old thread >>6790002
GOTY edition
Discuss lewd games, share your projects and have others critique them.
Post pictures (/d/ related preferably) to keep the thread alive.
Lose hope of making games here, and collaborate with others to not make games:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?pli=1#!forum/hentai-game-dev-group
>/d/ Games Catalog:
http://pastebin.com/Su7gb2iq
>IRC:
irc.rizon.net
#/d/evs
>>6794965
Albedo, and that mini-guide someone threw together (two threads ago, I think) should really be added to the pastebin.
Xth for footfags are worse than lolicons and furries combined.
>>6794970
Seconded
>>6794973
Is furry lolicon porn a thing?
>>6794975
yes. They call them "cubs" or some shit
>>6794975
I would be surprised if it wasn't
>>6794978
Well, at least the posts could be tossed into a pseudo-FAQ pastebin page by someone. Having fragmented information is always better than no information whatsoever.
>>6794976
>knowing about this
>pretending to not be sure
Right, furfag, you got everyone fooled.
I would like anon to write a clean guide on pastebin for the game. I will add it to the to the catalog.
>>6794980
ok I'll try something
>>6794970
Is the game finished?
>>6794981
I know about diaper furs despite being repulsed by the idea, so he's not necessarily a furry. You get exposed to a lot of weird shit on the ole 4chans
Also, for anons that don't visit the thread daily, two interesting games were posted:
(As always, forewarning about WIP status):
>Melkavia
>Sandbox game focusing on mental corruption and physical TF of the female protagonist
>Like CoC, but no furry, and with less focus on combat, more on corruption mechanics
http://www.tfgamessite.com/?module=viewgame&id=911
>Great Tracts of Land
>A short, but very interesting management sim where changes to the country changes the Queen's body, and vice versa.
http://www.tfgamessite.com/?module=viewgame&id=909
>>6794989
Are sandbox games ever really finished?
Authors just keep adding content until they vanish into the ether. It hasn't been updated in a few years, so I forsee no new content for it, unless the English-speaking community picks it up and mods it.
>>6794997
Do you know if the dev has a blog or a website to contact him?
>>6794994
>>6794981
This. I've seen some shit.
A lot of the "smaller chans" don't filter out furry content, so I've just gotten used to browsing past it. I said "they call them cubs or some shit" because that's what I've seen but I don't know if it's the correct term in their "culture", nor do I care to know.
>>6795001
My post makes reference to three games, so I'm not sure which means. You mean Albedo?
I'm ETODevAnon, and was the one that originally linked Albedo here and wrote that haphazard guide. I'm not the developer of Albedo, but I've lots of experience in working with Russian conversions of QuestSoft (*cough ETO cough*), so if your questions are just about modding, you can just direct them to me in the thread.
The development thread website is entirely in Russian, so if you want to approach them directly, you better brush up on your cyrillic. It looks to be a collab project like ETO with no single developer. (pic related). The sub-forum on the developer site dedicated to the fantasy Albedo is here: http://albedo.fludilka.su/viewforum.php?id=4
>>6794987
Don't forget to make a notice for players to use "alternate world" mode to launch, not "real world". I'll probably throw together a patch to fix that soon enough.
Aight game is added and the "guide" is done I guess? Let me know if I missed something
>>6795042
k
here's your (You)
>>6795008
I speak Russian. From what I read on the forum linked in the initial Albedo post on TFGS, Albedo's original dev stopped working on the game a while back. Other forum users added/reworked content in what were essentially their own mods, which is how we have version 0.82. I would not hold out hope for more active development - the threads with (now dead) download links were started in 2014.
While I technically could contribute to fixing the machine translation, the main issue for me personally is the game-to-porn ratio (which is also my problem with a lot of RPG Maker games). If I can't get to the /d/ content with an hour of gameplay, the game is going into the trash. Finding motivation to WORK on something like that is even harder.
So I played more of this game and the way its set up is really neat, but the game itself is pretty junk. All you can do is mash the attack button or heal. Defense doesn't really do anything until the last area because before then enemies don't announce their instant-kill attacks. Also it's really easy to just instantly die because the game is hardcore about managing your HP potions but you can get critical hit for 80+ damage at any time. When you die you lose 10 turns on the map, making most of them totally unwinnable if you die once. Examining a space takes 1 turn and entering a battle even if you run/win takes an extra turn so you can easily get unlucky and just lose the game. Needing to examine the map is extra junk because most of the objectives are totally invisible.
If you like really huge boobs and dick bulges it's got a good amount of that, but the descriptions aren't anything special. I can't read the japanese, but all the scenes for a body part are close enough that I'm pretty sure its just one generic scene. But since each map is incredibly grindy and luck-based all the expansion stuff is spaced really far apart. Oh, also you get to change the queen at the end of every quest you win and the PC every quest you lose, but again win or lose each map takes forever.
>>6795057
Actually, I found that issue a bit problematic myself. So as we speak I'm uploading a patch which reduces the sheer grind factor.
Specifically, daily, repetitive spell grinding actions now yield double the rate of learning (no more 30 days of meditating to learn 3 spells). I also greatly reduced the corruption barriers of entry to certain game content. Upload should be done in 10 mins or so.
>>6795024
>>6795059
Here's the minipatched version. Includes
- Nanosuit ammunition is now purchasable.
- All grinding-related actions to learn spells should now take half the time.
- Unlocked some content normally locked out by (in my opinion) ridiculously low corruption requirements (now lets you safely have up to 990 corruption before lockout.)
- Translated the starting character selection properly
- Removed a lot of the junk images, reducing game size to ~1/3rd the original.
Update link plz n thnx pastebinanon
>>6795068
And I forgot the link. Herpderp. I was playing a game in the background so I was distracted. Here you go 4realzies:
https://mega.nz/#!8UZH1DrL!y76KdioPo5nZZuLweN9oUmyQyExYZuSlLh8hWCyE1aA
>>6795062
That doesn't really change how the game is built, though. Corruption of Champions, Fleshcult, and Free Cities (to name a few of the games I've enjoyed) all expose the player to their "porn" content almost immediately. Most of the /d/ RPGs, on the other hand, seem to be built on the assumption that the player needs to work for /d/ content, and just finding it is the reward - when there's actually no guarantee a given player will enjoy the specific flavor of /d/ content the game has locked behind hours of "regular" content.
I suppose "instant" versus "delayed" gratification is a matter of preference, much like various "regular" game genres are.
(Threadly reminder to post relevant /d/ images with your /d/iscussions so mods don't wipe us off the board.)
>>6795057
>no fingerprints
welp, found my trigger
time to be an hero
>>6795074
Fair enough, different folks prefer different games.
But that said, having someone willing to translate but not doing so is a waste of potential, given how many games sorely need it. Might I recommend heading over to tfgamesite and volunteering to help translate ETO? Or rather, fix the broken machine translation.
>>6795062
Are you going for "balance" or "gimmie the porn"?
>>6795079
>Anonymous
It takes on average ten days to learn a new spell. That means repeating the same actions over and over for ten days. And that's for one spell, when there are 20+ spells in the game, I think. It's not like any unique or random events happen during these learning actions, or like they're supposed to be a barrier to entry (10 events, each being expensive). It's just a grind for grind's sake.
