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I know, I know, but I can't get it out of my system.
This whole debacle, it feels it has come down to this comic book issue of mockingbird.
>>83656482
bump
I will bump all night if I have to but I need this put to rest and /co/ out of all the boards seems to keep its head out of its ass the most with this shit, and have a calm rational discussion. Some times...
>>83656482
Now how is it that this narritive of Victimizing ever get past the editors?
At what point do rational people say this is all hippocritical nonsese?
It felt like (possibly unintended) parody, the schizophrenic and frequently over-the-top tone coupled with more subtle bits like complaining about the lack of female heroes while everything is plastered in female hero merchandise (including the lunchbox in the flashback where it starts) and exclaiming "Hah, just kidding, it's still bad" while lounging in her elaborate secret underwater laboratory.
>>83656609
you mean this one.
So you don't take it seriously, but you think the writer was serious?
>>83656609
>just kidding it's still bad
is it me? Or these young women who believe this really comparing what women went through in the past, who had less rights and less access to education. Then putting what they experienced today as same horrible form of injustice?
>>83656512
>/co/ out of all the boards seems to keep its head out of its ass the most with this shit, and have a calm rational discussion
>>83656721
you know it's true
>>83656628
This has to be satire right...right?!
>>83656482
Lmao, even her shirt says 'girl power', didn't even notice the first time around. This comic is just trying way too much and honesty if I hadn't seen the retardation of feminism in these last couple of years than I would assume it was satire.
>>83656765
I highly doubt it, the author is a legit feminist and they tend to force their views rather bluntly.
See:
>>83656776
>>83656765
no, I'm sure there are sain women who would think that it's a satire.
>>83656776
this is the proud tweets of the writer
>>83656776
>they were short changed in the 1970s
in what way were they?
>>83656797
>protagonist kills a innocent looking SWAT trooper trying to help her while bitching about tampons
>this is suppose to be worth celebrating
>gets praise from readers
3rd Wave Feminism was a mistake.
>>83656482
>advertising shitty comics
if it's shit, never talk about it
>>83656482
#Currentyearcomics
So do you guys think this decade will be known as Marvel pandering to progressives much like how the 90s are known as edgy? Perhaps it'll never stop and they will be their noew core-audience.
>>83656865
Aren't we in like the 4th wave or something? Or is that still to be determined?
>>83656776
>>83656776
>>83656776
how do these people even get a job at marvel?Jesus
>>83656873
>their noew core-audience.
And that was the day comics died
SJW dont buy shit, that would be supporting capitalism.
>>83656873
Will anything top this?
>>83656873
I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up known as the decade comics, at least the big two anyway, ended/canceled and movies replaced them.
>>83656886
I'd agree it's 4th wave, given what I've heard of 3rd pre-SJW.
>>83656886
Nope we're in third wave.
>>83656482
>live in a culture than still can't talk about tampons.
But that's wrong or does america doesn't have tampon ad and thing like that ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuBPLNfbjZc
Anyway women talking about their period is like guys talking about the big shit they took in the morning,
>>83656886
I'm still confused on what wave, I thought we were in third wave but there are anons who make the case it's the 4th.
>>83656890
I mean the new Thor is selling decently isn't it? At least some will spend dough on comics. What's OG-Thor even up to?
>>83656908
Don't be sexist, anon. It's a huge issues for oppressed women all over the western world.
>>83656873
that can't be true though since the writers constantly get tweets telling them to stop writing. It's like marvel doesn't want to be considered mysoginistic, so they hire women despite having no experience.
>>83656917
I dunno, decent is the best selling female super hero? even then it's not selling as much as their male counter parts.
>>83656908
Perfect example really. Hell, I'd probably feel more comfortable having to converse about a woman bleeding right now than about the big shit someone took. More conversation options like sympathy can be played rather than just simple sarcastic "nice..."
>>83656482
So what exactly is there to talk about regarding tampons?
>>83656951
well you know we only talk about to gross eachother out, it's like chicken, buy with poop
>>83656951
>sympathy
I have never had a woman respond well to sympathy on her period, other then one. And she is a special case.
>>83656961
it doesn't say
>>83656917
last I checked it was like the 6th best selling comic out of roughly four hundred
>>83656961
Luxury tax apparently.
But free-bleeders sort dug that grave for them.
>>83656935
So what really are they after?
If a co-worker tells me they're on the rag should I provide sympathy? Or is that chauvinistic and sexist? Do they want to treat it like a gross dudebro thing and high five them for being a bloody mess between their thighs?
>>83656961
You just need to talk about, okay. Also sonmething about it being taxed like toliet paper or something.
>>83656951
the sympathy part is constantly misconstrued into something else. There is nothing that makes them feel better, so trying to do so just makes them mad even more.
>>83656765
The artist does appear to be doing an unreliable narrator thing but given >>83656776 I think anything that appears to be deep or like there's a "thing" happening is purely by accident.
Kinda like a Dave Willis comic where he gives characters really sympathetic backstories but his intent is for them to be a 100% pure evil strawman for you to hate.
>>83656993
If you have an opinion on tampons they don't like your mansplaining, so you're pigeonholed into agreeing with them. Better feel the room and just nod when asked.
>>83656975
>mansplaining
ok he was being a creep in this one, but mansplaining doesn't make sense in this context.
>>83656961
Well for starters, asking if I can lick it up after they're nice and bloody.
>>83656993
just ignore them, act like normal, if they snap continue to act normal and don't talk about their behavior. Many women can act and behave normally on their period, there are others who just can't control themselves.
>>83656873
Even DC is doing it now.
Someone post mansplaining Wonder Woman.
>>83657026
I guess only Trump can get away with equating moodiness to menstruation.
>>83657039
I heard that writer was canned
don't know for sure though.
>>83657044
not really, people bitch about what he says all the time, he just doesn't give a fuck.
>>83657039
I got you, senpai.
>>83657011
Mansplaining is a man acting like he knows better than a woman (when he doesn't) in a condescending or smug way.
So yes it absolutely makes sense in context.
>>83657064
No, I mean if a woman got angry about you and you said she was only angry because she had blood coming out of her wherever you'd get screamed at.
>it's a '/co/ only advertises books they hate' thread
this is why good writing doesn't sell.
>>83657075
oh, I thought it was explaining their place in society.
Saying a girl should go alone is just being protective.
>>83657094
I highly doubt anybody in here is gonna buy this comic.
>>83656988
While I'd probably wouldn't mind trying to eat out a bloody vagina at least once, the idea of free-bleeding is off putting just because it ruins perfectly good clothing with blood stains.
Why bother with the added burden of removing blood stains or dealing with brown dry blood splotches on clothes?
>>83657095
It gets twisted, sometimes it means being talked down to, but I've seen other people say it means stating something in too simplistic a way because you assume the other person would understand if they were a man.
>>83657080
I undersrand, stay calm and collective, give 3 seconds of silence and say would you like time alone?
leave then act like nothing happened and if you are lucky and the girl is a good person, then she will apologize for snapping at you.
>>83656482
Why'd she murder that SWAT guy? She a villain?
>>83657075
If this is the correct definition, then how the hell have I never heard of "womansplaining"?
>>83657075
i thought mansplaining is when a man makes sense and women cant handle their logic
>>83657075
Yeah its not as cut and paste as womandriving.
>>83657075
>>83657122
>>83657132
Is the opposite of mansplaining "womanswering"?
>>83657129
Tampons, bro. Absorbent fibers in the vagina for the purposes of soaking up discarded uterine lining.
Can I make it any more obvious?
>>83657129
She is a strong independent young woman of possible ethnic background.
>>83657122
but being talked down too can be easily misconstrued. There are times where some one just says something and a bitch snaps at them saying they are mansplaining. Or even a simple correction, it's like everyone's ego is so paper thin.
>>83657151
Women are always right, so there's no need for such a phrase.
>>83657132
It already has a term, nagging. It's been around for about 10,000 years.
>>83657154
>>83657160
No really. Why's she kill a SWAT officer?
>>83657132
Same reason why you don't hear jokes about "male drivers". It's a stereotype that men will mansplain things. Just like it's a stereotype that women are bad drivers.They're both true but over exaggerated
>>83657175
>gender neutral term
Bitch, I've been nagged by more men in my life then women.
>>83657129
it's actually because the cop was treating her like a child by giving her a juice box. I've noticed that young girls don't like being considered a child and when they are on their period for the first time all kinds of anger and emotions flood in that only women could truly understand.
>>83657165
Lots of people have chips on their shoulders. I knew a guy that didn't go to college who got hugely buttmad whenever my university classes came up in conversation because he felt like I was acting superior to him.
>>83657198
So did the rest of the SWAT team mow her down in bullets?
>>83657203
Now have that friend of yours be a new wave feminist, and they will say you are mansplaining. Most if not all of these new feminists have huge chips on their shoulders.
