Where were you when Geoff Johns saved DC?
The same place I was when he ruined it.
Right here. Watching everyone get their hopes up.
>>83966494
Sucking your moms cock.
>>83966494
>greatest heroes
Probably going to come off as disingenuous or a shill or whatever, but I stopped reading DC after Flashpoint and this finally got me back into it. So far I don't regret it at all. Very well done.
>>83966494
crying like a little bitch at my man Wally being back.
>>83966494
why there are two robins?
>>83966543
Yeah, where the fuck is Plastic Man in this photo? Fucking DC, neglecting their greatest superhero, no fucking lie.
>>83966602
Tim is back in his classic costume and Damian.
>>83966613
Oh yay storytime
>>83966628
>looks at Black Wally's costume
... oh no.
>>83966494
>Billy and his crew are there
>motherfucking Ted Kord AND Jaime
>Wally
>Constantine, Etrigan, and Zatanna
>Croc
>Sex Luthor
I'm ready. And which Bizarro is that?
Geoff ruined DC. New characters and new ideas? Don't give them any thought, don't get connected to them, don't even bother reading those stories, because it'll all be replaced with the old stuff in the next reboot.
New ideas are not wanted here. Thanks, Geoff.
>>83966706
That's not Bizarro.
Stop faggot. No one asked for a storytime.
>>83966494
Still no Phantom Lady? Fuck off, DC.
>>83966749
Reboot every few years. That's DC for ya!
>>83966811
That's not every character you fucking retard.
>>83966770
>The bullet is the Watchmen badge
I'll allow it
>>83966813
Reboots happen, but still keep previous ideas, just trim their fat. This is worse. "The Superman you've known for several years? Dead! The old Superman? He's back! Yeah!"
>>83966831
I just want Phantom Lady and Plastic Man back. Anons storytiming their team ups has given me an itch I need to scratch.
>>83966881
Dude he is obviously gonna come back.
>>83966881
Nice showing you haven't read the story.
>>83966743
>Bruce its Lois!
>Lois Lane she's the Key!
>Find her soon!
>>83966884
>>83966881
Yeah it sucks that death is always permanent in comics :(
>>83966743
Rotten tomatoes everywhere
>>83966494
>Shazamfam
Neato
>>83966494
>>83967271
>In car
>Car in tire loses
>Car move to side
>Man repair call to my car
>Fix tire works great
>Man repair gets call of phone.
>"hello"
>"Wally is back"
>Tells me Wally is back.
>"Yes"
>>83967314
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>>83967291
>>83967275
It still hurts. Pls let them get back together and not let wally get with some z list literally who
BURBANK, CA – DC’s REBIRTH line-wide relaunch continues to be a huge hit with fans, as more issues from the June title lineup head into their second printings. The following new issue #1’s will be going back to print: AQUAMAN #1 (Dan Abnett, Brad Walker, Andrew Hennessey, Gabe Eltaeb), THE FLASH #1 (Joshua Williamson, Carmine Di Giandomenico, Ivan Plascencia), WONDER WOMAN #1 (Greg Rucka, Liam Sharp, Laura Martin) and legacy numbered ACTION COMICS #958 (Dan Jurgens, Patrick Zircher, Ulises Arreola) and DETECTIVE COMICS #935 (James Tynion IV, Eddy Barrows, Eber Ferreira, Adriano Lucas).
Spinning out of Geoff Johns’ DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH #1, these titles continue this new universe of storytelling featuring the most iconic characters in comics and the best writers and artists in the business. More titles are scheduled to debut now through October, with many of them appearing on shelves twice monthly, so fans will continue to get more of the excitement and action that’s made DC a fan-favorite for more than 80 years.
Each second printing will feature the comic’s original cover art but will replace the blue curtain image with recolored REBIRTH banners at the top. These issues will arrive in comic retail stores July 20 at the original $2.99 cover price.
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>>83967339
>at work
>my work is sell fish in fish stand
>sell fish
>friend call me while at working
>"Wally is back"
>"Yes"
>>83966494
Shitposting on /co/
The New 52 went to multiple printings too
>>83966494
Who is the guy in red at the bottom left?