>>6795078
I'm sorry, but ĐTO is even worse than Albedo for me. "Girl life sim" does absolutely nothing for my fetishes, and the few that it hits I don't want to be happening to the player character. "Fantasy world with magic and transformations" can in theory hold my interest, but the RPG part is too obtuse and the /d/ part is sadly locked behind that.
>>6795082
I wasn't accusing you of anything. I just don't want to bother with a version where everything can be done in a day. Reducing the grind is fine if it's ridiculously high, but I don't think it should be removed completely.
>>6795086
Personally, I just don't find Russian culture and women very appealing. If I had a million years to waste, I'd probably rewrite the whole thing to be set in Japan or Murrica.
>>6795099
>Russian culture
As a russian, I can assure you, there's not culture to speak of (in modern sense at least).
>>6795102
I meant more the general.... aesthetic, I guess?
At least america feels more familiar to a westerner, and japan is fun if you're a weeb.
>>6795059
Well, it's simply one generic scene a with few additional lines here and there for each bodymod.
Compared with their previous work, expansion stuff isn't that satisfying either.
>>6795099
>Personally, I just don't find Russian culture and women very appealing. If I had a million years to waste, I'd probably rewrite the whole thing to be set in Japan or Murrica.
But anon, ETO already has subway molesters!
But really, what would you change to "Japanify" the setting? Just swapping the art, or are there specific elements you had in mind?
>>6795099
I don't think cultural reasons are to blame here. More likely the general tone of the game. It doesn't feel like a fetish game or even a pron game for that matter.
Huh. That SLUT Academy author is working on an RPGMaker game now. Wonder if it's any good.
>>6795143
And that's aside from the fact that some back of beyond is a weird place for such game to begin with.
>>6795130
>>6795143
Honestly, I don't know why the game bothers me so much. Maybe Russian and/or machine translations are a turnoff for me.
"Eat from cooked a disc of fine klpontsky in your klapnik." is sort of a turnoff.
>But really, what would you change to "Japanify" the setting? Just swapping the art, or are there specific elements you had in mind?
If I decided to create my own version, I would:
Clean up the text, prettify the pics a bit so that some of the buildings don't look quite so run down, change some cultural references, fill it full of azns (or burgers) instead of russkies, remove any and all references to bestiality (I don't want to encourage the spread of RL pics of that nature for moral/personal reasons, even if it's optional in-game), and tone down the "random public blowjobs in broad daylight" content.
I'd also change some other things, but that's general quality of life stuff that I think should be added to any version.
>>6795180
I'm actually surprised anybody bothered with this game with a translation THAT broken.
>>6795180
Yeah as much fun as all the pictures of people in soviet era accommodation and 80s clothing is got to agree with preferring a western or eastern setting.
So what mods are there available for FC?
>>6795218
The same as when you ask every thread, Pinky.
So... is there an "end" to FC currently? I've beaten the opposing city and bankrupted them. I know that the "take your harem and wander the wastelands" isn't in yet. So, am I just... done?
Why do people hate the Calculus of Constructions? What does a type system / language have to do with lewd games?
>>6795237
>Why do people hate the Calculus of Constructions?
Because it's pleb-tier mathematics for amateurs.
>What does a type system / language have to do with lewd games?
Everything.
>>6795233
Yes. Plot ends there. Enjoy your complimentary slave waifus.
>>6795102
To be fair, Russia is "Slavs but without Slavic culture". Slavic culture is actually very interesting; it was grimdark before grimdark was a thing, and more metal than literally all Nordic myth.
>>6795248
I suppose they could be "complementary" instead, but I'm assuming you've already broken them into compliance anyway.
>>6795233
>"take your harem and wander the wastelands"
I know FCdev has been planning this forever, but ever since the weather-effects were added I've been wondering about this.
There are week-long, torrential acid rains, record-setting tornadoes, and enormous lightning storms all over the world. Most governments have collapsed, or are so ineffective so as to be barely better. Most military forces are so weak that your Free City, if you want it to, becomes one of the strongest in the world given ~2 years.
I honestly don't know what could push you out of your city, much less why you would leave voluntarily. It's practically a deathworld by the end of the game, how would you even survive out there?
small chance but does anyone have a link/name of the russian song that plays in defiler wings when you attack the dorf fort?
Dat NG+
And that's probably not even the best slaves to carry over. Those are my hand-picked leader set (HG, Concubine, Bodyguard, Warden, Recruiter).
You could probably bring in 5 cows with 10k tits, spend the initial $5k you start with on a dairy, and throw them in. A couple weeks later to afford all the upgrades, then you're probably raking in $10k+ a week in milk alone...
>>6794965
enjoy that ban
>>6795323
>this one guy mentioning Albedo all the time
look, all I care about is if it has bdsm in it, and no ones even mentioned that.
someone tell me so I dont waste time downloading it
>>6795345
BDSM is a pretty broad term, but I'd generally say yes. There is B&D when you become a slave
>>6794997
You deserve the price "coolest guy on the board".
Thanks.
>>6795356
>There is B&D when you become a slave
How? I've wondered around evedona and explored south to a fort and shit but havent figured out any slave related stuff
>>6795410
One of the demonic bosses you fight after joining The Order and rising through the ranks
>>6795293
Your character is really into mad max
>>6795412
>the order
how much magery do I need, and what boss do I need to 'lose to' (im assuming i need to lose to them)
>>6795427
To join the order you need 10 or 15 magery. Can't remember which, but you can raise it by getting raped by monsters in the forest (except the shapeshifter/shadow thing, which drains it), or by buying magery books.
I can't remember the name. But there are only like 2-3 boss demons, so it's not like you'll miss it. Just save before every boss and lose. (Most have content for losing anyways, like becoming a demon, so you should try losing to them just to see)
>>6795433
Ahhhh, damn. I've been raising my magery by spending 1k gold at the noble magic school.
>>6795427
Vapula, for one. Max out on Dominica's spells and she'll point you to Vapula's cave, about half-way through the desert.
>>6795434
I prefer the books myself. You train skills at times of day when everything is closed, so you won't waste time just sitting around when you aren't tired. You also have to buy 10 books to unlock spellbooks at the bookshop anyway.
Also save frequently in the forest. I cannot underestimate how dangerous those shadow/shapeshifters are, as they can wipe out multiple levels of magery at once if they beat you.
>>6795451
I cannot overstate*
>>6795451
So buy books from the fishing village and then what?
Also I tried to learn Mirror from Dominika and I died for some reason. What the fug
>>6794965
I just noticed the OP says
>irc.rizon.net
It's that the entire server, containing hundreds of channels? Maybe you want to narrow it down a bit by actually mentioning the specific channel's name.
>>6795458
Books can be used on the couch at any of the homes or inn rooms. They have 10 uses each for most skill books (except Magery, which lasts longer).
>>6795458
Maybe you accepted the Order quest to kill her? You'll have to screenshot or give more detail.
>>6795462
>Maybe you accepted the Order quest to kill her?
No, they told me to get out because I was a scrub with no mage skills.
I wish I had saved so I could reload and show you. Currently grinding magery on an inn couch.
>>6795470
Oh, my bad.
But in all fairness, normally you don't break single link into multiple lines like that. Thought it was supposed to be a hashtag or something.
>>6795293
The Arcology can keep you safe from the weather, but its not truly self-sustaining. Once the world truly collapses, so will the arcologies. Then we go full Mad Max.
>>6795440
>Max out on Dominica's spells and she'll point you to Vapula's cave, about half-way through the desert.
