Series premeire starts in 50 minutes. How bad is it going to be?
Hell.
Probably pretty bad. Anyone know of a stream?
>>81450731
Just probably going to download it later. Will be all over the Internet within a few hours.
>>81450588
Really really bad
Just saw the ep online. It was just average. Nothing special.
>>81450588
Why doesn't the Powerpuff Girls just kill the Joker?
>>81451467
Honestly?
They probably would.
>>81451542
Judging by how they fucked that mime even after his redemption, I would have to agree.
Also, voice actors aside, it's not nearly as bad as everyone on here seems tohope.
Watched first 3 episodes on KissCartoon. It's terrible. No good jokes, and the animation is terrible. There's one scene where buttercup is really stretched out for no reason, and another scene in a different episode, Buttercup is punching a monster, only her fists don't touch the monster at all.
Holy shit, it sucked
First Sailor Moon Crystal, and now this. Also, the UK doesn't have Hulu so I can't watch SM Original. I never finished it.
>>81456158
So what happened with Sailor Moon Crystal other than the art/animation?
It was ok
>>81457622
The art style was a big part of it, but honestly it just missed the tone and the humour. It was soulless.
So why does reddit like this show?
You'd think CN would be interested in giving one of their classic, incredibly popular and highly successful IPs some actual talent to work with.
No, let's just hire some people off the street and keep only one VA.
Why don't they have Craig on this? Didn't they have him work on that ugly special that came out not too long ago?
>>81457793
Because their membership is made up of the lowest common denominator.
>>81457808
Craig is busy with WOY...well, was.
>>81457724
>>81457767
They gave up.
>>81457808
Craig left to Disney so his dead to them.
>>81457793
They're just saying they do because they want to cash in on nostalgia and get them sweet sweet upvotes.
>>81457865
It's just two tumblr fucks.
>people will defend this
>>81457964
We've already had a whole thread about this and there's been plenty of "actually it's great and the original is shit" or "it's literally exactly the same."
>Escape from Monster Island/ Princess Buttercup Downoad
>https://mega.nz/#!q5lBxDIJ!d8jvGkbreBnU5djzGHEfwMwd3t0pdJdfjvowlHcUQEo
>The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S01 - Episode List
https://kat.cr/community/show/cartoon-network-unofficial-previews/?page=12#post17538950
>The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S01E03 - The Stayover
Synopsis: After going overboard on the candy, Blossom and Buttercup wake up with no memory of last night and no idea where Bubbles is! They must piece together the events of last night and find Bubbles before the Professor gets back!
2 minute preview + subtitles: http://b.1339.cf/zzhbvgr.mp4
>The Powerpuff Girls (2016) S01E04 - Painbow
Synopsis: When a mysterious rainbow causes everyone to become unnaturally happy, the Powerpuff Girls must find where it ends to save the day and return Townsville to normal.
2 minute preview + subtitles: http://b.1339.cf/azxztfd.mp4
>>81457865
>popularity whores saying a popular thing is good because they think everyone else thinks so
Uh, yep.+
>>81458046
A Hangover parody? In this day and age?
>>81457865
Do you guys seriously just cap a few individual's opinions on something and then apply it to an entire site? The fuck kinda logic is that?
I think its shit. Are you gonna screencap my post with another one that agrees with m me?
>>81458046
Why do that image look like I saw it before at one point?
>>81456158
>Also, the UK doesn't have Hulu so I can't watch SM Original. I never finished it.
Torrent it nigga.
>>81458146
No.
>>81450588
Can someone define a tumblr cartoon?
>>81458402
Meaningless buzzword for a modern cartoon a person doesn't like.
However in this specific case, it's the most tumblr a cartoon can be - artists, VAs and writers sourced from there, unsubtle agenda-pushing and aping far superior shows that have fanbases in tumblr.
If ever the term has carried any meaning at all, it's now.
>>81458402
A tumblr cartoon is one of which someone can say has elements that are reminiscent of art styles or opinions found on tumblr.
>>81458477
>>81458494
So, Steven Universe.
>>81458402
Don't even.
>>81458539
Don't even what? I'm asking a question.
>>81458402
some other guy last thread defined it well imo
-amateurish art direction, usually looking like flat notebook doodles and tries to hard to pass off the lack of skill as "charming" (AT, RS, Sanjay and Craig, Breadwinners, Gravity Falls, OtGW, Long Live the Royals, Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors, Star and the Forces of Evil, Clarence)
-attempts at idiosyncratic and "natural" dialogue that ends up sounding robotic. Usually has a lot of modern or made-up slang. "Man, this day was total butt. We needs to go get out munchichies on, ya' know what I'm saying?" (AT, RS, GF, Steven Universe, SaC, BW, CH, OtGW, Star)
-a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character (AT, RS, SU, GF, SaC, BWarriors, BaP).
-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
-voice actors that sound like they picked random people from the street (all of them)
-an ambiguously brown character to try to not piss anybody off, as well as forced diversity (OtGW, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Bee and Puppycat, Dead End, etc)
-fake 80s montages (RS, SaC, BW, Star, SU)
-limited amount of expressions, most of them being ":-T" (all of them)
>>81458402
> What is a tumblr cartoon?
Amateurish blah gah blah(looney tunes)
Blag blah
>>81458580
That. >>81458598
>>81458525
Steven universe doesn't have a baddy who is a walking strawman of everything a hipster associates with 'masculinity', and the line "ugh, men" in the first episode.
>>81458598
>>81458603
>>81458614
Modern cartoons suck.
>>81458525
Yes. Steven Universe is a cartoon, therefore it is a tumblr cartoon.
>>81450588
So who else wants the original VAs back?
>>81458650
Cartoons were never actually good. You just had lower standards.
>>81458494
By that definition, literally any and every cartoon ever made can be tumblr, just because someone can draw a comparison between any cartoon and something they saw on tumblr.
>>81458682
VAs?
>>81456158
Why don't you pirate it, you fucking pussy?
>>81458716
Exactly!
>>81458725
Vaginal Agreement
>>81458725
Voice actors.
>>81458725
Vagina Anuses
>buttzilla
>>81458766
So is the one on the right with the faggy hair male or female?
>>81458779
>ginger
>90s
Pretty sure it wasn't.
Something else it wasn't: good
>>81458766
The smashed pinatas makes this really creepy
>>81458725
It's pronounced vase.
