ITT: Bullshit
I thought it fit into stevens character very well,also it was nice to see that peridot genuinly cares about steven
>>82817651
Fuck is that?
>>82817723
lazy writing
>>82817729
Why?
>>82817729
I see.
>>82817651
>>82817744
>>82817745
spend episodes building up how much of a world threat this thing is.
It literally only took 1 conversation to disable it
>>82817813
I hear ya
>>82817651
Fuck you, i liked it.
>>82817651
The partially conscious nature of fractured Gems has been established.
The fact that bubbling can prevent Gems from forming a body has been established for a long time.
Steven's telepathic powers have been shown.
And, most importantly, we know about Steven's "let's talk it out instead of fighting" personality. That's his MO. It's been a major part of his character forever. Peridot, Centipeetle, Lapis, On the Run, etc. You should have known that he'd do something like this ever since the nature of the Cluster was mentioned. They foreshadowed it in that episode with the forced fusions that he wanted to help.
What happened in that episode was the obvious path for this show. It shouldn't be a surprise.
>>82817813
You know it's all a misdirect, right?
We all know it's being built up so it can be a credible threatTo Yellow Diamond when she invades
>>82817684
"every problem can be solved by talking things through"
It's starting to get a little painful with the cringe.
>>82817854
You have to be 18 or older to post on this site
>>82817651
They could have gotten away with it if their dialogue was better.
>>82817747
Nope. No way to get past that, thats just flawed as a concept.
>>82817651
I agree OP, I'm mad they didn'tserenadethe Pop Rocks, too.
Can someone explain what actually happened? I follow the story but havent had a chance to catch the latest ep and wont for a few days, so spoil me plz.
>>82817651
What? Did you expect them to kill that thing?
Like how are else were they supposed to stop it?
>>82818077
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Watermelon_Island
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Gem_Drill
>>82818099
>What? Did you expect them to kill that thing?
Yes actually
that's what they built up.
>>82817651
If this were a season finale I would be calling bullshit too, but this is just the beginning, and bubbling is a very volatile solution. They have a time bomb and disabled the timer, but they are still stuck with the bomb.
>>82817747
Holy shit that was the most retarded thing I had ever seen on a tv show period. That fucking season shifted my whole perspective on the quality of cartoons in general. Fuck that shit.
>>82818099
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqS0FH5ZSM
>Connie, Peridot, and Steven reaches the cluster
>Countless gem zombies emerge
>menacing music
>It's up to stevonnie to defend the drill
>The fight off the best they could
>They're too outnumbered
>Drill gets slowly ripped to shreds
>Drill is on it's last stand
>suddenly the gems teleport via lion
>Drill destroys or shuts down cluster
I was hoping it would be like vid related
>>82817651
I liked it. Steven's whole thing has always been talking down enemies and trying to befriend people.
It also means there's still a terrifying planet-destroying superweapon in the middle of the world, giving the Diamond Authority a reason to keep caring about the earth. Shit is way more intense than if Peridot's coathanger abortion had worked.
>>82818259
>I was hoping it would be like vid related
real life aint no video game, anon...
>>82818335
>real life
...what?
It was a bit of a cop-out, yeah. Not awful, but disappointing. It felt contrived, more than anything.
I don't mind it when a show has a strong anti-violence ethos and an idealistic streak, and I think that having characters hold to their philosophy in the face of destruction is admirable. It shows strength of character.
It's just that having the universe then bend over backwards to make them right and ensure they don't suffer any consequences for holding to their beliefs kind of robs it of its impact. Talking can't solve every problem, much as we might wish otherwise. When you can solve a problem without violence, you should, sure, but it's an unfortunate fact that it just doesn't always work that way, but choosing to at least try to talk even when diplomacy seems impossible is all the more powerful because it doesn't always work and there might be consequences, IMO.
Having the narrative enforce the idea that it's always a viable solution is just, I don't know, kind of lazy. It means that the characters don't have to make any genuine hard choices, and that the whole trying to talk it out doesn't mean anything, because doing the 'right' thing will always work out. It's a kids show, though, so it's not unexpected, but I kind of thought that it was going for 'a show aimed at children' rather than 'a childish show'.
I'd have preferred for Steven to try to talk it out, and have some success convincing the Cluster, but ultimately the Cluster would be unable to prevent itself from starting to form, and Peridot would destroy it. And then Steven would cry, because it was a victim in all of this but still had to be destroyed. Then again, that might still happen. It's not like its going to stay contained for long.
I'm not sure how much of this ramble made sense, but I was just generally dissatisfied with the conclusion, though I'm kind of reserving judgement because this arc isn't over and the Cluster is still present and likely to be a plot point.
>>82818524
I still expected more of a conflict before the resolve. Something like >>82818259
pointed where the cluster would fragment thanks to the drill and they would have to fight the segments and shards still before steven manages to reach a pacific solution, it's not that what they did is fully wrong but it was a bit of a letdown.
>Big doombringer world destroying monster
>alluded as a threat for dozens of episodes
>seems like the entire series is building to the climatic finale with this thing
Literally put on a bus In 5 minutes.