>>83657171
>>83657137
>Men have been calling women "nags" for ages
>Women come up with a word for the male version of nagging
>Men's egos are so fragile they immediately get mad whenever the term is used, even if it's used correctly.
Literally cannot handle the bantz.
>>83657176
She asked for tampons and he gave her a juice box to calm her down.
>>83657217
no she kills a dude in a helicopter, and kills a a reporter and other cops by draining the color from them.
>>83657217
We can only hope, thinking about the concept of killing someone over being treated like a child has made me legitimately mad now.
>>83656873
Do you think we'll eventually get a Kingdom Come for this generation and have a comic about Captain America fighting off self-entitled third-wave feminists and their mindless horde of nu male henchman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
I always find it ironic that feminists champion neutral language when it pertains to words which describe women's behavior, but often use words such a mansplain without a second's thought.
Remember 'Ban Bossy'?
Now does the thing mansplaining describe happen? Yes, but then why shouldn't we be allowed to craft words such as:
Womoaning: the tendency of women to complain loudly about minor issues, often issues that don't even really exist.
Femnagging: a common behavior among women during which they annoy men by constantly harping about some small problem.
Bitchwording: the tendency of women to invent sexist words in order to lump blame and shame upon men.
Without being labelled as sexists?
>>83657227
>make up word
>say its bantz
Guess I know some five year olds that are real fire.
>>83657235
What superhero put her down then? Or is the whole comic just some villain running amok?
>>83657227
I believe it's because it's sexist to use nagging now, and when used you get your balls chopped off.
>>83657227
Maybe that one faggot. Any woman who actually uses the word mansplain in public basically will get automatically tuned out for revealing themselves to be a feminazi.
>>83657227
More annoyed at the double-standards of people who claim to be for equality.
>>83657229
she never asked for tampons
>>83657227
They're not the same, nagging means annoying or complaining to someone, taking from the Scandinavian dialect Ganga (to bite or gnaw). And it's not exclusive to women.
Mansplaining means a man said something in a way I don't like that a woman would have said better.
>>83657249
since when is this not considered sexist?
>>83657277
Did you forget that men need to psychically know what a woman wants at all times?
>>83657259
the comic is about mockingbird, who is a shield agent, she has gadgets like batman. This girl is some random power user.
>>83656628
>I'm not fat, I'm big boned
That's the oldest excuse in the book.
>>83657293
That's only with the crazy women, that's why that cop died.
>>83657068
That line is too hilarious to dislike
>>83657319
>(You)
>>83657319
>le_bait_fish.jpg
1/10 made me reply sarcastically.
>>83657318
so is the patriarchy is holding women down.
>>83657319
This has nothing to do with MRA.
This about common sense, and with this book, the lack there of.
>>83657292
Since they changed the definition of the word, silly.
>>83657324
>Mansplaining equals truth
>>83657319
>Master Baiter
>>83656886
What signifies a new wave? I'd like to think it's every time they completely change their mind on sexual liberation again.
>>83657338
oh of course, wait who changed the definition? plus I had no idea those were even words.
>>83657350
Over privilaged white females and males complain over other whites privilages.
>>83657242
That would be genuinely glorious.
Maybe have a huge, apocalyptic villain be coming to destroy Earth and the nu-heroes just waste all their prep-time complaining about patriarchy in super-teams and questioning whether humanity wanting to stop this villain is just fear of "the other" while all the old geezer heroes have to take the guy on themselves under the criticism of the Social Justice heroes.
>>83657350
From what I recall, it's based on when their demands change.
>First Wave: Women's Sufferage
>Second Wave: Sexual Liberation
>Third Wave: Female depiction in popular culture (?)
Actually not really sure what 3rd wavers want despite seeing their bitching everywhere nowadays.
>>83657350
Feminism always swings between sex negative and sex positive.
>>83657277
I think the narration boxes were meant to imply that the girl did not feel comfortable enough to ask for tampons.
>>83657386
>Actually not really sure what 3rd wavers want despite seeing their bitching everywhere nowadays.
Absolutely anything and everything to avoid talking about how women are treated in the Middle East or in third world countries.
in b4 "YOU CAN CARE ABOUT MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME...JUST BECAUSE WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T CARE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T TITTIES IN COMICS AND GAMES FIRST!"
>>83656482
>a fucking family man dies, because he didn't get her feminist views
Lol.
>>83657380
Social justice heroes expect everything to be done for them, because they shouldn't have too. Villian says mean things, social justice heroes beg for veteran heroes to help, and they say.... no.
>>83656482
She didn't kill him, he was shown being saved by Mockingbird in the very next panel.
The thing that kills me is that having a feminist theme isn't all that hard, so why are these writers so heavy handed and clunky?
Bizarre.
>>83657350
I always saw it as the point where a new generation tells an old generation they're not going far enough or there's something they're not addressing , while belittling any work they have done.
>>83657399
yes, and the juice box is for a child and she kills the guy over a fucking juice box. So she's not comfortable talking about tampons but ok killing people who offer her a juice box is hope to help her out.
>>83656482
>a culture that still can't talk about tampons
Is this a Christian thing or something?
>>83657414
Well shit, that's one bit of good news. Congrats on the comic, I may not give a shit about the main characters, the comic, or women problems but it made me care about a fictional SWAT officer who seemed to be a decent enough person.
>>83657417
because the current wave feminists have to have things handed to them with minimal effort.
>>83657417
They're looking to attract what's percieved as a large audience while scoring credibility points from society, but they're mistaking sound volume for physical volume.
>>83657406
Don't forget about manspreading. A crime if ever there were one.
>>83657437
no its the delusions of a feminist writer with little world experience. Most Feminists are.
>>83657459
Ah yes, the biggest scourge against women today - men sitting with their legs slightly apart on public transportation.
>>83657437
It shouldn't be, Christianity did away with the whole Jewish thing of "Menstruating women need to be locked up in the house until they stop bleeding unclean blood."
Along with not being allowed to eat sweet pork and shellfish and having to have your foreskin cut off.
>>83657112
talking is advertising, is relevance
even bitching about it is inflating the presence is has in digital discussion, which gets bystanders interested, because google tracks everything
>>83657417
Feminists are not known for being subtle in their message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH_ZryBfCtU
>>83657472
It's a real problem in Scottland, you know.
>>83657487
that and peeing on the toilet seat
>>83657459
Too bad Anita Sarkessias call to have women manspread didn't catch on.
>no full view of women's cameltoe crotches
;_;
>>83657487
If only it could be solved by something simple like asking the guy to scoot over.
If only we lived in such a world.
But now we can only dream.
We can only dream.
>>83657412
Maybe the SJHeroes response team to deal with the villain is crap because they chose the line-up based on diversity rather than ability.
>>83657496
camel toe walk
oh that would have been hilarious
>>83657496
It would have taken a step further into exclusion cubes becoming a regular thing.
>>83657508
The progressive stack!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs
>>83657508
SPIDERMAN
THE NOT WHITE ONE
TAKE ON GALACTUS! USE YOUR DEVERSITY TO BEAT HIM!
>>83657503
asking is giving away power, giving power to the man! No woman should be asked to have courage like that!
>>83657508
That's what I was thinking too.
>white guy is a hero that counters the villain hard
>They have a minority hero who is at a disadvantage fight the villain because it's the progressive thing to do
>white guy isn't allowed to come to his aid because blah blah white man's burden
>hero dies
>they blame whitey
>>83657532
Galactus is a good guy these days
>>83657561
right because pigsquirl girl did something useless and won right.
>>83657524
>What matters is not the merit of your ideas, but your identity
Just fuck my shit up. This shit is a fucking disease.
>>83657508
>>83657553
This honestly sounds like it could be a legitimate book in a few years time.
>>83657553
That's not even satire at that point. That's literally the kind of shit that's happening right now.
Fucking Canada refusing help from the States and Russia to fight that forest fire, fly in a bunch of black South African firefighters instead and now they're on strike for low wages.
>>83657417
You can even drop some clunkers if you've got a sufficiently engaging story, good art or even just a determination to take it as far as you can into crazytown.
In Slaine (and Nemesis/ABC Warriors, to a lesser extent) Pat Mills constantly went off on one about the importance of female power and the brutish, controlling stupidity of patriarchs and few people give a shit because it also awesome
>>83657589
IIRC, The Boys has a pretty good critique of masculinity in the bit where Butcher goes back to Ireland as well.
Tbh Fury Road was alright about it too.
You can do feminist and even anti-masculine themes well (I think you can do literally any message well), its just that for some reason 99% of feminist writers these days seem incapable of using any tact, subtlety, or even logic. It all just feels like textual shouting.
>>83657588
Hah. Why am I not surprised that "diversity" in this case is code for "cheap foreign labour"?
>>83657644
It always is with government. It amazes me that people think politicians like Merkel or Clinton actually care about diversity beyond its practical application as a way to keep the working class divided.
I'm pretty far from being a Marxist and even I can see that bringing in loads of "diversity hires" is a way to subdue the proletariat by introducing competition for them that will work for peanuts and doesn't know how to work against the authority of the rich.