>>81458871
I thought that was kinda weird too.
>>81458789
Wrong.
>>81458766
>fat bitch
>nu-males
>piggy banks from Target
>shit cardboard unicorn
>empty beer bottle on the far right, bottom shelf
>bowl on coffee table full of uneaten popcorn bags
>creepy-ass pinatas hardly broken
I hope these people kill themselves.
>>81458871
>>81458898
they're like war trophies or something.
>>81458639
Yes it does.
>>81458695
Ed Edd n Eddy was good though.
>>81458682
>Cathy Cavadini
Dunno what happen to her.
>Elizabeth Daily
Dunno what happen to her
>Tara Strong
She does MLP:FIM and became an attention whore for the brony fandom.
>>81459118
That post was clearly not serious, anon.
>>81459136
Tara's also doing DC voice work.
And I'm pretty sure EG did some voice work for FE Fates (that Hinoka).
>>81459059
Would you care to explain? If you don't then I'll just assert the opposite and call it a day.
>>81459136
Why does /co/ hate Tara Strong?
>>81459136
Every time somebody mentions Tara Strong, I think of her part in that stupid thing where a bunch of VAs wanted to get additional royalties for their work on video games (like, way more, more than the people who actually did any work) and then I think of how Laura Bailey blew them all the fuck out and is a superior voice actor.
Actually, based on her work with Shin-Chan, I think Laura would be a good replacement.
>>81457808
they're not aiming for quality, they're aiming to cash in on the strong independent gurl power x) crowd
>>81458766
On the second shelf from the top, is that the professor wrapped in a blanket?
I though it premiered a while ago.
>>81459270
She's popular and has a limited range that makes her easily identifiable in any work she's in.
Like Kristen Schaal.
>>81459289
Wait what?
>>81459300
I think their target audience is considerably more broad than that.
>>81459318
I thought the same thing.
Could also be Jack.
>>81459350
>has a limited range that makes her easily identifiable in any work she's in.
That's pretty much any VA who's been in the business for over 20 years.
>>81458871
>>81458898
>>81459025
Yeah, apparently when you get a show at CN you get a piñata for it.
>>81459350
The difference being that Kristen Schaal is actually talented.
>>81459364
If there's something you're confused about then feel free to ask, but I don't know how you expect me to reply when all you say is "what?"
>>81459468
Shit, I would have just kept them. What a bunch of fags.
>>81459470
>The difference being that Kristen Schaal is actually talented.
That's what we all thought before the third or fourth role she played that was exactly the same character. Schaal is as shit as Tom Kenny.
>>81459470
>The difference being that Kristen Schaal is actually talented
They're both talented.
was it really necessary for Buttercup to beat up the skater girls? they did say they still liked her even if they were being paid
>>81459526
Not her fault she gets typecasted.
>>81459470
>Kristen Schaal is actually talented
I don't disagree that she is pretty good at emoting with her voice, but as far as vocal range goes she does the same voice for every role.
>>81459541
They tried to stop her from leaving, ostensibly with force.
>>81459570
She doesn't just do the same voice, she only plays one character.
has anyone actually been to a roller derby game? why do cartoons like to pretend this is a thing people care about
>>81459541
Talk shit, get hit.
>>81459555
That orangutan from Cloudy 2 did NOT have to be Louise Belcher, Schaal just did that because it's all she can do.
>>81459630
There are clear personalities behind each character she plays, but that is more of the work of the directors than her herself.
>>81459723
No. She just can only be WACKY CRAZY AM I RIGHT GUIYZ? Mabel is just not-evil Louise. That's not exactly a clear personality.
Still better than tumblrverse at least. Uncle Grandpa and Wander Over Yonder are canceled. Gravity falls has ended. Animation is getting better :)
Other thread seems to be on the way out, so I guess we're using this one to talk about the premier?
I don't think it was awful, but it certainly was far from good.
I don't get a lot of the design choices they're going for here. Like how the girls eyes are like TV monitors and can just become whatever they feel like.
And a lot of it is really forced like the rap thing and the boyband shit from the first episode (real quality writing to inspire girls right there, have them getting their panties wet over boybands in the first episode).
There were a couple parts that got me to chuckle at least. The mayor's call in the first one actually got me to laugh openly.
The voices seem like they at least can grow on you, and the shitty art moments are noticeable, but not too distracting overall.
But the biggest issue was they just couldn't decide what they wanted to do with it. The plots were all over the fucking place and it felt like they did way too much in a single episode. I kept wondering when it was going to end cause we had gone through like 8 plot points by the 7 minute mark.
It's all just really mediocre. nothing really made it stand out and the things they tried to do with it either worked slightly or felt like they were trying to be cool.
>>81459570
That single voice has more effort and life put into it than anything Tara Strong has ever done.
>>81459799
Using dubs for bait should be bannable.
>>81459799
You can do better.
>>81459810
Now you're just exaggerating.
>>81459541
Considering she could have just flown past them, no.
>>81459810
Shut the fuck up Kristen. You're shit. Louise was good, but what have you done for us LATELY?
>>81459799
W E A K B A I T
>>81459882
She's the saving grace for last cuck on earth
Also, the episode was alright, not amazing but I wasn't expecting amazing. That thing with the monster being called in for monstering was hilarious
I don't like Tara Strong but she was definitely better than... anyone in this shit, really. I'm tired of her being everyone in everything but they really should have brought her back, although I have a feeling she probably would have tried to charge CN an unholy fuckton to reprise her role even if they tried.
>>81459799
Was UG really cancelled? This is the second time I've heard someone mention this.
>>81459799
>Uncle Grandpa and Wander Over Yonder are canceled.
>Uncle Grandpa
>Canceled
Try to bait harder next time.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/30/steven-universe-uncle-grandpa-renewed-season-5-cartoon-network
>>81459829
>>81459830
>>81459952
>'YOUR BAIT IS SO SHIT I'M NOT EVEN REPLYING TO IT'
well done
>>81460020
It wasn't renewed, it was "renewed."
Time will tell.
>>81459984
This.
Tara wasn't called back because she would have been too expensive especially considering what it seems like they're paying storyboard-artists, animators, and writers.
>>81460026
Seasons 4 and 5 are splits of the seasons already ordered. It's just scheduling. It's not necessarily canceled, but there are no episodes in addition to those already planned (yet).
