Am I the only one who hated Persepolis?
Marjane Satrapi is like the perfect stereotype of a "good Muslim" in western society.
>Marxist
>doesn't like wearing hijab
>doesn't pray
>loves American music and movies
>half-heartedly believes in God
>strangely racist against Arabs
>drinks and goes to parties
Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all, but has a quirky accent and lets you have more diversity in your coffee-sucking hipster dipshit circle of friends.
And fuck this girl's family, too. Her mother's a whore, and her dad's a communist, which makes her a communist whore. All her best friends and family are communist, in fact all the conflict in her life would be averted if she wasn't a freakin' communist. Seriously, why am I supposed to feel sorry for Marjane and her family? Her dad studied abroad in Europe; why didn't he just stay there, where his marxist values would actually be welcome?
Khomeini was the best thing that ever happened to Iran.
Calm down, Ahmed.
>>84529523
>Khomeini was the best thing that ever happened to Iran
Tell that to my dead father, you ignorant fuck.
I understand what you're saying. This is the typical behavior of atheist/agnostic secularists. They believe in tolerating religions, including Islam, only to a point. When those religions--like Islam, like Christianity, like Hinduism--start to encroach on their comfort and convenience, they turn nasty. But what were they expecting? Religions demand to rule the world. They demand to alter reality in the name of their god or gods. You can't just tolerate them "to a point."
>>84529523
Dude chill
No ones perfect and you can't choose your shitty communist family who willing choose to stay in that shit hole
Sounds like a good Muslim to me.
I hated once she grew up, because she became kind of a cunt.
The more secular a Muslim is the better. It seems the more religious Muslims are the more likely they are to blow people up.
That whole religion just needs to chill out and not take religion so seriously.
when reading all the comics that are hailed as the greatest the genre has to offer:
Persepolis
The Watchmen
The Sandman
Preacher
I've come to realize that the medium is intellectually stunted. There is no comic book that can match the style of Proust, the tortured insight of Dostoevsky, the scale of Tolstoy, the thematic depth of Melville, the biting wit of Céline, the elegance of Joyce, or have the power to shape entire cultural conceptions like a Milton or a Dante.
>>84529651
Marjane's story was definitely a lot more captivating when she was still in Iran. Once she gets to Europe, it basically just becomes "White Girl Problems: The Comic."
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's not really what I was hoping for.
>>84529665
>That whole religion just needs to chill out and not take religion so seriously.
Taking the religion seriously is a pretty integral part of being a Muslim.
>>84529673
One of the most pretentious posts I have read today. The only reason you are saying those are so great is because they were taught in literature classes and praised for their genius for at least 100 years.
If people read The Sandman in literature courses then 100 years from now people would be listing it up there with all those authors you mentioned.
>>84529592
Yes you can. European Christianity turned over time into something that can fit in a civilized society. Something that's practized mostly internally, rather than externally. They don't try to violently convert people or to christianize the world or enact changes o society to conform to their religion (Well, mostly) they just have their rituals and their holidays and that's perfectly fine. The same thing can't be said for American Christianity. European Islam appears to be struggling between conforming to civilized society and rejecting it and is therefore a source of, sometimes violent, conflict.
Middle Eastern Islam, at its current state is repressive, destructive and imperialist and not, in any way, morally defensible by anyone living in a civilized country. It's something that needs to be destroyed from the inside much like medieval Christianity was.
>>84529717
And there lies the problem. Out of all the religions, Muslims seem to be the most hardcore outside of some crazy Christian cults.
Islam leaves very little room for actual introspection and critical thought about personal beliefs. It values blind obedience above all else. This is easily exploited, which is why Muslims are so easily radicalized compared to other groups.
>>84529717
A pretty integral part of any religion, really. There are a lot of fake religious people in the West, most of them pretending to be Christians.
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all
That's true though
>>84529720
I feel sorry for you if you truly believe this.
Literature is simply on another intellectual level than comics. It's not a matter of social elevation, it's a difference in the limitations of the mediums and the talent they attract.
>>84529736
>They don't try to violently convert people or to christianize the world or enact changes o society to conform to their religion (Well, mostly)
Maybe they should.
>>84529673
>the elegance of Joyce
Ok, this post is a joke.
>>84529523
>And fuck this girl's family, too. Her mother's a whore, and her dad's a communist, which makes her a communist whore.
Gave me a chuckle.
>>84529736
>It's something that needs to be destroyed from the inside much like medieval Christianity was.
Saddes part is, medieval and american Christianity go completely against most of what Jesus was preaching in the first place.
>>84529523
>loves American music and movies
One of these things is not like the other.
>>84529768
Both are mediums to convey information. There is no objective reason why comics are somehow on a lesser level than literature.
>>84529746
>Muslims seem to be the most hardcore outside of some crazy Christian cults.
>It values blind obedience above all else
Why is that, anyway? Is it because the Quran and the teachings of Islam are supposed to be the absolute word of God while the teachings of Christianity were delivered through men and can be more open for interpretation?
>>84529523
t. Khomeini
>>84529523
Well, that's kinda the point. It's a comic about how much it sucks to be non-religious in a fundamentalist society. The 1979 revolution changed Marjane's whole entire world.
>>84529673
If the chapter "The Dowry" didn't make you tear up, you don't have a heart.
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all, but has a quirky accent and lets you have more diversity in your coffee-sucking hipster dipshit circle of friends.
So you're mad because she's....not Muslim enough for you?
>>84529803
How do you know that? That's a very, very Protestant opinion. There are Churches that have existed for thousands of years, who's to say they don't have a better idea of what Christ taught than some Church founded in the eighteenth century?
>>84529812
At least with Catholicism, is the belief that the Pope is the succesor of Peter, who was closest to Jesus, and he can change some rules or give them a more open interpretation.
>>84529829
Fuck you, disgusting tripfagget.
>>84529523
>The good muslim is the dead muslim
>>84529673
You still haven't read Cerebus yet? I guess it's too much for your limited attention span to handle.