>>83657640
it's because of their egos. They want to be the ones that bring about change. Feminists usually have over inflatable egoes.
>>83657588
Canada is the Sweden of the english speaking world.
>>83657710
And Le 2015 Weedman couldn't even deliver the weed.
So anons when will the pendulum swing back? President Trump, a right wing Europe, or will it merely continue until there are no borders and you're not allow to speak your mind unless you want to end up in prison?
>>83657710
Its not that bad here, but we are getting into the dangerous territory of being terrified of expressing any viewpoint that could be construed as right-wing.
The previous Conservative government made some huge mistakes and we threw the baby out with the bathwater in getting rid of them. They had great plans to finally get the natives integrated into society and to control immigration, but their crap scientific and economic policies turned everyone against all of their projects.
The one thing we do still have going for us is a fairly rigid immigration process. Unless you're American or British, its pretty difficult to get Canadian citizenship. Trudeau looks like he's going to screw that up though.
>>83657736
If Hilary gets elected we're gonna to get a much, much worse version of Trump after her first term.
And not just in a "He's like Hitler!" meme way the media is pushing, but someone who legitimately calls for violence.
>>83657729
Sad.
Don't forget.
>If you kill your enemies, they win.
Also heard the dude is doing ramadan, but then again that might just be /pol/, though I honestly can't tell nowadays.
>>83657239
>Dr light rapes a woman
Hey it's just a villain being evil who cares?
>girl kills some people for silly petty reasons
IM SO FUCKIN MAD IM TIRED OF THESE DAMN WIMMEN!!
>>83657736
The part that bothers me most about this page is panel 3 which reads, "Do they push them back and enforce the borders as is our Sovereign Duty?" should be "Do they push them back and enforce the borders as is their sovereign duty?"
>>83657765
Nah Trudeau has genuinely spent 90% of his term so far pandering to minorities. Literally a college liberal given the reigns of an entire country.
>>83657736
th pendulum is already swinging back. Austria came VERY close to electing a right-wing government recently.
and Trump WILL be president. mark my words.
>>83657776
>>Dr light rapes a woman
Nigga nobody liked that.
Nobody. It was fucking stupid, unnecessary, and universally hated.
>>83657765
>If you kill your enemies, they win
what the fuck
>>83657293
If you really cared, you'd already know.:^)
>>83657802
He actually said that, yes.
>>83657776
But people did find the rape tasteless and the story as a whole retarded.
>>83657736
Its already swinging back. Some places (like Canada or parts of the US) haven't felt the negative effects of suicidal leftism strongly enough to snap yet, but most of the Western world has clearly reached the breaking point.
There are going to be Trumps elected all over the first world in the next little while and its going to be glorious. I'm not one of those people who thinks the guy is a gift from god (in fact I'm really against some of his stances), but I think a strong nationalist leader that values the people of his own country over all others is what America needs right now.
I just wish we could get a good right-wing leader here in Canada. Harper was a joke and SJW-Trudeau (who has a few vaguely classical liberal views that I appreciate) was genuinely the best choice we were offered in the last election, which is pretty tragic.
>>83657075
We already have a word for that: condescension
I'm sorry that women have become so insecure towards men that they have to create a pronoun-addled word just to relax their PTSD symptoms and feel superior during discourse. Lmao
>>83657496
Of course it didn't. If women womanspread there wouldn't be room on the seats beside them for their bags
>>83656482
[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON TAMPONS?]
>>83657802
It is a moral victory. They don't enjoy it much, being dead and all.
>>83657794
>>83657813
It popped up in a thread the other day and people we're flabbergasted at the outrage.
Literaly "oh what so now an evil guy isn't allowed to do evil things"
>>83657857
>mansplaining the word mansplaining
you are just a walking caricature, aren't you
>>83657736
I absolutley hate that right after this admirable good speech the next step in the plan is suicide bombing a train. It makes no god damn sense and is clearlt just away to distrract from the fact that Red Skull is actually making good points that are never adressed.
>>83657891
>complain about a word used to invalidate whatever you say
>word gets used to invalidate it
Every time.
>>83657891
>Giving your perspective on anything is mansplaining as long as I don't like it
>>83657640Bit of an irony that your examples and mine were written by men.
I'm honestly not sure what to make of it. For some writers it seems to be a need to put the Message front and centre and turn it into a didactic teaching moment. Combine that with the fairly slow pace of a lot of American comic issues and you get these long, preachy episodes that nobody really responds to well. Didactic works are really hard to write well in a non-patronising way. Some writers have the best of intentions, but just aren't very good and it just comes across as hamfisted, or they just don't have the writing or life experience to do something compelling with the concepts they have. Mills, Ennis, and the Fury Road team were all experienced writers who also had a wealth of life experience to draw on. These people need knowledgeable, sympathetic but firm editors more than anything (not uncommon problem across the industry, God knows there's some big names that could do with a good editor a lot of the time). There's also a contingent that just aren't very good and some that don't put the effort in that they should for whatever reason, same as there always is. Its difficult to tell who is who though, because why engage with something terrible on the off chance it might get better later?
>>83657891
Always the resort of infants to infantilise.
>>83656886
feminism is no longer in waves, and anybody who says that is a retarded sjw who only learns about feminism through infographic shit on tumblr.
Feminism is an ideological standpoint, a term which represents equal rights between all genders. The radicalists who go around purporting to be 'new wave' feminists and screaming nonsensical buzzwords are generally first year arts students and teenage girls who have only been exposed to a small amount of the contemporary feminist oeuvre.
Now, feminism is another word for the internet warrior, who thinks embedded social norms can be changed through meaningless protests and stupid hashtag "movement" garbage. It disgusts me how an important facet of academia has been misrepresented by people with limited knowledge and an ultimately shallow understanding of how something as complex as social behavior and language adapts to the cultural environment.
Of course, no one in academia actually cares much about the constant bickering on the internet between children and idiots. All of this drama that we fucking feed off will be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The shit about SJWs and comic books and video games that people on 4chan "discuss" is so incredibly unimportant, that sometimes I hate myself for participating in it.
>>83657907
for fucks sakes, actually look into hitler's rise to power. he did the same shit. reasonable speeches used to recruit extremists into doing his dirty work
and when the initial dirty work was done, all those followers were taken out back and executed via firing squad because they were too rebellious to be trusted compared to the new wave of followers
>>83657917
>my perspective on things I don't experience is always more relevant than the perspective of people who do experience it
>>83657936
lemme guess, you're 27 and thing you're an actual adult
>>83657891
I think you're just cuntfused.
>>83656482
What always gets me about this book is that several innocent people die and the main hero doesn't care even one bit because tampons and girl power.
A lot of this shit in modern comics is dumb, but this is just downright sociopathic.
>>83657958
go back to tumblr
>>83657974
reminds me of silver age comics really
>>83657939
This shit is being discussed on all manner of website.
Shit does matter. If you change one person's opinion for the better, you are turning the tide against the opposition. And this can change general public opinion since those people may then influence others irl. A cascade of changed sentiment. And besides even if it doesn't, this site is a great way to vent and scratch that adversarial itch.
Stop being a little bitch that you need to take seriously everything.
>>83657958
People can get away with the most ridiculous claims with 'You don't experience it, it's invisible to you.'
>>83657968
>more infantilising
Epic
>>83657996
You could actually try discussing or arguing the validity of the term mansplaining instant of being passive aggressive.
>>83657992
Homer Simpson did it and he almost got away with it.
>>83657939
>nobody in academia cares about this stuff
Academia is a nebulous concept, they can create their own fields and academia and in fact have done so.
All that's left is shaming people into treating it seriously.
>>83657939
>Feminism is an ideological standpoint, a term which represents equal rights between all genders. The radicalists who go around purporting to be 'new wave' feminists and screaming nonsensical buzzwords are generally first year arts students and teenage girls who have only been exposed to a small amount of the contemporary feminist oeuvre.
You do know they learn this in universities, right? Academy feminism teaches racism and sexism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29DXo6gecCI
Disregard that the cameraman might be a slight douce and listen to what is being taught in the class.
*1:45
>we are not interested in being silenced, right? So we recognize that. One of the ways we center whiteness is that you're silenced by it.
*4:23
>Yeah, so here is my thinking. Here's my thinking... I kinda see this as an attractable conflict, so you do what you wanna do and I have a job to do over here and what matter to me more than someone being disruptive, is that you all engage in what is feminism and how has whiteness, how has whiteness limited the work of feminism.
>>83657588
Why would you fly in firefighters from South Africa? The USA is right next door. You wouldn't even need to fly in American firefighters, they could just walk to Canada.
>>83657958
If you experience mansplaining as it is semantically defined by you (despite its nebulous defintion due to it being a neologism), then that makes you a woman.
Are you on your period right now? Did this comic trigger you because we didn't discuss tampons in a safe manner that doesn't trigger your feminine PTSD flashbacks of the time you hit menarche during 6th grade gym class?