Who'd have thought the cluster would job for Steven.
>>82818604
C'mon, Anon! First the cluster, next the corrupted gems! There was good setup here!
Soon, Steven will wage war against the Diamonds,but only after he's made them ridiculously angry.
>>82818524
I get what you're saying but there's still a chance for things to turn out much differently, especially in regards to Jasper, Homeworld or even Lapis.
I'm definitely hoping we get a character that shows Steven that alas, you can't befriend everyone.
>>82818335
>real life
steven universe is a show about alien rocks saving the world nigga wheres the real life aspects in that
>>82818935
when the meteor hit the dinosaurs that technically allowed us to evolve
>>82817723
The Cluster, bubbled.
>>82817729
How would you have written it, mr.Shakespeare?
>>82817854
Again: what were his options?
>>82818077
Steven managed to communicate with the souls in the Cluster, convinced them not to form, and instead they ended up bubbling each other (apparently they learned it from him) until the whole Cluster was in a bubble, solving the problem... for now.
>>82818136
How the fuck were they supposed to kill it?
>>82818604
>seems like the entire series is building to the climatic finale with this thing
Still does. It wasn't fixed. Just put on hold.
Yellow Diamond wants the world destroyed and the Cluster is still her best bet.
IMO this was the best way they could have done it; there's still the ambiguity of what will happen next, since the Cluster has only been briefly contained.
It's like you never played a high speech, high charisma character in any RPG ever OP
>>82819166
Why do you need charisma when you can roll intimidation?
>>82817651
reminder that the ending was literally ripped outta Gundam 00 almost scene for scene
>>82817651
>OH MAN YOU GUYS THE CLUSTER IS A HUGE AND SERIOUS THREAT
>LETS BUILD UP SEVERAL EPISODES TO HOW SERIOUS THIS SHIT IS
>HOLY FUCK WE CANT STRESS HOW SERIOUS THIS WORLD ENDING THREAT IT JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS
>and then its solved in a few minutes with no downsides or anything bad happening and the day is saved
>>82817813
As opposed to just drilling through it as planned?
>>82819197
It's either this, which still leaves room for the cluster emerging in the future via Homeworld efforts, or destroying it for good and resolving it right away. It's better that this plotline doesn't consume the show.
>>82819188
What kind of system are you using where intimidation isn't a subset of the speech skill
![Steven.Universe.S03E01E02.Super.Watermelon.Island.Gem.Drill.720p.HDTV.x264-MADRiD.mkv_snapshot_21.15_[2016.05.13_04.58.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2Nx4EMX.jpg "Steven.Universe.S03E01E02.Super.Watermelon.Island.Gem.Drill.720p.HDTV.x264-MADRiD.mkv_snapshot_21.15_[2016.05.13_04.58.31].jpg")
>>82819194
pics for comparison
http://apsalusiv.tumblr.com/post/144289617501/this-guy-or-girl-knows-what-im-talkin-about
>>82817684
>>82817841
>>82818320
>>82819142
I agree with these
>>82817747
This on the other hand...
It looked pretty nice I suppose, but everything else about it was shit. Especially when Jinora showed up. Thank god S3 was pretty great
I didn't see a problem with it.
Compare it to the last airbender, the avatar knew he would have to resort to violence but refused to.
Meanwhile Steven accepted violence as the only choice ( the drill). He only tried talking to the shard as a last ditch attempt.
So yeah, same twist but the ethos is different.
>>82819212
The pathfinder one?
>The DC of this check is equal to 10 + the target’s Hit Dice + the target’s Wisdom modifier.
While intimidate is charisma based is not fully dependent of it, which makes sense since the more charisma you have the more of a cool guy you seem as opposed to an asshole that can curse left and right.
>>82819194
>a anime reference/rip off in Steven Universe
WOW
NO FUCKING WAY
Holy fucking shit you fags, it's not like they don't solve the problem of the numerous monsters attacking every day by beating the shit out of them, and it's not like they didn't solve Lapis by talking to the clones, and I don't remember the scene where Steven talked Jasper into being friends with them, nor when Garnet talked the gem shards that attacked them into submission.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with this, and it's not even like it's permanent or anything.
Communicating with the cluster should've gotten its own episode.
They could've expanded upon Steven's mental interaction by having him get forcibly dragged into the flashbacks of the war or perhaps even sights of the homeworld. They could've had the gem resonation trigger a mental projection of Rose to help guide him to the right decision.
Basically there was nothing with the Cluater getting bubbled, but there was so much more that could've been done with it.
>>82819263
>Copy pasting a major plotline from a show is the same as referencing said show
I don't mind because I'm still enjoying the ride. but I still want to point it out.
>>82819194
i honestly think this is coincidence. it's too vague
>>82819238
With ATLA it felt more contrived though, Yes Aang is as much of a passive peacemaker as Steven is, however the whole lionturtle solution thing was out of nowhere. With Steven it was already established in different episodes that he has some psychic dream abilities and so forth. Didn't stop me from enjoying the ATLA finale, but it was far from perfect.