>>84529805
>There is no objective reason why comics are somehow on a lesser level than literature.
And yet they are.
The medium has never produced a Moby Dick or a Paradise Lost or a Divine Comedy. Is it because of the audience, the publishers, or simply the difference in the intellectual capabilities between its writers and the writers of great literature?
Probably a combination of all three.
>>84529857
>How do you know that? That's a very, very Protestant opinion.
Protestant? The people I am criticizing?
Maybe because killing or punishing people in the name of God is against what Jesus told everyone in the first place. And that being religious is not for prestige or to be a model member of the community. While American and Medieval culture are full of hate.
>>84529523
Remember when she got some dude arrested for the lulz?
>>84529857
American Christianity is protestant though and it is, in large parts, considerably more repressive than modern catholicism. Of course I am an atheist who was raised catholic and still believes in some catholic values so I might not be entirely unbiased but really, I take Pope Francis' words over that of some of the theocratic fascists in America that call.themselves Christians any day.
Everyone likes the first book.
>>84529923
Remember when you lied on the internet for the lulz?
>>84529673
I don't really consider any of those comics particularly good. Sandman and Watchmen are fairly literary but Persepolis is an autobiography and Preacher is crummy genre fiction. Maybe you need to read more comics?
Only watched the movie, but I noticed this as well.
People outside of a religion will not pressure you to follow religious obligations. They will at best not care and at worst think less of you for it. Once getting to Europe, her faith was an obscurity that she didn't, perhaps couldn't, follow.
>>84529736
>European Christianity - Teach the story of Christ and the context of the bible. Then ease into the moral law and why it should be followed.
>American Christianity - Emphasize possible moral wrongdoings over theology. If they agree to the moral obligations, then teach them more about the life and times of Christ. If they don't, tough.
>>84529768
>>84529917
Ever consider that you're just a pretentious faggot?
>>84529945
Seriously dude. American christianity is fucking nuts. They will carry a gun and a bible without realizing about the contradiction. It's like I'm living in a Disneyfied version of the crusades.
>>84529812
Pretty much, Muslims have to follow the Quran to the word since they believe it's the literal word of God. Christians have alot more leeway in what they believe since the Bible was written my multiple people with sometimes conflicting statements. The Bible is such a mess that it allows Christians to justify almost any interpretation. For example, you can find passages that justify co-existing with other cultures and passages that justify murdering all other cultures. The Quran was written by one guy with very clear views on many issues that are hard to mis-interpret.
>>84529812
A lot of the extremist elements can be traced to the rise of the Wahhabist school of Sunni Islam over the last century.
Basically, the Wahhabists were the absolute fucking worst, most violent, most hateful, most sexist, most extreme to-the-letter, Sharia-law loving Muslims in the world, but they were a tiny sect. The house of Saud allied to them when they took over Arabia and the Wahhabists were really helpful.
Then, when the Saudi royals were setting up the country, the Wahhabists wanted to encroach and take a lot of control themselves. The royal family couldn't tell them to fuck off because they'd gained a lot of public support since the takeover, so to appease them, the royal family have them billions and billions of dollars (from US oil deals) to go around the Middle East and Africa and set up Wahhabist schools and spread it to other countries.
The result was Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabab, Boko Haram, ISIS and the rest.
>>84529938
Did you read the story?
>>84529963
Not him but honestly though, comics need better writers and better works. We barely have respected masterpieces because 95% of it is juvenile trash, while books and movies have more variety.
>>84529963
Great rebuttal.
You've certainly proved that comics aren't an intellectually light-weight medium.
Is the pursuit of peace and stability through moral and cultural degradation so wrong?
Who gives a shit whether or not God exists, we are humans living now on a wet bit of rock on an outside arm of a galaxy which is one of trillions+ in our particular universe. If an omniscient and/or omnipresent being (or beings) actually existed they would see the ultimate hurt that we as a species are headed for and stay well clear.
>>84529996
Yes. She didn't do it "for the lulz".
Why would you lie? Are the lulz that important to you?
>>84529523
I didn't hate it in fact I liked it a lot but I did come out with the impression that Starapi was more of pretentious, arrogant, and judgmental bitch then she let on however I guess that can be expected given the shit she went through and I give her credit for admitting when she realizes she is wrong about something.
I recall some short comic she did about performing for US troops shortly after 9/11 and how she was surprised how the soldiers were completely different from what she expected american soldiers to be like (she assumed they would be frothing at the mouth imperialists that would be too stupid to understand her and they ended up being ordinary friendly people that enjoyed her performance)
>Her mother's a whore
She didn't seem to be to my perspective
>and her dad's a communist
I'm pretty sure that was her uncle
> Seriously, why am I supposed to feel sorry for Marjane and her family?
Her family didn't depose the shah or put the islamic radicals in charge of the country so yeah sympathy is warranted.
>Her dad studied abroad in Europe; why didn't he just stay there,
Iran wasn't as shit back then, why stay in a country (assuming that immigration was even a option) where they don't speak your language when your own country is almost comparable?
>>84529993
This is really depressing.
>>84529842
A mainstream comic about a religious Muslim would not do well because a devout Muslim just wouldn't be relatable to 99% of the population. It's why all the comics with Muslims in them tend to shove Islam under the rug.
>>84529917
>The medium has never produced a Moby Dick or a Paradise Lost or a Divine Comedy.
Straight outta the pseudo-intellectual handbook right there.
I hated the movie. Annoying little spoiled twat
>>84529673
>elegance
>Joyce
You are talking about the guy that made a whole career of writing nonsensical thesaurus in-jokes and raunchy comments about the retarded irish society.
How can you call a dude who spent more than 10 pages narrating a guy masturbating to voyeur shit 'elegant'?
>>84530066
Do you have anger issues?
>>84529523
Do you have any problems with the craft and the structure of the story or are you just sperging about uninformed political bullshit?
