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Stepfordization and housewives
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>>6800741
Bump
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>>6800762
holy shit, an incase comic that doesn't feature a chick with a dick, that's fucking rare.
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>>6800741
Guys, guys, if you're going to use any of my Stepford stuff in the OP, at least use this one. The other one just comes off as rushed. I should've added more line weight and colored it better.
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>>6800784
Bless you, sir.
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This is about the most prim and proper fetish I have ever seen.
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>>6800784
Usually not into Group sex but damn man, Its sorta nice you got to know the whole group for once. Gal looks like that gal who played Snow White in the Live Action Movie a few year back, too.
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Wow. I was not aware that "Stepford" was based on a book about women being turned into mindless, subservient housewife drones.
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>>6800784
lovely
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There's a good one
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>>6801774
There's literally two different major Hollywood movies based on it, one of which had Nicole Kidman.
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>>6801991
>one of which had Nicole Kidman

But that one didn't know whether to involve mind control or just replacing the women with machines.
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>>6802158
What's the differences really?

Mind-control is just a firmware update for the Brain OS.
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>>6801991
>There's literally two different major Hollywood movies based on it, one of which had Nicole Kidman.

... and another which was actually good
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>>6800741
Would love to see more of this fetish - surprisingly little of it out there
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>>6800784
>cuckshit
What a waste...
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>>6803267
Beggars can't be choosers.

If this thread is any indication, there's not much out there for this fetish.
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>>6801010
Sorry, Mr DNA, but TG stuff inherently sabotages the premise of turning a normal girl or woman into a docile little waifu. You may as well turn a dog or a couch into a stepford wife.
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>>6803267
I don't care about cuck stuff, when it fits. Like in slut or ganguro tfs. But it really has no place in stepfordisation. The woman in that sequence is just pretending.

>>6803306
>If this thread is any indication, there's not much out there for this fetish.

Distressingly so.
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>>6804179
why not turn a stepdford wife into a dog or a couch?
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>>6800784
That was AMAZING.
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Grill here. This a major fetish of mine, especially the submission part. While I might not normally like chores/baking, the idea of me being locked into being literally nothing more than a maid/means to producing a heir by society, law, and, quote on quote, "biology" makes me squirm with joy, especially if you loosen society's view on sex. An idea that especially turns me on is giving my ideal wife/husband foot massages and oral sex under the table, while they eat the home cooked meal that I spent a couple of hours making (but cannot have a single bite of myself), doing my best to keep my makeup from being spoiled by his/her fluids.

Also another major part that I like about it is the clothing/makeup itself. It basically screams "I'm weak and pathetic, both physically and mentally, and that the only thing I good for is pleasing my partner, which is also the only way I can obtain true happiness." It's in the similar way a slave collar denotes a slave. The frilly and feminine dresses, skirts, and aprons cause everyone who is not a fellow housewife to treat me like a child, who needs to be loved and protected, but also scolded and kept her place. When my partner would be a male, this would enforce a sexist view of women overall (which is another closely related fetish of mine...) However, when my master is a woman, it enforces that fact that I am pretty much a bitch as a person myself, making me more pathetic overall.


Also the one thread about this I saw on /aco/ was a fucking disaster full of alpha-cucks, so I'm glad it is back on /d/.
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>>6804454
>quote on quote
Dood. You're on the internet, you don't have to announce your quotes. We can see them.
(Bonered regardless. Why is this shit so hot and why did a whole generation get to live it out IRL but not us)
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This is so weird I like it
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>>6804473
T'bh it was only really a decade and a half (46-63), and the Victorian period before the 20's was NO FUN ALLOWED.

Let's keep it real here. Overall the 50's were shit by any non-hypocritical standard someone on 4chan would have, mainly revolving around censorship. Gay were literally depicted as evil by mainstream society, and sex even in a normal, heterosexual household very strict guidelines. Imagine all that I just said above, but you suddenly stripped all the sexiness (and almost all the sex) out of it, and actually thought that society should function that way.

tl;dr: The males in the 50's were absolute assholes who didn't know about the goldmine of sexiness they were sitting on (and could have enforced on my sex through Pavlovian conditioning...).
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>>6804569
I'm still waiting for zone tan drawed as a pure person, without any fetish included.
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>>6804577
>purity
That's my fetish.
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>>6804586
Purity is best fetish.
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>>6804595
That. That is my biggest fetish. I don't even know the name, just that's... Perfect.
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i know im the odd man out but i love tg with stepfordization. just love dat tg. anywhozzle a bit of content from a comish i got
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>>6804473
> Why is this shit so hot and why did a whole generation get to live it out IRL but not us
As is so often the case, the fantasy is better than the reality.

But I think it'd be a great scenario for a game.

In the game Another World (aka Out of This World in North America), a physics experiment gone awry results in the protagonist finding himself in an alien world where everything wants to kill him.

So how about one where the (female) protagonist finds herself in an alternate, Stepford-ized universe, where the 60s never happened. Materialising in Stepford in jeans and sneakers, our heroine finds the locals somewhat less than welcoming.
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>>6804454
>>6804502
Do you get to act out these fantasies or just fantasize about them?

When I can, I dress up in a frilly apron, maybe heels, and do chores I've been putting off. Then I'll masturbate when I'm done for being a "good girl". I'd prefer to do this at the command of a partner, but that's not currently an option.
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>>6804667
>tg with stepfordization.

To me, that's just it. Once you bring in the TG, it's not a stepford pic with TG. It's a TG pic with some other fetish thrown in. Kind of like futa.
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>>6804179
Shit, you're right. Here, this one's still better than the OP drawing. And I even took out the distracting text.
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>>6804929
While I mostly fantasize, I do act on them, but I haven't done it yet with a partner. It's really the only way I can force myself to do chores and usually put off said chores to the point they pile up pretty high. I take it a little bit farther though, with me dressing in fifty's clothing plus the apron, and even style my hair a bit and put a little makeup on, though nothing too serious; just some basic mascara, lipstick, and powder. Afterwards I generally get off to a dildo, sucking it and then riding it, footing in for pleasing my "sir".

