There's a lot of talk about the worlds within the DC Multiverse and how it is structured, but what about the forces that act within the worlds?
We know some things about the "Elemental" forces-
>The Red is animal power, and powers Animal Man
>The Green is plant power, and powers Swamp Thing, Ivy, and other elementals
>The Grey is fungus power and opposes The Green
>The Clear is water power and Aquaman draws on it
>The Rot is a death force and powers Doctor Arcane and opposes the Red and the Green
>The Metal is technology power, and exists in the future
We also know that Brother Power is an elemental too, but what kind?
What about the Starheart and the Emotional Spectrum? Is there a connection between the two? Are Black Lanterns tied to the Rot in any way?
Then there's the powers within the Sphere of the Gods. Here's what we know:
>Dream's power is tied to his world, and Doctor Destiny can use his power. The House of Mystery and House of Secrets are also part of the Dream
>The Omega Effect and the Alpha Effect power Darkseid and Scott
>The Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos power certain heroes and villains
The Speedforce seems like something different. It seems to be a function of the Multiverse rather than something inside it, like being a representation of the narrative moving forwards.
tl;dr how does DC work
The Starheart is the result of the Guardians of the Universe gathering as much of the magic of the universe as they could and sealing it away. According to Wikipedia at least, in the New 52, they did this by sending it to Earth 2, which weakened the laws of physics.
>>82975453
Tell me more
>>82975453
>WORLDS WITHIN WORLDS??!??
>>82975453
Here's an old related hypercrisis idea.
>>82975453
From the other thread.
A deck of cards has 52 playable cards and3 Jokers.
>>82975691
So is the Starheart the source of all magic, or just a large conglomeration of it?
I'm also curious as to whether the Firestorm Matrix is something that artificially ties him to an elemental force, because I have a theory that the Firestorm Matrix is some kind of artificially generated Speed Force. We've seen people pulled into and lost inside the matrix before, and it seems to have the same sort of physics properties that we've seen from the Speed Force. The difference is while the Speed Force is forwards motion, the Firestorm powers are "contained," with the expression of those powers being "bursts" of power rather than continuous effects.
That would also explain characters like Killer Frost, Captain Cold, and Mister Freeze as being some form of counter-Speedster; just as Speedsters are powered by forward narrative motion, these characters try and stop the heroes moving through their stories.
>>82975453
Why is the abrahamic god shilled so hard in the DC multiverse, and why hasnt someone killed the fanatatical facsist bastard yet?
>>82976415
>>82975453
All those elements are part of the Elemental Life. The Red/Green/etc are the physicals ways the elemental force of life manifests in DC and the Lantern rings are the mental/spiritual side of how life manifests in DC.
It's a body and soul dichotomy.
>>82975453
Beast Boy is part of the Red. Cyborg is a representative of The Metal.
When the Multiverse was formed a statue of Superman was formed too. Superman, Ultraman, and other Supermen are powered by this, which represents the idea of a superhero. The entire Multiverse is the eggshell that exists around the Superhero.
>>82976415
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>>82976766
I think the abrahamic god packed up and left reality. Almost destroyed it but Lucifer managed to save the day with help. Think he's gone now.
>>82976766
I think he's more of a Grand Clockmaker type in DC.
I'm not sure, but Spectre should answer your question.
>>82976886
>is the Marvel universe even trying at this point?
Marvel fans are rarely invested in the meta in my experience.
>>82977197
fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>>82976610
>DC is a deck of cards
>the same things just shuffled around to make a new set up
>>82977625
>52
>Mr. Mind creates the multiverse by changing events in time
>Each universe was just dealt a different hand
>>82976666
>So is the Starheart the source of all magic, or just a large conglomeration of it?
I think the latter. It's kinda comparable to the Emerald Eye of Ekron, which IIRC was the Guardian's inspiration for the Green Lantern rings
>>82976766
he is literally dead in lucifer at the moment
>>82977832
Ok time to dissect the fuck out of this like most hypercrisis ideas.
Who're the 4 kings, Queens, Jacks and Aces of DC?
>>82978148
Superman Wonder Woman Batman and...Flash? (had a hard time picking that one). In that order.
>>82978221
then
Monitors, Endless, Guardians of the Universe...Superboy Prime? Fourth is always hardest to pick, but prime fits in with regards to his impact on the multiverse.
Theres still two more suits to fill.
>>82978221
They are all four kings?
Superman King of Diamonds
Wonder Woman King of Hearts
Batman King of Clubs
Flash King of Spades?
>>82978281
Parallax and Darkseid.
>>82978333
Parallax, Darkseid, Anti Monitor and the Joker?
>>82978025
I see. Then I'm sort of curious what the root source of Magic in DC is.
>>82978221
Well it always starts with the lightning
>>82978420
It's probably mentioned in Books of Magic.
>>82978373
>the Joker
There's 3 Jokers. Joker is the jokers of the deck. Come on.
>>82978420
You are getting your stuff mixed up. The Clear isn't part of the whole Red/Green/Black. Also you left off two other Parliaments the Parliament of Stories and the Divided.
Have you read Swamp Thing anon?
And the Avatars aren't tied to the sources of magic. They are tied to life. They come after life is created to represent them.
Example in DC once AI and robots stared the Metal came later, manifested as an Avatar representing technological life.
>>82978420
by-product of the creation of...Creation.
Magic is the spark of life, because everyone and everything in the multiverse can use and have some control over it.
I'd imagine that magic is the exact same power that the New Gods leech off. They're closer to the 'source' of it, so to them its not as mysterious and unknown.
The magic in the universes is just a filtered down version of gods 'source power'.
>>82978505
Yeah you're right. I'm an idiot. Who fits the spot as the fourth 'biggest bad'? mandrakk? empty hand?
>>82978630
>Yeah you're right. I'm an idiot. Who fits the spot as the fourth 'biggest bad'? mandrakk? empty hand?
Well if The Hand of Creation is the one dealing, what would the Empty Hand be doing? Drawing from the deck? Shuffling?
So its kind of insane that Kyle Rayner went beyond the source wall huh?
>>82978808
It holds the deck and is left empty after the cards have been dealt.
>>82978817
eh more than a few others have done it.
Fucking hell, Doc Doom would have made it in the crossover if the JLA didn't stop him.
>>82978981
When the game is over the cards go back to the empty hand to be shuffled and passed around again
>>82979140
fuuuck
time deck of cards thing actually went somewhere
>>82978611
It's not Red, Green or Black but it's one of the elements
>>82976886
I don't get it
>>82979499
Sure, but the guy is mixing his stuff up. Just setting him straight.
>>82979618
How? It's one of the elements. He listed the named elements. I'm not sure what you're getting at?
