How's Your Webcomic? /hyw/ #279
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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/
>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed
>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/
>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#
>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'starlinemike' or 'scribblehatch' and they'll add you in.
>*-We also got a DISCORD CHAT going on, ask for an invite in the thread.
>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ0lck7oo4A
>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf
>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/
>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf
>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/
does this look worth a read?
>>83372993
Absolutely. Keep me posted.
tfw you wake up to 0 views on your comic
>>83372993
Not quite.
There's no punchline if it's a laugh-per-strip comic, and the regular four-panel structure isn't really doing you any favors if you want to be story-based. Like, there's no establishing shot so I have no idea how many villains are seated around the table or where the table is located. There's a huge thunderstorm in the background of the first panel, but everywhere else seems like a generic office.
The panels are too small to have much happen in them with the fat lines and big font you're using. You need to dedicate nearly half of each panel to dialogue when it's only like 10 words, and I doubt you can fit more than one character in a panel with a decent level of detail. Try drawing bigger and then scaling down.
>>83372993
feels kind of bland
I updated today
http://stonesofanarchy.org/63.html
>>83373058
>>83373254
>>83373556
duly noted. i'll go back and improve on this draft.
>>83373601
whoops, meant to reply to this >>83373550
just started drawing some pages, not really sure what i'm doing but i've got a rough story in mind.
how do you guys setup your panels / where do you get templates?
Might as well see how this goes, I've been working on my own web comic on DeviantArt for a while and now I just uploaded it onto tumblr.
Chapter 1 page 1 link here
http://bubblegumandbozzkat.tumblr.com/post/145147495040/chapter1-page-1
I've worked my way all the way to chapter 8.
I do this as a hobby but I'm thinking of taking more time with it, and trying to improve it.
>>83373620
it's okay, you're strip kinda reminds me of the skeleton jelly strips just a bit
>>83373695
Art needs a lot of work.
>>83373688
I start out with a 2x4 grid and then I see if that works.
If it doesn't and I need more or less than 8 panels, then I see if any of the rows should have 3 or just one panel.
Then I make some panels longer and some panels shorter depending on the pacing.
After that, I just go by feel.
>>83373843
any tips or things you suggest I work on?
I'm open to improve where I can
>>83373898
anatomy. you've got to draw from life, man. just study and practice a ton with the intent to improve. make characters with their own faces, not blank slates with emotes.
>>83373938
thank you. many people agree I do same face, I'll be sure to look into fixing that, thank you so much for pointing that out. I'll be sure to work on improving it where I can
>>83373695
>>83373898
Your backgrounds are alright but your characters feel completely out of place in this world. it lacks any sort of cohesion. the toughest criticism I have (and this will probably be the most difficult to correct) is that overall the whole thing is aesthetically pretty unpleasant.
>>83374003
that is tough, so what would your suggestion be? to change how the back grounds look? or characters?
>>83374044
definitely the characters.
take a look at this example from mobius (mobius is HIGH level, so this is shit I don't expect anyone to reach for a long time, but we learn at the feet of the masters)
the character really feels like she is part of the world, it doesn't feel like the background was drawn around her or that she was pasted on top of it. Cohesion is pretty difficult to explain but its probably, imo THE most important part of composition. but ya know this gets pretty heavy into subjective taste
just start thinking about how every element in the panel works together
>tfw other people get feedback on their WIPs but you know you never would
>>83374221
post some stuff anon
Any success stories come out of here?
If not, just anything good you'd put your stamp of approval on?
I should start doing page thumbs RIGHT NOW. Instead I'm going to load up some Youtube background noise, get a drink, check /ic/..
What the fuck is wrong with me?
![tumblr_o836plL9Ep1vvwphro1_1280[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/89XXOGw.png "tumblr o836plL9Ep1vvwphro1 1280[1]")
>>83373898
I only read the latest five pages, but here's what I got.
Your characters' skulls are way too small in comparison to their faces, especially when you're drawing them in profile.
You only ever seem to use one width of line and it never tapers at the end.
http://imgur.com/a/IkoEZ#5
Your art is absolutely rife with tangents. It's often hard to tell objects apart.
http://schweizercomics.tumblr.com/post/11966164633/the-schweizer-guide-to-spotting-tangents
A lot of your lines that should be straight aren't. They're wobbly or curved.
Drawing long, straight lines is really really hard, I know, but it's a skill you have to master.
A lot of your lines that should be parallel, like the fuller of the straight sword in the first panel, aren't. They have completely different vanishing points.
Your anatomy is hugely inconsistent. For example, pink hair's breasts range in size from "a little smaller than her head" to "twice as big as her head" within a few pages. On the latest page, her hands are completely different sizes in the same panel.
Your character perspective is weird. Example: Pink Hair's proportions in the central panel suggest that her legs are closer to us, but the parts of her that are visible, with her breasts in front of her lower torso, suggest that her head is the closest part, despite being the smallest.
You've got a pretty good grasp of posing and lines of action, though.
>>83374443
There's Demon's Mirror and that new thing Harrodeleted is working on.
>>83374544
Work is hard, leisure is easy.
Stop being afraid of failure.
>>83374559
thanks for pointing those problems out, I'll be sure to work on fixing them, thanks for providing links
>>83374559
I don't think I'm even afraid of failure - I just keep falling back into "What's the point? It's not going to make you any money and you still need to find a real job."
Man, I'm getting started now for real.
>>83374544
ayy dude this is a really good mix, been drawing to it all morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXa7tmy-hpo
>tfw you want to post your comic but you've seen people get shit on for better stuff than yours
>>83375629
but did people shit on this?
Bumpo.
Welp, I'm as ready as I'll ever be.
>>83375974
yes
constantly
WIP of the next page
current progress
how's the dialog?
>>83380097
The ruins were built by dinosaurs!?!?!?!?
Lookin' good.
>>83380686
You should move the first speech bubble in panel 2 a bit to the left so that's there's absolutely no doubt that it comes first. I had to slow down a bit to make sense of it.
>"I'm warming up to her"
Shouldn't that be "she's warming up to me"?
not that i'm super proud or anything but might as well repost this since it was at the end of the last one
>>83380840
alright, moved
>Warming up to me
I was a bit confused too, but if she said it like, "The boss is warming up to me", wouldn't it be interperate as "The boss is shy, and is more comfortable around me"?
I'm not sure
>>83374258
He's just a dumb feelposter, ignore him. They seem to be multiplying.
>>83372993
it looks funny! keep making it
>>83378899
haha what? does he mean that's not a costume, or that it's made of coonpelts?
>>83379592
he should say THE games that you made for etc. and he starts his sentence with tonight and ends with today, i think he means 'earlier today'
then he says 'just' and 'only' in the same sentence later
also it sounds like he could say 'second place is determined by views, but first, third, and all other places are calculated by stars'
>>83380686
closest* pals. to* her
I found thumbs for a short comic I wrote/thumbed last year so I'm working on that. I hope that counts for this thread, since it's not a long-form webcomic.
>>83373688
Are you doing thumbnails during the planning for your comic or are you just jumping into layouts?
>>83375629
>>83374221
>>83373104
If you're this afraid of criticism, you're not going to get much out of this thread, or posting on anonymous boards for critique in the first place. Believe me, I know it's scary, but sometimes that harsh critique (or even the lack of critique) when it happens can get you off your ass to keep working. It really helped me once.
>>83380686
*closest. Otherwise, listen to >>83380840.
>>83381042
No, "she's warming up to me" can mean "she's coming around to not want to throw me into a pit of fire"
>>83381042
I don't think there's any shyness connotation with "warming up to", just that the boss is growing to like her more.
Here's what I thought you were trying to say, drawn out a bit:
>yesterday she threatened me with the scorpion box; she saves her best death threats for her closest pals, so she must like me if she's threatening me with scorpions.
Did you mean that the underling is becoming more fond of the boss? I don't really see how that follows in the conversation.
>>83381187
It's a comic and it's on the web - seems like it counts.
Can't say much from four panels, but it looks okay.
>>83381363
Thanks, man. I'm pretty much shooting for okay. I haven't made any personal work since last year so I'm kind of just making something for the sake of making it.
>>83381239
Hmm, I thought there was a shyness connotation to it. I guess that's not the case, I'll change it.
I meant for it to sound like the boss is liking her underline more.
Also, sorry about the spelling errors, strange how I missed that
>>83381443
>I meant for it to sound like the boss is liking her underline more.
Okay, then it should definitely be "she's warming up to me".
>>83381187
that bell-eared little devil seems like he (?)'d be voiced by kevin thompson
>>83381595
Oh no, I read that as Kenan Thompson at first
I've been having a go at an original strip, based around superheroes (good to know no one hurt themselves coming up with that premise I know).
I'd be interested on people's thoughts on how it's progressing, it's as much a learning curve for me than anything else.
shroomsdayproductions.com/peerless
>>83382367
it's original alright. i dig the focus on action, and i even think it works despite your incomplete education vis a vis anatomy. i'm just having trouble caring when i have no connection to these people yet. it feels like a sequel to something older
>>83382454
That's helpful feedback, thanks.
>>83381182
The comic is about people who get turned into cartoon characters. Some cliché shady agency finds out and puts them in a house together until they can turn them back to normal. Not the most original idea, but its fun to play around with.
The suits of the guys who haul them to the house are made of similar material to whatever their genetic makeup became after the mutation, as to protect them and act as a sort of external antibody to whatever caused it.
Fighting fire with fire, so to speak.
>>83383236
that's a pretty weird premise. it's definitely original, i dunno where else youre seeing this..
>>83383400
I'm talking about the "cartoon characters living in a house together" part. Didn't drawn together do it?
>>83381187
what are thumbnails?
i set up the panels, then i do a rough sketch in each panel then i detail, then i dialogue
>>83385284
So comic thumbnails are essentially the rough sketches that help you plan how your comic is going to go. Little tiny drawings of your pages where you figure out how your panels are going to look, and how things are going to look on the page.
If you're doing a longer-term comic, doing thumbnails to plan your pages will really help you save a lot of time later on.
Here's some real straight-forward info on comic process: www.lackadaisycats.com/makingacomic.php
>>83385284
Thumbnails are miniature sketches done to figure out the overall composition before you do a full-sized sketch.
>>83385479
>>83385508
shit thats a good idea, thanks gang, imma go do this
>>83385508
When most of you do thumbnaiils, do you keep them this simple? Half the time mine end up being as detailed as my roughs.
I was trying to get back with my comic, so I started to draw the characters again, and they no longer look the same. Posting Irene, Johnny is too uncanny
>wake me up inside
>>83380981
I'm like Kaen, that's for sure.
>>83386089
They've gotta be simple for me or I end up getting really anal and spending too much time on them. Plus they're easier to erase when I want to move shit around.
>>83386089
I don't do thumbnails as much as I should, but yeah, that seems about right.
I usually draw character's expressions rather than just a cross, though.
(my thumbnails are done on paper, so I can't show 'em, sorry)
>>83386193
New one on the right?
It's a definite improvement.
>>83386197
I usually end up spending 15-ish minutes on a page's layout, which doesn't feel like it's that long but I have no idea. I don't actually add much detail until I'm happy with the paneling, so moving stuff around isn't a huge deal, at least.
>>83386280
Expressions and backgrounds are something I try to establish in them, but sometimes I have to wonder if it wouldn't be easier do part of that work on the page proper. It's rare that artists ever actually post their thumbnail sketches anywhere, so it's tough to really get a sense of what the process is like for other people.
>>83386645
That's really interesting! 15 minutes for a page and at that level of detail isn't a long time at all. What size are you working at, usually?
This is what my thumbs usually look like, sometimes I won't even draw the whole character in the panel. They're sketchy as all fuck. Then again, my pencils/roughs (>>83381187) are pretty tight after the thumbnailing stage.