And with Gem Drill I'm having a hard time seeing anything really wrong about this solution. I suppose it's not as thrilling compared to imagining Peridot and Steven brawl with mutants, but this solution felt more in tune with the showAlso I do think we'll get quite the fights later on in the show, once Homeworld really makes Earth a priority again
>>82818604
>Dozens
Eight episodes.
Most of which were just Peridot's character arc.
The hiatuses are really messing with the sense of scale. The Cluster was the background for a mini-arc to defeat into Homeworld invading. Even beyond that, dealing with a threat like that physically in ten minutes would be a huge fucking anticlimax and remove the credibility of Homeworld as a threat.
>complaining about this
>not the super shitty way of getting rid of Jasper so we can have numerous of episode about Lapis making friends with everyone
>>82819416
This.
May as well have just held up a title card, "Jasper exits stage left"
>>82819346
Even for people who marathoned the show it seems flaccid as fuck though.
>>82819416
Actually the whole jasper and lapiz falling unconscious deal felt off character based on the show's lore. they should've have poofed back into gems.
>>82819337
Even if it wasn't intentional, it's still a pretty crazy coincidence.
Also I'm pretty sure MSG is the pioneer of representing mental communication as floating around in a void.
>>82819497
Astro Boy beat it to the punch.
>>82819467
No they don't. So far we've seen that whenever a fusion falls apart they don't poof back into gems. Sugilite for example, falls apart because of the damage she received (from her own hit). She reverts back to Garnet and Amethyst without the two of them being poofed. However they were completely exhausted and were having trouble with moving around for a bit.
>>82819511
I haven't read Astro Boy yet but your probably right.
Plus Tomino did work under Tezuka for a while.
I guess I should rephrase it to "the most well known' instead of pioneer.
>>82819467
Except not, because when Pearl defeated Sugilite instead being rendered back into their gem state Garnet and Amethyst simply unfused while experiencing great pain.
>>82819560
>The most well known
Try again.
>>82819416
What can I say anon, she slipped
>WHOOPS!
>>82819517
See the thing is they had a bit of energy left to keep consious and they unfused as opposed to get poofed, malachite on the other had took an arrow to the gut went poof and both jasper and lapis were knocked out because of it. the only other example of this i have is the destabilizer that also made ruby and sapphire go poof instead of unconscious.
I still don't think it's over, Jasper fell down into the center of the earth. I think she's gonna try to fuse with the cluster after learning how useful fusion is and since they're only fragments she wouldn't have to worry about them overpowering her like Lapis.
>>82819592
>pleb and proud
>>82819606
>This example is the more well known than Gundam.
>UR A PLEB!
No need to resort to personal attacks just because you're wrong, anon.
>A threat that's consistently said to only do ONE thing if it's released which is destroy the world
>People actually expected something different to happen
Steven passing out into the sea of tortured souls and fighting to keep them calm is literally the best path this story could have taken. People itt are hells of understating what happened.
>>82819592
If this ended like NGE everyone on earth would have become one with the cluster and Steven would have choked out Peridot in front of a giant naked Alexandrite.
>>82819629
Steven has slightly better social skills than Shinji.
>>82819128
>How would you have written it, mr.Shakespeare?
I dunno cunt but anything is better than: "steven has a deus ex machina power to communicate to the cluster and all he does is tell those broken, confused, tortured soul to talk to themselves"
>>82819605
I hope for some sexy body horror Jasper
>>82819621
>more well known
Maybe by people like you. Don't lower the entire world, especially Japan, to your level.
Also Madoka would be the right answer if we are counting popularity
>>82817927
>talks shit about my show, must be underaged
>>82819665
Man I like Madoka but Eva's like a cultural touchstone in Japan, practically everyone there's seen it. It was huge overseas too, I think the only place that Madoka might be more popular than Eva is in the States, but even here I feel like Eva might have a leg-up on Madoka solely due to age.
>>82818524
I mostly agree with you, but this is really shaping up to be the kind of show where the pacifist method works in the long run. I think there was a tweet awhile back from Sugar or someone else on the staff who said "there aren't any evil characters, just misunderstandings", or something to that effect.
I wouldn't be surprised if they dealt with Jasper and YD by talking them down or something
>>82819665
NGE is bigger in Japan than Gundam 00, don't even fucking pretend it isn't. NGE is huge and 00 was popular, but not high profile fashion designers designing clothing lines for it's anniversary and people making semen flavored drinks referencing it popular.
>>82819695
Madoka's relevance has already started to fade, it was a flash in the pan.
>>82817747
>Defeats biggest bad of all-time with Care Bear Stare.
How has this not been posted yet?
Guess I was good for soething le epic feelz
> 2 mins later
PSYCH GOT MY MEMORY BACK WOO HOO.
>>82818737
Steven's mere existence mocks the power of the Great Diamond Authority.
>>82819778
he wasn't even brain dead or vegetative or anything like that, he just lost his memories and was a blank slate. How was that not good enough for a bitter sweet ending that leads to two brothers starting over their troubled relation
nope, have the fucking pig erase all of that possible drama
>>82819778
Yeah this annoyed me too
>>82819778
I really wish he hadn't gotten his memory back. It sort of ruined the whole moment.