I've been thinking about going full blown sometime, like going to get a large amount of groceries/clean supplies in full 50's housewife mode, both in style and hyper feminine mannerisms (with just a pinch of ditzyness for good measure). While I love the idea of it, both as a fantasy and as a sort of social experiment, I'm actually kinda afraid of doing it, because it might look like I'm merely doing it for the attention or shaming non-traditional housewives.
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Well this is a fetish I didn't know I had
Seemed stupid at first but seeing
>>6804929
>>6805034
talk about it made me realize I really like it
I suppose this is the natural way of things here on /d/ though
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>>6804907
>>6804502
>>6804454
I only think of this stuff in a horrific kind of way, but It's lovely to see lesbian ideas of it. I never really liked the fashion. my usual image of stepfordish conservative clothing is more japanese traditional house wife wear or french maid, sun dresses. etc.

The crazy kitch dresses and hair curles just aren't me.

I'd read a story about a teen dropped in that world even if they weren't gay. Extra points if they aren't an adult.
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>>6803267
That's not cuck it's cheating. Pretty sure cuckold is all about the husband knowing or witnessing the act.
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>>6805146
That's cuckoldry as a fetish. By the dictionary definition, if a man's wife is banging other men, then he is a cuckold whether he realizes it or not.
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>>6805126
Yeah, Japanese housewife hentai stuff is kind of like a 'modern' Stepford Wife deal--without the brainwashing or 50's time capsule clothes. I personally dig the 50's kitsch, but I also like the soft, gentle look of Japanese housewives with their subdued longer skirts, cozy cardigans, and loosely tied back hair... Wearing a full set of some sexy-as-HELL lingerie underneath, of course. The idea of a total housewife-next-door-plain-Jane secretly having fun with all sorts of kinky shit when her husband gets home.

Some housewives just exude that mature kind of sexiness you can only have access to with a wedding ring and a nice job to support her. I guess I kind of like it because of how rare it is to find people like that in this day and age--not a lot of women feel like they can enjoy being like that WHILE being respected as a woman.

Which sucks, because forcing someone to be a Perfect Wife against their will is awful IRL (we can dream in doujins at least) ...But to bitch out the girls who LIKE it, like they're setting back women 100 years just by enjoying life, is lame. Nothin' wrong with showing your love through that kinda hard work, appearance, and dedication if it's natural to ya.
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My fantasy has always involved a strong independent girl basically giving up her free will to be a perfect housewife in a perfect marriage.

Since I'm also into femdom, this also tends to involve scenes like the housewife doing some femdom stuff to, for example, the husband's secretary, at the husband's direction, because he likes to watch as well.
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>>You will never have the sacred blend of great personality, great job, hard work, charm, and absolute devotion to deserve a QT traditional housewife's love and generosity
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>>6805194
> Implying I don't want to be the QT traditional housewife
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>>6805126
Hey, that's perfectly fine. I love me some french maid uniforms and sun dresses too. I just happen to kitch dresses more.

Honestly, I really dislike the idea of a lesbian being put into that setting at all, especially if it is a historic continuation. The fiftys were horrible for gays, and I won't stand for it. Besides, stepford lesbians only really work in a social context where women are equal to men, as then the lipstick housewife is a walkover and overly gay, in both senses of the word, for her butch lover.

>>6805187
I kinda agree with this, but then again there are some "housewives" that aren't really into the entire 50's era, and just like making fancy baked goods all day while wearing frilly dresses, and then pretend to be the height of femininity on their blog, shaming everyone that doesn't want to be their fairy land view of a 50's housewife. As well, there is actual conservative women who hate themselves...
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>>6805204
>>6805194

>>I'll never be a QT traditional housewife because nobody wants to marry a trap in the real world who isn't an asshole or a creep or 'just going through a phase'/I probably don't deserve an A+ husbando anyway because my cooking is bad and I have a horrible personality

I hope every girl who dreams of being Ultimate Waifu can find someone who deserves them so they can fulfill their dreams together...
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>>6804973

Hey, I just want to say your art is rad and I'm happy you come here.
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>>6805214
Look, this board is for discussing sexual perversions, not sociology. Please stop bringing reality into it. You're starting to sound like one of those morons who just has to interrupt rape threads to point out that actual rape is bad
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>>6805214
for me the whole thing is awful. so why not go for maximum pain? I mean, what would expect a rebellious straight girl would feel anyway? theyre both pretty much forced into an unwinnable undesirable situation.

>butch
not really a fan, I prefer my tomgirls with long flowing hair even if girls can rock boys clothing. and yeah stepford lesbians only "work" as lesbians in modern society, but in this brutal scenario that doesn't seem the point.

I do love that super feminine scrapbooking and other cutsy things, even if kitch is awful to me. though I am not into it for the social scene as I stay away from creating my own blog.
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>>6805214
>As well, there is actual conservative women who hate themselves...
Oh fuck off. Seriously, just fuck off, you're not more enlightened than other women for liking these things 'ironically'. And you go on about all these 'blogs' as if 4chan gives a fuck what a blog says. You got problems with some bitch online, deal with them there, not here. We're not here for your clique clashing, we're here to fap.

And if that lesbian who always mucks up these threads with letting everyone know how much this triggers her is still here; go suck a dick already. I mean literally suck a dick and get this thirst out of your system. I don't care that this is horrifying to you or you really don't like how much you're shlicking to this or whatever motivates you to come to these threads and whinge and moan about your lesbianism not being compatible with all these penises everywhere. If I wanted to fap about being triggered and people's sexuality, I'd be on tumblr. Maybe you should be too.

Now everyone shut the hell up and post stepford pinups like this board isn't one giant gaggle of drama llamas.
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>>6805375
>>calls me and others triggered
woah calm down. there's plenty of image galleries on exhentai if you hate conversation and thought sharing with your schlicking. No one here is angry but you.
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>>6805296

Hey man, who decided sociology isn't involved with perversions? Unlike with rape threads, I don't see anyone saying that this fetish is bad and we should feel bad; we're just talking about the aspects we like, dislike, and fap over. The 'sociology' behind this fetish is what MAKES it interesting to me, because there's so many reasons you can be into it--from 'depraved fantasy mind control' to 'consensual roleplay in secret' and anything in between. To me, a woman being in control of the situation behind closed doors is what's hot about it. To others, it's brainwashed bimbo TF stuff. It's okay to talk about the differences as long as we don't bash others for liking their fap fodder, too.