>>81460020
>>81460026
>>81460049
UG wasn't really renewed. An existing season was split up and it was later confirmed that UG was indeed cancelled.
>>81460026
>>81460049
That show seems to be fairly popular, I'd be pretty surprised if they just dropped it like that.
>>81460052
Are VAs always so overpaid?
>>81460102
The word "cancelled" was never confirmed. They might ACTUALLY renew it later on, like during season "5."
>>81460102
I'll believe you when you post a source.
>>81460102
>and it was later confirmed that UG was indeed cancelled.
I see. Can you provide a source for this?
>>81460129
No, they just want to pay some kids union scale.
>>81460036
We're just telling him to try harder.
>>81460195
>>81460036
I was just mad the bait got dubs.
>>81459829
>>81459830
>>81459952
Ha! Get trolled, I didnt even like the episode and I actually like those shows I mentioned. Thanks for the Yous chumps :^) !
>>81460026
>>81460020
>>81460099
>>81460147
>>81460167
>>81460177
http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/series-renewals.html
Not that anon, but here's a source that I found in the archives.
>>81460147
>>81460167
http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2016/03/series-renewals.html?m=1
>>81460292
I think we got a master baiter over here.
>>81460292
You got dubs with bait, that is unforgivable.
>>81460292
SHUT THE FUCK UP KRISTEN
>>81460292
We knew that bait was weak, faggot. And those (you)'s mean nothing.
>>81460408
Oh wow, thanks for the help. See, 'cause when those two people replied directly to me, I totally couldn't tell since there's not any way of telling whether a poster has replied to you, like the exclamation mark on the tab, the various (You)s attached to certain posts, or the links to posts that have replied to me at the top of my own post. Thanks for the help, you're really doing God's work.
>>81460292
Um, that's the definition of bait. You're saying something just to get a rise and you don't necessarily believe it yourself.
You didn't troll them, you got called out because they realized what you were doing. Trolling them meant they would have taken you seriously and got mad that you insulted something they loved or liked something they hate. The opposite of that is what happened. You failed at trolling.
>>81460334
>>81460335
>Add On: TAG blog was told by a CN staffer this afternoon that no, Uncle Grandpa is NOT being picked up, that Cartoon Network just sent out a press release saying there was a 4th and 5th season. (When, in reality, the company had just relabeled shows already in the pipeline as "Season 4" and "Season 5". Slick, huh?)
Alright, so nothing saying it's cancelled, just a guy saying a guy heard another guy saying it wasn't being picked up, on a blog website.
I suppose only time will tell.
>>81460486
I didn't see the shit.
No need to be a Richard.
>>81460465
>>81460492
Holy shit, come on guys, that was clearly a joke post and most likely not even the same guy.
>>81460529
>A show supe told the sad news of the show's soon-to-be end to the crew, and the crew was not pleased
>soon-to-be end
>>81460558
Of course you didn't, they weren't replying to you. You realize those (You) things and all that other shit shows up for everyone else too, right?
Or do you seriously not use any 4chan extensions?
>>81460658
Sorry, I just don't consider someone's blog to be a reliable source.
>>81460529
>on a blog website
Nigga, that's the animation guild's official blog. It isn't "just" some blog website.
>>81460661
There you go being a Richard anon.
>>81460766
Is this your first day on 4chan or are you just genuinely fucking stupid?
>>81460716
Then why don't they put all this news on their actual site?
>>81460827
You're just super temperamental.
>>81460827
we can tell this is your first time going to another board that isn't /b/ :^)
>>81461059
I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're new.
Take some time to observe before participating.
And if you think I'm a temperamental dick, just know that it gets way worse than me.
>>81457622
sailor moon crystal actually looks decent now with the new animation, and they changed up the writers.
maybe something like that will happen with this?
>>81461198
>just know that it gets way worse than me.
alright this is where I cracked up, I read this in the deepest voice a 14 year old could emulate to pass a speech filter
>>81461473
It's funny, a few minutes ago I was thinking "hey, maybe if it gets enough steam they'll hire some actual talent" but then I reprimanded myself for having unrealistic expectations.
>>81461198
Who shit in your cornflakes this morning anon?
>>81461479
Sorry, I couldn't find a way to articulate that point without sounding silly.
>>81458871
Buttercup looks like fucking Bughuul
>>81459468
Ah yes, i remember seeing a Clarence piñata
>>81459526
>Tom Kenny
>Shit
opinion discarded
How many memes made it in?
>>81459526
>Tom Kenny
>shit
Opinion discarded
My only complain about this is the powerpuffs voices
wheres tara?
wheres E.G?
>>81459468
That means the people in >>81458766
beat up life-sized versions of the girls with probably a baseball bat.
I wish that its recorded somewhere.
>>81459526
>Schaal is as shit as Tom Kenny.
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tom-kenny/
So fuck you.
http://rossdraws.tumblr.com/post/141989977060/preview-for-tomorrow-episode-yess
>>81459468
it looks more creepy then the beat up ones from earlier...
is it just me?
>>81463119
>>81463495
>>81463735
Samefag.
>>81463783
Shit opinion proven wrong.
>>81458402
A shitty "slice of life" series filled either with social justice themes and/or abstract hipster garbage.
>>81463783
someone's salty
>>81463868
>(You)
Dude, did you just like, confirmed you just samefagged yourself? Not even that other anon you were talking to before, but really mang? Haha.
>>81464186
:^)
I wanna end up on r/4chan
HEY GUYS!!
>>81464186
you idiot
>>81464186
>1 (you)
>samefag
newfag
>>81459300
>they're aiming to cash in on the strong independent gurl power x) crowd
I know it's 4chan and we have to blame everything on social justice warriors but come on now
>>81464646
Jesus these character designs are lazy.
>>81464646
Can someone explain me this guy?
>>81464713
How so? They're supposed to look the same, and they do, that's doing the job right rather than not doing it at all.
>>81464713
well if they're supposed to be identical then they;re doing pretty good
if not then yes it is lazy
>>81464723
The Derby Tants are equal opportunity shitlord
Damn it! Why can't it be exactly the same as the original series, but with new episodes.Samurai Jack will be the next one to let us down
>>81464713
They'd be better if they all had a few unique bits and bobs but were kept similar so they look like they're all members of the same group, instead of just having them all look exactly the same except for the leader and the gag character.