She did, but I still have no idea how to find it. Just keep going north in the desert?
>>6794965
Hey pastebin guy, a few recommendations changes to the pastebin:
Etoica: You should remove this. No mention of the game for half a year in the blog/paetron, not even basic information like release dates, art (which he supposedly promised), or anything relevant. If it's not completely dead, it's probably years away from release. So little info and content it's not even worth mentioning on the list.
S.L.U.T. Academy: Probably move to abandoned section. No updates in over a year, and the developer is working on a new game, so chances of it being worked further are non-existent.
Nimin Fetish Fantasy: Not certain about this one, but hasn't it been over half a year since the last update? Seems abandoned, though could be wrong.
Whorelock's Revenge: While Bedlam *claims* this isn't abandoned, no updates in over a year, and only updates his new game (NoHaven) very infrequently. I simply don't see him ever getting around to updating this, given how slowly he works on NoHaven.
Starless English: Should visual novel translations even be listed here? Serious question, since there are hundreds of English VN translations not listed here (I can think of 10+ off the top of my head with /d/-specific content, but probably are dozens more I don't know of)
Mutant Minx Meltdown: No updates in four months, no new release in 6+ months. Abandoned?
>>6795524
Its not out of the question to include a "last update" section in the pastebin, but "I don't *believe* the developer is working on it" is a pretty dumb reason to call it abandoned.
>>6795524
>and only updates his new game (NoHaven) very infrequently.
next update is this weekend m8
>>6795524
What are some good /d/ related english VNs?
>>6795519
Desert locations seem to be luck based. If I'm reading the code right -- and I might not be -- it counts the number of times you get lost, and certain event locations trigger after a certain number of these flags (different amounts required for each location, assuming you have the appropriate quest)
>>6795532
Most of those listed haven't been updated in multiple months. I think that's fairly strong evidence above and beyond mere belief. Unless you're referring to one specific item and not the overall list.
>>6795539
Go to the VNDB.
Search type releases (not games, since translation patches are categorized as releases). Probably also filter by English, and 18+ age rating.
They have thousands of tags. You can subdivide pretty much every fetish into 10+ subcategories. It'll be far more efficient for you to do it yourself and find exactly what you want than me listing everything that you might enjoy.
>>6795540
Damn. I've died and reloaded 3 times and I cant find her lair in the desert. I tried joining the order too, and have no idea how to get missions. ;/ also, how do I get my health to go up?
>>6795554
Doctors/alchemists, located in almost every major settlement will restore all your core stats to full (health, sanity, mood) for a price. Otherwise you can do it the very slow, natural way of eating and sleeping.
Also, it sounds like you don't have the quest. Desert event locations are each locked until you have a specific question to find them.
>>6794965
Zombie Cop: "Oops, looks like someone lost their 'grip'. You boys don't mind if we 'return it' do you"?
![nxs-1-3823[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CZB9VKu.jpg "nxs-1-3823[1].jpg")
>>6795524
Eh, Starless is pretty well done, has a couple different endings, and definitely /d/ tier
And has some damn hot bitches to boot.
>>6795580
My point wasn't the content. My point was the fact that why only list one visual novel? If you're going to list /d/-tier VN translations, you'll have to double or triple the size of the list. Otherwise you should just decide no VN whatsoever. Only adding one of dozens of different ones doesn't make much sense.
>>6795558
Got the vapula ending. Is there more than one? Now that I've done that, how do I get quests for the others, and does the slave building in evedona do anything?
>>6795592
I already told you (or someone else) how to find the demons earlier in the thread. HINT: Maybe there's an order for hunting demons.
So I'm in the Labyrinth, having cheesed Vapula with about a dozen potions of full-heal, and I only have one question: how do I buff my damage? Lightning wizard with 400 Int and 22 Magery if that matters.
Literally everything has a physical shield of at least 5000, and the mana to refresh it several times. Through Mirror spam and Spherical Protection I'm keeping up with their damage long enough to blast them with lightning, but Werewolves are literally invincible, and the lightning witch wrecks me every time.
I've noted that every spell seems to grow more powerful the more often you use it, but it's a very slow, very linear growth. For example, though I have used Triple Digit over 200 times, at least, the damage only has a cap of about 1200 now, and the minimum of ~600 has only risen to ~680, if that's not just my imagination.
Since Int doesn't seem to affect damage, only total MP, Willpower only affects Reason (whatever that does), and it doesn't seem possible to raise other stats (though my Str rose to 60 somehow), how do I catch up to the obscene HP, damage, and shields my opposition is putting out? Is the only answer "grind"?
>>6795634
Nevermind, just checked the code. There is literally is no way to increase the damage but grinding the spell over and over. Only stat that factors into damage is Strength, and of those attacks only Fist of Thunder is worth grinding.
Who thought this was a good idea?
>>6795667
Have you considered getting different spells rather than boosting existing ones?
>>6795729
Once you specialize, you can't learn anything from other schools, as far as I know. There's something in the code about elf-magic you can use, but it's useful mainly for its defensive properties and I can't figure out how to get it anyways.
As for the other schools they don't have better damage, every school has at best a spell that does 3000+spellEXP to 4000+spellEXP*2
>>6795745
You can cross-train in other schools if you go order and get ranked high enough (I think you get a second school at Master. Don't know if you get a 3rd later on or not). Plus there are the spellbooks for sale in the bookshop. Plus Dominica's spells. And possibly more I can't remember.
Also, if all else fails try the nanosuit weapons. That recent patch anon posted made it so the girl sells ammo, so now it's not a finite supply.
>>6795761
>You can cross-train in other schools if you go order and get ranked high enough (I think you get a second school at Master. Don't know if you get a 3rd later on or not).
I'd been holding off on that until I cleared all the desert-demon stuff, just incase Dominica had anything else for me. If that's all though I may as well take the quest and kill her.
>Plus there are the spellbooks for sale in the bookshop
You're talking about the bookshop in the fishing village right? I've been in that shop several times and bought all the books they had, then went back multiple more times to buy more skillbooks until I reached 400 Int. I've never seen a spellbook for sale, or anything like it.
>Plus Dominica's spells.
Already have all of those.
>That recent patch anon posted made it so the girl sells ammo, so now it's not a finite supply.
Can I transfer the save?
>>6795771
>I'd been holding off on that until I cleared all the desert-demon stuff, just incase Dominica had anything else for me. If that's all though I may as well take the quest and kill her.
Oh, crap, I forgot to mention that in the patch notes.
The patch also makes it so you can get completion credit for that quest without killing Dominica. If you're using the most recent version >>6795068 you should be able to talk to the Dean a 2nd time immediately after you get the kill-Dominica quest and he'll think she's already dead.
Yeah, it's a bit cheaty, but I'm not a fan of locking players out of content without warning (or alternatively, putting the entire Order storyline on hold for the ~100 days it takes to learn all Dominica's spells).
>>6795771
You need to buy 10 books to unlock the spellbooks. (Old ones get used up if you read them enough times, and you have to then buy new ones). I think there may be a second tier of book unlocks based on the code, but I'm not entirely sure if I'm misreading that or not.
Also, yes, AFAIK there is nothing game-breaking that should affect the save. Except maybe if you already have begun the quest to kill Dominica, the patch won't fix that.
>>6795778
>You need to buy 10 books to unlock the spellbooks.
