Is Crossed the most violent comic series there is?
I heard there were discussions about a movie adaptation, but seems like it didn't get through? I mean, hardly a surprise even though there is a lot of strange shit in independent film industry already.
>>80980024
I think it's a piece of crap to be honest, it's just mindless gore
more like shittiest comic series there is amirite
>>80980024
>most violent?
most edgy
>>80980475
Just gore porn at worst, even when Ennis is on the job.
Millar's shit isn't as bloody as this, but way edgier.
>>80980024
Probably but I think Fukitor is a close second.
>>80980024
Yes.
I never found a series more disturbing than it. I would rather face one thousand times George Romero zombie apocalypses or the infected from Left 4 Dead than the Crossed.
>>80980229
I can live with some of the gore to set the stage for Spurrier's survivors on the island comic. The webcomic one.
I got into Wish You Were Here, but I hear almost all the other runs of this series are really shitty.
Which ones should I check out after WYWH?
>>80980024
>Forgetting Prison Pit
>>80981373
100 years maybe? the first numbers are good but then *SUDDEN CHANGE OF WRITTERS*
>>80981373
>>80981554
Spurrier hits his stride in his second Crossed+100 arc so far.
He just didn't really seem like he knew what to do after Moore.
>>80980229
crossed is GOAT
>>80981547
>>80980761
Not in the same leauge as Crossed since those are gorey for comedic effect.
>>80980024
Mostread allof the Crossed i've read are shit-tier.
The art isn't much, the story is always crap like the bad kind of z series, with generic / unlikable characters.
they are trying way too hard to be choking / over the top with a mix of gore and rape but whithout any stakes and actual goal, so it's quite boring fast.
It is possible to build a good edgy rape-murder universe but this isn't the case here. It's edgy to be edgy.
Like a bad mix of unsauceable porn, unlaughable humor and boring gore.gore's supposed ta always be fun ye arseholes
They tried to refresh the zombie trend but they took all the worst poorly-written parts and basicaly just add rape on it.The psycho arc could have been good if they removed the cuck part and actualy tried to find an ending
>>80980209
It was supposed to be a low-budget internet thing (founded by a kickstarter maybe?) written and directed by Ennis himself.
>>80984176
>He thinks Crossed isn't a comedy
>>80984783
I really can't think of a Crossed arc that is that thoroughly un-self aware.
Not that that excuses the variety of exectuions
It really solidifies just how shitty the Avatar house style is, good god I hate it.
>>80984120
this looks cool, whats the story in this one ?
>>80985699
The covers rarely have anything to do with the storylines.
Anyway, that cover is for an arc where half of it is set in the present, where a group are trying to uncover a possible origin for the Crossed, and the rest is set in the B.C.-era, which ties into the search taking place in the present day portion.
>>80980024
Not by a long shot. It tries, bless its little heart, it tries so hard, but it's gotten so bland over the years that it's just formulaic at this point.
The latest Gage arc is nothing but Quisling, with a wee bit of a twist to it. They really should've stopped after the first few Badlands arc and written it off for good.
Anything by Spurrier is pretty good, though, especially American Wasteland with the hippie, the biker, and the chick.
>>80985982
Yeah, but it shits itself in the end when it's revealed that:the BC part was just written by the Crossed up professor for shits and giggles.
>>80984935
Avatar has a house style? I've seen like three different artists whose styles are nothing approaching each other.
Jacen Burrows.
Juan Jose Ryp.
Michael DiPascale.
If there's a common style between the three of them, I haven't found it.
>>80984120
garbage of all time? i agree
>>80985985
Well, with Ennis writing a (supposedly) final arc for himself there's not much more they can do.
Also, they're going to be going Monthly for Ennis' next arc so instead of getting the solicits this month...we'll have to wait until April
>>80986016
The way I took it, there are three possible conclusions that can be drawn.
*None of it was real, and the professor was simply a crackpot whose delusions worsened after he became Crossed.
*The Blood Men may have existed, but the rest was pure fiction.
*It was all real, and the professor is one of those "special" Crossed like Patient Zero who could see the past, which he transcribed as best he could (the "monster Gods" manifesting was probably just the volcano blowing up and the Blood Men's mutilated captives and animals running loose, for example).
>>80986079
Oh god, Ennis' last forays into Crossed have been anything but stellar. The Red Line was like the Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance of Crossed: good idea, botched execution that went nowhere. And his own Crossed webcomics was okay, but it did nothing for me. The main character is and was an asshole. Whoopdeedoo.