>>81464909
Except Samurai Jack has all the original guys working on it, you retard.
>>81464909
At least that's being handle by the creator
>>81465038
Simon?
>>81464909
post yfwmegas is next to be rebooted
>>81465085
that's never happening
they legally can't do that
>>81464967
Except Mako Iwamatsu.
I wonder if my sister still has that big talking Bubbles plush she had forever ago.
I'm gonna steal it when I go visit her this summer.
>>81459674
Why did they beat him up when he became normal again?
>>81466255
I believe it was before they knew how he was before he was evil, so they didn't know about it.
That or they kicked his ass anyways because he still nearly fucked everyone up in the end and that was for payback.
>>81464646
>still no yuri orgy 34
For shame, /co/
>>81458402
it's a cartoon that you like, but i hate
>>81466429
Check rule 34, was delivered around the time the episode first leaked.
>>81459059
Look I know you don't actually care at all, but for posterity, the gems don't actually give a shit about "girl power" or really much about human culture period.
I stopped watching when they mentioned rap battles. What was the rest of the show like?
>>81465038
More plz sir?
>>81465145
>Implying Genndy can't cast dark magics to resurrect Mako as an unholy voice acting abomination.
>>81466255
>>81466362
From what I've heard, it really had nothing to do with the plot and was just McCracken's middle finger at the executives who told him there had to be a fight in every episode in order to keep the young male audience. So he created a situation in which it was completely unwarranted and arguably evil to beat up the villain in question, and had them do it anyways.
>>81464810
>>81464851
my dudes think about why it is that they're all identical
>>81465121
so megas, Samurai Jack and EEnE are safe, at least? that's really good to know. but that still leaves Dexters Lab and Johnny Bravo at high risk...
>>81450588
I hate buttercup's stupid fucking cow lick. If the wanted her to have messy hair, give her messy hair. The other two didn't change. What was it about buttercup that the artist went "This is in dire need or redesigning but I'm not willing to put in any effort."
Its gonna be good!
i-i-ts ok
>>81458040
>"actually it's great and the original is shit" or "it's literally exactly the same."
sounds like mass samefagging/trolling. every other thread is massively negative, even from people who didn't like the original show.
gay sex is better than this utter crap
this is all from my own words...
... Should we just start making our own (fan) episodes?
Okay quick question.
I wasn't around for the whole mlp shitfest. what are the chances this series turns into the same kinda storm and suddenly everyone likes but then doesn't admit to it. Then boom we get another mlp on our hands.
>>81470978
it's too shit for that to happen
>>81470985
Yeah, but so was mlp
>expect shit
>shit opening
>ABYSMAL animation
>Man boy is lame as fuck
>voices are shit
>No Professor
>No other well known villains or characters to start
>most of the episode is devoted to some lame unfunny hippy fuck
wow. I mean it ended up being even worse than I though, it felt like some shitty commercial for some fucking hippy festival. god dammit I fucking hate hippies.
>>81470922
after watching that first episode I truly believe that we couldn't make a worse show if we tried.
>>81469328
Damn, dude must have mellowed the fuck out with age, it seems like he doesn't pull nearly the same amount of shit now.
>>81471121
No, the fact that mlp was actually decent was what allowed for that shitfest to happen to begin with. If it was just bad it would've been treated as a joke and promptly forgotten.
>>81472535
No, it was just bad. But it appealed to something deep within the manchild.
Believe it or not, they also fucked with Ms. Keane
>>81460348
What the fuck are dubs?
>>81471381
It doesn't even have to be overly/completely polished. Even simple animatics (Maybe some animated sequences here and there) that can form a cohesive episode would be sufficient.
>>81472638
Like Dibs, except made with shit.
>>81472506
Maybe that, or maybe direct network control has increased since then.
>>81460292
>Joke's on
>>81472579
She looks like a blow-up doll
>Bellum is gone because a curvy attractive woman is too problematic
>>81474406
what the fuck.
>>81472506
It has more to do with the fact that Disney gave him more creative control over Wander Over Yonder than any of his other shows.
>>81474406
> self-proclaimed feminist show cuts out an intelligent female character in a position of power because she's too hot
Why am I not surprised?
>>81474406
so does the Mayor run Townsville by himself or did they give him a new assistant? If he's alone, did they make him smarter? The only reason a moron like him was able to run the city was because of Bellum
>>81474406
A lot of people on /co/ predicted that Miss Bellum would be considered "too hot" for modern feminists and be cut out. I thought they were joking, but it turned out to be true.
How long before the rumor about Femme Fatale returning as a hero turns out to be true?
>>81459350
>limited range
you may dislike her voice or acting ability, but she definitely has a wide range. Just look up one of the youtube videos that compare her voices of different cartoons
>>81474406
>They just unironically confirmed they are feminists.
Yep, Sedusa is fucking kill. Even if she was in the intro, she's either "le clearly fake woman" or she won't be used in show at all. I can't even see Him be used correctly, they might even make Him a Her now.
>>81475243
If Femme Fatale becomes a hero, I will cry like a little bitch.
>>81474406
What the fuck, are you serious?
First they change the girls's VAs.
Then they change the Professor's original rectangular character art style with disgusting curved lines.
And now Ms. Bellum is gone from the show because she's too attractive and smart for today's society.
This isn't the PPG that I know and love.
This isn't PPG at all.
This is a bastardization...
>>81475725
Pretty sure Sedusa isn't in the show either. There's a new female villain that only kind of looks like her though.
>>81474406
>Bellum is gone because a curvy attractive woman is too problematic
That's not what they're saying at all, though.
>>81476178
So what does it really mean that clearly isn't "she's not a real woman, said by a feminist", CN worker?
>>81475847
>This is a bastardization...
Just as planned
>there are people on /co/ defending this reboot
>>81476458
There are people defending BvS. /co/ is full of contrarians.
>>81458598
Almost nothing in that list applies to SU. Especially the "natural" dialogue, romance plot, voice actors, ambiguously brown, and limited amount of expressions.
So literally all of them except music, which SU does have. Have you even fucking watched it?
>>81474406
>fire all the original female voice actors, the most major ones in the show, keep all the men
>get rid of miss bellum, the best example of a grown woman in the show and a rolemodel to the PPG
>"feminism"
>>81475243
Not about as long as the Gamer Gator appearing.