>>83386645
That's a thumbnail? It looks like it's full sized.
15 minutes doesn't seem like overly long - I've spent hours on some thumbnails.
I think the criteria I use for whether expressions and backgrounds get in is how important they are to the panel. Unless it's really important I just figure that out as I'm rendering.
>>83386610
Uhh, thanks. I'm really on the edge on how I should feel about this.
On one hand, agreed, it's looks shall we say better, but is she still recognizable? If I were to draw her in other poses that don't imitate previous drawings, would the character really be the same?
She was always mean to be a bit rounded, but the new one looks skinnier. I dunno, maybe I should embrace this and not feel so attached to the OG designs. These threads are witness of the major changing on some of my old designs for other character as well, so maybe it's mewho needs to let go
>>83387108
I recognized her. Aside from having a chin now, everything seems like a refinement, rather than a change. She's still round, just less cartoonishly so.
>>83386824
8"x5.5" for the thumbnails, then the full pages are A3. 15min may actually be on the low end, now that I think about it, any page with a big establishing shot or something like that eats up more time to sort out the background elements. I doubt they ever take more than half an hour, though.
>>83386893
It's only big thanks to the size I scanned it at, I think. Unless the sketch pad I use for these actually is compared to the size most people work at, I have no idea. In terms of time spent it helps that I'm not the writer, so I'm just translated a script into panels.
I usually focus on background in them just for the sake of keeping the characters' places in them consistent, and I try to put a little effort into the expressions so the writer can comment on them before I move to pencils. They're pretty terrible half the time thanks to the limited time spent, but I'm not great with expressions to begin with.
>>83373688
hey, so I know this doesn't answer your question, but I poked my head in the thread and looked at your strip. You should try switching the places of the fourth and fifth panel.
I say this because that third panel is so spoopy and out of nowhere, it's almost like a punchline, and that reaction in the fifth panel seems more suited to come immediately afterwards.
>It's been 2-3 months since I posted my first page
>Still have yet to make any good progress on the next one
I need to get my shit together Jesus Christ
>>83387412
Well at 8x5.5 inches your thumbnails are about 4 times the size of my thumbnails (I can easily fit nine on an A4), so that explains that. I don't know what the average size is, but your thumbnails being significantly bigger than most people's might well explain why yours end up being more detailed.
>>83387757
DO IT
>>83387546
i see what you mean. I like that a lot more actually
>>83374221
yeah, its kind of shitty. I posted like 8 pages in a previews thread and I barely got a ''nice job!'' comment.
I guess people only give a shit if the art is professional level or ''muh fetish!''
>>83388329
Post your work, I'll take a look at it.
Also, do you explicitly ask for critique when you post?
>>83388275
Your balloon placement is bad, In panel 5 I'm reading "You're dead[...]" before "Hey, um... where the heck[...]".
>>83388275
Cut out all the dialogue in panel 4 except "oh heck". All that text really weakens the moment, and is redundant: everything you write is obvious from the panels before and after. Show, don't tell.
>>83388451
I mostly agree with you, but I think having more than one "aw nuts" thought might work as well.
Like, "oh dang" "oh heck" "oh man"
You could also do away with text entirely and just have his reaction.
>>83388555
Oh, for sure! I personally like the expression with a bit of dialogue "oh heck" or something. Mostly my beef with that panel is the unneeded exposition.
>>83387757
but you still draw every day, right?
i keep redrawing my first pages every day because when i finish them i feel like they are good for a few days, then i see them again and realize that i could have drawn them way better, so i trow them and start all over again or sometimes i look at my script and realize how i can make things flow way better so that also makes me change what i draw on the pages
some people here can do a lot of cool stuff with simple characters and colors without shading, but when i try to do stuff that way i never feel fully satisfied , so i guess the best for me is keep to re drawing things until i hit i point where i feel really satisfied for a long time
>>83388688
>i keep redrawing my first pages every day
I feel like that's a one-way ticket to dissatisfaction, anon. You've gotta move on eventually. Even the greats had to let go of old shit and move on.
Besides, no matter how good it may look to you now, you'll still cringe at it in 2-3 years.
>>83388377
>>83388451
sick, hows this?
>>83388688
You're better off moving on, Anon.
You'll improve faster and you'll actually get a comic out of it.
>>83388901
I'd make the skull guy's second balloon a separate thing and put it in the lower right of the panel. Other than that, this page looks done.
Looking for an invite to the discord.
>>83388901
Don't be afraid to get them balloons real up close and cozy, my man
>>83388377
I second this anon.
Also there's a small issue with panel 1 and 2. Because of the almost identical placement of the hill / mountain and the direction the protag is looking the hill should be bigger in the second panel, not smaller.
You should either make the hill smaller in panel 1 or much bigger in panel 2 to better convey sense of distance.
With this type of minimalistic background it'll make a noticeable difference.
I really like your concept.
Make the skeleton do something spoopy on the next page to double down on the joke from the last panle.
Like this for example:
Panel 1: torrent of screeching souls burst out the skeletons eyeholes
Panel 2: Protag screams, shocked expression
Panel 3: some stupid joke
I did a crappy sketch.
>>83384837
oh i see, yeah that part. but it looks to me like the comic isnt really about the fact that they live together
>>83389196
oh, hes not looking in the same direction. hes supposed to be kinda sweeping the landscape. i don't really know how to convey that
>>83386193
yeah he missed out on a lot of adventures having joined last, so when there's a callback he's often kinda clueless, and that can provide a good audience surrogate because shit i dont think people remember that shit that well
in this case though the callback is to a totally unrelated comic that was only a few weeks ago, and it's more that he hasn't been to alex's house and met kishon's pet suzaku.. at least i don't think so. he may have been to the house.
>>83386645
lovely!
>>83387108
consistency is a constant battle. consistency with the past, consistency with other characters.. or even the question of whether she could go intentionally off-model whilst getting emotional. just remember nothing you've made is perfect, and nothing you make is going to be perfect
>>83389196
>mexican souls are great at sneaking across the border back to the living world
figures
>>83389575
>i don't really know how to convey that
not who you're replying to, but I wouldn't really worry too much for this page. That difficulty seems to come with having a character that's just a skeleton. You could try studying skulls in profile harder if you really want to nail down that issue.
Otherwise, you can just convey that in the next page as the skeleton just keeps moving
If I had the free time I would edit every single face in Carrion Girls to have googly eyes.
>>83390192
I'm WAAAAAAAAAY too busy working on my comic plus my real job to have the time to go through every page of Carrion Girls and do that.
>>83390283
It wouldn't take more than five-ten minutes per page. If you did just one page a day, you'd be done in less than three months~
>>83389802
Not so fast
tfw no comic
>>83390466
then start drawing one
>>83389802
but he is kinda right?
that's why we have our own underworld full of skeletons
Does anyone have any suggestion on how to make the dialogue/ panels a bit funnier?
>>83391023
what if I can't draw?
>>83391339
more memes
>>83391280
yeah dude, one of my favorite webcomics uses that kinda stuff heavily. the main character is a guy posessing a paper mache calaca
>>83391339
the heads in the foreground could react to her, each in their own way. one's alarmed, one's mocking, one's just like ugh not this again
every time I post a strip on reddit, people generally don't like it, so I've taken to writing passive aggressive titles for my posts, does that make me a weenie?
>>83391555
the term that comes to mind is 'barking up the wrong tree'
anyone who doesn't get you, you can do without.
>>83391440
then learn to draw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4&list=PLV2X3tgajVlEAo91iOj8w5YizC_fLULzu
>>83391339
im don't want to be rude but you have been posting this same page for like a week, i think iyou should just start coloring it already
>>83391603
well put
>>83391339
I'd give that hand going through the glass it's own "beat" just to give the joke more timing
I've always wanted to make a webcomic, but I lack the art skills. I've written down all my ideas, but I really want to get this rolling. Does anyone know I good place to get a artist, even if I have to pay them? Should I tell you guys my ideas for advice?
So this is probably a stupid question but has anyone here some information on where to find artists (or authors and vice versa) to team up with for a comic project? Or maybe someone can tell from their personal experience?
I've been visiting these threads pretty much ever since I started coming to /co/ but I've never seen it mentioned much even though it's pretty common in the industry.
I started writing comics two years ago and now I have half a dozen projects in various stages of completion. Unfortunately, I can't draw for absolute dogshit. I'm practicing but it'll take years before I can even attempt to draw them so teaming up with someone seams like a logical step.
Any suggestions?
>>83391739
>>83391769
This can't be happening.
>>83391739
I you're willing to pay, it's easy. Everyone and their grandma does comissions. But it'll be expensive as fuck and most likely unsatisfying on a creative level.
>>83391440
Wipe your ass with a page of Mega Man sprites and someone on DeviantArt will think you're a genius.
>>83391831
Post one of your ideas, I'll post one of mine.
Bonus point for sketch.
>>83391555
You really should do some pruning of your PW ad campaign, man. I'm seeing some of the places you're bidding and no way is your cost per click doing well. 2 cents per day bids in regions that get like 3 uniques per day and the like.
>>83389571
It does later, here's my Tapastic Page: https://m.tapastic.com/The0Painful0Truth
>>83391805
this is basically like 80% of these threads
not to be a dick to the numerous people who come here saying >>83391739 >>83391769 these kind of things, but i actually DO have some advice
1. throw out your magnum opus grand masterpiece of webcomics. you will not do something perfect the first time you try, so at least be realistic and start small. do something you can do and improve
2. draw it yourself. we all suck and anyone you think is good was at some point sucking, so pay your dues and start sucking so you can be good, and have it be well desrved and appreciated
3. dont expect anyone to care. people don't care about anything ACTUALLY god in your life, so why will they care about your stupid webcomic. it's like anything else in life, you do it for yourself, and if you expect the best of yourself and deliver it to yourself, others will notice and pay attention to you
4. stop asking amateurs for advice. really, the best lecture in not the world is not as good as failing and trying again, so start failing
>>83391922
I freely admit that I have no idea what I'm doing in terms of advertisement, I'm just throwing shit at the wall, not to mention I don't really understand how it all even works
but hearing that someone has seen my ads makes me feel nice
>>83391935
need to work on lettering/bubbles. looks atrocious
>>83391769
>I've never seen it mentioned much even though it's pretty common in the industry.
we mention it pretty often
>>83391888
A boy falls in love with a girl.
Unable to confess, he is gifted with by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
>>83392048
Hell we even get artists looking for writers once in a while
Not often, but often enough that I've had to be like "you'll be in high demand because we get the opposite all the time, guy" and I wonder where those people are now
FFFF I think something is very wrong with the pose in this sketch. Seems very rigid for some reason but I can't quite figure out why.
In any case, it's the first draft of the main character of this project. Posted in the previous thread asking if anybody would be interested in reading a webcomic set in italy.
Fleshed out the concept a bit more, may elaborate on it later.
>>83392076
never been done before
>>83391769
>>83391739
guys, really just go to youtube and look for basic drawing tutorials, and start practicing at least until you feel that you can draw something aceptable
i know that on the indstry it is a common thing, but here all of us are completely alone, and even if you find someone it will be very expensive and complicated to keep the comic going
only very very specilases have hapenned like that one punch man guy, and it happened because he started drawing the comic by himself and then a good artist liked it and decided to help him
so just do it, draw your comic using whatever you have and if your idea is reallly really good maybe someone will help you
>>83391942
This is some great spiritual advice I guess but you didn't answer the question.
>>83392192
>but here all of us are completely alone
>>83392149
his torso could bend more, and his hips could.
>>83392192
>it will be very expensive and complicated to keep the comic going
But why? One guy draws, the other does the script and they split the revenue (or the costs for materials and such) 50:50 or whatever they agree on.