>>83656482
tampons again? did they hire that DA dude that want to become one?
>>83658036
Because they're black.
>>83656892
reminds me when the 90's had a villain called "the chauvinist".I just hope the fad dies again as fast as it did in those days.
>>83658009
I did. I said it was invalid because better and even gender neutral words exist, and I even have an example.
Introducing a gender-specific word is sexist and belittling. Isn't that against all for which you stand?
And it's telling that you immediately assumed me to be make just because I disagreed with you. Lmao you really are fucking pathetic.
>>83657075
>(when he doesn't)
highly subjective. People calls out mansplaining just becaue their boss scold them for being late at work these days. It deflect all fault to "you just hate that I'm a girl" which is dumb and should never be validated in any situation.
>>83657907
That may have been the point - its to show how even reasonable people can be taken in by rhetoric that contains elements of truth but through that get taken on a ride to a crazy extreme. That's basic Fascist Dictator Analogue #101. Its a horribly unsubtle bit of commentary though, because it makes too big a leap from speech to lunatic action. There's no other efforts to convince, no little compromises over time, just straight to the murder suicide cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYN5XpWzpM
>>83658040
>must be a woman on her period
classic chauvinist :/\^
>>83658031
>community college
even though I don't respect much of what those people are saying, I feel as though you might be taking the lecture out of context. Whiteness is not as sexism towards white people, but rather as the normative stance which disallows discussion beyond it. It's not about discrimination towards white people, but rather the way western society treats white people as the norm.
People who misunderstand this sort of basic sociological idea could be racist and sexist, that's true, but the onus is on uneducated students, not the educator. Unless the educator is misunderstanding the concept too, then we're all fucked.
>>83658036
I could be wrong here but he wanted to keep it the hands of their government and they had a pre-existing loan and training program with South Africa so this was just them using something they already had in place. I guess.
>>83658097
'racism towards white people, not sexism
shit
>>83658115
racism is racism, why is this so hard to understand? It's just an excuse for people to be racists and think it's ok
>>83658097
>but the onus is on uneducated students, not the educator. Unless the educator is misunderstanding the concept too, then we're all fucked.
We are fucked beyound belief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Brqo0vSNE
>>83658097
>western society treats white people as the norm.
The majority of western society is white.
You don't go to India and tell the Indians they need to feel bad about being Indian. Or Japan. Or literally any African or South American Nation. Or the Middle East.
>>83658097
>the way western society treats white people as the norm.
they are still the majority in the west though. So yeah, they are "normal" by the definition of normalcy.
>>83658090
>is a woman on her period
Lmfao
>>83658169
>The majority of western society is white.
by a small margin that grows smaller every year
>>83658194
And that means it's okay to hate them and blame them for everything wrong in the world.
But it's not racism because we changed the definition.
>>83658194
And the change is exponential
>>83658194
Nice fantasies you have there.
>>83658140
You catch on quickly, Anon. It's all about stacking the deck by redefining words to serve you.
She's right. SHE'S RIGHT! You white heterosexual males are disgusting, when I'll have my 12 years old daughter or son (daughter) spitting blood out of her vagina, I'll be like: "better insert TAMPON into your vagina, do you want me to help you to insert TAMPON? What brand of TAMPON you like? Can you describe how you feel when you insert that brand of TAMPONS, I would very like to know!"
>>83658194
is Western society only America? Even with the migrant crisis in Europe many countries are 90%+ white, even self hating Sweden.
>>83658216
Remove tampon
[accordion playing intensifies]
>>83658169
>>83658173
whilst they are the majority, the issue is that there is often no way of understanding the viewpoint of people outside of the norm. Because you're constantly talking from the normative perspective, you automatically view the non-white people as 'them', which is problematic when discussing how to approach race from legal and sociological point of view.
>>83658194
that's totally irrelevant. If America is suddenly filled with black people, then blacks become normative and you'd have to worry about how to discuss whites.
>>83658140
I was just correcting an error man, relax.
>>83658169
>Indian is a race
>>83658234
well yeah I know, just wanted to point that too
>>83658097
Should asian countries also be castrated for being majority asian?
>>83658234
>you automatically view the non-white people as 'them', which is problematic when discussing how to approach race from legal and sociological point of view.
But then you get into the problem of the non-white people viewing the white people as "them" and ignoring their perspective on things.
>>83658246
No one is castrating whites, anon. Maybe tumblr is castrating white men, but that's due to misunderstanding basic sociological principles.
>>83658234
>>83658018
Science still laughs psychology out of the building.
This social whatever is going to have an entirely different set of definitions and concepts in ten years time, it may gain traction in becoming its own circlejerk but the most serious and experienced parts of academia will never accept it until it gets its shit together.
>>83658247
Whitey is gonna pay.
>>83658259
>No one is castrating whites, anon.
Where the fuck have you been? The entire mainstream media and academia is about castrating whites.
Fuck it. This is 4chan. I'm gonna say it.
None of this would be an issue if you white guys could control your women
>>83658247
We're treading deeper into academic discussion, but I would say that even non-white people in white cultures would view other non-whites as 'them'. I'm not saying that misrepresenting non-normative races as purely a white concern, it's a classic problem, and is often discussed in first year sociology, legal studies and gender studies classes.
>>83658268
That section of academia has members with a finite lifespan. Who is gonna fill their positions when they kick the bucket? SJWs can play the long game. They've been doing it in community college for decades and now the change is beginning to bear fruit.
>>83658291
I think we just run the risk of dehumanizing people with this line of thinking. Regardless of race.
>>83658259
White men are being castrated culturally and symbolically
>>83658280
The problem is idiots not understanding concepts, there's nothing wrong with the concepts themselves. That's why I get pissed when people talk shit about feminism, because a lot of feminists did great things for society in the past, and it feels like internet counter-culture is often devaluing their work.
>>83658290
Funny, they think we do
>>83658290
>wanting to control humans
skrull detected
>>83658311
>a lot of feminists did great things for society in the past
Examples?
>>83658300
bro what the fuck are you talking about. I'm not even talking about individuals.
>>83658259
https://heatst.com/uk/straight-white-men-banned-from-equality-conference/
It will only continue to spiral out of control and people will defend it thanks to intersectional feminism. Discrimination allowed under the guise of equality.
Here's another exapmle about pay women more just for being women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdHIpGxrQA
>>83658326
That's the problem though. We look at people not as individuals and instead as concepts or ideas and that means we can hate them and hurt them and not have to worry about it.
>>83658311
then take the problem to the feminists that are fucking up the name of feminism.
You think you are tired of the mislabeling? Then tell the retards on the other side to stop straw maning, and making up issues with white males.
>girl murders innocent guy over tampon
Can someone shoot this writer?
>>83658290
Sure is redpill in here...
>>83658311
Giving women the vote irreparably fucked society. Women as a rule do not vote with their heads. They vote for what sounds nice and fuzzy. Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
Ever since women got the vote politics slowly turned into a popularity pageant where candidates flaunt their great policies and people whoop and cheer and then pick the one who was most epic. It's so much worse in recent years.
>>83658353
>sure didn't lurk enough
>>83658321
Suffragettes would be the most obvious one. They did some crazy shit to change public opinion, and eventually succeeded in giving women the right to vote in the UK. A lot of very intelligent people rallied to allow women into universities, which was quite recent, during the turn of the 20th century.
>>83658351
The guy was saved, so she only tried to kill him.
>>83658344
People are absolute shit and not worth being seen outside of big lumped masses or concepts. People have become so fucking shitty that there's actually a huge risk in interacting with them at all, as the risks outweigh the rewards.
So fuck people. They don't deserve to be treated humanely. They're a bunch of cunts.
>>83658360
>Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
Can we all agree that the world would be a better place without Amerfiats?
Just give all over America's wealth to Putin and put Russia in charge of global economy.
>>83658360
The fact that trump is winning shows that everyone, not just women, vote for what sounds nice and fuzzy. Blaming only women sounds like you're trying to defend a stupid nation
>>83658383
go to bed putin.
>>83658366
Didn't they get suffrage without paying the price men did, like being forced to serve in the military if commanded? Doesn't seem like equality to me.
>>83658384
why are you responding to bait
>>83658380
Certainly not anymore because they've been effeminized by community colleges and social castration. Funny how the more feminine men become the more likely they are to like feminism and its principles.
>>83658353
I mean... are they wrong?
>>83658414
you are missing the idea of middle ground here, people still adhere to common sense.
>>83657939
Anon how old are you that you still have faith in academia? Because you gotta be at least 40.
>>83658360
>Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
BUILD A WALL
B U I L D
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>>83658360
First time I've seen someone blame women for Reagan
>>83658343
the whole 'pay women for just being women' is actually pretty complicated, and I'm not going to talk about it deeply on fucking 4chan. It's kinda linked to the idea of normative bias that's being discussed in this thread. It's one of the solutions to this whole idea of breaking out of the norm, but there are issues with it. Regardless, try to understand things outside of individuals and see it as sociological concern.