>>81474406
thank god kids today have Lord Dominatorhad ;____;
>>81476571
I thought about this also. Are they doing this on purpose or are they that stupid?
>>81474406
How did feminists rise to such a position of power and influence in the first place? Honestly, as a third- world drudge just seeing the first glimpse of SJW politics seeping into his country's politics, I want to know.
>mfw all this, but still have mai chinese cartoons
You know what? Screw the western side of the planet.
>>81476516
mmm the fish are biting
it's bait copypasta.
Do we know the ratings? I know 40 episodes have already been ordered but hopefully the ratings will sink and kill this monstrosity.
>>81476791
No it isn't. It's criticism.
>>81476666
>are they that stupid?
They are that fucking dumb, SuperSatan. They are really that blind to their own self-righteousness.
>>81460875
This isn't something Cartoon Network wants to reveal yet, hence the bullshit "4th and 5th season" announcements. This is info that Steve Hulett from the Animation Guild got from the actual crew on the show directly, not the network.
He's been right on this stuff before, he revealed Genndy's Popeye was going to be canned when the management changed (which later was officially shown to be true by Genndy), and the endings of shows like Ben 10 and Phineas and Ferb, and that's just off the top of my head.
>>81476855
the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>81477007
nor is all criticism good criticism
>>81476993
He was also right about WoY ending.
>>81468910
But they do.
>>81464909
No, Ben 10 is next. SJ is being handled by Genndy and Toonami.
>>81463858
So basically
>AT
>SU
>GF
>Gumball
>Clarence
>HB
>Star Vs.
>OtGW
>WoY
>>81477423
like what do you gain out of this, man? you don't have anything better to do?
>>81477467
>he's actually angry
lel
>>81477467
>>81477650
Tumblrtoon fags are so butthurt.
>>81469328
If that was SU, how they would handle it.?
>>81477687
They'd bitch about the patriarchy.
>>81477687
They'd make the villain transgender.
>>81477687
>villains
>in SU
Good one anon.
>>81477933
Marty
>>81476668
>position of power and influence in the first place
>making cartoon
Anon please, a guy writting a blog has as much power and influence than them
>>81477933
>Yellow Diamond,Malachite,Jasper,Forced Gem Fusions,Corrupted gems
Yeah no villains
>>81477933
>implying
>>81476666
I'd chalk it up to stupidity. If you're concerned about the lack of Ms. Bellum's career advancement, make her the mayor.
>>81477975
He's just misunderstood anon! He's really a good person deep down!
>>81478018
>Varying line width
>character is designed to be viewed from a variety of angles
>the design is adjusted as the show runs to make it as fluid and emotive as possible
I'm not a fan, but the Steven Universe comparisons for art and animation quality are invalid. It's got a similar millennial flower-child aesthetic, but the production on PPG is clearly inferior on every measurable level.
>>81477975
>>81478016
>>81478018
Sugar even said there were no villains on the show.
>>81476668
If you want to get into Hollywood you have to hold certain political views. As such, any acting/writing classes you take are run by professors who proclaim that all evil in the world is caused by patriarchy/whitemen/conservatives. Eventually, the people who adopt these views end up in charge, they then purge whoever isn't PC/Feminist. Repeat this long enough and you get an echo chamber where only radical opinions are accepted, and only radical staff are hired. The problem is that hitting people over the head with Feminism/PC culture is only accepted in their circlejerk. Writers then create shows based on beloved franchises... then they wreck them by destroying their original spirit in favor of heavy handed progressive themes.
The writers then cry to the media/bosses that the whole world must be sexist and they should publish more feminist geared shows. Being part of the circlejerk, the bosses agree and this the whole thing repeats until the writers are fired (and cry misogyny and sexism) and the higher ups bring in another writer with the exact same views and problems to do the whole thing all over again. I don't foresee the situation changing anytime soon, barring sudden influx of politically unbiased people that the feminist bosses can't fire.
>>81478117
Shut up shill.
>>81478140
Literally the same situation with SU. One of their story boarders got fired because she wasn't a raging SJW.
>>81478016
They're just misunderstood.
>>81475725
>>81474406
>>81476668
It's hilarious because you'd think they'd like Ms. Bellum because she's smart, intelligent, and competent regardless of her position (which is shown to be unimportant anyway).
Oh right, modern feminists. They don't know what they're talking about and yet like to get themselves involve in places that they aren't even knowledgeable. Disgusting.
>>81478016
>>81478018
The only villain on SU is the patriarchy.
>>81478117
As a big SU fan i'll gladly admit that SU used to have some terrible storyboarders but they were replaced and i believe they changed animation studios after CN realized it was going to be successful
>>81478755
and lemons
>>81478840
So what's with the woodpecker beak for a nose? Does she use it as weapon?
>>81478350
Mommy and daddy didn't hug them enough
>>81479114
She uses it to gouge out eyes.
It can also double as a prostate massager.
>>81478840
>i believe they changed animation studios after CN realized it was going to be successful
CN doesn't believe SU is successful.
>>81478840
>As a big SU
I'm so sorry.
>>81479223
well its confirmed for getting a 5th season, and we only just finished season 2
>>81478840
The terrible storyboarders were replaced with even worse storyboarders. What the fuck?
>>81479296
>As a big SU
>>81479330
It's not getting a fifth season, they're just taking the third season and splitting it up.
>>81479334
>>81478840
Joe and jeff have been on the team since it started. It was zuke who replaced the asian.
>>81478840
To be fair, season 1 and season 2 weren't actually that different; Hellen Jo is just a terrible storyboard artists. Case in point, Love Letters was a season 2 episode.
>>81479296
Its a rough fan base to be in
>>81479380
>It was zuke who replaced the asian.
After seeing her episodes, I miss the Asian.
>>81479433
Well, you all did try to kill a teenage girl.
>>81479380
>Joe and jeff have been on the team since it started.
No they haven't.
>>81479114
It's too make sure she doesn't look conventionally attractive. Gotta get those tumblr points.
>>81479479
Tumblr did
And they called the show writers pedophile supporters after saying its not ok to harass and send death threats to people because you disagree with them
>>81479563
>It's too make sure she doesn't look conventionally attractive
>implying she doesn't
Based on the leaked episodes I have to ask
Why are the girls so incompetent with her powers now?