The only bad thing about having to wait until April is that I won't be seeing the latest issue of Providence until then.
>>80986129
Yeah, the last point is more than likely the most possible one, in-universe, but I hate the idea of the Crossed being borderline supernatural. Makes them seem like a cheat, instead of just rage/hate zombies which is what made them scary to begin with: that it was all organic.
>>80986164
Yeah, but man we're going right into the DREAM CYCLE
>>80986220
Got no clue what to expect, but I read the Facts website for all the shit I don't understand. Yes, I am a pleb to the highest extreme.
>>80985982
ah okay
can i have some cool crossed covers ?
>>80985985
>The latest Gage arc is nothing but Quisling, with a wee bit of a twist to it.
Well, we're only two issues in, but yeah, so far it feels like a rehash of Quisling.
It'll still likely be better than the last three arcs, though. The Lesser of 2 Evils was generic and forgettable, Shrink was awkward (not in a good way) and mediocre at best, and Anti-Crossed collapsed into hilarious unintended self-parody.
>>80986251
Dream Cycle is where Lovecraft really let loose with his predilection toward fantasy.
Very fun and very unappreciated.
>>80986252
If you've seen one, you've seen 'em all.
>>80986164
There's about a handful of moments in the Patient Zero arc, the first three issues I still think are pretty solid and the last pages are kinda chilling...but man it was 9 issues of plodding nothing.
I do think that Ennis went with the lesser evil with explaining the virus though. Gaia Theory is less dumb.
>>80986252
http://www.comcav.net/collections/crossed-badlands
>>80986261
True, only 2 issues, and I'm hoping Gage takes Smoky into what would eventually lead into 100+ down the road, but other than that, I'm not expecting much.
As for the arcs you just named, I literally forgot what they were about until you mentioned them. Shrink had such great potential to explore the pysche of a more developed Crossed. Instead it all devolved into "he touched my anus when I was a kid, so I'm a criminal, wanna fuck".
>>80986291
If it's anything like his usual writing, I'll be less than thrilled. I'm more of a character person, and his characters are stiff and lifeless.
>>80986382
It's apparently going to the last (chronologically the middle) part of his Four Soldiers trilogy.
Given what little we found out about their characters in the Patient Zero arc...I think we're going to see Paddy and Taft fail to save their families.
And yeah his characters are really stiff, the most lively he's done in the franchise was the first mini
>>80986355
>9 issues
Goddamn, I could've sworn it was like 4 or 5 with how little happened in it. In all reality, it was just Ennis writing a political thriller. And that's all fine and dandy, but I expect titties, blood, gore, and a bit of plot in my Crossed. Not geo-political tension.
>>80984176
They're still super violent, I don't think being comedic should discount them
>>80986449
As a political thriller it has a tad more going for it, but not much, since all of it boils down to is Gordon Brown waffling on any decision he has to make.
>>80986437
Actually, the character comment was directed at Lovecraft's writing ability, not Ennis'. His characters are okay in some stories, boring in others. Caliban was nothing but the poor man's Alien, for example.
>>80986481
It also didn't help that I knew and still know nothing of 2008-era British politics.
Crossed is good when it's not being illustrated by whoever this is >>80984120
>>80986507
Oh?
Well then, it is safe to say that Randolph Carter (the nominal protagonist of the Dream Cycle) is one of Lovecraft's less stiff characters.
He's kinda like Lovecraft if he tried to be Indiana Jones....but was still Lovecraft at heart.
And agreed.
it was dated.
>>80986555
I only ever read The Statement Of that concerned Carter. Wasn't bad, but if I were his editor, my one change would be to make the voice at the end of the cord not be so eloquent to increase the horror factor.
>>80986527
The guy uses too much shadow and not very well, but his art looks much better in black and white.
Code Pru, for instance, looks phenomenal, and reminds me of the Italian comics like Alan Ford or Dylan Dog.
>>80986305
>>80986367
thanks
>>80986611
Agreed.
Although nice that you read that. I have this insane theory that Providence as a whole is centered around "The Statement Of"
>>80986382
Shrink didn't grab me until they revealed that the infected sibling wouldn't say or do anything unless his brother was alone on the other side of the door.
But then it lost whatever focus it had and became another one of the author's weird tracts on omega males, or whatever the fuck he was aiming for.
>>80980024
i think crossed needs more rape
>>80980229
The Ennis stuff is gold; everything else completely misses the point and just just gore. Even overall quality goes out the window, with characters holding different weapons from panel to panel and plotlines that make zero sense.