>>6805375
M8, I'm POSITIVE there are at least a FEW conservative women who hate themselves, but this isn't about being 'enlightened,' it's just about being turned on. Please don't let some stranger's fetish threaten you. Just drown out shit you don't like with more content.

Where the hell do I find more of this art outside of google image search dregs of facebook-crap? I should just draw some of my own; I used to have a VN rolling around in my head about enslaved 'perfect wives' who were helping overthrow some overly complicated bullshit while enjoying a shitload of sex... I might have a few character designs to shart out if I get off me lazy ass.
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>>6805428
your VN sounds really interesting. Care to share any more thoughts you had on it?
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>>6805483
It was a little more about slavery than being wives, but a good deal of the characters did fall under that umbrella. You could pick from different kinds of absolutely submissive women (plus one trap), and eventually unearth the secret behind why they are 'purchased' that way.

Inevitably, you have to choose if you want to help them discover the truth to their industry alongside certain 'enlightened' girls, or stay a satisfied customer. The trick is that it's possible to have each character stay with you if you do help out, but only under certain circumstances--and certain girls are secretly willingly enslaved, or are okay with living the kinky life after all even if some are not.

Running out of relevant content to bump with to make up for irrelevant blather on my part (with wonderful file name, too)
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>>6805375
>your lesbianism not being compatible with all these penises everywhere

/d/ is probably the ONLY place it SHOULD be.
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My ex would beat me until I'd behave like a wife like this for him.
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>>6805811
Sounds hot. Now shut up and post stepford pics.
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>>6805323
Eh, I don't do a blog either. I was mostly just referring to a specific brand of image crafting asshole that I have seen people on 4chan defend before.

And by butch, I was referring to tom boys.

>>6805552
Hey that's a pretty cool VN anon, and yeah, we could always use more of this stuff. Something I haven't actually explored that much is the forced stepfordization aspect of it, and your post kinda interested me a little bit more into it.
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>>6804454
>>6804473
>>6804502
A few generations down the road people will cosplay this erotically the way they do other erotic costumes.
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>>6805214
>Honestly, I really dislike the idea of a lesbian being put into that setting at all, especially if it is a historic continuation. The fiftys were horrible for gays, and I won't stand for it. Besides, stepford lesbians only really work in a social context where women are equal to men, as then the lipstick housewife is a walkover and overly gay, in both senses of the word, for her butch lover.
If it is any consolation, as someone who into /rr/ (and/or /gfd/) threads I find the idea of becoming the "wife" to a woman who treats me like a stepford wife while she gets to be the "husband" as hot as the idea of me as the husband.

But then again, I tend to get the feeling that "switches" (to use a BDSM term) tend to be a minority when it comes to "role-based" fetishes.
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I honestly and sincerely don't understand this fetish. What's the appeal in it, REALLY. Not baiting, honestly asking.
After all, this is basically brainwashing/slavery wrapped in specific type of costume. Or am I missing something?
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>>6804454
>quote on quote

Is that anything like quote-unquote?
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>>6806523
>click here for HOT quote on quote action!
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>>6806515
It's a few different things to different people--some here say they like WILLINGLY getting into the Stepford mode, which kind of like reenacting the old-time social dynamics where women lived to serve, and with a pretty face and pleasant attitude, to boot.

Others, it's basically the book and movies come to life. They like the idea of a normal or slutty chick brainwashed into becoming a Stepford wife who exists to be their beloved partner--but not quite an equal.

Some it's just reverse-sluttification, where the idea of a girl going from slut to 'pure and modest' is hot to people who genuinely like the 'good girl' deal.

It's a form of brainwash and slavery, to an extent--it's being forced to be the Ultimate Wife rather than a standard sex slave. Since there ARE girls who do see this as ideal, I'm wary to call it slavery, but in the traditional sense, yeah--compared to modern day marriage expectations, the Stepford era was way more about women being docile, pretty 'servants' to their beloved men, while still looking classy enough for church instead of full-on French Maid pasties and thongs.

I'm just a random guy though (trapping aside) so actual women probably have different opinions, if they're into the fetish. TL;DR, it's complicated, but boils down to the same social aesthetic.
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>>6806501
CD anon here (feeling like an attention whore because so many posts); I like the idea of role reversal as well. It just depends on how creative you are with the scenario. Yeah, if this was LITERALLY the 1950s, it'd be shitty as hell for lesbians. But if this were just some fantasy world, or bizarre cult, or just roleplay in real life, I think it's possible for a little mixing it up.

I like the idea of a man forcing me to be a Stepford Wife and never reveal my gender, lest he be ostracized by all the conservatives. I also like the fantasy idea about mind-control cults of women who take other women (and maybe men) to become the perfect housewife.

It's not gonna be as common, but it's still fun to think about.
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>>6806515
> this is basically brainwashing/slavery wrapped in specific type of costume.
It's just a specific "scenario" for either brainwashing or slavery (if the slave's perspective matters, those two are polar opposites).

For some, the scenario has a particular attraction because of its plausibility. It wasn't very long ago that it was reality, and there's still a fairly sizeable minority that would like to make it so once more. In fact, there are environments where it still is reality, although it's somewhat easier to break free from.

The downside of plausibility is that some people can't avoid getting triggered and getting sidetracked into discussing how bad the reality is rather than how hot the concept is.
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>>6806605
>>cd anon
what is this?
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>>6806779
cross
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>>6806572
>>6806717
So basically very basic stuff in very specific "wrapping paper".

Meh
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>>6806605
>CD anon

Games are for playtime; whether I'll have you for breeding with the females is not your choice
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>>6806822
The fifties outfits aren't central; they're just a visual manifestation of the concept.

Basically, socially-accepted or even socially-enforced D/s.
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>>6802206
There is a difference when they confused the plot. It was assumed at first that all of the women (and one man) were replaced with machines. This is totally different from mind control because there's no original mind to control to begin with. They're just stepford machine copies of the originals. Then it turns out that they're really taking their brains out and putting them in the machines, which is stupid anyway since it would be a waste of time and power. And THEN it turned out that they were really just MC'd from the get go, which contradicts how some of the wives were more machine than human. That along with the presence of Matthew Broderick, and the boner killing Nicole Kidman, makes this a travesty to the fetish. At least "The Faculty" is a much better movie, but that's not saying much.
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>>6806822
Yeah, not everyone's cup of tea.