>>84530076
>How can you call a dude who spent more than 10 pages narrating a guy masturbating to voyeur shit 'elegant'?
The finest gentleman, you prude.
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim
So you're saying if somebody isn't a violent, wife-beating, close-minded, IS sympathizing barbarian, they can't be a good Muslim?
>>84529665
This
Most religions went through periods of reformation that domesticated them to be compatible with more modern libertarian politics but islam is still stuck in the bronze age.
The only exceptions to the undiluted crazy that is islam are the ones that treat it with the same sort of distance that most modern christians and jews do, which is to say that they believe in god and treat it as a culture but at the same time don't follow it word for word and slaughter goats to appease god or keep slaves anymore.
If you can find a muslim that is only religious on holidays and otherwise drinks and eats pork you will have found the elusive "moderate muslim" otherwise you have a radical muslim that's lazy.
>>84529717
Maybe they should start then?
>>84530033
How can SJWs support Islam? How much cognitive dissonance does one need to claim they fight for feminism and then berate someone for criticizing Islam? They just need to face the fact that Islam is inherently sexist as hell.
>>84529673
>/lit/posting on /co/ starter kit
Go look up some shit on your own, don't buy into someone else's classicist opinions.Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four is the "great American novel". Try to debate that.
>>84529673
>comics
>genre
>Preacher
>greatest
>>84529917
It's a young medium still, it's still got a long way to go. Honestly though, you're being by a bit of a pretentious douche if you only came here to complain about how great literature is in comparison
>>84530076
It's elegant because he never read it and was just namedropping famous old books while pretending to be a super sophisticated intellectual.
>>84529981
>They will carry a gun and a bible without realizing about the contradiction.
Can you name a single religion in the whole world that the practitioners are completely unwilling to use violence if deemed necessary?
>>84530138
Let's change the topic a little bit to actually be /co/ related.
How should comics mature as a medium? I really want to figure this out.
>>84530023
>wear forbidden shit
>see religious police coming down the street
>don't walk away
>don't turn around
>don't wipe your makeup with a cloth
>don't ask for help from anyone to do any of the above
>don't stand up for your right to wear forbidden shit
>Instead grab the attention of the police who may not have ever noticed you and send some innocent schmuck to get beaten to death for being 5 steps within raping someone
It's damn close to doing it for the lulz
>>84529523
I liked this book it was really sweet
I should buy it for my niece, she's 14 and into art, idk if she's ever read a comic
Here's some comics OP might like, then.
>these Muslims are too violent and repressed, with their qarans and their allies akbars. I don't care for them.
>these Muslims are too reasonable and worldly, with their openness to other cultures and ideas and art. I don't care for them.
All of 4chan "I'm not racist BUt" posting.
10/10 made me reply honestly and emotionally.
>>84530166
No, but it doesn't make it alright to be a warmonger if the religion preaches the opposite. And americans are warmongers.
>>84530188
is that age appropriate? I think it is, but kids are weirdly sheltered these days
>>84530166
Christianity, at least the New Testament stuff. I don't really remember Jesus or any of the other guys fighting back. In fact, nonviolence was a pretty important part of the whole thing.
>>84529592
>They believe in tolerating religions, including Islam, only to a point.
Fuck Islam and above all, fuck you.
>>84530187
>>don't wipe your makeup with a cloth
t. someone who has obviously never worn makeup in their life.
>>84529963
>I disagree with him so I'll just call him pretentious
This board needs to get some balls and stop shying away from discourse.
>>84529993
So? Islam is truth.
>>84530033
Left.
>Americanized culture,women act like whores and the culture is globalist reflecting not on Iran or Afghanistan but on America.
Right
>Traditional dress that reflects Afghanistan and Iran. Women aren't whores and are modest and save themselves for marriage for the most part.
Fuck off you globalist faggots, not everyone has to adhere to your feminism,capitalism and democracy. We humiliated the Soviets and we have humialiated NATO.
>>84530117
Because they are Marxist scum who view us as a means to an end. They see Muslims in their nation as just votes, and the idiotic Marxist lemming regurgitates what ever their leaders tell them.
>>84530116
There is no 'moderate' Islam, there is the true form of Monotheism and its values and principles or you have apostasy and degeneracy. tl:dr Islam isn't a buffet you don't choose what you want, you follow it all. >>84529523
Khomeini betrayed Sunnis in Afghanistan and oppresses the Sunnis in Iran. But he at least is anti-Jew and anti-degeneracy to a degree. Marxists are scum that should all be removed or reeducated.
>>84530187
>Blaming a random man to hide her own indecency and causing him to be harmed by a soldier for no reason.
What a disgusting whore, and I guess the reader is supposed to sympathize with her because she's 'le stronk independent womyn xD' because she can't be fucked by ten different guys in a week and still have a beta orbiter husband by the time she is thirty. Sickening how many 'men' would still defend this skank out of misinterpreted 'chivalry' with their suicidal altruism.
>>84530236
Here's to (You) Nikola and Bart
>>84530204
but then anon ate the third Muslim, and she was juuuuuust right.
>>84530076
Joyce's mastery of the English language is unparalleled.
>>84530134
I'm open to your suggestions. I only listed what I've seen hailed as the greatest achievements in the history of comics.
>>84530121
>Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four is the "great American novel"
So the level of a Steinbeck of a Faulkner at most?
>>84530033
Check 'em
>>84530230
Are my other points not worthy of attention? She fucked a random stranger's life to cover her own irresponsibility.
I don't have bait macros fancy enough for this shit.
>>84530258
>If he disagrees with me he's bait so I'm just gonna respond with a meme
Nice one man, really proved me wrong friendo.
>>84530177
You will see writers and artists attempting to create more mature comics when they think that mature comics are a financially viable career path.
As long as Marvel and DC dominate the market, many artists and writers will be unwilling to leave behind juvenile comics, due to their fear that the smaller audience of mature comics will not have the fiscal resources to sustain their lifestyles.
