a/ and five minutes after posting this scene I get a ban, and then the mods goes to write I have no excuse for posting it because it was /u/ content. That mod was one of the main reasons I stopped posting in /e/.
>>1852848
n-no
>>1852846
it makes sense. thanks.
>>1852779
/r/ is garbage but it still has its purpose.
>>1852852
Are you familiar with "ayy lmao"?
>>1852846
SFW /r/ should be Anime /r/ really since a majority of the requests are going to be about harder to find doujins and artists and you're going to condemn those to rot among the usual 3D porn requests.
It is also better for specializing the boards for people who do actually respond to requests since the line between anime and organic is pretty established.
>>1852848
examples of SFW requests that are impossible to get on /r/:
>A cartoon from your childhood that you vagely remember.
>Knowing what song was used in a commercial
>Getting the source on information or news that you vagely remember (like a story about a man drilling his own head in Afganistan)
We post those on /co/ and /mu/, but it is not ideal
An example:
>"What was that webpage that was a nightmarish hell? I think it was about clothes, but I cannot remember..."
>Do you mean yvettesbridalformal? http://yvettesbridalformal.p1r8.net/
>oh yes! it was dresses, not cloth! No wonder I could never google it! thanks, fellow 4channer!
>>1852855
And an anime /r/ would likely be slow enough that you could actually get your request answered by someone who doesn't only browse /r/.
>>1852855
An easier solution would just be making a general on /r/ for anime-only related stuff or something rather than a whole new board. Same for other SFW shit.
>>1852852
Hey hiro, I've been watching you try to take an active role in the administration and can see you want ti learn more about the site, and I wanted to thank you.
Also, while we are at it, the mods over at /a/ have generally been good, it's not their fault /a/ has a tendency to flip their shit when the status quo is felt to be broken, please don't be hard on them for the recent conmotion over SFW (long standing /a/ moderation that is, new people are definitely stupid if involved)
>>1852848
I don't even remember, I just know I stopped going there years ago because of how unreliable it was. Might be different now for all I know
>>1852859
Shut up. I don't know whether or not you're trying to manipulate Hiro-tan, but you're not telling the truth either way. Ever since it was created, /a/ has been exempt from Global Rule #5. The only people who got banned for violating it were posting straight-up hentai.
Hiro, can you ban generals on /a/ again? We had a mod come in and say that all generals would be purged by 2015. They're low quality "discussion" that basically act as permanent communities which goes against 4chans theme of ephemerality. Nothing can have quality discussion is it's discussed 24/7.
>>1852856
>That website
>It's actually many, many pages
What the fuck, man.
>>1852864
most likely someone turned down payment for a yahoo page-maker web
But this other guy is a legit schizo:
http://www.timecube.com/
>>1852860
>>1852858
>>1852857
I might suggest that you create several stickied threads in /r/ that are specifically geared towards more popular topics. (Who is this actress/model, X-ray request, etc) But also keep it heavily moderated so they don't turn into a circle jerk like most generals. (Add in a bi-rule that you can't be a complete asshole to request that have already exhausted normal search procedures before requesting. And finally, ban off topic discussions while also pushing people who want to talk about a specific thing to the correct board.
It will require some baby sitting, but it would help clean up /r/ greatly. Although lurking and research as to what topics merit their own stickies will need to be done.
>>1852862
Also this, the will of the people trumps what a mod wants to do. Look up the lolicaust, where the community of /a/ and trolls who said community hated actually joined forces to fight new policies that were unilaterally installed by a corrupt moderator.
>>1852859
This is by far incorrect and I wish the archive was still up so that I could prove it to Hiro. I was browsing through old Queens Blade threads right before it went down, and nothing was deleted. They were far lewder than the Webm the mod posted, and he's crazy if he thinks that he isn't changing the status quo.
>>1852867
Waste mod time on a shit board like /r/.
What a great idea.
>>1852868
Desustorage.
>>1852865
>I've been an ONEist my whole life and didn't know
I must find the truth in the belly-button.
>>1852843
Yeah, that'd be retarded. Discussion isn't bad, but splitting /d/ into /aco/ was bad enough without also kicking /a/ posters into the porn boards.