I just don't understand why it should be such a phantastic impossible idea for someone with drawing skills and someone with writing skills to work together on a project.
There's nothing to be lost, only to be gained and the JUSTDOIT mentality of these threads can just as easily be applied to a group effort as a lone project.
>>83392036
Yeah, I'm planning on redoing those parts once I finally learn a better way.
But the art is ok, right?
![tumblr_o80e0pwT7T1u9p9f5o1_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WfeeZsj.jpg "tumblr o80e0pwT7T1u9p9f5o1 1280[1]")
This week's Black Peak. Updates tuesdays.
http://blackpeakcomic.com/
>>83392196
2 was draw it yourself, so i guess the answer is to stop looking for an artist?
>>83392356
>But why? One guy draws, the other does the script and they split the revenue (or the costs for materials and such) 50:50 or whatever they agree on.
Because there is no guarantee the comic will make any money. The artist has to dedicate a fuckload of time working and drawing pages and possibly end up getting nothing in return.
As much as writers try to pretend, their end of the work is about 10~20%. I've seen writer/artist teams, and the artist is doing the brunt of the work.
It could be months, or (more likely) years before money starts rolling in. Why would a hired artist put that much time and effort into something for free, when they could be making actual money in the mean time?
>>83392302
Okay, tried it very quickly by twisting the sections with the rotate tool, noticeably better than before.
I should probably redraw and go for a more "S"-shaped bend, as the guy is supposed to be wounded and barely stending
>>83392510
yeah see. now another issue is his head is still pointing straight forward. it should probably be lowered slightly, with his eye peering up under his browline trying to see ahead despite not having the strength to hold it up
>>83392356
well imagine if one guy does the site, PR, social media, script, getting money, giving money, and the other person does art. seems... fair?
>>83392508
I work with a writer on a webcomic, and it's something I've enjoyed doing even as just a hobby. The comic was around for a few years before I was ever a part of it though, and without that I'm not sure I ever would've known much about the project to begin with. It's certainly possible to do, and I'd say getting some examples of your writing out there is a pretty good first step.
I do spend somewhere north of 12 hours on each page, and it's definitely a huge time investment. Coming up with a short story or something along those lines and looking for someone to collaborate with on that would be a good starting point - I wouldn't bet on most folks having the time to join a project for the long haul.
>>83375974
but did it stop the guy who made it from making money from trafficking and whatnot?
>>83392076
you must be joking
>>83392356
Good luck getting an artist to stick in for the long haul, or even past the first week or so. It took me 10 years of looking for artists before I found The One.
Finished this page!
>>83393774
well if you're not putting anything else in the background of him standing in front of the screen, then.. you might as well move his word bubble in panel 7 so it's not covering up his face, right? you've got that whole area above his head
>>83392451
In a sense, yes. But for comics lettering/bubble are intricate parts of the whole picture.
Your art has smooth simple lines, while letters are often jaggy, font differences are jarring, bubbles are lazily scrawled on. It's so bad it even takes away from the art style, as if implying "the art is simple because it's lazy like the text".
fuck you guys, you wouldn't know a good comic even if it sucked your dick
>>83393955
Ah geez, I knew I was forgetting something! there was gonna be an animated thing there.
I'll put it in later.
>>83393319
>10 years
Fuck. I guess these panles will stay blank forever.
>>83394174
Did someone tell you to learn your fundamentals?
>>83394308
Well if you can draw basic sketches, even stick figures, of wha'ts happening, you're way more likely to get an artist.
>>83394243
that's what i figured. it looked like it was gonna have animation or some kind of pixelated screengrab of everyone
>>83394384
I can manage stick figures. But I can't draw perspective. I have no sense of shape or perspective and I can't draw anything resembling a person.
Once I added drawings it would look like the work of a bored 5th grader. I honestly think I'd make a better impression just leaving them blank...
>>83395070
Basic perspective stuff is pretty simple if you do some studies on it. I imagine you'd be fine with some stick figures, text, and/or a completed script if you're looking for an artist to collaborate with. Enough that an artist knows what they're getting into, and can get an idea of whether or not they like your story / work. What's your plan there though, passing the panels to an artist to fill in or something?
>>83392356
>>83392508
The mainstream values good writers over artists (it's "Alan Moore's Watchmen"). So naturally all those burgeoning comic artists will want to try their hand at writing their own project.
Also note that art is identifiably bad, the 90%, or good, the 10%, instantaneously. So while a writer can know their "the one" (and just like a marriage, you just pick the first decent one who says yes), for the artist it takes a little longer... it puts pressure on them.
>>83395070
Wouldn't hurt to learn yourself, unless you don't want to fall for the first point in my post.
>>83394139
Thanks for the info, I've changed the text and placed it a bit more neatly. If it still isn't up to a good comic standard then I'll just redraw the bubbles entirely. I'll reupload all the pages in the next few minutes.
What's your favorite art in a webcomic, /HYW/? What do you gravitate to? Right now I'm a big fan of millionfish. The simple flat coloring combined with excellent use of blacks and shapes is really inspirational.
>>83395232
I have detailed scripts with notes on shots (close-up, long shot etc etc), composition, camera angle and of course dialogue. Those are the full-scripts, and I have a few of them. They are essentially finished comics that need only to be drawn.
Then for most of my other stuff I have plot-scripts that leave room for the artist to do his own paneling and art based on general directions.
It's all pretty elaborate stuff considering it amounts to absolutely nothing at this point because there's no drawings.
Sometimes I feel like a deaf man trying to compose music or something. It's pretty frustrating.
>>83391339
>the benefits of racial mixing in underwater societies
fucking lel
>>83395561
eww
>>83395561
Gone with the Blastwave. But if you're talking inspiration, you should be drawing ideas (and comparing yourself) to all art mediums, all industries, all styles.
>>83391339
Note to everyone: Don't linger on text in the environment for more than one panel, especially if it's a gag or as long as a sentence. Just like a speech bubble the readers should see it once, acknowledge it, then move to the next panel.
>>83395755
Well if you've got the materials, get them somewhere visible and start trying to get some artists' eyes on them. Even if it's just showing them off and looking for feedback or something, you need some way to get folks to look at your stuff, assuming you're comfortable with that.
And depending on what you're planning on doing, the Premier Pulp thread that's up might be a decent place to start looking. I'm the one who contacted the writer I'm working with, so I doubt I can be much help in knowing where to look for an artist - but if you don't know one already or get some info out there somehow, they're never going to find you to begin with.
Might want to prepare to be flexible on some the art-related stuff depending on the preferences and experience of any artist that might be interested too, but that's probably obvious.
>>83396091
>you don't get it. what if people went around calling you "White Stormy"?
>Wait.. is there a black Stormy?
>>83396275
Of course! I tend to gravitate towards musical theatre productions and film concept art when I think about my comics. Black/white balance (not value balance, stark black and white) is pretty exclusive to comic books, though.
well I already did a minecrafty obsidian hell portal, what kind should I do this time? somethin funny or weird.. like a giant toilet that flushes you to hell
>>83398174
Have a giant obsidian hell portal with an "out of order, sorry :)" sign and have the nearby broom closet with a sign saying "temporary hell access".
>>83398293
plbbtt, i love it. thank you
now if comicgenesis would just get off its period. what a grand time for TWO people to be attempting to binge my comic.. and somehow in the process of trying to force an update the entire comicpage part of the site is broken.
>>83398400
>implying anyone cares to binge that shit
>>83399730
hey i'm with you dude, i'm baffled anyone has the patience. and i'd be baffled even if my shit was twice as good.
yet i have one guy reading it all to review it (i expect ample scathe! but i still appreciate the attentch) and one who commented in my chatbox 'oh here's this comic i haven't read since 2012.. time to catch up'
>>83391555
your comic is beautiful and you should feel good about it
>>83392356
Listen. Do you know why it's so difficult? Because in most cases of "hey I'm looking for an artist for my project", the writer has already fleshed out a majority of the story and it belongs to them. If the artist had no part in fleshing out this world or these characters, why would the artist feel invested enough in this story to slave away drawing it? For that, the artist could just go and spend all of that time on their own projects. What's motivating them to draw somebody else's project if they're not getting paid?
Writer/artist teams are more likely to work if the two of them work together on story/concept/characters/etc as well, even if just a little bit. Scott Wegener and Brian Clevinger (creators of Atomic Robo) are a good example. They've been creative partners for years and they work because 1) their personalities happen to mesh, so they're good friends, 2) they have similar creative philosophies, and 3) they work together on the direction to take the series in terms of writing. Brian does a majority of the writing, but Scott pitches in ideas as well, and they workshop it together.
Good writer/artist duos are so incredibly hard to find because everybody has their own ideas and their own creative philosophies. Not only do you have to be good friends, but you have to be good coworkers, too.
>>83392467
>>83395561
i dig it
Is Ko a believable name for a girl? I decided to make one of my characters a girl for shits and giggles, but I don't know if I should keep the name. She looks sort of like this, if that helps.
>>83395561
Rain is probably my favorite. It's inspired me to put in the effort to make the comic look as good as it can be, even if it takes forever to make.
>>83400845
ko is a traditional japanese name ending for girls, so absolutely. also she's cute. definitely looks like a ko. or something with one syllable before ko, yknow? because she's got a feral look going. she could easily be a piko or a moko or summat like that
>when your own people give you shit about your comic
>>83389735
>nothing you've made is perfect, and nothing you make is going to be perfect
Agreed. I am one of those who think the only artistic ceiling is considering you're doing good enough, but I'm still baffled for the change, and will be until I cross that threshold.
I will eventually draw more and settle down on this until the next change, I guess.
>>83392508
I hate this argument when it crops up. As part of working in a visual medium, the Artist does generally do most of the work. But the writer is the catalyst.
My scripts are often longer than the end page-count just for the sake of making sure everything is set up and accomplished by the end of it. I'm in charge of making note of when certain characterization moments happen, making sure something doesn't fade into the background when it is important, and keeping the pacing right. I'm also in charge of making the characters, the plot, the overarching plot, and generally making everything outside the art -work-.
But my work generally gets done months in advance to the finished product; because the finished product takes longer to create. Because what takes me an hour to edit on a page can take me artist four hours to finish as a page. And the release is staggered, so while I have 32 pages done; the artist makes 4 pages a week for 8 weeks; which does give the appearance of far more work (and often it is!)
And I don't just write for his one comic, I write for three other projects for him. Some of which make us money, some of which might. And they all get the same process; which also includes a copious amount of research and research writing to make sure things feel authentic and correct.
At the end of the day, I call it 60:40 in favor of the artist; 70:30 on an easier update. I'd never deny my artist does more work than me, but the writer when they're doing their fucking job and making a good project, is almost as important. And if that artist can't write to save his ass.
But those are just my two cents.
>>83401494
it's pretty obvious looking at your stuff that you're not in total control. sometimes you get into a good groove, but then you try new stuff and you get right out of that groove. all you can do is keep practicing. it's obvious you have some of it down in an internal deep-down way, and that'll always be there, so keep adding to it. the more you get down effortlessly the more you'll be able to integrate new aspects into it
>>83401895
I really can't imagine doing only one or the other. It'd be like trying to translate language one word at a time using a dictionary, unaware of the context of the other words in the sentence. It's one thing to just do a commissioned drawing, or to write something inspired by art, but when you get right down to it a comic should have fully full-on synergy where the same creative mind is driving both. you can tell when the art is simply purchased, in the same way you can see right through moneygicians who simply bought a prop and do a trick with it as its instructions indicated
if you think you can't draw, skip it and work on your visual expression ability (like even stupid abstract shit that represents feelings you want to get across). then once you have that, maybe you'll feel more like you can draw, or can learn.