>>80986714
Care to go into more detail with that theory? I'm interested.
>>80986716
I think he was aiming for "omega males suck, be they crossed or not". Because when you look at Max, you can only think "ALPHA MALE".
>>80986527
>Crossed is good
that art is technically good too, just bogged down by being attached to this edgy shitfest. i like her robe.
>>80984721
Probably the only way an adaptation of Crossed, or at least an uncompromised one, could come about is if it the story was a really, REALLY economic one, since no one with deep pockets would be willing to gamble on something that unsavory, at least not after disasters like Murder-Set-Pieces.
>>80980894
What about necromorphs?
>>80986898
>story was a really, REALLY economic one
Shoot it inna woods, the characters are migrating, and they're constantly on edge from fearing of running into the Crossed. They only meet one or two along the way, but each fights like a beast and dwindles their numbers.
At the end, you hire a CGI guy, give him a lot of cash to put in a shit ton of Crossed into a valley as the character stumble onto it, and the Crossed see them.
FIN
It can be anywhere between 20-40 minutes long, depending.
>>80986870
Well, it mainly sprung from the idea that Moore is using characters not as their literary counterparts...but as inspiration for those characters.
Then came the hints that Robert Black is meant to do something important with Lovecraft, who isthis Redeemer, with the caveat that Blackdoesn't live to write the booksince Lovecraft becomes the writer.
So looking at Black, well, he's a jewish, homosexual writer who is important to Lovecraft. All attributes that describe one of HP's real life best friends, Samuel Loveman.
The inspiration for Harley Warren of "The Statement Of", as Carter was based on Lovecraft himself.
And, as we all know, Harley Warren is famous for dying.
>>80986305
So, anyone else happy to see Smokey back?
>>80987072
Well fuck me, you're right.Carver will diein issue 9 or 10 because issues 11-12 will take place in some time period after Lovecraft's life, IIRC. So Carter will probably be using the pseudonym H. P. Lovecraft or something.
>>80987118
Only when he's speaking and thinking, instead of killing.
>>80987118
I have to agree that it is a rehash so far, but it is a far sight better than Bemis' laughable attempts at wry metacommentary
>>80987145
Well, that is a leap I didn't really take at all haha.
How do you figure that?
I sort of meant that while Carter may exist in Providence's universe, that Lovecraft could still fulfill the role in "Statement" as the climax.
And the monster who kills Warren/Black is VERY hinted to beJohnny Carcosa
>>80987145
I meanRobert, damn it.
>>80987190
I made a fuckup in the names. >>80987195Robert dies, Carter livesin issue 10, while the latter goes on to write the HP stories, and issues 11-12 take place in modern times.
Although, now that you mentioned it, Carter could probably make the statement to Lovecraft and give HPL Robert's commonplace book to draw upon.
Where is that hinted at?
>>80987118
Optimistic.
We'll see how things work out.
>>80987340
So far, this guy is the best artist they had on. He might be stylized, but I think it fits the gore porn setting a lot better.
>>80987269
I get what you mean now haha.
I still think that would be too complicated, having Carter use HP's name as a psuedonym, but it would be a good twist.
And it's been hinted at ever since Dunwich.
The Stella Sapiente are an analogue for Lovecraft's "Church of Starry Wisdom", who use their idol the Shining Trapezohedron to get the Haunter in the Dark to do their dirty work.
We also know that this idol exists because we've seen it as the meteor, and that they can use it since that's how Whately's wife was killed.
The Haunter in the Dark is one of the aliases for Nyarlathotep, aka Johnny Carcosa.
And as Robert Black gets deeper into his investigation on the Stell Saps...I don't think they'll like it.
>>80987381
Jesus, this is why I like the Facts website. I didn't even know that Johnny is Nyarlahotep. Although I still can't take Johnny seriously due to how the protagonist in the courtyard described his voice. I imagine it as a mixture of Snagglepuss and the Screechy-voiced Teen from the Simpsons.
>>80987490
Johnny was, like, the only part about the Courtyard/Neonomicon that I thought was sorta worth it...and he really prefigured where Moore would take the other "tribes" of monsters/abominations.
Just normal folk.
And yeah the facts website is great, but there's plenty of leg work to be done.
Like one of the things that Black saw in the Necronomicon was a description of a "fancy dressed man with slick black hair whose name was _ _ _ _ THOTEP" (paraphrasing).