>>6806848
You wouldn't want my pathetic DNA in your gene pool, friend.
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>>6805126
> I'd read a story about a teen dropped in that world even if they weren't gay. Extra points if they aren't an adult.

If they aren't an adult, you don't really need the "alternate universe" stuff. Just have them shipped off to live with their evangelical aunt and uncle in the middle of the bible belt.
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>>6805428
>there are at least a FEW conservative women who hate themselves

Nah, self-loathing is a liberal/progressive/whatever the hell they call it now thing.
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>Be depressed trap and a 20-something working professional
>Near life-long depression and anxiety
>Feel like I have no agency in my life and I'm just working hard for the sake of keeping my head afloat, then I'll be old and die
>Always dress in blacks and neutrals
>My friends and co-worker regard me as a no-nonsense person (I'm not)
>Just to fatigued from dealing with clients and work culture and deadlines
>Just want to be bubbly and happy and cute housewife, doing domestic things and making a happy home for a loving master or mistress
>Have intense bimbofication fetish of the stepfordization variety (less trashy than a bimbo, more stylish and contemporarily sexy than a 50s housewife)
>Want to look like pic related
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>>6807266
You sound like the female version of me, Anon. It feels like being a cute wife like that would help ease the mental hurdles, but I also worry that if I pursue that sort of thing, those same illnesses would end up making my 'master/husband/whatever' unhappy.

I hope you can find someone who will value how happy you could make their home.

>> ;_;
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>>6807280

Well, thanks, though I am unfortunately just a trap and not a gril. So that's just an additional hurdle.
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>>6807140
that's stupid, in an abusive situation you can just run away and have connections easily. you can buy a ticket for a gray hound and just bounce, while reporting your parents as abusive. cell phones. internet. yes its possible to control these things but the feeling of helplessness and no where else to go is way higher when a person is dropped into an environment that literally traps them.

>>6807228
its a human thing
>>>/pol/
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>>6807449
This pic is what I want to be.
But my girlfriend wouldn't like me with a vagina...
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>>6806879
Ah yes; the horrible remake. There was another Stepford inspired movie (there have been quite a few) I saw back in the nineties; a horror movie (the Stepford Daughters, maybe?) where parents were stepfordising their teenage kids. It also confused the issue, where it was supposed to be a brain implant that mind controlled them, yet late in the movie there seems to be a suggestion that they're turned into cyborgs/replaced by robots instead.
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>>6808742
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>>6807266
>Be depressed trap and a 20-something working professional
>use 4chan as your blog

>>6807280
>trap
>female
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>>6800741
I've had this fetish for about as long as I can remember. Good to know there are others out there.

Anyone else been really turned on by housewives all their life? I can't really imagine what caused the association, it's not like I have any mommy issues.
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>>6808931
I know that my mom personally wasn't anything like a MILF or a classy dresser, but boy, was my one friend's mom ever. She always had those proper dresses and gorgeous long red hair, happy to help with absolutely everything, always busy but never impatient.

I didn't want her to be my mom, I wanted to have her like Stacy's Mom, more like it. Maybe your friends had some housewife moms that were either really hot, or really nice. But it's a little different than a standard MILF fetish, because it's more of liking the 'housewife' aspect of their lives.
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>>6808931
Dunno about turned on, but I've always had a soft spot for them. Vague admiration I suppose.
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>>6808947
Yeah in my case as soon as I learned to masturbate, I was jacking it to 50s housewife stuff. It feels bizarre to explain, it's like having an obsessive missionary sex fetish. Aggressively vanilla, so vanilla that it's weird. (Of course it's especially weird on /d/)

I actually learned about women being obsessed with stereotypical 50s domesticity long before I learned there were also dudes who got off on it.
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>>6807266

It's often been part of my tg desire, to be transformed and conditioned into being a loving housewife, possibly for someone who enjoys knowing who I once was.
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>>6806497
>A few generations down the road people will cosplay this erotically the way they do other erotic costumes.

Nigga, they already do.

>>6804667
>>6805204
>>6809918
Wrong thread: >>6801821
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>stepfordization thread
>nobody posts actual content, just vanilla western shit with 50s housewives
>bunch of transwomen whining and shitting it up, just like the TG threads
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/soc/
>>>/aco/
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>>6809938
Do you think people will ever have a millennial fetish. Like we'd all have hard ons for crop tops, yoga pants, uggs, and attention deficit disorder.
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>>6810064
This isn't so much about the clothing per se as the pre-60s social attitudes.
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>>6810007

It's here as a fetish. We're the fetish board.
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>>6800784


Lol, useless bitch.
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Not actually trans, but sorry for getting off topic with the trapping shit. Still can't find any decent porn, but here's an OK scenario from one of the TG threads as an attempt at getting back on track.
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Could this be classified as a sub-fetish under bimbofication?

also, does anyone have any good porn thats set in the 1950s? not made in, but set in?
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>>6810367
>Not actually trans

We don't care if you like to RP or not, m8.
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>>6810146
But what if pre-2020 social attitudes are fetishesized
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>>6800741
>Housewives are now a fetish
Back in the day etc.
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>>6805273
>nobody wants to marry a trap
get your shit together mang
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>>6811657
Well, how is society going to become even more degenerate?
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>>6811668
There's a strong chance Donald Trump is going to become the us president so who knows how much we will have lowered the bar by 2020?
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>>6811695
I mean implying Trump will make America more degenerate
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>>6810371
To me it's kind of like reverse-bimbofication; in a way.
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>>6810371
Stepfordization means different things to different people.

For some, it's about a woman turning into a willing sub/slave (either voluntarily or through some kind of external factor such as mind control or brain parasite). For others, it's about women being coerced or forced into the role (i.e. forced-feminization ... for women).

The 50s aspect can be just a reference point for either the nature of the transformation or the nature of the coercion, or it can add a clothing fetish (foundation garments, stockings, or just the general girly-ness) to the mix.
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>>6806879
>>6808742
>>6808745
There were a few points I liked of the new one but yeah, the robot clown fiesta ruins it.

Specifically, I liked (and let's pretend it's mind control/hypnosis):
- The twist with the old housewife being the mastermind (again, would have been better if she had mind controlled his husband) who wanted to create the perfect stepford society
- That the main character was able to blend (along with his husband) to prove a point and unravel the whole conspiracy
- While it was a bit hamfisted, I liked the homosexual variant. I had hoped to some degree it may be a foreshadowing for (some) guys being mindcontrolled. It was a nice for what it was, though I would have liked to then also have a lesbian variant (might have detracted too much though).