>>1852869
I you want to keep things orderly, things need to be maintained. Or do you think the current clusterfuck that is /r/ is satisfactory? Because splitting /r/ into either the old /r/ and a SWF or Anime /r/ board does not deal with the fundamental problems of overlapping requests that stymie the boards.
[spoiler]Also these people work for hot pockets, you make it sound like their time is valuable.[/spoiler]
>>1852878
I think that /r/ isn't worth bothering with.
>>1852856
>clothes
>cloth
This always seems to stump English learners...
>>1852878
As terrible it might sound, /r/ could be fixed with general threads.
>Image edit general
>Bubble edit general
>JAV request general
>Anime request general
>>1852872
It doesn't have anything between February 3rd 2008 and June 2015
>>1852882
Then it's a good thing you aren't in charge of anything here.
>>1852887
That's what I'm saying. In it's natural state, Generals tend to produce circle jerks and cancer, but seeing as there is going to be a high turnover rate in the type of poster, and as long as the people who actually fulfill requests don't turn it into a circle jerk. (Using a janitor to keep it under control.) They can be utilized to clean up the board.
You could probably just create a Safe For Work general thread within /r/ and remove the need to have a seperate board all together if it's done right.
>>1852889
You're a retard.
>>1852884
not "stump", just a very, very recurring mistake. Language molds the mind. The mind in turn is the mold for the way we speak. It doesn't come natural to think as cloth and clothes as two different words, just like Russians will usually forget articles despite perfectly knowing they go there, because they don't even feel their absence
>>1852891
Good job pointing out your precise flaws of the idea and then explaining a better way to deal with the problem there champ.
/r/ also needs to learn how to thank.
They almost never thank you.
Being as Hiroyuki stopped posting over an hour ago and this is becoming just another /qa/ thread, it's probably safe to stop paying attention.
>>1852898
I'd like to take this opportunity to remind anyone who does remain here to sage their posts, since this is a meta thread which has served its purpose.
>>1852801
On /h/ there's a lot of discussion that goes on, it's not just imagedumps.
Except for the liru threads the fucking mods banned. That was completely uncalled for.
pls make a history board
>>1852868
The archive is, to an extent, back up: desustorage.org .
>>1852913
this was the best I could do, i'm so sorry
>>1852910
>liru threads the fucking mods banned
Wait, what? I mostly stay on /d/, but why the fuck did they ban Liru threads?
>>1852930
Furry, I guess.
![image[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/BcWmvKW.png "image[1].png")
>>1852854
Hello.
I like the image focus of this board and I do kind of like the slowness of it as there tends to be more quality since people are more cautious of what to post
![[Evil-Saizen]_Laughing_Salesman_17_[DVD][10bit][9BD7A85E].mkv_snapshot_07.02_[2014.12.11_18.06.20].png](https://i.imgur.com/p7vAvCe.png "[Evil-Saizen]_Laughing_Salesman_17_[DVD][10bit][9BD7A85E].mkv_snapshot_07.02_[2014.12.11_18.06.20].png")
Answer the questions Hiroyuki!
>>1852991
Anything more you want us to answer?
>>1853007
I got to go to an airport, now.
>>1853010
have a safe flight hiroyuki
Was the flat chest thread deleted after all?
>>1853013
You guys can't even have a loli-less DFC thread? That's kind of depressing.
>>1853010
Well don't go missing before fixing 4chan, okay?
>>1853015
Which is why /a/ hates /e/. Shit board is shit.
>>1852801
I got banned on /h/ once for discussion, but that was years ago.
Also got banned on /r/ for linking source to a video because it was from Porn Hub. Again a long time ago.
>>1852762
Hiro you need to understand that /e/, /h/ and similar boards were made for porn (softcore or hardcore) dumps, so they don't drown discussion on /a/.
The people who come to these boards are looking for porn and there's a lot of people who aren't even interested in anime, just porn.
This is why these boards have a different culture than /a/
>>1852779
People don't want countless threads from new people asking for recommendations in the discussion boards (videogames on /v/, anime on /a/, etc) so boards either have a recommendation sticky, or they send people to /r/
/r/ is a containment board. A containment board is a board that covers a single topic that disturbs or floods the normal working of a board.
For example, years ago, My Little Pony cartoons were flooding the whole 4chan. So /mlp/ was made as a containment board, and all MLP posters sent there.