It wouldn't have been bad if they implied he might recover them someday, like showing something in the recesses of his mind, but to outright have them straight back felt disingenuous.
>>82819651
It's not really a deus ex machina, since it was established way back in Chille Tid that Steven can communicate with other gems through his dreams. Hell, even the previous episode reminded us that Steven had weird dream powers with the whole watermelon possession thing.
>>82819746
Yeah, I never saw it going to Eva levels, even when it first aired. I remember people claiming that it was the "new Eva", and that naysayers would be eating their words in 10 years, but here we are 5 years later, and Madoka's pretty clearly falling to the wayside.
I'm not sure that any anime will truly be able to match the longevity and cultural relevance that Eva's had. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but all of its rivals in those areas were from 25+ years prior.
>>82819592
No, Gundam is more well known when it comes to floaty telepathic communication.
Because it happens in almost every Gundam series.
>>82819716
>>82819665
Original guy here. I wasn't making a comment about 00. I was commenting on Gundam as a whole.
Something that is far better well known than both Madoka and NGE combined.
>>82819968
>A pattern fans would recognize vs one of the only things people DO know through osmosis about one of the most popular anime ever.
Dude, stop trying to change the standard, it's okay to be wrong. It's not the first or most popular, but a lot of people associate it with Gundam.
>>82820025
No, it really isn't, it's just more lucrative.
Shit like Eva and Dragon Ball are way more prolific even among people who don't know what an anny may is.
>>82819716
>NGE is bigger than Gundam
>In Japan
RETAAAARDEDDD
>>82819467
The only happened to Garnet because she was hit with a destabilizer
ITT: /m/ gets triggered by pleb tastes.
>>82820192
/m/ is pleb taste central. Especially the tokufags
>>82820112
You're kidding right.
Gundam is far more popular/known than NGE.
>>82820159
Off of what reality do you come from? Do you know that Gundam is pretty much considered a national treasure in Japan?
>>82820217
But I really liked W. It was fun.
>>82820217
Says the /co/-poster.
>>82820171
Not bigger than UC Gundam but it is bigger than Gundam 00. All Gundams aren't the same.
>>82820025
No the screencap and comment was specifically about Gundam 00 you can't just say you meant all Gundams even then NGE is about on the same level as Gundam. Even in japan, you might not like NGE but it's pretty huge.
>>82819416
I'm more mad that they're sideling Peridot to live in the barn so we wont see her as much as the other CG despite all that development.
>>82820232
I'm not saying toku is bad. W is one of my favorite shows. But some of the tokufags there really dicksuck the newest show because it's what's on now and almost never discuss anything past 2000s.
>>82820252
No, not that post. This one:
>>82819560
Which was a comment on Gundam, not on 00. Check the previous comment. I didn't mention 00 but just wrote MSG.
Gundam is hella more popular and well known than NGE. NGE's popularity continues to fall while Gundam remains strong.
>>82820261
Why WOULDN'T you talk about what's current and ongoing?
It sounds more like a case of you being too much of a coward to even start a discussion.
It's /m/. I can assure you that they've talked about pre-2000 Kamen Rider to hell and back already.
>>82820261
Oh, I see.I'm rather partial to Zubat.
>>82820338
>NGE's popularity continues to fall while Gundam remains strong.
It really doesn't it's still popular enough to have bars themed after it work. The rebuilds are shit, but NGE isn't losing any popularity itself.
>>82820409
Based upon what metric do you state your opinions as facts?
Also the Gundam cafe still exists.
>>82819708
Bullshit. I want this show to have evil characters. I don't want misunderstandings, I want pure villains
>>82820466
I'm basing it off stuff like the fact that Aoi Honoo's drama was riding a lot off of how ingrained early Gainax is into pop culture. I'm also aware the Gundam cafe still exists I'm not saying NGE is more popular than UC Gundam, but it's on the same level. What metric are you basing it off of? Gundam sequels still running?
>>82820376
That's not what I mean at all
Regardless of what opinions anyone may have, it's undeniable that Gundam maintains its relevancy by continuously pumping out new material.
In the past several years we've seen multiple series and games come out for the franchise.
While the series are met with varying degrees of popularity, the games themselves are extremely popular and sell incredibly well.
Gundam Extreme VS has literally remained the 2nd most popular arcade game in Japan for several years now, and still holds that title.
I'm not even going to talk about Gunpla, which has building tournaments all around the world.
>>82820563
Ah, actually as of March. Gundam Maxi-Boost On is #1, with regular Maxi-Boost at #2.
>>82819128
>How would you have written it, mr.Shakespeare?
>what were his options?
>How the fuck were they supposed to kill it?
Stop asking anons on /co/ to do the writing staff's job, Sugar.
Sad thing is, I don't actually envy the writing staff on this. Gem Drill needed to be a 2-parter. If there are gem shards attacking the drill during it's 2 hour dive, there should have been loads of them at the actual Cluster site.Also, I'm really really mad there was no musical number.