>>82978318
Well the cards would have to represent the Multiverse, so wouldn't it make more sense to have something like
>Diamonds
Superman as the King
Wonder Woman as the Queen
Batman as the Jack of
Flash as the Ace
Other heroes - 1-10
E2 heroes as Hearts
>Clubs
Ultraman as the King of Clubs
Superwoman as the Queen of Clubs
Owlman as the Jack of Clubs
Etc.
>>82979722
He listed it being with the Red/Green from Animal Man and Swamp Thing. He's mixing things together. Do you not see that image he posted? None of the things in your pic are in it. He took the clear and put it in with red/green.
Sounds like Rebirth is a hypercrisis gold mine
>>82979801
That would lead to only 4 universes.
>>82979812
The Green is the Plant Element.
>>82979948
Plants are a form of life not an element. I have no idea what you are tying to get at. The Green is a kingdom which came to being when a new form of life, plants, came into being. There are seven realms, one for animals, plants, fungi, bacteria, digital, rot and stories. They aren't elements like water, fire wind.
>>82979947
4 Suits
>Justice League/Heroic Archtypes
>Legion of Doom/Villain Archtypes
>New Gods - A Multiversal Constant
>Limbo?
>>82979615
Look at the Map of the Multiverse.
Notice the arcs traveling through the worlds. Note that each individual arc obeys the Golden Ratio.
Make all the arcs bolder, more definite.
You get the flower in the image.
Throughout Multiversity, there was mention of "The Rose That Blooms In Winter". In particular, Batman of Earth 17 was searching for it, and was handed the Multiversity Guidebook with the Map by Dick Grayson of Earth 42.
>>82980165
They are literally called elementals
>>82979948
You're mixing up Parliaments.
The Green that Swamp Thing belongs to is different from the Green that New 52 Alan Scott belongs to, and the rest of the Avatars were written during one of the worst stories since Flashpoint happened.
>>82980262
Are you going by a wiki you read or an actual comic you read? Cause you sound like you've gotten confused.
>>82980324
It truly was terrible and only highlighted by how one of the best stories since nu52 began approached the same subject matter.
>>82980324
you're not shittalking animal man are you?
>>82980408
>swamp thing
>not an elemental
>>82975453
So seems that Doctor Manhatan created the DC Universe now.
Is his the blue hand at the beggining of creation now?
>>82980478
He didn't create the DC universe. He created the post-Flashpoint universe.
>>82980478
Supposedly he just made the nu52 multiverse by taking the 52 post crisis multiverse and removing 10 years from it with reality tampering.
He's on a Mr. Mind level scale of fuckery not quite the Hand of Creation level.
>>82980478
how can one person just not get something this hard?
>>82980474
I'm shit talking Earth 2: World's End, the source of >>82979499
It also tried incorporating the Red and Green and Grey, but the author was basing it off of MtG more than anything and couldn't decide if Solomon Grundy belonged to the Grey or Black.
>>82980198
Side Kicks?
King being the side king that takes the mantle (Dick grayson, Wally West)
Queen being the romantic interest (Lois Lane, Iris West)
Jack being the young protege
Ace being their pillar
>>82980212
Holy shit
>>82980889
Oh boy, are you new to the Hypercrisis?
>>82980837
Supporting Cast maybe?
King - Sidekicks
Queen - Love Interests
Jack - The Parental figure
Ace - The Origin Story?
>>82978611
There is also the Parliament of Flame/Waves/Vapors which represent the Four Element. The Divide/Gray/Green/Red/Metal represent the forms life takes, while the Rot is their antithesis.
OP clearly has read wikipedia and comicvine entries and not the actual comics.
>>82980889
I was going to call you new but really it took us like a year from when the map was released to figure it out too
>>82979499
>putting Worlds End and Earth2 at a higher standard than Soules Swamp Thing
Get out and never come back.
>>82980963
I'm not new to the concept, but I honestly kinda brushed it off as something of a meme
>>82981095
>something of a meme
It's all memes, friend.
You should read Flex Mentallo or something, straight up memes.
>>82980965
Ace is a tricky one.
>>82981095
>something of a meme
Well, you're not entirely incorrect.
But it's less Big Guy 4U and more Grand Unified Theory of DC comics and the study of Memetics.
>>82980965
Origin story is a supporting cast?
>>82981223
>>82980965
Maybe Ace should be the Average People of the DCU, the ones the heroes save
>>82981331
What about authority figures to the heroes?
Like Commissioner Gordon, or Dan Turpin.
>>82981394
Kings are the legacy characters that reach the highest like Kid Flash who became Flash or Robin that became Batman or his own hero. They reach the top.
Queen is the love interest. The partner of the hero/ruler like Lois Lane or Steve Trevor.
The Jack is the eternal young side kick or the Teen Titans.
The Ace is at the same time the highest and lowest card value. They are the authority figures that the hero looks up to while they are still beneath them in power. Alfred, Perry White are both considered by Batman and Superman higher than them but obviously not as powerful as them.
I'd say this suit is the hearts. Diamonds being the suit of heroes. Both are the red cards in the deck.
>>82981394
So the deck looks like
>Heroes
King - Superman
Queen - Wonder Woman
Jack - Batman
Ace - Flash
>Villains
King - Luthor or Zod
Queen - Aries
Jack - Dr. Hurt
Ace - Reverse Flash
>New Gods
King - Darkseid
Queen - High Father
Jack - Orion
Ace - Mr. Miracle
>Supporting
King - Sidekicks
Queen - Love Interest
Jack - Parental Figure
Ace - Authority Figure
And then 3 Jokers
Alternatively
Suit 1 - Pre-Crisis
Suit 2 - Post-Crisis
Suit 3 - New 52
Suit 4 - Rebirth
>>82981622
>Suit 1 - Pre-Crisis
>Suit 2 - Post-Crisis
>Suit 3 - New 52
>Suit 4 - Rebirth
>>82979140
I think of the eras like different games that got reshuffled and dealt by the hands. Rounds as opposed to suits.
>>82975453
Would genuinely love for a screen cap of each the "elements" such as the grey and rot, for a long while I believed they were the same, both talking about the Parliament of decay. I'd also like to see reference to the clear and the metal, just so I don't have any further doubts pls anon.
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>>82981750
Screencaps? You're asking for several comics worth of material. Go read Soule's nu52 Swamp Thing run. It'll have mostly everything. The clear and other stuff mentioned was part of nu52 Earth 2 and Worlds End which I guess you can read but are terrible and best ignored.
>>82981841
Please, please do not read World's End. It is literally a version of the Anti-life equation
>>82976795
I don't agree with this.
>>82976666
The firestorm matrix is not the speed force. It's the big bang localized and contained. They are only similar as to the big bang is the beginning and end, and the speed force is the middle. The motion.
>>82981750
Swamp Thing Future's End covers the very basics for Divided/Rot/Metal/Grey/Green. The elemental parliaments are covered in the post-Crisis Mark Millar role of Swamp Thing
>>82981922
Instead of just saying it with a post that achieves less than nothing, how about you explain why you think so.