>>83658344
You can't talk about society meaningfully by just looking at individuals, anon. You don't talk about hate in this sort of field, it's about statistics and understanding how the masses react.
>>83658375
This is edgy as shit and absolutely not the correct response.
>>83658384
Trump isn't winning. It's being put that way by the modes to scare more fence-sitters into action. When the votes are counted and Trump loses by a landslide it will prove how cooky he was and how silly his supporters were, and it'll look great on the headlines when "sense and reason beats Trump out of the Presidency" etc
It's basic propaganda tactics, m8. Soviet Russia would often play like it was losing to America to kick people into a political fetvor for added support.
>Go into a /co/ thread thinking it's about comics
>It's a /pol/ thread, with a dash of repill thrown in here and there
Oh boy.
>>83658402
I guess the simplest response to this is that women weren't allowed to serve in the military even if they wanted to. Your line of reasoning would make a lot more sense if women could choose to undertake the same responsibilities and rights as men, but they were locked into a role which allowed for no flexibility.
>>83658439
Academia, to most people, might not seem to get shit done, but at least they can explain things clearly. I feel as though academia has helped me, at least, and that's good enough.
>>83658353
I'm too redbone to be a redpill.
Or at least I was. All I had to do in order to become more right was to not move while the left moved further away.
Then again the right is moving to its extreme too so where does that leave me?
>>83658366
Would that be the same UK Suffragettes that if not spearheaded, made up a significant chunk of the White Feather movement?
>>83656988
>Luxury tax apparently.
tampons are luxury-taxed in the US?
Bloody hell, literally...
>>83658455
how is it complicated? If women want equal pay they should work just as many hours as men. Giving them free shit for being women is sexism no matter how you cut it.
>>83658478
there are /pol/ threads not filled with red menace?
>>83658499
>I guess the simplest response to this is that women weren't allowed to serve in the military even if they wanted to.
So how do you combine that with them shaming the guys that didn't want to?
>>83658499
Here's the thing. I agree with you in that Academia has as much value as what you get out of it. Me? I majored in English. Which was a spectacular waste, but I did come out of it with an appreciation for how to craft a narrative. And social movements are all about crafting a narrative. It's like the saying goes; you don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that mentality is left on the quad and doesn't make it into the classroom.
>>83658519
Conscientious objection was fine during WW1 so fuck that, but holy shit it was fucking unnaceptable in WW2.
Op here all I wanted to talk about is this comic and how this form of writing is insulting and disturbing.
People are going waaaay off topic here.
>>83658502
Sane? Not an ideologically stunted bastard?
>>83658525
Do you feel as strongly about it when I tell you that only works out to a 4-5 cent difference?
>>83658499
>I guess the simplest response to this is that women weren't allowed to serve in the military even if they wanted to.
That's because it would have been a disaster since women are much weaker than men. Even today when the military tries to get women into the army they have much lower standards. Honestly the sexes aren't eqaul in all areas. Eqaulity, unless it is of opportunity, is a pipe-dream.
>>83658525
>tampons are luxury-taxed in the US
yup
>>83658573
Seems to have naturally evolved to discuss the root causes of the ideology that causes that kinda writing. Nothing wrong with that.
>>83658538
why do you try to compress everything into a monolith?
>>83658570
>Conscientious objection was fine during WW1 so fuck that
Yeah, it was primarily during WW1, and was joined by said suffragettes. So, again, all that talk about how they were in it for equality, AND how they would've fought if they were allowed? How do you combine that with the fact that those same women were basically going around saying "If you don't go off to choke on mustard gas you're a pussy"?
And does Academia even cover that?
>>83658581
Welp women truly are oppressed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os
>>83658620
Because we're literally talking about the same people. UK Suffragettes, at the point of time in which they accomplished their major feat. At the same time the same leaders of that movement were partaking in this other movement. Do you really think that's not pertinent information, especially given the interplay of military service and voting rights?
>>83656482
I can already tell this is gonna be a 500+ thread, and this is the 4th. The author did really start a conversation.
>>83658635
The evil Patriarchy is trying to give us colds! Down with men!
>>83658646
well yeah, but it's easy to start a conversation with such a contrived and ignorant narative. People just lose focus on what we are talking about.
BRING BACK BOBBIS THIGHS
>>83658642
you're treating individuals like a hivemind
>>83658527
It's kinda like, from a normative position, how are you able to accurately judge the way you view women, when they way you view everything is inherently biased? It's difficult to assess your own biases, so some suggest a standardized 'amount' to account for the bias which you're unable to see. It's an appeal to hard statistics, to make up for subjective social influences. You could think of it like this: I could hire a man or a woman, but I unconsciously hire the man because of my bias. To make up for this unseen bias, I pay the women in my company extra, to make up for all the women I did not hire. Of course, I'm generalizing, and I'm sure some people might disagree with me vehemently. Sorry, I probably didn't describe it very good.
>>83658586
The problem was, women didn't have equal opportunity because of their inability to vote. They couldn't vote because they couldn't fight. They're lack of strength impeded their opportunity, which seems unfair. I'm sure you'll agree that society shouldn't be based on strength.
>>83658642
>>83658538
>>83658519
To be honest, I don't know much about this White Feather thing. I'm not claiming the suffragettes were flawless. They weren't a shining paradigm of perfect feminism. I don't really think a perfect anything exists. From contemporary viewpoints, it seems like they were in the wrong. That's okay, you can at least see their effect on women's rights as positive, and that's a good thing. The White Feather movement should not demean their efforts towards equality, because the emphasis is on the act, not the group.
>>83658679
How many individuals does it take before it becomes a group?
>>83658629
>>83658642
An Admiral joined up with a feminist to shame men into wanting to fight a vanity war. The woman (who was quite a bit figure in the Suffragettes movement) was given some money to put towards her cause if she assisted in this endeavour. She did so, and thus the White Festher movement was born.
It's pretty fucking pertinent information.
But once again women are above reproach and condemnation even if they act in a way that would be morally objectionable across most if not all nations and cultures that it could be considered an objective objection. Nice.
>>83658699
>To be honest, I don't know much about this White Feather thing. I'm not claiming the suffragettes were flawless. They weren't a shining paradigm of perfect feminism. I don't really think a perfect anything exists. From contemporary viewpoints, it seems like they were in the wrong. That's okay, you can at least see their effect on women's rights as positive, and that's a good thing. The White Feather movement should not demean their efforts towards equality, because the emphasis is on the act, not the group.
Sounds kinda like you're saying that the ends justify the means tho.
>>83658699
>I'm sure you'll agree that society shouldn't be based on strength.
When it comes to defense? Yeah, it should be. For all the talk about treating things like monoliths that always happens when these movements are discussed, there never seems to be enough credence given to the idea that society itself is not monolithic and some aspects of it have different requirements.
On a semi-related note, how come you almost never see a push to get more men into the educational fields?
>>83658699
All I'm saying is that if women get the right to vote without doing shit so should men. That's equality. For a moment that's self-proclaimed to champion equality I see a whole lot of taking without giving.
Sure they might be against the draft, but they'll put it on a backburner since it effects men and instead discuss about how tits in video games are sexists. But then again they've constructed a way to view the world so nothing is their fault and everything can be blamed on external forces.
>>83658726
So you're saying we should ignore the negative achievements of a group if the positive achievements are better on some arbitrary spectrum of postivity?
What the actual fuck.
I hate to deliberately invoke Godwyn's Law but honestly could apply that logic to Nazi Germany and say they were great because they fixed Germany into a world superpower at the time. Ignore the negative aspects, because they're outweighed by the positive!
Fuck you.
>>83658726
Not really, sorry, I think you might be generalizing. They were a group, not an individual. That's the main deal, I guess. It's hard to define the motivations of a group of people over a period of time, so you should focus more on the actions rather than the people.
>>83658736
Sounds like a great way to pass the buck.
>>83658760
Sorry, was meant to quote >>83658699
>>83656776
>Her heroes were male
>The ones she specifically chose to look up to
>a girl deciding not to idolize female heroes is the fault if the patriarchy
>>83658767
Or you should strive to do both.
>>83657889
The problem wasn't the rape of Sue(though nobody was happy because Sue was a well liked, if minor, character).
It was the rape of Dr. Light's character.
As well a really bad story.
Likewise, here's the problem isn't the girl killing innocent people but the bad hamfisted pseudo-propaganda and continuity errors used to fuel it, as well the apparent complete lack of empathy for the innocent deads
>>83658760
>So you're saying we should ignore the negative achievements of a group if the positive achievements are better on some arbitrary spectrum of postivity?
Are you screwing up the post numbers because if anything the guy I'm quoting is saying that.
>>83658767
Again, I'm not talking about motivations. I'm talking purely about actions.
The ACTIONS of this group, at the same time they were doing the thing you're praising, was to promote shame tactics in a way that could very easily be considered sexist and inequal. Can you at least explain why the WFM does not fall under the purview of "action" but getting the vote does?
