People keep commenting how interesting the world and lore is of this show, but I'm having a hard time seeing this. I mean its basically a watered down version of twin peaks mixed with low brow Simpsons humor. Many of the characters are one dimensional stereotypes with little depth or creativity.
So what am i missing?
>>82388906
It was interesting but the ending ruined it by not really calling back to any of it and making it insignificant
>>82388906
Shut up and post weird Gravity Falls pornography.
>>82388906
When it first aired there weren't that many good cartoons so a lot were pleasantly surprised. The mystery of the town interested a lot of people here and on other sites, especially the wheel at the end of the intro along with who the author was so everyone started to discuss their theories and share fan art of their waifu. Somehow people deluded themselves into thinking that the characters were deep. The fandom really picked up IIRC at the Dreamscapers episode, because Bill seemed to be an interesting villain. After his appearance the theories grew and fandom content accelerated while we waited for season 2 which was pretty great IMO for the first half.
People lost interest starting with Roadside Attraction and realized it was just another kids show, well here anyway. I don't think most of us here liked the humor but we liked the mystery and cute girls. I think its a 6/10 show at best but it did seem to try with the mystery for awhile.
So it was popular here because of the mediocre mystery but will be remembered for it's wasted potential and cute girls.
>>82390283
>So it was popular here because of the mediocre mystery but will be remembered for it's wasted potential and cute girls.
Yep, anon just missed the hype wagon so he won't know
It was kinda funny and mixing it with horror was relatively fresh. Sibling dynamics was nice, at first.
It was enjoyable for what it is, although it did trick us to think it might be something more.
>>82390283
This is a pretty good synopsis of what happened.
It does seem that there really was a more ambitious three season plan at some point that got scrapped along the way too.
Even then the hiatuses and codes and clues built up fan speculation to such a fever pitch that maybe nothing could be satisfying. But it does kind of feel cut short and incomplete anyway.
>>82388906
The lore had potential to be interesting but it never really went anywhere.
I agree the characters aren't particularly deep but I found them enjoyable for the most part. Especially Stan, he's great. My biggest problems with them was Dipper could be boring, Mabel could be annoying, and the attempts at character development often fell flat.
>>82388906
Isn't there an SU version of this post?
The well thought-out Stan mystery in the background rused us into thinking there were more well thought-out mysteries in the background. But there wasn't.
>>82390558
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>>82388906
>watered down version of twin peaks
The show with a premise and focus on a murder mystery tied to the infidelity, deception and corruption rampant in the community?
If all you took from TP was its supernatural framing you have a watered down sense of comprehension.
>>82390283
>The fandom really picked up IIRC at the Dreamscapers episode, because Bill seemed to be an interesting villain.
Maybe the thing that pissed me off the most was I felt they scutted his potential with the way the lolzrandum apocalypse played out. He was more interesting before that.
>>82390673
I still don't know how they thought making him a frat boy was a good idea.
>>82390673
What was so interesting about him? He was lolrandum from the beginning.
He really shouldn't have been the final boss.
>>82390725
>What was so interesting about him?
The other-dimensional sort of angle and the conspiracy theory jokes were more interesting. Also his understanding of the other characters' psychology as a way to get under their skins and general sadism in the earlier episodes. No of that or the chessmaster-manipulation elements popped up in the finale after all. He also sounded more interesting in the AMA and ciohers.
Hell the Flatland thing is pretty interesting but that wasn't really in it either.
Guess i was good for something...
>>82390857
WHOOPS NEVER MIND MEMORIES BACK TY FOR TEH FEELZ BRB MAKING FOX SITCOM #446545
>>82390857
>>82390899
I still can't believe he did that copout.
>>82388906
twincest
>>82390857
>>82390899
>>82390958
After all the shit Stan went through, it was kind of nice seeing him get a happy ending.
>>82388906
Here’s the secret. Creating “interesting lore” distracts people from poor writing.
>>82391729
don't summon that one guy who successfully single-handedly got the other thread deleted
because if you ever don't like a thread now you can show up and be just one guy posting CP and get it pruned
>>82392149
Are we talking real CP or dipper and mabel fucking CP?