>>82981993
>We will never find out what happened to Pre-Flashpoint Firestorm and the Anti-Monitor
>>82981622
>Diamonds
Heroes
King-Superman
Queen-Wonder Woman
Jack-Batman
Ace-Flash
Or maybe we could try going with archetypes of heroes?
>Hearts
Supporting Cast
King-Legacy/Passed Mantle
Queen- Love Interest
Jack- Teen Titans
Ace- Authority Figure Looked up to
>Clubs
Villains
King-Luthor or Zod
Queen-Aries
Jack-Dr Hurt
Ace- Reverse Flash
Or maybe archetypes?
>Spades
New Gods
King-Darkseid
Queen- High Father
Jack-Orion
Ace-Mr Miracle
And 3 Jokers
First time dealt: Pre-Crisis
Second time dealt: Post-Crisis
etc.
The dealer's hand passing out the cards is the Hand of Creation.
The dealer's hand holding the deck is left empty after they're dealt is the Empty Hand.
After the cards are dealt the hand picks up the cards to reshuffle the cards around and play another world with the same sets and characters just rearranged.
I like this idea. Still could use some tweeks.
>>82976766
He's cool.
>>82982111
Hero Archtypes
King - The Superman
Queen - The Warrior? The Goddess?
Jack - The Dark Knight/Tragic Hero/Planner?
Ace - The Everyman?
Villain Archtype
King - Pride of Man
Queen - Bloodlust Warrior?
Jack - The Schemer?
Ace - The jealous
>>82981841
Dude I thought I had a basic grasp, and I trust u of all peep here on this thread, can u give me a list of the Parliaments and there Title, (like green, parliament of the trees), I know someone keeps saying some wiki BS, which is confusing the fuck outa me. Would be greatly appreciated
>>82982040
Geoff Johns stopped giving a fuck probably around the time they told him to reboot the DCU with FP and to write JL. Before then he was putting his selected people onto books like Firestorm (Clevinger) and Hawkman (Robinson) .
>>82982272
Alright, I'll give a basic rundown but I still say you should go read nu52 Swamp Thing. It's only about 40 issues.
>The Green
Is for plant life. Has the Parliament of Trees. The Parliament is made of former Avatars. Swamp Thing is the current Avatar.
>The Red
Is for animal life. Has the Parliament of Limbs. The Parliament is made of former Avatars as well. All the Parliaments are made of former Avatars basically. Animal Man's daughter was an Avatar and he was a temp one too. The situation got a bit messy with some problems.
>The Black
Is decay and dying and rotting. Also called The Rot. Has the Parliament of Decay, again made of former Avatars. Arcane is an Avatar at points and his daughter too.
>The Grey
Is for fungal life. The first Grey Avatar fucked off and abandoned his work for who knows how long so a Parliament of former Avatars never formed. The Avatar of the Grey dies in the run so maybe later.
>The Metal
Is for digital life. Also called The Rithm. This is the newest one, maybe. We see it come to existence in the run and them select their first Avatar. Kind of has a Parliament but different, more like some machine AIs collective that run things.
>The Divided
Is for bacteria. We see it only once in a now defunct future setting. We don't know anything else really.
>Parliament of Stories
We only briefly see this in the final issue. Stories, art and imagination is taking a life of its own so this was made. We know almost nothing of it.
Each of these are within one universe and not across the multiverse. So Earth 2 has its own take and is seen in Worlds End. It was shit from a shit event by someone who didn't know what they were doing so it isn't important cause like I said, they don't exist across other universes so the Earth 2 shitty ones are only relevant to Earth 2.
>>82982556
Then who are the Parliament of Waves, Flames, and Vapors mentioned earlier?
>>82982001
Sry, so my thoughts are, don't the lanterns power directly affect the universe, implying a much closer connection to the source. Whereas, for the Parliaments they may be universal but only apply where they can be found. If swamp thing found himself on a planet in the middle of dead space he'd be shit outa luck. If a lantern were in the same predicament he'd be better off especially with a ring charge because his powers are stretched much beyond the other. So yeah, they are similar in the way that they represent an aspect of creation, not the same however, and no where near related. The lanterns would be closer to the presence and the new gods, whereas I think the Parliaments would be akin-ish to the endless in being that they are physics of life where they can be. So that's my thinking, I just don't personally agree that they come hand in hand, but don't get me wrong I'm not saying the other idea is wrong, I'm just saying what I think.
>>82982669
they represent elemental components of nature. those others represent the kingdoms of life (and death with the rot)
>>82982556
Thank u based anon, I've been wanting to read swamp thing despite my comic store clerk telling me all new 52 is garbage without him even reading any of it. I thoroughly enjoyed lamires animal man interpretation and would love to give swamp thing a go if it's following more of the same physics and mythos.
>>82982669
Different universes or different continuities.
Remember Parliaments of other dimensions don't go out of their dimensions. Those listed are the main earth in current continuity.
>>82982743
You read his Animal Man without Swamp Thing? They very closely tie into each other, especially in Rotworld.
>>82982793
Yeah, this lady online sold me the entire run of animal man for like 30 bucks so I took it up, I had already been an animal fan b4 tho, I've read early swamp thing and loved it 2, its something about discovering and understanding the mythos that gives me the tingles
>>82982682
Yeah I agree completely. I don't think the corps and the parliaments are related at all really.
The lanterns draw their power from the entities, who soak up source energy by periodically returning there.
Whereas the parliaments are similar to the endless, as you said. They are a by-product or function of the universe.
Lanterns are definitely closer with their connection to the source.
Only time I can see them being linked is when a lantern instead draws power from themselves and the emotions of others around them.
They may be drawing from the same stuff as the parliaments, in a very rudimentary fashion.
>>82982841
please tell me you've read the sandman too? lucifer as well
>>82982884
Hell yeah u know it, I'm trying to buy them all again though 4 rereading porposes
>>82982884
That's actually how I've come to see the lanterns being close to the presence as well
>>82982757
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/parliament-of-waves/4060-55696/
So these guys don't exist anymore?
>>82982854
What I do find interesting though is the potential of these avatars being lanterns, imagine being connected to the green and using all of plant life's willpower, holy shit. I had a quote that I wanted to use just for added effect but I'm so high I forgot it, I'll try remembering it now tho,
>>82982900
Nice.
At some stage down the line, I'm gonna pick up the two volumes of this: http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9781401241889?redirected=true&selectCurrency=AUD&w=AF45AU96DTKQH4A8Z38U&gclid=CPjRsKzH6swCFYMrvQodvC0NvA
I've got digital copies, but I'd love to own it physical too.
>>82982990
Mogo needs to do a swamp thing team up.
Join their power to fight darkseid or something.
>>82982682
>>82982854
Yours and his thoughts don't necessarily conflict. Remember Swamp Thing had a white lantern ring and white lantern light fights the Rot.