>>83967166
We are not reading about he latest race swamping or "epic" controversy at marvel at least
>>83967471
Wally
>>83967472
Same garbage, different trash can
>>83967466
I will never not get chocked up reading this.
>>83966749
You mean all those fresh new ideas that tanked?
Marvel is no better. New ideas are bombing over there too.
A majority of readers do not want new and fresh ideas.
We are not the majority of readers. We are the counter culture.
>>83967471
Wally West. You already know. You just wanna say "I thought he was a nigger?!" Now fuck off.
>>83967494
Oh shit
>>83967514
Or I wasn't sure who the heck it was?
>>83967511
>Marvel is no better
Who the fuck was even talking about Marvel? You fanboys, so touchy
i was in bed, drinking montain dew, when fred rang
'DC is save'
'yes'
>>83966749
New ideas simply do not sell, look at Prez and Midnighter, people complained because of the continuity and in case you need "new ideas" you can read young animal you dumbass
>>83967538
Yeah hes got a mix of his kf and flash outfits. And is gonna be called the flash
I personally woulda liked impulse so he could honor his non existant cousin and daughter
>>83967547
but he is saying the truth, no one wants new ideas, people want the same old same old
>>83967559
Just noticed this is the nine panel style the Watchmen had.
>>83967574
>a revamped character from the 70s and a 90s character are "new ideas"
The end
>>83967547
Did I bash Marvel anywhere? You seem to be the touchy one.
It's a general state of industry. Marvel is relevant to that.
Very rarely does a new and fresh idea take off and sell. For every one Kamala you have like ten failed attempts. That's the sad truth.
>>83967623
New Characters ? those would not sell nowadays without a movie backing them or having a legacy, if Miss marvel was a new hero she would have tanked already
>>83967610
You don't have new ideas by throwing out the old stuff. You have new ideas by taking the old stuff and building on it.
Remember when DC took their neglected magical stuff and built the Endless and Swamp Thing and Hellblazer and Lucifer? None of that required throwing out Dr. Fate or Etrigan.
Rebirth isn't even a reboot.
It's barely even a continuity patch. The vast majority of titles are literally going directly from previous story beats that were established in the DCYou. Rebirth is simply a course correct that's re-establishing characters people missed, realigning the tone with what people expect, and getting back to basics.
The 10 years were stolen line is simply meant to explain in a meta sense why the New 52 is different from the pre-boot universe. They're not planning on bringing back those 10 years.
>>83967738
>None of that required throwing out Dr. Fate or Etrigan
Yeah sure but when was the last both of those became relevant ? the only reason those worked was because Vertigo was a great thing back in the day, if John was done today he would last 12 issues max
>>83967776
He is done today. Last series lasted like 15 issues and is getting relaunched for rebirth
>>83967346
Shit what did Wally do to deserve this?
>>83967807
Be a straight white cis male
>>83967501
One trash can actually has some neat stuff at the bottom.
>>83967805
Sure but people knew Johns from back in the vertigo years and literally those were the best part of it
>>83967805
That's not what he meant or said.
If Hellblazer was a brand new debuting title today it wouldn't last 12 issues.
And that is entirely correct. So few new ideas and characters can take off.
Even new concepts with older obscure characters struggle.
A strong book like Omega Men or Midnighter stands no chance because peopled are more likely to flock to a mediocre book like Vendetti's Flash or even a shitty book like Finch's Wonder Woman because those name brands feel safe and recognizable to them.
>>83966494
>dat happy Wondy
The best thing about Rebirth for me is that all the promo stuff has Diana coming off as a nice gal. As she should be.
Though here, Gary Frank's faces make her look a little too mellow.
>>83967792
>>Alimony
Tell her I love her.
Is the DCuck meme going to become real? Not DC too, please, no.
>>83967899
that's Reis art
>>83967805
Then maybe they should find a gap in the market that people actually want. People wanted dark, deconstructive edgy stuff in the 90s because unless you were a Russian or a Rwandan those times were pretty good.
Mass media's refusal to acknowledge that if we want depressing shit about mass murdering psychos and corrupt politicians we can just turn on the fucking news and that we look to our entertainment mediums to escape that is killing them.
Christ, why do you think A Hero Is You vidya is so popular in this day and age?