>>83401895
Because, after all, I can finish 30-50 pages of writing and consume a few books and articles on whatever subject I'm researching in a day. If the artist tried to do 30-50 pages in a day he'd suffer serious burn-out. Not that I don't, but if I pass out after a whiskey-coffee fueled research bender, I'm not holding the product behind.
It is a whole thing, but I'd totally say there's a lot of writers who don't carry their weight. Who don't edit their scripts in multiple drafts or try to clarify how everything plays into the larger picture so the artist can use that. There's probably some writers who don't even try to make the artist feel enthusiastic about the comic each script and like what they're making is something worth making.
Ultimately if you're getting a writer or want to be a writer for a comic, you have to carry your weight; which will appear to be less when it comes to the production cycle. Because it is staggered. And the weight of your stuff is heavy, because if you fuck it up you're wasting everyone's time.
>>83400484
And pretty much this. You gotta treat it like an active partnership and everyone has an equal voice. It helps to buds. If the artist doesn't have a stake in what you're writing, they have no incentive to make it. Much like how I've not had a stake in what an artist is making and had no incentive to want to write it.
Plus the revenue isn't instantaneous. And hell, if I had a better job I'd pay my artist just to get him into a more productive situation; because I can work off the Steinbeckian bullshit of the world, but he can't.
alright, just got page 3 done.
I did a few thumbnails and that really helps a lot
>>83402053
>50 pages in a day
i bet those pages are like proper comic book pages though, so there isn't much on each one
plus you spend a lot more time working out plot elements and linking together the story as a whole than you do writing down the individuals of each page.
Discord invite? Or is the server dead.
>>83402996
what is discord?
>writefags think they're worth shit
>>83403150
Shut the fuck up.
>>83402414
You weren't doing thumbnails before? Good grief...
Then again, barely anyone here actually writes their stories all the way through, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
>>83392356
>One guy draws, the other does the script and they split the revenue (or the costs for materials and such) 50:50 or whatever they agree on.
It's simple: think of the amount of time it takes you to write a page vs. the amount of time it'll take the artist to draw it.
It's hard to quantify the amount of time I spend on writting because a lot of it is going back and forth to make sure the pacing is alright; but for me, on the higher end, I'll sometimes take an hours until I'm satisfied with the layout and an hour to write the dialogue (so let's say MAX 2 hours to write a satisfying page). Drawing a page will take me at LEAST 14 hour.
If I were two people who got $100 per page and split it 50-50, Writer-Me would be paid at least $25 per hour (per page) while Artist-Me would be paid at most $3.5 per hour. I'm sure you also think that wouldn't be fair.
If all you want is "just an artist", you've gotta be willing to pay up because there's a high demand for artists and so they can afford to drop your project for whatever else pays better. If you want someone who'll be investd in your work, it's got to be more of a partnership where the artist also gets some input in the story or at least you two are friends
>>83404117
I had never even heard of it before. i have a premise but I'm probably gonna sit down and figure out the rest of the chapter before drawing more pages
tho I also romanticize the whole not giving a fuck and just winging it aspect
>>83404356
You should really get around to reading that Scott McCloud book.
And maybe a Glenn Vilppu book? No offense.
>>83404568
which McCloud? reinventing comics looks cool
i'm just making this cause i'm bored, i'm not serious at all about "honing my craft" or whatever but I do like to draw and try to get better
I took my first anti-anxiety meds this morning and now I want to DO EVERYTHING.
I've been putting this stupid comic off for ~5 years and have just done the first three pages in a day.
If it's the ol' depression holding you back from creating, anons, go to a damn doctor. It's worth it.
Help me out /hyw/
I'm trying to improve on my shading before I actually start my webcomic. And I honestly have no clue where to start.
Figure A is how I have always done shading, which is just basically me using a gradient tool.
Figure B is a more traditional style of shading that everyone seems to do. Don't judge because that right there is my first time ever trying it.
Should I stay with A? If not then how could I possibly improve on B?
Also ignore the fact that it's a Kricketune. It was the first thing that came to mind when I wanted to draw something today
>>83405179
B has more depth. A looks like some paper mario thing
>>83405052
let us know how it goes. that shit sometimes has a nasty comedown period afterwards
>>83405052
Can confirm, seeing a doc changed my life
alright, how does it look
>>83405052
the fuck do i take if comic-ing is ALL i can do
>>83405264
Yeah man, this stuff definitely does. They're hardcore benzos that I'm not supposed to take for more than two weeks.
With any luck, it'll turn out that it's just a thyroid issue and I have to eat some irradiated sugar. Otherwise I guess I'll be put on different meds.
>I got like 50 of these, though, so I might save a couple for art/writing blocks.
>>83405356
I have no idea what this means.
>>83405357
yeahhh i'm pretty sure a friend of mine got super fucked up on those
>thyroid issue
i know i have one of those, i wish anyone would listen.
>>83405235
What If I'm trying to get a Paper Mario look?
People have told me for a while that my style looks like Paper Mario and I take that as a compliment more than anything.
Should I stay with A? Because if I do I guess depth is a thing of the past for me.
>>83405381
In America they hand them out like candy, right?
>>83405357
>Yeah man, this stuff definitely does. They're hardcore benzos that I'm not supposed to take for more than two weeks.
What?! Your doc is a retard. You don't fight anxiety and depression with benzos. You need SRI.
>>83405179
bones stop
>>83405179
Maybe you could try a combination of both? A to show the general direction of the light and B to show the shadows on the individual parts.
>>83405511
m8, my resting bpm was 120. Like I said, it's only for a couple of weeks until we figure out the cause.
>>83405593Who is Bones? Whoever that is I'm not him
>>83405179
try both at the same time
>>83405620
>>83405710
Here is both shadings mixed together
How does this look? I kindof like it other than maybe I went a bit overboard on B's shading
>>83405729
>>83405179
considering the more cartoony artstyle/thick lines, i'd probably go with B
>>83405621
That's the same problem I had years ago, I couldn't even get out of home or I would get crazy tachycardia. My doctor gave my SRI right away though, and I'm doing great.
>>83405179
oh boy i hope im not too late, so you can see this
that, looks a lot like how i used to color and shade stuff a while ago, so im getting cringe flashbacks
don't worry,just watchg this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh12RA3ha0U , this is the best explanation i have found on how to shade things better, and hopefully it will save you all the struggle i had
>>83405052
Weed is my anti-depression/ADD medication.
>>83405847
You're not too late, don't worry
I'll watch that when I got the free time, which I have alot of at the moment.
Thanks for the video
>>83404701
understanding comics and making comics are good. reinventing comics, not so much.
>>83405348
lookin good. lines are a little unprofessional, but i like the architecture, perspective, lighting, etc.
>>83405901
i'm reading understanding comics right now and this shit is blowing my mind
thanks for the rec
>>83405901
>>83406628
It should really be in the OP.
I dunno how .pdfs by McCloud, Hampton, and Loomis are not in the OP, but shit like a Skype chat and a guide to promoting comics (by a comic I've never heard of outside of these threads) is.
>tfw your comic will never be appreciated, even in these threads
>>83405847
fucking rad, thank you
>>83407204
That's because you don't show it
>>83407204
>>83407257
seriously even fucking Dewd is getting praise every now and then
>>83406732
also no drawabox.com? or hell just a link to the /ic/ sticky.
>>83372883
I just don’t want to do it anymore. This is goodbye
This is it. The end of Eva.
I’m done posting my art online for free, I don’t want to do it anymore.
I will never stop painting and drawing and writing and animating and creating. But its long since time for me to stop posting my work to the internet for all to see. Ive been doing it since 2007 and I have nothing to show for it. It was all pointless, all a waste of time.
Not that drawing or creating was a waste of time, its never a waste of time to make something… but posting it online for free, for no reason, for barely any views, comments, or revenue, it was all a huge waste of time that could have been spent working on my art.
I never had a real audience or group of watchers or followers or fans or friends online or whatever, and I don’t want any, I never wanted any, this isn’t a rant or a complaint or a reason why im disconnecting my internet and am done being an online artist, im just pointing out the obvious.
Im just done being an online artist.
Im just done.
This is goodbye.
My last upload was my LAST upload. So… So long, goodbye, and thanks for all the fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojydNb3Lrrs
>>83407393
Fuck off already.
>>83407427
im leaving, im leaving
goodbye 4chan, goodbye internet, i wont miss any of you people i dont know, and dont want to know, goodbye!
its been real yall, i hope yall liked it!
>>83407393
>>83407459
man this feels great, publicly retiring from being an online artist that does and shares everything for free, it feels great!
ive got my whole life ahead of me, peace, im out of here!
>>83380686
>Scorpion Box
>not the Boo Box
C'mon
When in doubt, bring needless drama.
Stay classy, Bones.
>>83407568
its been real anon, also dont confuse me with scribble batch, this is a good bye message to the thread series ive been posting in since Hows Your Webcomic thread #1
THREAD #MOTHERFUCKING1!!!!!!
>>83407670
YOUR RIGHT AT THE EXIT SIGN BONES, JUST WALK THROUGH THE DOOR AND NEVER COME BACK LIKE IN THE MOVIE OF THE GIF YOU JUST POSTED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjPUTOqqM2s
>>83407670
>says he's leaving
>still checks the thread and replies
80 Lemon pies.gif
he's almost driven to sanity. keep ignoring him.
>>83392757
Righto. Going to fix all of it today. Posting results later.
>link comic to friends
>get ignored
Colorin tonight/tomorrow's update of The Sisters. Tryina start this arc on a lighter note.
what the fuck is with the /r9k/ tier shitposting in this thread? take your frogs and your feels back to your containment board
>>83408364
I've never understood the idea behind having flags on underwear. Is it supposed to be sexy? A statement of patriotism? Is it a countercultural/revolutionary statement, a display of what you think of old society's taboos?
>>83409053
Not wearing pants, as well as our beloved American flag stand for the thing we value the most - freedom!
>>83409166
FREEDOM!
>>83408364
Is that Dan's ass? Why would he be half-naked in front of Erin!?
Anyways, I really like the worldbuilding that went into Sisters. Is there anything like an article or even a wiki on it?
>>83409190
Has any comedy ever shown a bald eagle landing in front of a flag, proudly standing as a symbol of US power, nobility and freedom, and then let it make actual bald eagle noises instead of dubbing a red-tailed hawk over it?
It's a crime if that joke has never been done.
>>83409417
Someone volunteer to ask about this on Reddit!
what's the point of drawing when no one cares? I'm starting to really feel dobson's emptiness these days
>>83409577
The fulfillment of self improvement and, hopefully, translating your ideas to paper with some competence.Full disclosure, I'm also feeling the same way lately. But let's not be Dobson, OK? Just need to remember that it will get better if you keep pressing on.
>>83409603
>it will get better if you keep pressing on.
I keep telling myself that for years and it's only been getting worse. But the rollercoaster has to climb before the drop right? It's just a really fucking long climb right? The drop will surely come someday right?
>>83409658
I wouldn't think of it like a roller coaster. It's more like climbing a really tall mountain. You'll probably never reach the top, but the view will keep getting better the more you climb. But if you stop climbing, you'll probably start tumbling down.
>tfw you can't stop feelposting about your shitty comic
>>83409691
>It's more like climbing a really tall mountain.
I disagree with this, there's no moment where you can say "there! I made it! I climbed up all the way to the top!"
>>83409658
>>83409577
Get therapy for depression, have peers to talk to and share your work with, have a healthy daily routine, set achievable daily goals. You're gonna fail a lot so you need a mindset that allows you to grow.
>>83409658
>>83409577
is this the feelsposter?
>>83409786
I would say there is a top of the mountain (thinking in terms of the old masters here), but most people never reach it.
>>83409658
I've long given up on finding someone to love me, all I want now is at least someone who loves my comic
>>83409417
I just realized my whole life was a lie.
any comics today? or just feels?