The actual resolution for the episode didn't upset me. It's consistent with Steven Universe and it's themes thus far. The Cluster was trying to fuse out of pure desperation. Keeping It Together already showed us The Answer. Steven just needed another 11 minutes to hash it out with them all.
![DnYpbIS[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Jr90dhd.jpg "DnYpbIS[1].jpg")
>>82819194
I liked it better when it was on a boat.
I don't understand. Did everyone actually want Earth to be destroyed?
>>82821680
>asking /co/ if they want to end the world
...yes, always yes.
>>82821680
Yeah man haven't you listened to Alphaville's song? It's always better to let something die young than to have it slowly rot away.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XEUEiEN.jpg "latest[1].png")
>>82821680
Duh.
>>82821680
Of course!
>>82819128
maybe they should have avoided hyping the cluster so much from the start
>>82817651
>ITT: Bullshit
/co/'s opinion about anything.
>>82823645
Somebody said mean things about your favorite toon?
>>82817813
What >>82817842 stated is correct.
The cluster will be brought back later during season three when Yellow Diamond's forces arrive on Earth to collect the cluster.
As it stands, the gems are outnumbered and I would expect Sugar to create another anime homage where countless past enemies reappear to defeat the new villain.
>gem monsters are restored to gem people by Steven
>cluster gems combine into functional gem people where they don't destroy the planet.
>Jasper might betray Steven and the gems only for her to see the error of her ways. Some BS over how friendship and etc.
The show has been filled with a lot of bullshit moments. Doesn't mean that it is a terrible show.
I'll state it, Sugar is a better writer/creator that Alex.
Can't believe there are people who still believe in Jasper reformation.
>>82817651
>>82819194
so is that stealing or "tribute"
>>82819826
but how many HW gems even know he exists, besides the ones already stranded on Earth? Two of them even had the chance to report on him, but they didn't.
I don't think we're going to see all-out war for a long while. If the other Diamonds are still around, I doubt YD could justify launching a full-scale invasion just to reclaim one geoweapon when it doesn't emerge on schedule.
>>82819855
Eva's still culturally relevant largely because it effortlessly pissed off everyone who saw the series finale. It's one of the most widely documented cases of nerdrage in the modern eraand I love it on that principle alone. They also made up a lot of plot details as they went along, which left nerds poring over throwaway details for years trying to figure out the subplots going on.
>>82824551
Nothing special or now about that
>>82817651
I don't dislike SU as a show, but I still feel like it's kinda shitty writing just because, realistically, there's no chance the Crystal Gems could win.
Like, they're going to fail upwards until Earth is saved, but they need contrivances each time to make it.
It's the same issue I had with Jurassic World. People at the top (in-universe) keep having to make stupid decisions to allow everything to get worse until they've ruined everything for themselves.
Now, Yellow Diamond knows the ETA of the Cluster emerging. It should not take very long at all for her to notice something is up the next time a scout vessel stops by Earth.
Her options, then, are to either end this series and glass the planet (Won't happen because it'd make too much sense and the good guys lose), or keep pussyfooting around with Earth and eventually get Steven'd or change her mind or something dumb.
You can't talk your way out of every problem, but Steven himself has had a great track record of being able to do that. Try sneaking into a military base and breaking a prototype, just to talk your way to a peaceful resolution.
>>82824551
That's not really true, sure Eva caused a lot of rage with its TV finale, but it was already hugely popular before that, and EoE is possibly the most enduring part of the whole franchise. They also didn't make up plot details as they went along, they hint at nearly all of them within the first few episodes, things are just expounded upon in a very subtle, roundabout way.
>>82824571
Assblasters always feel special about being obnoxious little blobs. Their standards for self-approval are entirely circular so they think that annoying other people makes them superior.
>>82824780
Funny coming from somene that reacts this way to someone pointing out that inciting rage in the audience and making up stuff, which were the traits the post was talking about, aren't anything new.
>>82817651
In contrast, Super Watermelon Island was GOAT for the series. Which is to say it's as good as an average episode of a series that's actually good.
Webm very related.
>>82819194
>gundam is the first to do a powerful amoral hivemind
this is what weebs actually believe.
>>82819854
>It's not really a deus ex machina
Yes, it is.
>>82818335
>real life
>>82817854
>They just got finished shooting Malachite in the heart
>>82818524
>Steven is able to talk out billions unstable of gems from forming and destroying the Earth.
>The Gems couldn't talk to one unstable fusion.
>>82825780
Believe in Steven. He pulls bullshit like this all the time. The kid is gonna be scary by the time he hit his 20's.
>>82824866
>What's that? You think I'm obnoxious? That just means I'm pwning even HARDER lololololol!!!!!!
I guess if you have nothing to be proud of, you can always be proud of nothing.
>>82824097
Why would she collect the cluster though?
It is not something she can control, it is pretty much a force of nature.
Also where would she maintain it?
>>82821680
I wanted good writing instead. How about instead of Stephen leaving the Cluster square in the center of Earf, he could've teleported it into space or something. It just leaves this obvious looming threat open to for lazy writers to exploit for no reason. Same goes with the Jasper accident.