Then again, I can only imagine with a strange trainwreck fascination what would happen if /pol/ and tumblr decided to collaborate to make another new version now that combined and blended both of their "ideal societies" for another updated version.
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>>6811700
>I mean implying Trump will make America more degenerate
Well, to some degree I think that on that front President Trump might not be that bad, given how he recently basically replied to "have you ever had transsexual employees" and the whole NC bathroom laws to something along the lines of "I probably have transsexual employees but I don't know and honestly, it's none of my business".
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>>6811838
>it's none of my business
Of course, that'll go the way of "I don't see race" if we keep going this direction.
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>>6811903
>Of course, that'll go the way of "I don't see race" if we keep going this direction.
To be fair, that was less of a race and more of a drag race car vs nascar affair as far as Trump is concerned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

I'll see myself out before the thread derails.
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>>6812035
Hey kid, don't quit your day job.
You know, posting tentacle porn and all that.
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>>6811838
>>6811903
Trump will make america great again by putting bitches back in the kitchen, whether they're male or female.
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Thanks for awakening a fetish I didn't know I had, guys.
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>>6800762
>Unadulterated sammich-tier.
Goddamnit, this pane alone makes me so fucking hard.
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>>6811616
Holy shit I mentioned this comic in my history class. I thought it wasn't from searching "ww1 soldier comics" in gurgle images.
Help
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>>6811838
Based Don.
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Anyone know any good TG Stepfordization stories on fictionmania/tgstorytime or w/e? I'm shit at filtering those places.
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>>6801010
>>6804973
the op's better than either of these
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>>6817523
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, I guess. If I can find the original of the one in the OP, I'd love to retool it. I concede that as far as the Stepfordization theme goes, it's the best one, but the line weight really bothers me. It's probably gone, though. Mailed off to the OC's creator.
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>>6818110
>I concede that as far as the Stepfordization theme goes

Yep; rebellious teen into enterprising mom. Lovely stuff. The AP isn't so pronounced that it's distracting.

The other two are TG and AP focused pics that happen to have housewives at the end.
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>>6813565
/d/ is doing its job.
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Yesss.
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>>6822880
Full gallery:
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/882907/bd3c46a8bd/
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>>6800784
dirtuh hoe
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>>6804595
Sauce?
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>>6804454
>>6805034

Sounds a lot like my situation. With 50's styles being quite fashionable recently you could probably get away with getting the groceries, though, at least around here. I actually did "Stepford wife" for Halloween, since it counts as a horror movie. You just need to throw in the occasional glazed smile whilst you enjoy yourself.

My main domestic fantasy is meeting my partner/husband at the door, all dolled up in full 50's dress. He settles down to his loving crafted dinner as I click around the kitchen in heels, giving him a show as I finish baking. The fantasies usually end with me in just an apron, bent over the countertop and sticky from cream or batter as he exerts his dominance.

A subtler favourite is playing hostess to my husband's work colleagues, only emerging from the kitchen to deliver food and top up drinks, blushing as they call me a "good little wife" and treat me as attractive furniture. I want them to bring their wives sometimes, the professional women judging me with their eyes and the other housewives who share the fetish giving me knowing glances as I get flustered.
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>>6804454
>>6805034
>>6823452
Wearing lolita fashion is good way to live your fantasies.
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>>6804600
Purification/reverse corruption. A thread will pop up on infinity chan from time to time.
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>>6823452
>>6823475

As much as I'd enjoy wearing lolita, it doesn't fit this specific fantasy. Part of the appeal is in the idea of willingly going full housewife every day for someone, of being clearly and thoroughly owned, to the point of it being the focus of who I'm seen as.
Lolita does feminine and vulnerable well, but it's too much of a costume. I want strangers to see me more subtly dolled up and assume it's just my style. Lolita draws attention, and I want to be seen as someone's wife rather than as my own person, for casual acquaintances to forget my name and only ever refer to me as "Bob's wife" or "Mrs. Smith"

All that aside, lolita fashion tends to be more expensive than vintage, and no less wierd/unusual than someone dressed like a 50s pinup.
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>>6823004
It's an edit of a K-On doujin by Alice no Takarabako where Mio degenerates into a drugged-up whore.
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>>6805830
That pantry filled with Del Monte brand cans...
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>>6800741
I mean, im into vore, but still... this is a thing?
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>>6824112

Great Scott! You have no idea how this gets me hot under the collar. I wish I looked better in a suit a tie...
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>>6801017
Fuck me drunk I can't stop giggling.
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>tfw no butch lesbian to feed feminization pills and watch as she gradually grows her hair out and wears frilly dresses more often and eventually she's squirming on the couch and blushing because she's realized how badly she wants my cock in her ass
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>>6824111
Thank you. You're a good person.

I'll check for that.
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>>6824112
Pro-tip - 90% of fifties housewife fashion is homemade. Learn to sew and love patterns and you can make an entire wardrobe for a couple hundred bucks
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>>6811616
Any pictures of woman giddy over their husbands knee is what makes the fetish for me. Looking beautiful and modest is nice, but it's not until they love being dominated by their husbands and showing their secret naughty side for their man makes it so fucking hot. The men of that era also cutting loose is sexy.
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>>6824112
>>6825542
Thank you! Looking sharp in a suit is nice, but looks are less important than trust. As much as I would love to go full housewife IRL, I'd only be able to if I knew I was giving myself up to someone who would put protecting and providing for his wife and children first. I guess it's kind of romantic in an old fashioned way.

>>6827144
I do sew and definitely advise it to any other prospective stepfords - after all sewing is a feminine skill, and a good 50's housewife should at least know how to mend her husband's clothes.
The most 50's dress I own was one I recently made myself, though I did struggle with the pattern. Nice fabric is expensive where I live though, and the one dress set me back $40, including pattern and trim. Buying thrift is cheaper, but also slower and less reliable. I want to get good at alterations, which can be the best of both worlds.
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>>6827309
Ignore, report, and hide posts by this guy. It looks like he's spamming the whole fucking site now.
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>>6827309
What did I miss?
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>You will never find a cute, conservative woman who appreciates traditional marital and familial values.
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>>6827994
>conservative
>not liberal woman who willingly gives up her freedom to serve as the caretaker of the family, because it is how she finds true happiness.