>>82392271
It was just that stupid drawing with Mabel taking her clothes off again. ANd I understand why the thread was deleted it just sucks that if someone is willing to play around with IPs or wait out bans they can just nuke a thread whenever they want now. I get that the thread needs to get deleted at that point though.
>>82391753
>After all the shit Stan went through, it was kind of nice seeing him get a happy ending.
Yeah I agree. Although I also see how it drained that part of some of its impact. Maybe he should have recovered it over more time than five minutes to meet things halfway and give it a little more weight.
I don't think having a sad ending to a kids' cartoon would be good though.
>>82390723
I don't why but honestly a part of me really enjoyed the 'evil mastermind is actually just a pissy dick' thing.
>>82392678
>le SU/GF rivalry meme
Someone made a thread for SU too.
>>82392717
By biggest problem was he didn't do much, he just kind of sat around, well literally just sat around actually like they didn't know wtf to do with him then in the narrative
>>82392810
Yeah I think that's it, I don't mind that he was bigging himself up because he was a filthy liar but I do wish he had been more active.
I mean y ye ah GF is pretty shit.
>>82391753
He could've still had that happy ending, it's not like he dies. Ford could've went around the world with him in an attempt to find a cure for him, while living out Stan's dream. It would've been a bit bittersweet, but far more effective and touching.
I cant stop fapping to the intro of this show
>>82392631
I spent most of the show's existence on Tumblr and hoooooly shit. You have no idea what Stan was slated for, according to the fandom there, and we ended up being sort of right. He did burn.
>>82391753
Yeah, but I still can't believe even a show like Gravity Falls would pull such a dumb cliche of everyone being happy in the end and everything goes back to normal
>>82395333
While this is nice, one has to wonder how long a body wiped of all mental things can survive. Would he have died? Would he have been just comatose?
>>82398995
>I spent most of the show's existence on Tumblr
I can tell because those theories were widespread here too.
>>82389827
Not porn, but it was in the show...
>>82399301
Which one was the worst one, in your opinion then? Sorry for making assumptions.
>>82399179
Even with all the black comedy and occasional horror, GF never really struck me as a pessimistic or heavily cynical show. So a happy ending isn't completely baffling.
>>82393694
No, it's just the second half was very underwhelming.
>>82399237
The gun only wipes memories, nothing else. Otherwise McGucket would've died a long time ago.
>>82399627
Specific things, specific memories. But the gun was set to erase "STANLEY PINES"; what does that entail?
>>82390283
Yep. Pretty much.
The mystery died when it became clear it all came down to Bill and Ford, which didn't explain much about the lore anyway. One of the last episodes even had Ford suggesting that Gravity Falls was a magnet of weirdness by having attracting a UFO in the past, but like everything else that wasn't Bill, it got sidelined and quickly forgotten.
>>82388906
So does /co/ like GF?
Did it ever love GF?
>>82390283
>2012
>Motorcity
>Tron Uprising
>Avengers EMH
>GL:TAS
>YJ
>Transformers Prime
>AT
>MLP
>Not that many good cartoons
>>82400681
To be fair, they didn't really get a lot of attention at the time due to either being locked to XD or some other reason (like with GL was due to the movie). Gravity Falls had nothing holding it back since it spent all of its first season on the main channel.
>>82400229
/co/ loved it too much in all honesty.
>>82388906
So are we going to ignore how Gravity Falls is a Twin Peaks rip off?
>>82388906
that's all it is for me, the humor. fuck the rest. i come in for the humor and the fun silly characters
For the love of god, somebody make a nude edit of pic related
>>82402825
Humour and porn, and theorizing about different AUs where the crazy we thought of became reality.
>>82391933
Nah, GF proves that just HINTING at "interesting lore" is enough, you don't even need to fill it out well.
anyone still have the old /gfg/ OP?
>>82390673
this
I just pretend the show ended with the season 1 finale and remember it fondly for what could have been
>>82403013
It would have ended in Weirdmageddon in movie form.
>>82403013
No, for me it ended right after AToTS. Then everything is up for grabs.
People keep commenting how fresh the idea of this show, but I'm having a hard time seeing this. I mean its basically Stuck in the Middle as a cartoon. Many of the characters are one dimensional stereotypes with little depth or creativity.
So, what am I missing?