Usually people hate cutting a board into various ones, because it breaks the community, and also the smaller board usually gets low posts and stale content over time. One example is the /a/ - /jp/ split, it created a lot of problems and bitterness, and now /jp/ is kinda stale.
So:
- dividing boards: Must be done with a LOT of caution and thinking.
-creating containment boards: It is a response to issues with certain, concrete topics that don't fit in a normal board (something like a /celebrities/ board for youtubers and the likes would be nice to alleviate boards like /v/)
-creating new boards: Usually if there is community interest for it. Typically starts as trial boards.
>>1853010
Have a nice flight!
And always lurk more. Your new kingdom is wide, and very diverse, it's hard to understand all of it
senpai noticed us
>>1853035
He's not your senpai
>>1853032
I recommend you don't browse /e/ at airport.
>>1853040
Did you actually get caught browsing /e/ at an airport, holy shit.
>>1853040
Later dude. Thanks for coming by!
>>1853040
As long as you have your back to a wall, you can browse whatever you feel like.
>>1853046
The game there is to not get a visible boner
>>1853040
Made my night, thanks hiroyuki
Hey Hiro, just thought I'd bring this up here because it's a bit of a mess over on /a/, but why not have a nsfw tag for /a/?
Anything with from an episode of anime with tits and/or ass and/or fondling goes behind one of these.
Everything more explicit goes to /e/, /u/, /y/ or /h/.
>>1853048
NSFW tags with a ban on porn dumps might be the simplest solution, yes.
After all, the reason /a/ is NSFW is because of dumps, not because of it being disneyland.
Also the ones worried about browsing /a/ at work will be safe because of these NSFW spoiler tags. I'm ok with it.
>>1852784
and lgbt
>>1852991
Thank you for replying to me.
>>1852762
lonelyfags just come here to jerk off and get out.
>>1852930
>>1852931
Because its purpose was to have a place to discuss and wait for the Liru game. When the news got out that Seismic was putting the game on hiatus, the mod decided that it was time for the threads to have a break. So don't actually use the word 'banned', Liru threads may and will pop up again when more news about the game comes out.
>>1853040
Never change, Hiro.
>>1852762
Because the sticky on here mentions that /e/ is pretty much only for pictures, which in my opinion is a shame because /e/ discussion threads wouldn't hurt at all.
>>1852801
Sued to be true on /h/ tho' but that was many years ago
>>1853103
>when more news about the game comes out.
Never ever.
>>1852852
Be aware that different boards have different opinions on the subject
/co/ will happily answer requests
>>1852863
I keep suggesting "generals" be once-per-week affairs like some on /tg/ (e.g., TES), but they want to keep forcing maymays and otherwise wiping themselves down with each other's shit.
>>1852824
Personally I don't really have an issue with someone asking for an artist name or something. The problem arises when people make new threads just to ask for source on an image because it kills another thread.
>>1853353
But some threads, especially gif/webm threads, tend to get filled up with 50% or more sauce requests, which just isn't acceptable.
>>1853048
I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
Some anons say you can't discuss in a NSFW board.
So, I have lurked on /e/ and /h/ which are NSFW anime board.
There are less discussion here.
That's why I asked a question in this thread.
There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
So, I can't still decide yet.
>>1853372
Hiro just remove the mod that is trying to change /a/ and everything will go back to normal.
>>1853372
That's probably for the best, /a/ is a mess right now and no-one will object to a NSFW tag because its not harming anyone
>>1853372
That is perfectly reasonable.
/a/ is for discussing anime.
/e/ and /h/ are for posting images.
>>1852780
If you endorse spoonfeeding you'll attract all sorts of idiots who can't do anything by themselves.
Having some standards when it comes to asking for source keeps the posting quality "high".
>>1853372
I support this idea.
>>1853372
Hiro, fire the mod that is going rogue.
He has been banning poeple left and right after we discussed what to do with /a/.
>>1853372
NSFW tag would be amazing Hiro
You said yourself that TLR should be able to be discussed as long as it's art by Yabuki.
I know you read TLR Hiro, if you make a NSFW tag you can come to the threads and discuss it with us.
>>1853372
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
Not at all. The only reason /e/ and /h/ don't have much discussion is because /e/ and /h/ are image dump boards. We don't care much for it.
Also, fire that mod who brought up the sticky. He is the one who caused all this unnecessary drama.