We on /co/ can take responsibility and do our part to help out by:
>buying fewer DC/Marvel comics
>buying more creator-owned comics
>encouraging others to do the same
>>84530204
>All of 4chan "I'm not racist BUt" posting.
What the fuck are you talking about? 4Chan IS massively racist against everyone you stupid faggot.
>>84530204
Islam isn't a race though, it's a religion. Nobody complains when I criticize Scientology but the second I criticize Islam everyone freaks out.
>>84530187
That's really fucked-up.
>>84530293
>4Chan
Get out.
>>84530285
>You will see writers and artists attempting to create more mature comics when they think that mature comics are a financially viable career path.
Image is attempting though. Many creators have gone there after establishing their names thanks to Marvel and DC.
But they don't get enough press unless they get TV shows or movie adaptations.
>>84530294
Because one of those towel heads will start shooting someone.
Man. I remember when ISIS tried this shit in Mexico. The pussies decided against it after drug dealers told them that they would drown their precious qurans in their filthy muslim blood.
>>84530268
It's a doggy dog world, and sometimes people have to do shi**y things to survive.
>>84529923
Her grandmother called her a bitch.
>>84530236
> the reader is supposed to sympathize with her because she's 'le stronk independent womyn xD'
Her Grandmother told her what a shitty move she pulled and told her she was a disgrace for that. She wasn't rewarded for her behavior, nor made out to be some hero for it.
>>84530321
Got a link? I'd like to read about this.
>>84530314
This, the correct way to write it is "Four-Chan"
>>84530262
>Joyce's mastery of the English language is unparalleled
Really? That's what you call 'elegant'?
I love Joyce, but elegant is not the appropiate word to describe him, you fucking posseur.
>>84530323
>shi**y
>tripfaggotry
>on 4chan
Fuck summer.
>>84530187
You said that she did it "for the lulz", but she clearly did it to protect herself.
Why would you lie?
Do you think that lying is okay?
Do you just lie whenever you feel like it?
Be honest, Anon, are you actually a sociopath?
>>84530321
>Man. I remember when ISIS tried this shit in Mexico. The pussies decided against it after drug dealers told them that they would drown their precious qurans in their filthy muslim blood.
Give me a link to this. This sounds like a crock of shit, ISIS is far more experienced,coordinated and hardcore than any cartel.
>>84530323
That's not a shield from criticism.
>>84530323
>shi**y
I'd rather read Single Asian Female than shitty collected serials 'books' by hacks who got paid by the word.
>>84529720
ajajajajaja
no
>>84530342
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/mexican-drug-lord-el-chapo-threatens-islamic-state-article-1.2462472
El Chapo is a fucking faggot that deserves all the shit that is coming his way. Cartels are monsters. This shit would be like watching Freddy and Jason duke it out, hoping one will kill the other.
>>84530262
>I'm open to your suggestions.
No you're not. You ignored >>84529888 for one.
>>84530368
I know. I'm just saying, I can sympathize.
>>84530392
It's actually a hoax. But one can dream.
>>84529523
>>84530382
Quevedo is a mediocre piece of shite.
Calderon de la Barca is the real deal.
>>84530348
> but elegant is not the appropiate word to describe him
Stop imposing your narrow conceptions on me you dilettante
>>84530209
>No, but it doesn't make it alright to be a warmonger if the religion preaches the opposite.
One can be peaceful and still cover their bases in case shit goes pear shaped.
> And americans are warmongers.
Eurocuck please don't you have a crumbling union to salvage?
>Christianity, at least the New Testament stuff. I don't really remember Jesus or any of the other guys fighting back.
I'm pretty sure "turn the other cheek" operates under the assumption the other guy isn't trying to kill you, I could be wrong though.
I figure the point of the message is to avoid conflict and prevent escalation rather than just allow yourself to be killed, like I said above don't know being that I'm not christian myself.
>>84530236
Lel, sure kiddo. What a nice post devoid of hate and spite, can't see why the world hates Islam
Thought the art of the graphic novel looked half-assed a lot of the time despite looking cool and striking at others.
>>84530404
I was insulted by his haughty attitude so I didn't reply.
>>84530262
Love & Rockets
Peanuts
Calvin & Hobbes
Jeff Lemire
Chester Brown
Michael DeForge
I'll stop for now
>>84530422
Stop trying to justify your warmonger ways, ameripig. Jesus doesn't want you to be violent, period.
Also my country is as violent, but not for religious reasons.
>>84530427
When you see pictures of babies incinerated by bombs dropped by America,corporations exploiting your resources and the entire world fighting against the true form of your religion, while flooding it with degeneracy for literally hundreds of years. Maybe you will understand why true Muslims are full of hate and spite, you cuckold.
>>84530230
>That comic
What?
Is it implying that she is literally incapable of blowing anybody that asks and that wearing a hijab makes nobody want to fuck her?
Because I have some hijab porn on my hdd that would suggest the opposite.
I think we all need to step back, take a moment and refresh ourselves.
>>84530360
You'd be surprised at how technologically advanced and experienced some of the Mexican cartels are in combat. It's almost hard to believe.
>>84530453
Yes
>>84530419
>Calderon de la Barca
La Vida es Sueño alone is worthier than the entire work of Gaiman, yes, but to say he is superior to Quevedo is the plebiest possible opinion.
de la Barca didn't even wrote poems about negros
>>84530422
If you want to be violent don't use Christianity as an excuse.
>>84530435
Well, now's your chance to correct your mistake. Lay a fresh reply on me.
Alan Moore says:
>Cerebus, as if I need to say so, is still to comic books what Hydrogen is to the Periodic Table, and is one of the only comics that I still read and enjoy regularly every month.
Neil Gaiman says:
>I'm sometimes a good writer. It irks me that Dave is, in my opinion (and when he's firing on all cylinders) as good as, or (okay, I'll say it) better than me, and he's had longer to be good. It also irks me that he's a far, far better artist than I'll ever be, and that he's a better publisher than the majority of us (particularly those of us who really couldn't run a successful lemonade stand).