>>83658769
it means you're asking the wrong questions, and your failure to ask the right questions betrays how little you understand
but yes it is also a great way to pass the buck
>>83658795
>if female heroes were given equal treatment and exposure as the male ones she'd have chosen women!
I fucking hate this world.
>>83658795
Now you're getting it. See any negative choice a woman makes is the fault of society and because men are in charge of society then it follows that the fault lies with men.
>>83658629
>And does Academia even cover that?
Academia's a huge cross-section of people with different views. Even within a single school or discipline you'll get a huge variety of views. What gets out of universities and into public consciousness is often very different from the research that's actually done too, because the original work is often quite specific, nuanced and qualified but gets translated into much simpler, broader and inaccurate terms. Its like all those headlines you read about "scientists discover a cure for cancer!" when really its that a single study of one particular drug to treat one particular variant of one particular cancer shows promising lab results. Same deal with humanities and social sciences, except they also have to put up with tumblrjugend building identities off poorly understood, third or fourth hand interpretations of pretty complex ideas and not bothering to look deeper. Its exactly the same as the people going "I LOVE SCIENCE" on facebook, with exactly the same amount of engagement with the subject.
>>83658802
>Are you screwing up post numbers
Yes
>>83658773
>>83656482
It pisses me off when feminists think that society's aversion to talking about tampons is remotely sexist.
>>83658795
You have to know someone exists to look up to them.
>>83658827
Feminists think everything is sexist if they don't like it
>>83658812
>>83658833
Fucking rofl
>>83658752
I don't think it's appropriate to mistreat women on all fronts because of physical weakness. Maybe if the rights given to men for serving are purely defense based, then it would make sense. But the right to vote and the ability to serve seem to be from two very different realms.
You don't see much of a push to get men into more educational fields because most fields are male dominated. I understand that some niche fields are female dominated, but I feel as though it is outweighed by the amount men outnumber women in some fields.
>>83658760
>>83658802
I'm not judging the group, anon, relax. I'm not saying the suffragettes were all good, that would be problematic, of course. I'm saying that women getting rights were good. That's the point of the discussion, anon.
>>83658759
Some people might be wrong. Ultimately, feminism is about equal rights. If people seem to overlook men's rights, then they might also be in the wrong, I agree with you anon. I don't think you should generalize all people who claim to be feminists as a single group, though.
>>83658808
You've dipped into the Ad hominem a lot quicker than I thought. Is this the part where you say it's not your job to educate me?
>>83657776
fuck off back to tumblr
>>83658827
Where are the comics saying we should talk more about prostate checks
Here's Mockingbird saving the SWAT dude. He doesn't die. And what the girl does is not framed as positive, so I'm not sure why people are assuming that. It's a standard "kids with too much power are dangerous and go overboard"-plot. Yes the girl does kill people, but Mockingbird stops her at the end. And the tampon thing is clearly a running gag.
>>83658858
>But the right to vote and the ability to serve seem to be from two very different realms.
They should be, but historically they're not. Up until literally this last year in the US, for example, if you wanted to vote, and you' were a man, you'd have to sign up for the draft. There is a presumption of duty, however slight, that up until extremely recently was absolutely gender biased and was a right linked to defense.
>>83658890
funny how things taken out of context cause unjustified outrage
>>83658833
She lives in the fucking marvel universe and worships the avengers. Unless she's fucking retarded, there's no way she wouldn't be aware of the female heroes. Or are you just implying that the female heroes literally did nothing during the entirety of her childhood?
>>83656482
>Marvel
What a shitty company.
>>83658899
Then congratulations on the success. I'm not from the US, but it seems like you guys did a good job on changing government protocol to more accurately consider gender equality. A great victory for feminism.
>>83658922
For the sake of socio-cultural gentrification, history will be revised to allow for maximum oppression of allied member groups.
>>83658890
The girl killed several people, and is given no punishment for wanton murder in the pages of the comic. She crashed a helicopter too.
In fact
,doesn't the last page of the comic feature mockingbird standing with the girl and her friends like there wasn't just a couple people murdered because a girl had hurt feelings?
>>83658858
Is there any criticism you couldn't explain away with saying that a group isn't a monolith?
Feminism has never been about equal rights for both sexes. Even the most cited definition tells you this.
>the advocacy of WOMEN's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
So in areas where women are underrepresented they'll try to make advances while in areas where men struggle they'll not. This will eventually lead to only focussing on women and leave men behind. This is why when women got the vote, feminists couldn't give a rat's ass about helping men getting out of the draft while still having the right to vote like women. That is not eqaulity. Look at their actions not their words.
>>83658942
>Then congratulations on the success. I'm not from the US, but it seems like you guys did a good job on changing government protocol to more accurately consider gender equality. A great victory for feminism.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It basically only happened as a bluff.
>>83658952
It's okay, though. They were men.
>>83658906
As the one who posted it, both sjws AND anti-sjws need to stop overreacting to out-of-context comics panels. Yeah.
>>83658859
it's the part where I admit I'm too drnk and australian to remmembwr what we were talking about
>>83658941
>Marvel is the only one that panders
>>83658952
She gets arrested. And will probably be put in a facility, I'm guessing.
Yeah, she could've also gotten shot. But in case you have noticed, most superheroes try to solve these situations without additional bloodshed. Whenever the perpetrator gets shot in these moments, the hero acts distraught, which is a cliché they avoided here.
>>83658953
>Is there any criticism you couldn't explain away with saying that a group isn't a monolith
criticism of an ant colony, maybe
>>83658993
It's not about the fact that she will be punished, it's about the fact that the entire comic acted like she was just a harmless kid, instead of a fucking murderer.
>>83658311
>it feels like internet counter-culture is often devaluing their work.
Not the internet's fault the face of modern feminism is fighting "manspreading", defending the Ghsotbusters reboot/remake and screamming at a scientist who landed a satellite on a meteor because he wore a dumb shirt.
>>83658953
I think you're being a little exclusive in your definitions. The ground of the equality of the sexes is the important bit, anon. I don't think you can 'leave men behind' if the goal is equality. If feminists couldn't give a rat's ass about helping men, then they are probably bad feminists, by definition.
>>83658899
>>83658942
>>83658962
Funnily enough, within a month of women in the US being included in the selective service program, politicians are trying to do away with it altogether.
I don't know what to make of that but I thought it was worth mentioning because it really doesn't seem coincidental.
>>83659015
Not really? She's shell-shocked and detached, and throughout the entire story, Mockingbird makes note that she is dangerous and is acting irrationally, and needs to be stopped. Yeah she's not unsympathetic, but that's also true for all of these stories. "Teenage monster" and all that.
>>83659004
You can meme post as hard as you want, but I'm just reporting what's in the damn comic that's ostensibly being discussed.
>>83659032
>screamming at a scientist who landed a satellite on a meteor because he wore a dumb shirt.
Oh shirt-gate. I remember that shit, poor guy even broke down crying while apologizing.
>>83659041
The tone of the comic is more suited to talking down a suicidal person than it is to stopping an unbalanced killer with no regard for human life, teenage monster or not. Even when they're painting the girl as being wrong, they still make sure to go "oh you poor thing".
>>83659036
>If feminists couldn't give a rat's ass about helping men, then they are probably bad feminists, by definition.
Not really, by definition they only have to focus on women's rights.
>The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
I think you're thinking about egalitarianism.
>>83657137
Given that WW issue where she uses her "lasso of truth" on a guy who then goes on to "mansplain" then yes, you're correct.
>>83657132
Because female privilege allows women to turn gender neutral issues to their favor.
>>83659100
They explain is away by saying that it's the truth for him, and not an absolute truth.
If Marvel wasn't based in NYC, could we actually see heroes that don't live in NYC and possibly not have this absurd SJW bullshit in comics?
Seriously, at least having all the heroes NOT in NYC would've been nice. At this point, there's no reason for there to be any crime in New York when there's 4 superheroes per block.
>>83659072
Yeah but again, comics have pretty much always been sympathetic toward mutants who have dangerous powers and go out of control. This is not a new concept. You're also free to hate her and think she deserves to be shot, the comic doesn't prohibit that.
>>83658987
Listen, you fucking faggot. You might not like it but Marvel is being the NuMale of comics with constant preaching about irrelevant gender issues and being completely wrong about the characters that even they created. They did Whor, they did Hellcat, their stories are writen by some of the worst writers in the medium, they have Bendis, Humphries and Slott, Marvel is the worst publisher on Earth.
Sure, everyone in the industry is doing this. But no one does this like Marvel. MY OH MY, WHAT A PUBLISHER.
>>83659083
I generally think of feminism as an aspect of egalitarianism.
>The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
That was the definition you gave, anon, if you're the person I replied to. It's also the first definition when you google feminism.