>>1853372
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
That depends on the board, Hiro. I believe this smaller amount of discussion on /e/, /h/ and so on is more thanks to a long-standing tradition; making /a/ itself NSFW should not cut the amount of discussion in there.
I'm completely in favor of adding a NSFW tag in there as well.
>>1853372
Just also ban porn dumps on /a/
>>1853372
That would be fine, but whatever you do, don't forget to fire that stupid mod.
>>1853372
The NSFW tag seems like a good idea, but the bigger problem is that things like this weren't an issue to begin before. Series like Queens Blade, Qwaser, and KissxSis had the same kind of content, but weren't deleted.
Also, can you please allow SFW loli threads on /a/ "again"? For some reason the mod keeps deleting/autosaging them.
>>1853372
Do you know about "Baneposting"? If you don't I recommend you make a thread on /tv/ asking them about it. It is a very important part of 4chan culture. It was one of moot's final words.
>>1853372
Well, it's up to you to decide that, but I think it would be great to haven an NSFW tag on /a/.
>>1853372
Hiro, after you left from /a/ the other day this happened:
>>>/a/132416116
He later deleted the thread when he saw everyone was telling him how wrong he was.
He is obviously no fit to be a mod. He doesnt understand the boards comunity
>>1853372
This is pretty much how /a/ was up until recently when that mod ran amok.
Though the NSFW tag would be a welcome change, it's implementation needs to be well planned. For example, I'd love to have a "Show R18 images" switch and then I don't have to click each and every picture in a VD thread for example.
>>1853372
I like this solution. Just be certain that it's stated clearly, in writing, that porn dumps and hentai (such that would be posted on /h/) are still not allowed.
It could be implemented as a trial thing, and repealed if it ends up being abused.
>>1853372
>There is possibility making /a/ with NSFW tag cause that you can't discuss anime anymore.
The difference is that /a/ is intended to be an anime discussion board, while /e/ and /h/ are boards for dumping. As long as the content directly comes from official anime/manga and actually pertains to the discussion, it shouldn't cause any problem with board quality.
>>1853393
the problem was it was never concrete, so sure some mods understood the informal policy of stuff from TV airings is fine, but when newfag moderators or mods who have little /a/ knowledge blunder in and start handing out bans, people whip into a frenzy
A tag would be an easy fix
>>1853372
Adding the NSFW tag, and changing the NSFW rule to dumps or 3D NSFW content would be the best.
And kick that damn mod, and troid and redwood too.
>>1853393
There's a thread going on currently that's mostly unharmed, and a helpful janitor even went there and cleaned it of shitposting. I agree that whoever keeps deleting them should stop, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same mod who caused the whole nipple debate in first place.
>>1853372
The NSFW tag sounds good, but can the dicks still be not allowed, not even with that tag?
>>1853372
Whatever you do you need to punish or remove the mod who ignored what you said and ignored the entire board and started making history up.
>>1853400
It was concrete enough for threads like TLR and DxD to have no problems for years on end. New mod doesn't even know what TLR is.
>>1853372
4chan is in desperate need of rehiring of mods. Please consider.
>>1853399
>actually pertains to the discussion
This is the very important part. This needs to be mutually understood so that there's no confusion between the moderators and ANY user.
Even if a few anons in this thread understand the purpose here clearly, there's no guarantee that every user on /a/ will, or that users won't come to /a/ specifically to abuse the nsfw tag wherever possible.
There needs to be a rule that's in writing, in clearly, unambiguous language in the rules section that explicates this clause. Because you just know that some insular general circlejerk is going to try and abuse the tag to dump OC porn and claim it's alright because it';s tagged properly.
>>1853372
Your idea is fine but the mods are out of control.
>>1853372
In my opinion the situation on /a/ was great before the mod went rampant.
Nudity and lewdness is okay when people discuss normal anime and manga. It would be harmful to forcefully divide discussion across several boards.
No porn dumps on /a/ that stuff belongs to /h/, /d/ etc.
>>1853372
Does /a/ even need the nsfw tag? Nobody has a problem with lewd images/tits from anime and manga there. It's only that retarded mod.
>>1853399
>As long as the content directly comes from official anime/manga and actually pertains to the discussion
I'd personally let it to allow all tagged NSFW if it is thread-related.