>>82403040
NOT IN MY IMAGINATION ZONE, ANON
>>82403157
>gf season 1 ends
>disney cancels show because they're a pack of retards
>HBO or someone picks it up
>gold tier animation and better content after a few years in the pipe
>>82390283
>Bill seemed to be an interesting villain
When?
>>82403270
When he had a screaming head level of psycho. When he actually seemed like a true demon sociopath and not a FUCKING FRAT BOY
>>82388906
>So what am i missing?
You missed the happenings that's for damn sure. I enjoyed this show on /co/ from Double Dipper all the way until the end. Didn't miss a thread and it was worth it.
>>82391933
What do you mean "poor writing"?
What particular aspect of the writing do you think is poor?
>>82403584
>When he actually seemed like a true demon sociopath
So, never?
>>82403757
>this
jezz /gfg/ was very comfy, I think I miss it along classic pre-jailbreak /sug/
>>82403916
Ripping out deer's teeth is pretty mean, forcible (and apparently painful) possession, random pain for shits and giggles, good old fashioned manipulation. Maybe it's just worse in my eyes, but as far as I know nobody IRL would do that but a crazy. You do have to remember it is still a kid's show, but without the dumbed-down cartoony restrictions he'd have been pretty fucking terrifying.
>>82403937
It was, was for the Pacifica and Dipper shipping and glad we got NWM. I'm glad it got an ending, though I wish we got one more season. Plan on doing a full rewatch in the summer.
>>82404125
Maybe it's existence of The Beast, who actually felt like a demon sociopath, blinds me but even Bill's darkest moments feel more like dark comedy to me than something even slightly creepy.
>>82404256
The Beast just felt like Death or Despair to me, not a demon-- grim and inevitable as opposed to clever and wicked. And it had to be comedy. I wouldn't say OTGW is actually targeted to children like GF was. OTGW just existed, and was perfect and beautiful.
>>82404433
OtGW is overrated tumblr garbage.
>>82404433
There had to be some balance between horror and comedy. Bill just never felt like a threat to me.
>>82404571
I personally remember the first time ever seeing Bill, and having Bill do his thing, and I was just, "Holy shit it's Crowley, but a triangle", and then I was wrong. Again! It is targeted at KIDS. Lil ones. My six year old sister watched the show. She wanted to marry Bill. I don't think that would have happened if GF was on AdultSwim or something, because they could have gone through without needing the comedy to un-spoop everyone.
I really wish he would have straight-up killed one of the kids, or wish they would have shown some kind of trauma. But hey, wishful thinking.
>>82404671
I get that it's targeted at kids. Thing is, he has no presence as a villain whatsoever. Megabyte was a part of a cartoon targeted at kids too, even had some humor to him in early seasons and he still felt like a force to be reckoned with. Bill's just sold to us as a mighty demon, but he never feels anything more than a low-level threat.
>we never got to see pacifica really mature into her role beyond her catharsis episode
>we never get to see her join the mystery squad and go on adventures
>we literally don't even see her at all after NWMM, except for a few shitty cameos in the finale
>we never get to seepadippica become canon
>>82404433
OtGW was targeted at children. It just broke a mould a bit at what is acceptable to target at children in American cartoon. All sorts of shit is acceptable to target at children if it's not American cartoon.
>>82404671
There's no reason for him to not be both funny and threatened. There was no reason for him to not be interesting. Hirsch just dropped the ball later in the show.
>>82404784
I'll agree they definitely could have done much better in making him a threat, an actual thing to be worried about, and I think there should have been more direct intervention by the triangle, but at the same time doing so would have ruined some of the 'must be summoned' bit. And that's something OTGW does much better than GF, in my opinion, though it is shorter. You see the beast far more frequently, he's mentioned, he's known.
In all honesty, working with a demon that must be summoned is quite the Catch-22 situation. He has to be summoned, so somehow you have to know about him; but if too many people know about him, then they know to work and warn against him, and that careful balance of a Bloody Mary-like urban legend, that stupid kids might try, but only a few will ever make, didn't happen. So he could have been much, MUCH better.
Perhaps I'm just romanticizing what definitely is my fave cartoon, maybe I'm tainted by fandom. I'll admit that freely.
>>82404888
OTGW seemed targeted at older kids, but maybe I'm wrong.