You are right that Swamp Thing would be fucked on a dead planet because he is the physical life. Lanterns are more spiritual so they only get boned when that emotion or energy isn't available like running out of will power.
>They are a by-product or function of the universe.
Remember the entities that power the rings are by products of the universe too. When life first experienced will power the green entity Ion and light was created. When life first experienced plant forms The Parliaments/Green was created.
Lanterns are like soul and Parliaments are like body. Body and soul are indeed separate and I think that works with your thoughts that separate Swamp Thing and Green Lanterns.
>>82983000
God Yes, those hardcovers get me off, they seem like fucking trophy collection material, I saw a set on ebay that was auctioned and sold for like 45 bucks free shipping but I was fucking broke ;-;
>>82983031
shit man that sucks. would have killed for it
>>82983029
I think the difference comes from how their powers are accessed. While yes its true that at the base level, they both come from the source, the lanterns go through one less step to access their connection to the source.
>>82983123
Oh yeah. The main point was they started off at the same root, life itself, and then branched off taking two different paths, one taking the way of mind and the other taking the way of body. I think our two ways of looking at it don't conflict.
I do find your comment of how what I called the soul aspect of life (lanterns) being closer to the source than the body aspect very interesting.
Can you elaborate with more details?
>>82983029
I'm sorry, I just see it as the lanterns are the emotions of the body, the source. The only reason swamp thing became the white lantern is because it was the only avatar capable of symbolizing life on earth, where the blackest night and brightest dat were happening. The lanterns run out of energy when they are low on battery (duh lol) and when they lose the emotion to fuel the ring, (like when blue lanterns plummet) but as long as they can experience the emotion they can use the ring (charged of course) the avatars not so much, they rely on the power of the embodiment local to their host planet.
Ontop of when the emotions embodiments were created they were the constant across dimensions with little variation, the avatars and Parliaments vary depending on planet.
>>82983123
Actually I think the powers come from different things, the aspects of the avatar may be caused by the source but don't come from it, unlike the lanterns. The consistency of the source of there powers is the dead giveaway.
>>82983018 fuck yes!
>>82983059 so would I man, so would i,
And think of this
All of these are aspects of the same but different. But still the same lol
GOD of the covenant :entire being
The VOICE or The WORD, god: just the voice
The HAND OF god: the hand of God as a whole
The Presence: the mind of god and being near it
The source: the body of god, and it's emotional beings.
>>82983214
Well again, I don't see them as conflicting, I just don't see them in unison either, if you want a soul and body reference it would be lanterns soul and new gods body, they both derive there power from the source and the leftover energy from the life Equation (as much of it they can get there grubby god hands on)
>>82982268
>Villain Archtype
I think the Multiversity archetypes Grant used were:
Mastermind-King
Femme Fatale-Queen
I forgot Hellmachine-Jack
Psycho-Ace
Masses-1-10
>>82983236
To add to this,
Think of the life equations
(Life, anti life, death, anti death)
As prominent existing personalities of the source
>>82983274
this guy is not me
>>82983214
>I do find your comment of how what I called the soul aspect of life (lanterns) being closer to the source than the body aspect very interesting.
>Can you elaborate with more details?
Sure. When the Lanterns draw their power from the 'space whales', they are getting a pure, undiluted form of the source, delivered to them, affected only by their respective emotions.
Whereas the parliaments first have to wait for the source-energy to develop into a different form. Life.
>>82978221
I wouldn't be surprised if they replaced Flash with Cyborg just to do diversity for the sake of diversity and no other reason.
>>82983214
Just 2 add to my reasoning, and again, I'm not trying to rip on you, the source and emotions were made before the coming of any avatars or parliaments, it was Michael and Lucifer who created most of everything, hence all of them are getting fractions of what the lanterns, if any, they are mainly getting the power of what they embody,
Which all comes down to me thinking the are much closely related to the endless, u can consider them the spiritual compliment if you'd like anon, but not the lanterns in my own personal opinion
>>82983366
oh god I just threw up a little
>>82983384
This is me, I just put a handle on, hopefully so it can clarify who 2 respond 2.
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>>82982854
This is me. Threads getting confusing as to who is who
>>82983214
Sry, but just saying, mah elaboration would be in this
>>82983236
When I was listing the aspects of Yahwew, the lanterns derive their power from the core battery, to the entities, to the source,
>>82975453
>>82976555 (You)
>DC's inconic inspiration was Watchmen whose graphic was circles
>Marvel's was the widescreen comics of Ultimate, with big panels like rectangles
>Dr Manhatten is blue
>Ultimate Spiderman is Red
>Circles are cells, like an organism
>Squares are pixels like a machine.
>Circles are open, like the womb, dc is female red "bleed" Kismet is female
>Rectangles long and penetrative, Eternity is Male, Marvel multiverse has a Superflow of "white events"
>DC Multivetse is an atom, it is polar like circles
>Marvel Multiverse is a spectrum it is cartesian like sqaures
>Wave/Particle
Guys.
Guys.
>>82980165
>digital
That the same as metal or something else?
>>82983384
Yeah this is great.
> but not the lanterns in my own personal opinion
I kinda view it, from a personal perspective, that lanterns know that there is a higher power, they just don't worship it.
Just because they don't understand or worship it, doesn't mean they can't use its power.
>>82983501
I'd imagine metal is the physical stuff, like computer chips, while digital is the embodiment of electromagnetic radiation working in tandem with the metal.
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>>82983421
>>82983487
This is me , just for those of you who are as co fused as i
>>82983281
So King, Queen, and Jack act as foils to the Superman, WW, and Batman archetypes
King - Mastermind
Queen - Femme Fatale
Jack - Madhouse
>>82983490
>Its fertilizing an egg
>>82983583
I still don't like it, because the joker ties too close to the jack card too.
How/what is the difference? There's gotta be a way to make it fit.
>>82980324
No its the same green
Parliments are m u ltiversal
Earth 2 Grundy waa rot powered
>>82983515
I'm sorry, I'm a little confused as to what you mean. The lanterns know there power comes from the source, in fact, in some renditions they have been known to(as an entire corps) open a breach to the source. Idk how closely they know it's connected to God, but they should all believe in him as well, to an extent, (at least those who know hal jordan) cuz hal was the spectre, the mo fuckin hand of God lol.
The avatars call their power from the combined embodiment of whatever they are representing on there host planet, ( and the ONLY exception to this is if they had taken something akin to the god seed animal man took, allowing him access to all of the universes red <-- fucking awesome btw
Between the Oans, Dr Manhatten, the Reach and the Sheeda there is an ongoing subcurrent of Blue Men fucking with humanity and life in general.
>>82983611
>>82983583
Jack is like jack of all trades so maybe Gimmick villains like the Rogues or Riddler?
>>82983630
Hmmm, it won't show my handle anymore, anyways I'll just put this at the end just in case,
- GLKR
>>82983630
I thought Source and God were different things?