>>83967903
MY
>>83967923
Not him but that face is not in his style.
It's closer to Frank's.
I assumed that image was a collaborative effort between the various Rebirth one shot artists.
>>83967966
DICK
>>83967961
They literally did that, Omega man was pretty much a story about terrorism,Midnighter was like a Tarantino flick and Prez was political satire
>>83967977
>Not him but that face is not in his style.
it's not but he clearly drew the rest of the OP spread, it would be weird if they just did Frank on one face
also it's not a normal Frank rapeface either
>>83966494
>John Constantine
>anywhere near superheroes
>let alone running with them
0/10 Goeff Johns is (and always has been) a fag.
>>83967889
Moore's Swamp Thing sold quite well back in the day. Spinning off of it was a recipe for success. There were plenty of new characters and books that failed to gain traction back then too, I'm not sure why you're romanticizing this.
Pic related.
>>83967977
I think it might just be weird inking or something
>>83968003
DC You had a book for everyone. Starfire was a sitcom, Grayson was a spythriller, Batgirl was a lighthearted shoujo series, Hellblazer was horror, Catwoman was a crime thriller, Robin was a classic Adventure book.
It's why it's so upsetting to that it failed. There was a book for everyone. It was fresh and new and exciting and while the core books were weaker the C-listers and new titles were mostly pretty strong with a few exceptions.
The comic industry won't really be able to survive if new ideas and titles aren't accepted by their autistic reader base.
>>83968068
I can keep this up if you want.
Guess how many issues this one lasted?
>>83968119
Holy fuck yes. Superboy had the best costume back then
>>83968119
19 and I own every glorious one
>>83968119
The point is that all those guys don't usually survive well dude, John made it because he appeared on Hellblazer and helped puss the Vertigo line, but stuff like Hourman will never get 30 issue nowadays, Unless Dan wants it
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>>83967478
Jesus Christ the feels
>>83968233
Now that i think about it, why everyone hates Dan so much ? part of me thinks that Young Animal was his baby and he helped keep Jonah Hex afloat
>>83968040
According to the actual story he is trying to get rid of them
>johns actually does twilight of the superheroes
>uses watchmen characters
>>83968119
Never forget.
>>83968254
Because dan is the biggest face at dc. Like he isnt the highest but he is the highest that is that public
>>83967571
"Who watched the watchmen?"
>>83968254
>muh Wally
>muh Cass
>muh Steph
>>83968254
mostly just a few incidents taken out of context
>"Countdown was 52 done right"
>wanted to kill Dick in Infinite Crisis
>>83968323
Both of which where right in the way he meant. Dick was in a shitty book where he got raped and was revealed he fucked babs after he found out about her accident and then the next morning invited her to his wedding with starfire.
And countdown wasnt as bad editorially which was what he meant
>>83968254
Because he tends to be very open and honest about his opinions.
And he tells the truth a lot too.
Like when he said something about DC not catering to woman because surveys show they don't really actually buy comics.
And then there's the Stephanie Brown thing, or the infamous way he treated Peter David, Rucka, and Waid.
>>83968254
He mismanaged DC properties, scared off tons of talent, failed to live up to his own vision of consolidating the DCU (twice) and let DC's marketspace get swooped up by other companies
>>83968372
>he treated Peter David, Rucka, and Waid
And he actually fixed bridges with Rucka after all that shit, i kind of wonder what is Waid problem with DC though, he loves the Flash and loves its characters, i have no idea about Peter david though
>>83967105
So when time reboot shit happens or whatever and brings someone back from the dead do their souls just get ripped out of heaven/hell or what?
>>83968372
>infamous way he treated Peter David, Rucka, and Waid.
What
>>83968466
He Promised Rucka All stars wonder woman but gave it to Morrison
>>83968466
>>83968430
David I believe was because he personally canceled Young Justice despite being a fan favorite that was a strong seller because, to Dan, it was everything wrong with how the DC line was at that point
Sorry, I missed whatever announcement was supposed to happen today, what's the verdict?
Also is Rebirth supposed to fix all the continuity and rebooting stuff? Haven't touched DC since Flashpoint.
>>83968430
He did. And he's trying to fix quite a few burned bridges.