Sometimes a non-official lewd comes on topic, and needing to censor those for no good reason with the tag would be silly.
>>1853393
I think that issue lied in the way the rules have been traditionally written and understood. That is to say, they've been too open to interpretation, to the extent that any 2 moderators looking at the same content will judge it radically differently.
Clarifying the rules as they apply to /a/ is important so we can avoid instances like this in the future, where a mod obviously unfamiliar with how things have been tries to come in and claim how things ought to be.
>>1853410
Even before that there were a few random deletions of nipples, look at the first week of VD and Shimoneta's last episode for example. Usually they stopped after someone brought that mod post from 2013 up.
>>1853408
I'm not sure 4chan is a place where you need rules that must be followed to the letter.
As you see, even though it was a SFW board, there was a nice status-quo till recently.
If you have capable mods you don't really need to regulate everything.
>>1853372
/e/ and /h/ are purely for image dumping so people can browse images without walls of text interrupting them fapping/collecting images. Nothing needed to be changed for /a/ in this regard. The mod who put up that sticky needs to be blocked from even touching /a/.
Why not just make /a/ NSFW but ban/restrict pure image dumps?
Though, many years ago, I do remember good dump threads but that's a gone era
>>1853411
There's a lot of people who browse /a/. Not all of them post at all, or would go out of their way to complain openly about something like that which they don't think is sfw and wouldn't want to see on an, ostensibly, sfw board.
However, that doesn't mean they don't submit feedback about it, or email admins or whine on IRC or something where the people they are complaining about can't see and retaliate.
>>1853414
Totally forget about those. Unwritten rules should definitely be clarified so there is no ambiguity.
>>1853404
>sex scenes from Seikon no Qwaser
I think I'll never stop giggling at this.
>>1853417
It's not gone as long as people remember it. Everything can be revived. Have faith.
>>1853414
Shimoneta, yes, but VD was fine up until a few days prior to the sticky, when every single webm or pic of even a glimpse of a nipple was deleted followed by the poster being banned.
Here's the start of it http://desustorage.org/a/thread/132371569/#132380619
>>1853417
Making /a/ fully nsfw invites content from /h/ over, making /h/ a redundant board but also filling /a/ with porn. It doesn't have to be dumped to still generate an overwhelming and obstructive presence.
>>1853415
>If you have capable mods
Uh, about that...
>>1853420
Do I remember wrong or didn't the nun chick get fucked in a dream sequence in season 1? Also eating loli pussy
>>1853424
That was my point.
But /a/ moderation, apart from the recent retardedness and some rare fuckups, is usually ok.
>>1853372
I already responded to you Hiro but I wanted to expand on the issue.
The mod went crazy and started banning people for things that up until a few days ago were alright to post.
In retaliation, anons begun posting bannable stuff in protest and the result is retty much what you expect, more banned people.
/a/ is a mess right now because of the mod.
>>1853423
Not if it's anime only and you don't allow image dumps.
>>1853419
>Unwritten rules should definitely be clarified
I hate the very concept doing of that. Mods shouldn't be so new as to need obvious things clarified.
>>>/a/132515932
The mod is trying to hide all indications of his blunder.
>>1853426
>some rare fuckups
More like recurrent.
>>1853423
>Making /a/ fully nsfw invites content from /h/ over, making /h/ a redundant board but also filling /a/ with porn.
That's why there would also be a rule forbidding actual porn from being posted in there, as most people agreed a few days ago. Even /s4s/ has a rule against porn dumps.
>>1853425
>Do I remember wrong or didn't the nun chick get fucked in a dream sequence in season 1?
I don't remember anything like that.
>Also eating loli pussy
That Hana eating out Katja scene could even pass on a Christian TV channel in America.
>>1853423
If it has to be anime-related, I'm not sure H would be invited too much.
>>1853430
He does this, yet he still deletes anything slightly nsfw
Whats his endgame?
>>1853426
It's fine except when some new mod takes it upon themselves to go to a board they're unfamiliar with and try to change things. It happens like once every year or so on /a/.
>>1853372
Just leave this as the rules for /a/ and don't bother having mods like the one who put up that sticky to touch the said rules.
>>1853423
But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while.
>>1853429
I don't like it either, but newfag mods are a thing, and hardly uncommon too. Clarification of unwritten rules, while undesirable, is necessary.