So for the longest time I've been working on the writing of my webcomic and not even the plot so much as potential plot lines and (mostly) characters. Its going to be story-driven for the most part, about a a superhero named (for now) Nova Girl who is seen by the Justice League expy that I have is seen as too stubborn and irritable to work well with them. So she joins this second team of weird superheroes to form the Notny Defenders. I have several questions that I've been debating that I would like some help with.
First of all, does anybody know if the word sentai copyrighted? I want to use that as the name of one of my characters. Also, I originally envisioned Nova Girl starting out with the Notny Defenders from the beginning of the comic, I've recently debating starting the story with her by herself and building up to the team (though most if not all the characters will still be there from the start). Which one sounds better? I plan on this being a (hopefully) moderately long run, finishing up when it feels natural, but the overall length isn't a concern to me right now. Also, I'm trying to decide between a more realistic style that I'm not as good at, or a simpler style which I'm not amazed about but either way I hope to improve. Which style should i start the comic with and hope to improve on?
The most important one I would like answered is how to get myself started. Whenever I write the hardest part is deciding where to start. Cause I can work on characters for ages, but its pointless unless I actually start writing the plot. Anybody have any methods they use for writing character driven conflict/plots in their webcomics, especially when it comes to starting the comic?
tl;dr
>sentai copyright?
>With team from start vs buildup?
>realistic (bad) vs simplified (not as bad)?
>Getting the plot started?
>>83410739
>sentai copyright?
Doesn't seem to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentai
>With team from start vs buildup?
Get to the point as fast as possible, imo.
>realistic (bad) vs simplified (not as bad)?
Go for realism. It's expected for superheroes and it will be better for action.
>Where to start
The classical monomyth approach would be at a status quo just before the plot hits the fan. If your story is Nova's integration into the Notny Defenders, this would be something like Nova Girl getting her ninth rejection letter from the Justice League and hearing about the Notny Defenders on tv as she's drowning her sorrows.
Or if it's about the adventures of the Defenders, this could be them stopping a generic heist before unveiling a deeper plot.
>>83405729
>shading with black
hoo boy
Welp, I finished the latest 'Pigskin & Porkrind.' Onto the next one.
character design page for my HW submission 1/2
friend or foe. who knows!?
>>83411885
2/2, thoughts so far?
>>83411966
>friend or foe. who knows!?
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
>>83409228
It is, in fact, Dan's ass. As so why, you'll just hafta find out tonight at 7pm EST B)
As far as a wiki, there were plans to have an online production bible when we got to a certain Patreon tier, but fuck knows when that'll happen. Ideally, one of us will find time to add a little info feature to the site.
Plus little side-stories that aren't plot-relevant, but happen in tandem with the story. So we see the entire Salem Society through Orea's Weird Purple Ghosty Truth-o-Vision, maybe follow Dan on the job, and maybe see Martha back when she was really young and in her hay-day of magic.
>>83410739
I think a first story should give a good impression of what the overall series will be about, but if all characters are there from the start either way, it probably doesn't really matter. Go with whichever you have a better idea for.
A word of caution though: If you try to introduce too many characters at once you can only scratch the surface of everyones personalities and the readers won't care for them as much. It's usually better to put your main focus on only two or three characters at first, even if many more show up, then branch out and focus more on the others later.
I used to have a ton of problems with plots myself until someone told me to focus more on potential conflict when creating/developing characters. Basically set up your characters personalities and believes in such a way that they are bound to clash in some way, then plots should start writing themselves.
>>83412111
the manlet looks funny and expressive enough
10/10 MC, probably would carry an anime show on his own
The cat doesn't give me strong feelings, if you can replace that ectoplasmic furball with sluts.
So, it seems a lot of people have problems with the word "rape". So I'm going to replace it with "sexual bullying" to minimize the negative reactions.
>>83413994
wtf what is the context?
>>83414072
i think is that guy who had been posting the same page for days about his character breaking a door in a feminist school
>>83405398
there's no reason not to have depth, man. even paper mario usually tried to fake that.
>>83411885
>still has homework
underage pls go
>>83405621
that's.. not normal? >_>
>>83411966
Your comic looks great, but I never got the chance to ask where your site is or where you're hosting your webcomic.
>>83409053
see to me, the stripes on the flag look like the pre-existing stripes one would have on underwear (or maybe not, i guess at the time the flag was designed, underwear probably didn't..) so it's the flag that looks silly. adding stars just improves it by making it 25-50 percent less underwearstripes than it was previously.
>>83414855
Not a doctor, but if your heart rate is consistently above 100 beats per minute when you're not doing anything strenuous, you should definitely go see your doctor.
>>83411966
um... so what exactly is the deal with her eyes right now? sometimes they're pico eyes, which i get, but other times they seem to be just normal eyes except the sclerae dont go all the way to the center, leaving her looking weirdly crosseyed
>>83412111
good times
>>83413994
i've always been fond of 'surprise sex'
some people think that trivializes it
i say it helps to demonize surprise, which i'm all in favor of.
>>83415060
you sound like my doctor. what do they know? i NEED all that blood. it's not very well oxygenated and the circulation is shit.
Designing props for chapter 2. I get the feeling that the tent this is based on was meant to be erected on ships, rather than on land, but I feel like it would be even more out of place to take a tent design from a neighboring culture.
I don't know if it would be too boring to just leave the tent's fabric off-white, but maybe the frame's fancy woodwork will make up for it.
>>83413994
What a coincidence - I just had a girl comment something along the lines of underage nudity "never being okay" before apparently rethinking it and deleting all her comments on the comic. Shame, her other comments were pretty interesting.
>>83411966
This is where not being a soundless comic would be better.
>>83409577
>what's the point of drawing when no one cares?
To get so good at it you make people care
>>83415298
having bad opinions sucks. i'm lucky i'm exactly the age i am, so all the dumbass shit i ever posted is back on the pre-2002-or-so net, and using nicknames i dont use anymore.
>>83415144
>it's not very well oxygenated and the circulation is shit.
In case you're serious, that might explain the tachycardia, but it doesn't make it any less stressful for your heart. I don't know your medical history, but you should probably listen to your doctor if he's telling you it needs fixing.
>>83415576
bah, i just checked and i'm at 97.
besides they have no solutions except pills with nasty side effects.
>view counter on my comic
>go to the page to check views
>only 1 new view
>it's me
>>83415664
Well, unless you're already running marathons on the regular, a few minutes of cardio exercise each day would be one way to improve your heart rate without pills or nasty side effects. If you're like most people in the western world, you could probably also benefit from losing weight.
Doctors are usually pretty loath to prescribe either of those, though, since patients get offended, give them bad reviews, and don't follow their advice.
>>83408216
>>83392757
There we go. I think that before continuing I should do something about that right arm. Feels slightly off.
Who here wants to creepily draw their own characters nude? I know a certain someone is already paving the way...
>>83416144
maybe because if that was possible you'd be doing it already
>>83416250
just mimic staggering yourself, see what your arms do
>>83416379
how can it be creepy and nude? that's like being disgusting and being made entirely of chocolate.
>>83416452
Creepy in a sense of "I want to normalize nudity" but then only drawing female characters naked. You know, that kind of ultra-creepo Diaz shit where you want to fug your character and you want everyone to know it but you don't outright just say so, so you draw your character as practically a nudist all the time.
Hi co, can you guys help me out? I'm working on a story with sexy hero girls who fight monsters on a weekly basis. And I want them to defeat and purify them in funny fanservicey ways. Any ideas on how I can do this?
One character is pretty busty, so she can maybe smother villains with them and flash people, another has a big butt which she is kind of embarresed by, she's fight a bit like princess peach or Hibari from Senran kagura. And I have a few more I'm still working on.
Any ideas or thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
>>83416756
Post pictures of them.
Okay, might as well solicit opinions here as anywhere. A lot of /co/mrades seem like honest and earnest people with smart things to say. Have a look at my strip, now a few weeks along, and tell me what you like and don't:
http://ladysman.smackjeeves.com/archive/
And before you do: Yeah, it's got furry characters. Furry characters are fun to draw and fit the design ethos I'm going for. That's all. So deal with it and say something constructive, or just move along, okay? Thank you.
>>83416419
Possible? Most people who don't exercise are physically capable of doing so but refuse to spend the time and effort.
Everyone who's alive is capable of losing weight by just limiting their calorie intake, and yet 60+% of the US population is overweight.
>>83417046
I could, but the last time i posted pics here, I learned i still have lots to work on, like anatomy and other things, so I'm kind of hesitant to post things here until they look better.
Right now I'm just brainstorming ideas while i work out there designs a bit more.
>>83416741
you have some serious problems, my good fellow. best work on it
>>83416756
Whips and other BDSM toys seem like an obvious way to get the monsters to submit.
One girl ties herself up and, like a voodoo doll, this causes the monster to be immobilized as well?
Sucking out the evil with your lips or tongue seems like another obvious idea.
A magic staff that has to be held between the legs and rubbed vigorously to work?
One girl has to grind a magic seal tattooed on the sole of her bare foot into the monsters' faces to defeat them. She'd have a kick-based fighting style, obviously.
One girl is blessed by the ancient Greek gods of wrestling and can wrestle any monster, but only when she's naked and covered in blessed olive oil in the manner prescribed for ancient Olympic wrestling matches.
>>83417179
Got some more fanart.
Do you wanna abuse Dat annabutt?
>>83417612
Also sarah.
>>83416756
i suppose you could watch queen's blade for inspiration. personally i don't find any of that stuff erotic OR actionpacked, whereas straight up normal fighting is already sexy on its own.
>>83417160
how does it feel regurgitating such overrepeated nonsense?
>>83417612
>>83417623
congrats
i dont suppose this is that girl from before, did you get ahold of her?
>>83417556
XD I love these, so many awesome ideas. Plus its fun way to defeat villains and monsters without actually having to kill them.
Thanks for these, time to brainstorm how to use these in the story.
>>83417649
Oh yeah, It's the same girl, I got to talk to her on her instagram (@succ.yomi) and she now reads my webcomic.
>>83417667
and that's assuming you don't wanna go into the less popular fetishes, since you mentioned 'purifying' the first thing that came to mind for me was holywatersports
>>83417722
yay
it would be weird to share that, i assume, except she's an artist and you show off things artists do.
>>83417751
Nah, not into watersports, there will be some fetishy stuff, but nothing too crazy.
>>83411352
I laughed.
>>83412111
I'm a fan! I'd love to see these characters in a structured comic. Looks like you have good sense for blacks and tones.
>>83414567
>what is college
>>83417892
homework in school is your parents persecuting you even more, getting their tax money's worth for the babysitting / maturity retardation service
homework in college is you doing their job for them, and paying them a cripplingly large amount for it
in any case it was a joke, HW is hiveworks in this case
>>83417941
Don't be mad just because Hiveworks rejected you.
>>83417628
>how does it feel regurgitating such overrepeated nonsense?
Honestly, it feels sad and it feels tired.
There are so many, many, many people who just refuse to do the very simple things that would help them and that have been proven to work again and again and again.
It makes you consider why you ever tried to help people. Why you spend years of your life studying to help save people's lives when apparently, you value their lives a lot higher than they ever will. Why you bother picking up the addicts when they overdose and giving them antidote and then go pick them up again next week.
I really hope you one day understand you're not helpless, Anon.
>>83417965
we all say that about something. only some of us are right
the key is realizing that you are helpless about some things, and using the energy you saved (from not bothering) to work on the things that your post is actually true of.
speaking of actually webcomics, do you ever make a comment on one, then look back the next day hoping it's been replied to, and the commenting ability has been removed from that and all other comics?