With Peter David it was cancelling Young Justice and talking shit about the series without knowing anything about it. Plus calling it a flop despite doing exactly what it was created to do.
With Waid it was a pile of stuff. For one Waid is never working with Harris, but there was what he was told second hand regarding 52, making Bart Flash despite his protests (Which lead to his "Bart's already dead" quote upon being told they were going to kill him and bring Wally back) and then giving him Flash back only for it to be a filler to the brand hold over until Flash Rebirth was ready. That's probably not even everything.
![[Confused screaming].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/o87X7TQ.jpg "[Confused screaming].jpg")
>mfw The New 52 & DCYou actually tried to have some genre diversity, and now people are praising DC for being risk-avoidant as hell
>>83968492
Kind of Funny that that happened considering that David came back to do the Young Justice episode
>>83968483
All Star Wonder Woman was Adam Hughes' project, not Rucka's.
>>83966978
>admitting the 'death' and the story itself doesn't even matter
Why do you read this?
>>83968483
You mean earth one
>>83968530
>risk-avoidant as hell
Young Animal is still around, the Hanna-Barbera relaunch is pretty risky, almost all of the dudes who wrote the best DCYou books are sticking around and got promotions. The majority of Rebirth is springing out of plot points that were born in DCYou. Don't know what you want here dude.
>>83968492
It wasn't a strong seller, it was just selling alright.
Impulse, Superboy, Robin, and Young Justice were being published as titles readers could share with their kids and even if DC took a lose the entire concept was that kids would grow up to read more titles. Robin was selling the best, followed by Young Justice. Superboy and Impulse were selling worse but Young Justice was cancelled first and DiDio insulted the book and especially hated Slobo despite not really knowing much about it.
Pretty sure it was one of the, if not the, first things he did when he became Executive Editor.
>>83968544
Yeah he's talked about that, and pretty much the animation side of Warner has almost nothing to do with DC's publishing side.
Which is why McDuffie was such a resource for DCAU and got shat on under DC Comics
>>83968680
>and got shat on under DC Comics
Alright now, the main reason his JLA run got throw into the bus was because of Morrison doing his crazy ass events
>>83968680
He deserved it for writing shit like ASS and Doom tho
>>83968734
Yes, a publisher and editor in chief failing to effectively communicate between talent to syncronize the books is a failing on them, not on the talent.
It's why people don't talk shit about Giordano as an EIC
>>83966667
Oh shit here we go again!
>>83968855
I would hope no one talks shit about Giordano. The man was great.
Save the company
Throw the people whose work you obviously really like under the bus because you need a scapegoat
No thanks.
>>83968516
Today's news was nothing. Just the movie logo.
>>83967618
Even though I'm still iffy on them incorporating Watchmen into the DCU in this way, I think bookending the Rebirth issue in that style is a nice callback. I also like how they play with the zooming in/out perspective with it.
>>83968559
Why do you even care? Fuck off faggot.
>>83967763
If anything it's just running with the "story > continuity" mindset from DCYou. Creators like Johns wanted to play around with aspects of the DCU from before the New 52 so they're accounting for that within the setting as a whole now.
>>83969003
It was way more than just bookends >>83967138
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>>83967478
This is high art.
>>83967333
Huh, I didn't think much of this page before seeing Batman Rebirth no. 1, but given what happens in it... it's almost like those two were waiting for that plane to happen.
There's pretty much 0% chance they're actually good people, isn't there?
>>83969045
I caught the "Pandora gets blown up by Manhattan just like Rorschach" thing, but I didn't realize that the whole goddamn page was a clear reference to that scene until someone pointed it out.
In my defense, it's been like three years since I last read Watchmen.
>>83969054
I'm not even a big Flash fan and I got teary reading it. That's some quality goddamn comic right here.
>>83969085
>>83969085
I've heard speculation that Gotham himself isAlan Scottwhich would be a fucking cool twist.
>>83969120
>>83969054
The Flash Rebirth issue retreaded a lot of this scene, but it was nice seeing Barry's perspective on it and I like that Williamson seems to have a hand on Barry's voice as a character through that.
I just wish the Booth's art wasn't so distractingly ugly in Titans.