I'll just treat it as some disgusting medicine that works.
>>1853415
The problem, as we can see here, is that you can't always depend on the mods being competent or on being amicable to your board. Misinterpreted, ambiguously worded rules, or those whose wording is out of date with its application in practice, can be a tool used to actively disrupt a board, impose your own ideas on it and otherwise just shit things up.
It's preferable in general is the wording of the rules explicitly outlines in mutually understood language exactly what cases the rule may and may not be applied. That way, you limit cases of anons being banned because a mod understands the rules in a way differently than it's normally understood and applied, or being banned because their understanding doesn't align with how it is normally understood and applied. You also depend much less on the individual judgement of moderators to address cases of word-twisting or deliberate attempts to exploit the rule.
Misunderstandings, miscommunication (or a total lack thereof) and divergent interpretations of the writ and intent of the rules as well as the application of the rules historically, are the largest source of conflict and contention between /a/'s users and its moderators.
Being accountable to a mutually agreed upon written compromise is preferable to depending on the incidental benevolence of whichever mod is viewing the board at the time.
>>1853436
Considering that /a/ is quite big, I'd even go as far as once a year a fuckup is excusable. That is, if the mod settles down and actually learns the board culture, unlike this recent cunt.
>>1853437
Don't forget the addendum from 4 days later.
>>1853439
You're a lawyer, right?
>>1853438
>But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while
I'm here because this thread was linked on /a/. I don't actually browse /e/, so I would remain unchanged because it's still functionally a dump board and dumps are still not for /a/.
Did Hiro die?
>>1853433
I distinctly remember the yellow haired nun getting fucked in a flower field or something
>>1853438
>But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant?
No. /e/ is for imagedumping. /a/ is for discussion.
>>1853438
How many people are here just for /e/ or, god forbid, /h/? I bet it's only a couple, everyone else visits other boards as well.
>>1853444
I hope he is taking his time to read the earlier sticky made by nipplemod and decides to fire him.
>>>>1853444
He went to go read TLR.
>>1853440
See, but it's not usually a fuck-up. The people that have been doing this have an agenda to change 4chan to fit their personal vision of how it ought to be. These types of people are unfit for moderating 4chan. The job is to enforce rules and remove shitposting and off-topic, not to remodel the site however you want.
>>1853444
I think he's lurking while the 82 IPs in this thread hash things out.
>>1853438
>But with the NSFW tag on /a/, won't it make /e/ redundant? That's been bugging me for a while.
No. Unless you use /e/ you can't say you know what it's for. I come here to save images and fap. I go to /a/ to discuss anime and shitpost.
/e/ = for fapping
/a/ = for discussion
>>1853444
He's probably gone or is reading the thread. Give him time.
>>1853372
>I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
I just want to say, Hiro, that you should make sure to post about this on /a/ as well.
If this is a discussion that's going to be had about /a/, it should probably be had on /a/.
/e/ gets much less user traffic than /a/, so fewer fewer people will see this discussion or become involved in it. On /a/, there will be more people discussing it, and the discussion concerns /a/.
>>1853456
I remember him not even getting 5 minutes into the questions.
>>1853445
Shit, I rewatched S1 of Qwaser not too long ago and I can't remember any scene like that. You sure it wasn't in S2?
>>1853439
The thing about words is, anyone can misinterpret any word and fuck shit up just by having a different understanding of them. It's very hard to have something so clear that it can't be misunderstood. You could write anything and I could probably come up with a way to misunderstand it. Say we write new rules and 4chan exists 10 years from now, those rules would easily be misunderstood by the people fucking around then as well. Rules will always be exploited.
Many actual in real life laws from history don't even make sense anymore with how we interpret and understand them but are still floating around. If you ask me, it's very important that someone in charge take the time to understand board culture before they get trigger-happy.
>>1853461
That's one of the causes of this problem as well, that mod who's been fucking up with everything seems to believe that anything with the slightest appearance of a nipple counts as porn.
>>1853459
Looking at the wikipedia it might be episode 5? It was definitely in the first season because I didn't watch the second.
I've always thought /e/, /h/, /c/, and the likes are mostly for dumps and TL/discussion of very board specific things while /a/ Is general discussion without dumps dominating the board. Some sort of dump on /a/ Is ok as long as It doesn't get to the point of It taking over and turining Into a second /h/ or /c/.