>>81479567
That was /sug/. And the crew supported what they did.
>>81479296
>As a big guy 4U
>>81479567
The writers are pedophile supporters though. They defended Bill Cosby even after what he did.
>>81472579
I like the sweater at least. Might need to draw that on her original drain without these weird lips.
>>81479599
>A stick with a Jack-in-the-Box head.
>Attractive
Get some standards.
>>81479716
>getting caught
>part of the plan
pick one
>>81479567
The crew did do that. They also ate new born babies because I don't have a source cause I'm a faggot
>>81479822
pretending to be part of a crowd and setting yourself on fire doesn't help your case
>>81479738
I'd need a source on that, but I'd gather it was a "don't jump to conclusions" kind of 'defense'. A lot of people had the same reaction after the allegations came out but before they were fully substantiated.
>>81477687
Moot point. SU has had plenty of episodes with no fighting.
>>81479822
Given how most of the crew are landwhales, I wouldn't be surprised if they did eat newborn babies.
>>81479507
They literally boarded the first episode.
>>81458893
I think it's pronounced BROKEN!
>>81479886
>SU has had plenty of episodes with no fighting.
SU never had any fighting. It's so tumblr.
Did you guys here the news on tumblr? Apparently one of the storyborders for this reboot got in a fistfight with Craig McCracken yesterday.
>>81479924
Source? There's no way they could have boarded the first episode.
>>81480035
Did Craig win or at least knock their teeth out?
>>81480035
Link sources or GTFO
>>81480090
episode 2
>>81480090
She actually got worse over time.
>>81480048
Literally watch the first episode right now.
>>81480035
You got it wrong. Rebecca Sugar got into a cat fight with Daron Nefcy after she talked shit about Ian.
>>81480158
I did. They didn't storyboard it.
>>81480188
Nice photoshop.
>>81480021
swing and a miss
>>81480260
Name one time there's fighting in SU.
>pro tip: you can't.
>that one episode of steven universe where pearl got sent death threats on her blog account and spent the entire 11 minute runtime in a corner sobbing while steven's bruised body lay center view, occasionally bleeding but otherwise still
legit can't believe this SJW has fans here... i guess /co/mblr is real!
>>81471318
It's like they forgot what was good/funny/entertaining about the original show.
Or good/funny/entertaining about any show in general.
Just a slapdash hit or miss jokes using the Powerpuff Girls as an extreeeemly loose vehicle for these hit or miss jokes. When in reality, these characters could have been any other characters and it would make no dag-on difference.
But maybe the next on will be alrIt was shit.Probably on purpose, because this is a carcass of a show brought back against the will of the original creators; solely for the purpose to selling backpacks to little girls. But hey, that's the biz.
lol they didn't have the decency to have competent artists.
But hey, what more could I expect from a group of flannel wearing, Cal Arts rejects who probably can't draw a three dimensional sphere to save their cat's life?
>>81480370
Boy, that lost episode sounds fucking boring as all hell.where is the hyper realism? Where is the loud noises, where the homoeroticism between the monsters?
>>81479803
>anyone with less than 300 pounds on them is unattractive
tumblr pls go
>>81480475
You post someone who probably botches on their tumblr blog constantly.
>>81480447
Still better than SU. That show is made by a literal Cal Arts reject.
>>81478152
go away nick
>>81480579
Nick is actually doing pretty good right now.
>>81480524
>>81480565
this is kinda sad
>>81480447
>
what the fuck
aren't you supposed to keep off the internet until you pass the english test
>>81480605
Tumblr and CalArts are pretty sad.
>>81480090
Pearl looks straight from a Regular Show episode
>>81480314
lapis water clone jutsu
>>81480138
*better
>>81480635
As are you for always using the same bait and being obvious about it
plus you do this in multiple threads so it's easy to tell it's all by your hand too man
>>81480681
No, worse.
>>81480714
okay matt murdock
>>81480707
>It's only one person who hates CalArts/Tumblr cartoons.
Get real anon.
>>81480741
It's one person who posts that meymey a lot, yes
Glad you agree my nigga.
>>81480737
Even Matt Murdock would be able to see how shit Pearl has become.
>>81480773
care to explain how the design has gotten worse then , helen keller
>>81480643
Everything nowadays looks like they came straight from Regular Show.
>>81480798
The original design looked like an actual cartoon.
Now Pearl looks like a generic moe blob from a third rate anime.
>>81480827
God season 1 was so bad, thank you god for deviating from the monster of the week formula
>>81480771
Tumblr/CalArts cartoons are not a meme; it's a legitimate term in the animation industry.
>>81480850
Season 1 was not bad; the MoTW was perfect for the show until it started to devolve into a soap opera.
>>81480850
Yeah, I'm so glad we moved onto the Barn formula.
>>81480850
>Liking the clusterfuck of drama that the show has been reduced to.
Off yourself.
>>81480856
No its not
>>81480889
>>81480934
Don't know what to say in this case of awful taste,
Sorry you aren't a storyboarder I suppose?
>>81480901
Fucking SU fags I swear; the shit on the first season but will gladly praise the Peridot Show story arc.
>>81480934
>liking season 1
take the noose anon
>>81480962
The original season was exactly throwback to Saturday morning action cartoons. It was this close to being good. Then this happened:
>>81480901
>>81480970
Just say both are bad and stop watching then if you're going to whine.
>>81480984
>liking the Peridot Show
Take the bleach anon.
>>81481016
No; I have a right to whine.
>>81481035
Could care less about the green one, just biding my time till the blue one enters the fray and all becomes one.
>>81481016
>OMG guiz just don't watch it if you're going to complain. Like OMG!
The SU fanbase everyone.
>>81481061
>I want the show to become the Lapis Show
You're what's wrong with nu-SU.
>>81481088
>just say both are bad
swing and a miss
the su hatedom everybody, unable to read since 2014
That's weird. I thought this thread would be about the Powerpuff Girls.
>>81480901
Is the barn formula where SU finally dropped the ball?
>>81481112
Proud to be Blue
>>81481124
Both are bad, but SU fags will never let you say it.
SU fags: shutting down opinions since 2013.
>>81481182
well you can say it, not like I care really
but it's not going to help this thread given how offtopic it is at this point,
>>81481125
>>81481125
SU...PPG...same shit really.