Anon please.
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>>6827994
Have you tried going to church? And I don't mean going once or twice just to pick up chicks, you'll find that doesn't work so well.

>>6828045
is actually onto something, as long as the girl isn't heavily political and you don't sperg out about basic liberal status signalling. If she's relatively normal then she'll be willing to follow your lead--if you are capable of leading.
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>>6829311
>>6829313
Holy crap, that face. o.O
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>>6827308
I hate this shit. if you want to treat me like an inferior thats one thing but I'm not so addle brained I can't follow directions. How else am I supposed to cook stuff more complicated than hamburger helper if I couldn't? Either that or they wanted to pad their awful book with as much repeat text imaginable.

it's like a grocery list that reads
Milk
Eggs,
did you get the milk
butter
better get that milk
flour
milk
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>>6828535
>>following their lead in politics for a fetish/lifestyle
iunno that seems like a hard sell for even the most into this kind of fetish. the vote affects everyone, not just husband.
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>>6829311
That's creepy

>>6827308
That's insulting
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>>6806525
Cave Story selfcest doujin when
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Gomen for more sociologyfaggotry, but outside of an unironic kink context like this, I really hate the Stepford wife as a caricature. It feels like it's trying to be progressive and respectful to women by ridiculing a particular type of woman.

That's why it's actually kind of refreshing to me to see it fetishized, even if the '50s kitsch is a turn-off for me especially combined with the /aco/.
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>>6827308
>>6829326
>>6829407

The list or something I said? With the article I agree about it being extremely patronizing and repetitive, and it definitely goes a bit too far at the end. I really like some of the mental images it evokes earlier on, though, of running a domestic household and having a happy family by a roaring fire.

It claims to be a magazine article, and those tend to be fairly repetitive and patronizing these days, but it's not original. Someone clearly wrote it as a parody, as a power trip or as fetish material:
http://www.snopes.com/history/document/goodwife.asp

Whilst it's not particularly good material its all that I had that wasn't more fashion shoots, and I thought people might appreciate it. I definitely wouldn't live by it, but fetishes are more about fantasy than reality in any case.

>>6827208
I personally found this one more insulting, but I don't like to kink shame.
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>>6829311
>>6829313
>>6829314
>>6829315
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MKhuwSrYg
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>>6828535
>Have you tried going to church?
Yes.

Spoilers - 90% of women who go to church are already married... the other 10% are single moms looking for desperate guys to leech off of.
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>>6829810
>especially combined with the /aco/

What did he mean by this
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>>6830052
hate to hear this, church was part of my planning.
where do they meet their husbands, then?
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>>6830340
What are you talking about, there is a shitton of /aco/ in this thread
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>Most verbose thread on /d/, full of triggered betas, feminists, and their jewish handlers.

I came on my screen, and SLOWLY scrolled down the thread, top to bottom.

And I didn't read a fucking thing.
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>>6830370
In school and/or through friends.
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>>6830989
phrased this wrong. women don't go to church before they're married, and start going to church when they get married? what a gyp.
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>>6804569
>nerfnow art
>on /d/
now I have seen everything. And no, author avatar being a tentacle monster has nothing to do with the case.
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>>6800784
>that moment when you actually paid attention to the oven and immediately recognize the food was burning when the clock was shown

That food has been baking for over 5 hours, and depending on how long she was in that shower cleaning all that jism off her, could be between 20-45 minutes extra. The fact that the house wasn't on fire is kinda surprising.
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>>6801017
>>6825571
You and me both. I find it and Samus absolutely adorable.

>>6829311
>>6829313
>>6829314
>>6829315
THIS on the other hand is the thing that haunts my nightmares, except they're female and not wearing a hat or sorts. Claws? check. Scary face? Check. Bad looking outfit? Check.


Wait a fucking minute.. IS THIS FREDDY KRUEGER STEPFORDIZED?!
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>>6804569
Zone-tan is like the princess of fetishes, next to /d/-tan. I really miss the days of the board-tans, they were very amusing but slowly died off. Someone should bring them back.
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>>6822902
Gallery got nuked, anyone else have a link?
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>>6835250
http://exhentai.org/g/882907/bd3c46a8bd/
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>>6835219
>Wait a fucking minute.. IS THIS FREDDY KRUEGER STEPFORDIZED?!

Would that make her your dream girl?
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>>6835250
You need to log in to see it. Or just go to sadpanda.
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>>6835629
>>6835632
>>6835635
>>6835636
>>6835637
Thank you.
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>>6835629
>>6835632
>>6835635
>>6835636
>>6835637
And I always thought I was attracted to more dominant women. Fuck I didn't know how bad I wanted this. I actually feel like I learned something about myself here.
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>>6805214
i thought she was poking half of a topless torso with a stick while lifting it up by the edge of skin where the person was cut in half. I should prolly go to bed or read the bible or something.
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Welcome, Sakura! You're the first Housewife of Tomorrow~!
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>women who aren't fat and obnoxious tumblr whales are now a rare fetish

RIP western civilization
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>>6837518
Sauce and/or moar?
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>>6835269
many thanks.
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>>6804595
How it's called when the girl wear shorts or skirts and part of the panties are outside the clothes?

(Like in third pannel from right to left)
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>>6838093
Got a few more that I've commissioned, but they're sketches only. Some colored versions are on their way.

Artist is Daemonking on deviantart. Great dude.
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>>6838352
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>>6838366
>I'm not a robot
Stop taunting me and my dreams, Captcha
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>>6838370
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>>6838371
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Aaaand last one for now. I've got more in mind and intend on rounding out the female Street Fighter cast for this series, so that's something to look forward to, but I want to get these SF Housewifebots colored first.
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>>6838380
These are cool, but I wish the housewife robots resembled the original characters more. It almost defeats the purpose of transforming them if they're essentially just being placed in a shell.
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>>6838669
I gotta respectfully disagree. Part of what makes this so delicious to me is that they don't look anything like what they did before. It makes the Before/After contrast even more drastic if they don't look anything like how they did before the transformation.
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>>6804179
I disagree. I'm imagining all these pictures being men.
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>>6838352
>>6838366
>>6838370
>>6838371
>>6838372
>>6838373
>>6838379
>>6838380
Interesting. Any particular reason for the fat robot design? Or is that to highlight the "matronly" part of the tf?