Like, ten unique books? I have the book with indecent pictures, the piety book, the desert knowledge book, the swamp knowledge book, and I've bought 10 of the willpower book, and 20 of the intelligence book. I don't know what else I can buy.
Wait, are they spellbooks for the Basic spells? Because I already know all of those.
>>6795782
Ah, okay. You already unlocked the basic spellbooks. There's also some sort of necromancy tome you can get from the bookstore involving summoning a spirit guard dog, by sacrificing a puppy at the graveyard at midnight. I'm not sure if it works though, because I've never figured out how to summon it. (Maybe it's a thing for vampire players only?)
>>6795786
Should also add he won't offer the basic spellbooks to vampires, demons, or order folk. So if you can't see them for sale, that might be why,
>>6795791
Shit, wait, maybe my patch fixed that issue too. I can't remember.
I made the patch for my own play, not with the intent to distribute it, but I figured "hell, why not fix the annoyances for others, too?". So I'm not 100% sure what's in that patched version.
>>6795180
>>6795214
Yeah, everything just looks like trash. I mean, there's nothing wrong with playing a trashy whore, but looking trashy, living in a trashy world and talking to trashy people 24/7 is a bit grating. I would really appreciate more western or jap pictures and a cleaner translation.
>removing the optional beast
Naw nigga
>>6795486
>hashtag
>on /d/
Nigga
New FC update when?
>>6795524
Whorelock isn't abandoned, he's porting it into Twine. I suppose he'll add content when he's done.
>>6796073
>he can't handle the banter
I was just joking about the footfags, and the other guys issue seems to be real life pictures of animal abuse.
>>6795524
So, I removed Etocia because the dev put on hold the project and instead produce art commission. I'll add it back once a demo is available.
Slut is moved to the unfinished section, Nimin last update was like 3 years ago so I'll move it to unfinished as well.
About visual novel, I don't think there are so many /d/ visual novel which are translated. I do know several but most are untranslated or contain an unsatisfying amount of content. By that I mean 1 scene with tentacle isn't a /d/ VN.
I think VNs are welcome in this thread but they need to be in english and have a rich amount of /d/ porn.
>>6796061
Replaced it with a torrent
>>6795584
if you know /d/ VNs people will like, why not share them here?
>>6796076
Maybe I can't, idunno. I'm mostly readonly, but this shit has been going on for like a month maybe and it's really fucking obnoxious. Example would be when some anon thought FC lolimod is gift of gods and had to be posted in every thread and some other anons acted like it was the end of the world and that derailed threads and lead to shit discussions, which is why I'm going to shut the fuck up now and get back to readonly.
>>6796106
Because VNs aren't games.
>>6796108
Shitposters are going to shitpost. Most of the people posting about loli or furry don't care one way or the other, they just want to rile people up and argue.
>>6796112
Claiming so would imply cyoa text games aren't game either
>>6796108
>some anon thought FC lolimod is gift of gods and had to be posted in every thread
I never even played FC with or without the mod.
>>6796118
cyoas aren't but text games are
as long as there's some sort of logic loop, it's a game
>>6796106
https://vndb.org/r?q=;fil=plat-win.minage-18.released-1.lang-en;o=d;s=released
All games with English patches (partial or complete) in the 18+ category. There are literally hundreds.
You can search by specific fetish by going to Tags -> Theme -> Sexual Theme
Anyone got the latest TiT's backer build? Since it's probably going to take a bloody month or more for the free build.
>>6796076
>animal abuse
I'm not gonna be arguing about this point, but to blanket all beast as abuse is pretty incorrect.
Situations like mares presenting themselves to their owners or dogs tackling girls really fly in the face of that.
>>6796122
Seeing as cyoas have been posted here before and are also fairly common in places like TFGS then VNs should be fair game.
>>6796237
>to blanket all beast as abuse is pretty incorrect.
Are there situations in which is it moral for adults to fuck children?
>>6796259
Morally? Possibly would depend on a whole lot of shit. Legally? No.
>>6796259
Not him but
equating animals with children is equally stupid
>>6796223
Nobody has had it for the last ten threads, ask somewhere else
>>6796259
Are there situations in which it is moral to fuck puppies?
Sexual maturity and consent are two different worlds between humans and animals, comparing the two just creates confusion.
>>6796259
>>6796264
For example some rockstars fucked some 13 year old groupies in the 70s and 80s. That is clearly illegal, but I don't think there is anything morally wrong with that as long as both parties consented. A 13 year old is old enough to make an informed decision in that case for example imo.
However abusing power and tricking younger kids into sex or whatever is clearly morally wrong.
>>6796270
This is bait.
Can we just nip a stupid argument in the bud before it explodes this time?
>>6796271
So you think it should be legal for adults to fuck 13 year olds? I completely disagree, but at least your position is internally consistent. Going deeper than that would take up the whole thread.
>>6796272
>anything I disagree with must be bait
>nobody could possibly be foolish enough to disagree with someone as wise and educated as myself
>I'm pretty much perfect
>>6796282
This is a board about porn.
We were talking about the morality of creating and distributing certain kinds of porn.
>>6796283
>This is a board about porn.
drawn porn, which your discussion is not about
if it would be about the morality of drawing dogdicks then you would be right, it, however is not
So talk about drawn dog penises or leave and when you do the answer is clear, so stop whining
>>6796284
Then why aren't the people who discuss soviet girl sim being banned?
>>6796285
because the board might be about drawn porn but the thread is about hentai games with textgames as a grey area
So if you're not about to talk about the morality of writing down
>a girl is fucked by a dog
then leave
And yes, saying that writing that makes somebody a bad person or does any damage to the real world is retarded
>>6796197
Because it's +18 doesn't make it /d/ I took the time to skim through 15-20 pages, 99% is vanilla.
Using sexual content filters literally wipe all the english games to suggest untranslated games.
why are people arguing about shit that has nothing to do with porn?
>>6796294
>he can't into search engines
All you have to do is copy-paste the filter info from the URL bar.
So say you choose beast: https://vndb.org/g183
All you have to do is paste the filter settings from earlier onto the url. In this example, my filter was english language + very long game length, which is "?fil=length-5.lang-en". So I paste that onto the end, hit enter, and bam, the filter is applied instantly. Like so: https://vndb.org/g183?fil=length-5.lang-en
>>6793729
>Fisher Queen TF game
This is a pretty good start. Like other anons have commented there isn't a lot of content at the moment, but I like the idea.
>>6796300
This.
It has a sort of whimsical fantasy feel that I feel is missing in many such games.
>>6796299
He was right, all of them seem to be in moonspeak
>>6796299
Beside taimanin and Starless all the other VNs looks really bland. With little to no Hscenes.
And I wasn't filtering bes
>>6796291
>How would you redesign this russian text game that features RL pics? <- Okay.
>I'd do A, B, C, D, E and also get rid of the RL bestiality pics cause I don't think that shit is moral. <- Okay.
>Stop being a fetish elitist! <- Okay.
>I think he was talking about morality, bro. <- Okay.
>Fucking dogs is totally moral, and here are my arguments! <- Okay.
>I disagree, and here are my arguments. <- NOT OKAY!
>>6796298
>>6796283
>>6796300
Yeah, that game is fun. Been thinking about stealing the premise and turning it into a tabletop-style competitive RPG/management sim hybrid or something, with way more detail.