>>83417941
Ah, kek, I should have realized
>>83415298
Doesn't seem weird to me. I mean if someone needs a tent and already owns one, it's only sensible to use the one they already have.
Or is there a reason why that wouldn't work? Would only ship owners have tents? Are ship tents build in a was that makes them unsuitable for camping on dry land?
If that's the case and there's no evidence what land tents might have looked like, I'd just take the sea tent as a base and extrapolate from that, changing it until it works for regular camping.
>>83417114
Glaagh. It would help to have a bit of artwork here, wouldn't it? Apologies. ^.^
>>83418361
Ooooh I like this. I can really see your influences, too. Very nice.
>>83418361
every time people say that I wanna just be like 'you don't understand how wind works, do you'
it's the same logic that thinks aliens could pick up our radio signals lightyears away..
>>83418683
Well sure, I know that! But it's an old dramatic saw at this point, and useful sometimes.
![721d03f1437f68fb7247c796bdb6873d[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w5eL63n.jpg "721d03f1437f68fb7247c796bdb6873d[1]")
>>83418321
Well, the people using it are the kind of people who would be expected to own a tent for every occasion.
They work on land just fine - viking reenactors use them all the time. The main thing is that it seems like a much bigger hassle to carry the frame for a tent like this over land than what you'd need to carry for a tent that uses tent pegs and is driven into the ground.
If you were going through a forest, you wouldn't need to carry anything except the fabric and tent pegs for a tent like pic related - you could just cut branches of the right length wherever you made camp, or use your spear shaft or something.
Whereas with the viking tent I posted above, you've got three special-made seven-foot poles* to carry around or strap to your horse. I don't know much about camping, but that seems a little overly complicated. The only advantage I can see to the frame tent's construction is its ability to stand on its own without needing tent pegs, meaning you could put it up on a ship at sea (maybe as a covering for the recessed cargo hold) or when camping on rocky terrain.
*each of which is rather fragile because of how it's cut to slot into the rest of the frame
I'm not super bothered by it, mind you. It's the least of the anachronisms and inaccuracies that I'm gonna have in the chapter.
>>83418909
i assumed you knew, and were just referencing it, yeah. it's just one of those funny things, the fact that you always see it.
Motherfucker
I told myself to keep notes on the advices someone told me on that thread last week or more, and the thread got deleted before I was able to copy paste them.
Makes me want to dump my stillborn webcomic.
>>83419535
https://desustorage.org/co/search/subject/hyw/
/hyw/ never dies.
>>83419535
>>french filename
Will it have a version in the original language? Never get to read as much french stuff as I'd like.
I think I'm gonna go and buy a whole bunch of BD at one of those used books places next time I visit France.
>>83419598
Thanks a lot sempai
>>83419316
Hm, I see. I wouldn't want to carry that around if there were more convenient options available.
Just to clarify - is there no historic evidence of the simpler tent you posted being used in viking culture or do you just want to include the ship tent because it looks more interesting?
I suppose you could set it up so that something goes wrong and they only have access to the wrong type of tent, but that might take the story on an otherwise pointless tangent.
Or... I don't know much about nordic mythology so I'm not sure how much freedom you're taking with the more fantasy-ish elements of the story, but would it be possible to have some magic related reason for them to use that specific tent? Like a protective spell or something?
>>83419697
Of course. All Flawed will be french-written because 1/ I'm french, obviously and 2/The french intra-web is pretty big, so I won't have that much trouble getting an audience here.Also expect some Femme-Fatale villain along the way, so I expect people to waifu her, and frankly I have zero problem with that
>>83419834
will also be french written*
Also pretty excited for wednesday because I will get a new graphic tablet, hopefully with a lighter pen because my current tablet has a heavy one, which makes drawing on computers feel like a chore, so hopefully productivity will rise.
>>83419834
well i'd bilingual it if i was you, mon ami
progress on the next page.
>>83419803
If there is any evidence of it, I don't know about it. Maybe there could be some saga accounts of other types of tent, but the only archaeological evidence I know of from the period in Scandinavia is three large tents like this from Norwegian ship burials.
I could put runes on the woodwork and say something about the tent having some magic to it (could even make it plot important with a tiny alteration to one character's characterization), but the tent isn't intended to play any major role in the story so I think it's gonna be fine.
>>83420511
Forgot pic
I don't think I'm going to finish this but I figuess I'd show you guys I guess. Today is Lotte Reineger's birthday so I thought I'd do a little silhouette drawing.
>>83420619
figures it'd look like something from ikea
>>83420765
whodat, someone known for silhouettes? i assumed it was nobody worth caring about when google featured her
it's a cute flytrap and butterfly too
>>83415081
good point, I'm wondering about her eyes and will try to readjust them to be a little more clear.
>>83419931
Pretty awesome, man, best of luck. Hope to see your link up there in the Google doc in the opening post soon.
>>83420511
>>83420619
Yeah, it's probably best not to make a big deal out of it. Many readers won't even know that it might not be accurate, so including something like that could just draw attention to it.
Pretty interesting though! It's definitely a cool looking type of tent with the carved ornaments and all.
>>83420917
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_Reiniger
Pioneer of silhouette animation, her film "The Adventures of Prince Achmed" (1926) is the oldest surviving feature length animated film. I remember seeing her last film, "The Rose and the Ring" (1979) on TV a couple of times as a child.
> nobody worth caring about
It disappoints me to see someone on /co/ say this about an animator or cartoonist.
>>83421472
awesome
dude i was just commenting on google, i didnt know she was an animator.
>>83420872
Okay, I sniggered, you got me.IKEA's the swedes tho. A little more to the right
>>83421324
>Many readers won't even know that it might not be accurate
Man, *I* don't know that it might not be accurate. It's just a silly theory I came up with just now, I'm pretty sure any serious archaeologist's opinion would be "insufficient data, stop speculating".
Maybe mention it in the blog.
>>83421746
you dunno archaeologists. if only they were that sensible.
>>83421727
Here's a hint: after you watch the little movie, or click on the Google Doodle, it takes you to a page of links all about the day's subject.
So even if you've never heard of them before, you can find out why Google thinks they're somebody worth caring about.
>>83422618
yeah i know. how many ways do i have to say 'i made an assumption that turned out to be incorrect' ?
because 9 times out of 10 the reason google thinks they're worth caring about is 'black / woman / black woman'
>>83408364
The Sisters updated, and it is the start of our new arc. "The Old Flame" is about shit from the past coming round to fuck shit up, rigging politics, and summer plans. 4 pages to start us off on a lighter note. Set a couple months after the last arc.
http://thesisters-comic.com/
https://tapastic.com/episode/366517
>>83409053
Well Dan just wears them because he's cheap, a patriot, and he thinks it is sexy. Plus freedom. If Dan takes any cop role model seriously it is Sledge Hammer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMW9G6x2Olg
>>83409228
God bless you for recognizing a man by his ass. And yeah, we've got no articles up; but I could start doing that if people might be into it.
>>83421472
>It disappoints me to see someone on /co/ say this about an animator or cartoonist.
Look at this guy on his high horse. Just because someone is an animator or cartoonist doesn't mean we should care about them, fuck off
>>83422618
Also, everybody knows you can search about the person by clicking the doodle, but maybe we don't care if Google thinks it's somebody worth caring about. The more you know: people can choose to ignore these doodles .
>>83423451
good ol sledge hammer
one of my biggest influences that i havent actually watched.. somehow i just can't get through it.
the 'swipe' motion threw me off a lot, I thought it was something being swiped across his chest.. like.. her finger i thought? except no, couldnt be. the little shape is basically the shape a blade would make in a comic usually
nice ceilingless shot on the kitchen. i need to just do those, but it bugs me. but it shouldnt.
whoa who's this guy
>Read description
ohhh he was eating her out. i didn't.. i wouldn't have ever picked up on that. but that's me, that's not a problem with the art.
>>83423664
>whose that guy?
That'd be Eduardo/"Uncle Eddy", the guy in New Mexico who was bossing Conrad around. Showing up unannounced. With wine. In New England.
>>83423803
oh fuuuu
>>83423803
>>83423827
also, hey! no screwing up the grammar in your quote of me! that makes us both look like dorks!
>>83424027
I was distracted by dogs and rage at what those dogs have done to my bedroom floor; excuse my typos.
>>83424118
if youd stop feeding them cheese theyd stop diarrheaing on your floor, dude
>>83418361
Just read all of it. It's got a lot of potential. Main character feels a bit Gary-Stu-ish, but he's dead now (?) so I guess it's not so bad. It was a bit difficult to keep track of the story, but I got a good enough general idea to know what was going on.
The art is fantastic. It's got a good old-school vibe to it that I just love.
Keep it up, man. I'll be looking out.
>>83423589
>>83423260
I'm sorry you feel threatened by the idea that women, black people and black women can sometimes make valuable contributions to the arts and sciences.
Perhaps, one day, you too will be able to contribute to humanity.
>>83424451
not without a scholarship
dude it's -every single one- is my point. google wont feature anyone else. anyone anyone has ever heard of.
>>83424747
Everybody's already heard of Mozart and Einstein.
Don't you think that perhaps we need to remember people like Hertha Marks Ayrton and Olga Skorokhodova as well? (Pro tip: You can google them to find out why they're worth remembering.)
But we're getting off the topic of webcomics.
Say! How's YOUR webcomic?
>>83424246
Thanks! Constructive criticism means a lot, honestly. ^.^
Yeah, my lead character is very much a sort of old school squared-jawed pulp hero. But he'll be taken down a few notches when his plans go awry, and other characters have their own ideas for him. Keep watching.
Thanks for the kind words about the art. I'm going for a sort of Deco-ish, "Jazz Age in Space" look. I draw a lot of influence from classic magazine illustration, and garish Silver and Bronze Age comics.
Overall, I'm trying to combine old style SF adventure with a lot of humor and cartoonish sensibilities. I'm shooting for a sort of more mature and sophisticated "Disney Afternoon" show, if that make any sense. :) Thanks again, and I hope you enjoy.
>>83424451
>>83425203
I am not sure why you tagged me on this reply, since I didn't say anything about this, but I have to say I understand where the other anon is coming from. Women/black people/black women sure can make valuable contributions to society, but are we paying tribute to certain specific people because they really deserve, or are we throwing a bone because of their race/gender?
I am pretty sure we also have a bunch of important men who are not remembered, who are overshadowed by the work of other men and women, and you don't care about them. Why should we create quotas to honor people based on what they were, and not for what they did?
>>83425203
Gee, I wonder who posted this.
>>83424747
To be fair, Lotte's art is pretty fantastic and she actually did notable things, which is why I made the silhouette drawing in the first place.
Also I knew about her long before google featured so...
Studying the industry you are interested in tends to help a bit.
>>83425203
>How's YOUR webcomic
Update didnt do as well as I hoped but eh. I guess I'm at the best I'm going to get views wise until I start advertising or I find a new place to post my pages.
>>83425646
Probably not the person you're thinking of.
>>83425548
>or are we throwing a bone because of their race/gender?
>we also have a bunch of important men who are not remembered, who are overshadowed by the work of other men and women, and you don't care about them.
>quotas
Oh, you were so close. I almost thought you were serious. I think it was your use of actual grammar (unlike that other anon) that fooled me.
Do we really want to derail the thread with such an entry-level diversion? Back to the webcomicing.
Finally, Finish and There is no grammar mistake in it.
>>83426116
>getting hungry for listening to her
its FROM not for
>>83381187
hey! I saw your stuff on the twitter, can't wait
>>83426465
Curse it, I thought Grammarcheck.com was suppose to help me.
>>83425548
in this case it's probably ANIMATORS who have been the most overlooked historically.