I don't think elevating women's rights to the level of men's rights will ever have a negative effect on men's rights. You're bringing one level up to the other, how can you go beyond the equilibrium? If you start making women's rights above men's rights, then it's no longer feminism, by definition.
>>83658620
Interesting that when it's about something good, you have no problem giving the credit to feminists as a whole.
But when it's something bad, that's when feminism dissolves into a myriad of fractions where nobody is to blame.
>>83657132
It's called "bitching".
>>83659032
>pic
Why don't these people look at Hungarian or Turkish or dozens of other languages without gendered pronouns and realize it doesn't remove sexism
>>83657907
>I absolutley hate that right after this admirable good speech the next step in the plan is suicide bombing a train
He's fucking Red Skull. Did you seriously think he would give an admirable good speech for any reason but to trick people into getting on his side for nefarious purposes?
>>83659141
>Scarlet Spider was great. Even if it had faggots.
>Canceled.
Marvel truly is the worst of the worst.
>>83659181
I think the person you're replying to has long since gone. And if you read on through the thread, you'll see that credit was given to feminist action, not feminists as a whole.
>>83659142
They gloss over the deaths of innocent people, for the sake of being sympathetic to someone who straight up murdered them. I don't think she deserves to be shot, but there's clearly something wrong with that.
Or does the fact that it was only faceless men and a filthy misogynist make it alright? When other mutants deliberately kill people, they're treated like killers. This girl isn't. That's the simple truth here, and you're blind if you don't see it.
>>83656628
>>83656482
The writer is a dude right? Because seriously as an ex twelve year old girl this is bullshit, and seriously meaningful conversations about tampons are not that special at the usually ends in toxic shock syndrome
>>83659141
At this rate you know it'll just result in more capes in California and maybe Portland.
>>83659155
>I don't think elevating women's rights to the level of men's rights will ever have a negative effect on men's rights.
Tender Year's Doctrine says otherwise.
As do aggressor law based on physical size, legal definitions of intoxication and resultant consent and culpability being gender biased, and a slew of other legislation. My personal new favorite is the opposition to the "male pill".
>>83659155
>You're bringing one level up to the other, how can you go beyond the equilibrium?
Ah but then you're operation under the axiom that men have more rights than women in all areas. That is blatantly false.
Let's say feminist gets women to the same level as men in all areas, what about the areas where men are disadvantaged? Like prison sentences, custody and so on.
Even if we keep it 100% theoretical feminism won't bring about equality. Which is to say nothing about feminism in practice where they keep positioning for more rights without paying the same price as men, talking about getting paid the same as men while not putting in the same work, and getting to vote without being drafted.
>>83659231
It's a she. She's rather proud of it, apparently.
See:
>>83656776
>>83657925
>were written by men.Because as usual, women need men to do things for them.
>>83656628
Isn't Bobbi older than Pete?
>>83659377
Apparently, according to that image, she was 10 when her mother protested for equal pay, in america that happened in, what? the 60s?
>>83659284
>what about the areas where men are disadvantaged? Like prison sentences, custody and so on.
nuke the private prison industry, straight up ban it forever. carve up some fresh legislature for custody that empathizes ability to provide and, crudely put, not physically or emotionally fuck up the kids.
boy, that was hard.
>>83658059
That was my favorite WW run.
>>83659454
There's a picture of Gloria Steinem in the 70s on her lunchbox, and Ms. Magazine came out 1972-1987. Her Mom's haircut and fashion choices fit the late 60s / early 70s too. If she's 10 then, that'd put Bobbi into her late 40s at least.
>>83657640
Fury Road didn't have a feminist message.
>>83659208
You're blind if you can't see that their deaths are not framed as a positive, and not glossed over either. They don't deserve to die and it's tragic that they do. That's what the comic posits. The fact that the child character is framed as sympathetic doesn't change that.
>tampons
>2016
>not free bleeding
>>83659697
kek did even you watch it
>>83659496
Sounds like MRA talk tho.
>>83658942
>A great victory for feminism.
Yea, nah.
>>83659741
It's Marvel. They don't give a shit.
>>83659501
>>83656892
The more things change, the more they stay teh same.
>>83659496
Yeah, can't wait for feminist to get behind this.
>>83659793
did you? it's about a group of women who want liberty, so a man gives it to them while they stand around being useless
Why
are
you
faggots
reading
a
Mockingbird
comic?
>>83656482
>man casually dies while comic discusses how outrageous it is that we don't all have daily discussion of women bleeding from their vaginas
>>83659793
The one thing that bothered me about Fury Road was that the guy made a huge fortress out of nothing, with clean water, and built this army that maintained order in the wasteland. He was angry because he wanted a heir to keep that going. And then the stronk womenwho consist of a driver who hijacks an important load of milk that is essential for the wasteland and a small group of scavengersdecide to blow that up.
Who was wrong?
>>83658953
Almost as if any social movement requires a degree of focus in what it's trying to achieve to elicit any response. Arguing that feminists like the Suffragettes weren't making progress in equality because they didn't concentrate on male issues as well is asinine.
>>83659992
Hey man it's fine if they wanna focus on women's issues, but don't go around claiming to be for equality when that's cleary not the case.
Gee wee when will the feminists tackle the overwhelming male prison population like they do with trying to get women into cushy jobs?
>>83659984
Because she had a fun run before this that was pretty good before it got nuked early on.
I thought only Jim Mccain only cared about Mockingbird. Did she get some new popularity due to the tv show
>>83660009
he was a barely fertile man keeping all the fertile women for himself
>>83659988
Four men died.
>>83660060
Agent of Shield? Perhaps, her stand alone show got canned, though.
>>83659015
I didn't read the comic, but that's how comics and cartoons usually treat villainous kids. Heroes beat the ever loving shit out of adult villainous but then spend an entire scene trying to talk the misguided child down from their villainy and then imply that the child will receive help from psychiatrists and such at the end.
>>83657577
Mostly via scalation.
When the universe/multiverse is threatened once a year, even planet eating dude looks like a friend and ally.
>>83660045
This was for an identical reply of this:
>>83660016
>>83660106
Yeah, because he ran a monarchy based around fast cars and water. If he doesn't get a heir, then the whole thing falls apart.
>>83656482
Why is she so obsessed with tampons? Did a tampon kill her parents or something?
>>83660292
She wants to be able to talk about tampons freely. Her tampons rights are being hindered by men!
Wasn't there a big gay wedding event a few years back in one of the Xmen comics?
>>83657120
Free bleeding was started by 4chan trolls.
>>83660413
Yes, but then someone took it literally.
>>83660383
Northstar's.
>>83660485
That would certainly be an incentive to run faster if you were behind her.
>>83660509
Remember when Northstar got attacked by a rape Monty because gays "caused" AIDS?
And then he was an elf, not a mutant?
>>83659496
>nuke the private prison industry
This would have no bearing on sentencing. It's not an easy fix.
>>83660485
Yeah, a handful of people tried it. That's not a movement or a widespread thing.
>>83660584
Sentencing is busted too, but it would probably have a small bearing, as in some cases courts and prison enterprises are clearly profiting off each other.
>>83659793
>max travels with one strong woman and literal cattle
>they visit an all-woman society only to find out it failed
I take it you didn't watch the movie.
Fury Road isn't anti-feminist or anything, but it sure as hell wasn't "pro-womyn."
>>83656975
>YOU CAN'T BUY ME HOTDOG MAN
>>83657151
Sounds like necromancer.
>>83660612
Sentencing is where the discrimination lies. Private prisons don't belong in this conversation.
At best there might be more inmates getting parole since those hearings involve prison staff, but that's all on the back end. Courts are independent of US prisons and the higher sentencing rates are do to biases from judges and juries (who don't even have a stake with prisons, mind you). Again, not an easy fix.
>>83660595
It was believable enough for people to buy it in today's political climate.
Bleeding all over your clothes does not stand out among the hashtags movements of our time.
>>83660786
>Courts are independent of US prisons
Yeah, they caught the one and only Judge who took kickbacks for increasing prison sentences.
>>83660793
It was only made believable because trolls spammed the shit out of twitter about it, and today's media is trained to follow trends, not actual news.
>>83656482
Who is this villain and why did she attack the SWAT guy? Is the Punisher going to kill her?
>>83660858
Trends are actual news though. It helps people keep a bead on society.
>>83658610
>yup
No they are not
Maybe in some idiot states I haven't heard of
Some they have NO sales tax because they fall under medical/pharma
>>83658311
>because a lot of feminists did great things for society in the past
no they didn't
Even Queen Victoria new feminism was cancer way back then.
>>83660793
Not sure about that. I'm a woman and I immediately knew it was bullshit outside of a fringe thing when I heard of it, because it'd be one of the most uncomfortable things you could do to yourself.
People have become way too gullible when it comes to internet shit. Fact-checking is still a thing and it's not that hard.
>>83660858
>It was only made believable because trolls spammed the shit out of twitter about it, and today's media is trained to follow trends, not actual news.