>>82825630
The Cluster arc's resolution was based on story elements introduced in previous episodes coming together in a new but logical way. It didn't need to inroduce anything out of nowhere to make it work.
>>82825780
This is what Rose Quartz gave up her existence to bring about. To do the things a gem never could.
Steven is not just a weapon.
Steven is the Way.
>>82819629
kind of hot honestly
>>82826105
I'm not sure how to dignify this response.
Uh... Okay. You know Steven isn't Jesus right?
>>82825780
Because Malachite is a fully self-aware, willfully malicious being. Unlike the Cluster, which had no ill will, she isn't the kind of threat that can be solved without violence. The Crystal Gems needed Alexandrite to break her apart.
The Cluster, by contrast, is a mashup of millions of broken, half-conscious beings with immeasurable power that is almost entirely beyond their control, who are barely aware of who they are or what's going on around them. They couldn't be stopped with the amount of force the Crystal Gems could muster, but they could be talked down because they didn't actually want to hurt anyone; they just needed Steven to help them realize that they were harming the Earth, and show them a way to stop themselves.
Fortunately, the team had enough members for two groups. One handled the problem that needed violence, and the other handled the problem that needed communication.
>>82826207
>Steven isn't Jesus
>Implying
>>82825095
Not a long of things make me as angry as legitimate talent being shown the door at CN
>>82826278
Well shows have had bigger ass pulls before so I guess we have to wait.
>>82826068
What you suggested is actually bad writing. Teleporting it using what? A warp pad? And how would they bring a mountain sized cluster to a warp pad?
>>82826431
Literally all the times Steven and the Gems bubbled a gem monster and teleported back to the base.
>>82826468
It ONLY goes to the base. It would be really bad to bring the cluster to the base.
>>82818099
Rebecca wrote herself into a corner.
That, or all the Gemstrumentality theories are spot on.
>>82817841
When? Fractured gems are supposed to be on par with animals.
>>82824186
>>82826058
I was under the impression that the Diamonds created clusters to use as massive weapons in their armies.
Hence, why planets like Earth have the kindergartens and the cluster. Planets are on footsoldier spawners.
>>82826105
I hate how people think Rose was somehow this deep individual that connected with everybody on a spiritual level. This idea that somehow Steven is Rose's solution to succeed where she had failed or something akin to that. The truth is Rose probably had the mental capacity of an 8 year-old child. She probably had a vague idea of what compassion and unbridled selflessness was, but as we've seen from her so far in terms of the mental condition even as far back as "Lion 3: Straight to Video" she has shown only curiosity in the things that revolved around her.
Like when she first met Garnet and halted Pearl from attacking and later proclaimed her fusion to be "Interesting." Or when she was around Greg and couldn't comprehend his emotion, simply put it as Pearl said "You're just a novelty."
She reminds me of Ariel form "The Little Mermaid." Just a playful soul obsessed with the abnormal longing to understand the peculiar objects in life.
Also I'm aware she was a warrior, no need to comment on that.
>>82827443
>later proclaimed her fusion to be "Interesting."
When was this?
>>82824186
Five (Joe)star post right here
>>82824097
>I'll state it, Sugar is a better writer/creator that Alex.
Consistently pushing arcs off "for later" does not a better writer make. It means she has better ideas, because she can't execute them worth a shit, she can only hype and disappoint people.
It took forever to get to fucking Malachite and we finally did, and Jasper fell down a hole the instant she appeared. Cool, we have to wait even fucking longer for her to show up.
She basically hyped up the Cluster then put it off for later. She consistently blue balls her audience and they're starting to hate her for it.
>>82818524
>I'd have preferred for Steven to try to talk it out, and have some success convincing the Cluster, but ultimately the Cluster would be unable to prevent itself from starting to form, and Peridot would destroy it. And then Steven would cry, because it was a victim in all of this but still had to be destroyed
This would have been the better outcome imo, narratively speaking. Confronting Steven with actually tough choices and going against his pacifism would have been refreshing and interesting, and it would have even given Peridot a chance to get closer to the other gems, since they'd all feel sad for both Steven and the cluster.
>>82827443
I was actually surprised when it was revealed how clueless Rose was. I'd been hoping Steven was part of some great plan of hers that she'd been working on for thousands of years. It made sense with all the presented evidence: her great compassion and attempts to fix the corrupted gems, however she created Lion and the space within she left just for Steven, the fact that she waited to put this all in motion until she met a man whose last name was Universe, like she took that as a literal sign from the Universe.
Discovering she's spent thousands of years playing with humans for amusement rather than actually trying to understand them was rather shocking but that doesn't mean she didn't develop some sort of plan once she decided to have Steven, which I'm still kind of hoping for.
>>82819416
I imagined a slide whistle going down when that happened. Not sure why, but it did.
>>82819778
Yeah, that was bullshit.
>>82818335
> Punctuation
> Childish use of ellipses
> Seriously comparing real life to a fucking cartoon
Pic related. You're all fucking pathetic, waste of human life.