Has the gamer gator episode been comfirmed?
>>81481125
Oh, yeah. I forgot.
>>81481219
Yup and it's going to crossover with SU.
>>81481211
Honestly, mods should just let us have SU hate threads. That way everyone wins.
>>81481242
sauce?
>>81481267
2 months
and then
Armageddon
>>81481302
God Weirdmageddon was so shitty. Also I heard alex killed his ex girlfriend
>>81481302
What's happening in two months? Is SU getting cancelled?
>>81481279
Rebecca Sugar's Tumblr.
>>81481394
what's the rent underneath a boulder
>>81481394
SUMMER OF STEVEN
>>81481442
No SU!
>>81481452
What's that? Are they burning off episodes for cancellation?
>>81474406
Wait, then what is this about? Is this how they're writing her out of the show, with a "vacation"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFRDZznWMZY
>>81478128
[citation needed]
>>81481515
>>81481394
I can't tell if this negro is joking or is just this out of the know
So how was the actual episode? Do you guys have any links to it? Wha at did people think?
>>81481515
They just renewed the show for seasons 4 and 5, despite not having aired 3, so they're doing a terrible job of it.
>>81450588
new are you? there were leaks ages ago and its been shit on in countless threads.
>>81481551
Actually, it's confirmed that they're using this summer to get rid of SU's episodes. They need to make room for the Ben 10 reboot.
>>81478840
But the episode on the bottom is from the same season and I'm pretty sure it's the one DIRECTLY after
This isn't even the first PPG reboot thread were people just talk about something else entirely. It's that fucking bad.
>>81481605
Anon clearly didn't do his research.
>>81481575
They didn't renew it; season two and three were just split up.
>this thread
fucking christ
>>81481738
I know right? SU fags are so jealous of PPG that they took their thread.
>>81480850
>Season 1
>bad
I'm really loving Peridot Barn Universe
>>81481604
>Ben 10 reboot
WHAT
>>81481738
>SU fans invaded it and made it their thread
I like the show but come the fuck on stop talking about SU in every thread
>>81481579
>new are you?
>>81481811
oh you poor child anon
>>81481800
Lauren Zuke ruined the show.
Peridot is the new Felicity Smoak.
The barn was a mistake.
Season 1 was SU's golden age.
Facts.
>>81481817
This. SU needs its own fucking board.
>>81481818
Would you believe me if i said my keyboard is wireless and has a delay and im to lazy to care?
Seriously tho why does no one remember the threads that were already made to talk abut this sacrilege.
>>81481811
You haven't heard?
>>81481912
That was not what I was saying at all
SU fans just need to learn to stop interjecting the show into everything and rising to bait
They are no more harmful than punisher or Batman fags in comic threads
>>81481817
To be fair, the SU haters started it. Hatedoms are twice as cancerous as fandoms.
>>81481839
>>81481978
No, when did they announce this? Whats with all the reboots lately?
>>81482009
There even worse. It's MLP all over again.
>>81482041
It's the 2010s. There's a new wave of nostalgia and companies are cashing in. Remember all the 80s reboots ten years ago?
>>81481912
>>81482050
>I dont like this ! It should have it's own board!!
people said the same thing with homestuck
people said the same thing about adventure time
you're not that bright
>>81482041
They announced the Ben 10 reboot last year along with the official announcement of PPG. It will premiere in America 2017; everyone else will get it this year.
>>81481800
Not since AT has SU crashed this hard. Nothing can redeem it.
>>81482097
This time it's true. SU needs it's own board stat. The future of /co/ depends on it.
>>81482097
Homestuck and AT were never as bad as SU.
>>81482016
No see that is retarded logic
SU as a fandom needs to stop rising to bait and going uber defense mode on obvious bait or even actual hate for the show. Who the fuck cares if some asshole says something bad about a show you like? Don't derail a thread to defend it
>>81482050
try harder and learn to spell
>>81482181
tone down the dramatics you fag
>>81482208
now that's a lie ,you weren't here back in 2011/2010 were you
>>81482219
You have to admit, something has to be done about the SU haters. They're more likely to interject SU into a thread to rile fans and non-fans alike. They're trying to cultivate SU as the new MLP.
>>81482016
The only thing hatedoms affect is the bitch made faggots of a fandom. Cancerous fandom a however spread their shit everywhere.
>>81482236
I was. They were still more reasonable than SU is; they never caused a girl to commit suicide.
>>81481885
Dont juke the Zuke, cuz the Zuke don't fluke.
you fucking pleb
>>81482312
Like hatedoms don't? I can't tell you how many times I go into thread and it gets derailed because someone can't control their hate boner. A hatedom is the same thing as fandom only more autistic; I mean logically if you liked something you'd spread it.
>>81479910
>Given how most of the crew are landwhales
the only fat one was Ian, and he left
>>81482384
Ian was thin compared to everyone else.
>>81482371
So why do you respond?
>>81482371
>logically if you liked something you'd spread it.
until a certain amount of people told you to fuck off.
>>81482334
She turned Peridot into fucking Poochie.
>>81482334
Nice stolen /hsg/ meme
>>81482423
I personally don't but I'm not everyone.
>>81482442
Yes. Which begs the question; why would you spread something you hate?
>>81482526
obviously they're trolling you
>>81482550
I remember when trolling had effort put behind it.
>>81482451
As opposed to Team Rocket?
>>81482016
The SU hatedoms never bullied artists or downrated businesses or harassed the staffs of shows
>>81482577
Team Rocket was good though.
>>81472579
Man she used to be thick now she's ugly.
>>81482603
And neither did the whole SU fandom. A few assholes don't speak for everyone.
>>81482603
The hatedom did use that bullied artist as their matyr though.
The best part about the Bellum things is they could have just given her another good job, or just make her the new mayor. The old mayor can just take a new job, like police chief, or Principal.
>>81482639
So then why do you generalize the hatedom of SU? Even though it's literally a small vocal minority that's almost exclusive to this site?
>>81481242
>>81481279
And even AT.
>>81482572
>muh effort trole
does it truly matter at all at this point? you would reply to the shittiest, cheapest bait in the world, probably with a SU related reaction image, emphasizing on how you're totally TOTALLY not replying to said shit cheap bait.
>>81482713
It's not really a generalization; hatedoms in general do this. There's a difference between just hating something and being part of a hatedom.