High praise for Dave Sim's Cerebus the Aardvark. Why haven't you read it yet?
Well, they could starve AND have their own life choices as filthy communist rather than just starve as filthy kebabs.
>>84530441
>recommending newspaper funnies as the pinnacle of the comic medium
haha oh wow.
>>84530420
>ayy he is elegant because he uses rare words
>not because of his mastery of the narrative and his witty use of motifs and clichés of the different narrative disciplines to convey a glorious satire of the Irish society
You are a retarded posseur that needs to go back to /trash/
>>84530476
>High praise for Dave Sim's Cerebus the Aardvark
And yet the guy is starving
>>84530494
>it's not good unless it's financially successful
Uh oh.
>>84530293
Don't presume to tell me what this armenian basket-weaving image board is for, punklegs.
>>84530236
>tl:dr Islam isn't a buffet you don't choose what you want
That is literally what all modern religion is.
Protestantism was created because the King wanted a divorce, Mormonism because Joesph Smith wanted to have multiple wives and exclude blacks from heaven or something, Jews don't all live like the Orthodox weirdos.
People have been picking and choosing since the days of the pre christian irish choosing which gods to worship and which not to.
>Marxists are scum that should all be removed or reeducated.
Well at least there is something we can all agree on.
>>84530476
>Why haven't you read it yet?
Because normally I read books. The reason I picked up the others is because there's a perpetual buzz about them as being particularly stellar examples from the comic medium.
>>84530505
>punklegs.
What?
>>84530230
I love how that comic ends up having the exact opposite message than intended. It appears she is literally incapable of not being a slut without the help of a big sheet over her head. Like without the hijab she would fuck every guy that talks to her.
>>84530453
>Is it implying that she is literally incapable of blowing anybody that asks and that wearing a hijab makes nobody want to fuck her?
Everyone has a weakness. Some girls have trouble saying no, and I think there are a lot of guys who can sense that and exploit it. She recognized her own weakness, and in doing so, found strength.
>>84530055
As theys hould. Muslims are batshit insane.
>>84529523
>Racist against arabs
lol
Over 1,000 years later and they STILL mad we cucked them
t. Christian Arab
>>84530441
Thanks, I'll look into these, but I can't promise I'll read them.
>>84530486
>his witty use of motifs and clichés of the different narrative disciplines to convey a glorious satire of the Irish society
that alone is way better than Gaiman's incessant leeching of shakespear.
In any case it's not like anglo literature is anything special
>>84530474
Last I checked very few people do anymore.
The only radical american christian groups that come to mind are the westbaro baptists and they haven't so much as injured a person yet and less you count making your ears bleed with their moronic squawking.
>>84530529
She's not a slut.
>>84530486
You have deluded yourself. Sad!
ITT: Moors being jelly that she got SPICD', by a fag no less
>>84530236
Don't you have a suicide bombing to attend?
>>84530511
Watchmen and Sandman get the buzz from casuals. As you can see from those quotes, Cerebus gets the buzz from the people who created Watchmen (Alan Moore) and Sandman (Neil Gaiman). It gets the serious buzz from the serious comics people.
Now that you have been educated, you owe it to yourself to track it down and read the whole thing.
>>84530531
>Everyone has a weakness
Hers is evidently cock
>Some girls have trouble saying no
Are they potatoes?
> and I think there are a lot of guys who can sense that and exploit it.
Everything is exploitation
You are currently exploiting the air to breathe and the universe to supply the physical space you occupy.
>She recognized her own weakness, and in doing so, found strength.
And with that strength she can now suck even more cocks!
>>84530465
Sure they have some modern rifles,armored vehicles and some crudely made submarines. But you need to take into account, its literally dozens of cartels and maybe like five main confederations of cartels. They have never experienced conventional warfare or asymmetrical warfare. They only fight Mexican police and army, that are mostly paid off and government isn't serious about fighting them. Meanwhile ISIS fights against the entire world while somehow retaining ground, and sometimes gaining ground, this isn't something that cartels could even dream of obtaining. What also can be accounted for is the ideology and motive behind fighing, for a Mujahid, he is fighting for his Ummah and Islam as a whole, he is eager to die so he can achieve martyrdom compare this to a cartel member that fights only for money and earthly gained nonsense.
tl:dr Cartels are unorganized gangs that fight paid off police and military. ISIS is organized and fights basically every modern military in the world.
>>84530506
>That is literally what all modern religion is.
That's not true, those religions weren't serious about their faith because they have, as a collective, become apostates to their very own principles and values. Apostates exist everywhere, but you cannot find more apostates than the religion (and sects within it) in Christianity. They have completely destroyed their faith, they have gone from a warrior's religion to a weakling's religion, they have gone from a patriarchal religion, to a feminine one, for these reasons they have already engaged in not just apostasy, but collective suicide.
>>84530562
Don't you have a cuckshed to go to?
>>84530555
Then she should be capable of talking to a guy without worrying about having voluntary sex with him. If the only thing that protects her from doing sexual acts is a cloth on her head then she is pretty repressed.
Nothing wrong with being a slut, it's just sad that the girl in the comic needs to repress her desires and kill off mens interest in her since she is incapable of just saying "no" when asked out on a date.
>>84530506
Protestantism was created for the reformation ya dink.
>>84530579
I pity you. Really.
>>84530230
>That comic
That kid is going to grow up with with a really warped view on relationships and sex.
She views herself as weak to people she's attracted to and seems to justify it with her 'shy' personality. Her solution to the problem seems to be to throw up a cultural barrier, this for certain will result in her being socially ostracised, especially when she eventually meets a person she finds attractive living on the same side of the barrier as her.
>>84529673
Read Concrete maybe, that could be right up your alley.