>>82817747
>"Oh hey, people liked basically everything about our old show except the Turtle Ex Machina at the end of season 3, what should we do about our new series?"
>END EVERY SEASON WITH A SIMILAR ASSPULL!
>BRILLIANT!
>>82819778
What they should have done is have the other characters teach him about who he was and what he did to try and recreate a life for him, where he still has his tics, mannerism and base personality, and some recollection of what happened in his life to make him who he is from family anecdotes and pictures and shit, but no real memory of his past self. Basically "even without his memories, Gruncle Stan will always be Gruncle Stan", instead of that bullshit "I now magically remember literally everything" thing they pulled.
>>82817651
THE SHIKON JEWEL!
THE ULTIMATE COP OUT
>>82832154
At least Aang fought the damn guy, sheesh.
Also, before you say "HOW HE GET MUH POWERS, BUUUUULLLLL!!1!" What did you think the fucking spirit lionturtle was for, huh? If you couldn't think for yourself that that meant Aang was gifted with the solution, than that's your damn fault.
I find it absolutely baffling that people actually think this is the end of the Cluster subplot.
This is clearly just a temporary solution. Either the homeworld gems are going to try and forcibly regain control of it, or the conflict is going to shift to the issue of how to actually restore these millions of broken Crystal Gem souls trapped in what is essentially a purgatory.
Some SHIT is going to go down.
>>82832765
"Aang was magically given a new never-before-mentioned power" isn't exactly a logical implication of the lion turtle scene.
And by that, I mean the scene where it wordlessly taps him on the forehead, not the flashback that explains the new power while he's using it.
>>82826909
>I was under the impression that the Diamonds created clusters to use as massive weapons in their armies.
The Cluster is a relatively new experiment that is meant as a weapon but is really Yellow Diamond's way of being incredibly petty about how to destroy the Earth. Using the corpses of the soldiers who defended the planet to blow it up is like pottery to her.
>>82819226
>Thank god S3 was pretty great
It really wasn't.
>>82833980
Ah, thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot more sense.
>>82833980
>The Cluster is a relatively new experiment that is meant as a weapon but is really Yellow Diamond's way of being incredibly petty about how to destroy the Earth. Using the corpses of the soldiers who defended the planet to blow it up is like pottery to her.
that pretty much directly contradicts Sugar's proclamation stating there are no villains in Steven Universe.
Does she somehow not recognize this action as a particularly evil thing to do? Is her original narrative being steered off into a new direction by the CN honchos?
Clearly something here is amiss...
>>82835073
>Sugar's proclamation stating there are no villains in Steven Universe.
[citation needed]
>>82825095
>There will never be a fight scene as good as this one on CN ever again....
Fuck this gay earth....
Just watched the 2 new episodes.
What the fuck happened to the animation?
The first episode was fantastic. The second episode started great but ended up turning into a colored animatic, what the hell?
>>82835904
Different boarders putting different levels of detail into their boards. Joe and Jeff have been shown to put a lot of detail into the actual animation of their boards, whereas Raven and Paul tend to focus more on wild expressions. Joe and Jeff board most of the action-heavy episodes as a result.
>>82836438
Those weren't boards though. That was an animation segment done by Ian.
>>82835904
I felt the second episode had great animation towards the end, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
>mfw when the drills whip out their TRIPLE TIP PENETRATION
>>82835073
>that pretty much directly contradicts Sugar's proclamation stating there are no villains in Steven Universe.
She was talking only about the first season.
I haven't been in the talk back threads, did anyone theorize that when Jasper fell through the earthquake, she will go awaken the cluster herself by falling to the center of the earth?
>>82836517
Two seconds in google proves you wrong;
http://joethejohnston.tumblr.com/post/110560334713/these-are-some-boards-i-did-from-the-episode-on
>These are some boards I did from the episode “On the Run.”
>This was a shot that i animated myself with advice from Jeff, it was a lot of fun to do.
>>82836582
I felt that it was fluid but not as structured and true to form as the previous episode or earlier within the same episode. All of a sudden it became an amateur job.
>>82836660
I thought she was the hand in the promo but the hand wasn't beefy enough.
>>82836701
To me it felt like a deliberate emulation of Gainax animation to have the drills move like that.
>>82836438
I think that gif would work better if they had a closeup of Pearl making contact with Amethyst. I wish they'd get somebody like Gendy on board for this show.
>>82835073
>no villains
DROPPED
>>82837174
Sugar never said that
>>82826024
Are you retarded? I just stated something commenting on what that guy thought were strong points of the franchise and I pointed out that those things aren't in fact that special.
Jesus can you people even operate without having to use petty insults or something.
>>82837219
>Sugar never said that
>>82836582
>She was talking only about the first season.
well, clearly one of you is a liar...
>>82839841
Nobody can ever actually give a citation for the supposed quote. Its always "Rebecca said no villains" with no actual quote.