To me japanese drawn media Is quite sexualized so some level of Indecency Is expected and there's also the fanart which Is In great part obscene but It's still part of the enjoyment of this medium so completely dissociating the porn from an anime and mango board seems to me like something completely Illogical.
>>1853372
>I'm thinking about have a nsfw tag for /a/
This could solve the immediate problem. However, you really need to use a heavy hand to talk with the moderators to get them on the same page as you because I have a feeling that they will continue to issue bans and delete posts/threads regardless. People are currently (as recently as today) getting banned from /a/ for posting about Valkyrie Drive, Seikon no Qwaser, TLR, and other anime with nipples.
Clarification is essential because the moderation policy has changed DRAMATICALLY in just the past 7 years that I have been on 4chan. It has swung from one extreme to another, back again, and back again. There have been periods when NSFW image dumps of ero/loli manga on /a/ would go completely unpenalized SOMETIMES, and other periods when such images would go unpenalized as long as they were spoilered. There have been other times when any nipples at all would result in a ban, and there have been times when bluray nipples were fine to post unspoilered.
What makes it worse is that users have saved the posts of moderators who went public with their policies each time and will post screencaps of these posts to use as reference because, after all, what else do we have to do on? No one wants to get banned, but when moderators are doing things at odds with the official /a/ rules, we need to do our own research about what the "true rules" are. When a moderator comes in, saying that the "true rules" are no longer the rules, users get alienated and/or mutinous and the quality of the board goes down.
So, really, no one, users and moderators alike, knows exactly WHAT the true policy is anymore. Hence, why clarification from you is essential.
>>1853465
Eh, fuck it I'll probably rewatch it soon enough, just to get my fix of Katja.
In any case, the supposed sex scenes that the mod brings up are much more SFW than what you'd sometimes see nowadays on TV during daytime.
>>1853461
If you're talking about temporality, then rules should be periodically updated to reflect changing understanding of language and board culture, as well as to reflect changes in need.
For example, the language that the current nsfw rule is written in is clearly outdated. It could be updated to better reflect both the intent and application as it currently exists. Hell, looking through the rules page right now, /v/ still has a rule that makes reference to 'flamewars.' Who even uses that term anymore? I'll bet there are 18 year olds on /v/ right now that didn't use the internet back when 'flamewar' was a part of common web vernacular.
Keeping language current is important, especially on a website like this where language use can change so radically and so distinctly in such short amounts of time and for such short amounts of time.
And, I mean, to some extent everything can be twisted but it's plain for anybody to see if you try to twist the word "carrot" to mean "plate" that you're full of shit. Even the most deliberate and dubious shit-disturber has to operate within the commonly accepted understandings of either or both parties when they attempt to twist meanings with ill-intent. If you can't find safe and functional wording with which you can hold both parties accountable to, you just haven't tried hard enough.
>>1853372
By the way, I agree that this discussion should be had on /a/ and not here. I was directed here from a meta thread on /a/, which moderators DELETED soon after it was made because moderators are assholes who want to eradicate any threads not directly about a specific anime/manga.
This is another problem. On other boards, a wide variety of thread types are permitted, but on /a/, we are not even able to discuss the issues affecting our own board without catching a ban.
>>>/a/132515932
>>1853466
Why all that capital i?
>>1853471
Cause retarded bad habit.
>>1853469
Periodic updates would probably be best, but moderation should still put effort into understanding the boards. Have you seen how people are arguing over the word "porn" the last couple days? They're tossing out definitions left, right and center and still none of them are hitting the same understanding. It's pretty fucking ridiculous how people can twist words without going as extreme as "carrot means plate".
>>1853372
/a/ was worked fine for 12 years without any changes. People got upset because they couldn't post a few nude images from Valkyrie Drive. There's no big problem here that you need to fix with something like a NSFW tag.
>>1853466
This.
>>1853478
Please go back to /a/, people are trying to discuss something important in here.
>>1853478
TLR has been getting deletions and the mod called it porn.
>>1853478
>/a/ was worked
Go away.
>>1853478
No, it hasn't.
>>1853478
Fuck off.
Please fix /a/ before the next Valkyrie Drive episode is out.
Thanks.