>>6838909
>Part of what makes this so delicious to me is that they don't look anything like what they did before

I understand this. Depending on the tf, and my mood, having a complete transformation or one with remnants of the original is the order of the day.
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>>6838669
>they're essentially just being placed in a shell.

Seems from the before/mid conversion pics that they're literally turning into robots, rather than being placed inside them.
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>>6838930
You're correct. Their bodies are being converted via nanobots.

>>6838926
>Any particular reason for the fat robot design? Or is that to highlight the "matronly" part of the tf?
The matronly appeal is part of the reason. The other reason is that I love huge breasts/bellies/asses and there's more housewife to love~
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>>6838941
>You're correct. Their bodies are being converted via nanobots.

I see. Any background on the nature of the tf? Seems you've put some thought into it.
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>>6838961
I've put a little too much thought into it, haha.

I've toyed with names for the nanobots that cause the TF before like calling it W.I.F.E. (not sure what the acronym would stand for), but the entire idea is that direct exposure to the nanobot serum is extremely dangerous as it takes those who touch it as a new host and converts their body into a generated design of an ideal housewifebot. The mind of the converted person is left intact enough to recognize their new body and life as a housewifebot with glee, but to completely forget their former lives as a human in favor of serving their new husband/wife.

Their metallic bodies that the nanobots provide them are made of a conscious liquid metal that can shift between Adamantium-levels of unbreakable to squishy, soft like cellulite. So the housewifebots are not only nigh-indestructible when faced with danger, but they're more than willing to make their bodies jiggly and soft so that their hubby/wife can squeeze and grope those huge, lovely curves of theirs like they were still human.

The idea that they look like robot designs that would come out of Futurama is part of the appeal to me. It's another factor that makes the before/after contrast that much more drastic~

I still don't know if the nanobots would have the same effect on males, turning them into housewifebots, or if would have the same effect on non-human humanoids (demons, elves, etc) but anything is possible I suppose.

Lol, forgot this pic. Have some robobutt.
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>>6838974
>I've put a little too much thought into it, haha.

Kek, I only ask because I've also had several commissions made on one very specific theme, and I also put a fair bit of thought into its background.

>The mind of the converted person is left intact enough to recognize their new body and life as a housewifebot with glee, but to completely forget their former lives as a human in favor of serving their new husband/wife.

So kind of a half mental rewrite? I like the idea of their being something of the original mind left, but utterly twisted into facilitating its new role.

>The idea that they look like robot designs that would come out of Futurama is part of the appeal to me. It's another factor that makes the before/after contrast that much more drastic~

I get this too. A complete style change to illustrate just how thorough and dramatic the tf is. I'll admit that I don't find the actual robot designs appealing, but the tf itself and what it means for the victim is hot af.

>I still don't know if the nanobots would have the same effect on males, turning them into housewifebots

To quote Rumiko Takahashi regarding the specifics of genderbending tfs, "I don't think about that, and neither should you."
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Hey, since this is a rather similar fetish, does anyone know what happened to the slavery thread last night? It seems like it was deleted.
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>>6839006
>So kind of a half mental rewrite? I like the idea of their being something of the original mind left, but utterly twisted into facilitating its new role.

Pretty much! They remember their former names and only have very faint, vague recollections of their past lives, but their programming and new personalities hardly allow for any nostalgia, haha~

>I get this too. A complete style change to illustrate just how thorough and dramatic the tf is. I'll admit that I don't find the actual robot designs appealing, but the tf itself and what it means for the victim is hot af.

I'll admit I also kind of get off on how cartoony and exaggerated their features and curves are, but it doesn't take away from how dramatic the TF is and what it means for the girl being TF'd.

May I ask though, out of the ones posted, is there a favorite/most liked design that you could point out?

>To quote Rumiko Takahashi regarding the specifics of genderbending tfs, "I don't think about that, and neither should you."

Ha, fair enough.
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>>6839022
>Pretty much! They remember their former names and only have very faint, vague recollections of their past lives, but their programming and new personalities hardly allow for any nostalgia, haha~

Great stuff. I enjoy the idea that even if they recall something before the tf, they're not bothered because they have more important things to think about, i.e. being a housewifebot.

>I'll admit I also kind of get off on how cartoony and exaggerated their features and curves are

I understand this. In some tfs, the result being ridiculous (or even sometimes deliberately unappealing) makes it all the better.

>it doesn't take away from how dramatic the TF is and what it means for the girl being TF'd.

Which, to me at least, is the most important part.

>May I ask though, out of the ones posted, is there a favorite/most liked design that you could point out?

Thought about this. My favourite pre/mid-tf is Cammy >>6838373 for two reasons. Like >>6838352 her face is mid-tf, which I love in process pics. And like with Karin >>6838371 she is losing parts of herself in the tf, i.e. it's inconceivable that she's merely "trapped" inside the robot.

To address your real question, my favourite tf design is probably the last one you posted. I love the seams in the larger outer shell where the joints are, that show there's a basic endoskeleton of gears and cogs inside.

Honourable mention goes to Elena >>6838372 for the same reason, and this >>6838370 overall.


I hope you get more of these done and coloured.
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>>6839014
Sorry, mang. Didn't see it.
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>>6839075
Thanks for taking the time to answer! I appreciate the input. I'm glad you like Cammy and Elena's best, especially Elena's cause that's one of my favs too.
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>>6839116
> especially Elena's cause that's one of my favs too.

She has the robot seams, but it's also a sequence of turning into something so different from her original self (young, lanky, athletic, tribal girl into a fat robot caricature of domesticity) that it has to get extra points.

Sure, this applies to nearly all of them in some respects, but Elena is probably the standout.

Btw, if /when you're getting more coloured may I suggest you don't have to stick to the gunmetal grey look of Sakura's tf? There are black, silver and gold metallic colours that would go great with the gaudy housewife look.

(Also, I just noticed that RoboSakura's "outfit" is painted on. Which is excellent.)
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>>6839128
I've already got silver and gold metallic colors in mind as well. You'll be delighted to know that Karin and Elena are gonna be colored next, and Elena will have a gold color to her, and I'll likely do the same with Viper and other dark-skinned SF girls down the road (most notably Laura but that'll be waaaaay down the line).