Hirsch fucked up just about everything after AToTS. That's why, as far as I'm concerned, the show was only good through that episode. There were highlights from TLM and the WMG arc, but AToTS is where it really shifted.
I wish they'd spent the time they used on Roadside Attraction on really rounding the arc.
>>82405008
Time was not the issue. They just needed to write better writing.
>>82404865
Paz needed more screentime, she really did. She could have been far more interesting than Candy or Grenda, but, oh well.
>never really saw dipifica being a thing desu, but then again I like deer porn
>>82405047
Agreed, they fucked up everything after AToTS. I think it is in part rushed from Hirsch moving on, and in part the actual shit writing that those episodes had. Season 2.5 was bullshit. Hands down the worst thing about the series.
>>82388906
Mystery Inc., truly was, and always shall be, the superior show.
>>82388906
It went to shit around the same time the Twin Peaks revival was announced, and people realized they didn't need it anymore.
>>82404452
>>82404452
>>82404571
The only time he seemed like a threat to me was in the last episode, where he straight up said he'd kill those kids.
At that time, out of all his screen time, I finally went
"Oh, shit. He's actually going to kill them."
>>82404865
I remember being so excited for that shipping and how canon it seemed at first...
anyone has the link we used to have in gfg to download the episodes? I want to rewatchit again
>>82404452
That's okay mister! Being overrated means we have more ratings than I think we'd get!
>>82390283
I imagine the hiatuses are largely to blame for the fandom putting way too much stock in mysteries that would never possibly satisfy them.
I never really cared for the mystery part. It's nice, but i enjoyed the sibling relationships, the humor, growing up themes, the art/animation. All that stuff. It has a really good consistency overall with no really bad episodes (people hate roadside attraction for being unfair to dipper but even that had worthwhile parts to it). It's a good show, sometimes great.
>>82404256
>>82404433
They both take from the same source, the devil in American cultural consciousness. The Beast is a classic New England type, a malevolent entity that tempts and takes those who leave the safety of the good parts of the world. Bill Cypher is Old Scratch mixed with a used car salesman.
>>82388906
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
WHOA WHOA WHOA
>>82403009
http://pastebin.com/ppuUqAh1
>>82405564
>but i enjoyed the sibling relationships
>growing up themes,
But those also went to shit.
>>82405564
Agreed as to the hiatuses.
I came in too late for the s1 mysteries, sadly, but yeah. I remember just, everyone fucking screaming all the time. Does anyone remember Grunkle4Grandpa? Like that thing had a whole movement, still does.
Nah, I hate Roadside Attraction for letting the hype train speed up with its at-the-time relative irrelevance. Love it for the same reason.
>>82405580
Not necessarily New England, but just an older form of devil, a more fey form of devil. You don't step off the path for fear of them, kind of devil.
Bill is a crossroads devil, which is why he's good for the teenage-crossroads. And either way, as far as I understood he was kinda supposed to represent the fears of growing up too- being alone, peer groups, the future and fear of possibility and change.
>bill is Bud Gleeful
This promo was too good for this episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kYdeZRRbQI
It made us think the wheel meant something.
>>82405140
Is that even hard? Mystery Inc. never pandered to tumblr.
>>82405756
It almost did. I'm glad it just remained a summoning circle. If they care-beared Bill to death I would have just. wew
>>82405185
We never needed GF though.
>>82405725
By "New England" I meant that Puritan/early American folklore version.
Bill's actually closer to Gideon as far as characterization and character type.
>>82405857
Ah, yeah, true. That I get. That's also where it's set, so no doubt there was influence there.
Well yes, but Gideon is a magic charlatan and Bud runs a used car lot too. It was just meant to be humour.
If I can just put this out there, I heard a lot circulating that in the Sock Opera episode, Bill was actually supposed to have befriended Dipper, instead of just tricking him. I think that would have been neat, if a bit weird because of later Ford parallels, but seeing a continuity of an emotionally manipulative Bill would have been cool. I think it would have done much more, as opposed to just making him tricksy-ish.