>>1853476
That's because pornography is a poorly defined and ambiguous term. Usually, you need to qualify a word like that with a concrete definition that others can use and apply to clearly designate something as porn or not.
For example: "receives a rating from the relevant japanese rating bureau that passes a certain, specific threshold" is a concrete definition of pornography for the /a/-relevant context. You can easily and objectively verify whether or not something fits that definition with a few minutes on google, and from there choose whether or not to post it, or whether or not to ban it with the peace of mind that the reasons it is allowed or disallowed will be understood mutually on both sides of the divide. That's just an example.
Oh and in case you didn't notice, the mod deliberately used the word pornography because he was choosing to be ambiguous. He didn't want to use concrete or well-defined language that he could be held accountable to, and so chose a poorly-defined word that he could twist to his purposes and justify with "because I'm a mod, I can make these interpretations"
>>1853478
Mod is deleting stuff that has been posted on /a/ without any problems before. I was banned for posting a page from Prison School in PS thread.
>>1853488
>That's because pornography is a poorly defined and ambiguous term
No
>is it labeled as hentai?
>yes, it's not allowed
>no, it's allowed
>>1853489
>I was banned for posting a page from Prison School in PS thread.
Too far.
>>1853478
We need it to stop stupid mods from coming in and changing things. Stuff like Valkyrie Drive has been okay to post on /a/, not that you would know, /v/ermin.
>>1853372
Please Hiro-sama! Do that and you will save /a/.
Onegai!
>>1853490
Labeled by who?
>>1853478
The problem is that some mods clearly don't understand what they're doing.
>>1853494
The people who make it.
The people who air it.
The people who publish it.
>>1853490
Pornography is traditionally defined in the United States with the qualifier, "intended for titillation," but if you exclude anime or manga based on that, then you're going to make it very hard to discussion certain shows and manga, like TLR. Even Prisma Illya, which was harmless for most of its first season, had some extremely titillating scenes in its second and third seasons. Is Prisma Illya porn?
>>1853478
And yet shows like SnQ, DxD and shinmai were always perfectly fine. But after that fucking mod showed, suddenly they're not fine.
The idiot even wants to ban sadpanda threads. So please fuck off with that cunt.
>>1852762
あのですねヒロさん(こう呼んでいいんですかね?)、今のところでは4ちんを変えようとするなら変えるべきものは4ちんそのものじゃなくて、アノンたちがいく調子です。というと、彼らは今ヒロさんを騙そうとしているのです。「大騒ぎ行えば、彼は俺たちの催促に聞くはず」って思想。つまり、/a/や/e/などについての話は彼らの本音を隠す為の嘘なんです。その本音は、まあ、「何でも好きにさされたい」と言えば間違いじゃないのです。
私に聞けば、今こそはアノン達全員にヒロさんの主導権を見せるべきです。それは空気に流さずヒロさんこその決断を実現することです。本当に/a/をHのことばかりの所にさせるのですか?今でも/a/にはHの話は多すぎ、それと/e/などには活躍がない。/a/を赤ボードにさせれば、今の少ない平均がなくなるはず。それはよいと決めれば仕方ないが、そうじゃない場合はアノン達に聞く時間を終わらせて自分が正しいと思う行動を行うべくと思うのです。
失礼ところをすみません、私は見ての通り日本語が上手くないのです。
>>1853494
Japan, they have a good enough rating system and they're the ones who make this stuff so they should know what they're doing. The best I could find about it was some thread on MAL so I'll spare you the link.
>G - All Ages
>PG - Children
>PG-13 - Teens 13 or older
>R - 17+ recommended (violence & profanity)
>R+ - Mild Nudity (may also contain violence & profanity)
>Rx - Hentai (extreme sexual content/nudity)
MAL itself also adds that rating to the page of any (or most?) anime series, so finding out whether something is hentai or not should be easy.
>>1853500
I DON'T UNDERSTAND
>>1853496
And what if those 3 don't all say the same of a single work?
>>1853372
Make a NSFW tag/thumbnail that works like the spoiler one
Also ban the mod who posted the sticky, he's gone rogue and been ignoring you completely for the past few days, and been banning people just for posting nipples.
Hiro, please forget about the front page. The front page isn't an issue. It doesn't matter if there is porn on the front page of 4chan.