Also yeah, the outfits are a part of them and can be altered to have the same sort of textured feeling of clothing like how they can shift their bodies from hard to soft at will, but they usually give off the appearance of looking painted on, which is nice~
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>>6839151
>I've already got silver and gold metallic colors in mind as well.

Ah, way ahead of me, it seems.

>Karin and Elena are gonna be colored next, and Elena will have a gold color to her

Which will look wonderful with the leopard-print, as you probably thinking.

>SF girls down the road

You do seem to like that franchise, which is cool. I like consistency in that sense, because it makes it easier to weave a narrative in my head.

May I ask though, as they don't appear in the image titles, who the non-SF characters are?

>Also yeah, the outfits are a part of them

Love that shit.

>they usually give off the appearance of looking painted on, which is nice~

They are supposed to be futuristic housewives, after all.

As aside, I know I mentioned I especially like the tfs that feature the faces mid-transformation, but in general I prefer that you're going for varied uneven tfs for the "before" pics.
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>>6839171
>Which will look wonderful with the leopard-print, as you probably thinking.

We are definitely on the same wavelength, heh~

>You do seem to like that franchise, which is cool. I like consistency in that sense, because it makes it easier to weave a narrative in my head.

I've got a finale pic intended which is why I'm staying consistent with SF girls. The finale is likely gonna involve Chun-Li, Laura and a third party I don't want to disclose just yet.

>May I ask though, as they don't appear in the image titles, who the non-SF characters are?

Only one of those non-SF pics are ones I've commissioned. The others are from other people who look at Daemonking's streams like I do, saw my idea, and wanted to have their OCs take part in the roboticization fun. But the only non-SF robohousewife I commissioned was Mai Shiranui>>6838352 as pictured here. It was the first one I got and it made me want to get more.

>They are supposed to be futuristic housewives, after all.

Indeed~ Gotta be versatile!

>As aside, I know I mentioned I especially like the tfs that feature the faces mid-transformation, but in general I prefer that you're going for varied uneven tfs for the "before" pics.

My mood on which ones to get varies, but I like the faces mid-TF'd just as much, believe me.
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>>6839182
>We are definitely on the same wavelength, heh~

Nice to know. Once you get over the initial jarring feeling at the cartoony nature of the tf, it's easy to enjoy the result. (Still not sold on the couple with the enormous asses, but I'm not the one commissioning them.)

>I've got a finale pic intended which is why I'm staying consistent with SF girls. The finale is likely gonna involve Chun-Li, Laura and a third party

Nice to see you're thinking ahead, which of course you are. I'm actively looking forward to damn Futurama robot tf now, which is not something I'd have imagined before this thread.

>wanted to have their OCs take part in the roboticization fun

Ah, OCs. Got it. I thought it was odd I didn't recognise any of them, even vaguely.

>But the only non-SF robohousewife I commissioned was Mai Shiranui>>6838352 as pictured here.

I recognised Mai, all right. She's probably the most famous fighting girl after Chunners and Cammy.

>It was the first one I got and it made me want to get more.

I know that feel.

>My mood on which ones to get varies, but I like the faces mid-TF'd just as much, believe me.

Cool. I'm going to have to check the artist's page. Though when you get more stuff, I do hope you share it here or in a robotization thread.
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>>6839208
Trust me, I will! I'm happy to see this kink of mine is getting positive reception and that some of you guys/girls want to see more.
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>>6839243
>I'm happy to see this kink of mine is getting positive reception
The more specific and weird a kink is, the tougher it'll be for others to get into. But if it's something that appeals to you, by all means, keep at it.
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>>6839243
>Trust me, I will!

Cool. Though, I think this is probably more appropriate to the robotization thread I suggested. The robo-tf seems to have primacy over the wifey tf.

>positive reception and that some of you guys/girls want to see more.

I do, in any case. If you have any more pics, thoughts or background info, don't be shy about posting it.
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>>6804454
Bless you. Wish there were more women like you out there.
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>>6804454
>alpha-cucks

What's this?
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>>6808067
Fuck. I guess I'm not human then.

I agree. It's definitely not bound to somebody's political views, but either way it's not healthy.

But I can understand where he's coming from. A lot of social justice/feminism kind of stuff tries to shame people for being 'better off' than others, even if their definition of that most of the time isn't even related to wealth. It's a bit absurd.

Anyway, I don't want to turn this thread into just another politics thread. Fap on to more delicious housewives!
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>>6839296
>What's this?

Betas arguing over who gets to be tallest dwarf?

(Really tho, it just means shitheads.)
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>>6837559
dont worry anon, Allah will soon deliver us from this rejection of the natural order
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>>6839371
>not wearing the full letterbox peepscarf

Absolutely haram.
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>>6839385
Now that's halal I can get behind!

>that implied cheekbone
Hnnnnggg
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>>6839371
That's exactly Why they can dominante entire countries, they don't allow this modern days bullshit. I have to disagree with the way they treat women (abuse, killing them, using them as weapons) but they are damn right when their culture gives valor to a woman who cares about the husband, sons and daughters and home. Here in the west, if you speak just a little thing about liking a wife who stays at home you are suddenly met with furious talk about how you hate women and yadda yadda.
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>>6839649
This is /d/, not /pol/
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>>6839657
/pol/ will dominate the world.
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>>6839657
I'm just saying the truth.
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>>6838974
>I've toyed with names for the nanobots that cause the TF before like calling it W.I.F.E. (not sure what the acronym would stand for), but the entire idea is that direct exposure to the nanobot serum is extremely dangerous as it takes those who touch it as a new host and converts their body into a generated design of an ideal housewifebot.

Instead of W.I.F.E., how about W.A.I.F.U?
Wife Artificial intelligence Formation Utility, or something along those lines sounds good.
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>>6839800
Bloody hell, that's pretty good. I may go with that instead. Thanks a lot!

>I'm not a robot
Stop rubbing it in, Captcha
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>>6839811
Glad you like. I was trying to think of a way to get "AI" in there after you mentioned that once they're transformed, they're just robots with programming. W.A.I.F.U. was the natural step.

Btw, I'm the one who had that little tĂȘte-a-tete with you above, and I think given me a new bloody fetish. So, thanks for that.

(Think I might commission a couple of those from Daemonking myself. His rates reasonable?)
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