And sadly, it's not exclusive to 4chan.
>>81482713
You almost it seem offended.
>>81482834
You ARE offended tho
>>81482776
And?
>>81482834
English please
>>81482868
And just what am I offended by?
>>81482875
forgot your SU reaction image.
>>81481528
With that many vaction days, she'll be gone for years, anon. It's really lame.
>>81482879
My mistake.
>You almost seem offended.
>>81482526
>why would you spread something you hate?
>So you can not like what I don't like
It's called "bonding" anon. It's hum instant.
>Fire hot, tell other humans not to play with it.
>Sex good, more sex with other humans.
>What I do, you do. Monkey see, monkey do.
>>81482915
I just feel like you were going to follow up.
>ITT: Where did all these fucking manlet children come from when fucking SU is spoken.
Seriously, this is more autistic than the MLP, Sonic and FNaF hatebases combined.
>>81458128
In this part of the country?
>>81483059
At least until the next fandom right? We've discussed this.
>>81483059
Think about it; people would rather shitpost about SU than talk about the PPG reboot.
What does that say about PPG?
>>81483143
That it doesn't pander enough as SU
>>81483059
Anon please, SU is so last year. Undertale is the new autistic fanbase of the month.
>>81483162
Did you fucking see the show?
It panders twice as hard as SU supposedly does.
>>81483143
Shit, you're right.
But than again, nuPPG only got like 4 episodes revealed compared to like 2+ seasons.
>>81483162
>doesn't pander enough as SU
This meme again.
>>81483241
At least there'll be a never before seen episode to keep us occupied...God willing.
SU is a bad show
>>81483491
Nu-PPG is a bad reboot.
>>81483666
>>81483637
>>81483491
BETTER THAN SHITVERSE LOL
Also rebecca sugar literally spits on puppies. Check her tumblr
>>81464967
Just like Korra.
>>81450588
So was it good or was it bad?
>>81483698
After spitting on them, Ian gives each puppy a good kick right before Matt sells them to the Chinese.
>>81464967
>He watches tumblr jack unironically
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>81483717
Except the new SJ isn't a sequel. We're going to back to the past with Jack.
>>81483773
Even if you're shitposting that's still not funny.
Promo for The Stayover.
>>81483749
As promised by the writers, it uphends the patriarchy and brings diversity to a while male dominated field.
>it's crap
>>81483873
>A parody of the Hangover
Why not just parody Harry Potter whole you're at it.
>>81483941
>brings diversity to a while male dominated field
aren't the PPG all white though?
>>81483971
Diversity=black, gay, and/or female.
>>81484026
>Western white upper-mid to upper class women
>Oppressed and diverse.
>>81450588
Buttercup sounds like Cartman
>>81483971
http://www.wired.com/2016/04/powerpuff-girls-perfect-timing/
Buttercup has a "fluid gender-identity" according to one of the creators, so she meets diversity quota
>>81484026
don't they just label women as a deviation from th norm by pointing that out?
They should just say they're perfectly normal characters, because being female is completely normal.
>>81484085
Pastebin?
>>81484085
>Buttercup has a "fluid gender-identity" according to one of the creators
Unless Craig said so, this means shit.
>>81484085
>Buttercup has a "fluid gender-identity" according to one of the creators
Source or gtfo
>>81484085
>the "tough girl" in the group has to be a dyke, because you can't be a hetero girl and tough at the same time.
wow
o
w
who keeps making this shit up?
That's like if you have a group of adventure boys, and the healer has to be gay. Like, wtf.
>>81484085
Buttercup is 5. She doesn't posses the capability of understanding gender fluidity.
She is just a tomboy...
>>81484182
This. Fucking this.
>>81484107
>>81484147
>>81484182
Pastebin as requested
http://pastebin.com/TmCiiDQX
The show will spend time exploring Buttercups fight with gender norms and her struggle with being gender fluid in a white male dominated world.
>>81484182
Gotta love how backwards progressiveness is.
>>81484182
Even in the 80s people stayed away from shit like this.
>>81483717
Korra had about 5 writers and ATLA had more than 20.
>>81484277
fuck I think I got an aneurism from just skimming this.
The amount of self-congratulating bullshit is just incredible.
>>81464723
>trans
>>81484277
I...I want to vomit.
>>81484287
>>81484311
>>81484328
>don't believe his lies
>>81484277
>Buttercup being "Gender Fluid"
>Just because she isn't a submissive little bitch princess.
>She's now a "boy" instead of a girl that isn't into all things girly.
>When all other versions of PPG kept her as she was in the original.
This generation fucking sucks. Fuck feminists, we really should have purged them.
>>81484511
Tomboys in general are a dying race.
>>81484277
Is this the kind of people this show is gonna bring?
I don't care if the show turns out to be good or bad, this is unacceptable.
>>81458190
It's Sally Bollywood.
New thread when?
I don't think anybody in this thread actually watched the fucking thing, but the re-run was just on, so:
>Colors are all very bland and backgrounds are too sharp
>Princess moneybucks is still pretty good
>effects for the girls' powertrail is shitty, explosions during mech fight looked like they were from a stock
>Kept repeating the names of things with a whispery tone for emphasis, which felt super out of place
>girls's vas are pretty bland, which is weird since CN has some damn good vocal directors for Bears + SU + TTGO
Entire thing just felt bland. Like a bunch of student's first attempt at making a reboot.
>>81484712
Going to? This is the show they are bringing.
"Armchair scholars have long lauded the Powerpuff Girls as a product of third-wave feminism’s reclamation of femininity and consumerism; a vision of womanhood that celebrates every woman’s right to simultaneously enjoy feminism and arm-wrestle the patriarchy. The reboot promises an even more deliberate engagement with feminist themes."
>>81484726
her character design looks like the indian version of the American Akira spoof.
like, she's indian and named bollywood, and that dot, and robes and stuff. that's like aggressively generic.
>>81484778
isn't it ironic that there are nowadays more "progressive" things than the "bad" things they're trying to beat.
>>81484938
you cant tell in this pic but bubbles VA is literally 12 years old
>>81484582
Again, fuck this generation.
>>81484995
Por que?
>>81484773
>Like a bunch of student's first attempt at making a reboot.
This is exactly what's happening.
>>81474406
FUCK
I
WANT
TO
DIE