>>83969122
That would make Gotam Girl...Jadethen? I'm not too familiar withJSAstuff, only really exposed in crossovers.
>>83969122
intresting
>>83966494
>saved
Nonsense. Their is still plenty of time for someone to fuck up royal and screw the whole thing
Q: Why does PreFlashpoint Superman wear Nu52 Superman's costume?
>>83969167
While the Flash issue for sure looked back on it, it didn't have the exact same composition. It was a little weaker in that issue, which I thought was fine, since it was more setting up where things go from there. So then we get Rebirth 1 for "Read this for a fucking emotional roller coaster of a journey" and "Read Flash to see how it's going to tie into Flash's narrative going forward".
And it's fucking working, I'm gonna pick up Rebirth #1 when it's in again at my comic shop, just to own it.
>>83969223
He realised he looked better without the red undies
>>83969223
his costume is different
>>83967501
Not really.
>>83969250
The second printing is more money but it's also prestige format release that's perfect for a shelf.
>>83967547
Triggered Marvelfag?
>>83966494
I maintain that that Harley design is just fucking dreadful. The fucking worst.
>>83966494
I'm still waiting for this image with the lettering removed. I want to use it as a wallpaper
So much padding, filler, and continuity wank literally only spotty nerds care about
And why even bring the Watchmen into this shit
Alan Moore must be spinning in his magic pedo dungeon
>>83969864
I'm pretty sure it'll end up getting released as a poster soon enough.
>>83969832
Why does she have goggles?
Are they making her into a "woman in tech now" is she going to be an engineer instead of a psychiatrist?
>>83969452
Yeah kind of wish I held out for it now.
>>83966530
pa pa?
>>83966494
Why's Deathstroke in that picture? Is he a hero now?
>>83970215
He's starring in a book so he's on the spread
>>83970215
Anybody who is prominent in a book is on the spread.
Except for Kyle.
>>83970015
There's going to be a hardcover that has all the Rebirth oneshots in it.
>>83966494
Diana looks very kawaii uguu
>at least 5 kyroptonians(ish)
I mean, I thought getting rid of supergirl post COIE was stupid, but have some fucking restraint
So why are they trying to redeem Clayface?
I feel like Killer Croc would make more sense desu
>>83968254
http://www.savagecritic.com/retailing/the-case-against-dan-didio/
So who's going to be the Wonder Woman in the Damien Mini-Clark shindig
>>83970566
He's getting redeemed in Earth One.
And now Clayface sort of has a daughter that he can try to bond with, if anyone wants to pick that thread up.
>>83970671
I like the way you think.
>>83970674
>sort of has a daughter
>sort of
His wife's daughter?
>>83968530
>>mfw The New 52 & DCYou actually tried to have some genre diversity, and now people are praising DC for being risk-avoidant as hell
"Genre diversity" was never the problem with Nu52, and I'd gladly re-welcome it. The problem was that their superhero universe, their bread and butter, got turned to SHIT. It was SHIT because it was DIFFERENT and DIFFERENT is objectively BAD.
>>83967202
so how plausible is it that mr oz isozymandias? how does it even makes sense?
>>83970716
There is no wife.
Remember that episode of BTAS where he split off part of himself to make a girl that Tim fell head over heels with and then he reabsorbed her and it was the saddest thing ever?
Something like that happened in Gotham Academy, except the gang puled her back out.
>>83970803
About as plausible asRorschachbeing the Joker's true identity.
And by that I mean, extremely.
>>83970803
It's so obvious I'll be shocked if it is.
Who else could it be?
>>83970845
Sheeeit.
I really should catch up with Gotham Academy
>>83969045
snyder already (probably) put watchmen easter eggs in MoS and BvS, but legally speaking, can WarnerBros use manhattan in the DCEU films?
>>83970566
Because of the later Batwoman stuff.
Which I admit I have not read yet.
>>83970671I don't know but I hope it's a third shota.
>>83970803
Mr. Oz seems to be a black man though.
I can't entirely tell.
>>83966831
Not that anon but you can't blame him for wanting best girl. Also fuck off asshole.
>>83970720
>DIFFERENT is objectively BAD
This is why BvS tanked
>>83968528
David returned to Marvel after that, but later than Waid.