>>6796301
It can be fun sometimes, but I wouldn't want too many games to start adopting the tone of that and the boob tribe vs ass tribe game.
>>6796308
>but I wouldn't want too many games to start adopting the tone
Of course, variety is the spice of life.
>filter sex with monsters
>add english filter
wew there's a lot of VNs I'm sure I'll find some great stuff
>see this
lm fucking ao
>>6796308
You mean:
>(...)
>I think he was talking about morality, bro.
>Fucking dogs isn't black and white, here is an example!
>I disagree, fucking dogs is exactly like fucking children
>dude no cmon
>(cue shitstorm)
Now please stop.
Look at all this shit no one gives a shit about.
Get back to discussing games.
>>6796304
>>6796306
Christ, all this spoonfeeding. You guys...
Look, here's an example.
https://vndb.org/g988?fil=lang-en
Like any search engine, if you narrow the results too much you'll get no hits. Start broad, and narrow down only after you get too many results. You start too narrow and you just run into a brick wall of trial-and-error.
And since some of you can't be assed to try for more than ten minutes, more spoonfeeding: here's translations by DarkLillith, who translated *only* Bible Black/Starless/etc /d/ exclusive content games.
https://vndb.org/p364
I mean, put in a bit of effort before giving up to complain in the thread.
Where is Venture Engine guy. I wanna hear more wacky hijinks about spaghetti code.
>>6796315
>>fucking dogs is exactly like fucking children
>>6796317
I'm not complaining I'm just showing you facts. Have you bothered looking up the VNs you've just listed?
All the VNs listed in your link are borderline vanilla or have very little to no content.
I'm still waiting for the /d/ VNs you're claiming.
Also Cute Demon Crashers! is also listed in your list
>>6796326
>Taimanin Series
>Vanilla
Here's the character page for the first game's protagonist:
>Engages in (Sexual) Ahegao, Bestiality, Blowjob, Bodysponge, Boobjob, Deepthroat, Double Handjob, Feet Licking, Female Ejaculation, Gaping, Gokkun, Group Sex, Hairjob, Handjob, Lesbian Sex, Masturbation, Outdoor Sex, Peace Sign Ahegao, Public Masturbation, Sex in front of an Audience, Sex in Public Places, Sex with Monsters, Sex with Others, Sex with Tentacles (Consensual), Shoejob, Urination Fetish
>Subject of (Sexual) Anal Fingering, Anal Sex, Body Writing, Bondage Sex, Bukkake, Clamps (BDSM), Doggy Style, Double Penetration (Group Sex), Enema, Erotic Spanking, Forced Public Nudity, Huge Insertion, Inflated Belly, Multiple Penetration, Nipple Insertion, Nipple Teasers, Object Insertion, Reverse Piledriver, Seventh Posture, Sexual Blindfold, Single Hole Multiple Penetration, Spit-roast, Standing, Stuck-in-Wall Sex, Tominagi, Vaginal Fingering, Vibrator, Visible Cervix Penetration, Wooden Horse
That's one character from one game on that list. Did you even toggle the spoiler/sexual traits filters on the game page?
>>6796317
That's still 1% of the 99% featured in your list. Marunomi is already in the pastebin btw
>>6796322
Not any of the guys, but then explain what he/you(?) was/were trying to say with
>to blanket all beast as abuse is pretty incorrect.
>Are there situations in which is it moral for adults to fuck children?
The question presented is either entirely unrelated to what was quoted in the same post, right before the question nothing else references in that post, or it was equating bestiality with paedophilia. Now which option is more likely?
>>6796335
>There are no VNs for /d/
>Link to VNDB
>There's no way to filter the good stuff
>Filters are explained
>There's no way to filter the english good stuff
>Filters on tags are explained
>There's nothing d-tier on that list
>Provides an example
>That's only one! The rest of the list isn't d-tier!
>
Here's another character from another game on this list.
>Subject of Being Drugged, Gang Rape, Mind Control, Pillory, Rape, Torture, Whipping
Engages in (Sexual) Ahegao, Blowjob, Boobjob, Deepthroat, Footjob, Gaping, Gokkun, Group Sex, Handjob, Lesbian Sex, Nipple Sucking, Pantyjob, Scat, Sex in front of an Audience
>Subject of (Sexual) Anal Sex, Bukkake, Butterfly, Cowgirl, Doggy Style, Double Penetration (Group Sex), Hidden Vibrator, Multiple Penetration, Petplay, Piledriver, Sex Engine, Single Hole Multiple Penetration, Standing, Vaginal Fingering, Vibrator, Visible Cervix Penetration
I *was* going to post multiple character bios just to prove my point, but the second one was so long it EXCEEDED the 2000 character limit for 4chan posts. That's right, just two characters from two games on that list had so many /d/ tags I couldn't post them. And I won't link the games for you, because fuck your mouthbreathing lazy ass who can't bother to search for a new game for 10 minutes.
If 10 minutes is too much work for /d/ content, then you really aren't interested in finding new visual novels to play. It's not my problem in any case, since you're the one that's missing out on potentially new content.
>>6796336
My question was basically as follows:
"You say that fucking animals is sometimes okay. What moral justifications could you offer for that that would not also apply to adults fucking children?"
Then some other guy(?) said that he thought fucking 13 year olds was okay, and I decided not to follow up on that because if we disagreed on something as basic as that, any debate that followed would have taken up the entire thread as we would have to start debating even the basics of sexual and general morality.
>>6796345
>What moral justifications could you offer for that that would not also apply to adults fucking children?
Hence equating bestiality with paedophilia.
For any justification presented for bestiality to apply to paedophilia as well, you need to equate children with animals when it comes to mental capacity, mental development or sexual urges and sexual maturity.
Otherwise I am curious how it would ever apply to both, if we can agree to there being fundamental differences in those fields I have listed.
>>6796343
character bios proves nothing what really matter is the actual number of H-scene in the VN. There could be 1 scene in your VN featuring all of the fetish listed then nothing.
>>6796354
>Hence equating bestiality with paedophilia.
Comparing =/= equating. I don't know why so many people fail to realize that. There is no such thing as a perfect analogy. A perfect analogy would just be repetition.
>you need to equate children with animals when it comes to mental capacity
They would need to have similar mental capacity. They do.
>sexual urges
"I consented because I had an urge." is no different from consenting for any other reason.
>sexual maturity
If we had magic-tier sci-fi tech and could put a two year old child's brain in an adult body, do you think it would be moral to fuck her?
>>6796343
I dare you to list me 5 VNs with actual futanari porn. It must have more than 1 sex scene and more than 5 CG.
You can exclude in advance all the popular games like Uchuu Kaizoku Sara, Starless...
Remember when this thread used to be about discussing /d/related video games?
Why are there no games with sexy combat?
>>6796385
Night Games?
Boobjitsu Matriarch?
CoC?
Possibly TiTs?
>>6796385
>Why are there no games with sexy combat?
Because combat is pretty much opposite to idolized sexual contacts descrbied in 90% of hentai (and porn) perhaps?
What's everyone's /d/ream game?
Mine isn't /d/ at all technically. Just that girl life game but from a male pov.
[spoiler]I just want a life sim where I can be cool.[/spoiler]
>>6796390
A life-sim CYOA where you play as a trap.
>>6796382
For an analogy to work it needs to actually be analogous when it comes to the subject at hand and I fail to see how children and animals are in any way analogous when it comes to sex.