>>82388906
Most anons explained it well. Honestly the hiatuses were the slow poison that murdered it for me. I can only keep my interested vested for so long. The mystery kinda fooled me. Not in the good way, mind you. I expected more from it, not really sure why, considering there's shit like aliens, time travel, and inter-dimensional demons. But when it finally came time for the ending, the mystery just felt shallow. Hell at that point there was no mystery, they showed us all their cards with the author's true identity and there wasn't much beyond that. The final episodes should have been some sort of epic reveal not a fucking mecha-house fight and bullshit not-really-self-sacrifice.
Then again, it was a kid's show, and maybe it was never about the mystery. Idk anon, I think I'm just tired of expecting some bigass contemporary paranormal/magic/someshit universe in a cartoon medium to come along.which is why I'm trying to make one
And Grenda stayed for too damn long. Fuck her and her voice
Also fuck Roadside Attraction
>>82406849
I think it would be passable if it had good characters but it didn't have good characters either.
ITT
>>82406916
I wouldn't say it had shit characters, but looking back, I didn't really care for Dipper all that much. Kinda annoying after s1. He was badass during the S1 finale, but then season 2 happened and it was eeeeeeeh. Stan was fine, except for that idiot ball moment existing to move the plot. They just kinda forgot about Wendy it seems for the most of it and I feel like they could have done a lot more with her AND pacifica. Seriously, why redeem her if you're not gonna do shit with her afterwards?
I do think that I had a stronger personal connection to Dipper and Mabel than some folks did, mostly because I also have a sister and we were (still are) good friends and have a great relationship. And again, S2 made me lose that connection to the relationship, it just felt a little unrealistic or way too onesided.
>>82404865
>>82405401
Funny how he never expected Pacifica to gain so much popularity. Doesn't he know that the rich girl stereotype is always the most interesting in a show?
Bill is literally a symbol of knowledge. He should be knowledge demon, trading information and manipulating people using their feelings against them.
I'm very curious to know if Bill always had his powers or if he gained them somehow. Doesn't quite make sense for it to be a species wide trait or else there would have been enough people to stop him fucking shit up in his home dimension.
you're trusting the taste of grown men who are more into children's cartoons than actual children
what did you really expect
>>82388906
>So what am i missing?
You're a retard, the lore is obvious.
>>82388906
>So what am i missing?
A brain.
>>82404784
>Thing is, he has no presence as a villain whatsoever.
I don't really agree in general, at least in terms of his effect on the general audience, since Bill was hugely popular and seems to have even gotten some people into the show, there was something done correctly/potential there. I mean in the sense that individuals people may not have cared for the character but overall the perception was wildly positive so there was obviously a lot of appeal there. And unlike with Lord Dominator people can't just say, "Oh, that's just because of hips and ass," like they do for WOY.
But it does feel like especially as of WfR they took things the least interesting possible way, I thought the ending of DaMvtF was really effective and threatening/high-stakes but soon after that it got scaled back and a lot of the intricate background stuff got scrapped or wasn't there maybe, but I would still have been curious to see what another season would have done.
>>82410632
>especially as of WfR
Sorry meant EfR (Escape from Reality).
>>82410632
The appeal is most likely because he's annoying as fuck not because he's a good villain.
People like annoying characters.
>>82388906
It had a lot of shit thrown around that people picked up and developed into elaborate theories.
But people who weren't as involved could see that it was very "one step forwards two steps back" and would have ended with a comparatively simple conflict.
Reminder that Dipper never used that skeleton key the President gave him.
>>82410691
Also,
Steven Universe is pulling off what GF wanted to do a lot better, ironically because its shorter format- often criticized for making episodes feel rushed- is able to take any little piece that got thrown around and turn it into something substantial.
There's no need to rush into some big epic end of the world conflict, we have ten minutes to focus on anything they want until then.
I could forgive lackluster mystery but relationship between Dipper and Mabel and how it was valorized was the true weakness of the show.
>>82410742
Indeed, the whole Mabel does no wrong was irritating.
>>82410689
>People like annoying characters.
...that doesn't make any sense.
Like how much people love Scrappy Do?
I mean there will always be people who don't like a character no matter how well-received as this is ultimately subjective but if the overall reception is good that's worth considering.
>>82410814
Counter-point: people like Minions and sitcom characters.
Thing is, Bill was always extremely obnoxious and unthreatening even by kids' cartoon standards, so his appeal to many people is definitely not in being a good villain.