>>83971244
Also because "bad" is objectively bad too.
>>83966494
Would it kill them to include a stretchy dude in the group shot? Elongated Man came back and I think Plas is around too.
They have fucking Deathstroke for god's sake.
>>83966494
people are going come in here and say he's DC's Bendis and sincerely believe that
>>83967763
>They're not planning on bringing back those 10 years.
They will. Or this will be another failure.
>>83971547
Deathstroke has a book.
>>83970266
This.
Where is he post rebirth?
>>83967807
He surpassed Barry.
>>83967807
He was more popular than Barry.
Literally that was the reason. DC decided it'd be bad for Barry's popularity if Wally was around because people liked him more and would expect him to become the main Flash again.
>>83966494
He didn't save it so much as he just made it suck slightly less.
>>83967574
There's no reason to believe new characters don't sell. DC and Marvel never even try new characters anymore, and historically new characters have sold VERY well.
Crazy theory time, guys!
>>83967492
I think something really interesting about this is Barry basically remembers the New 52 version of Wally if there was a New 52 version. He just thinks he forgot about Wally around the same time everyone forgot the Titans
But Wally corrects him here
>>83967513
Wally never disappeared with the Teen Titans. Because the Teen Titans didn't disappear -- they were just forgotten (by their own doing). What happened to the Titans wouldn't have gotten Wally stuck in the Speed Force -- that was Flashpoint where he died. It's like the universe is course correcting itself to fit this narrative and Wally's an aberration it's working around.
It shows up in Flash Rebirth, too, when Barry talks about the Speed Force trying to get him to remember stuff from the old timeline before Wally shows up. To help him remember Wally -- it doesn't make him remember stuff about this timeline because Wally never existed!
This is me making a shot in the dark but I think the Speed Force is actively, in some way, combating the changes to the universe and Wally's its hail mary. That's why it sticks the Watchmen badge in Batman's wall -- that wasn't Wally's doing. The Speed Force is pushing back against something that's altered it (which is why the New 52 Speed Force is WAY different from the one Wally's experiencing in this very book).
Obviously the antagonist here is Manhattan, but The Speed Force seems to be playing into this in a way it never really has before in a major event. Usually it just sticks to being the mysterious force The Flash gets his powers from, but I don't think it's ever actively, almost consciously done stuff like this before. I guess if you need something to stand up to Manhattan going godmode the Speed Force is a good place to start.
>>83968528
Yeah Waid's too obstinate to ever put anything aside.
It's a shame, now would actually be the perfect time to bring him back and start up that Wally West/Flash Family stuff he wanted to do that they undercut him on. He's the only dude I'd 100% always trust to write Wally well.
>>83974705
The only times he ever talked about Wally on Twitter are when he gave his blessings to Keiynan and when he stated Wally should keep The Flash name after Rebirth.
I feel really sorry for him because he clearly wants to write The Flash again and he's the only one many people can trust.
>>83967763
$0.10 was just deposited in your Warner Bros. account.
>>83974875
He still has that one Wally West story he always wanted to tell -- why he hates time travel. Man this would be the perfect time for that story. Would tie nicely into him returning after Flashpoint.
>>83969257
He doesn't though
>>83974984
He's been teasing it since 90s, I'll be really sad if we never get story in the end.
Rucka is back and Waid's Marvel work are mediocre, anything can happen, r-right?
>>83975128
No. Rucka doesn't hate Harras like Waid does. Waid has said a lot of terrible (and factual) shit about Harras that precludes the company from ever hiring him again until Harras leaves AND someone who's not his friend is in charge.
Fat chance.
>>83975239
Said it before but Johns is basically acting as EIC right now. I don't think Harras has any power. It might be possible.
>>83970720
The comics were fucking bad, umkay? They were bad.
I mean, genre diversity is all good and nice, but when you put literally whos to work on these diverse books who manage to only shit out mediocre to bad stories, then what's the fucking point? I mean, does anyone here regard Blackhawks, Men of War or shit as some gems? Fuck no.
The only good superhero books that were good, other than Morrison's shit, were the ones that were in production before the reboot and managed to retain most of their previous continuity.
>>83966525
Fuckingamazing, well put.