So you do need to equate them at least in that field, otherwise claiming it is analogous is baseless.
Granted, children and certain animals do have a similar mental capacity up to a certain age, but only up to a certain age and only certain animals.
However, their mental development is completely different and continues, whereas adult animals have completed their mental development. So that alone is reason enough to make a difference. You can influence and really mess up a kid for life, including the very chemistry of one's brain, whereas I don't see that happening to a dog (as long as we talk about simple intercourse).
Sexual maturity is not necessarily only the body being mature, but even if it were, I made a list for a reason and didn't just point to that one thing, but your question is conveniently ignoring the rest of the list and the very essence of the point I am making.
Consenting because you actually felt like it/had the natural urge to do it is fundamentally different to consenting because of manipulation, grooming, being conditioned to and other things of the sort.
I don't see how that difference can ever be denied.
>>6796385
>Remember when this thread used to be about discussing /d/related video games?
Not really, no.
There are always times that happens, but I think that's not really intentional.
>>6796401
>I fail to see how children and animals are in any way analogous when it comes to sex
Both are relatively small and are not very proactive...
N-not that I would know from first hand experience...
>>6796390
>Just that girl life game but from a male pov.
That would be horrible.
Fuck a girl and your sex skill is too low, so you don't satisfy her? He raped me.
Fuck a girl saying she is on birth control? Get stuck with child support.
Try to whore yourself out? Fuck only old or ugly chicks.
Also having to hit on 20 women to score with one? No, thanks.
>>6796385
You mean this thread is about games?
I thought this was the designated shitposting street.
>>6796405
>you will never doubleteam your daughter with the family cat
>>6796401
>I made a list for a reason and didn't just point to that one thing, but your question is conveniently ignoring the rest of the list and the very essence of the point I am making.
I addressed 3/4 of your list point-by-point.
>Consenting because you actually felt like it/had the natural urge
Morally, there is no difference between "I consented because I was horny" and "I consented because I was bored."
Or, for that matter, "I consented because X is a pretty cool guy and I wanted to cheer him up."
>Sexual maturity is not necessarily only the body being mature
That's generally how I've seen the term used.
>I fail to see how children and animals are in any way analogous when it comes to sex.
The fundamental question is: Is somebody with the intelligence of a 2 year old human child or a dog capable of giving informed consent to sex.
>>6796422
And on that topic, shouldn't HHS+ have the [Ict] [Mtf] [Mtc] and [Tfs] (sort of) tags, in addition to what it already has?
>>6796413
>I addressed 3/4 of your list point-by-point.
Only to forget about it when asking your "provocative" question, which completely missed the point of there being a list in the first place.
What leads you to assume you can just pick one thing from the list, change that and the rest of the list suddenly becomes irrelevant?
>Morally, there is no difference between "I consented because I was horny" and "I consented because I was bored."
Or, for that matter, "I consented because X is a pretty cool guy and I wanted to cheer him up."
There was more I wrote for a reason. None of what you wrote would normally be summed up as "other things of the sort" after the examples I gave.
>The fundamental question is: Is somebody with the intelligence of a 2 year old human child or a dog capable of giving informed consent to sex.
A human with that level of intelligence? No.
An animal? That's a whole different story and demanding "INFORMED consent" from an animal is absolutely laughable as it completely ignores the difference in mental capacity between animals and humans, misguidedly applying human standards to animals. You can't measure them both to the same standard. It's again equating humans and animals where they are not equal.
We can maybe talk about actual "informed" consent when it comes to primates and the like, but even then it would need some serious discussion about their mental capacity and what informed consent actually is as opposed to mere consent.
>>6796431
welp never took the time to play it, can you confirm the game features such fetishes?
tfw playing a normal video game and disappointed at the dialogue options compared to porn games
>>6796431
Already has LCT, even though there's practically no content for it
Mental Change and or Corruption, pick one.
There's no content in place for Male to Female, and while it IS possible, it would be Male to Futa and Female to Futa and Futa to FM
tfs is covered under Brg and Geg, outside of that and the Futa transformation, there are no TFs
>>6795249
I know that this is offtop, but damn you reminded me something i wanted to share for a while. I am Russian. When i was 12 year old i've accidentally got my hands on old ( definety pre-soviet) book with rare russian fairy tails.
Dat fairy tales are friggin brutal.
One i still partally remember for example:
Be girl. Dying mom gives you "blessed" wodoo doll whispering with her voice. Father gets married again. Stepmather is a bitch, who wants you dead cause you are sexy and her daughters are not. Gives you bullshit tasks as close to forest as possible hoping that beasts or bandits to deal with ya. Wodoo doll mom helps you to survive. Father is trading somewhere so he cant protect ya. Eventually the bitch manages to invent some real task to make you dead, sending you to baba yaga (canibal forest witch) to rent a freaking light. Go to forest. Accidentally meet and talk casually with 3 doom riders without giving a single fuck. Find Baba Yaga, who lives in the house made of human bones. Get enslaved. Work for her for mnth or something, barely surviving with wodoo mom help. Baba Yaga eventually figures out you are blessed and tells you to GTFO, giving you a glowing skull staff. Go home. Skull starts talking with you, and asks to give him peace by burying him. Say you need him to give your stepmather fire first. You go home ang "give your stepmather fire" by burning her and her bitches alive with lasers coming from your skull staff. Keep your word and bury the skull. run from the house. Become a tailor. Local king likes your suits and decides to marry you. Become a fucking princess with wodoo skills. Happy fucking end.
>>6796480
>Local king likes your suits and decides to marry you.
Fucking ruined otherwise perfect story.
>>6796390
Yeah
I'd like something like cursed/girl life but content complete and not reliant on wikis to play
Also more dominant stuff rather than being raped all the time which is what most tfgames boil down to
I don't really care which gender I play as but I wouldn't mind playing as a male with some tf stuff going on even if it is just cock growth
>>6796422
Last time I tried to play HHS+ I flat out couldn't find the porn
Is it still heavily reliable on you reading guides to work out what to do?
>>6795363
>>6794997
Yeah, he's a great dude
I've been going through tfgames myself but it's an awful site to search
Only thing close to promising I've found is some superheroine based game with awful cg art (Miss Adventure) but it seems to require a lot of play to get to the porn and I haven't got there yet
>>6796483
Agreed. Guess, such plot twist is a prehistoric form of fansevice for little girls.
>>6796496
>prehistoric
harsh
>>6796485
Worse, now it actually has management of school time tables as well.
Legit spend like an hour sometimes just trying to set up timetables for 6 or 7 classes.
>>6796504
I love it.
Still wondering why I don't get to balance check books or fill out IRS forms in those games. That'd be features generating you hours of content. They really need to get all the school administration stuff in at least.
>>6796519
>Being a spreadsheet nerd
You should really look into playing some 4X or grand strategy games. That's basically what they boil down to (and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense, I'm one of those same nerds myself).
>>6796545
I wasn't exactly serious.
I don't really like to play games having me do radically simplified versions of my job. I have to juggle enough spreadsheets as is.
But hey, if that's your kind of game, just have fun with it. I chose this field because I like doing it, so I can understand, it's just not my idea of recreation anymore ever since it became my job.
Just as an aside, my own comment reminded of that guy saying he has a bureaucracy fetish.
>>6796383
Futa games are quite common, anon.
>>6796585
It's a spoonfeeding request anon, that's why he explicitly asked for only games he doesn't know of. Ignore him.