>>83415081
Changed the eyes. I hope its an improvement
>>83426116
technically you want to use a colon there
My luck works like this: you need to praise.
and actually you kinda wanna use that in the third panel too. in fact i'd almost say use a colon twice, except you dont do that. but it's a special kind of subject-only sentence because it's a description
also, you need to praise WHAT? just anything?
>>83426633
english is HARD, man. don't worry about it. we're here for you.
>>83427039
much better! now in the second panel, go ahead and move them further apart until they're as far apart as they were before. You had the spacing right all along.
>>83426609
Hey, thank you! Hope it'll be worth it.
Workin' on the next page
>>83427692
>sugoi and not kawaii
Do you even weeb?
>>83427295
I would go just a bit further apart
>>83427692
moon rune is the WRITING. it's moonspeak if it's out loud
>>83427859
nah theyre cool for sure. kakkoi to the max
>>83427880
just a good rule of thumb: one eye-width between eyes usually works great. it depends on the height of your eyes though, that can throw it the fuck off.
>>83427859
Well, part of her character is that she misuses Japanese phrases and words. and regrettably I'm not much of a weeb.
>>83427692
another waifu added to the collection
>>83427919
But Anne is clearly trying to be cute!
>>83427982
>Collection
Harem more like.
>>83427948
if you want them to actually be straight up wrong, i can help you with that. have her say kowai instead. it sounds like kawaii but means scary instead.
>>83427039
These eyes are way worse. I wasn't even sure if you were the same guy who does this comic or some random anon trying to fix it... The lines on the eyes are wobbly, the round shapes are uglier than the original's and don't even seem to match your style, the placement is awkward, both in relation to the face and to each other (the space between the two eyes should be the size of an eye) the irises are too small and it looks like she is surprised/afraid of everything she is looking at in this page, and also, while everything else seems to be drawn with a pencil brush, the irises pixels are so sharp they look like they were drawn with ink brushes.
I mean, she was a little too crosseyed in the original, but it was way more pretty and charming before. Try to keep her iris and the shape of her eyes as a rectangle as they are in the original even if you make another modification. Also keep the round white eyes in the last panel reaction, it's pretty cute and much better than the update.
>>83426081
Anon, if you really didn't want to derail the thread you wouldn't have made this sort of empty inflammatory reply, you would have simply ignored me. So please, if you have something to say, say it, if you don't, stop shitposting.
>>83427982
>>83428096
yeah so far i love all the girls in this comic.
>>83428223
don't listen to this guy
>>83428242
except for the eye-spacing part. then do listen
also until this page i never had any problem with the eyes, so maybe that?
Rough first panel. Writings a bit hokey but i'll try to complete the page within the hour
>>83428277
The "guy who he shouldn't listen to" here.
She was always a little crosseyed, you just didn't notice because we never had a focus on her face before. He should fix it if he can, but if not, it's not really a problem, the way it was was quite charming.
>>83427692
Can anyone confirm if the the 3rd panel's joke makes sense? I think maybe Becky should say "crap I don't need another ditz in my clique" and the rest is fine
>>83428968
it works better as we, i think
but the joke doesn't entirely make sense since the fact that the group is only 2 people is sort of irrelevant to how many more ditzes it can support.
everyone getting a lot done this thread.
>>83413854
>>83415081
>>83417892
Fantastic, 2 more pages down. Actually do have a structured comic draft in my pitch, will be posting soon
Thinking of doing a series with this guy. Thought I could make him out to be sort of a medieval, monster hunting jack reacher in the way that the stories are written- he shows up, he meets a few characters, he fucks shit up, and he leaves. Mite b cool
>>83429384
jack reacher?
kinda sounds like a samurai jack kinda guy
>>83429513
Jack Reacher is a character in a series of novels in which he wanders around modern america, getting into lots of (very violent) trouble and saving people before moving on to the next town or state. Pretty good books, if not a tad formulaic. There was an okay movie made out of one of the novels starring Tom Cruise, which, if you know anything about Jack Reacher, was entirely the wrong person to play him.
That's a bit off topic though, so you can do your own research there.
>>83429921
ah, kind of a billy jack. sure.
man does everyone like that have jack in their names?
>>83428499
While i'm drawing i'll talk about my concept. It's a story about an ape piloting a spaceship full of prisiners and inmates. Need to work on characters and ship designs though
I need a good surname for a parody of a spess mehreen/FPS guy (the grizzled white guy with stubble) type character. First name is John.
He's going to be one of the main characters' father, and they finally meet after 20 years of him killing aliens instead of being a parent.
>>83432558
you mean like SLABNIK or GROWLCHUNK or TENDON, a surname like that?
>>83432558
mcbufflarge
>>83432558
Bloodstench
>>83432558
His first name should be Guy.
>>83402414
I really like this. This page in particular. I mean, sure, it could use some work here and there, but the composition of the entire page hits the nail on the head. Good job.
>>83415144
>He thinks that in increased heartrate increases bloodflow.
If your blood/heart isn't getting enough oxygen, it's because you're probably a disgusting obese degenerate with cholesterol blocking most of one or more arteries.
Your heart is probably going nuts because it's desperately trying to get more oxygen, like it's gasping.
>>83416419
>>83417628
Yup. Tumblr landwhale.
>>83428499
>raping me while I wake up
>it hurts but its barable
How come people from /v/ can draw better than people from here? It is alarming.
>when your comic only gets negative comments
>>83435728
honest to god negative or just for the sake of troll negative or tips fedora negative
>>83435942
youre replying to feelposter
>>83434721
seems about the same to me.
>>83434721
i think /co/ is full of guys that haven't learned that you need to draw from real life to be good at drawing cartoony stuff so most if them go with "muh style" instead of practicing more importasnt things
but you know what's weird, when i draw stuff that i plan to use for my comic i usually care a lot about shading and choosing colors that work weell together as well as making things feel 3 dimensional
and y usually get comments like oh i like whet you did in____ or i like this design
but i was feeling lazy today so i went to the /v/ drawthread and started drawing a request, another anon was faster than me and delivered something very simple but nice, so i said fuck it, i just finished the lineart quickly, i didn't even check my proportions and i gave it flat colors, no shading at all
and for the fist time ever, someone asked me if i had a place where i put my drawings because he wanted to follow it
so know i don't know what people want or like
>>83437046
that's because cartoony stuff is the only thing you don't need to know real life stuff to get right
not real life ALIVE stuff anyway.
but we've had this argument 6000 times.
>>83434721
Firstly, have you seen the kind of garbage that passes for cartoons? Good lord.
Secondly, /co/ is a big old hug box that doesn't have the strength to say no to garbage. No filter, none of pic related (and yes, a lot of people don't have the perseverance to hike Mt. Gitgud, but one good artist left standing is better than three shitty ones rolling around accomplishing nothing).
>>83437046
Also this.
>I don't know what people want or like
People don't know what they want until you give it to them !
>>83437183
the HWYC version would have the last panel filled with excuses and rationalizations
Trying to design a big guy
What do you think?
>>83437292
What's HWYC?
>>83437183
why not hike Mt. Gitgud WHILE ALSO accomplishing something?
>>83437292
that's because that's how real people react to shitty behavior. if you reacted positively to it, you'd be in some kind of backwards land and our entire paradigm about nice would be topsy-turvy
>>83437343
your anatomy still needs a little work, but you're gettin there.
the bigger guy is more realistically big, the far left is more what a bodybuilder looks like, and that's not really 'big' just toned.
however, i think this fucker needs bigger hands and feet. otherwise he's gonna look like a shrimpy guy who has put on a muscle suit.
>>83437391
are you not going to comment about how his upper arm muscles look like balloons? dont care if it's in the loomis or whatever, something about it feels off. I cant point if its his way of drawing the lines on it or what.
>>83437343
Looking at him, I have no idea what this guy is like. He's rich? I don't know. But yeah >>83437391 you gotta work on that anatomy. Beyond that it doesn't seem like it has much of a style to it. Doesn't invoke any kind of emotional response other than, "Why'd he draw the dong?"
>>83437363
Oh, well, you want to be at a certain acceptable skill level before you start slapping your name onto something and investing into a Big Project (a comic). Note that what people deem as "acceptable skill level" depends on the individual. ... And if you don't consider paintings to be accomplishing something then I don't know what to say to you. That's like saying short stories aren't "something". Comics are a real niche, you know.
>>83437467
Nothing about that pic is in The Loomis.
>>83437467
that falls under 'anatomy needing a little work'
>>83437513
it should give you a 'why'd he CENSOR the dong' response, y'wuggit
>>83437536
We all know why he'd want to censor a dick on a SFW board.
>>83437353
I'll give you one guess, anon. Shoot for the moon.
>>83437574
yeah that's what you conclude after thinking about it, but that's still what you should initially be thinking, rather than why he drew it
>>83437577
I don't browse /co/.
>>83437628
I don't think you really have to "conclude" or "think about" something as mundane as censoring nudity. That's sort of immediately understandable, in the same vain that I don't dwell on why he has two arms on the side of his body, or hair on his head.
>>83437744
Context clues, anon, please. Use your brain. I'm sure you could find the answer using the information readily available to you.
>>83437805
Not him, what the fuck are you on about?
>>83437805
>>83437842
my best guess is http://highwaycomics.com/
>>83437842
>>83437855
You're fucking retarded if you see the acronym HYWC in a thread and the first thing you look at isn't a) the thread itself or b) the OP post where it literally says "How's Your Web Comic" multiple fucking times.
Christ, you people get fucking dumber by the day.
that dong is hilariously small for a big guy
>>83437878
To be fair, the first person DID say "HWYC".
>>83437952
...ah. As it turns out, the retard was me all along.
>>83437744
one of these days that automatic thinking of yours is going to land you in big troublehint: it already has
>>83438009
besides, while there is such a thing as retards, and you usually get tipped off they're retards for thinking differently from you, not everyone who thinks differently from you is a tardpole
now gimme five
>>83423451
That's a pretty big dog
Or some pretty small people
>>83438164
he's an irish elkhound, so i think only the bulldog is out of scale
>>83438205
oh wait no he isnt, wrong ears. what's that breed i'm thinking of? the giant with the erect ears
Thanks for the responds
>>83437391
The one on the left is the failed first attempt the legs are too long.
Made the hands bigger. I'll remember to draw bigger feet.
What exactly is wrong with the last 2?
>>83437513
It's a character design sheet/ref not an 'introducing my OC' type of pic.
>>83437628
I have no Idea what you're trying to say.
>>83438294
>It's a character design sheet/ref not an 'introducing my OC' type of pic.
What? If you're trying to say that it's purely technical, for the body type, then why would you post it here instead of /ic/ or something?
>>83438294
>What exactly is wrong with the last 2?
the what?
>>83438402
you might be new to these threads (is this your own art you're posting? it's interesting. i wanna see jareth the goblin king in this style), we often do low-grade /ic/ type stuff, particularly in a case like this where he wants a specific body type for the character but knew something was off about it. we were able to quickly zero in on what those aspects are
getting the anatomy right is pure /ic/ but getting a body type right that evokes a certain image is totally here-stuff.
>>83438435
>is this your own art you're posting?
Always check the filename, Anon.
>>83438402
>>83438435
I mean, if a /cooking/ thread was up, I'd suggest it go there - But this is definitely the next best thing within /co/.
>Actually webcomic related, though:
Do you guys have any suggestions as to a place for posting?
Should I just get a Tumblr? I feel like that's a shit format for reading a comic in.
>>83438595
Try Tapastic or Smackjeeves. Neither of them are quite ideal, but they both help expose your comic to a wider audience than tumblr would.
Blocking some basic colors in for the page after my next, because they're mostly identical but the previous page is going to be inked from this while this is going to be left in pencil. I also need more detailing on the trees and color refinement and whatnot, which I guess I'll just re-scan for if my pencil tool in SAI is insufficient.