>>80987553
Hm. I can see why Moore would be proud of Providence. There's always something more to it than one thinks. Although I doubt it'll be as lauded as Watchmen. Mainly because it has no shiny caped people.
>>80987377
I do agree with the person above defending the style of Code Pru.
In color it can come off too greasy, but in some arcs like the Fatal Englishman...it has a lot of charming affectations.
>>80987596
Yeah, final arc begins in June. Hope it sticks the landing.
>>80987675
That person being me as well. The real issue the artist of Fatal Englishman/Code Pru has is that he likes to insert a lot of detail into everything, but never using line weight properly. The things that are closest or should stick out aren't nearly as heavy as the things that aren't important.
>>80987729
Oh, definitely.
It has a sloppy quality that makes it hard to really concern yourself with - but there's stuff like a Crossed getting head-shot'd and that blood spray becoming the panels.
Just hits a groove.
>>80987766
He does the same with grass, tentacles, candle smoke and so on. Say what you will about the guy, but he is devoted to his work. And in the end the industry only cares if you can deliver your work on time.
>>80987799
Well, since solicts are out...let's do the "Big Three" that concern this thread.
>Crossed Badlands #99
>Smokey the alpha-Crossed has seen the future. He envisions a civilization based upon his particular visions of widespread cruelty and horror. And now he intends to see that masterwork of misery paint the world in blood.
>>80987968
His civilization wouldn't last for half a century, if that.
>>80988009
He doesn't have the vision
>Crossed + 100 #17
>Simon Spurrier barrels towards the ultimate confrontation in this penultimate issue of his startlingly original tale taking Alan Moore’s Crossed +100 characters. The master plan of the Crossed is starting to take shape. Are we seeing the careful machinations of a prophet long dead unfold or is this a true step forward in the bloodthirsty Crossed’s evolution? Future Taylor uncovers the hidden truth behind the horror as this powerful tale continues to develop
I don't think there's going to be a fourth arc.
>>80988034
He doesn't have the brains is the problem. To make a civilization thrive, one needs to have safety and liberty, hence why the west is much better in that respect than the middle east, or the east. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>>80987968
>That Crossed wielding a mop.
I kinda feel sorry for him.
Forgot the cover.
>>80988099
And he doesn't really know how to seperate the berserker crossed in the same way that Saltman did.
HORSE.
>>80988166
Exactly. At best, Smokey's the equivalent of a street gang leader.
House seems to be the titular "Shunned House".
A major character was Etienne Roulet, who Moore also used as the basis for the Thing on the Doorstep segment of Providence.
Should be fun.
>Providence #9
>The world of H.P. Lovecraft has begun to invade the mind of Robert Black. His quest began as project to write a book but the more he is exposed to these horrors the closer to the edge of insanity he is pushed. The cracks in the world seem to be widening as he nears some inexplicable crescendo of horror.
>>80988165
It's the Toxic Avenger.
>>80988412
Ha, I think you're right.
>>80987968
The crossover with Mercury Heat is also still going on.
Crossed is gory, violent and cruel
but there are japanese shit that's worst
really, you don't want to go there
gory but kinda casual manga
Franken Fran
Helen ESP
Love in the Hell
check them out
I stopped reading after Patient Zero arc
what did I miss? where should I retake Crossed?
the webcomic is good
>>80989815
Really...nothing much at all.
You should get on Crossed +100 by Moore (maybe Spurrier, but it's a bit shaky)
and then Smokey's Return
>>80986527
>Caceres is the worst Crossed artist
Die in a fire.
If it's not, it's probably pretty close. I'm surprised it's still running. Seemed fairly one note after the original arc.
I didn't bother to read the rest of the Fatal Englishman since by that time it was pretty clear from the previous arcs by the end everyone would be dead or infected and I didn't care to see that happen to a bunch of kids.
Quisling had a few genuine creepy moments, but suffered from the fact the professor was like a lot of the previous humans in the Crossed world-an unsympathetic piece of shit.
And I bailed for good with the biker, hippie, Mexican woman arc, since I figured it would end the way it did when I checked out a Crossed thread sometime later and saw, that yes indeed it ended the way I thought it would, though one dead wasn't shown quite as gory as I thought it would be.
Bailed on the webcomic around the time they find the gun safe in that store and the flashbacks has the seem to be going towards the gamekeeper raping the nun.
Doesn't look like I'm actually missing anything.
>>80984783
Well, not in the sense like Prion Pit and Fukitor are comedies anyway.