>>82983615
Parliaments are not multiversal, the name for the embodiment was the same and if the Parliaments of decay was mentioned it was a huge coincidence, they are planet based only, multiversal only in being everywhere they can be embodied locally
-GLKR
>>82983630
You said that
> u can consider them the spiritual compliment if you'd like anon, but not the lanterns in my own personal opinion
I was just giving a way that the lanterns could be considered spiritual.
I agree with what you're saying, mostly. I think it's just my shitty thoughts-paper skills.
>>82983692
see the last part of
>>82983236
The source is part of Him.
>>82983615
No parliaments aren't multiversal. Solomon Grundy was powered by the Grey in Earth 2 for the dead but Earth 0 Grey is for fungi.
>>82983692
They are, but they are the same, and they arent, they are aspects of one another, it's made more clear in vertigo comics.
Check out what I had put earlier>>82983236 at the bottom
>>82983400
Stop reading capeshit then, that'll solve that.
>>82983723
I meant that Earth 2 has a green because earth 2 has plants same with Grundy and getting poered by That earths Rot.
>>82983766
go away, you're obviously here just to start shit
>>82983775
>>82983747
To clarify Earth 2s grey is the analog to earth 0s rot.
Earths 2 green is analog to earth 0s green.
Im like 90% any universe with life will have parliments and any universe with emotion will have a spectrum.t
>>82983775
They both have a Green and a Rot, in the same sense that they both have a batman and a superman but The Green and Rot of the different Earths are separate and different things.
>>82983735
>>82983751
Lol mah Poozer haljor, u ontop of shit my friend :)
-GLKR
>>82983775
Oh then yeah, but they are seperate from other earth's, just the similar embodiment
Does anyone have the page where Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and I think Green Lantern's backstories were quickly framed? It believe it repeatedly asked "what's out there?" and came up with different answers for each character.
Hey u guys, I came upon something slightly worth reading, I thought this theory had some merits, and some flaws but I enjoyed it all the same, if you guys would like I'll post the link, and I'd love to hear what you thought of it good or bad, as long as your genuine and not being a dickass, it's about kyle rayner and the new 52?
-GLKR
>>82983898
Darkseid War started out so hype
>>82983964
Go for it man. Promise not to be a faggot.
>>82983964
I'll be a dickass a little bit because you asked not to. But only a little bit.
>>82983966
Thanks a lot anon
>>82983966
And dropped so quick
>>82975453
Relevent
I'm just gonna post my edited version, a lil smaller for the troubles.
Kyle Rayner (as Ion) is responsible for the DCU New 52 retcon, not Barry Allen.(at least not alone)
According to the Flashpoint comic event it was Barry Allen mucking around through time that caused the DCU to change into the new 52 universe. Time travel shenanigans shouldn't have been able to change the DCU on the scale that Flashpoint changed it. For starters if it were just time travel that changed reality then Bart Allen wouldn't have changed with it. Something very similar happened before where Extant tried to change reality by traveling back in time and saving someone's life who should have died. This changed the future and prevented the Justice League from ever forming, but because Bart Allen is a living time anomaly he stayed the same in both timelines.Bart Allen is immune to changes in the timestream, but the New 52 changed him along with everyone else.
Another hero who should have been constant across the timelines is Booster Gold. His whole job is to prevent reality from being messed with by time travelers. Additionallyhe was present in the Flashpoint universe and traveled back to the New 52 universe with all of his memories of the old timeline intact, but something unexplained caused him to lose his memories of the pre-New 52 universe.Again, this shows that it was more than a simple shift in the timeline that changed things.
That all explains why I think it wasn't Barry Allen (or at least Barry Allen alone) that caused the New 52 , but it doesn't explain why I think Kyle Rayner caused it. For that you need to look at the old timeline and the changes Kyle Rayner made in it even before the Flashpoint event:
Pt 1
Kyle is a unique Green Lantern. Up until him all of the lanterns were chosen based on their qualifications, and those qualifications were decided on by the Guardians (presumably) because they enabled them to more effectively wield their power rings. When Kyle was chosen to be a Green Lantern he wasn't even checked to see if he had any of those qualifications, he was just given the ring by Ganthet who then stated that Kyle "shall have to do."
Kyle was a unique Green Lantern with a unique ring. (His didn't have the weakness to yellow that all previous rings had.) With that ring he did things that no other lantern had done previously, such as creating sentient life during the Circle of Fire event. Without even being conscious of it Kyle created an entity powerful enough to defeat the Justice League and destroy entire civilizations. (Oblivion)No prior lantern had ever come even close to that level of power, not even Hal Jordan after taking on the full power of the Oan power battery.
Kyle was also unique because he was the last Green Lantern. The corp fell right before he became a lantern, andwe know because of the DC One Million event that the corp never returns. Kyle's is the only ring to survive into the 853rd century.
But, even before the New 52 event a few things changed in the timeline that remained consistent after the New 52 timeline shift, and they all have one traceable starting point: Kyle Rayner restarting the Green Lantern corp as Ion.
Pt 2
When he was Ion he was essentially omnipotent. He could be anywere in space and time (including multiple locations at the same time), anything he thought he could make happen, and he was easily the most powerful hero in the DC universe. ( he was on par if not stronger than the mofo spectre) And how did he get this powerful?He re-absorbed his own power that he used to create Oblivion mixed with the power of the Oan power battery Hal Jordan used to reignite the sun.He became omnipotent using a power ring and the power of the central power battery.My theory is that because Kyle used more than just willpower to power his ring he unlocked way more power from it than any"qualified" Green Lantern ever could before him.
Kyle was powerful enough as Ion to change reality, and he personally caused many changes to the old timeline that happenedbeforethe New 52 timeline that remained constant even afterwords, and they all happened when Kyle released the power of Ion from his conscious control with the intention of just using that power to restart the Green Lantern corps:
Pre-relighting the Oan power battery:
The Green Lantern corps ended with Kyle. Even when characters traveled to the future there was never a reborn corps.
Paralax was created purely from Hal Jordan absorbing the power of the Oan power battery.
There was only one type of Power Ring (Sinestro's yellow ring was a Green Lantern ring modified by the Weaponeers of Qward, not a separate corps powered by fear.)
But post Kyle relighting the power batteryandpost New 52:
The corps is reborn at full strength, with all the Guardians returned to life.
Paralax was created by a creature that previously didn't exist: Paralax, the embodiment of fear.
There are now9different lantern corps: Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet, Black, and White.
Pt3
The change in the corps being reborn shows that when Kyle released the power of Ion to rebuild the corps he changed reality in the present and future, and I believe he changed the past as well.Kyle as Ion was more powerful than the combined might of the Green Lantern corps, even including the power of all the Guardians. He wouldn't have used up all his power just reigniting the battery and bringing them back. Remember, Kyle is the first Green Lantern to feel fear, and he's the first lantern to use all his emotions to power the ring, not just pure willpower. Is it just a coincidence that after he uses his omnipotence to change reality and change the timeline that 8 new power ring corps rise up that are based on the entire emotional spectrum that Kyle used to become omnipotent? No,when Kyle reignited the Oan Power Battery his unleashed power changed reality to make a DCU where there are power rings based on the entire emotional spectrum, because the non-willpower based energy Kyle unleashed had nowhere to go.