>>84530587
>Meanwhile ISIS fights against the entire world while somehow retaining ground, and sometimes gaining ground, this isn't something that cartels could even dream of obtaining. What also can be accounted for is the ideology and motive behind fighing, for a Mujahid, he is fighting for his Ummah and Islam as a whole, he is eager to die so he can achieve martyrdom compare this to a cartel member that fights only for money and earthly gained nonsense.
That's becasue they have direct access to recruits, are extremely familiar within their area, and thus have both great numbers and direct access to a civilian population to recruit and hide their members.
In mexico they wouldn't have that shit, the cartels would just round up every arab sounding motherfucker around their turfs and kill them, as they have those very same advantages in their own territory
Also, they are anything but unorganized.
>>84529578
>implying Western Shah Shill I didn't kill people with a secret police taught by the CIA
>>84530613
same here
Why aren't you reading the works of Jason?
>>84530468
Honestly, I love The Sandman, but really you can't make a comparison between two pieces from different times, less if a later piece is influenced by the former.
Calderon de la Barca is part of the holy trinity of Spanish writers along with Unamuno and Borges (literally the three aspects of the great god Cervantes), while Quevedo is light shit for whores and niggers.
Also, La Vida es Sueño is entry-level faggotry. El Alcalde de Zalamea and El Gran Teatro del Mundo is the real spanish experience.
>>84530541
Gaiman is the biggest achievement on the genre. He knows how to use the medium without meta-wankery. Also, I love his little homages to great literature books, like that whole volume that was a homage to story collections with framing devices like the Decameron, the Canterbury Tales and the Arabian Nights.
Honestly, I don't expect any comic writer to compare to (kek) real writers, because the genre is really new, but at least we had a lot of britbongs that raised the bar of what was considered a good narrative.
>In any case it's not like anglo literature is anything special
Agreed.
>>84530556
Ayy lmao, what a faggot.
>>84530598
>Nothing wrong with being a slut, it's just sad that the girl in the comic needs to repress her desires
They both want different things, obviously. She would obviously have been interested in dating him, but he just wants a booty-call.
>>84530615
I hope not.
>>84530230
>>84530555
>>84530637
>genre
Stop, please.
>>84530587
>That's not true, those religions weren't serious about their faith because they have, as a collective, become apostates to their very own principles and values. Apostates exist everywhere, but you cannot find more apostates than the religion (and sects within it) in Christianity. They have completely destroyed their faith, they have gone from a warrior's religion to a weakling's religion, they have gone from a patriarchal religion, to a feminine one, for these reasons they have already engaged in not just apostasy, but collective suicide.
Christianity was never orginial to begin with nearly all the traditions and mythologies were approriated from other religions (which were themselves taken from other religions and so on...) and then warped to fit what the powers that be wanted the religion to be.
And Christianity is not unique in this.
I would say that the only religions that were not bastardized versions of others were the pagan ones but even that is not true (there were like twenty different takes on the nordic gods alone ranging from regions as far as iceland to the alps) there is nothing new under the sun and religion is now exception.
Kek, it's pretty ironic ,or not, that islamtards have roughly the same discourse as /pol/esmokers.
Well I guess it is to be expected, modern jihadists own everything to cuckservatives.
>>84530652
Every girl you know probably has a story about one time when she didn't want to do something, but didn't know how to say no (without hurting his feelings, losing social standing, being seen as "prude", etc.)
It's not as uncommon as you'd probably like to think.
>>84530656
Oh, i ruiner my whole post.
I mean, MEDIUM.
M E D I U M
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Retarded cocksucker, stop dismissing complete posts because of a fucking word.
>>84530628
Nigga you don't get it, you seem to think that cartels are more hardcore than ISIS but in reality ISIS is more hardcore because they are ideologically and religiously motivated, these niggas LITERALLY want to die on the battlefield. Materialists don't feel that feeling, they aren't true believers.
>In mexico they wouldn't have that shit, the cartels would just round up every arab sounding motherfucker around their turfs and kill them, as they have those very same advantages in their own territory Also, they are anything but unorganized.
Fair points, but I cannot see ISIS losing to cartels as they would just slaughter literally everyone involved in the drug manufacturing and transportation. Taliban did the same exact thing in Afghanistan, except the people that were making opium in Afghanistan were combat experienced and had leftover Soviet armor and equipment. And the Taliban managed to annihilate all of these groups and bring down opium trade by 99%, over 1/3rd of the world's supply of opium was annihilated.
>>84530637If you insist on a trinity, García Marquez > Unamuno. Also its unicanny how every time I post Quevedo delaBarca fags jump at me and vice versa
alsoIm moslty just shitposting m8
>>84530715I'm shitposting too, mateI like Garcia Marquez, but Unamuno is GOAT.
At least can we agree that Borges > Sabato > Cortazar?
>>84530639
Then maybe she shouldn't assume every guy who talks to her wants sex. If he did just want sex, she should be able to refuse. I have heard many valid reasons why people wear hijabs, but I feel that wearing one just because she apparently can't make her own decisions is kinda silly.
Why can't she just explain to the reader that she wears it because of her religion instead of trying to spin it into her needing it due to her own lack of self-control. I think I may be reading a bit too deeply into this though.
>>84530697
>Taliban did the same exact thing in Afghanistan
Yes, and I know they are capable of dismantling Cartel operations, but you should consider that the logistics to act within the ME and Europe are way different than those involved with undertaking a serious engagement around the atlantic.
It simply isn't practical for ISIS given its current concerns, them being actually capable to do them or not
>>84530745
I agree on that, Borges is toptier
>>84530628
I thinks it's mostly because one receives massive monetary aid from the richest oil exporting countries and the other doesn't.
>>84530697
>they aren't true believers
They have a fucking death goddess.
>>84530451
>Jesus doesn't want violence
>allows his Apostles to own swords
He didn't let Peter carve up the Roman guards because he knew his time had come.
>>84530749
>>84530117
It's blatantly stated in the Quran to rape and strike your women if they misbehave.