>>6796441
>Only to forget about it when asking your "provocative" question
I explained how they are either irrelevant or comparable.
>There was more I wrote for a reason. None of what you wrote would normally be summed up as "other things of the sort" after the examples I gave.
"sexual urges" was one of the entries on your list of "reasons why they are not comparable". I explained that it is not relevant because feeling arousal or other sexual urges does not determine somebodies ability to consent.
>demanding "INFORMED consent" from an animal [...] completely ignores the difference in mental capacity between animals and humans
Actually, it does the exact opposite. It takes into account the fact that much like human children, animals can not give informed consent.
>>6796595
I know, I just found it strange that he requested a very common genre that he could find himself quite easily. I could understand trying to bait someone into spoonfeeding if you wanted an obscure fetish, but why futa?
>>6796597
Fuck off, anon. No one cares about your blatant shitposting. You can't even form a coherent argument but that other retard keeps replying to you anyway.
>>6796603
Some anons just aren't web-literate enough to work search filters? Or are just that lazy.
Searching up common fetishes and very rare ones are just a difficult in terms of knowing how to use the VNDB filters.
>>6796607
>I disagree with you
>That must mean you're shitposting!
Shove it up your cunt, hypocrite.
>>6796597
Who are you even arguing with? It can't really be me as you keep completely missing any point I am making. Or do you just do that on purpose?
>>6796613
I understand your arguments perfectly well. They're just stupid.
I am thinking about making a loli omorashi game so if anyone has any ideas for it I would like to hear them.
>>6796611
I haven't stated any opinions at all. Your entire argument is "BUT CHILDREN ARE NOT HUMANS SHUT UP YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION"
You're not making a proper argument at all and your posts are obviously just designed to rile people up. It's just shitposting.
>>6796620
>loli omorashi
too specific and relies on art
>>6796621
>BUT CHILDREN ARE NOT HUMANS
Protip: In order for a strawman to be effective, it has to at least superficially resemble somebodies position.
>>6796617
Then why do you intentionally miss any point I am making when trying to argue against me? Is it your idea of fun to "argue" like that?
I'd also be careful who I'd call stupid were I the one trying to draw the parallels between children and animals.
>>6796625
What do you mean?
>>6796626
Your argument is that there is no difference between human children and animals such as dogs.
>>6796630
Not that guy, but I'd argue there's hardly much difference between adult humans and animals on average.
>>6796635
Yes there is, and you saying otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge.
Plus only one of the listed groups have conquered a planet.
Gee, who would have thought that the thread would devolve into pedo shitposting once again :)))))))
>>6796628
>Then why do you intentionally miss any point I am making when trying to argue against me?
I could say the exact same thing to you and it would be just as cheap a derailment tactic. Either offer a real counterargument or shut up.
I can practically hear the desperation in your voice.
>haha you're so wrong and I'm so right. I mean come on it's 2016. anyone who disagrees with me is just a troll. why do you love shitposting so much, troll?
>>6796630
>Your argument is that there is no difference between human children and animals such as dogs.
See >>6796626.
My position is as follows:
Children do not possess the knowledge and intelligence needed to give informed consent.
Animals do not possess the knowledge and intelligence needed to give informed consent.
>>6796642
Learn to read, I said on average. Physically they are identical, meaning of single creature's life in terms of global population is almost non-existent. They are also gulliable and easy to manipulate. Live mostly by instincts. The only reason why you overrate humanity is because you are a part of it.
>>6796644
>Animals do not possess the knowledge and intelligence needed to give informed consent.
Not the guy you're having a slapfight with, but:
https://vndb.org/g1996
>Tag: Consensual Sex with Animals
https://vndb.org/g1644
>Tag: Consensual Sex With Monsters
Kek. But seriously, if you two are arguing about real-life stuff, don't do it on /d/. It's for fictional works.
>>6796644
And someone else already stated that you're a fucking idiot for that statement. There is a fundamental difference between humans and non-humans. Your statement means that you believe that there is no difference between the two groups.
>>6796652
Look at /hgg/ some time, anon. Futa VNs are released all the time.
>>6796629
Thats what I feel like about game, centred around watersports.
>>6796652
>I would actually be surprised if you could list more than the two futa games I mentioned
You're not even trying any more, are you?
>>6796646
You underrate humanity because you're an edgy teenager who wants to be cool. Humans conquered this goddamn planet. Humans have mapped the stars. If you put a human and a tiger in a pit, the tiger will win most of the time, but a group of humans will defeat a tiger 100% of the time. Why? Because humans are much more intelligent than any other species on this planet.
>>6796656
So make it less like a visual novel than.
>>6796644
>Either offer a real counterargument or shut up.
You go first then. Live by your own standards, pal.
>>6796655
Why aren't they being discussed here than? Wouldn't that belong here as well?
It's not being discussed because:
-there aren't that many games in english with actual porn content about futanari.
-Most of the time there will be maybe 1 scene of 2 CGs about it the rest will be vanilla shit.
I chose the most basic /d/ fetish and yet I'm not seeing much of it being discussed here or on hgg or hgg2d or whatever other porn forum.
>>6796666
>broke off the discussion and tried to derail
You mean like how you two have been derailing the THREAD for hours? God damn it, are there no janitors online for /d/ today?
>>6796666
One is a human and one is not a human. All of our laws and protections only go so far as to protect humans, so it doesn't matter about the intelligence of animals.
You are saying that none of that matters and that there is no difference between human children and non-humans.
>>6796659
Nice strawman, I'm still talking about single man's life. Humanity is somewhat alright as whole, but it still consists of dumb and deranged individuals, whose life won't ever have any meaning or reasonable value. Just as some animal's life won't.
And if you want an example of outstanding animals, take a look at ants. Millions of years of evolution turned them into pretty extreme social organism, which will almost certainly outlive humans may anything at all happen.
>>6796657
The burden of proof is on you. You are claiming there are futa porn game all over vndb and I have yet to see people discuss about them here or on hgg.
>>6796670
>in english
Exactly. /hgg/ is willing to play Japanese games but the people in this thread piss themselves when they see a moonrune, so in this general we only discuss things that are against the rules of this board.
>>6796676
>You are claiming there are futa porn game
Did I? I recall the original topic was, and I quote, "d-tier games". You're the one who pressed the assumption that /d/ = futa only.
>>6796677
So we both agree that there are little to no games or VNs delivering a satisfying amount of /d/ content and with english translation.
>>6796607
Anon who posted that, I don't know if you actually opened the link but there like ten games listed. Hardly what I would call a lot.
>>6796666
I didn't accuse you of shitposting, I accuse you of completely missing the point I was making.
You still fail to see how applying a standard made for humans to animals where animals can never meet that standard is doomed to fail.
How can anyone truly think there is any sense in doing that?
>>6796685
That's correct, I have never once seen content that's allowed to be posted on /d/ being discussed in this general.
>>6796672
But that's wrong, bestiality is illegal in 37 states and is legal considered animal abuse, the phrase that started this shitpost avalanche.
>>6796695
*legally considered
Ah, here it is. This is where the confusion is coming from.
>>6796335
This anon is saying, "99% of the games aren't /d/ content" when it appears he *actually* means futa exclusively >>6796383.