Kyle changed the past, present, and future as Ion, and none of the time travelers or time anomalies in the DCU noticed it. He's the only character to have ever had the power to change the timeline that drastically.
I think the changes to the timeline were still setting, and after the War of Light unleashed the full power of all the different power ring corps the DCU was unstable. When Barry Allen changed the timeline it all went predictably, it was only when he set the timeline right that things went strange.This is because the timeline reset itself to better integrate the changes Kyle accidentally forced on it when he released the full power of Ion.
Pt idk anymore
Look at the New 52 universe. A lot has changed in the DCU, but far and away the least changed aspect of the universe is the 9 power ring corps. They all stayed mostly in line with how Kyle changed them to be before the New 52 timeline reset occured. Additionally, Kyle is now the White Lantern who is again unique in thatKyle is the only one who can control the power of all of the different power ring corpsbecause he was the one to bring them to existence in the first place.
Again, I found this fun to read cuz kyle is my home dog no matter what people think of him, idc if you don't like it, just have fun with it or not.
>>82984011
Heh, I did kinda ask for it by asking for the opposite.
Last part, tell me what you think when done
-GLKR
>>82983611
The Madhouse can be seen more as Arkham/Rogues, while Joker is the wild card
>>82984217
The nu52 thing is about to explained in Rebirth as being caused byDr Manhattan
One theory about how DC One Million might not be the future but another dimension for All Star Superman doesn't match but might be a problem if you were just using that as one example of many.
The Hal Jordan Lied theory conflicts more and believes Hal created the entities Ion, Paralax etc in Zero Hour.
But these are just alternate theories. Yours doesn't prove them wrong nor they yours.
>>82984319
I know, I just thought it was share wortht, can you tell me more about this Dr Manhattan thing u speak of, I haven't heard this, and if I have I forgot.
>>82984143
>>82984160
>>82984183
>>82984203
>>82984217
So basically Kyle altered time/reality to fit the Pre-New 52 DC, but these extra concepts he made didn't fit into that version of the universe.
So when Barry tampered with time in Flashpoint, this set the universe in the right conditions to a change. To reforge itself and make room for these new ideas and powers that had nowhere to go in the old universe.
It's a great concept. Thought provoking for sure.
Once rebirth hits shelves in a few days, you should see if your theory still works.
>>82984359
Probably not, but that's what I was going for, thought provoking, people don't like kyle being a special snowflake but fail to realize in all ways, each human gl is a special snowflake and I live all of them for that.
>>82984352
Hasn't come out yet. That's why I spoiled it. Wednesday Rebirth starts. The story got leaked.Pandora gets killed, pre-Flashpoint Wally returns and reveals Dr Manhattan not Barry caused the nu52
>Kyle rebooted the universe to cuck Hal
>>82984319
Now is Dr manhatty, gunna be in this dc rebirth special next week, or is it gunna be that weird captain atom supes? Also wtf, again, can u help my brain cope with how dr.m could've done this if u know?
>>82984379
Lol,
>>82984376
>each human gl is a special snowflake and I live all of them for that.
mvpthough simon fags are still shit
>>82984391
It's apparently actual real doc manhattan.
So the rumours go that he has 'cut' 10 years out of Pre New 52 DC, which he then either uses the 10 years or the gap in those 10 years as a template to make the New 52.
So far, this still fits with your theory. Just substitute Barry Allen fucking with time for Doctor Manhatten taking a chainsaw to it.
>>82984391
Legit manhat. Leaked image even shows Batman looking at the bloody smiley face pin.
The how so far explained is he "stole ten years of their time"
But the meta is Watchman is responsible for the modern state of comics.
>>82984441
Oh shit, bot those responses were 2 me, so
To the first, lol, I forgot simon, your right, his snowflake is yellow and melting.
And the other, shit I didn't think it could still hold up, I'd love to see it remain a theory and not get debunked, gives me those lil butterflies of "understanding what wasn't shown"
>>82984248
>Clubs
King-Mastermind
Queen-Femme Fatale
Jack-Madhouse/Theme Villains
Ace-Brute
1-10-Swarm/Masses of enemies
I think it matches well to a Diamonds suit for heroes
King-The Superman/Overman
Queen-Goddess
Jack-Skilled Hero
Ace-The Everyman
>>82984501
> his snowflake is yellow and melting.
I am dead. Sides have breached the source wall.
>
And the other, shit I didn't think it could still hold up, I'd love to see it remain a theory and not get debunked, gives me those lil butterflies of "understanding what wasn't shown"
Haha. Hope so.
I'm super excited for rebirth, man.
>>82984526
I'm just going to try and consolodate things from earlier into one post. Using just archetypes instead of characters. Except for New Gods cause they are archetypes
>Diamonds
Heroes
King-The Superman
Queen-Goddess
Jack-Skilled/Jack of all Trades
Ace-The Everyman
>Hearts
Supporting Cast
King-Legacy/Passed Mantle
Queen- Love Interest
Jack- Young Protegie/Teen Titans
Ace- Authority Figure Looked up to
>Clubs
Villains
King-Mastermind
Queen-Femme Fatale
Jack-Themed Villains
Ace-Brute
>Spades
New Gods
King-Darkseid
Queen- High Father
Jack-Orion
Ace-Mr Miracle
And 3 Jokers/Wildcards
First time dealt: Pre-Crisis
Second time dealt: Post-Crisis
etc.
The dealer's hand passing out the cards is the Hand of Creation.
The dealer's hand holding the deck is left empty after they're dealt is the Empty Hand.
After the cards are dealt the hand picks up the cards to reshuffle the cards around and play another world with the same sets and characters just rearranged.
Did I get everything?
>>82984554
Me 2, wanna know the sad part though, is that, for the first number 1s of all new rebirth comics, all the comics are returnable. DC assumes they might take a hit. And not returnable by the customers, I mean, they have a deal with the shops so that they can return the comics if they do bad so they don't lose money. I hope to god they do good, or even remotely good. My comic book shop got hit bad with convergence and didn't get anymore of the issues at all after issue 1. They gave up on it, and yeah convergence was kinda bad but I enjoyed it as a comic, I just hope they don't make it difficult for me to get my full of rebirth. This is all from 3 comic store clerks who have told me generally the same thing abkut the returnability
>>82984454
>"stole ten years of their time"
He just had to one up Ozy's 30 minutes.
>>82984628
Hehe,
>>82984554
I like the pic u added, it adds to the joke simon trying to fit in, but him crying in the bacground, fucking great.
>>82984623
Guess we just have to hope it's good.