If someone who's Muslim wishes to integrate into a modern society, of course they're gonna be more secular.
>>84530866
He's right though.
>>84530697
>Taliban did the same exact thing in Afghanistan, except the people that were making opium in Afghanistan were combat experienced and had leftover Soviet armor and equipment. And the Taliban managed to annihilate all of these groups and bring down opium trade by 99%, over 1/3rd of the world's supply of opium was annihilated.
You mean the opium fields given to the mujahedeen by the CIA? You mean the power struggle between the Taliban warlords who lead the different bands?
>annihilated
You mean exported, drugs are literally Afghanistan's #1 export.
posting relevant kelly
>>84529523
Woah there, Mohammed.
Take a chill pill.
It's not a stereotype, it's a reality. Well off religious people aren't that religious. Why would they be? Religion maintains social order and guarantees public morals line up for everyone. In an advanced, rich society, the government maintains social order and acts as a universal, secular faith and education dispels most myths and turns them into metaphors. You don't turn to god to define the law, it's already on the books. You don't pray to god for rain, it's already in the forecast.
>>84531006
I think OP is just trolling because sometimes that's the only way to get people to discuss something.
>>84530236
t. jihad john's ghost
>>84529523
I don't hate Persepolis, but I doubt I'd like Marjana Satrapi as a person. She seems like your average counterculture type who lucked into a book deal because she happened to come from another country. Her story seems very deep and meaningful but you realize that in the end she hasn't really done anything worth talking about. Her family was interesting, and the situation she was in, of having to deal with immigration, was interesting, but she wasn't interesting.
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all
But anon, that's true
Either that or a dead muslim
>>84531050
Like you're doing with that ridiculous hijab comic?
>>84530691
He's maymaying you bro.
Evans iconic laugh happens after the actor portraying Hawkye calls Blackwidow a slut.
You're a cool trip fag dude, stick around.
>>84530265
They are in the bottom right
>>84531138
I mean, obviously OP is being satirical, right?
I could understand someone legitimately holding those opinions, but they were really crass about it.
>>84529673
>the elegance of Joyce
I wrote you a letter
>>84530637
Couldn't agree with you more on Gaiman Anon.
Too many times I see comic writers try to be smarmy and clever with their writing when trying to write an engaging piece of literature, only for them to fall flat on their face because they can't pace themselves or are trying to have their cake and eat it when depicting conflicting tones for the meta-narrative.
This is where I get incredibly upset at writers like Kevin Smith, Brian Michael Bendis or Mark Millar. All of these writers have demonstrated the ability to deliver witty comedy and character interaction, but will use the meta-narrative to jack themselves off on how clever they are.
Unfunnies isn't a comic about Hanna Barbera cartoons raping and goring each other, it's a comic about Mark Millar giving you a premise of turning something family friendly into something that offends everyone and does it on ad nauseam: Look at how subversive and witty I am!
Kevin Smith's widening Gyre isn't a detective mystery about the bad guys getting serious, it's about cardboard characters talking about sex and grotesque shit in a witty way: Look at how subversive and witty I am!
Guardians of the Galaxy isn't a pulp space adventure, it's about BMB justifying the ends by the means to manipulate characters into places that he personally likes: Look at how subversive and witty I am!
Why don't more foreigners turned expats like satrapi make more comics about their homeland?
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all,
But that is also true of jews and christians
So are Muslims able to pick and choose what traditions, rituals, and practices to uphold in their spiritual lives, no different from Christians ignoring all the crazy shit in the Bible? Barring oppressive external pressures forcing them to comply in certain places.
>>84531100
I think you and I could be friends Anon. It seems like you're able to distinguish between liking a piece of literature and peronsally the characters or author.
I love GG Allin, but I think he's personally a piece of shit.
>>84531414
No, the Quran is supposedly the literal word of god, they have no choice but to obey. Compare this to the bible which is told through man, book of luke, book of matthew etc which is why Christians can pick and choose easily.
>>84530109
>if somebody isn't a violent, wife-beating, close-minded, IS sympathizing barbarian, they can't be a good Muslim
Well, he's right.
Religion of piss not even once.
>>84531414
Yeah, but they'd probably be seen as kafirs by other Muslims. The teachings of the Quran are pretty absolute and to the point, so if you reject any of it, you're basically a shitty Muslim.
>>84529673
>The Watchmen
>The
>Watchmen
>persian
>racist against arabs
THIS HAS TO BE BAIT
>>84531465
I see. Personally, I resent the fact that Christians didn't keep the books with the real weird shit in it. The giant half-human angel spawn and whatnot.
>pretentious /lit/ards shit a thread up again
It's like I'm on /his/ again.
>>84531100
>counterculture
And yet I bet you'd bitch about /pol/
She came from a fucking Islamic theocracy
>>84531414
It's easy for Christians because the bible is a gigantic clusterfuck.
>>84531517
/co/ has a pretty warped idea of what pretension is.
>>84530076
Andrew Hussie is the Joyce of the 21st century.
>>84529993
Wahhabism has nothing to do with ISIS or Iran
ISIS is Salafist, not Wahhabist
>>84529865
No, he can't
>>84529746
Islam has plenty of theological discourse. It just happens that while all other major religions are based on the "I won't hit you if you don't try to hit me first" principle Islam is "I'm going to hit you first"
>>84529780
>"We belong to the Church Militant and she is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are very restless to encompass her destruction." - Pope Pius XII.
>>84529523
>Basically the "ideal Muslim" is someone who isn't actually Muslim at all, but has a quirky accent and lets you have more diversity in your coffee-sucking hipster dipshit circle of friends.
Yes.
>strangely racist against Arabs
Haha, why "strangely" ? :^)
>>84529981
You realize Jesus told his followers to carry swords in case people tried to kill them right? Christianity is a religion of peace, not of suicidal pacifism.