But people believed that #killallmen and #endfathersday were real things at first glance and reported on it as such. Ten years ago, people would chuckle about crazy idiots and ignore it. What does that say about us?
>>83660978
What are you talking about?
What the fuck is it with her and tampons?
>How can we have a meaningful dialogue with chefs when we live in a culture that still doesn't talk about spatulas.
See? I can shit post in comic form too.
>>83658291
>gender studies
i send a picture because i can't do this irl right now.
We've seen this page six or eight times already along with whor and "le unsolicited opinions on israel". can't we at least get some fresh OC to bitch about?
>>83660912
No, they weren't. Insurers just charged women more since they have more checkups and more medical issues, and the ACA put in regulations to prevent that.
>>83657532
>Miles beats him with a SUPER DUPER VENOM BLAST courtesy of Bendis
>>83657075
>So yes it absolutely makes sense in context.
No it doesn't
and to add gender to a word (explaining) to make it a derogatory term is...wait for it...SEXIST.
Se Feminist are often EXPLAINED things and when they have had things EXPLAINED to them they are almost 100% of the time WRONG.
So to shield themselves from logic and rational arguments they can now just dismiss the truth as MANSPLAINING and ignore the valid arguments and truth as told by rational people who happen to be of another gender.
>>83661218
What?
That has NOTHING to do with Tampons having a luxury tax (which they don't) Insurance doesn't pay for Tampons
>>83661166
We'll just have to wait on Marvel to deliver.
>>83661477
>Tampons having a luxury tax (which they don't)
Well, yes and no. In the vast majority of states tampons are subject to sales tax, but it's because those states subject everything classified as a hygiene product (soap, shampoo, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc.) to sales tax, and tampons are usually considered hygiene products.
So tampons are technically taxed in most states, but it's not the result of some anti-woman conspiracy. Feminists just latched onto tampons because it's the only part of the matter that effects them personally.
>>83656975
Iceman was inverted in this issue
>>83659132
but truth is not individual. truth is truth
>>83661477
>>83661807
They did in England until recently. Most of them probably didn't know since they're American. When they got rid of it probably heard about it for the first time and decided to make a big stink about how it WAS a thing so women are "historically" oppressed.
Also tampons are a luxury and yet they're still cheap. You don't need them. There's other options and they can potentially make you ill.
Condoms serve a more important purpose to the welfare of the country (less kids less disease), are more expensive, and they only recently had their tax removed as well.
And fuck if I can't look up anything about luxury tax without it thinking all I care about is tampons.
>>83656865
I think the fact they mention how we can't even comfortably address the purpose and use of tampons is supposed to be worth celebrating, not the murder of a SWAT trooper
>>83656917
>she KOs a suspect that already surrendered
What's the superhero equivalent to police brutality?
>>83657857
Isn't the point of the term that men condescend to women so often across such a wide variety of fields and situations that we need a new way to explain it?
>>83656756
Not even close
>>83661477
Tampons are a luxury items pads in the other hand
>>83663609
You mean, the SWAT trooper who gets saved by the heroine of the book and doesn't die at all?
>>83659984
It started off alright (to the point that I once recommended it in an older thread) but then this issue happened.
when will the meme that is feminism end?
>>83663670
Maybe women need to stop being so wrong all the time :^)
>>83665383
When Western civilization collapses under socialism
>>83665070
>attempted murder isn't bad if the person survived
>>83663670
>Isn't the point of the term that men condescend to women so often across such a wide variety of fields and situations that we need a new way to explain it?
No the point is to dismiss any contrary point or logical argument with out having to actually have a counter argument.
Guys constantly explain stuff to other guys with usually MORE condescension than they would a woman all the fucking time and 99% of men do not care.
>>83656482
>>83656776
Does anyone at Marvel ever talk about how stupid this shit is on twitter or a blog or anything.
Not everyone working there can be this stupid.
>>83665862
Of course it's bad. The comic never says otherwise.
>>83663324
So if you put the lasso over a simple henchman would he be able to tell you his boss' hideout desptite having been fed false information?
>>83665584
based meinycrafta
>Marvel hate threads
>I-It's not /pol/ shitposting w-when DC does it
Will someone fire this fucking janitor already?
>>83660381
>In 5 years, Marvel oficially changes their name to Tampon Comics.
Maybe we should just bring back that law that says men can beat women with a stick as thick as their thumb.
>>83665584
God, Notch is truly living the dream. He has all the money he could ever want, gets to shitpost on the internet as much as he pleases, and doesn't need to worry what people think about him since he doesn't need a job.
>>83657227
>If a man mocks a woman with a gendered insult, it's sexist and deplorable
>If a woman mocks a man with a gendered insult, it's funny and empowering
>If a woman complains about a man being sexist, she's a downtrodden victim in an unjust world
>If a man complains about a woman being sexist, he's just a pussy bitch who needs to be strong and emotionless like men are supposed to be
I love how feminists literally don't understand the definition of equality. It's adorable, like a baby who hasn't developed object permanence yet and is still amazed by peek-a-boo.
>>83657508
I love this idea, but it'd have to be really subtle.
Like, "surprise you edgy teenager, you're actually supposed to hate Holden Caulfield rather than identify with him" subtle.
>>83666372
Yeah, they keep deleting my Joker rape threads.
>>83657508
>NuHeroes actually do some good work
>However, they're by and large assholes
>Like, the Quentin Tarrentino of superheroes; appreciate their work, but fuck me don't talk to them (especially about politics)
>Captain America is a relic of patriarchy's past, Iron Man is a champion for white privilege, Spider-Man makes jokes that could trigger people, She-Hulk is an oppressed hanger-on to the ACTUAL Hulk, Black Panther is a privileged Uncle Tom, etc.
>Like, they'd ALMOST have a point if they weren't so shitty about it
>Gradually gain a stranglehold on the superhero community, oust the old order from their positions on teams
>New progressive teams basically run the show
>Preach harmony and equality, resort to extreme violence to correct problems, ignore certain crimes
>Frat boy catcalls a female hero while she's on patrol? Vaporized junk. Upper middle class white family's house is robbed? They take the robber to jail, sure, but they ain't doing it for free.
>First genuine world-ending cosmic threat in DECADES finally shows up
>It's been mostly street crime and a few low-level metahumans since the old guard retired
>Team Hugbox has no idea how to deal with a REAL problem
>Some wise up and actually help, some can't handle the pressure and give up, some go full lunatic
>It's up to Cap and all the old "outdated" heroes to save the day
>Through their actions, they prove that despite being straight or white or rich or whatever, they still stand for truth, justice, and equality rather than the white supremacy, patriarchy, etc. the new order claimed they represented
>Overarching message is "it doesn't matter who you are, what you look like, or where you come from, we're all humans and we should all work together, you can't solve injustice with injustice of a different shade"
>Book comes out, true patricians enjoy it, casuals maybe pick it up, idiots ignore it and continue reading Patsy Walker
>>83661815
Is that why he was hitting on women?
>>83665584
>throws minecraft out the window
>>83659697
Not "feminist" in terms of "stronk womyn save the day, lol fragile masculinity uwu", but feminist in terms of "women shouldn't be treated as objects, equality of the sexes, let's all work together, etc."
So it was feminist in terms of the definition of feminism that no one who identifies as a feminist believes in anymore.
>>83657958
>>tumblr
You're not in an echo-chamber anymore, you're gonna have to come up with an actual argument other than resorting to made-up words that no credible human being has ever used unironically.
>>83667961
the irony in this post tho
>>83658478
>Going into a thread about a shitty Mockingbird comic that's notorious for being shitty and pushing comically skewed agendas that sound like they're straight out of the deepest, dankest Tumblr blog
There's your first problem...
>"People are complaining about this comic, SURE IS REDPILL"
...and there's your second.
>>83660258
>Yeah, because he ran a monarchy based around fast cars and water.
Mad Max is weird.
>>83665584
These recent Twitter tirades really made me love Notch.
>>83667995
>Implying "mansplaining" isn't a made up word for gender studies toddlers
>Implying this isn't an environment of varying opinions, as evidenced by the length and content of this thread
>Implying you shouldn't go back to Tumblr for some sympathy reblogs after being exposed to all these triggering ideas and opinions
>>83668387
right over your head
>>83656628
>Comic wants to be taken serious with the whole neo-feminist propaganda shit
>Falls in the "I'm not fat,it's my bone structure" myth
>>83656482
Im just looking forward to what next issue brings. All this discussion is hillarious
>>83658311
How has feminism, women's suffrage, sexual liberation, etc., actually made western society better?
Genuine question, not bait. Has it made things better? Are people happier now than they otherwise would have been if those events not occurred? Was that event inevitable?
>>83669538
>Are people happier now
Nope.
>>83668677
And she's drawn with far too many ribs.
>>83659200
The problem is that the evil Nazi convinces gullible white men into being turbo Nazis in like one issue by talking just like actual conservatives. If Red Skull painted himself orange he literally could have just worn a wig and called himself Trump.
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