>>82983966
>curiosity
>curiosity
>curiosity
>curiosity
>I AM THE VENGEANCE, I AM THE NIGHT!
>>82984441
>simon fags
What Simonfags?
>>82984738
well...i mean..there's gotta be at least one, right?
>>82984700
Let's hope better than this fuck yeah?
>>82984767
Everyone who doesn't care he uses a gun? Doesn't even try to get his ring working just has this ^human af backup
>>82984777
> that image
>>82984376
>liking John Stewart
>>82984814
Hey, I like him to a default, he's not my tops, but I don't hate the guy. Shit, his are the only constructs that are never hollow, which is serious effort, limiting af but serious effort nonetheless. Anyways how can u not like the black jesus of another planet, what are you... racist or something,?
>>82984803
Heh, had 2 specifically look 4 it. I thought it would best be used then
If you were looked straight in the face by killowog, and he offered u a power ring for mutual benefit in the form of a bj and a hj (order is your choice) and he had taken the alien equivalent of viagra and has his ring on. U also wouldn't be bound by the corps, your on ring, would u do it?
>>82984895
Absolutely disgusting.But yes. Without a second thought.
>>82984953
You sick fucksame here anon, same here, but It doesn't mean I like bananas on my pancakes or sprinkles on my ice cream if ya nah mean
>>82984600
Pretty cool.
>>82981755
Which cards are in a Dead Man's Hand?
>>82984999
>Which cards are in a Dead Man's Hand?
Black aces and eights, with a fifth unknown card.
Not sure why joker has a red eight of diamonds there, but oh well.
Old western story that says "Wild Bill" Hickok died with that hand out.
>>82984953
Hey what's all this talk about cards and hands, I'm pretty sure I'm missing something big but it all just seems so confused teddy and I haven't seen the source just comments on it.
>>82985094How many cards in a deck?
>>82985094
Fifty two cards in a deck + 3 jokers.
DC loves the number 52 and they've just spoiled that there are somehow three jokers involved with rebirth.
Like all good hypercrisis threads, we stretch things to the limit of absurdity, then a bit more, just to make our bullshit ideas make sense.I love every bit of it.
Pic unrelated, but still awesome.
>>82985050
Oh so can't really correlate the hand to a set of archetypes.
I do like how a royal flush can make a Justice League or a Legion of Doom.
>>82975453
>The Dream
It's the fucking DreamING. Triggers my beyond the source wall
>>82975453
You know normaly I think dc has to much of a boner for there multiverse stuff but it might be interesting to read a book that you knew from the start was just about that shit.
I have some other stuff to get through first but after that I will check this multiversity out.
>>82985149
DC and there lil schticks,, anyhow, have u read Omega Men, haljor? The new iteration with kyle rayner as the omega lantern? If so what do you think of it?
>>82975453
Wait are you telling me that the dream realm in current dc is shared by the difrent universes instead of each universe getting its own.
That's fucking retarded
Still considering how much mystic dc I read I'm surprised I dident know that I don't care that much about the non magical aspects of multiverse stuff and I don't mind some magical realms being shared but dream really should stay inside or connected to a single universe.
Thinking about it further it seems like a messy attempt to move all the magical shit outside so that each universe only has 1 plane.
>>82985397
I think it's awesome. I've never been the biggest kyle fan ever, but the series really did make me like him a lot more.
Unique run for sure.
I'd love to pick up a collected hardcover if it's ever made.
>>82985284
>>82985453
It annoys me too, but then again, I also use the Sandman model of the DC universe that it's all stories and they're all equally valid so long as someone benefits from them. The Morrison multiverse works fine as a creation myth for a universe where superheroes dominate and ordinary people aren't important, because its a universe for the benefit of superhero fans.
Is Batman '66 in the multiverse? I just want a story where he meets some other Batmen.
>>82978420
I don't like the idea of all magic having a single source I was released as fuck whenthe books of magic turned out to be little more then portals
>>82985502
Hm Sandman I do need to get round to reading that.
>>82985594
You really should, man.
It's one of a kind. Read lucifer, too.
>>82985540
*I was releaved as fuck
>>82985602hey man i think you can turn off the namefag now
>>82985640
Why? Annoying you?I completely forgot about it.
>>82985480
Dang, I think it's meh, the writing is exquisite, but I'm kinda upset that they took some liberties with Kyle's character that are prob gunna get picked up in rebirth if he isn't killed off;-; I'm not racist, but I hate how the creator says "people forget kyle is a man of color" or something, but just because it's in his background doesn't mean he shows the physical traits, he is primarily white from his mother's Irish side, in fact he comments on how he is a white boy sometimes, and a lil, A LIL, hispanic from his paps. That's 1 small thing. Another is, he is blatantly religious, (which, yeah, in his world, makes sense cuz god exists and he's met the spectre) but he was never, and I say never, a character who would pray in Spanish or in English, or had religious affects. Another thing is, doesn't he have a white lantern corps that should be looking for him, and can't carol spear point his exact location with her ring? The last thing, which deep down, I knew wouldn't last, was I liked how he was with carol, he got over her so fast for his "prisonmate" . All in all Idc about his costume or if he stays an omega lantern, I'm just upset about the small things the writer has changed that are going to seriously throw a wrench in his future stories if he gets picked up. Tell me what you think, I'd love for someone to talk me out of these thoughts cuz I'd love to enjoy 100% this new kyle rayner and omega men comic (both of which I l0ve), but idk bro, help me.
-GLKROL
>>82985602
Nah, leave your name on, I like knowing that the conversation is progressing with the same person +others.
>>82985594
It's really very good. The whole thing is one of my favourite stories about the power of stories, and the characterisation and sheer... humanity, I suppose, of a lot of the characters is amazing. A lot of the individual stories are among my favourite comics ever.
Lucifer is related, but somewhat different. I'm not sure I like it more (there's a scene in Lucifer that's also in Sandman, and I do like the original better), but its also well worth reading.
>>82985665Lol, I have this, idk if it's one of the times he mentioned his race 4 real or if it's an edited image
>>82985602
It's from the guy who did the books of magic 4 issue series right I liked that I shall check it out.
I'm reading Watchmen tonight I will read Sandman tomorow.
>>82984600
>Queen-Goddess
I think Queen as the Magic Hero works nicely than just "the wonder woman"
>>82985708
Auctualy I will read the first issue of each and decide which to read first.
>>82985665
I've been reading comics for so long I've kinda accepted that characters and their personalities change over time.
Not even like flashpoint or COIE or anything, but just the experiences a character like Kyle goes through will change a person. He is still just human.
Though I'd put money toward him changing back to how he was pre omega men, maybe even pre new 52, once rebirth has been in print for a while.