>>82839908
It's from this article:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/steven-universe-is-a-show-about-fantasys-love-affair-1458060916
>But we won't necessarily see that many iconic villains on Steven Universe, says Sugar — the Gems aren't dealing with a particular person, but something "bigger than that." There's not "really a singular enemy." Instead, the conflict will be within the group, and it'll be about Steven figuring out what's right.
People get confused by it, especially since it's a paraphrase, but basically Sugar was just saying there isn't a single Skeletor-style villain that is the source of all evil in the show.
>>82817747
I like the idea behind it, but the execution was just terrible. As long as I'm concerned, book 2 never happened
>>82835904
Raven and Paul love making exaggerated faces, especially since Paul is a former SuperJail Boarder and Raven is a former Edd ed n eddy boarder. The actual animation was pretty good, it WAS off model alot though if thats what you mean.
Felt like a big bait and switch moment. We expected a big shonen battle against the cluster in some form though we already got that in Super Watermelon Island, but what we got wasn't too bad if the execution wasn't so rushed.
>>82835904
>Super Watermelon Island had great animation
By today standards sure, but not even on par with any memorable action cartoon fight scene let alone a good one from an anime.
>>82819560
I do recommend Astro Boy though, it's a great read overall.
>>82826551
>It would be really bad to bring the cluster to the base.
You mean where Rose's room is able to fulfill anything they desire, like solidarity and autonomy? Yeah, what an awful fate.
>>82841544
I'm sure the fact that it's fucking gigantic and would destroy the temple if it could even be teleported has nothing to do with it
>>82819416
>>82819467
Seriously, how can people be complaining about the Cluster when this happened.
The Cluster was a disappointment, but Jasper was so lazily cut from the picture.
Oh and the unconsciousness, that was caused by exhaustion, when Fusions are poofed the gems get separated. Both Jasper and Lapiz where stuck together for so long and so physically and mentally destroyed they just couldn't function and their bodies went to resting state, or, limp
>>82841847
>when Fusions are poofed the gems get separated.
Forgot, Nicki Manaj Gem is an example of this
>>82840028
And even then it's still wrong because at this point Yellow Diamond is the one behind all of this shit.
>>82834082
Season 3 was the only reason to watch korra, and almost everyone agrees on this.
The rest was pretty shit m8
>>82842111
That's because that retard misinterpreted it too.
She's just saying that the inner conflict and character development is more important for the show than the evil space empire. That's it. It's so simple that I can't believe I'm explaining it.
>>82837364
>Jesus can you people even operate without having to use petty insults or something.
It helps to have traits worth having, as opposed to pretending that being obnoxious is somehow admirable or challenging for you.
Street Sharks getting canceled.
>>82818259
>>82818589
I don't think you're watching the right show, friends.
>>82832154
The biggest bullshit was that out of nowhere rock that triggered the avatar state.
>>82847239
Acupuncture is a thing. And they were fighting on land. It's not like they were zooming through the air and a rock struck him in the back. That would have been out of nowhere.
>>82817747
This is where a "lightshow" like what happened in AtLA would have worked. Not actually fighting back, letting the darkness in then shining through it and finding the light in the dark. Then going for the send off technique.
Of course you still need the build up because the character arc was all over the place.
>>82817965
>>82818146
>>82819226
>>82819771
>>82831494
>>82840063
>>82847349
Christ, you people hate fun.
>>82843996
Oh you are just trolling, my bad. I should have known better than to take your posts seriously.
>>82847494
>Christ, you people hate fun.
>Character goes through character arc and learns things.
>Dead guy is literally brought back from the dead to show her things rather than channeling her past lives.
>She can't do what she set out to do by going Godzilla.
>Instead not-Mothra is needed when not-Mothra shouldn't be needed.
There was nothing fun about watching the past lives be gone for good then switching to a monster fight that has the winner apologizing to the fuckers who held back her support so she ended up losing the past lives and they don't even apologize back for doing that in the first place. They even get a promotion to their father's old position like their country doesn't even care.
Fun would be having Korra suplex Satan or clothesline him while bouncing off a bridge. Or using Aang's Statue's staff as a weapon and going Jackie Chan on him with improv.Or at least give her a boob jiggle like they did before. I'll take it since you apparently can show men naked but not women.
>>82847494
Don't forget where you are. This is the board that hates The Legend of Korra, but praises crap like Star vs Forces of Evil.
>>82833540
>I mean the scene where it wordlessly taps him on the forehead
So, what did you think the turtle was doing? Scooping out his brain as a light snack?
>>82847629
Your "Intro To Writing" Night School class has misled you.
>>82817651
Despite everyones bitching given the scenario no one can come up with any other way the cluster could have been dealt with by steven and peridot alone.
The drill couldn't have pierced it. Them fusing wouldn't have been strong enough. The entire crystal gems fusing wouldn't have been strong enough tbqh considering this is a weapon designed to destroy worlds.
The only way to stop it was to convince it to stop.
And anyone bitching about no problems ever being solved with violence is retarded considering this a problem that could not possibly have been solved with violence and they shot someone in the heart with a fucking arrow last episode.
>>82835073
>"There are no villains."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWlWG_42kE
Pearl lays out the gray morality of the series pretty early.