How's it look so far? I could use tips on coloring in forests, since I'm going to be doing that... a lot...
>>83438009
>>83437878
solid handle on that. you turned something awkward into something funny with a tasteful reaction image.
>>83439022
It looks like shit.
like a 6th grader decided to watercolor on a paper and everything turned out as a mess and the paper soggy wet.
>he's drawing comics at 3 am
what went wrong with your lives?
>>83439310
As mentioned, the colors were just blocked in to get a loose sense of how the colors will eventually be laid out. I intend to go back and color in actual detail later, so I was more wondering how I could alter the composition or where I could touch up the colors on a large scale, not critiques on the technique of their application.
Here's the page without color, and yes, the trees are also low-detail and will be fixed up later
Its hard to give you a serious reply when there are so many errors to be found in your works. The rocks need more work, the composition sucks balls... are those dead trees or do you intend to put leaves on them? on the angle you've drawn your characters, the mountains should be drawn differently and at a different angle. I asked if youre going to put leaves because if you are, those mountains you drew will be blocked from view.... as it should be. You need to increase the height of some things, adjust line weight, etcetera etcetera.
Color-wise, your best pal is to search for refs and tutorials in google. I mean did you seriously just slapped shit colors in because muh blocked nuh loose sense and then went "how is this guise?" here?
if i were in ur shoes id redo the whole picture.
honest to goodness reply, id even contemplate putting down making comics temporarily and work on my shit.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10384524
Skimming doesn't count, and that really helps with the art stuff, but not for this poll.
>>83439983
artwise it's not even that bad. among comics here it's even above average
>>83440059
Why is there no option for other anatomy books?
>>83440113
HAHAHAHAHAHA
you sure got meee
>>83440117
That's good enough.
It just feels like a lot of people here don't have the patience for this sort of thing. Not to sound jaded. But the OP isn't just for decoration, right?
>>83440210
I'm so sorry, anon.
>>83439569
Thanks again for cameo
>go to bed
>wake up to everything from >>83429235 on down
What happened to my beloved /hyw/???
>>83440881
what do you mean?
Is anyone ever concerned about literary osmosis? Like when you watch or read something, and then elements of those seep into your subconscious and then into your work?
Example: One character used a BFS, then I watched my friend play The Witcher 3, now when I envision this character, he uses what is more or less the Witchers Silver sword.
I can usually backtrack and say something like "BFS's are impractical (which they are)"
>>83441317
fuck is bfs
>>83441317
Not quite like what you're describing, but I often get derivative ideas that I then obsess over for a few days/weeks and I have trouble focusing on the stuff I should be working on because I'm too busy thinking about how my take on magical girls or FPS games or whatever would be so goddamn revolutionary and basically I should be in charge of the universe.
For your character, it seems like a pretty big change to go from a BFS style sword to what's basically a realistic longsword. Why'd you give him a BFS to start with?
One reason it changed might be that you didn't really think about why he'd have a particular style of sword.
>>83441489
Big Fucking Sword. Think Cloud, or Guts.
>>83438294
>It's a character design sheet/ref not an 'introducing my OC' type of pic.
They're saying that a character design that has no style and conveys nothing about the character is worthless, you numbskull.
It isn't helpful for others because it gives no information other than a build and is completely boring. It isn't helpful for you either unless you're doing it purely to practice anatomy, because you're designing a character without personality and therefore failing to practice methods in which to express their traits, such as posture, facial expression, etc.
are people here getting overly critical? not a creator, I usually just comment, but it seems some are really out to get others nowadays. comics that no one had any real issues with before are getting flamed hard now
>>83441867
I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
>>83440059
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10384524
Only read "Fun with a Pencil". Fell for the Loomis meme.
>>83443052
Loomis is to /ic/ as gentoo is to /g/. Except it's a lot easier to troll retards into reading something than installing an operating system, so it's a lot more pervasive as a meme.
>>83441683
I get it now, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.
I have yet to finalized his visual design. I need to put him in a pose that I can easily edit in case I want to redesign his clothes.
He's a stoic man. So... that pic is pretty much in-character.
don't tell me you nerds plan on drawing comics on a FRIDAY NIGHT? do you kiss your mother with those virgin lips?
>>83441867
Better than nothing I'd say. At least someone is paying attention.
>>83440968
Why are we not hugging each other inside an empty white room with soft pillow walls and floors?
>>83428223
Returned to the circular scared eyes in the last panel and tried to readjust. Any better?
Bampu
>>83439983
I did put in loose color and went "how is this guise" here specifically looking for a reply like this, I'm just sorry it came across as enough of a joke that you didn't think it was worth the effort to start. Thank you for the critique, I'll re-approach the background with more focus on composition and perspective. I'm not sure what else I could add to the rocks, but I'll see about coloring them with more distinct planes.
And why would I put down making comics when that's the best way to get experience with these sorts of things?
>>83444472
Because you have bad form. All crits should be done in private.
>>83443789
Yes. I'm severely depressed and haven't left my apartment or eaten in over 3 days. Work is all I have. Just let me have it, anon. Just let me have this.
>>83447272
It's an anonymous board, private crits for everyone would be a pain to arrange.
>>83447550
That guy's trolling/memeing.
You can probably safely ignore anyone using the phrase "bad form" in a criticism context.
>>83447609
>implying /hyw/ doesn't have the dankest memes
>>83438593
what does that have to do with anything?
>>83444699
i like those eyes. they're fun
i'd still move the second panel's eyes just one tiny bit further apart. just like one pupil's-width
>>83446780
>>83443332
why in god's name are you people replying this way to posts like that. or replying at all. all that does is encourage them, even justify them
>>83449308
>encouraging criticism is bad
>>83449368
you're going to tell me you think posts like >>83441683 and >>83439983 aren't just shitposts? really? i mean i could run it down for you if you're having trouble
How do I make the comic feel like it's alive and actually seem like it's a living world?
>>83449521
use blood for ink
Alright, I finished this page!
Team colors! Alright!
>>83449555
Also, I drew this woman up, she's Brenner's mom and one of the first heroes in West Tree history, so she has to look pretty holy and a being of great power.
How does she look? Should her skin be more human?
>>83449521
Give it pop culture, your favorite things from ours if applicable, unique fantasy counterparts if not. Write natural dialogue. Draw googly eyes on every page and have them blink on occasion.
>>83449555
spacing's pretty uneven on the game listings. i'd put a space before and after the dash instead of just after or neither
them's some unfortunate results. i think. wait is that a zombie annabeth?
i mean, shouldn't she have the same skin color as her kid?
i love the smiley pauldrons. i don't think it's a good idea having a blushy below nose-level though.
>>83449452
You're right, if there is no praise in a post then it's trolling. I now see the error of my ways.
>>83449860
it worries me that people are actually taking you seriously
for god's sake tpdats and amonzone, don't apologize and thank people who include 'numbskull' or 'sucks balls' in their "criticism"
or tells you to redo everything, or makes fun of you for daring to block out colors or share character designs.
>>83449521
Put in lots of things that aren't there for plot purposes.
The hard part is to tell your story efficiently at the same time.
>>83449654
>holy and a being of great power
>smiley faces
No, that's goofy.
>goofy face on the sun symbol
No, that's goofy.
>striped socks
No, that's childish.
>exposed garters
No, that's trashy.
>bright red shoes under a green skirt
No. What is she, a Christmas elf?
>asymmetric hip
No. Asymmetry looks weak and malformed.
As a more general criticism, her color scheme is too half-and-half. Have either green or orange/brown clearly dominate. Also, put some green above the waist - trim on the armor, or a necklace, or change the color of her hair band.
>>83450022
Alright, thanks man, I will try it again later, thanks!
>>83450022
i assumed the sun symbol was from dark souls
>>83450064
Good luck. It's rare to hit a home run on your first try.
>>83450090
Maybe, but it looks goofy and out of place on a character that's supposed to look holy and powerful.
In its original Dark Souls context, it's a sign that the guy wearing it is a goofy idiot.
The fact that he turns out to be a total badass is supposed to come as a shock to the player.
>>83449860
>tfw 2/3 of the trinity of retards haven't been here lately
I think they've gained a little self awareness now
>>83450022
The face on the sun doesn't look too goofy, it's a classic Victorian sun face like in the Rider-Waite tarot or a standard ouija board. It doesn't detract. It could use more detailing, maybe.
>>83449995
I just don't want to stagnate and I want this comic to be good, and I could tell something was off without knowing how to edit it. Admittedly, people who sincerely use "muh" need to get dragged to the streets and shot, but the critique seemed pretty sound otherwise.
>>83450183
One of them has been around lately, he's posting anonymously now and trying to hide his posting style. He had me fooled for a little bit too.
>>83450382
well i'm glad you can see through it to the useful bits then
because yeah i agreed with a lot of the critique
>>83450495
Same here. Did I improve on it, then? Is there anything I can do to make the composition better at a glance?
![stock-photo-ancient-old-traditional-and-modern-sun-symbols-258449948[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JYJbPSb.jpg "stock-photo-ancient-old-traditional-and-modern-sun-symbols-258449948[1]")
>>83450382
I know there's a long history of using suns with faces, but to most readers, they look pretty goofy. Unless he's intentionally trying to evoke the goofy sun symbols of heraldry and such, he'd be better off using something without a face on it. It's not like there's a lack of places to take inspiration from.
Ok, how about something like this?
>>83450638
well we seem to be looking at the people from belowish, while the rest of the background is very much an aerial view. it's a weird angle regardless.. if it was me i'd probably just draw a panel divider and let the bottom be its own unrelated thing, with the top as an establishing shot
>>83450926
much more sensible outfit now. the unified color scheme is pretty nice.
>>83451124
Cool, thanks!
>>83450926
Substantially less appealing than before. Don't listen to those jackasses unless you want a markedly worse design. Not a single change was an improvement.
>>83451176
Ah shit, now I'm a little confused.
I guess I'll try one more time later tonight trying to mix both designs, so she can look like a superhero of great power, while still looking like an icon kids could look up to (Well, kids of West Tree)
I want to bump Ellen!
>>83450926
Now there's nearly no green on the lower half of her. The exposed legs also aren't very dignified. Try giving her a skirt that covers the rear and sides in addition to the cloth with the sun on it.
>>83451304
you'll have to develop taste of your own i suppose. i suspect this person is just fucking with you, but the 'i hate what you changed based on that other anon's suggestions' post is a post i've posted many times and meant it, so
>>83451304
Protip: don't listen to people who can't or won't argue for their opinions.
This guy sounds like he just wants to cause trouble.
>>83451318
>trying to bump a thread when it's over 500 posts in
>>83451334
Ok, skirt + cloth this time, got it!
>>83451398
>>83451413
Yeah, but still, it's a nice change of pace, and pretty fun to do these.
>>83451417
He's a dump Ellen poster. What do you expect?
>>83451417
No, I mean I want to bump Ellen herself!
>>83451098
That's an interesting take on it. My only issue there is that I wanted to use the full page as an establishing shot (the previous page will be about the same but black-and-white with coniferous trees instead of deciduous trees), so making it two panels might break that up a little. Maybe I should just redraw them?
They're also about 50 feet above the ground here, if that changes anything. Looking at it now, I can see that the tree on the left looks deceptively close.
>>83451413
just keep in mind that just because they DON'T argue doesn't necessarily mean they can't or won't. but it's worth scrutinizing
>>83451467
ah okay so they're climbing up a cliff and the camera is embedded in the bit of the cliff above them. i wasnt gonna say, but that's.. kinda what it looked like.
![27e4f4e16aadfbd7[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/99syV2S.png "27e4f4e16aadfbd7[1]")
![Small_Osberg_Tent_Frame[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LcEtLFR.jpg "Small Osberg Tent Frame[1]")