>>82985680
k
>>82985759
True, and I hope soPS, my masterpiece
>>82985867
kek
>>82985720
>Diamonds
Heroes
King-The Superman
Queen-Magic Hero
Jack-Skilled/Jack of all Trades
Ace-The Everyman
>Hearts
Supporting Cast
King-Legacy/Passed Mantle
Queen- Love Interest
Jack- Young Protegie/Teen Titans
Ace- Authority Figure Looked up to
>Clubs
Villains
King-Mastermind
Queen-Femme Fatale
Jack-Themed Villains
Ace-Brute
2-10-The Swarm/Masses/Waves of Enemies
>Spades
New Gods
King-Darkseid
Queen- High Father
Jack-Orion
Ace-Mr Miracle
And 3 Jokers/Wildcards
First time dealt: Pre-Crisis
Second time dealt: Post-Crisis
etc.
The dealer's hand passing out the cards is the Hand of Creation.
The dealer's hand holding the deck is left empty after they're dealt is the Empty Hand.
After the cards are dealt the hand picks up the cards to reshuffle the cards around and play another world with the same sets and characters just rearranged.
>>82985880
I take it haljor is your tops GL? Which iteration of him did you like the most? If possible post a pic of your fave, ( I would say add costume to your consideration, but idk if haljor has gone through many costume changes)
U should read this u guys. I enjoyed it.
>dc cosmology thread
>turns into lanternfags putting on ids and names to circle jerk their favorite character
This is why people hate kylefags, johnfags and halfags all.
>>82985905
>I take it haljor is your tops GL?
Yeah. Favourite Superhero entirely. Followed by superman and spiderman.
Hal > Guy = Kyle > John
> Which iteration of him did you like the most?
I don't mind what Johns has done with him over the past 11 or so years since his rebirth, in fact I'd probably say it's my favourite version of Hal overall. But I do love the really early silver age Hal books too..and some of his pre rayner years (like 1980-90) stuff was not completely terrible.
I like my Hal to have a simple costume. Alex ross does it well.Though I do have a soft spot for the grey hair and parallax costume too.
>>82986000
Despite the fact that the 'lanternfags' were the only ones talking about the cosmology stuff in the first place.
Stay shit.
>>82985755
Well Watchmen was pretty good the themes and whatnot weren't beaten over your head but they were still clear and easy to pick up on.
I think I will go with Sandman though I haven't read it yet but I don't want to get to finish Watchmen 11 and have to go to bed before I finish the final issue sandman's long enough I know I won't be able to read it in 1 sitting anyway
>>82986065
>sandman's long enough I know I won't be able to read it in 1 sitting anyway
yeah it takes a long time to get through. Not just length wise, but there were a few moments in reading where I just had to stop and think.
>>82986000
Haha, we contributed to the thread and decided to take it elsewhere on a related tangent nignog, the lanterns have heavy shit in the backbone of the dcu... PS, if I'm a fag. Your a cock guzzling homophobic queen who's taste is so shit from sucking ass all day. :) u got me riled with your bait, now let's see if you want to waste more of your life trolling to people who could literally not care less. And by the way I'm not a specific lanterns fag. I am a GL FAG in total.
>>82986065
Hm cover of Sandman 1 reminds me of a hellblazer cover.
>>82986099
>PS, if I'm a fag. Your a cock guzzling homophobic queen who's taste is so shit from sucking ass all day
>>82986045
>Despite the fact that the 'lanternfags' were the only ones talking about the cosmology stuff in the first place.
he said ignoring the swamp thing, watchmen, autism cards thing and sandman discussion.
did i sour your circle circle namefag?
>>82986099
>:) u got me riled
nice shitposting real quality you brought to the thread
>>82986079
Damn, I agree completely, there was this one time a dimension was talking about how it wasn't a size matter but a matter of perspective on how powerful he was or something like that as qualifications to enter the endless' gathering council, and I had to ponder that shit into diamonds.
>>82986106
Interestingly sandman's not available on comiXology brought it from Google play instead.
>>82986120
>he said ignoring the swamp thing, watchmen, autism cards thing and sandman discussion.
nigga that is us
>>82986120
> quality 2 thread
Literally all your doing. Do you have any questions for the big kids lil boy? Other than how to get your head outa your ass?
Here's a vaguely related piece of trivia.
In Sandman issues 51-56, a 'reality storm' takes place, forcing some people to hide from it in a magical inn located outside reality.
This storm was created by Hal Jordan messing with the universe in Zero Hour.
>>82986065
There are a bunch of independent sandman comics u can read that aren't quite pertinent to the main story but offer a lot story and art wise, I'd suggest reading those first if your trying to decide which to prioritize reading and getting anon.
>>82986155
Holy shit. We're they staying at the Oblivion or some other transdimmensional casa
>>82986131
bitch i know half those posts were mine
>>82986142
get recked
you buttravaged i ruined your circle jerk?
>>82986155
Ignore the typos, I'm high, tired, and enthralled.
>>82986174
>>82986181
Haha, if they were, they were the posts that contributed nothing. Why are u so upset right now btw, ur the one who tried starting this, yah poozer
>>82986195
so you admit half the lantern posts contributed nothing? good to know you can admit lanernfags contributed nothing to the thread
>>82986174
It's called the 'Worlds End' Inn. One of four, I recall.
Sits outside reality and time, so people from across different time periods can end up there.
It's unaffected by alterations to time.
Another sandman book, a spinoff called "endless nights" had the most amazing GL connections in it. Even dabbles a bit with the real origin of Superman. I won't spoil it, but its so worth the read.
>>82986214
lol why is this guy so anal blasted? God forbid people actually have a conversation on a message board.
Topics of conversation change, you fucknugget, and ours isn't even that unrelated.
>>82976978
Marvel isn't really invested in it, so their fans aren't. It's a shame, really. The Marvel Omniverse has so much potential, but Ewing is doing his best to build up something.
>>82986129
This is really good so far even with my family arguing over stupid shit in the background
>>82986251
Thank fuck they finally left this is something I want to be able to give my full attention.
Not sure where the fuck he managed to find an angels feather.
>>82986225
>Another sandman book, a spinoff called "endless nights" had the most amazing GL connections in it. Even dabbles a bit with the real origin of Superman. I won't spoil it, but its so worth the read.
It's been years since I read Sandman and don't remember what you're referring to. Can you post it in spoilers?
>>82986225
>lol why is this guy so anal blasted?I told you when you posted your kyle nu52 theory i'd be a dickass for a little bityou forget? kek but whatever i had my fun i'll stop
>>82986214such a buthurt FAG, lol go get in your jamjams, it's time for me to fuck yo mam
>>82986276
I remember that, it was me. Not haljor, anyways, I thought being a dickass meant spicy comments about the theory not telling the thread hours later?
>>82986225
>>82986276
Ending the lovely shenanigans between us all, endless nights was the one I was talking about with the dimensional character getting upset that he was called to small to perceive. I loved it, it was a good one,Rao you scum dog, Dream hate you long time, forever, long time
>>82986293your theory was good