>>82410882
>Counter-point: people like Minions and sitcom characters.
True, but in this case we're considering that people who liked the show Gravity falls in general mostly liked the newly introduced character Bill specifically. Also definitely a supposed tie-in to the lore and such was a factor, Bill wasn't a comedy relief character per se.
>Thing is, Bill was always extremely obnoxious and unthreatening even by kids' cartoon standards, so his appeal to many people is definitely not in being a good villain.
I would say things like the deer teeth getting ripped out or the screaming head were the things I saw being talked about re: Bill the most so some sense of unsettling-ness or creepy-ness probably had something do with with the appeal for a lot of people.
>>82410916
>deer teeth getting ripped out or the screaming head
That's just stupid dark comedy any normal kid would just laugh at. None of it even feels slightly creepy.
>>82411036
Mostly I like the way the unravelling is animated.
Normal kids were the show's target audience too.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
>>82411174
I don't know, it just looks too silly to me.
I guess we really would have to agree to disagree.
>>82388906
>people are actually falling for this bait
/co/ just can't resist taking bait threads holy shit.
>>82410726
SU got that from AT, credit where credits due.
>>82404452
> I don't like it so it must be tumblr
> Being this autistic
>>82410632
>And unlike with Lord Dominator people can't just say, "Oh, that's just because of hips and ass," like they do for WOY.
He is only popular for the same reason though.
>>82411391
There's an identical SU bait thread so they're a bait pair.
>DUDE RICH PEOPLE ARE EVIL LMAO
Was Alex cucked by rich guys?
>>82412913
Though something about the original had to spur that.
>>82413416
Deeply repressed BDSM fantasies and other fetishes.
I actually felt like the show lost its focus on the Dipper and Mabel relationship as it went on.
Mabel hypnotizing Dipper to think and act like her
>>82414301
It didn't so much lose focus as it lost all sense of right and wrong.
>>82414352
It's not a thread about Gravity Falls until this happens.
>>82404452
>tumblr
hola reddit
>>82414352
What would be the most Mabel-y way she would do this?
>>82414520
Bill would hypnotize Mabel to act and dress like Dipper and Dipper to act and dress like Mabel for the lulz. Stan would take a month to realize that anything had happened.
>>82414572
I was asking what would be the most Mabel-like way she would hypnotize/brainwash Dipper to be like her?
>>82414814
What's the difference between hypnotizing Dipper and brainwashing him?
Why did DP stop drawing Pinecest?
>>82415525
Her twin sister caught her.
>>82390283
I think /co/'s hatred is justified, but overblown. Nowhere else on the internet do I see a consensus that it's a 6/10.
This is what the show should be.
It is better than mediocre ending of this show
>>82416313
Something about this seriously fucks me up inside and I don't know why.
What was the best and most canon pairing from this show and why was it Billford?
Fujoshits are just pissed off that Bill didn't turn out to be the "le smexy edgelord" from their fanfics.
>>82416804
You sure? Because I've hardly seen any complaints from them, mostly from people mad their blonde preteen waifu didn't feature heavily.
>>82400681
Way to prove your point, AT and YJ were the only ones that had any semblance of quality
>>82415722
Almost nowhere else on the internet has any teeth.
>>82400681
Hey jackass, you forgot Dan VS!!!
>>82417596
He said GOOD cartoons.
>>82416313
That panel with the journal is brilliant
>>82410814
>Like how much people love Scrappy Do?
Anon, Scrappy was hugely popular when he first started out, he single handedly saved Scooby-Doo from being cancelled. The only reason people hated him was because of a meme.
Twin Peaks comparision is really superficial desu, Simpsons more on point
>>82416804
Did they complain, I thought Shitmageddon had them fapping harder than ever to le randumb husbando
>>82418083
I didn't personally see any doing so, someone must have but I honestly just think Misha is trying to drag them down to his level.
>>82417654
Dan VS is a good Cartoon!!!!!!
>>82417701
This whole sequence has some kind of weird brilliance to it it's horrible but I just can't look away.
>>82418733
kek
Not to be a waifufag but I do sort of wish they hadn't dropped Pacifica after NMM.
>>82419380
>>82417469
That's some shit taste friendo
>>82417596I'm sorry