>>84531528
>LOOK AT ME I'M WAY TOO INTELLIGENT FOR YOU GENRE FICTION, MY MEDIUM IS INHERENTLY BETTER THAN YOURS, DID I MENTION HOW MUCH I HATE GENRE FICTION
Sounds pretentious to me. Fuck off back to /lit/
>>84529523
Well then solve it like a muslim would and throw acid in her face
>>84530222
Uh no it wasn't. Jesus only went peacefully because he had to fulfill the prophecies and die as a human as penance for all humanity
He never said "hey if some guy wants to kill you just let him do it!"
>>84530474
>hunting terrorists because of 9/11
>HURR CLEARLY THIS IS A CHRISTIAN HOLY WAR
Are you a muslim perchance?
>>84529736
So it shrunk beyond the point.
>>84531578
>Look at me I'm typing in all caps and incorrectly paraphrasing my opponent in a desperate attempt to make him look outlandish and discredit everything he said
Why are you the way that you are.
>>84530534
>Christian Arab
>cucking anybody
>>84530506
>Protestantism was created because the King wanted a divorce
No, it was created because Luther wanted to fuck nuns but was too autistic to just do it on the down-low like all the other priests.
>>84529803
That was the whole point from the beginning, Christianity was just a small obscure cult until the powers in Rome decided to put it up as the official state religion, they didn't pick Christianity because it was the most popular or morally correct, they picked it bacause it could be easily dismantled and put back together to suit the cultural ideals of the day.
>>84531602
I don't need to make you look "outlandish".
You look plenty of idiotic on your own.
>incorrectly
Just because you're trying to believe that doesn't mean it's true. Go back to your shit board and roam with your bunch of retards who are desperately trying to compensate for being too dumb for a good job in STEM fields.
>>84531465
Actually christians are forbidden from offending people, particularly by having bad table manners
“I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died.” – Romans 14:14-15
>>84531635
Jesus makes his friends eat his flesh and drink his blood, and then has the gall to accuse others of bad table manners and get pissy about it?
>>84531514
Well the book of revelations is still canon, plenty of horrific abstract abominations in there.
>>84531656
Well, sorry to disappoint you but the show's over.
You're not entertaining or intelligent enough to even bother to argue with.
>>>/lit/
>>84531514
Noncanon doesn't mean never happened. Perhaps the church is evil.
>>84531635
Yeah that's bullshit and you're an idiot
Otherwise Jesus wouldn't have offended the Pharisees when he told them to fuck off, the entire point of Christianity is being unrepetently Christian
>>84531620
>pick Christianity
They didn't pick anything, they were forced to adopt it because of the make up of the population. The people forced Christianity on Rome, not the other way around..
>>84529523
>marxism
>welcome in europe
Not on my watch you fuckin' wankstain
>>84531518
She idolizes Marx and listens to the Sex Pistols, smokes weed, and majored in art. She's counterculture even by western standards.
Again, that's the point of the comic, it's all about how she's an outsider and outcast in both her countries (Iran and France). To be Marjane Satrapi is to suffer.
>>84531709
Please keep your retarded protestant fanfiction to yourself
>>84531699
Come on anon, don't be like that.
>>84531730
I like the sex pistols though
>>84531722
They werent the first eastern religion to gain popularity and demand domination and they wouldn't have been the last of the powers that be hadn't changed their tactics and invented their à la carte version of Christianity
>>84531748
It's been forever since I listened to punk rock. I always thought the Sex Pistols were "too mainstream" and preferred to listen to Crass or The Damned, though.
>>84531758
They made the best of a situation, but Rome had no choice but to adopt Christianity if they wanted to maintain the empire. It's not like they decided to promote a religion as means of control, they would have much rather stayed with the old system of the emperor being divine.
>>84531730
>To be Marjane Satrapi is to suffer.
K
>>84531741
>These human beings who claim knowledge of the divine can surely be trusted
Yeah right
Enjoy dying and finding out the entire proto-jew pantheon is still there
>>84531789
Good point, well made.
>>84531831
>>84531831
I unironically agree with this statement.
>>84531918
>Just look at what happened in France the other day; some lunatic ran a truck into a crowd of innocent people.
That wasn't very "Nice" of him.
>>84531929
That's a little fucked up, Carlos.
>>84531831
They have the capacity for greatness, and are equal, if not, better than us in average intelligence. What they actually lack is determination and basic reasoning. Men have more drive, and are just naturally better at making correct decisions. Women are also worse (abysmal even) at forming and maintaining social bonds. And that is a very important skill for people like leaders and scholars. Women are also largely incapable of being selfless, everything they do has to benefit them alone in some way, even if it's only subconsciously.
They have a multitude of flaws, and are clearly inferior. But to call them subhumans, and desire them culled is a bit harsh.
Will muslims ever be anything aside from useful idiots?
>>84531961
They are living the way people tell them based on nothing but esotheric books, so no.
>>84531465
But who wrote the Quran?
God didn't roll up to library one day and drop it on the desk.
>>84529523
I hated Persepolis too, and I'm french !
>>84529523
Islam should die, along with you
>>84530117
Most Muslims are brown people, so it's racist to point out shady shit in their religion. In Germany a politician lied to the police about her attackers ethnic background (He was a refugee from Syria) so that it wouldn't stir up racism. This is madness, the further the left moves away from where it was, the more I appear to be on the right
this thread is a good proof of how badly /co/ has degraded.
>>84532136
I don't think there's really a definite answer but from what I've read it's generally believed that a handful of Muhammad's companions transcribed it for him because Muhammad was an illiterate bastard.
>>84531955
>>84532239
Where will progress lead if it never stops progressing?
Will pedophilia be legal in 50 years?
>>84532239
That is sadly how the world works. I just don't understand how the far left even manages to reason itself. I have a physics classmate who is an "SJW" and she won't shut up, but i don't understand how or why she chose a subject that requires logical and objective thinking and still believes women in the western world are oppressed, or they are paid less or that 1/4 women will be raped in their life time. I don't want my generation to be know as the overly sensitive one