That's why he's claiming all these games with stuff like watersports, exhibitionism, gangrape, enema, torture, and other /d/ content "isn't /d/". He's misconstruing the meaning of /d/ to mean futa-only.
>>6796695
It is considered animal abuse because you are abusing and animal. You'll get fined, but not prison time. Abusing a child is a much harsher punishment because humans tend to like humans. Because we are humans, it is reasonable to apply human standards to this situation.
Also, want to guess how many US states it is legal to rape a child in? Zero. I fail to see how your statistic has made your point any stronger.
>>6796672
>You are saying that none of that matters
Yes, I'm saying that:
>One is a human and one is not a human.
Is a truism that contributes nothing.
and that
>All of our laws and protections only go so far as to protect humans, so it doesn't matter about the intelligence of animals.
Is just a statement about the status quo (and not even an accurate one).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem
>and that there is no difference between human children and non-humans.
Jesus fuck. I'm saying that neither possesses the knowledge and intelligence needed to give informed consent. Since that doesn't seem to register, here's an analogy:
"All animals are made up of cells."
"Are you saying that squids and elephants are exactly the same? That's stupid!"
>>6796689
>I didn't accuse you of shitposting, I accuse you of completely missing the point I was making.
>Then why do you intentionally miss any point I am making when trying to argue against me? Is it your idea of fun to "argue" like that?
Sounds like an accusation of shitposting to me.
>You still fail to see how applying a standard made for humans to animals where animals can never meet that standard is doomed to fail.
I'm not applying a standard that nobody can pass. I'm applying the standard to all sentient beings, and some members of that group can pass.
>>6796695
And care to remind us in how many states paedophilia is illegal and considered child abuse?
>>6796702
>informed consent
And everyone else is calling you stupid because a dog doesn't need to be informed because it isn't human.
Also, shitty analogy, because you're arguing that one is as bad as the other because "neither possesses the knowledge and intelligence needed to give informed consent." To fix your analogy, it would be like you arguing that taking an antibiotic is just as bad as murder because either way you're killing millions of cells.
>>6795074
fucking love cocktongues
>>6796688
I think >>6796700 makes a good point, that's why there's such a strong fight over it. Spoonfeedme anon's definition of /d/ is extremely narrow (futa only), while spoonfeeder anon's definition includes all /d/ themes on the board. So spoonfeeder is probably correct, there are likely 10-30 translated VNs of /d/ material, possibly more depending on what you define as /d/ material.
>>6796701
You claimed that the law only applied to humans
>that is incorrect
You are now saying that since they are punished with differing severity that they completely different
>that is moving the goalpost
This such a shitty attempt at an argument I've to wonder if this is just /aco/ shitpost raid. I hope it is anyway.
>>6796702
That was after you were saying you are getting my point, so the only other possibility is you missing it on purpose.
You basically accused yourself of shitposting based on the options I gave you.
>sentient beings
Now that's a whole new can of worms you are opening. There is a reason this term is heavily debated when talking about animal rights.
It's also still retarded to apply a standard made for a species with very specific, highly advanced skills to any other species of animals not even coming close to this skill.
You wouldn't claim a dog is mentally handicapped for scoring 0 on an IQ test made for humans either, would you?
>>6796701
The matter of "is raping a dog wrong, and if so, how does it stack up against other moral wrongs" is different from the matter of "is doing X to a dog rape".
>>6796707
>a dog doesn't need to be informed because it isn't human.
Because it's 2016!
>you're arguing that one is as bad as the other
Nope. I'm arguing that both are morally wrong.
>>6796717
>You basically accused yourself of shitposting based on the options I gave you.
Nah, I just pointed out that your position was stupid, and then you said that the only possible reason why I would disagree with you was because I was shitposting.
>There is a reason this term is heavily debated when talking about animal rights.
I don't think the idea of dogs and horses and such being sentient is all that controversial.
>You wouldn't claim a dog is mentally handicapped for scoring 0 on an IQ test made for humans either, would you?
Would you give a dog a drivers license if he performed really well on the driver's test -for a dog-? I mean, it's relative, amirite?
>>6796726
No, I said the only possible reason you would argue like that was that you are missing my point entirely. You were the only one of us two accusing anyone of being stupid here.
>I don't think the idea of dogs and horses and such being sentient is all that controversial.
It is though and heavily depends on the definition of sentience.
>Would you give a dog a drivers license if he performed really well on the driver's test -for a dog-?
That logic is so fucked, I have trouble even beginning.
My entire point is humans and animals are not equal. You don't measure a dogs driving skill because there is no point in doing so to begin with.
By your logic you would have to issue the dog a drivers license, if he passes the test designed for a human (and with enough training and a lot of luck he just might). I still wouldn't issue him the license then.
You can replace dog with chimpanzee or other great ape or such if that is more realistic for you, but I have seen videos of dogs trained to drive a car (slowly and obviously not on a regular road).
A chimpanzee would actually do really well on learning the multiple choice test by heart. Should you let him drive though? No.
>>6796712
Not quite I used futa as a symbolic exemple to summarize the lack of content.
Of course there are 10-30 translated VNs featuring X or Y fetish but once you're starting to dig around and play the actual 10-30 VNs you'll find out that most will toss the lactation tag (exemple) for 1 scene with 3 CG of a girl getting fucked by tentacles while getting milked.
OK there's 1 scene about that stuff the rest of the content is obsolete. Now I ask the question is this enough to stamp a fucking lactation tag or even the tentacle. Will you bother reading a VN feature 1 scene of 3 CG you want to fap to? I'd go to exhentai desu.
>>6796713
It's not moving the goalposts at all. I said that laws regarding humans only apply to humans. The laws regarding animals are completely different and not even universally accepted.
Ok lets all move on with the actual thread and discuss games instead of arguing about morality. There isn't even a consensus on morality as a whole in the philosophical world so you aren't going to reach one on this topic so just agree to disagree.
Anyone got any recommendations for TFgame site games not in the pastebin?
>>6796596
That's where are the VNs and where are the specified CGs? There is none because that's a list of characters identified as futanari. They could be background protagonist of any VNs with no dedicated Hscenes.
vndb is a shit site for tasteless weebs anyway
>>6796768
>agree to disagree
That's what the losers always say.
>>6796768
This Parasite Infection guy posted about his game once and since he's been active on the tfgsite. He's developping his game ( parasite infection ) at a decent pace. I think the content is ok but there is still room for improvement. It's also his first attempt at making a game on twine.
>>6796746
>It is though and heavily depends on the definition of sentience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
"Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively."
>You don't measure a dogs driving skill because there is no point in doing so to begin with.
We don't waste time with the actual test because we know he'd fail. That's why we don't give him a license.
>By your logic you would have to issue the dog a drivers license, if he passes the test designed for a human
Yes, but with a caveat:
>and with enough training and a lot of luck he just might
If a normal dog could pass such a test through luck, the test is flawed. A proper test would have to measure: his ability to pilot a vehicle, his ability to memorize and apply the rules of the road, his ability to understand the responsibility that comes with the privilege, and every other requirement we have before somebody is allowed to drive a car.
>A chimpanzee would actually do really well on learning the multiple choice test by heart.
Can he read the questions and show an understanding of the actual concepts behind the words? Does he have the perceptiveness, precision, and reflexes needed to function in traffic? Can he understand the risks inherent in driving a car? Can he be held legally responsible for reckless endangerment and the like?
>>6796779
Oh hey /an/, are you bugguy?
